Maybe some Republicans aren't so blind

[nx6d]

I wonder how long it will take the administration's spin machine and their media allies to slam this guy.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/16/us.iraqresolution/index.html

Dave WX7B

[al2i]

Sigh. The situation grows uglier every day doesn't it? 12,000 wounded. That is a lot of hurt GIs.

73,
Dave/al2i

[w5klb]

I didn't know there were that many "Liberal Republicans" out there. Hmmm... I learned something new today.

As bad as the war in Iraq is, let's go by the numbers according to the REAL history (not the rewritten liberal version).

During Vietnam we had over 58,000 troops killed and missing in action. You can read all their names on The Wall in Washingtion DC. And under what party's "leadership" did this take place? That's right... the Democrats.

During Korea we had 33,689 troops killed. And under what party's "leadership" did this take takes place? Huh?... A little louder.... ? Right again. The Democrats.

See what I mean? The liberals are so quick to point out that those "Evil Conservatives" are killing our troops in Iraq. To that I would like to give the liberals the "purple finger" but the Iraqis have already beat me to it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

From the article that Mr. Dave, the "unabashedly liberal" from 6 land (with a 7 call) gives us:

"We want our troops to return home soon. The best way to get our troops home and to honor them is to compleat the mission in Iraq. -Steve McClellan, White House Press Secreatary.

What Mr.Dave leaves out is that his Democratic Presidential Candidate John Kerry is for finishing the job in Iraq. Hmmm... how quickly he forgets that.

I undestand that the loss of just one life in Iraq is one too many especially if was a loved one, but we must finish this. I would hate to see all the good work that our troops have been doing over there go for naught and knowing that they died in vain.

I pray our troops come home quickly and safely.

From a PROUD "Evil Conservative."

[w0aew]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ June 17 2005,06:49)]I undestand that the lost of just one life in Iraq is one too many especially if was a loved one, but we must finish this. I would hate to see all the good work that our troops have doing over there go for naught and knowing that they died in vain.
At work, we know when we have finished a project by assessing the results and comparing them to the predicted results in our plan's analysis section.

So, how will the US know when it has finished this Iraqi "project"?


Inquiring minds want to know!

[KG4ZQZ]

- funny how none in the liberal camp insisted on UN intervention when Hussein was gassing his own people and killing hundreds of thousands...

- funny how none in the liberal camp insisted on US intervention when millions were being killed by Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot (in which libs demanded NO intervention), Idi Amin, Yakubu Gowon, or Hadji Suharto...

- no, those millions upon millions of souls are lost because of the effette snobbery of those who are so quick to criticize the sacrifices our *volunteers* are making in an effort to make the world a better place...

- no, libs would let the murder, subjugation, and humiliation of women continue in the Middle East... they would encourage raciscm, discrimination, and slavery by theocratic fundamentalist Muslim states...

- they would step aside and ignore those cries for freedom so far away - all the while gloating in their self-serving holier-than-thou attitude on what is right and what is not in their twisted world...

- you see, in the liberal world, it is OK to allow Web browsing for porn in public library computers... it is OK to encourage display of Gay Pride Day posters in schools...

- in the liberal world, it is NOT OK to use Santa Claus... it is NOT OK to foster Judeo-Christian beliefs or public prayer...

- in the liberal world, it is NOT OK to do the Pledge of Allegiance...

- in the liberal world, the words "In God We Trust" is something to be erased from the public eye and on our coinage...

- and people like Dick[head] Durbin make me want to puke... Durbin is a seditionist and is giving aid the enemy... i hope he gets what he deserves...

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KG4ZQZ @ June 17 2005,07:17)]- and people like Dick[head] Durbin make me want to puke... Durbin is a seditionist and is giving aid the enemy... i hope he gets what he deserves...
You seem very angry. I am angry about some of the listed items as well, but I am not sure that my anger would be properly placed on the shoulders of Dick Durbin.

I was young, but when anti-war protesters started calling for us to get out of Vietnam I got very angry. "They just don't get it!", I thought, "This comforts the enemy!" I thought this for years.

I blamed them for years afterwards. I blamed our loss in Vietnam to the lack of patriotic support for the war. But reflecting back to W5KLB's comments, "During Vietnam we had over 58,000 troops killed and missing in action." That hardly seems like a lack of patriotic support.

I certainly hope that we are not in a vaguely Vietnam scenario. That war kept getting harder and we kept thinking that we needed just a little more sacrifice in order to prevail. But all of those $Billions wasted on nation-building and all of those mangled young lives and bodies did not buy us one wit of national honor.

So I don't believe that Dick Durbin is anti-American. I think he loves his country strongly enough to worry about the future instead of partisan power struggles. I think it is time to stop bashing and hating each other, and instead to start talking rationally about what is best for America.

Even if he is wrong about this one, what exactly does Dick Durbin deserve for caring?

73,
Dave/al2i

[w0aew]

Maybe ZQZ could put his anger where his mouth is and enlist to save the world for democracy.

Again!



http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 17 2005,08:53)]So, how will the US know when it has finished this Iraqi "project"?


Inquiring minds want to know!
When they have the necessary forces to combat the insurgents, and their democracy has a strong footing. Based on history this can be done within a 5 year period.

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ June 17 2005,06:49)]I didn't know there were that many "Liberal Republicans" out there. Hmmm... I learned something new today.

As bad as the war in Iraq is, let's go by the numbers according to the REAL history (not the rewritten liberal version).

During Vietnam we had over 58,000 troops killed and missing in action. You can read all their names on The Wall in Washingtion DC. And under what party's "leadership" did this take place? That's right... the Democrats.
The point I have with all of this is that WHATEVER party is residing at Pennsylvania Avenue, they all seem NOT to have ever been in a war themselves nor do they ask veterans if the war is "just and good".

It's pretty easy to call a war "just and good" when you're sending someone else's children to fight it. And that isn't just for the Bush family, that's for ALL the politicos and corporate leaders of this country that have reaped some sort of gain from this ridiculous charade.

Iraq was a war that was going to have to be fought. But not then and certainly not now. The reasoning given was fabricated, the planning was pathetic and the race is on to see who the reconstruction will ruin first; the middle east or the US.

What party is to blame for what wars is a pointless discussion. If the war didn't start by an enemy dropping bombs on the US or its allies, then the war is pointless. And please, don't even try to justify Iraq with September 11th; that has been completely debunked.

[W5MJL]

I think the point is we are there regardless of whether you think we should be there or not. #Now if you want to get out of the war as quickly as possible do you think it is prudent to advertise that we are tired of the war? #If you were a member of the opposing force, do you think you might have some incentive to keep going if you felt Americans were tiring of the war? #I know it would keep me going. #If we showed a unified effort that we will NEVER leave until the job is done, we would actually SAVE lives.

This is why I hate the press during war. They never look at what is happening that is good, they only look at the rising body count, or the human interest stories in the street showing the perils of war.

If we put a time limit on how long we will be in Iraq there will not only be more US soldiers killed, but the 1700 that have died will have died in vain.

[wa4brl]

AL2I: Reading down through this thread I was moved enough to post my opinions, but I find that you have done so with more eloquence than I would have mustered. Thank you for your calm, reasonable thoughts.

W5KLB: Please don't characterize yourself and other conservatives as "evil", even in jest. I happen to disagree with your position, but so long as you argue from a position of knowledge and reason, I respect and listen to your views. Reasonable people can and will disagree. There's nothing evil in that. Respectful debate is an opportunity for all sides to learn. We all posess some knowledge; we can only hope to acquire enough to mold into wisdom.

[w5klb]

NCR sez:

Quote[/b] ]The point I have with all of this is that WHATEVER party is residing at Pennsylvania Avenue, they all seem NOT to have ever been in a war themselves nor do they ask veterans if the war is "just and good".
Here's some more REAL history and, again, it's not the rewritten liberal version. Sorry:

While it it is true the person that is now serving in The White House has never seen combat duty, it is not true that he didn't or did not want to serve. He voluteered to go to Vietnan while serving in the Air National Guard however, his Commanding Officer turned his request down. Why? The model aircraft he was flying was old and outdated and they didn't want to train him for the "new" F-4 Phantom Jets. Once again I "apolize" for giving the TRUE facts, but I am sure you'll give over it.

Here's another fact: I am a US Navy Veteran, and President Bush HAS MY BLESSING and SUPPORT on this. The MAJORITY of Veterans of BOTH PARTIES give him their blessing and support. Would you like to come and meet some?

NCR gives us another "good one":

Quote[/b] ]It's pretty easy to call a war "just and good" when you're sending someone else's children to fight it.#
Hey, those "children" are MEN and WOMEN and are ALL VOLUNTEERS! They WANTED to serve. Thank you for showing your REAL support for these hero warriors.

Heres another "good one" from NCR:

Quote[/b] ]Iraq was a war that was going to have to be fought. #But not then and certainly not now.
So, I suppose, if our forgien policy was left up to you, you would have waited until we were all speaking Arabic, and pledging our allegiance to a different flag. Typical of liberals to bury their head in the sand and pray (ooops... sorry) nothing happens.#

NCR "enlightens" us with this:

Quote[/b] ]The reasoning given was fabricated, the planning was pathetic and the race is on to see who the reconstruction will ruin first; the middle east or the US.
Yeah that "Evil Conservative" George Bush. How dare he send them thar troops o'vare #so that them thar "Camel Jockies" could get rid of that thar Suedamn Insane "rag head" #who killed, raped, and imprison his own people, including child'n, for going again his rule. That ol Dick Cheney is evil also. He still has ties to that thar Halyburton. He is jest in it for the oil. They all be liars (including the ENTIRE UN SECURITY COUNSEL).<snicker>

Some people's misguided beliefs... (sigh)

Quote[/b] ]What party is to blame for what wars is a pointless discussion. #If the war didn't start by an enemy dropping bombs on the US or its allies, then the war is pointless. #And please, don't even try to justify Iraq with September 11th; that has been completely debunked.
But I didn't start nor create this thread. Your fellow liberal from 6 land (with a 7 call) did.

Good try. No Cigar.

[kf6rdn]

Some people get ALL the koolaid.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ June 17 2005,08:55)]W5KLB: #Please don't characterize yourself and other conservatives as "evil", even in jest. #I happen to disagree with your position, but so long as you argue from a position of knowledge and reason, I respect and listen to your views. #Reasonable people can and will disagree. #There's nothing evil in that. #Respectful debate is an opportunity for all sides to learn. #We all posess some knowledge; we can only hope to acquire enough to mold into wisdom.
But you don't understand: Most liberals think that ALL conservative are "evil". Didn't you ever read or see Micheal Moore(on)'s books or films? According to him, Satan hasn't got a thing on us (except his sister... I know this because I was married to her at one time #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ).

Lighten up. I don't mind being a PROUD "Evil Conservate". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 17 2005,09:42)]Some people get ALL the koolaid.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Yeah, but I'll share. Want some? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] ]
Here's some more REAL history and, again, it's not the rewritten liberal version. Sorry:

While it it is true the person that is now serving in The White House has never seen combat duty, it is not true that he didn't or did not want to serve. He voluteered to go to Vietnan while serving in the Air National Guard however, his Commanding Officer turned his request down. Why? The model aircraft he was flying was old and outdated and they didn't want to train him for the "new" F-4 Phantom Jets. Once again I "apolize" for giving the TRUE facts, but I am sure you'll give over it.

Here's another fact: I am a US Navy Veteran, and President Bush HAS MY BLESSING and SUPPORT on this. The MAJORITY of Veterans of BOTH PARTIES give him their blessing and support. Would you like to come and meet some?


A non-partisan post I make and it's still taken as some leftist propaganda.

Bush never had a gun fired at him, he never slung it out in the trenches and he never went days without food or sleep hunting an enemy. That, in my opinion, makes him rather unqualified to be making some of the decisions he's making. I'm surprised his old man didn't take him aside and set him straight.

Quote[/b] ]
Here's another fact: I am a US Navy Veteran, and President Bush HAS MY BLESSING and SUPPORT on this. The MAJORITY of Veterans of BOTH PARTIES give him their blessing and support. Would you like to come and meet some?


And in what war did you fight? My father in-law, veteran of WWII, along with several OT's in amateur radio that were on the front lines, all say this war should never have happened. I have your opinion, and I have half a dozen more that are contrary.

Quote[/b] ]
Hey, those "children" are MEN and WOMEN and are ALL VOLUNTEERS! They WANTED to serve. Thank you for showing your REAL support for these hero warriors.


It has nothing to do with support. Read this part again - "It's very easy to call a war just and good when you're sending someone else's children to fight it". Contrary to what you may think, I can support the troops and still be against the war. I know the concept escapes your narrow minded point of view, but it's possible.

It's possible because I have friends and relatives fighting there, right now. I have a old neighbor that lost a son there - he used to come over and talk to me when I was putting up antennas in the backyard. He's now dead.

Quote[/b] ]
So, I suppose, if our forgien policy was left up to you, you would have waited until we were all speaking Arabic, and pledging our allegiance to a different flag. Typical of liberals to bury their head in the sand and pray (ooops... sorry) nothing happens.


Hyperbole, and very far fetched. Iraq wasn't going to show up on the shores of the east coast and start an invasion. Not even with the help of Syria, Iran and North Korea. If this is your only argument for the war, you're delusional.


Quote[/b] ]
Yeah that "Evil Conservative" George Bush. How dare he send them thar troops o'vare so that them thar "Camel Jockies" could get rid of that thar Suedamn Insane "rag head" who killed, raped, and imprison his own people, including child'n, for going again his rule. That ol Dick Cheney is evil also. He still has ties to that thar Halyburton. He is jest in it for the oil. They all be liars (including the ENTIRE UN SECURITY COUNSEL).<snicker>


Actually the initial argument was weapons of mass destruction. Then it moved onto something else. Then something else, and finally "well, he was a bad guy anyway".

If you want to tow the line for Bush and his cronies, that's your right and I've learned that you can't even hold a rational discussion with Bush apologists (as evidenced by your post). It's easy to be for a war, especially when the biggest hazard you face is hang-nails from banging on your keyboard at QRZ.com. You wanna impress me? Suit-up and report for active duty in the middle-east, sailor. Otherwise, it's all noise.

Quote[/b] ]
But I didn't start nor create this thread. Your fellow liberal from 6 land (with a 7 call) did.


Taken from the Rush Limbaugh guide to political vernacular; if you don't like something someone says, just call them a liberal. As if that immediately discredits anything they say without actually having to THINK of something to say yourself. Wise move, I'd hate to think you'd waste energy on coming up with original, thoughtful and relevant remarks.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ June 17 2005,10:10)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 17 2005,09:42)]Some people get ALL the koolaid.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Yeah, but I'll share. Want some? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Hell yeah, after the week I have had.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 17 2005,11:14)]Taken from the Rush Limbaugh guide to political vernacular; if you don't like something someone says, just call them a liberal. #As if that immediately discredits anything they say without actually having to THINK of something to say yourself. #Wise move, I'd hate to think you'd waste energy on coming up with original, thoughtful and relevant remarks.
I'm pretty middle of the road, but I do get tired of that, "they, them, their" usually attached to blame, the right tends to do this, when I've listened to Rush (and turned the radio off during the first 45 seconds after about 15 "they"s)

On the other hand, a left handed radio station cropped up (on the right hand side of the dial heh) started doing the same crap..

So how about, instead of "they" one looks at an individual, and his decsions they have made, ASIDE from party lines?

What in hell am I doing here, I hate politics.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K0RGR]

Last night, only two of the news agencies, CNN and PBS carried stories about the Downing Street Memo and the 7 new memos recently leaked to the British press. This Congressman who's turned on Bush recently said that he did so after seeing the Downing Street Memo. He is no liberal!

PBS did a marvelous job on the story - the best I've seen yet. They are really trying to do a good job of presenting balanced , but in-depth news reporting. They had two former CIA agents, one of them is a member of the group protesting over these documents, and the other was a spokeman for the neo-con American Enterprise Institute. They also presented the full statements from Tony Blair and President Bush about the documents.

The neo-con was given every possible opportunity to refute the memo, and I was certainly not impressed with his arguments. In the end, his conclusion was "perhaps the head of the U.S. CIA, his counterpart in England, Condoleeza Rice, and the President's entire cabinet were misinformed". If all the king's horses and all the king's men thought we were at war, I think we were at war.

Now, after reading these 8 memos, it is absolutely clear that the entire justification for the Iraq war was a hoax - a fabrication cooked up to justify an invasion that was set in place immediately after 9/11. An invasion our British allies thought was a violation of International Law. Further, there was little or no planning for the aftermath of the invasion. I don't believe that a reasonable person can reach any other conclusion, nor can the President and Mr. Blair continue to deny it .

So, should we pull out of Iraq?

No, in fact, we will probably have to commit far more troops in order to bring about peace if the rest of the Arab world, particularly our loyal Saudi allies, keep sending freedom fighters by the busload to blow themselves up and kill civilians by the hundreds. Otherwise, we'll have created a far worse situation than we had before. With these 'freedom fighters' popping up all the time, you have to wonder if we haven't already done so.

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 17 2005,13:24)]So how about, instead of "they" one looks at an individual, and his decsions they have made, ASIDE from party lines?

What in hell am I doing here, I hate politics.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Excellent point, and I am also tired of politics. There is never a discussion. Whatever comes out of a liberal's mouth is a lie to a conservative, and vice versa. That's why I think it's important to sometimes try to hijack the thread. Hey, how about than Anne Coulter? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ June 17 2005,11:42)]Hey, how about than Anne Coulter? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Dunno, does she have any dachsunds?
(Or datsun?) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ June 17 2005,08:19)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 17 2005,08:53)]So, how will the US know when it has finished this Iraqi "project"?


Inquiring minds want to know!
When they have the necessary forces to combat the insurgents, and their democracy has a strong footing. #Based on history this can be done within a 5 year period.
Based on our history in vietnam this can never be done.

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ June 17 2005,14:29)]Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ June 17 2005,08:19)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 17 2005,08:53)]So, how will the US know when it has finished this Iraqi "project"?


Inquiring minds want to know!
When they have the necessary forces to combat the insurgents, and their democracy has a strong footing. #Based on history this can be done within a 5 year period.
Based on our history in vietnam this can never be done.
You are correct. That is because of all of what you call "dissent". It didn't take long for the North Vietnamese to realize that time was on their side.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ June 17 2005,12:32)]Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ June 17 2005,14:29)]Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ June 17 2005,08:19)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 17 2005,08:53)]So, how will the US know when it has finished this Iraqi "project"?


Inquiring minds want to know!
When they have the necessary forces to combat the insurgents, and their democracy has a strong footing. #Based on history this can be done within a 5 year period.
Based on our history in vietnam this can never be done.
You are correct. #That is because of all of what you call "dissent". #It didn't take long for the North Vietnamese to realize that time was on their side.
I wonder how many Iraquis think that time is on their side too.

[W5MJL]

With the current polls being shoved down everyone's throats I am sure the insurgents are quite pleased.

[w0aew]

But all this begs the question of why we are there to begin with. After all, Iran has a democracy (they just finished with an election), so is our purpose to make Iraq a democracy like Iran?

As far as insurgents go, where were they when Saddam was in charge?


Inquiring minds are still inquiring!

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 17 2005,14:55)]But all this begs the question of why we are there to begin with. After all, Iran has a democracy (they just finished with an election), so is our purpose to make Iraq a democracy like Iran?

As far as insurgents go, where were they when Saddam was in charge?


Inquiring minds are still inquiring!
It doesn't matter why we are there. We are there.

The insurgents were there along the iranian border. Who do you think he's been killing all of these years? Almost all of the mass graves contain them.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ June 17 2005,12:32)]Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ June 17 2005,14:29)]Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ June 17 2005,08:19)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 17 2005,08:53)]So, how will the US know when it has finished this Iraqi "project"?


Inquiring minds want to know!
When they have the necessary forces to combat the insurgents, and their democracy has a strong footing. #Based on history this can be done within a 5 year period.
Based on our history in vietnam this can never be done.
You are correct. #That is because of all of what you call "dissent". #It didn't take long for the North Vietnamese to realize that time was on their side.
Your comments about dissent equals hatred suggest a closed mind. Are you channeling Joe McCarthy or just being a sock puppet for neocon speak?

[W5MJL]

nope, just stating the obvious. #I look at things from more than one perspective. #You have to know what gives fuel to your enemy, and what takes it away. #It's pretty simple actually.

[wd0ct]

fap: "This is why I hate the press during war. They never look at what is happening that is good, they only look at the rising body count, or the human interest stories in the street showing the perils of war.

If we put a time limit on how long we will be in Iraq there will not only be more US soldiers killed, but the 1700 that have died will have died in vain."

What is good about war?

Your time limit - died in vain comment is the same old crap we heard during the vietnam war.

Most of the neocons on this forum have given up on these tired old red herring arguements because they are such transparent folly.

[W5MJL]

You can put any label you want on me, but I spoke the truth. They were my own thoughts, not anyone elses.

If you don't believe that information about how people are getting disgusted with a war fuels the enemy to fight harder, then I would seriously have to doubt your mental capability.

[K0RGR]

And when people raise points we don't like, we pull a Rush Limbaugh and swiftly hijack the conversation to discuss idiot lawyers who wear miniskirts.

I think the 33% approval rating for the Republican dominated Congress is quite encouraging. And that 19% think they're leading us in the right direction is even more encouraging. Sadly, over 40% haven't figured out the president yet, but they will hear about Downing Street eventually.

If more people watched Lou Dobbs, there would be armed lynch mobs roving the streets in Washington, D.C..

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 17 2005,17:22)]And when people raise points we don't like, we #pull a Rush Limbaugh and swiftly hijack the conversation to discuss idiot lawyers who wear miniskirts.
I use that when the discussion is getting too heated. It's not worth discussing anything for very long when you deal with one-track mind people.

[K0RGR]

Since I mentioned Lou Dobbs, he had a Republican Congresswoman on yesterday who has proposed a Constitutional Amendment that I wholeheartedly endorse!

Yes, you heard me right - a REPUBLICAN amendment!

The lady proposed changing the Constitution so that only CITIZENS are counted for the purposes of redistricting and allocating congressmen!

Currently all PERSONS are counted. So, illegal aliens count, too,

In states like Minnesota, we are nearly 100% U.S. citizens. But parts of some states like Texas and California have illiegal alien populations as high as 56%!!!! So, they get two congressmen for every one we get! Is it any wonder it's hard to get laws regulating the borders passed???

Lou comes up with one like this about every day. Well worth watching.

Write to your congress critter and demand that they support this amendment! Hopefully, they read English!

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 17 2005,15:22)]If more people watched Lou Dobbs, there would be armed lynch mobs roving the streets in Washington, D.C..
This is true. I can't see why this guy doesn't get more exposure because if anything, it's just plain common sense stuff.