CB'ers finally got them one

[AC4BB]

I was tuning #across #the (So called #freeband) #tonight #and heard #a familiar sound #the constant #kerchunking #of a repeater. And #after double checking the frequency # discovered #that #it was #operating #on 27.620, with a 100 k.c. split on FM. #I listened #to determine if I#could #figure #out where it was located. It for reasons I could understand it never I'd. It #Kerchunked about every 5 seconds. And after #a few minutes #I #finally heard some #people talking Using #made up callsigns. #obviously CB operators #talking #and #said they were in Pa. and Md. #No doubt #some CB operator #has #gotten #ahold #of a #FM repeater and #converted #it #for #use #on the #area #between CB and 28 Mhz. I #don't#recall hearing #a repeater #there #before. #I#wonder#if the Feds#will #shut #it #down.? # The #Audio had a#rough #sound to #it and #I suspect#that#between the #intermod #and #competition #with the #SSB operators they#made #a really#bad choice. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ai4ep]

give them 8 - 10 years they might get their first written warning....wonder who maintains it ?

[AC4BB]

I dunno Robert, But it sounds crappy.

[ai4ep]

dern...my stock cb wont recieve it, but my UN modified Kenwood hf rig will....go check it out !!

BB go up there and talk to some one and we will post here and tell you how you sound....yea...suuuure !! :0

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 27 2005,22:38)]dern...my stock cb wont recieve it, but my UN modified Kenwood hf rig will....go check it out !!

BB go up there and talk to some one and we will post here and tell you how you sound....yea...suuuure !! # # # # :0
Robert, Hang on I'll go see if it works. LOL.

[AC4BB]

I'm not that lucky all my radios are outdoors.

[W3MIV]

Herd of truckers up here that are running HF radios on a whole range of frequencies, even 40m. Seems centered around Pittsburgh area.

[ai4ep]

problably bought them at a hamfest or through the internet...no call sign required ( buying it for a friend !!...suuuure ! ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[W5HTW]

I'm sure someone is going to say this:

Actually the CBers have a lot of repeaters, though most of them operate on 2 meters.

Unquote.

HAW (Thanks, SY, for the loan of your word.)

Curious, I just flipped up to 27.620. Guess it isn't tossing me enough pounds out here in desertland. My ears is on and a-flippin' and I ain't got no pounds at all a-comin' in on that thar 620 one. I did slide the Vee-Fo down to Channel 19, and it shore did sound like 27.025 fer sure, fer sure. Previews of coming attractions on ham radio?

Hey! Think I just heard a -- yeah, I did -- I heard something on thet thar 620. (I'm in FM mode on the 706, and I heard a word and a roger beep. Lotsa roger beeps. Repeater courtesy tones?)

Holy S-Meters, Batman, a FM repeater on CB. If so, I wonder what they gain with it?

Ed

[W7DJM]

A thought occurs.

Are you sure you aren't hearing an image?

[WA2ZDY]

That was my thought also. A repeater is not for a few non-technical guys to throw up and find success. And a repeater on low band (30-50 MHz; we'll include 10m ham repeaters and what this thing is purported to be as well) requires a high degree of technical competence. Yes, there are duplexers, but they're huge and expensive. Nearly all 10m ham repeaters are split site. Thus linking is involved - again, not for kids to try at home. You say they operate with a 100 KHz split. I assume then you found the input. That would nearly require a split site.

You say made-up callsigns. How did you determine that?

Well anyway, the fact that they don't sound "professional" is no indicator of whether they are legitimate or not. The police in the next town down from me, and in fact the conventional local repeater used at my job both sound not much different from CB. So you can't jump to conclusions.

I think it's a strong possibility you are hearing a legit low band system via image. There are still systems out there. Few and far between, but they're there.

Keep us posted, maybe there's something for us all to learn here.

[wa9cwx]

Maybe this repeater could be linked to our local 2 Meter repeater. #That way it might upgrade the conversations on the local machine.

Just a thought.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N3ATS]

Someone needs to record this. I'd like to hear it.

[W5HTW]

Not good enough to record, or even distinguish words, here. But if it's radiating from the east coast to New Mexico, it isn't an image. Or not a received one.

However! I gave a quick listen earlier. But I have better things to do than listen to CB, whether it's FM, CW, A5, or anything else they do. My quick listen was enough to prove to me it isn't a ham rig off freq accidentally. I have no desire nor authority to enforce CB rules, or freeband, either. In fact, as long as they have fun there, they aren't having fun on 20 meters -- hopefully! (Yet) I encourage them.
Ed

[ai4ep]

THAT is just what your local 2 meter repeater needs more than any thing else === a link that lets you ( at least ) recieve with the option of transmitting on cb channel 19.

Yep, every 2 meter repeater in the whole USA needs that one option .

Along with the antron 99 antenna up on the tower....shucks yea !!

Then those NCT that want " hf privileges " can talk on cb channel 19 through the link as they use their 2 meter radio while driving to/from work. No additional rig / antenna on their vehicle. Then they wont have to learn that cw.

Now why didnt some one else think of that idea ?

[AC4BB]

I know for a fact that these callsign were part of whats called an Alpha group or something associated to them. It was very obvious that they were not amateur callsigns they didn't even try to imitate that. And too, I don't think any amateur in their right mind would put a legitimate call on there.

[K4KWH]

At 8:30 PM this date, the *&^%$# are on there right now calling CQ DX from Noo Yawk! And THIS is what we have to look forward to with the removal of CW testing and other benchmarks to prevent the final ruination of Amateur Radio.:angry: ?

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ May 29 2005,17:39)]At 8:30 PM this date, the *&^%$# are on there right now calling CQ DX from Noo Yawk! And THIS is what we have to look forward to with the removal of CW testing and other benchmarks to prevent the final ruination of Amateur Radio.:angry: ?
There's already the elimination of code testing, so where's the ruination of vhf and uhf?

[K4KWH]

yeah, let's remove all "barriers", eliminate ANY requirements, abdicate ALL responsibility, FORGET about any sort of rules, STOP making people prove they have ANY justification for their operation 'cuz" we got them 'ere rah'ts thar to tawk on them channels thar! After all, we'uns is 'Merkin cit-i-ti-zens thar! #We is "entitled" thar and we don't need no licenzzes thar.

Besides since this chicken band "repeater" is on HF and the issue of CW elimination on HF has not actually occurred yet. #However, if you go read some of the CB forums, they are a-waitin' with baited breath to git on HF with their opened-up Icoms, "10 meter" Connexes, peaked and tuned, beeped and squeaked with plenty of "swang" #reddios to tawk on them "channels". #

Don't pay me any attention, I'm just ticked off about this CB "repeater". It is only the beginning, folks. Only the beginning!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #I listened to the d**mned thing awhile ago. #*Perhaps* certain people within a certain agency know about this by now (wink wink).

73 all,

[n8yx]

My $.02:

As long as they stay off the ham bands, why worry?

The licensee(s) of that particular frequency - if indeed there are any - will likely be in contact with the FCC if the "repeater" is causing interference to their communications.

IIRC, frequencies in that neighborhood were allocated at one time to the U.S. Air Force - they may still be.

I still hear illegals operating on 10M. We really should be focusing our efforts on them, rather than worrying about what goes on outside our allocations.

As an aside...the occasional 26/27 MHz "clandestine" comms are somewhat interesting to listen to...

[n9zxk]

A few years ago i heard something about a repeater for 11 meters. I know it wasnt in the U.S. They also had a web site. I been looking for it but cant find it. If i find it i will post it here...

[ai4ep]

9;00 pm central time...nothing heard on my MACO v 5/8 all directional 27 Mhz antenna on 27.620 FM......maybe just not making the trip to Alabama ?

[KA3RFE]

As far as I'm concerned, as long as they're not on ham freqs they can do as they like. It's not my job to enforce FCC regs or even to care about what is going on elsewhere. I had some concerns over the keydown, but since nothing happend, I'm not gonna spend any more time on illegalities outside the ham bands.

[ai4ep]

...typical " it aint in my house/car so I dont care " attitude.

Nothing new. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[ka5s]

I went straight to the horse's mouth; the FCC's ULS search function. #For 27.5 - 27.65 MHz:

(reformatted) Quote[/b] ]
1 #KB32378 #NEBRASKA STATE OF #
2 #KC5820 #GENERAL MOTORS RESEARCH CORPORATION
3 #KC9205 #GENERAL ELECTRIC RADIO SERVICES CORPORATION #
4 #KK7019 #PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY #
5 #KM3867 #MORROW GRAVEL CO #
6 #KM6860 #CITGO PETROLEUM CORP #
7 #KQ9674 #EXXON COMMUNICATIONS COMPANY #
8 #KYT405 #CALIFORNIA STATE OF #
9 #WLT379 #SpeedUsNY.com



IMO, it's likely "freebanders" have hijacked an existing repeater.


Cortland
KA5S

[N3ATS]

I searched for 27.620 exactly, nationwide, and found nothing.

Someone's probabl experimenting. I did find that frequency being used by CAP in the Baltimore/Washington area on the below list.

http://www.duane.com/~dduane/activities/scanner.txt

[ai4ep]

ATS...nice link...

THIRD line from top ---"last updated in 1992 " ( 14 years ago )

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 29 2005,19:33)]...typical " it aint in my house/car so I dont care " attitude.

Nothing new. # # # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
So...tell me, give me even ONE reason why licensed amateur radio operators have ANY say in what goes on in other services? Give me even ONE justification. Tell me WHERE in the basis and purpose of amateur radio that says we're the FCC's enforcement branch in all other services.

It's none of my concern if it's not on the ham bands. Why should it be? Give me ONE true, reasoned, inarguable rationale. And don't give me "its against the law." It's not up to us to enforce any laws anyplace outside ham radio.

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ May 28 2005,22:06)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 29 2005,19:33)]...typical " it aint in my house/car so I dont care " attitude.

Nothing new. # # # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
So...tell me, give me even ONE reason why licensed amateur radio operators have ANY say in what goes on in other services? Give me even ONE justification. Tell me WHERE in the basis and purpose of amateur radio that says we're the FCC's enforcement branch in all other services.

It's none of my concern if it's not on the ham bands. Why should it be? Give me ONE true, reasoned, inarguable rationale. And don't give me "its against the law." It's not up to us to enforce any laws #anyplace outside ham radio.
I'll Tell you why you'd better get concerned. because this is a relatively new development and things like this are the Staging grounds for future development. If these bootleggers nad outlaws can succeed in getting away with this sort of activity outside the amateur bands and not be challenged then Guess what? It will be only avery relatively short amount of time before they're in the HAM BANDS. That's why you need to be concerned. This being something new we all need to stay on top of this.

Yes, Something NEW.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ May 29 2005,21:25)]If these bootleggers and outlaws can succeed in getting away with this sort of activity outside the amateur bands and not be challenged then Guess what? It will be only avery relatively short amount of time before they're in the HAM BANDS.
In case you gents hadn't noticed, they're already IN the ham bands...with 10M seeing most - but by no means ALL - of the activity.

In addition to "operating", I do a lot of SWLing while in the shack - and have done so for years before I became a ham. Freebanders have been around for at least 30 years and will continue to operate wherever they think they can get away with it...until caught.

A short list of "CB pirates" I have heard:

- 300 baud HF packet centered around 27.540 (U.S. based operators were participating in QSOs and checking into BBS systems.) I was a SysOp of a rather large MSYS system at the time and had to filter traffic which originated from these CB gateways.

- RTTY on channels 35-40. CB ops exchanging traffic.

- SSTV transmissions

- FM transmissions, both in-band and out-of-band

- A rather large SSB DX roundtable net on 27.555

- "Clandestine" operations on the so-called "RC" (27 MHz radio control) channels

There are more. LOTS more. It is left as an exercise for the reader to find them all, propagation permitting.


Amateur radio operators are supposed to be self-policing. Last time I glanced through Part 97, I could find nothing whatsoever about policing the frequencies assigned to other services.

(If Riley H. happens across this thread, please feel free to comment...)

Might I suggest that we clean up our own backyard before worrying about what goes on elsewhere?

[PE1RDW]

I originate from the CB band and I'm not to proud to admit that I also worked between 27.405 and 28, in general it was seen as smart to stay between the 12 and 10 meter ham bands.
I to have worked the 27.555 dx caling frequentie, when conditions opened it was common praxtice to call on 27.555 and listen for answers a bit higher or lower. I also worked the 45 meter band.
I actualy became a ham because the packet network was working better on the ham bands then on cb.
you might want to keep in mind that digital signals from europe on the legal 40 channels are legal signals, as long they change nothing on the trx or use an amp they can do whatever they like including but not limited to fm, am, ssb, 1200 baud afsk packet, 300 baud fsk packet, rtty, sstv, music broadcasting (if the producers are paid) etc etc

right now the cb channels around here have setled back to more or less civil behavior, jammers are tracked down and most of the times it turns out to be a kid that gets his radio taken away as a result of it by the parrents, bingo nets can run without interfearing etc.
most of the times the difference between cb ops and hams is the technical knowhow but even that is not always the case, especialy because cb is also used by swls to talk to hams and the hams are not ashamed to use their callsign on the legal channels.
and yes I too still have a cb radio hooked up and tuned to the local roundtable fm frequentie.
like the ham bands the cb band is very different between the usa and europe

[ai4ep]

Well...B B & Y X...guess you two not only told RFE , but you let the rest of us learn how serious the problem is & can be.

Maybe RFE wont care until they move that repeater UP 1 Mhz into the 10 meter amateur band...then and only then he "might" care.

this could turn into an interesting thread ( perhaps better than a " code/no code " )...?

[k5mke]

Gentlemen:

There are no real solutions to this problem. The F.C.C. is supposedly under-funded, so they have essentially given the Amateur bands over the the Ardvark Rump Rubbers League (A.R.R.L.), whose Board has gotten into bed with the ISP's, digital groups, etc.
The A.R.R.L. doesn't give a flyin' rats butt about any the U.S. amateurs, especially it's membership. The A.R.R.L. only wants your "MONEY!"

One way to *fight back* is to operate CW more,not less. Let these jerks try an fight a 2kw CW signal!

Respectfully submitted,
73,

"Buck"/K5-MKE

[KA3RFE]

No one has answered my question yet. Where in Part 97 does it state we have any business worrying about something not on ham bands? One guy said they "might" come onto ham bands. Outside of the lower part of 10 meters, where there is encroachment, where are they?? On 10 meters I do care. I don't care what they do in the freeband or any other place not assigned to ham radio. It's not otherwise a ham radio problem.

As another guy mentioned, CB exploded 30 years ago. Since that time, have the CBers taken over any ham band? No. They've messed around on the lower part of 10 meters but they've not taken over the band in any sense of the phrase. I make no excuses. They're violating FCC regs on 10 meters and need to be run off of those freqs. What they do otherwise isn't of any concern.

[n9zxk]

RFE

Im with you 100 % on that. Dont forget guys if you key up on 27.620 you will be a freebander too....

[ka5s]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ May 29 2005,20:34)]I searched for 27.620 exactly, nationwide, and found nothing.
There are also some 11-meter MARS allocations, though I've never heard of a MARS repeater below 40 MHz. The actual allocation charts are FOUO and (quite properly) I have not been able to find much official about MARS frequencies on the Web.



Cortland
KA5S/AAR9UT

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,07:19)]Well...B B #& Y X...guess you two not only told #RFE , but you let the rest of us learn how serious the problem is & can be.
I "...told..." RFE ?

If anything, I'm in complete agreement with the gentleman.

There is no problem here as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what happens outside the amater radio allocations. If I was on the FCC's payroll as a field engineer and was told by the OIC to care, I would then do so.

Anyone here work the WPX contest this weekend? Did you operate 10M at all? And did you hear the AM activity on 28.045, 28.075 and 28.195?

As I stated previously: We have much to do before we start worrying what goes on outside our bands...

[W7DJM]

"""""""""""As another guy mentioned, CB exploded 30 years ago. Since that time, have the CBers taken over any ham band? No. They've messed around on the lower part of 10 meters but they've not taken over the band in any sense of the phrase""""""""""""


I don't know whether you've ever bothered to listen in the cw portion, especially, of 10 meters when decent propagation exists, but what I hear there MOST CERTAINLY constitutes "taking over the band"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When I hear 5, 10, more , uh, "stations" talking freely with no retributions from amateurs, the CB'ers griping that "someone is trying to interfere" then I say that is "taking over the band."

Just how much are we supposed to give up before you consider it a take over?

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ May 29 2005,20:34)]I searched for 27.620 exactly, nationwide, and found nothing.

Someone's probabl experimenting. #I did find that frequency being used by CAP in the Baltimore/Washington area on the below list.

http://www.duane.com/~dduane/activities/scanner.txt
CAP has NEVER used 27.620. That is a misprint. Besides
*most* of their frequencies are changing (soon) and most lists that publish their frequencies are inaccurate.

They, for example,list frequencies in the 26 MHZ range and the publishers invariably get it wrong (for the last 20 years or so). *THAT* frequency listed is also out of date. ;)

[ai4ep]

....could it ( 27.620 ) be TERRORISTS communicating HERE in the USA ??

Nah...if it " aint in the ham bands, we dont care " ...right ?

That is what I ( and YOU ) can read other folks say in other posts in this thread...!

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,10:15)]....could #it #( 27.620 ) be TERRORISTS #communicating HERE in the USA ??

Nah...if it #" aint in the ham bands, we dont care " ...right ?

That is what I ( and YOU ) can read other folks say in other posts in this thread...!
I highly doubt it.

Persons who want their communications to remain secret do not plop themselves down on a band where everyone and their brother can hear the transmissions, then proceed to transmit in plain (unencrypted) speech.

SMS, VoIP and similar technologies which make use of encrypted data streams are the mode(s) of choice for any quasi-007s in the world these days. Most of these folks don't have access to DES-based or APCO25-based equipment, so they must make do with what's readily available to them - all the while maintaining a modicum of secrecy. (Conspiracy theorists take note: The Internet itself makes a wonderful tool for facilitating this sort of communications.)

As an aside: Contrary to what most media would have people believe, there is NOT a terrorist hiding beneath every rock in this country. The common criminal - who is by and large NOT a terrorist in nature - can be found utilizing certain areas of the radio spectrum to further his/her nefarious schemes.

Again, it's left as an exercise to the reader to figure out where they are. The average HF/VHF-equipped ham should have all the necessary gear at hand to do this.

[ai4ep]

...but they may be " on a budget " and cant afford any better. One station that DID hear them, said they " sounded lousy " . !! They may have damaged equipment and this is the best they can do for the moment.

Plus...can you prove that it is NOT terrorists ? I cant prove that it IS...and neither can you. It still CAN / COULD be.

If it IS an illegally operating station, it still needs to be SHUT DOWN. TODAY.

....Oh, but I forgot --- " if it aint on AMATEUR frequencies, we dont care ".......dern.

" Most of these folks dont have DES - based or APCO25- based equipment, so they must make do with what is readily available to them - all the while maintaining a modicum of secrecy ".


How many folks have FM recievers of 27.620 ? Most ordinary police scanners dont cover that frequency ( oops ), and shortwave enthusiasts are USUALLY at a lower frequency to hear/listen to their favorite american/foreign broadcasters ( 25 Mhz and under ).

So it CAN still be " wanna = be terrorists on a budget with a system on 27.620 FM " ? !

[WA2ZDY]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ May 29 2005,21:22)]Besides since this chicken band "repeater" is on HF and the issue of CW elimination on HF has not actually occurred yet. #However, if you go read some of the CB forums, they are a-waitin' with baited breath to git on HF with their opened-up Icoms, "10 meter" Connexes, peaked and tuned, beeped and squeaked with plenty of "swang" #reddios to tawk on them "channels". #
I hate to get into could quickly become a code/no-code thread, but KWH is correct. Those folks are just champing at the bit for code-free HF privileges. And these are not people who want to be hams. They simply want to have more frequencies on which to do what they already do. If anyone says these behaviours being found on the ham bands will acceptable to them, well . . . anyone with these feelings should seriously consider whether they should have a license.

Welcome to the 21st century.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,11:10)]...but they may be " on a budget " and cant afford any better. #

Plus...can you prove that it is NOT #terrorists ? # I cant prove that it IS...and neither can you. # It still CAN / COULD be.

If it IS an illegally operating station, it still needs to be SHUT DOWN. TODAY.

....Oh, but I forgot --- " if it aint on AMATEUR frequencies, we dont care ".......dern.

" Most of these folks dont have DES - based or APCO25- based equipment, so they must make do with what is readily available to them - all the while maintaining a modicum of secrecy ".


How many folks have FM recievers of 27.620 ? #Most ordinary police scanners dont cover that frequency ( oops ), and shortwave enthusiasts are USUALLY at a lower frequency to hear/listen to their favorite #american/foreign broadcasters ( 25 Mhz and under ).

So it CAN still be " wanna = be terrorists #on a budget with a system on 27.620 #FM " #? !
Points addressed in order:

1) ...but they may be " on a budget " and cant afford any better... #

My sides are STILL hurting from this one. Just exactly who do you think you're (we're) dealing with here...a Girl Scout troup? The average terr has logstical support that most folks' companies of employment would be envious of. For example, Al Qaeda is largely funded by a multi-BILLIONAIRE.

2) Plus...can you prove that it is NOT #terrorists ? # I cant prove that it IS...and neither can you. # It still CAN / COULD be.

There's an old Chinese proverb about finding dragons under every bush one examines...or was it McCarthy and communists? I get those adages confused...

If it walks like a duck...and it talks like a duck...more importantly, if it goes, "Tan-Fer, good buddy!" with each and every transmission then it's NOT a terr. See?

3) If it IS an illegally operating station, it still needs to be SHUT DOWN. TODAY.

Perhaps. Make a call to Mr. Hollingsworth and let him know. Ooops, I forgot - he's the FCC's chief council for the Amateur Radio Service. That won't do us any good here. Larry Brock from the Dallas field office, perhaps?

4)...How many folks have FM recievers of 27.620 ? #Most ordinary police scanners dont cover that frequency...

Let's see...in my shack, we have the following gear which is capable of receiving that frequency:

A Drake TR7/R7 combo;
A Kenwood R-5000;
An Icom R-7000;
Several Uniden HR-series 10M rigs;
A Realistic PRO-2004;
A Realistic PRO-2035;
An AOR AR-2500;
Several other scanners whose model #s escape me at the moment.

The average "freebander" also has equipment capable of receiving and transmitting on said frequency/mode. Just about every "export" rig sold in the last 10 or so years can do it, as can the vast majority of modern ham rigs. In short, there's no shortage of ears there...

[ai4ep]

r o f l

[ai4ep]

every time we read Y X post, you cant help but laugh...oh oh light bulb went out !!

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,13:11)]every time we read Y X post, you cant help but laugh...oh oh #light bulb went out !!
Excuse me?

[ai4ep]

" my sides are STILL hurting from this one " .

If you can laugh at my posts, surely all I ( or any one else) has to do is read YOUR own posts to get a good laugh !!

Listening to 27.620...nothing but static from storms not too far away.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to make you laugh.

[ai4ep]

This fm repeater on 27.620 is ( in a way ) a stange coincidence....one weekend AFTER the Dayton Ohio HAMFEST ( the biggest hamfest in the whole U S A ), this suddenly appears on-the-air !!

Makes you wonder where they DID get such a system ?? !!

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,13:44)]If you can laugh at my posts, surely all I #( or any one else) #has to do is read YOUR own posts to get a good laugh # !!

Listening to 27.620...nothing but static from storms not too far away.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to make you laugh.
There's a difference here...my observations are grounded in fact, not in FUD.

Feel free to laugh away, tho...don't so won't change the facts.

The various state militias are far more likely to be using such a system than are foreign nationals and/or agents of foreign governments. While I did see a number of "foreign" types at Dayton, most were of the JA- or OH- persuasion, and were in fact NOT buying VHF low-band FM equipment. (They WERE, however, after all the Collins and Drake "collectibles"... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #) Frankie Freebander may also be having some fun as well, being aided and abetted by a few "in the know". After all, some who operate there also possess amateur licenses. One has to go no further than the FCC's recent NOV/NAL list to verify this bit...

I have several receivers at two different sites now monitoring that frequency. One is connected to an omnidirectional vertical antenna; another is connected to a tuned horizontal (omni) loop. Yet another can be connected to a rotatable array that is cut for 10M, and more RX equipment can be activated if need be. Should I hear the station in question I'll analyze the signal and see if I can figure out what it is.

Out of curiousity - on what beam heading are you seeing a signal max from the thing?

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,13:11)]every time we read Y X post, you cant help but laugh...oh oh #light bulb went out !!
So. You cannot continue discussion without resorting to personal attacks or insults?

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ May 30 2005,14:19)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,13:11)]every time we read Y X post, you cant help but laugh...oh oh #light bulb went out !!
So. You cannot continue discussion without resorting to personal attacks or insults?
'Tis all right, Glass Hoppa...my verbal kung-fu is strong... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[ai4ep]

....any one found the station yet ?


guess not...nothing new. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[AC4BB]

I haven't heard anything newe today as far as the location of this repeater. But, i feel sure that it won't take long to find. It was on again today and strong here about 60 db so, it's pretty loud. And as for those that say we3 have no business trying to meddle outside the amateur bands. Rember this that just as easily as thisd OUTLAW group put this repeater here where it is it would be very easy to move it INTO the amateur bands.. They're very close to us now and what we can head off now we may not have to deal with in the future.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ May 30 2005,23:11)]Rember this that just as easily as thisd OUTLAW group put this repeater here where it is it would be very easy to move it INTO the amateur bands..
I'll betcha they won't move it into the ham bands...as they probably enjoy being left alone.

Contrary to what some folk on here would have you believe, not all CBers are as dumb as the proverbial "bag of hammers".

[VK2XXL]

Boy o boy!!!! I never thought the time would come where the is an FM repeater on the 27MHZ band!! I will be tuning into that frequency and listening when the band opens up to Australia!!

Funny how somebody here said that the repeater came on the air after Dayton or whatever its called was on.

As long as they stay in the 27MHZ band and don’t come up onto 10m I don’t think we should worry.

Seems that the FCC has no time for that stuff and they aren’t really hurting anybody so why would the FCC waste there money on it. It took them years to get that Jack terrorist guy so if anybody has any hopes of it getting shut down I think you are wasting your time.

I think its quite funny!!! I give 5 smiles to!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif ROFL

[ai4ep]

BB...which direction do you recieve the loudest signal with beam antenna ? I havent recieved it at all yet with all directional MACO v 5/8 wave vertical at 18 foot off the ground.

[n9zxk]

Outside of being out of band is there any reason why there couldnt be one on 11 meters

[KD6NIG]

I recall reading somewhere about a guy who took 2 CB's, put a voice activated mic on the transmit one and retransmitted one channel onto another. I also recall him bragging about it and subsequentially having someone come "remove his antennas" one night.

Oh wait, I remember now, it was in the local papers police blotter. He reported the theft of sections of coax to the sheriff. Apparrantly he admitted to doing what he was doing, I don't know how-maybe they caught the person who did it, I dunno. Never heard how it turned out.

Of course, what you guys are talking about is more advanced, most likely. Either that or something like this, with a 'out of channel' transmitter perhaps?

73, Joshua KD6NIG

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ May 30 2005,09:09)]Anyone here work the WPX contest this weekend? Did you operate 10M at all? And did you hear the AM activity on 28.045, 28.075 and 28.195?

As I stated previously: We have much to do before we start worrying what goes on outside our bands...
I worked the WPX but every time I checked 10m all I heard was static. Too busy with contacts on 15 and 20 to spend too much time on what sounded like a dead band to me. Didn't even hear any carriers on any of the usual "private company" frequencies.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ May 30 2005,23:11)]I #haven't #heard #anything #newe #today as #far #as the #location of this repeater. But, i feel sure that #it #won't take long to find. #It was on #again today and strong #here about 60 db so, it's pretty loud. #And #as for #those #that say #we3 #have #no #business #trying #to meddle # outside the amateur bands. Rember #this that #just as #easily as thisd #OUTLAW group #put #this repeater here #where #it is it #would #be very #easy #to #move it #INTO #the amateur bands.. # # # They're very close to #us now and what #we can head off now we may not have to deal with in the future.
There's nothing to stop the outlaws from coming into ham bands right now. There never has been anything preventing them from coming on our freqs. Nothing. But they don't do this do they? Thirty years since "Smokey and the Bandit" and still very little encroachment. Lots of illegal operating elsewhere, some little bit on our bands, no take-over has happend has it? The fact is while they could do so, they don't. The majority of it happens outside our bands. So why get so uptight? It's stupid to get so bent out of shape for whats going on elsewhere.

Let's worry about whats going on on our freqs. We can't do a thing about whats happening elsewhere, nor do we have any authorization from FCC to do anything. It's like the old joke where an old lady calls the cops to complain about a naked man in an apartment. Cops tell her they can't see anything. She tells them to climb the stepladder and use the binox.

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 31 2005,18:25)]
When he gets up to 28.0 MHz, let me know. Otherwise, don't you think we should clean up our own messes?

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 31 2005,18:25)]....plus I like the way RFE keeps such a negative attitude toward the entire situation.

If this " anonymous repeater station " would move UP just 1 Mhz, it would then be ON an AMATEUR frequency....which aint that far to jump ...radio wise. ( technically less than that ).

So dont no one get upset here, he is just about 380 kc away from 28.000 ; which IS the 10 meter amateur band...which is less than the frequency spread of the 40 channel cb 11 meter band from cb channel 1 to channel 40 (oops).

But then, YOU already knew that, didnt ya ?

So no one with an AMATEUR license should worry 5 seconds of one hour of one day of one week of one month of one year about this.

We got " code/no code " to discuss...again.
Before we worry about a repeater which is almost 400 KHz out of our 10M allocation...maybe we should concern ourselves with the following:

- AM "freeband" operation on 28.015, 28.025 and 28.045;
- An ongoing problem with trucking companies using 28.085 as a "fleet" channel;
- Ditto the above on 28.305;
- AM and SSB "freeband" operation throughout the 10M beacon subband;
- Assorted intruders in the 10M voice subbands

The above list is limited to 10M, but the intruder problem is NOT, by any means.

Previous comments still apply...we should be cleaning up our own backyard before worrying about what the neighbors are up to.

And lest you think for a minute that the "freebands" aren't being monitored, please refer to the following excerpt from the May 21, 2005 FCC Enforcement Logs:


April 5, 2005

Thomas A. Borgia
32 Roberts Avenue
Whitesboro, NY 13492-2627

Subject: Amateur Radio license N2GWI
Warning Notice--Unlicensed Radio Operation
Case #EB-2005-2728

Dear Mr. Borgia:

Information before the Commission indicates that you have been operating radio-transmitting equipment on 26.815 MHz without a license, and that those transmissions cause interference on the 10-meter amateur band, 28.500 MHz.

Please be advised that operation of radio transmitting equipment without a license is a violation of Section 301 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 301. Such operation will subject you to fine or imprisonment, as well as an in rem seizure of radio transmitting equipment, in cooperation with the United States Attorney for your jurisdiction. Fines normally range from $7,500 to $10,000.

You are requested to contact me at 717-338-2502 to discuss this matter.
CC: FCC Northeastern Regional Director

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,17:22)]BB...when you DID hear the station, what direction with a BEAM antenna did you get a strong signal from ?
No Robert, I don't have a directional antenna here. And as far as RFE 's comments , you go on believing that because a lot of the original intruders that are on 10 and 12 meters todays Began on Freeband. And foundlittle or no resistance to their progression and just continued to move on up. And BTW OM this repeater is less than 1/2 Meg from the 10 meter band now. Need I say more.? If you see a prowler in your front door or backdoor, Do you say Well, their still outside I'll do something once they've found their way inside.?" If you're smart you won't wait that long to take action. Get real. Some of those harmless prowlers are already inside.

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 30 2005,22:16)]BB...thank you for the info.
You're Welcome.

[KG6YTZ]

Quote[/b] (n9zxk @ May 31 2005,08:19)]Outside of being out of band is there any reason why there couldnt be one on 11 meters
Technically, no. Legally, yes. And I shudder to think what life would be like on 11m if repeaters were allowed.

[AC4BB]

If #people #ever needed a real reason other than being #highly #illegal, #They #should #listen to #the horrible #audio (And that's putting #it mildly) #Of #the #repeater #on 27.620 and bear in mind that when that bunch #decides to put #a repeater on 10 meters that It probably will sound that #bad(or worse). #I agree the #people doing this very #obviously #don't have the #technical ability to properly set up align and maintain something like this. I don't#think#the average CB'er would#put #up #with it long. The #so called (Freebanders) said long ago that #they intended to rob the Licensed amateur #radio operators of all their 10 And 12 meter frequencies and they #didn't really give @##$$%% what the people that had rights to #operate there thought Nor, what the FCC had to #say#about #it either." #The idiots #that #set #up shop and run illegal operatons #FIrst # they have #no #rights #either #there(Freeband) or on the Hambands anywhere. You can't give me #any corn pone reasons#why they have#this supposed #right to operate anywhere they choose I know better and I would #say #that any #radio Amateur #worth #their salt would agree.

[WA2ZDY]

One "advantage" to an illegal repeater on freeband or inside the ham band: they don't move much, and that will make them easy to find.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ June 01 2005,00:32)]If #people #ever needed a real reason other than being #highly #illegal, #They #should #listen to #the horrible #audio (And that's putting #it mildly) #Of #the #repeater #on 27.620 and bear in mind that when that bunch #decides to put #a repeater on 10 meters that It probably will sound that #bad(or worse). #I agree the #people doing this very #obviously #don't have the #technical ability to properly set up align and maintain something like this. I don't#think#the average CB'er would#put #up #with it long. The #so called (Freebanders) said long ago that #they intended to rob the Licensed amateur #radio operators of all their 10 And 12 meter frequencies and they #didn't really give @##$$%% what the people that had rights to #operate there thought Nor, what the FCC had to #say#about #it either." #The idiots #that #set #up shop and run illegal operatons #FIrst # they have #no #rights #either #there(Freeband) or on the Hambands anywhere. You can't give me #any corn pone reasons#why they have#this supposed #right to operate anywhere they choose I know better and I would #say #that any #radio Amateur #worth #their salt would agree.
If they're operating within the ham bands...we have a right to be concerned - whether it's via repeater, simplex, whatever.

What goes on outside the ham bands, however, is NOT our concern. Period. Unless said operations generate interference to our assigned spectra. Witness the provided excerpt from the May 21, 2005 FCC Enforcement Bulletin. Yes, the FCC does care and will take the appropriate actions when needed. #

Perhaps a quick call to Riley Hollingsworth will affirm this for you? The Enforcement Bulletin excerpt lists what is I believe to be his phone number. Please call the gentleman and state your case. Do post a transcript of your dialog, please.

You and a couple others seem awfully determined to have this system shut down; the reasons for doing so have run the gamut from poor technical implementation to spectrum encroachment to (gasp!) terrorism. The only card which HASN'T been played yet is the ol' "...but it's for the CHILDREN!..." joker. Rather tenuous in their connection, all.

Might one be so bold to inquire as to the REAL reason you're so concerned with this repeater?

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 01 2005,07:55)]yx...and just what IS your point ?
My point is (for the umpteenth time):

Why are you worried about something that is not taking place in the amateur radio bands, and is not interfering with ongoing communications in same?

As I've stated previously:

- We have an ongoing problem with trucking companies using 28.085 and 28.305 as a "company channel";

- We have an ongoing problem with illegal 'phone operation in the CW beacon subband by stations both inside and out of this country;

If you want to make a dent in spectrum piracy, please help us in getting rid of the existing intruders...and give up "...chasing windmills....".

[n8yx]

Updated my avatar accordingly...

[n8yx]

Has anyone called Riley H. regarding this "system" yet?

I've got some vacation time to burn this summer...so here's a little proposition:

If at least three people can give me an -accurate- ( < 2 degrees true) beam heading of the "offender", I will gladly pack a receiver, portable spectrum analyzer and a few other bits of gear I have into my truck and go find the darned thing, whatever it is...

...and should it NOT be a terr, agent of the Clone Army or a representative of Disney World, you can be darned sure I'll post THAT info here as well.

[N3ATS]

No one has any recordings and no one can post any beam headings?

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ June 01 2005,09:48)]No one has any recordings and no one can post any beam headings?
It would appear not.

(Where did I put that "Much ado 'bout nothing" avatar?)

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ June 01 2005,09:36)]Has anyone called Riley H. regarding this "system" yet?

I've got some vacation time to burn this summer...so here's a little proposition:

If at least three people can give me an -accurate- ( < 2 degrees true) beam heading of the "offender", I will gladly pack a receiver, portable spectrum analyzer and a few other bits of gear I have into my truck and go find the darned thing, whatever it is...

...and should it NOT be a terr, agent of the Clone Army or a representative of Disney World, you can be darned sure I'll post THAT info here as well.
I'm not 100% certain, but I think Hollington's job is amateur enforcement, not with anything else. Which means freeband operation that does not interefere with amateur freqs isn't in his shop.

[N3ATS]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ June 01 2005,09:53)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ June 01 2005,09:48)]No one has any recordings and no one can post any beam headings?
It would appear not.

(Where did I put that "Much ado 'bout nothing" avatar?)
Seems to me if people were that concerned by it all, they would take the necessary steps to at least get the ball rolling. No?

No callsigns, no transcripts, no recordings, no beam headings, nothing. Imagine that.

[kj3n]

Has anybody got a "Foaming at the Mouth" avatar for this guy? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 01 2005,13:29)]However, since the above mentioned situation does not appear to be happening on AMATEUR frequencies, it might be questionable as to the status of one #who IS an official observer with regards to the frequency of 27.620 fm.
OOs have no jurisdiction over anything outside of ham bands.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 01 2005,15:16)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 01 2005,13:29)]However, since the above mentioned situation does not appear to be happening on AMATEUR frequencies, it might be questionable as to the status of one #who IS an official observer with regards to the frequency of 27.620 fm.
OOs have no jurisdiction over anything outside of ham bands.
This is correct. No matter how badly we WANT to "...hold sway..." over what happens outside the ham bands, we cannot.

As far as doing something about the freebanders on 10M (and other bands) is concerned:

Every vehicle owned by me or a member of my family (including all of our motorcycles) is equipped with multi-band, multimode transmit/receive capability. When I'm on the road, I'm actively monitoring and taking notes as I identify any ham-band intruders. Likewise when operating from the ham shack, but it's much harder to "ground truth" any offenders when you cannot visually confirm them.

Any and all acquired data is forwarded along...

I don't waste my time on Frankie Freebander or his range of "phreekencies" which lie outside the bands for which I am licensed. The FCC doesn't want that sort of data; only that which is pertinent to the services for which I am licensed.

My offer still stands, however:

If 3 or more stations can provide me with ACCURATE directional headings of the "intruder" - so I'll have a finite #area in which to commence a search - I will find whatever it is that happens to be parked on that frequency.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 01 2005,20:31)]so what happens if you go out & we never hear from you again ?
Trust me...you'll hear from me again.

I'm not afraid to play in the bad neighborhoods.

[n9zxk]

Hey yx you want to use my 44 mag when you go...

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (n9zxk @ June 02 2005,04:56)]Hey yx you want to use my 44 mag when you go...
Nope; don't need it...got one. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

(My favorite big-bore, however, is my .454 Casull...)

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ June 01 2005,09:36)]...and should it NOT be a terr, agent of the Clone Army or a representative of Disney World, you can be darned sure I'll post THAT info here as well.
This just in:

The "repeater" in question is not (repeat, NOT) affiliated with any of the groups mentioned in the quoted text above.

It appears to be a roving repeater, set up by freebanders in the PA/NY area.

(Hint: Google is your friend...IF you know where to look.)

The perpetrators thereof also appear to be having a field day watching everybody on here get their panties in a wad over the thing.

Suggestion: Drop the issue until the system moves into the 10M band. Which I doubt that it ever will.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 02 2005,08:54)]well...why do you keep posting and bring this thread back to the top of the page...IF you want the whole idea dropped ? #That idea should have been mentioned at the TOP #half of page ONE. #( duh )

And since it appears to be ( in your own words ) in the PA/NY area... go for it...find it...this coming weekend. You aint that far away.

Bring back a wild story, with pictures.



Which I did - several pages ago. If anyone keeps bringing this topic up continually, it is you, my friend...

As far as the pictures bit goes...drinking a couple beers with the gents and talking about radiocommunications technology will probably be the most likely scenario. But if they're agreeable to having a few pix of them and their setup taken, who am I not to oblige? By the way...did you want 3x5, 5x7 or 7x9 glossies of those?

Don't know whether 'RFE is a teetotaler or not, but since he's close to that neck of the woods as well, he's welcome join the party if he so desires. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[n8yx]

EP:

By chance - you wouldn't happen to be affiliated with the following organization, would you?

Personal Radio Association (PRA) (http://www.popularwireless.com/pra.html)

[n9zxk]

yx
If you go out man, i got your back

[KF4ZHL]

Here's the answer! If it's true that is......

Post on another site about an illegal repeater. (http://www.talkaboutradio.com/group/rec.radio.cb/messages/388797.html)

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ June 02 2005,09:05)]Don't know whether 'RFE is a teetotaler or not, but since he's close to that neck of the woods as well, he's welcome join the party if he so desires. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
If you're buyin, I'm in.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[AC4BB]

I've said #it and I'll say #it again. Yeah, I firmly believe that #people that #would #set up #an illegal repeater #would if #no one #cared #would surely put on up on 10 meters 12 meters #or #wherever else they #chose #to #do #so , If, we continued #to #have #the #don't care #attitude #as #exibited #by a few on here.

And as #far #as the #fellow with the "Dead horse" avitar, Obivously "One size does fit all". #Up until 1998, we # didn't have anyone #enforcing the rules #Until Riley. Mc Namara, #didn't #Ditty was a joke. But, If #you're not #willing #to help #that's fine Let's #go #back to #the #Old days #When radio #was like #the lawless #west and #wait #until someone#has #to force us to do what's right.




When radio#was #fine http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 02 2005,18:16)]Why provide a LINK to a site that has vulgarity on the first page you see ?
You're delusional.

Or trolling.

Or both.

Unless you deem the following to be "vulgarity":


Readers of PopularWireless Magazine, faced with repeated FCC decisions contributing increased interference levels to GMRS and FRS have had enough. This month, February 2005 the Personal Radio Association was born.

A PRA steering committee is currently looking at the necessary building blocks for a national organization that will represent the interests of individuals and families with investments in two-way radio communications in the General Mobile Radio Service, Family Radio Service, Multi-Use Radio Service, the Citizens Radio Service, and Part-15 devices.

I could quote the page in its entirety, but any here who choose to do so may follow said link in complete safety, even in the presence of children.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ June 02 2005,22:27)]I've said it and I'll say it again. Yeah, I firmly believe that people that would set up an illegal repeater would if no one cared would surely put on up on 10 meters 12 meters or wherever else they chose to do so , If, we continued to have the don't care attitude as exibited by a few on here.

And as far as the fellow with the "Dead horse" avitar, Obivously "One size does fit all". Up until 1998, we didn't have anyone enforcing the rules Until Riley. Mc Namara, didn't Ditty was a joke. But, If you're not willing to help that's fine Let's go back to the Old days When radio was like the lawless west and wait until someone has to force us to do what's right.




When radio was fine http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
And I'll say it once again:

This "system" is NOT a HAM RADIO ISSUE...until it moves into a HAM BAND.

Question: Have you called Riley yet? I'm really curious as to his take on the issue...and/or whom one would be referred to for the registration of a complaint against the repeater.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 02 2005,13:37)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ June 02 2005,09:05)]Don't know whether 'RFE is a teetotaler or not, but since he's close to that neck of the woods as well, he's welcome join the party if he so desires. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
If you're buyin, I'm in.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
I can pick us up a few roundz...

[WA2ZDY]

I beleive the talkaboutradio site is the one referenced with the obscenity and it is indeed there. So . . . whatever.

[KF4ZHL]

I didn't mean to offend, just inform on what I found. I generally provide links instead of copy/paste as a habit to avoid copyright issues. Should I remove the link?

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 03 2005,06:58)]It IS still there...waiting to be read. zdy saw it and so did I and so have others.

------

Why are these folks acting as they do when the situation may be occuring less than 1000 miles away from THEIR OWN home location #( near the PA/NY border ) ?

Are they THAT blind/deaf ? # Those who are reading and not posting #can surely guess.

It might appear that the " dumbing down of America " has gone further than the predictors originally thought.

But if this repeater station EVER gets up enough guts to move into the 10 meter amateur band, then all heck will break loose... signal reports from as far away as Hawaii within the first 2 minutes of radio transmission...but since it aint on an AMATEUR frequency, it aint no big deal....right ? #

Arent humans amazing creatures ?
EP:

I thought that you were referring to the link that I had posted. Sorry about that.

[w7auw]

wonder when someone will build the 1st amp and beam antenna for the frs band and key out the mom trying to find her kids. breaker breaker there roadhog this be the rubberduck how's that rack of q'd ribs a comin! ah hahahahahahah!!!!!!!

[w7auw]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ May 29 2005,08:36)]I'm sure someone is going to say this:

Actually the CBers have a lot of repeaters, though most of them operate on 2 meters.

Unquote.

HAW #(Thanks, SY, for the loan of your word.)

Curious, I just flipped up to 27.620. #Guess it isn't tossing me enough pounds out here in desertland. #My ears is on and a-flippin' and I ain't got no pounds at all a-comin' in on that thar 620 one. #I did slide the Vee-Fo down to Channel 19, and it shore did sound like 27.025 fer sure, fer sure. # Previews of coming attractions on ham radio?

Hey! #Think I just heard a -- yeah, I did -- I heard something on thet thar 620. #(I'm in FM mode on the 706, and I heard a word and a roger beep. #Lotsa roger beeps. #Repeater courtesy tones?)

Holy S-Meters, Batman, a FM repeater on CB. #If so, I wonder what they gain with it?

Ed
doesn't sound much different from 3.840 lsb have you listened there lately what a foul mouth bunch

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 03 2005,06:58)]But if this repeater station EVER gets up enough guts to move into the 10 meter amateur band, then all heck will break loose... signal reports from as far away as Hawaii within the first 2 minutes of radio transmission...but since it aint on an AMATEUR frequency, it aint no big deal....right ? #
That's exactly right. At that point it DOES become an amateur radio problem. And we THEN take action and the FCC should then be listening to us.

Those of you who want to are certainly able to email the FCC and complain, but it isn't a Part 97 violation.

There's (again) not a thing we can do about it. We don't have any radio privileges on 27mhz. It's not part of our bands. If it is not causing interference with our freqs what right do we have in complaining? We have plenty of intruders on 10 meters where we DO have something to say about it and Hollingsworth has jurisdiction over it, and where there's enough complaints, he responds. But I don't think he has jurisdiction over 27.62 and he'd have to refer this to someone else who may just think hams are a bunch of PIAs.

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 03 2005,11:58)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 03 2005,06:58)]But if this repeater station EVER gets up enough guts to move into the 10 meter amateur band, then all heck will break loose... signal reports from as far away as Hawaii within the first 2 minutes of radio transmission...but since it aint on an AMATEUR frequency, it aint no big deal....right ? #
That's exactly right. At that point it DOES become an amateur radio problem. And we THEN take action and the FCC should then be listening to us.

Those of you who want to are certainly able to email the FCC and complain, but it isn't a Part 97 violation.

There's (again) not a thing we can do about it. We don't have any radio privileges on 27mhz. It's not part of our bands. If it is not causing interference with our freqs what right do we have in complaining? We have plenty of intruders on 10 meters where we DO have something to say about it and Hollingsworth has jurisdiction over it, and where there's enough complaints, he responds. But I don't think he has jurisdiction over 27.62 and he'd have to refer this to someone else who may just think hams are a bunch of PIAs.
Right has nothing to do with the issue. Duty is a better choice of words. When you observe a crime being committed, don't you have a moral duty to report that crime to the proper authorities? This repeater operation is a criminal act and should be reported to the proper authorities, in this case the FCC, for action. Or do you believe that if you observe a burgler breaking into your neighbors house you have neither the right nor the duty to report a crime in progress? Operating a radio illegally may not be in the same vein as burglery but it is a crime none the less and the FCC does rely on observant citizens to inform them about radio crimes being committed.

[KF4ZHL]

That is true, but so is speeding. If they're screaming through your neighborhood in front of your house, then you've got a valid complaining point and they'll probably be sympathetic.Try calling the local police with a report of every speeder or other driving infraction you see by going out and hunting around for them. You won't win any popularity contests with them for doing it, that's for sure.

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (WA3KYY @ June 03 2005,12:57)]Right has nothing to do with the issue. Duty is a better choice of words. #When you observe a crime being committed, don't you have a moral duty to report that crime to the proper authorities? #This repeater operation is a criminal act and should be reported to the proper authorities, in this case the FCC, for action. #Or do you believe that if you observe a burgler breaking into your neighbors house you have neither the right nor the duty to report a crime in progress? #Operating a radio illegally may not be in the same vein as burglery but it is a crime none the less and the FCC does rely on observant citizens to inform them about radio crimes being committed.
Sigh.

Okay, IF you heard the station and have it down completely where you've trianglated its location, have vidoetapes, audio tapes, voice stress analysis, photos, licnese plates, etc turn it over to your local FCC office. If you haven't heard it, you cannot make a complaint. I haven't heard it and I have no facts to bear it out as a complaint and I do not listen to any signals outside our bands aside from WWV. I;m not going to make a false report stating this station is on 27.62 and neither should anyone else who has not directly heard it.k Otherwise, it's hearsay and hearsay is not evidence. "I'm complaining about this repeater, yadda yadda yaada and its causing trouble. So-and-so told me about this and I'm mad" goes right into the trashcan because it is not factual.

Don't count on the FCC to drop everything for this. They've probably got their hands full preparing testimoney and evidence for that Galveston person's trial.

[w7auw]

quit your damn whining. WAAH! someones talkin' where they ain't spossed to WAAH! You spend that much time on yer wife you would be a happy man.

[ai4ep]

Well...what I did hear today ( SAturday, June 4, 2005 ) on 27.620 was ---

first tune there 3 pm central time
hear " imitation russian woodpecker jamming sounds " 3;30 - 3;32 pm
off & on hear " voices " that sound like " bleedover or in another mode than fm " 4 - 6 pm.

Nothing else heard 6/4/05 27.620 fm

signal strength of what I DID hear -- s-5 / s-7 ...no variation

no recordings of what I did hear were made.

criticize -- say what you wish... that is the most I have heard all week, but then I DO NOT monitor 27.620 on a 24/7 basis ( or any other cb/amateur frequency. )

Personal thoughts --- no one local to where it is GUESSED to be near wishes to speak up and actually DO any thing....only reports like mine are from over 500 miles away. Constant criticism from others for it even being mentioned since " it aint on an AMATEUR frequency ".

If it even is out there, obviously aint going to jam a frequency, and needs tinkering with to be reliable for local communications ( frs will apparently out-talk it for now ). Folks who own it need to walk up & down local roads picking up aluminum cans ( cause that may be where they got the transmitter to begin with ) to buy more equipment one day around 2008.

My time might be spent better trying to figure out why " some amateurs hate cb op s so much " . ( see seperate thread )

ai4ep

[nz3m]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 03 2005,22:35)]My time might be spent better trying to figure out why " some amateurs hate cb op s so much " . ( see seperate thread )

ai4ep
That's easy. Amateurs have a respect for the rules and regulations. CBers do not. ALL CBers break the rules.


[CITE: 47CFR95.407]
[Page 531]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service
Sec. 95.407 (CB Rule 7) On what channels may I operate?
(a) Your CB station may transmit only on the following channels (frequencies):
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Frequency
Channel (megahertz--MHz)
--------------------------=====--------------------------------
1................................................. ... 26.965
2................................................. ... 26.975
3................................................. ... 26.985
4................................................. ... 27.005
5................................................. ... 27.015
6................................................. ... 27.025
7................................................. ... 27.035
8................................................. ... 27.055
9..........................................-.... \*1\27.065
10................................................ .... 27.075
11................................................ .... 27.085
12................................................ .... 27.105
13................................................ .... 27.115
14................................................ .... 27.125
15................................................ .... 27.135
16................................................ .... 27.155
17................................................ .... 27.165
18................................................ .... 27.175
19................................................ .... 27.185
20................................................ .... 27.205
21................................................ .... 27.215
22................................................ .... 27.225
23................................................ .... 27.255
24................................................ .... 27.235
25................................................ .... 27.245
26................................................ .... 27.265
27................................................ .... 27.275
28................................................ .... 27.285
29................................................ .... 27.295
30................................................ .... 27.305
31................................................ .... 27.315
32................................................ .... 27.325
33................................................ .... 27.335
34................................................ .... 27.345
35................................................ .... 27.355
36................................................ .... 27.365
37................................................ .... 27.375
38................................................ .... 27.385
39................................................ .... 27.395
40................................................ .... 27.405
---------------------------------------------------------
\*1\ See paragraph (b) of this section.

(b) Channel 9 may be used only for emergency communications or for traveler assistance.
&copy; You must, at all times and on all channels, give priority to emergency communication messages
concerning the immediate safety of life or the immediate protection of property.
(d) You may use any channel for emergency communications or for traveler assistance.
(e) You must share each channel with other users.
(f) The FCC will not assign any channel for the private or exclusive use of any particular CB station
or group of stations.
(g) The FCC will not assign any channel for the private of exclusive use of CB stations transmitting
single sideband or AM.



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[CITE: 47CFR95.413]
[Page 533]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service
Sec. 95.413 (CB Rule 13) What communications are prohibited?
(a) You must not use a CB station - -
(1) In connection with any activity which is against federal, state or local law;
(2) To transmit obscence, indecent or profane words, language or meaning;
(3) To interfere intentionally with the communications of another CB station;
(4) To transmit one-way communications, except for emergency communications, traveler
assistance, brief tests (radio checks), or voice paging;
(5) To advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or services;
(6) To transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain;
(7) To transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention;
(8) To transmit the word ``MAYDAY'' or any other international distress signal, except when
your station is located in a ship, aircraft or other vehicle which is threatened by grave and
imminent danger and your are requesting immediate assistance;
(9) To communicate with, or attempt to communicate with, any CB station more than 250
kilometers
(155.3 miles) away;
(10) To advertise a political candidate or political campaign; (you may use your CB radio for the
business or organizational aspects of a campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules);
(11) To communicate with stations in other countries, except General Radio Service stations in
Canada; or
(12) To transmit a false or deceptive communication.
(b) You must not use a CB station to transmit communications for live or delayed rebroadcast on
a radio or television broadcast station. You may use your CB station to gather news items or
to prepare programs.



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[CITE: 47CFR95.410]
[Page 532]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service
Sec. 95.410 (CB Rule 10) How much power may I use?
(a) Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the following values under any conditions:
AM (A3)--4 watts (carrier power) SSB--12 watts (peak envelope power).
(b) If you need more information about the power rule, see the technical rules in subpart E of part 95.
&copy; Use of a transmitter which has carrier or peak envelope power in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the station.



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[CITE: 47CFR95.425]
[Page 536]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service
Sec. 95.425 (CB Rule 25) May I make any changes to my CB station transmitter?
(a) You must not make or have any one else make any internal modification to your CB transmitter.
(b) Internal modification does not include:
(1) Repair or servicing of a CB station transmitter (see CB Rule 24, Sec. 95.424); or
(2) Changing plug-in modules which were certificated as part of your CB transmitter.
&copy; You must not operate a CB transmitter which has been modified by anyone in any way, including
modification to operate on unauthorized frequencies or with illegal power. (See CB Rules 9 and 11,
Secs. 95.409 and 95.411.)
[48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, as amended at 63 FR 36610, July 7, 1998]



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TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service
Sec. 95.411 (CB Rule 11) May I use power amplifiers?
(a) You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to your certificated CB transmitter in any way:
(1) External radio frequency (RF) power amplifiers (sometimes called linears or linear amplifiers); or
(2) Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as a signal source, are capable
of amplifying the signal.
(b) There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power amplifier voids your authority to operate the station.
&copy; The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external RF power amplifier if--
(1) It is in your possession or on your premises; and
(2) There is other evidence that you have operated your CB station with more power than allowed by
CB Rule 10, Sec. 95.410.
(d) Paragraph &copy; of this section does not apply if you hold a license in another radio service which allows
you to operate an external RF power amplifier.
[48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, as amended at 63 FR 36610, July 7, 1998]



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[CITE: 47CFR95.408]
[Page 552-553]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service
Sec. 95.408 (CB Rule 8) How high may I put my antenna?
(a) Antenna means the radiating system (for transmitting, receiving or both) and the structure
holding it up (tower, pole or mast). It also means everything else attached to the radiating system
and the structure.
(b) If your antenna is mounted on a hand-held portable unit, none of the following limitations apply.
&copy; If your antenna is installed at a fixed location, it (whether receiving, transmitting or both) must
comply with either one of the following:
(1) The highest point must not be more than 6.10 meters (20 feet) higher than the highest point
of the building or tree on which it is mounted; or
(2) The highest point must not be more than 18.3 meters (60 feet) above the ground.
(d) If your CB station is located near an airport, and if you antenna structure is more than 6.1 meters
(20 feet) high, you may have to obey additional restrictions. The highest point of your antenna
must not exceed one meter above the airport elevation for every hundred meters of distance from
the nearest point of the nearest airport runway.
Differences in ground elevation between your antenna and the airport runway may complicate this
formula. If your CB station is near an airport, you may contact the nearest FCC field office for a
worksheet to help you figure the maximum allowable height of your antenna. Consult part 17 of the
FCC's Rules for more information.
[[Page 553]]
WARNING: Installation and removal of CB station antennas near powerlines is dangerous. For your
safety, follow the installation directions included with your antenna.
[48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, as amended at 48 FR 41416, Sept. 15, 1983]



Dave
ps. I don't hate CB ops, but a little respect for the rules might help THEM be respected.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (AB3BK @ June 04 2005,21:56)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 03 2005,22:35)]My time might be spent better trying to figure out why " some amateurs hate cb op s so much " . ( see seperate thread )

ai4ep
That's easy. Amateurs have a respect for the rules and regulations. CBers do not. ALL CBers break the rules.
Mighty broad brush you're painting with there...

I use CB. As do my XYL and a number of friends in several motorcycle touring organizations whom we ride with. I'm the only one in the bunch with a ham ticket.

All of our bike-mounted CB rigs are completely "stock". No one shoots skip, harasses the truckers on CH. 19 or acts the RF equivalent of a 3-yr-old.

Yes, there are people who cannot or will not follow "...the rules...", but you'll find those in any service.

[AC4BB]

The people that are operating this Illegal repeater on an Illegal frequency I believe in no way represent the Legal and law abiding Operators at all. I however am Convinced that the people that operate that repeater ARE however people that are renegades and outlaws(That's what they call themselves) And i hope they do mess up and get caught. They need to be taught that they cannot just do anything contrary to the law that they please and not suffer the consequences of their action. That's what laws and the people that enforce them are all about.


And yes it's not within the amateur bands, But, putting that aside if the lawbreakers or bootleggers aren't stopped at our very front door where will they be stopped.? And who will stop them once they get in.?

[ai4ep]

...so what exactly do you wish for other amateurs & cb ops to actually do ? --- stop monitoring / talking on 75 meters -- 20 meters --- 2 meters ---channel 19 and listen on this ONE FREQUENCY of 27.620 fm and give reports for you 24 / 7 ??

Are we supposed to stop what we used to do on a SUNDAY afternoon / evening and listen to this one frequency --- no network tv...no sitting on the front porch...no visiting the kinfolks; cause we all HAVE to sit by the radio and listen for this " flaky muffled station " to key up & say something. Shucks, with all the PUBLICITY this frequency now has, there might be a couple of new stations come in and take over the frequency, and we never will get to hear the ORIGINAL one again. (( dern, I hate that when it happens )) :0

This station COULD be lying in saying the location of where they are, knowing that YOU are listening to them...they might be right in your own neighborhood instead of where they SAY they are (oops).

Next time some folks get a great signal to it, disconnect your rig and take the rig to a local CB operators home that has a great set of BEAM ANTENNAS , hook up the rig and get a signal report from the beam antennas....( gasp...what an idea...to use a set of beams !!...whowouldhaveeverthunkofthat? )

This thread is going on 12 pages, with no clear answer in sight...but many folks who want to sit at home and let every one ELSE do all the work ( sounds like another group I heard of...but more local ).

But why worry, they arent on an AMATEUR frequency...so who cares ?

But if they ever get BIG Enuf to move up in frequency to above 28.000 Mhz...THEN (and only then ) will it be important...then within 3 minutes or less we will hear signal reports from Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, southern tip of Florida, southern California, etc. possibly folks on the arctic and antarctic polar regions.

mo latr ( breakfast --- 3 eggs, sausage/bacon/2 glass of milk ---just a snack till lunch !! )

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 04 2005,07:29)]...so what exactly do you wish for other amateurs & cb ops to actually do ? --- stop monitoring / talking on 75 meters -- 20 meters --- 2 meters ---channel 19 #and listen on this ONE FREQUENCY of 27.620 #fm and give reports for you 24 / 7 #??

Are we supposed to stop what we used to do on a SUNDAY afternoon / evening and listen to this one frequency --- no network tv...no sitting on the front porch...no visiting the kinfolks; cause we all HAVE to sit by the radio and listen for this " flaky muffled station " #to key up & say something. #Shucks, with all the
I don't do any of those things anyway so not a problem.

[ai4ep]

Man that was one mean breakfast !!

Now we listen to 27.620 FM ( not am, not ssb ) to try to hear this " weak, distorted, muffled station " that aint supposed to be here ( on this frequency ) ....what do we do AFTER we hear it ? Report it here for the whole world to see and criticize ? Keep it to our selves ? Send an e-mail to the fcc ( whichever branch handles this kind of info ? ) Talk about it on the local 2 meter repeater ( which one, there are SOOOO many ...Huntsville, Birmingham, plus the small town repeaters all over north Alabama )..and if we do THAT, WHO do you talk about it TO ? You cant discuss this kind of info with just any ole hamster, some will think you fell out of your rocking chair and bumped your head on the deck railing....oops dropped my HT and now I cant reach it under the table.

So even IF we DO actually hear this " weak trashy station " what do you DO next ? My raddio wont transmit there any way, so hollaring at it wont do any good...........................I guess just post HERE for all the world to see since no one else has any BETTER ideas.

There ! Finally got back in my rocking chair, now the batteries have gone dead in the ole 2 meter H T....dern...and just when I actually had something important to say ...oh well. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

mo latr when I have nothing else to do...ai4ep

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (AB3BK @ June 04 2005,21:56)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 03 2005,22:35)]My time might be spent better trying to figure out why " some amateurs hate cb op s so much #" . ( see seperate thread )

ai4ep
That's easy. #Amateurs have a respect for the rules and regulations. #CBers do not. #ALL CBers break the rules.
All CBers violate the rules, huh? CBers are those who use the 40 channel band assigned to them. The other people who go outside of those channels are no longer CBers. They're pirate operators. All the hell being raised about that alleged repeater on 27.62 properly rests with people who are NOT USING CB!

My daughter and son-in-law have CBs installed in their two vehicles. They rarely use them to transmit. They have them because there are many miles of highway between where they live and where I live where the cellular service is difficult to connect with. My daughter drives to my house alone at times - a 2.5 hour drive - and if she has an emergency enroute she knows someone on CB will call for help on the landline if she cannot get cellular to work. At one point, she came across a serious accident on her way home from work. She stopped to render what assistance she could, and could not get her phone to work. She didn't have a CB in the car at that time and no one else had a CB or phone that worked. She's an X-ray tech at a regional medical center and does mostly OR and trauma films. Eventually a trucker equipped with a radio called it in. What sort of radio it was is unknown, but the State Police here routinely monitor channel 9 as do other police personnel. They bought the radios, I got the antennas and installed and tuned them. Told duaghter she should take First Responder training if she was going to stop for an accident. She did, I put a medical bag in her car. (I used to be an active member of a large and very busy volunteer fire/EMS unit, now retired. And taught EMTs.)

They don't break any rules. Other members of my fire/EMS unit have barefoot CBs in their vehicles. They say they rarely transmit on theirs and listen to it as that's the quickest way they find out about accidents and other emergencies on the highways around here and just about all members have emergency gear in their vehicles. Everyone also has mobil receivers on fire dispatch and available members close by respond directly to the scene. They don't violate any rules. I see parked cars all around here with plain CBs and plain antennas. Nothing suspicious at all.

Your statement that all CBers violate rules is ludicrous.

[K4KWH]

I use a little Rat Shack 6 channel I bought in '76 to listen when traveling. Mostly it is off....until brake lights start coming on. Then I quietly listen for the truckers to tell me which lane to get in, and I strive to do that long before it is difficult. That is the extent of my CB-ing.:p Somehow I just never could get "into" CB at all.:)

[KD7WHQ]

I have a CB in the car. The 11m antenna sits on the trunk lid right next to the Larsen 5/8 wave 2m antenna, and that has led to some curious Q&A in parking lots, lol ;)

I'll turn it on if traffic gets tight, or there is something else odd happening, but thats about it.

Then there was the girl in the market a few weeks back, who volunteered that her boyfriend was a trucker, and his radio had more than 100 channels on CB.

Too bad my YL (also licensed) put her off.. I was going to try to get some information, and educate at the same time.

She got the education, but..

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 03 2005,15:08)]Sigh.

Okay, IF you heard the station and have it down completely #where you've trianglated its location, have vidoetapes, audio tapes, voice stress analysis, photos, licnese plates, etc turn it over to your local FCC office.
Nope, none of that is needed to make a report to the FCC about an illegal operation. All that is needed is date, time, frequency and what was heard or a tape recording if you have one. The rest is up to the FCC if they wish to persue it. They are the ones who have to gather legally binding evidence with which to issue citations and NALs.

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (WA3KYY @ June 06 2005,06:20)]Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 03 2005,15:08)]Sigh.

Okay, IF you heard the station and have it down completely #where you've trianglated its location, have vidoetapes, audio tapes, voice stress analysis, photos, licnese plates, etc turn it over to your local FCC office.
Nope, none of that is needed to make a report to the FCC about an illegal operation. #All that is needed is date, time, frequency and what was heard or a tape recording if you have one. #The rest is up to the FCC if they wish to persue it. #They are the ones who have to gather legally binding evidence with which to issue citations and NALs.
FCC is much more likely to act on a complaint if they are provided with evidence obtained by another. That is obvious. Read the enforcement bulletins. "Evidence before the Commission" refers directly to that. Sure, you can just make a complaint but do you actually think they're gonna do anything with just a complaint? Doubtful. The more physical (tapes, df info, videos) evidence you give them, the more likely they'll take steps. "Vioce stress analysis" was a joke.

[ai4ep]

Would it be impolite to ask some to make an AUDIO tape of this station, and run it through their computer and provide all of us a " link " to hear it for ourselves ?

I know some COULD just make a cassette tape of any ol conversation on any channel of a cb rig and SAY otherwise...but please remember to include the " roger beeps "...ok ?

Hoping to see a post with that LINK soon !!

Others besides Me would love to hear it....

[ai4ep]

Every one else is still patiently waiting. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

27.025 is full of idiots! That is CB Channel 6. I keep hearing "Hey Mr. 42 in Denver,....We up, we here,we gone, see ya bye,bye,bye". and "we're being heard worldwide!". Has anyone else listened to them?

[ai4ep]

no they are just being their self.

Showing their intelligence with every word of every radio transmission.

There ar LIDS on CB & AMATEUR bands. I dont use part of MY day to listen to such.

These folks ( on cb & amateur & in-between) are just showing each and every one who CAN hear their station just how smart they are. They are just being their self.

--- simple & to the point ---

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (KC0TKB @ June 07 2005,13:50)]27.025 is full of idiots! That is CB Channel 6. I keep hearing "Hey Mr. 42 in Denver,....We up, we here,we gone, see ya bye,bye,bye". and "we're being heard worldwide!". Has anyone else listened to them?
Yeah, so? If there's so many idiots, why are you wasting your time listening to em? CB is CB. Amateur Radio is Amateur Radio. Who cares what CBers do on their legal band? Not me. I don't care what the "freeband" pirates do, either. If they stay off of ham freqs, they can do whatever they want.

73

[ai4ep]

Hey...there are LIDS on both the CB & AMATEUR bands... all you have to do is LISTEN.

No, I aint referring to YOU, just the dood whose voice is rattling your speaker.

Aint you got any one better to listen to ?

Dont you have a VFO / channel selector ? Use it.

NO ONE is forcing you to listen to that garbage...improve your life -- tune elsewhere.


Why are you punishing your self by listening to that stuff ?

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BTW..still patiently waiting for the LINK to hear the folks on 27.620 fm ...will the wait be much longer ?

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mo latr ai4ep http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 07 2005,14:50)]Quote[/b] (KC0TKB @ June 07 2005,13:50)]27.025 is full of idiots! That is CB Channel 6. I keep hearing "Hey Mr. 42 in Denver,....We up, we here,we gone, see ya bye,bye,bye". and "we're being heard worldwide!". Has anyone else listened to them?
Yeah, so? If there's so many idiots, why are you wasting your time listening to em? CB is CB. Amateur Radio is Amateur Radio. Who cares what CBers do on their legal band? Not me. I don't care what the "freeband" pirates do, either. If they stay off of ham freqs, they can do whatever they want.

73
Sometimes usefull to see if 10 or 12 might be open..

Only problem is they all sound alike, so hard to tell where they are from..

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 13 2005,08:56)]Sometimes usefull to see if 10 or 12 might be open..

Only problem is they all sound alike, so hard to tell where they are from..
Just as useful to go onto 10 or 12 and listening.....

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 13 2005,12:15)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 13 2005,08:56)]Sometimes usefull to see if 10 or 12 might be open..

Only problem is they all sound alike, so hard to tell where they are from..
Just as useful to go onto 10 or 12 and listening.....
I heard the "'Bowl" open up Saturday evening...hot-footed it to 10M and swept the lower 500 KHz looking for activity...

Zip. Zero. Nada.

Called CQ for about 10 minutes and had a WB4 reply, fresh from getting a good drenching courtesy of Arlene. Save for that station, I didn't hear any other activity except for a few beacons.

[ai4ep]

But you have to remember that with the RF transmitted on cb channel 6 they create their own conditions...even when the rest of the cb channels are quiet...except for channel 19 of course. So using C B channel 6 as a " band opening indicator " for 10 / 12 meters wont work .

But then, YOU already knew that.

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 13 2005,13:21)]But you have to remember that with the RF transmitted on cb channel 6 #they create their own conditions...even when the rest of the cb channels are quiet...except for channel 19 of course. #So using #C B channel 6 as a " band opening indicator " for 10 / 12 meters wont work .

But then, YOU already knew that.
Well of COURSE I did! Don't be ridiculous!

[ve2nsm]

Put your tongue back in, clean that foamy saliva off your mouth. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

They (yes, there are two of them, one at 27600KHz and one at 27620KHz, both with a +200KHz split) are not in the US, so you should not bother about it no? After all, the UK has it's CB band around these frequencies and they are in FM mode. Not all the world is bound to the rules of the FCC ;-)

There's a link (http://eaulive.free.fr/repet/specs_eng.htm) that may interest you, the rest of the website is mostly in french.

[ai4ep]

It took 13 pages of posts to come to THIS conclusion ?

...took long enough !

[ve2nsm]

Someone was obviously not googling well enough...
Type 27620KHz in google and press "I'm feeling lucky" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KD7WHQ]

Interesting..

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (KD7WHQ @ June 16 2005,20:01)]Interesting..
You think?

[ai4ep]

not really, bur exciting for boring times

[ve2nsm]

I don't know, this post has been running for 14 pages so I thought there was something to it...

[ai4ep]

Nah...I guess the most EXCITING news was one page back where some one announced the repeater was ....( I forgot already )...and of course I replied with " it took THAT long for THAT to be noticed " ...?

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 17 2005,14:47)]Nah...I guess the most EXCITING news was one page back where some one announced the repeater was ....( I forgot already )...and of course I replied with " it took THAT long for THAT to be noticed " ...?
Yeah, but you're not supposed to notice the notice.....

[ve2nsm]

I noticed that the notice did not go unnoticed though...

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ June 17 2005,19:25)]I noticed that the notice did not go unnoticed though...
I noticed that!

[K8EEI]

Why would you want to tune across 11 meters ? If you want to check propogation the 10 meter beacons work .

I don't care what the good ol' boys do as long as they stay off of 10 meters . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (K8EEI @ June 18 2005,13:05)]Why would you want to tune across 11 meters ? If you want to check propogation the 10 meter beacons work .

I don't care what the good ol' boys do as long as they stay off of 10 meters . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Perhaps you didn't notice it, but we gave notice that this thread has been hijacked.

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (K8EEI @ June 18 2005,13:05)]Why would you want to tune across 11 meters ? If you want to check propogation the 10 meter beacons work .

I don't care what the good ol' boys do as long as they stay off of 10 meters . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Everytimes I check for a 10m beacon I hear "tain-fore"... is that normal?

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ June 18 2005,14:11)]Quote[/b] (K8EEI @ June 18 2005,13:05)]Why would you want to tune across 11 meters ? If you want to check propogation the 10 meter beacons work .

I don't care what the good ol' boys do as long as they stay off of 10 meters . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Everytimes I check for a 10m beacon I hear "tain-fore"... is that normal?
I never noticed that...

[ve2nsm]

For the ones who asked, I made a recording of the 27600 machine earlier this evening, I just can't seem to be able to put it online though. It weights less than 1024000 bytes... strange http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ai4ep]

git er done...hurry up !!

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 19 2005,09:05)]git er done...hurry up !!
I'm trying.. it doesn't work http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I see the traffic of my file beeing uploaded but at the end nothing gets posted http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[KA3RFE]

Is it even possible to transfer a .wav file or whatever to this BBS system?

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ June 19 2005,12:57)]Is it even possible to transfer a .wav file or whatever to this BBS system?
At the bottom of the page it's said:

You may attach a file to this message.
Maximum file size (in bytes): 1024000

My file is 985600 bytes http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ai4ep]

You could possibly tape about 2 minutes of traffic on cb 19 or cb channel 6 and say it came from 27.620 and not many folks could tell the difference..... ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 19 2005,14:16)]You could possibly tape about 2 minutes of traffic on cb 19 or cb channel 6 and say it came from 27.620 and not many folks could tell the difference..... ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Mmmm, well if you don't hear the difference between an FM HF repeater and some truckers on AM, I think you should change hobby http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ai4ep]

well... your system aint that well...to prove your point..let us hear some AUDIO instead of excuses !!

[ai4ep]

git 'er done...hurry up !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 19 2005,15:18)]well... your system aint that well...to prove your point..let us hear some AUDIO instead of excuses !!
Well, I'm trying to get this file online but it seems that it's not working.

[ve2nsm]

Anyways, the one I got last night was not from 27620, but from 27600 if I remember well.

[ve2nsm]

Ok, let's see if this works, I found two servers...

one (http://rapidshare.de/files/2490564/june18.mp3.html)
two (http://megaupload.com/?d=15HZ4CIR)

The first link is kind of strange, you have to choose "free" download at the bottom of page, and then wait for another 10 seconds before the download button actually appears.

[ai4ep]

...I tried it...it wont work.

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 19 2005,17:07)]...I tried it...it wont work.
Well, sorry for you, I tried it, and both links works.

[ai4ep]

nsm...no need in continuing to try to LINK it up...it just aint worth the effort.

Even if there were 1 million LINKS ..FCC aint going to actually DO any thing about it

we all know that

since

it aint on CB or AMATEUR frequencies
it aint interfering with emergency communications any where

it aint that important to either service ( cb or ham ) to pressure the FCC to try to catch them ( since by law it aint on either service s bands legally )

so ( if you wanna ) let us just fergit it.

I grow tired of " beating my head against a concrete wall " trying to get folks to actually CARE enuf to actually DO something about violations ( like the 3.919 thread ) ...but apparently no one is going to attempt to DO any thing until it effects them personally in a major way of their communications on a hourly/daily basis. It is like they say " it aint my problem " .

But thank you for trying...that took spunk / guts, which is getting to be rare these days.

When you tune thru the bands and you hear abvious violations and you mention them HERE 9 or any other website ) all you get in reply is ---
1) it aint my problem
2) who cares ?
3) what are you..some kind of O O ?
4) the fcc dont care
5) oh shucks, another "frequency cop " !!
6) some other smart aleck one-liner remark !

Folks just do NOT care no more.

The " dumbing down of AMERICA " continues in so many different ways, and this is ONE of those ways.

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 19 2005,17:25)]nsm...no need in continuing to try to LINK it up...it just aint worth the effort.

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