Japan and CW

[K9STH]

First page of the ARRL website:

http://www.arrl.org/

Japan is NOT dropping the CW requirement. They are reducing the code speed to the same as in the United States but are requiring 2 minutes of "perfect copy" instead of 1 like here.

They are dropping the CW requirement from their lowest class just like in the United States where our lowest class is the no-code Technician Class. But, Japan with their even larger number of amateur radio operators than the United States is definitely retaining the knowledge of the International Morse Code.

Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH

[k6bbc]

So. They also drive on the wrong side of the road.

K6BBC

[k6bbc]

Come on guys. There is no reason to keep CW other than as a hazing ritual to keep people (which we need) out of the hobby. I urge everyone to boycott all stations from Japan until they right their ship. Together we can defeat this evil through the constant vigilance of our precious bodily fluids.

K6BBC

[KC0REY]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 31 2005,08:51)]So. They also drive on the wrong side of the road.

K6BBC
And eat raw, poisonous fish.

Personally, I have no problem with the code requirement and I am having allot of fun learning it.

I do have a problem with the whole code/no code debate and really wish you guys would give it a rest.

I could care less about Japan's code requirements. I'm more concerned about Americans who buy cars from Jap manufacturers. Keep sending all of our money to foreign countries and with time they will own the US.

Glen, after all that has been publicly stated by the owners and moderators concerning the code/no code slug fest, I am very surprised to see you post this.


Quote[/b] ] Come on guys. There is no reason to keep CW other than as a hazing ritual to keep people (which we need) out of the hobby. I urge everyone to boycott all stations from Japan until they right their ship. Together we can defeat this evil through the constant vigilance of our precious bodily fluids.

K6BBC


HUH?

[KB5WX]

For all of us " pro - coders " this is indeed good news . As for 5 wpm being a hazing and detrimental , the FCC said several years ago that 5wpm was not an insurmountable barrier for hf priveledges . I can't see any reason why they would change that opinion now . Long live CW !

[K9STH]

I posted this before someone else got to it (which would have happened within minutes). Of course it would have been someone who is on the "know-code" side because those on the "no-code" side have been "preaching" that "everyone else" in the world is going to "no-code". That is simply not true.

As I have pointed out to various "no-code" people who use the relatively few countries that have eliminated the code as "examples" of what we should do, remember when your mother asked you "just because Johnny jumps off a cliff, should you do it as well?"

Actually, it is only when the know-code / no-code discussions get into a "name calling", "personal attack" situation that the various staff members at QRZ.com have to step in. Frankly, the past few such discussions have remained pretty civil which is fine. So long as the participants can discuss the subject in a reasonable manner then things will go on an "even" keel. However, if things get "out-of-hand" then I will be the first to shut down the thread. And it doesn't matter which side causes the problem.

Glen, K9STH
(who is acting not as a moderator but as a "normal" participant and is thus "open" for comments)

[K3UD]

K6BBC

I am willing to bet that the FCC will not drop the code requirement for the General and Extra.

If you are willing to take the bet, and the FCC drops the code for both General and Extra, I will treat you to dinner if you ever happen to be in my area, or if I am in your area.

If they keep it for both classes you treat me to dinner if we are ever in the same area.

If they drop it for General and keep it for Extra, It is a draw and no one wins.

73
George
K3UD

[KC0REY]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 31 2005,09:17)]I posted this before someone else got to it (which would have happened within minutes). Of course it would have been someone who is on the "know-code" side because those on the "no-code" side have been "preaching" that "everyone else" in the world is going to "no-code". That is simply not true.

As I have pointed out to various "no-code" people who use the relatively few countries that have eliminated the code as "examples" of what we should do, remember when your mother asked you "just because Johnny jumps off a cliff, should you do it as well?"

Actually, it is only when the know-code / no-code discussions get into a "name calling", "personal attack" situation that the various staff members at QRZ.com have to step in. Frankly, the past few such discussions have remained pretty civil which is fine. So long as the participants can discuss the subject in a reasonable manner then things will go on an "even" keel. However, if things get "out-of-hand" then I will be the first to shut down the thread. And it doesn't matter which side causes the problem.

Glen, K9STH
(who is acting not as a moderator but as a "normal" participant and is thus "open" for comments)
'nuff said and well stated, as usual.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (K3UD @ May 31 2005,08:25)]K6BBC

I am willing to bet that the FCC will not drop the code requirement for the General and Extra.

If you are willing to take the bet, and the FCC drops the code for both General and Extra, I will treat you to dinner if you ever happen to be in my area, or if I am in your area.

If they keep it for both classes you treat me to dinner if we are ever in the same area.

If they drop it for General and keep it for Extra, It is a draw and no one wins.

73
George
K3UD
You're on!

K6BBC

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 31 2005,07:57)]Come on guys. There is no reason to keep CW other than as a hazing ritual to keep people (which we need) out of the hobby. I urge everyone to boycott all stations from Japan until they right their ship. Together we can defeat this evil through the constant vigilance of our precious bodily fluids.

K6BBC
You crack me up. I too am a fan of the great Stanley. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 30 2005,08:46)]Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH
HAAAAAAH!! They are RELAXING the requirements and you think it means CW requirement forever. When the day comes for 100% code free in the USA I'm gonna smile so wide knowing you guys will be in total anguish. Just like a devout religious person finally realizing his God is dead, the tourment will be overwhelming.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K3UD @ May 30 2005,09:25)]K6BBC

I am willing to bet that the FCC will not drop the code requirement for the General and Extra.

If you are willing to take the bet, and the FCC drops the code for both General and Extra, I will treat you to dinner if you ever happen to be in my area, or if I am in your area.

If they keep it for both classes you treat me to dinner if we are ever in the same area.

If they drop it for General and keep it for Extra, It is a draw and no one wins.

73
George
K3UD
Wher you at any time in the past a salesman for snake oil?

[K3UD]

JTY

Actually it was for recycled motor oil http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif killing snakes for their oil is banned around here.

I think I made the same offer to you sometime back.

73
George
K3UD

[kc7jty]

REY:
Until you PASS the Morse test you are just another banner flapping in the wind.

Bring back KB9YKY, the staunch pro code no coder who I predicted would NEVER pass a Morse proficiency test.

[kc7jty]

UD:
I saw a copper head in N.C. 3 weeks ago. I don't get to Kentucky and I doubt if you get to Idaho. What the government does concerning Morse is irrelevant. It is the fact that Morse as a requirement's time is LONG overdue. Personally I don't think dropping Morse will make much of a difference either way for the hobby. The numbers will continue to decrease at an ever faster rate.

[k6bbc]

Did I mention I passed a 13 WPM code test in front of a stoic FCC examiner at the age of 12?

K6BBC

[WB2WIK]

Japan's not relaxing the requirements.

They've had for many years, and still have, a "4th Class" amateur radio license which is code-free, and roughly equivalent to our NCT license here; however, JA "4th Class" operators are permitted limited HF privileges:

10W maximum output power between 21 and 30 MHz;
10W maximum output power below 8 MHz;
20W maximum output power above 30 MHz (VHF-UHF-SHF+)

Zero privileges of any sort on 17, 20 or 30 meters. Limited, low-power privileges on 15, 12 and 10m; and unlimited, low-power privileges on 6m and above.

If FCC here permitted something like this for NCTs, I doubt they'd get a lot of resistance; however, this would actually be a downgrade of VHF-UHF+ privileges for American NCTs, who are now permitted to run 1500W PEP output power on most of these bands, unlike the no-code JAs who are limited to 20W.

The JA Third Class and higher amateurs all have a code proficiency requirement, and still do.

WB2WIK/6

[w5lda]

Seems very strange a moderator starting a thread knowing he will have to shut it down later on,regardless if he is just a regular poster or a moderator.You know it's going to happen.
Nothing against you Glen,but you know how some of these folks are


"EDIT"

If this post seems out of line to some of you ,I will delete it

[kf6rdn]

Interesting (aside from the code crap) that other countries allow broader frequency allocations, but limit power at lower license levels. To me this makes a little more sense, given the amount of damage a "noob" could do with 1500 watts vs what damage (s)he could do with being on a few different bands.

[K0RGR]

Actually, according to the story, they dropped the code requirement for Third Class, gives them 50 watts on all but 20 and 30 meters, according to the JARL website.

So, the trend toward allowing greater HF priveleges for no-coders continues.

They've had their entry no-code HF license for decades now, with no terrible consequences I can see, other than having over a million hams in Japan at one point. All those 10-watters you work on phone in the DX contests are no-coders. Now, I suspect a lot of the 50 watters you work on 40 meters will be.

[W3MIV]

Tempest in a teapot.

My money stays where it has been: no auto-upgrades; no code for General; retain 5wpm for E.

JTY: Suggest your smile by the time they remove all code testing in US may have few remaining teeth in it. Hope you still have some lead in the pencil at that point, however, but doubt it.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 31 2005,07:51)]So. #They also drive on the wrong side of the road.

K6BBC
They are also some of the best and more polite operators out there too...just read some of the Dxpedition fedbacks about who are the best and who are the worst. US isn't on the best list by far (nothing to do with CW keep in mind).

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 31 2005,07:46)]First page of the ARRL website:

http://www.arrl.org/

Japan is NOT dropping the CW requirement. #They are reducing the code speed to the same as in the United States but are requiring 2 minutes of "perfect copy" instead of 1 like here.

They are dropping the CW requirement from their lowest class just like in the United States where our lowest class is the no-code Technician Class. #But, Japan with their even larger number of amateur radio operators than the United States is definitely retaining the knowledge of the International Morse Code.

Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH
Glen

Now if I didn't know better, seems you might be trolling with your fishing line just a bit there! Hi hi http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ May 31 2005,10:16)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 30 2005,08:46)]Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH
HAAAAAAH!! They are RELAXING the requirements and you think it means CW requirement forever. When the day comes for 100% code free in the USA I'm gonna smile so wide knowing you guys will be in total anguish. Just like a devout religious person finally realizing his God id dead, the tourment will be overwhelming.
He he...Tell you what. If I live long enough and you die before I do, I will come visit your grave, put a speaker face down, and pound code for an hour....I will listen to you tossing and turning! Hi. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W0LC]

Where's N1OBN with a topic like this comes up?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[K9STH]

I have worked hundreds (maybe even thousands) of the 10 watt CW stations on 40 meter CW over the years.

If they went to 40 or 50 watts they would be MUCH easier to copy in the Dallas, Texas, area, especially at high noon local time (which I have done at various times, especially during the winter months).


Chris:

Not really "trolling", but just "pulling the chains" of a few persons who keep insisting that the United States should completely do away with Element 1 because "everyone else is doing it".

Glen, K9STH

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 31 2005,14:47)]I have worked hundreds (maybe even thousands) of the 10 watt CW stations on 40 meter CW over the years.

If they went to 40 or 50 watts they would be MUCH easier to copy in the Dallas, Texas, area, especially at high noon local time (which I have done at various times, especially during the winter months).


Chris:

Not really "trolling", but just "pulling the chains" of a few persons who keep insisting that the United States should completely do away with Element 1 because "everyone else is doing it".

Glen, K9STH
I realize that Glen. Couldn't resist though! hi hi.

I do find the JA ops a cut above almost all the rest, with few exceptions.

[W2ILP]

WEll...Here it starts again...The CW versus noCW ham debate.

There was one good reason to use CW in the past that many neglect to recognize. That is the fact that most hams built their own transmitters before the days of SSB and it was always simpler and cheaper to build a CW transmitter than a phone transmitter. Many very young hams had to start with two tube QRP CW rigs and simple antennas and could still make some decent DX CW contacts.

This whole need is now gone. Even most beginning hams do not build there own transmitters, nor do they plan to use CW only. If most can avoid having to copy CW at faster than 5 wpm they will avoid it. Man is basically lazy. Ham radio no longer means Morse Code operation <period>. CW is only one phase of a dying hobby and CW OPs in the USA will become even scarcer than Hams in general as time goes on. If we don't realize that then we are not paying attention. That is not what I want to see as a ham...BUT it is what I can expect to see as a realist if I live long enough.

Not as a pessimist...Not as an optimist... BUT as a realist.

For the Japanese: ham radio means even more than for Americans. It is an opportunity to get educated to be a technician or an engineer working for some companny where Ham Radio gear is manufactured for us Americans, as well as the rest of the world's ham radio market. Maybe that is why there are so many Japanese hams...and maybe that is why Japan does not want to quickly get rid of a mode that may still be selected with the mode switches on all of the rice boxes that they manufacture.

w2ilp .. .-.. .--.

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ May 31 2005,12:33)]Interesting (aside from the code crap) that other countries allow broader frequency allocations, but limit power at lower license levels. To me this makes a little more sense, given the amount of damage a "noob" could do with 1500 watts vs what damage (s)he could do with being on a few different bands.
Kinda explains why the old Novice license existed, huh?

[W5MJL]

I'll post this in this thread as well.

This is funny. Five pages since I left for the weekend. Just think, in 8 or 9 more months you MAY find out if the code will be dropped. In the mean time lets look at the 23 countries that have dropped the code.


Kenya has 44 hams
New Zealand has 5,464 hams
France has 18,500 hams
Iceland has 140 hams
Sweden has 10,817 hams
Austria has 6,214 hams
Hong Kong has 1,461 hams
Denmark 10,060
Croatia has 1,752 hams
Papua New Guinea has 5 hams
Australia has 15,328 hams
Finland has 5,900 hams
Luxembourg has 525 hams
Singapore has 95 hams
Ireland has 1,658 hams
Netherlands has 14,529 hams
Norway has 5,302 hams
Germany has 79,666 hams
Spain has 58,700 hams
Switzerland has 5500
UK has 57,224 hams
Belgium has 5,295 hams
Malta has 470 hams
-------------------------------------
Of the 23 countries
6 of the 23 countries have less than 530 hams
15 of the 23 countries have less than 6500 hams
20 of the 23 countries have less that 18600 hams

There may be strength in numbers, but not in those numbers. Three countries with a total ham population of less than 200,000 or less than 1/3 of our ham population has gone no code.

Just the US and Japan make up 2 million operators. So where is this landslide of no code emotion coming from?

[W2ILP]

I'm not so very interested in what other countries do. Their needs and the number of hams in their countries may make their subband limits and licensing requirements different than they are here.

What country will give any American ham a reciprocal license with no renewal requirement and the right to transmit up to 3000 Watts on all bands for no fee at all?

The answer is : Somolia, East Africa.

I don't think I want to go there. The US Army was glad to leave.

w2ilp (Irrelevant Licensing Practices?):rock:

[WB2WIK]

My youngest daughter, age 14, just learned something about Morse code and is now actually interested to learn it (she never was, before).

Here's what happened. You pro-coders with kids might take note.

My daughter was telling me about the made-up abbreviations they use on the internet, when sending instant messages to each other and stuff. LOL for laughing out loud, LMAO for laughing my a** off, g2g for "got to go," and so forth. She thought this "web speak" was something of her generation.

I assured her it isn't. I said, "This stuff really started about 150 years ago, before the internet, before computers, really before typewriters." She wanted to know how that was possible.

"Easy. Telegraph operators. Even before there was radio, even before ham radio, there was wired telegraph being used to pass messages back and forth, all over the country. They sent code using keys and received it using "clackers," and the operators got very good at it. Because every word had to be sent as clicks or spaces, everything took a lot of time, so they made up abbreviations for almost everything."

"Really?"

"Yep. You've heard me say "73" and stuff on ham radio, right? That started more than a century ago. It's short for "best greetings," and usually means "goodbye."

"Really?"

"Yep. Even before hams, telegraph operators had short abbreviations for practically everything. I wouldn't be surprised if they used "LOL" for "laughing out loud," although this would be hard to prove, since the old time telegraphers are all dead."

Bingo!

She's interested in ham radio, for the first time in her life. That I was working Sri Lanka during the Tsunami disaster didn't impress her. That I have QSL cards for contacts made off the moon never impressed her.

Morse code, that impresses her. The forerunner to webspeak in chat rooms.

My guess is she'll have it nailed in about ten days, based on how fast she picks up everything else.

WB2WIK/6

[W0LC]

Nay, Steve, it's too hard for her to learn! Haven't you read posts on this subject from the past? It's just plain too hard to do!

Seriously though, sounds like an interesting approach. My youngest daughter always liked to sit in my shack and "tune" around on her receiver and type on the dumb terminal I had set up for her.

Man, how I miss those days. Now she is 14 and into make up, clothes, cell phones and e-mail.

[N8CPA]

Tell her that .... . . or .... .. was the LOL of yesteryear.

I've said it many times. That every public display of Amateur Radio should always include two brass pounders--and I don't mean using a keyboard. When the general public sees a man and a microphone, they think BC or CB. When they see a keyboard, regardless of the sounds emanating from a speaker, they think wireless internet. But when they see a brass pounder, kids, in particular, get intrigued. You need the second brass pounder to answer the questions they ask.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ May 31 2005,15:43)]My youngest daughter, age 14, just learned something about Morse code and is now actually interested to learn it (she never was, before).

.....

My guess is she'll have it nailed in about ten days, based on how fast she picks up everything else.
My XYL recently started playing around with a set of VibroPlex keyer paddles and an MFJ keyer...it's the one thing about radio that intrigues her.

If I can just get her to practice receiving, she'll be all set... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[N8CPA]

The great limitation, and advantage, of code is that to be effective it requires the development of bidirectional skills. The hand and the ear must be trained. And hands are more easily taught than ears, due to the rich number of manual nerve endings providing immediate feedback to the brain.

That's why some people can only learn to receive it while at the same time learning to send it. That's also why pen and paper are so much more effective for learning code than merely typing responses to signals. Writing it out takes more hand muscles and finer motor control, thus more nervous feedback, than typing. The ultimate payoff is that the involvement of all those nerve endings in the learning process, leads to greater operating satisfaction than provided by other modes, but only for those who work through the early frustration of learning.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ May 30 2005,15:23)]JTY: Suggest your smile by the time they remove all code testing in US may have few remaining teeth in it. Hope you still have some lead in the pencil at that point, however, but doubt it.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Hey!...deep throat is 91 and he seems to have teeth (maybe they are dentures).
I think the time is coming and fairly soon when that smile I'll be a wearing. Remember my smile will be pumping MUCH less adrenaline through me than the frowns on the faces of the, Morse at all costs, crowd.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W0LC @ May 30 2005,15:29)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ May 31 2005,10:16)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 30 2005,08:46)]Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH
HAAAAAAH!! They are RELAXING the requirements and you think it means CW requirement forever. When the day comes for 100% code free in the USA I'm gonna smile so wide knowing you guys will be in total anguish. Just like a devout religious person finally realizing his God id dead, the tourment will be overwhelming.
He he...Tell you what. #If I live long enough and you die before I do, I will come visit your grave, put a speaker face down, and pound code for an hour....I will listen to you tossing and turning! #Hi. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Another HAAAAAH! After I'm dead you can do what you want to my grave......on second thought, just don't P. (Its that joke about the Scotsman who wanted expensive whisky poured over his grave)......and the friend says "can I filter it through my kidneys first"?

[KB5WX]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 01 2005,10:57)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ May 30 2005,15:23)]JTY: Suggest your smile by the time they remove all code testing in US may have few remaining teeth in it. Hope you still have some lead in the pencil at that point, however, but doubt it.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Hey!...deep throat is 91 and he seems to have teeth (maybe they are dentures).
I think the time is coming and fairly soon when that smile I'll be a wearing. Remember my smile will be pumping MUCH less adrenaline through me than the frowns on the faces of the, Morse at all costs, crowd.
Maybe so , maybe no . But a code free gimme hf ticket sure won't be very self satisfying , cause it is a gimme and not earned .

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 30 2005,15:47)]Not really "trolling", but just "pulling the chains" of a few persons who keep insisting that the United States should completely do away with Element 1 because "everyone else is doing it".

Glen, K9STH
That leaves me out.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ June 01 2005,09:18)]The great limitation, and advantage, of code is that to be effective it requires the development of bidirectional skills. #The hand and the ear must be trained. #And hands are more easily taught than ears, due to the rich number of manual nerve endings providing immediate feedback to the brain. #

That's why some people can only learn to receive it while at the same time learning to send it. #That's also why pen and paper are so much more effective for learning code than merely typing responses to signals. #Writing it out takes more hand muscles and finer motor control, thus more nervous feedback, than typing. #The ultimate payoff is that the involvement of all those nerve endings in the learning process, leads to greater operating satisfaction than provided by other modes, but only for those who work through the early frustration of learning.
Interesting viewpoint, but I don't agree.

In my experience (teaching people of all ages to learn code -- although "all ages" has been mostly kids and young adults), they've all learned fastest and best when they didn't write down a single letter on paper or anywhere else. Listening to the code and understanding what's being sent is far more important than writing anything down, especially for those who are in it for the long run and not just learning 5 wpm to pass the test.

I do agree that learning to receive and learning to "send" code at the same time helps, for sure. Those who get involved with interactive "conversation" using code -- and keys, and oscillators -- quickly also ramp up their receiving speed quickly and are usually going 10 wpm within a week or so. Those who try to learn only by "listening" and never sending have a much harder time.

WB2WIK/6

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ May 31 2005,12:03)]Maybe so , maybe no . But a code free gimme hf ticket sure won't be very self satisfying , cause it is a gimme and not earned .
You are more like ai4Ep than the call sign.

[W0LC]

Already wandering off. I smell a lock down coming in the near term future on this thread.

And just when you think the fire went out.

[W7WV]

And Glen starts a CW thread?

[ai4ep]

FP just got the best compliment he could ever have gotten....congradulations to ai4Fp !!

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (W7WV @ June 01 2005,16:55)]And Glen starts a CW thread?
And I used to think better of him.

Oh well.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[k6bbc]

Oh Samuel Morse, inventor of my burden, CW, to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.

-.-

[KB5WX]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 01 2005,14:01)]FP just got the best compliment he could ever have gotten....congradulations #to ai4Fp !!
Thank you ! Thank you ! Thank you very much !

To borrow a phrase , HAW ! OUT !

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 01 2005,17:18)]Oh Samuel Morse, inventor of my burden, CW, to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.

-.-
And, alas, like hapless Ahab, ol' Sam will take you under with the rest of them.

CW is not going to go away any time soon. Get over it.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ June 01 2005,16:41)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 01 2005,17:18)]Oh Samuel Morse, inventor of my burden, CW, to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.

-.-
And, alas, like hapless Ahab, ol' Sam will take you under with the rest of them.

CW is not going to go away any time soon. Get over it.
I'm over it as of tonight.

[wa9cwx]

Just curious......
I wonder if Air Traffic Controller students around the world are complaining about learning English?
Sure hope they don't dumb down THAT service..... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kc7flr]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ May 31 2005,10:16)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 30 2005,08:46)]Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH


HAAAAAAH!! They are RELAXING the requirements and you think it means CW requirement forever. When the day comes for 100% code free in the USA I'm gonna smile so wide knowing you guys will be in total anguish. Just like a devout religious person finally realizing his God is dead, the tourment will be overwhelming.
What makes you think that the FCC dropping the code requirement will cause anyone "anguish?" The FCC will do what ever they find financially expedient. If that means dropping the code requirement, then so be it. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting, though.

I just do not understand how someone would get involved in a hobby and then complain and moan and groan about the requirements to advance being too hard. You should have known from the start that knowing international morse code was a requirement for obtaining full HF privilages. Why you then took the trouble to enter the hobby with that knowledge while having such a passionate distaste for one of the requirements is amazing.

Why did you become a ham if you don't like the requiements?

73

Ed

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 01 2005,14:18)]Oh Samuel Morse, inventor of my burden, CW, to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.

-.-
Why concerned? You sold all your gear, remember? Code (sending or receiving) should no longer be an issue.

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 01 2005,18:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ June 01 2005,16:41)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 01 2005,17:18)]Oh Samuel Morse, inventor of my burden, CW, to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.

-.-
And, alas, like hapless Ahab, ol' Sam will take you under with the rest of them.

CW is not going to go away any time soon. Get over it.
I'm over it as of tonight.
Truly? I think not.

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (kc7flr @ June 01 2005,20:56)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ May 31 2005,10:16)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 30 2005,08:46)]Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH


HAAAAAAH!! They are RELAXING the requirements and you think it means CW requirement forever. When the day comes for 100% code free in the USA I'm gonna smile so wide knowing you guys will be in total anguish. Just like a devout religious person finally realizing his God is dead, the tourment will be overwhelming.
What makes you think that the FCC dropping the code requirement will cause anyone "anguish?" The FCC will do what ever they find financially expedient. If that means dropping the code requirement, then so be it. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting, though.

I just do not understand how someone would get involved in a hobby and then complain and moan and groan about the requirements to advance being too hard. You should have known from the start that knowing international morse code was a requirement for obtaining full HF privilages. Why you then took the trouble to enter the hobby with that knowledge while having such a passionate distaste for one of the requirements is amazing.

Why did you become a ham if you don't like the requiements?

73

Ed
It's an old, old and long sad story. You don't want to put us through all that I hope! hi. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (W0LC @ June 02 2005,05:45)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 01 2005,18:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ June 01 2005,16:41)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 01 2005,17:18)]Oh Samuel Morse, inventor of my burden, CW, to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.

-.-
And, alas, like hapless Ahab, ol' Sam will take you under with the rest of them.

CW is not going to go away any time soon. Get over it.
I'm over it as of tonight.
Truly? #I think not.
Did I mention I passed a 13WPM code test in front of a grumpy FCC examiner at the age of 12?

K6BB

[ai4ep]

I thought for a minute ( yes...a full 60 seconds ) of joining in this scharade (*spelling ) of worthless banter....but why ?

All any one has to do is go to one of 2 inter net sites ---
1) fcc information
2) front page of this web site

and...

if there is ever any news of the morse code requirement being dropped, I am sure one of the two would let every one know rather fast.

So as of this second of this minute of this hour of this day of this week of this month of this year of this decade of this century... there ARE no changes.

But then, didnt you already know that ?

ai4Ep ( not to be confused with ai4Fp, who is mo educated than I )

[kf6rdn]

I think the req should be dropped in testing..

On the other hand, it hasn't been, so why sweat it so much? If I did it, any other idiot could.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I just need to get off my arse and upgrade to Xtra so I can talk to the black helicopter crowd.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I really don't get the hostility about it, if you think code should be there... fine.. Next subject?

Not that I don't like code, if had more time I'd do it. Wish I'd kept at it enough to retain it when I learned it for test..

[K0RGR]

Well, I think the Japanese have got it about right now - they dropped it for the lower level licenses, and retained it for the top ones.

According to the JARL site, their ham population peaked at 1.4 million in 1994. I know it has dropped off since then. I haven't listened to the hordes of 10 watters on 10 and 15 meter SSB for ages, but on the west coast, you used to hear this buzz that started in the afternoon as the band opened towards Japan... we don't hear them here with modest stations under normal conditions.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 02 2005,06:58)]Did I mention I passed a 13WPM code test in front of a grumpy FCC examiner at the age of 12?

K6BB
who was 12, you or the examiner? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ai4ep]

Do you mean to tell all of us there ARE " grumpy 12 year old examiners " ?

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 02 2005,08:16)]Well, I think the Japanese have got it about right now - they dropped it for the lower level licenses, and retained it for the top ones.
that's a good idea !

we create a code free entry level licence and retain element 1 and more theory exams for the higher class licences !

that way the newcomers can get on the air and learn a bit before they move on to bigger and better things !

let's give it a try ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ May 31 2005,15:39)]I'm not so very interested in what other countries do. Their needs and the number of hams in their countries may make their subband limits and licensing requirements different than they are here.
What subband limits? The US in one of a very small number of countries that still segment their amateur bands to any major degree.

[kl7aj]

All air traffic control communications should be in CW



eric

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ June 02 2005,09:09)]All air traffic control communications should be in CW



eric
maybe it could help solve the problem of figuring out whether that canadian atc told you to land on runway 1a,
or 1 eh! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ai4ep]

I agree with w3sy on another thread who mentioned that " most cb ops tend to feel insulted to talk on 2 meter repeaters "...cause -- well for one thing, most cb ops TALK FURTHER with their cb rigs than most 2 meter repeater s coverage area...and...therer might be another reason...does any one know it ?

a woman told me the other day " you are alomst like a human "..." you can forget the 20 years of good some one does, but remember all the rest of your life the 10 seconds of bad that the same individual did "..." another few years and we will wipe out any and all intelligence you had before you landed on earth , just by keeping your amateur radios on 2 meter repeaters & on 75 meters ...those are the key areas to lose what intelligence youo have. Years ago it was 27 Mhz, but cell phones have helped eliminate that band from the MIND ALTERING STATUS. " `

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 02 2005,12:03)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 02 2005,08:16)]Well, I think the Japanese have got it about right now - they dropped it for the lower level licenses, and retained it for the top ones.
that's a good idea ! #

we create a code free entry level licence and retain element 1 and more theory exams for the higher class licences !

that way the newcomers can get on the air and learn a bit before they move on to bigger and better things !

let's give it a try ! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Translation for those who weren't around, i.e. had not heard of Amateur Radio, before the 80's. That was the theory behind the League's decision to finally support the NC concept. I'm sure there's an "It Seems to Us" using very close to those exact words in QST archives.

The rest of "Us" remember how the goal post changed with every significant R&O thereafter. So, "It seems to us," that the generation of Amateurs brought in by each lowered bar, thinking themselves "progressive," has supported further lessening of effort for licensing for each class of license. It is a reflection of the old social principle, "What one generation will tolerate, the next will embrace."

Because it appears that NC HF is inevitable for the U.S, I would support such a model as the Japanese are implementing, though reluctantly, and though I think the reaction to it will be even worse than the reaction to Incentive licensing, possibly destructively so. I just want to call and to answer CQ with minimum QRM, and I don't see that remaining possible much longer.

[AK7V]

I don't know where to come down on this issue anymore. I passed the 20wpm test easily as a teen-ager, but then again, I have a remarkable brain so it's hard for me to empathize with the difficulties faced by average people.

Maybe passing code for the NC whiners is like me trying to prove a new prime number theorem while being bombarded by loud rap music and riding a unicycle. Possible with much work, but not likely to happen. There are plenty of good theorems out there, plenty of good music, and I'd rather drive.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ May 31 2005,17:41)]CW is not going to go away any time soon. Get over it.
And yes he DOES have a direct link with Jehovah God Almighty who tells him how its gonna be in times to come. We're all quite jealous of your privlidged position.......................................... ........................................
.................................................. .ha

[kc7jty]

flr:
ED....are you for real?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 01 2005,08:21)]If I did it, any other idiot could..
You are an idiot for doing it and you want others to do the same?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (AC6XA @ June 01 2005,11:18)]I have a remarkable brain so it's hard for me to empathize with the difficulties faced by average people.
Your candor is refreshing, I know life must be difficult at times for you living in the same world with the rest of us.

[K9STH]

JTY:

You comments are starting to get way too personal. Cool it.

Your position on the know-code question is quite well known and you are most certainly allowed to express your opinion. However, when you start getting personal, like you have done in several of your latest posts, then I have to draw the line.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[AK7V]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 02 2005,10:48)]Quote[/b] (AC6XA @ June 01 2005,11:18)]I have a remarkable brain so it's hard for me to empathize with the difficulties faced by average people.
Your candor is refreshing, I know life must be difficult at times for you living in the same world with the rest of us.
It's true! Why do you think I only operate CW? That way, I raise my chances of communicating with a similarly endowed individual.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 02 2005,10:39)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 01 2005,08:21)]If I did it, any other idiot could..
You are an idiot for doing it and you want others to do the same?
Here's an idea...


Point (http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/point.wav)


Just pulling the chain a bit.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 02 2005,08:54)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ June 02 2005,06:58)]Did I mention I passed a 13WPM code test in front of a grumpy FCC examiner at the age of 12?

K6BB
who was 12, you or the examiner? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
i knew there was something wrong with that sentence.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 02 2005,10:33)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ May 31 2005,17:41)]CW is not going to go away any time soon. Get over it.
And yes he DOES have a direct link with Jehovah God Almighty who tells him how its gonna be in times to come. We're all quite jealous of your privlidged position.......................................... ........................................

.................................................. .ha
you have been telling us that you were the one that had the inside track on what is going to happen and now you admit that you don't ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kf6ueb]

I would like to compliment N3JJA on his wonderful avatar. It made me laugh and is quite apropos to the topic.

[kc7flr]

Quote[/b] (W0LC @ June 02 2005,05:47)]Quote[/b] (kc7flr @ June 01 2005,20:56)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ May 31 2005,10:16)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 30 2005,08:46)]Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH


HAAAAAAH!! They are RELAXING the requirements and you think it means CW requirement forever. When the day comes for 100% code free in the USA I'm gonna smile so wide knowing you guys will be in total anguish. Just like a devout religious person finally realizing his God is dead, the tourment will be overwhelming.
What makes you think that the FCC dropping the code requirement will cause anyone "anguish?" The FCC will do what ever they find financially expedient. If that means dropping the code requirement, then so be it. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting, though.

I just do not understand how someone would get involved in a hobby and then complain and moan and groan about the requirements to advance being too hard. You should have known from the start that knowing international morse code was a requirement for obtaining full HF privilages. Why you then took the trouble to enter the hobby with that knowledge while having such a passionate distaste for one of the requirements is amazing.

Why did you become a ham if you don't like the requiements?

73

Ed
It's an old, old and long sad story. #You don't want to put us through all that I hope! #hi. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I have a feeling that we'll be going through it again regardless. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

73

Ed

[kc7flr]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 02 2005,10:36)]flr:
# # # ED....are you for real?

Uh... no... I'm a figment of your imagination.

Of course I'm "for real!"

When I took the Element 1 test a couple months ago to upgrade to General I did it with 86% full copy. I only missed a couple characters. I didn't even have to take the 10 question test afterward.

If *I* can do it so can you! All that is holding you back is you! If you would just bite the bullet and do it you'd have those HF privilages you desire.

Instead, you wring your hands and whine about how CW is so outdated. Get over it and get on with life.

73

Ed

[ai4ep]

...mostly because it is EASIER to " whine, gripe and moan " about learning morse code, while sitting in front of a computer.........than to actually LEARN it.

Plus the " gimme gimme gimme " crowd always has YOU to read their whiney messages. Take away their audience and they shut up.

Some folks will complain even when things are done THEIR way.

You can not get a compliment from a pessimist.

{ brb...go check the front page of this site,look for NEW headlines....YES there ARE new headlines, but not what you might think...go read them for yourself. }

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (kf6ueb @ June 02 2005,22:28)]I would like to compliment N3JJA on his wonderful avatar. It made me laugh and is quite apropos to the topic.
Well, I'm not the first to use it, but I have begun to find that it is apropos to most things "discussed" on QRZ.

I've come to the conclusion that most of what goes on here is purely for entertainment purposes. I find very little of it to be taken seriously.

How can one take this stuff seriously, when quite a number of these folks should be on Prozac or Valium? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 02 2005,10:39)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 01 2005,08:21)]If I did it, any other idiot could..
You are an idiot for doing it and you want others to do the same?
Why yes! Idiocy loves company!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 02 2005,10:39)]
You are an idiot for doing it and you want others to do the same?

There is plenty of evidence to support the thesis around these posts, yet the poster seems reluctant to grasp the obvious.

I, too, am living proof that ANYONE with a reasonably working brain (I retain a few sluggish neurons from the billions and billions with which I was orginally endowed) can pass the 5 wpm code requirement.

As another famed and fabled poster is wont to freely admit, "even a forty-plus year old white man in Alabama" can pass it. And he did it before I did it.

Stop making excuses, JTY, and see how many gray cells you may assemble to the task. It ain't all that hard.

[KB5WX]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ June 03 2005,08:13)]I, too, am living proof that ANYONE with a reasonably working brain (I retain a few sluggish neurons from the billions and billions with which I was orginally endowed) can pass the 5 wpm code requirement.

As another famed and fabled poster is wont to freely admit, "even a forty-plus year old white man in Alabama" can pass it. And he did it before I did it.

Stop making excuses, JTY, and see how many gray cells you may assemble to the task. It ain't all that hard.
Hey ,I resemble those remarks !!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC0NBW]

as i commented before, maybe there really are some people that are not smart enough to learn the code despite how simple it is ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (AC6XA @ June 01 2005,11:53)]It's true! #Why do you think I only operate CW? #That way, I raise my chances of communicating with a similarly endowed individual.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The dropping of the Morse requirement will have absolutely no effect on you. You got it made man.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (n3jja @ June 02 2005,08:59)]quite a number of these folks should be on Prozac or Valium? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Demerol

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ June 02 2005,09:13)]Stop making excuses, JTY, and see how many gray cells you may assemble to the task. It ain't all that hard.
You guys see the code test as good or a necessary evil. I see it as repression of my right to be my rebellious self.....I just can't compromise on that one. Its a matter of principle.
Its just like accepting W because he is our leader. I present to you that he is not our best hope against "terrorism" but is in fact the cause of it. And many more are seeing it this way daily............ I'm still waiting people.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 02 2005,11:33)]as i commented before, maybe there really are some people that are not smart enough to learn the code despite how simple it is ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Please don't overlook all the dim wits (nothing personal here disclaimer) who HAVE passed a code test.

[ai4ep]

That aint a bad idea.

Eliminate the N C T class, let every one who ALREADY is a NCT till their current 10 year license expire to UPGRADE or sell out.

All new amateurs would have to learn the morse code FIRST, then study the written test.

That eliminates a few, but they still have CB to talk on hf...and...in some cases a cb rig will talk further than a 2 meter repeater. Plus in some areas, communicating via cb is a step UP from local repeater use.

So not much is lost.

Just an idea to make things even simplier than they already are, ...also...a few folks want the " change " word to be used a lot; so there IT is.

Oh...alomst forgot that my idea almost totally ( but not quite ) eliminates "the gimme gimme gimme crowd " .

and...this did not take 4 seperate posts to put here.

hee hee hee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 03 2005,11:07)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 02 2005,11:33)]as i commented before, maybe there really are some people that are not smart enough to learn the code despite how simple it is ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Please don't overlook all the dim wits (nothing personal here disclaimer) who HAVE passed a code test.
exactly, if all us dimwits can pass the code tests, why can't the current crop of rocket scientists pass it ?

and then there are the people that absolutely refuse to try , a real bunch of whiners, i mean winners !

[ai4ep]

...GOOD POINT about the " current crop of rocket scientists " !!

I like that !

[KC0NBW]

like the old saying goes, ''you buttered your shoe, now you can sleep in it !

it has been said before to the no coders,
stop whining, either learn the code and upgrade or shut the h up .
why can't they get it through their heads that there is no such thing as a free lunch ?

tanstaffl !

[w5lda]

There will always be the crybabies that are afraid they will lose something. To those,let me know and i will send you a crying towel.Ferchristsakes grow up

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kd5vsg @ June 03 2005,14:57)]There will always be the crybabies that are afraid they will lose something. To those,let me know and i will send you a crying towel.Ferchristsakes grow up
i don't feel that i will personally lose anything.

but i think ham radio in general will lose an important aspect of radio history and the no code group will be the biggest group of losers in ham radio history ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[wb6bcn]

As I have stated in a previous post:
There is only one valid reason someone could have for not learning the code at 5 WPM is that you are DEAD!!!!

For those that haven't learned the code yet, the phoenetics of my call suffix says it. WB6BeginCodeNow.

In fact, I am going to form a club later this year and the club call I want is WN2BCN. We Need 2 Begin Code Now.

Stop the whining, and do the right thing. Learn the code!!!!

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (wb6bcn @ June 03 2005,16:00)]As I have stated in a previous post:
There is only one valid reason someone could have for not learning the code at 5 WPM is that you are DEAD!!!!

For those that haven't learned the code yet, #the phoenetics of my call suffix says it. #WB6BeginCodeNow.

In fact, #I am going to form a club later this year and the club call I want is WN2BCN. #We Need 2 Begin Code Now.

Stop the whining, #and do the right thing. #Learn the code!!!!
butitstoohardanidonteverplantouseitanitsoldandoutm oded
anitstoohardanidonwannawaaaaahhhh...
.............. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w5lda]

Whoever said learning code is the "right" thing? Look guys ,I am not against code,as a matter of fact I am all for it. But when some try to force it down other people's throat when they are not ready,you won't win until they are ready.

NBW

How can NCT's be losers if that is what they want? I am NCT,but i will upgrade when I am ready,I just don't have time right now.But i will join the ranks
before long.

kd5vsg

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kd5vsg @ June 03 2005,17:16)]Whoever said learning code is the "right" thing? Look guys ,I am not against code,as a matter of fact I am all for it. But when some try to force it down other people's throat when they are not ready,you won't win until they are ready.

NBW

How can NCT's be losers if that is what they want? I am #NCT,but i will upgrade when I am ready,I just don't have time right now.But i will join the ranks
before long.

kd5vsg
the way things stand, willingness to learn is an important part of ham radio and it is very essential to the future of ham radio.

the people that are not willing to learn are the biggest threat to the future of ham radio.

i do not consider the techs that do not whine about dropping the code to be ncts ! #

they are using the entry level licence as it was intended to be, an entry level.

to the people that are content to stay at the tech level, more power to you,if i can be of any assistance, let me know.

to the people that are willing to learn more to get more privileges, more power to you, if i can be of any assistance let me know.

to the whiners that want something for nothing, grow up, this is the real world.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 03 2005,17:55)]NBW...you did good !!
of course, that is why the fcc issued me the call kc0nbw !

kc0 never been wrong !

but i am humble ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

there are some that contend that nbw stands for no brain waves, but what do they know ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w5lda]

4EP

Didn't you mean "git r done"?

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 31 2005,08:46)]First page of the ARRL website:

http://www.arrl.org/

Japan is NOT dropping the CW requirement. #They are reducing the code speed to the same as in the United States but are requiring 2 minutes of "perfect copy" instead of 1 like here.

They are dropping the CW requirement from their lowest class just like in the United States where our lowest class is the no-code Technician Class. #But, Japan with their even larger number of amateur radio operators than the United States is definitely retaining the knowledge of the International Morse Code.

Do I detect the start of a "trend"?

Glen, K9STH
Hi Glen.
I thought you and Co. were sick 'n' tired of Code 'n' no code debates....

And here you go starting one.

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 03 2005,18:29)]to the whiners that want something for nothing, grow up, this is the real world.
I know this is the wrong thread, and SY's "What Do You Call Your Friends" thread is over there, but a X friend used to call another friend of his
"Sompthin for Nothin"

Because he Always would be knocking on his door and would try to get anything he could for free.
He would see a rake in the yard,,,would try to get it given to him.
He would see if he had an old lawn mower he wasn't using to give him.

That's what the no code fans remind me of. Repeaters ID in code, so I feel that people should be able to tell me what the repeater's call is and anything else it says.

I was on a net once, and there have been cases that someone has been passing traffic, and his mic quit on him, and he had to finish with the code key. And people were scrambling asking each other,


DO YOU KNOW CODE ????
DO YOU KNOW CODE ????


Isn't that looking STUPID or what?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 02 2005,12:36)]That aint a bad idea.

Eliminate the N C T class, let every one who ALREADY is a NCT till their current 10 year license expire to sell out.
Most are already.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 02 2005,13:18)]exactly, if all us dimwits can pass the code tests, why can't the current crop of rocket scientists pass it ?
Because they have made the wise and informed choice to pass it by. They are not interested and refuse the hazing ritual.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 02 2005,19:23)]there are some that contend that nbw stands for no brain waves, but what do they know ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
More than you think.

[ai4ep]

You may have noticed A NEW THREAD about this topic ( in a way ... )

QUESTION: Is there a reason why ( all of a sudden ) there are no less than 2 threads, asking the same question...is this month some kind of " web site popularity status " to disclose which sites are visited by most folks ?

...just a question, noticed the simularity and the obscurity in the fact that 2 threads are asking for YOUR input on the most controversial question of amateur radio { morse code } in the year 2005.

But then, I was wrong twice already today...may be going for # 3 ? :rock:

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ June 04 2005,10:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 02 2005,13:18)]exactly, if all us dimwits can pass the code tests, why can't the current crop of rocket scientists pass it ?
Because they have made the wise and informed choice to pass it by. They are not interested and refuse the hazing ritual.
in other words they are too lazy or too dumb to learn the code !
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[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ June 03 2005,21:28)]in other words they are too lazy or too dumb to learn the code ! #
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Both!