Just an idle thought. An idea if you would.

[KF4ZHL]

Two of the hottest issues in any hams mind is the code/no-code for generals debate and the intrusion in ten meters.

Here's a thought. Give ten meter access to the NCT's! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif They won't complain about no HF privs anymore, code stays on as a requirement for general and higher, and you can "pass the buck" on the ten meter intrusion problem!

Everyones happy, right? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif


Disclaimer: This post is made primarily in jest, just to pull a chain or two. As I thought about it though, it almost made sense. Maybe it's the medication for my shoulder?

[W5MJL]

The "want" group will always "want" more by doing less.

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (KF4ZHL @ May 25 2005,09:56)]Everyones happy, right? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Probably not. Not until "test free" ham radio has arrived, as a birthright.

Ed

[K9STH]

There were several petitions to the FCC that would basically give the "Technician +" privileges to the no-code Technicians. This would allow them to operate using CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10 meters, plus SSB on 10 meters. So far the FCC has not made any determination on these petitions as well as numerous others.

This would allow the NCT to get their "feet wet" using CW even though they had not as yet passed Element 1.

Back in the "goode olde dayes" when the entry level was a Novice Class that required the passing of the 5 word per minute International Morse code test and the Novice only had CW privileges on 80, 40, and 15 meters, plus CW and phone privileges on the 145 MHz to 147 MHz band, most Novices used CW. Frankly, until the new operator "got the hang of it" there were some pretty "sloppy" CW operators using the Novice bands. But, as the Novice got some experience he/she got better with their code abilities until they finally upgraded to General at 13 words per minute.

Since Element 1 is now only 5 words per minute, it wouldn't take much time at all until most NCT operators could easily pass the test if they were willing to spend some time actually using CW.

Glen, K9STH

[wg7x]

Ken, KF4ZHL SEZ:

Quote[/b] ]
Two of the hottest issues in any hams mind is the code/no-code for generals debate and the intrusion in ten meters.



Ken:

The problem with that statement is that it is too broad. #Many hams have other issues, and the list is endless, depending on where your particular intersts lie.

I can understand why an NCT might be interested in lowering the bar on Morse. It does not follow that since some folks are interested, all should be interested.

Nice try though...

The intruder issue on ten is a biggie all right, but giving NCT's access to ten meters would not change that #since most of the intruders are below the phone band. Note I said most, not all. In effect you would still have to use CW/RTTY/DIGITAL modes to see the problem.

What some may see as a bigger issue is why some folks always want to lower standards rather than meet the existing standard?

Lord knows, I procrastinated for years about learing Morse, but once I actually started, it was easier than I had thought it would be. The anticipation FAR exceeded the actual event.

So... if you really want privledges on ten, they are there for the taking, all it requires is that the person wanting them desires it enough to buckle down and, (to coin a phrase), Just Do It!

73, Gary WG7X

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] ]Back in the "goode olde dayes" when the entry level was a Novice Class that required the passing of the 5 word per minute International Morse code test and the Novice only had CW privileges on 80, 40, and 15 meters.

I loved the novice class although I was not a novice for very long. The bands were loaded with other novices. We all worked each other, and normally got our speed up to 13 wpm in less than 2 months. It was fun, and exciting.

[k7unz]

Okay, a little off topic, but related to the last few posts...


Frankly, I'd like to see a return to the days of yesteryear (well, the days of pre-incentive licensing anyway....).

We had a pretty good system before the ARRL pulled the "incentive" thing out of it's butt, and created the mess we have today.

Novice, Tech, General, Extra were all there were, with most guys happy at General 'cos that's where you got "full" privledges. #Extra got you nothing in the way of increased privledges, but a whole of guys got 'em for the personal satisfaction it gave them. #With the current VE testing system, there is no need for the old Conditional class ticket. #Re-instate the same privledges that existed back then, and let's get back to basics.

Oh yeah, one other thing.....bring back a call sign system that actually told you something about the call holder! #Remember when it took 25+ years licensed to be eligable to get a 1X2 call sign? #Remember when a K2 call ment the guy was in 2-land, or he would have to sign "/" whatever?

Jeeze, I'm getting old.....but you know what? #Things made more sense, and were much more clear than they are now.

And the ARRL, after creating the "incentive" thing that would enhance the technical knowledge of each and every operator, is now pushing for just the opposite.

Okay, off the soap box......just my opinion of the whole thing.

Jim/k7unz

[KF4ZHL]

Now don't jump on me too hard here. I have long accepted the fact that code is part of the testing, and have even learned the alphabet about halfway so far. Code is one of the more daunting reasons people don't upgrade though. I know I've procrastinated plenty. It's easy to do, especialy if you have a lot of other hobbies, passtimes, and responsibilities like I do. Anyway, I digress. Though I've accepted the fact that one must learn code to progress, that doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it. Putting aside the argued difficulty of the written portion, most pro-code advocates seem to be of the mindset that you should need to know code to be an amateur, period. I'm not sure I understand that logic. What specific ability does code grant that makes you a better operator or more qualified to operate other modes? Is it simply the fact that it's tradition? Some ritual trial that must be passed to be fully accepted as a ham? Certainly the test difficulty can be arguably too easy, that logic I understand, but that still doesn't address why one absolutely NEEDS to know code. Except to operate CW that is.

[wg7x]

Hi Ken,

Well, we certainly don't want to start yet another long-winded code vs no-code thread.

So lets not go there.

The simple fact is that historically this Service has always had a more difficult set of entry requirements. Initially, these requirements were set by the government, and it was undersood that to enter the Service, one had to adhere to the standard. This standard was set high because each govenrment had a vested interest in ensuring that thier Amateur radio operators would not cause interference to other licensed services.

Our Service/hobby is different than many other activities in this respect, but there are other activities that also require licensing of some sort in order to ensure that nothing bad happens. Take SCUBA diving for instance. You would not want to have a diving partner who was not certified because that would put both of you at risk. I would guess that some beginning divers chafe at all the things that they are forced to learn, but they do it if they want the certification.

So do we. We may not always agree with the requirements, but they are there for a reason. In both of the activities I mentioned, you must demonstrate a mastery of a certain skill in order to progress. In our case it is a familiarity with Morse code. At five words per minutes, that's all it is too, just a familiarity. You don't even have to show that you are good at it, only that you recognize the characters.

This would be the same if amateur radio required a knowledge of advanced mathmatics. The requirement must be mastered before you can advance to the next step. Complaining about the requirements to those who have already met the challenge seems a little trite.

I don't speak for anyone but myself, but no matter what the requirements were I would still do my best to meet them, and if I could not meet the test, I guess that I would have to try something else.

So... Is this really about code vs no code?

No. This is about meeting the requirements for the license whatever they may be. And if the old timers feel that they had to climb a steeper mountain, well give them the respect due to them and go climb your own mountain!

73 Gary WG7X

BTW, I consider anyone who takes the time to get a license, no matter what grade, a fellow Amateur radio operator.

[KD6NIG]

Speaking as a NCT myself:

I have issues learning the code. Mostly a mental block. Not that I wouldn't mind having access to the 'lower' part of the spectrum, but the basic thing is, when I became a NCT, I went into it knowing that I was taking a first step. Getting my feet wet.

Now that I have done so, I know what I need to do to take the next step. And until I do, I'm happy with what I have, and I don't expect more to be handed to me.

I do get some ribbing from others who have the code to get my code. And thats good-by doing so, it keeps it on my mind, and pushes me harder to get past my mental block and decode the code of Morse.

Don't get me wrong either though, if more privledges were handed to me, I would probably utilize them, but I'm not going to sit here and wait for that to happen either.

Can't we all just get along? We're all Hams, wether we have a long, short or whatever callsign http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

But speaking at least for myself as a no-code tech, you don't need to hand me anything, I have no issue with earning it, and even if they do drop the requirement, I hope they keep the test around and the ability to have the endorsement listed on my licence-just so I can say that I learned and know the code that many before me have used.

73, Joshua KD6NIG

[K9STH]

UNZ:

You forgot the Advanced Class. Those who held a Class "A" license before the "new" classes were awarded an Advanced Class license. There were no new Advanced Class licenses issued until 22 November 1967, but they could be renewed. There also was the Conditional Class which was the same as General but originally you had to live more than 75 miles from a site at which the FCC gave examinations at least twice a year. The distance was later extended to 175 miles.

The original Class "B" licensees became General and the original Class "C" licensees became Conditional. However, since the Conditional Class was given by mail if the amateur moved so that he/she was within the distance requirement they had to retest and take the General under the direction of an FCC engineer. The same thing if the person wanted to upgrade to Extra.

The Extra Class got you nothing except a certificate and the fact that you had to hold a General Class or Advanced Class for at least 2 years before you could take the test. Conditional Class had to first take the General Class examination.

All classes of licenses from Conditional through Extra had full privileges until 22 November 1968. However, the "new" licenses were started on 22 November 1967.

Glen, K9STH

[K0RGR]

The ARRL website has a story about the FCC Forum at Dayton - it is likely that we will see FCC's proposal in late summer or early fall - probably a bit later than we had expected, with yet another round of comments, and no final report and order until sometime next year. There were no hints given as to which way the Commission is leaning, apparently.

The issue with the NCT's is their isolation on VHF/UHF, paticularly in rural areas where there is just no activity. One of the team leaders in our group informed me the other day that he was a longtime ham - 3rd generation, member of a big ham family. His 2 meter rig is for sale. Never found anybody to talk to. Says he got chased off all the repeaters every time he tried to use it. I showed him Echolink and that raised some interest, but he's probably soon to be gone. Another NCT bites the dust. He's a nice guy too - more conservative than FAP, even.

These guys need someplace they can go to be on the air at night after the 5 o'clock rush hour and the 'make contacts' net goes away. I don't think they really need or deserve to be on the premiere DX bands. If I were king, I would not even give them phone priveleges - it would be CW and digital priveleges, only, and low power too. But if FCC insists on only having 3 license classes, then the ARRL proposal looks like the most logical solution.

[ai4ep]

.....just another " gimme, gimme, gimme " crowd idea ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Just learn the morse code, or is that too much work ?

Do you think you are better than all those who have passed the code test ?

Quit wasting your time reading this post and start studying the morse code....or cant you LEARN it ?

Are you " special " ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ May 25 2005,20:45)]These guys need someplace they can go to be on the air at night after the 5 o'clock rush hour and the 'make contacts' net goes away. #I don't think they really need or deserve to be on the premiere DX bands. #If I were king, I would not even give them phone priveleges - it would be CW and digital priveleges, only, and low power too. #But if FCC insists on only having 3 license classes, then the ARRL proposal looks like the most logical solution.
Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. I have no problem with giving anyone cw hf privileges until they can pass their test for general. I would put a time limit of 1 year to upgrade though.

[ai4ep]

nope...no " 1 year upgrade "...let them upgrade the old fashioned way ( like it is done now ). FCC has enough rules & regulations already.

Keep it simple, just like it is....folks are passing the morse code test every week...proof the current system works fine just like it is.

LEARN the code...others can... others DO.

[k7unz]

Hi Glen, and all the others....

Actually, didn't forget the Advanced license. #I just didn't mention it as they were not being issued until incentive licensing brought them back to life. #Sort of like the Novice ticket now, huh?

Actually did mention the Conditional (I was one of those once upon a time....in Montana), but with all the VE testing going on now, there really isn't much reason to have such a thing again.

What most of the newer guys don't realize is that the General had ALL the privledges prior to incentive licensing. #The current portioned-out-by license-class #band plan was a result of incentive licensing, and the advanced/extra segments previously had been general territory as well. #Essentially, if you were a general at the time, you woke up one day to find you had been relegated down two tiers in the food chain. #

I'm not knocking anyone of any license class. #At one time or other, I've held 'em all from novice thru extra. #What I'm knocking is this convoluted system we have today, in which even some ticket holders don't know what their operating privledges are.

Code - No code? #Frankly, I don't care. #I've been a cw guy for 45 years (yes, FCC examined at 20 wpm), but to me I don't see cw as being any different than the rtty, or digital modes. #It's just that, a mode of operation. You don't have to take a test in copying baudot code, do you? #I don't operate digital, but digital continues to exist, rtty continues to exist, and I have no doubt that cw will continue to exist, even without code testing. #If you're interested, you'll learn.

Peace people, I'm just expressing my personal take on things, as I see 'em. #Isn't that why we have this forum available to us?

73 all, Jim/k7unz

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (wg7x @ May 25 2005,15:28)]Many hams have other issues....
They sure do. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[wa9cwx]

This was about the invasion of Ten.....Wouldn't a bunch of NCTs just be ANOTHER invasion???
I gotta tell ya, after listening to the changes on VHF FM over the last 10 years, it sure seems like an invasion to me.
As the man said, just MY opinion.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KF4ZHL]

WG7X, Thank you for your candid and honest reply. This topic seems to generate very few of these. I had pretty much thought that was the answer, but very few will admit it without being pressured.

AI4EP, You don't have to get so mad. I accept that code is part of the requirement and know some of it already. The kind of answer that's in your post doesn't answer my question at all. It says, "Just do it and don't ask questions about the logic behind it! I don't have to answer you. Are you weak and CAN'T do it or something?"

Even after I learn code and take the test and pass and even use it, I still won't agree with it being part of the requirement. It just doesn't make sense to me. Making the tests harder and asking more technical questions, now that I can agree with. A basic working knowledge of modes, antennas and electronic components doesn't seem to be addressed well enough.

[ai4ep]

zhl...you do not have to answer to ME, but you do to the FCC and meet their requirements.

The rules are the rules.

So far as saying that " I cant "...well the point is that I DID/ HAVE already passed the MINIMUM requirement, and you have not.

So quitcher bellyaching and wasting time reading my worthless posts and get to studying...or just stand on the porch ( or under it ) and bark.

I ( and others ) did not get to be EXTRA class ( the top of the line ) by being " wanna bee s "...we actually did accomplish the challenge. Can YOU ?

[ai4ep]

Heck, you folks want " somewhere to talk at night AND some hf privileges( under 30 Mhz ) AND you want it made EASY for you ?

Well, get your self a C B radio...it transmits on hf under 30 Mhz ( 26 & 27 to be exact )...there are folks on it AT NIGHT ... and there is no studying / license required.

There...you got all 3 points with a great answer.

PLUS...it does not cost a lot of money .

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF4ZHL @ May 24 2005,10:56)]Two of the hottest issues in any hams mind is the code/no-code for generals debate and the intrusion in ten meters.
For Generals? No code is no code is no code ad infinitum. Generals nothing.

Another doozie: Possible future CW privlidges on HF for no coders, another reason amateur radio is on the wane. By the time you people finally get it it WILL be too late.

[ai4ep]

" by the time you people finally get it it WILL be too late "

Should others take that as a threat ?

Should we laugh ( far easier...rofl already )

But we WILL all die some day...no doubt about it. Will it be " too late " then ?

[K0RGR]

Ah well, here we go again...

There isn't much to argue that hasn't already been.

Actually, if the newbies would learn to use them, 10 meter priveleges would not be all that bad a deal. Eskip is fun on 10, just like it is on 6, and it's a lot more common on 10 - just like on 11.
I think I'm going to start stressing 6 meters more in my Tech classes. There are fairly cheap 6 meter SSB rigs out there that they can have fun working eskip Dx with for at least 2 or 3 months of the year most years. It still isn't 40 meter CW, but it beats a poke in the eye.

[KF4ZHL]

AI4EP, what does, "The rules are the rules" have to do with me questioning them, or agreeing with them? I can follow the rules, meet the requirements, and still have the right to dissent, can't I? I can accept the rules without fully agreeing with them, yes?

All I ask is a simple question. What's your opinion on the the logic behind passing a code test?

I have my opinion on it and you have yours. Neither of these opinions have a whole lot of bearing on what is, or probably have much chance of changing the other ones stance. I'm not looking to bellyache. I'm not even looking to change the rules. I'm looking for a little feedback. I'm looking to hear your opinion on the logic behind a code test. For absolutely no other reason but having food for thought. Because I care what everyone else but me thinks. I'm not asking to be berated, belittled, bullied, or frowned upon for asking.

[ai4ep]

zhl...I see behind youe scheme...to get me to make a typographical error so you and others can ridicule me .

Why ?

Just accept the rules as being the rules and learn your morse code ( it aint all THAT hard ) and get it over with.

Heck, if a 45 year old white man from Alabama ( I was 45 when I learned morse code ) can learn morse code, surely YOU and others can. Ten-year-old girls have learned it...why can YOU not ? Other folks are passing the test nearly every day...sure it IS a small challenge for them, but instead of acting as you ( and others do ) they get down and study, and study a while longer and even study a bit more if necessary and actually teach theirselves ( LEARN ) how to do it. Sure it takes time, and real effort from the individual, but others have done it, so it cant be THAT hard to do.

He just wants some one to argue with to use as an excuse NOT to be studying for his morse code exam.

Any excuse not to study....or is it he wants a handout ? He thinks he is " special " . He wants it GIVEN to him, just because of his last name, or some other ( great/dumb ) reason.

Are drivers licenses given out ?
Are doctors licenses given out ?
Are airplane pilots licenses given out ?
Are nursing licenses given out ?
Are attorneys licenses given out ?

Then why should a GENERAL class amateur radio license be made easier for YOU ?

Are YOU "special " ?

[W5MJL]

I think the problem is people want to have a good reason to learn morse code. I guess getting on HF IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON FOR THEM. I think that is what I don't understand the most. It shows no commitment whatsoever. It shows no desire. I am not talking about you zhl as I know you are making the attempt. Why would amateur radio as an entity want anyone to join their ranks that have no commitment or desire?

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ May 25 2005,18:45)]The ARRL website has a story about the FCC Forum at Dayton - it is likely that we will see FCC's proposal in late summer or early fall - probably a bit later than we had expected, with yet another round of comments, and no final report and order until sometime next year. There were no hints given as to which way the Commission is leaning, apparently.

The issue with the NCT's is their isolation on VHF/UHF, paticularly in rural areas where there is just no activity. #One of the team leaders in our group informed me the other day that he was a longtime ham - 3rd generation, member of a big ham family. His 2 meter rig is for sale. Never found anybody to talk to. Says he got chased off all the repeaters every time he tried to use it. #I showed him Echolink and that raised some interest, but he's probably soon to be gone. Another NCT bites the dust. He's a nice guy too - more conservative than #FAP, even.

These guys need someplace they can go to be on the air at night after the 5 o'clock rush hour and the 'make contacts' net goes away. #I don't think they really need or deserve to be on the premiere DX bands. #If I were king, I would not even give them phone priveleges - it would be CW and digital priveleges, only, and low power too. #But if FCC insists on only having 3 license classes, then the ARRL proposal looks like the most logical solution.
isolation on vhf/uhf ?

i was up at buyck, minnesota,(township 65,range17, section17) #with a tempo s1 handheld and could bring up a repeater from there, back in 1981!

that is about as far as you can get from nowhere in the continental 48 states .

there are many more repeaters across the country today than there were back then.

the techs are hardly isolated ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (k7unz @ May 25 2005,13:27)]...We had a pretty good system before the ARRL pulled the "incentive" thing out of it's butt, and created the mess we have today.

Novice, Tech, General, Extra were all there were... Extra got you nothing in the way of increased privleges, but a whole of guys got 'em for the personal satisfaction it gave them... Re-instate the same privleges that existed back then, and let's get back to basics.

Oh yeah, one other thing.....bring back a call sign system that actually told you something about the call holder! Remember when it took 25+ years licensed to be eligable to get a 1X2 call sign? Remember when a K2 call ment the guy was in 2-land, or he would have to sign "/" whatever?...

And the ARRL, after creating the "incentive" thing that would enhance the technical knowledge of each and every operator, is now pushing for just the opposite.
What's the point of maintaining HF band segments by licence class? Either you have HF privileges or you don't. Incentive Licensing proved to be a dismal failure in terms of its stated purpose, to upgrade the technical expertise of the amateur radio community. Compare today's Extras with pre-1968 Generals. As a community, on the whole, which would score higher in overall technical expertise? How many hams today do any homebrewing compared with the pre-incentive licensing days? Today, I hear hams over the air making it a point to mention that their dipole antenna is homebrew!

[KC0NBW]

outmoded morse code that no one uses any more ?

i was just sitting here and heard some morse code come out of my scanner as the local p.s. system identified,a few seconds later i heard some morse from the next room as the channel 5 tv weather sent out a string of 3 v's

...- ...- ...-


to bring attention to a severe weather warning they were issuing !


yep, nobody uses morse code any more ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

-.- -.-. ----- -. -... .--

[KF4ZHL]

Scheme? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Like a con man? That's me all right, a regular conniving colluder. I only wait for you to trip and misspell Saskatchewan. Then, I'm upon you!

Ummmmm, that was a joke, right?

Anyway, don't worry about it. I HAVE accepted the rules. Really, really I have. For truly and for sure. I just don't think the rules make sense is all. For what it's worth, you're also right. Learning code isn't that hard, just a bit tedious. Anyway, I'm done here, but at least I got one honest reply.

Why ask why? Because I can, that's why!
And I'll never stop either. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ai4ep]

All of us COULD do the same thing...ask a question here and wait intil we got the answer we WANTED.

Nothing new.

[KF4ZHL]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Okay, okay! I concede I tell you! Let's let it go and have nice evening. See you later Mr. Hyatt.

[ai4ep]

I wish you a good evening, and a pleasant Memorial Day Weekend, sir.

& to all those MILLIONS of folks who just read this & never say a word

[wa9cwx]

I remember Thursday evenings, I used to go downstairs, put on a rig, and listen, maybe copy a nice QSO or two on 40, maybe call CQ and enjoy my code fix, maybe have a cup of decafe while hunting some rare UTE signal on RTTY or CW, maybe talk to my buddies on 2 meter simplex, but NO...NOW I sit here with high BP talking to myself in run-on sentences worrying about what lazy bum who doesn't care about code is going to steal my frequencies before the power company wipes them out with BPL. This is NOT progress.
CU guys who like to OPERATE on the BANDS! #I AM going where I BELONG, low end of 40.
Gnit!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC0W]

Quote[/b] (KF4ZHL @ May 25 2005,15:56)]Two of the hottest issues in any hams mind is the code/no-code for generals debate and the intrusion in ten meters.
Don't forget Echolink. That one is always seems to generate some real animosity amongst amateurs on QRZ.


Tom kcØw

[KB3KCJ]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Not to continue the CODE/NO-CODE debate, but just making the test hard and then giving practice exams with the answers IMHO is not the thing to do. #I had to learn the code, and at the age of 54 it was not easy, but I did it because it was required. #A lot of folks used the QRZ tests, taken them over and over until they could get a passing score and then took the test and pased it; but, learn the code - AH NOW THERE'S A CHALLENGE. #Have we made it too easy - probably, but with the sunspot activity low and the only decent propagation on 17 and 20 meters a lot of folks may just give up the hobby - I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT! #The more HAMS, the more contacts and isn't that what it is all about?

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ May 26 2005,22:28)]Don't forget Echolink. That one is always seems to generate some real animosity amongst amateurs on QRZ.


# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Tom kcØw
Speaking of echolink. Nah I won't go there. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ May 27 2005,08:05)]Quote[/b] (kc0w @ May 26 2005,22:28)]Don't forget Echolink. That one is always seems to generate some real animosity amongst amateurs on QRZ.


Tom kcØw
Speaking of echolink. Nah I won't go there. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Obviously, you haven't seen the June issue of CQ, then.

[ai4ep]

What is in the JUNE issue of CQ ?

Tell us so we wont go spend $ 6 or more just to get a copy.

Remember...amateurs are thrifty !!

[ai4ep]

guessN3JJA aint going to tell us what is in the JUNE 2005 issue of C Q magazine !! Dern, have to go all the way to town, find a bookstore/magazine rack at a beer/grocery store that actually SELLS cq mag.,flip thru it, then buy it, bring it back home and find out there aint no centerfold, and disgustingly look for what ever he is talking about...then discover I bought the MAY 2005 issue by mistake ( instead of JUNE 2005 ...you know how slow things are around here...well, let me tell ya ( in another thread which I just may start tonight ) after eating bar - b - q possum ribs with potato salad, and cole slaw and iced sweet tea ( made by me !http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )...{ see, I DO contribute to the evening meal }...then it is nearly 6;30 pm, and tune the HF radio to 3.965 and listen to the ALABAMA NET ( along with all the " keyer uppers & tune uppers from all across the continental USA ...not just Alabama )...and wait in eager anticipitation for them to call my county { LAWRENCE } so my call can go out in VOICE ( not cw ) over the airwaves...what a magical 5 seconds that shall be !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ai4ep

[KB5WX]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 27 2005,15:49)]guessN3JJA #aint #going to tell us what is in the JUNE 2005 issue of C Q magazine !! #Dern, have to go all the way to town, find a bookstore/magazine rack at a beer/grocery store that actually SELLS cq mag.,flip thru it, then #buy it, bring it back home and find out #there aint no centerfold, and disgustingly look for what ever he is talking about...then discover I bought the MAY 2005 issue by mistake ( instead of JUNE 2005 ...you know how slow things are around here...well, let me tell ya ( in another thread which I just may start tonight ) after eating bar - b - q possum ribs # #with potato salad, and cole slaw and iced sweet tea ( made by me !http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #)...{ see, I DO contribute to the evening meal #}...then it is nearly 6;30 pm, and tune the HF radio to 3.965 and listen to the ALABAMA NET ( along with all the " keyer uppers & tune uppers from all across the continental USA ...not just Alabama )...and wait in eager anticipitation for them to call my county { LAWRENCE } so my call can go out in VOICE ( not cw ) over the airwaves...what a magical 5 seconds that shall be !! # # # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ai4ep
I wanna know , who shot the possum ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ai4ep]

it dont matter...it is all history now ( belch )...rats...no microphone around to belch into. !!

[KB5WX]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 27 2005,20:41)]it dont matter...it is all history now ( belch )...rats...no microphone around to belch into. #!!
And this 'puter ain't 75 meters either ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ai4ep]

it shore aint !!

no where close !!

[KB5WX]

How was that possum by the way ? Last few that I've had were on the stringy and greasy side . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif