Good news: They found the shoe!

[w0aew]

....2000 years too late.

Quote[/b] ]A shoe thought to be at least 2,000 years old, and the oldest in the UK, has been dug up at an English quarry.

The Iron Age relic was found in a hollowed tree trunk at Whiteball Quarry, near Wellington, Somerset.

Full story and amazing shoe photo here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/4530905.stm).

[w3sy]

Isn't funny how you always find only ONE shoe??

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 10 2005,11:15)]Isn't funny how you always find only ONE shoe??
Since it looks to be preserved with BarBQ sauce, it's logical to assume the owner ate the other one.




WA5KRP
Texas

[N2ACX]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif to quote SYQuote[/b] ]Isn't funny how you always find only ONE shoe??

The guy may have had only had one leg. But that theory was broken when they DID find the second shoe..........it was along side his backbone sticking out the rear of his pelvis. Probably a hunting deal gone bad..........

N2ACX Gary

[K8ERV]

Was the shoe on the other foot?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[N2ACX]

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"If the shoe fits", apparently it did, bet that left a mark! Did they also find the shoe laces? N2ACX Gary

[W5HTW]

The other shoe is usually in the washing machine.

Oh, whoops! I think that's socks.

Ed

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ May 10 2005,06:21)]The other shoe is usually in the washing machine.

Oh, whoops! #I think that's socks.
I always thought there were gremlins living between the washer and dryer that ate the other sock.

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 10 2005,05:07)]....2000 years too late.

Quote[/b] ]A shoe thought to be at least 2,000 years old, and the oldest in the UK, has been dug up at an English quarry.

The Iron Age relic was found in a hollowed tree trunk at Whiteball Quarry, near Wellington, Somerset.

Full story and amazing shoe photo here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/4530905.stm).
Oh, so THAT's what happened to Cinderella's other shoe!

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[W2ILP]

I have a theory that dinosaurs existed at the same time as human beings. The experts say they became extinct about 10 Million years before man evolved. I can't buy that. One reason is that legends or stories about dragons, that were like dinosaurs, exist in all cultures, on all continents of the earth. If there were no dragons how come all the countries had old stories about them.
The shoe was found in England, where there are stories about men (incuding St. George) who were believed to have slain dragons. Now I'm sure that sometimes the dragons won the battle and ate the humans. Maybe that shoe was all that was left of a man who only 2,000 years ago was eaten by a dragon.

We can't find the man or the other shoe because they were digested by the dragon. The one shoe we did find was spit out accidently, but the rest of the man was was biodegraded by the dragon's gastric juices. The shoe is large, so it is believed to have been worn by a large man, who must have been swallowed by a very large dragon. Dragons were reptiles who might degrade faster than leather shoes.

We found a shoe...Next we need to find a shoemaker...or else that shoe may become a religious icon.

w2ilp (Ivanhoe's Lost Pair?)

[k9kxq]

BTW was it a Rebok? or a British Knight?

kxq

[w4rot]

I think the key is the shoe string. I would hate to think the dude had a nice pair of walkers, T.Rex (and not Marc Bolan) showed up, thus the knots that pursued changed the world.
Just a thought,
w4rot

[kd5kfl]

Did they find the odor eater?

[K8ERV]

Throw a shoe into a pack of dogs (wolves) and the one it hits will bark. So true. Maybe that is where the other shoe is.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[kb2vxa]

Hi guys,

Simple, the man lost his shoe down the well so only the one was found. He limped back home and made another one and eventually was buried with his boots on. The story took place in the west of England.

"The shoe was found in England, where there are stories about men (incuding St. George) who were believed to have slain dragons."

Not this guy, the shoe looks like it passed through the dragon. Actually the St. George legend deals with a similar one, the one of Dracula only he was the slayer, not the slain. In Romainian "dracul" is the word for "dragon" and it all started with The Loyal Order Of The Dragon of which his father was a member. Vlad Tipich (the word means impaler) was a bloodthirsty sort but not a vampire, he impaled his enemies on long, sharpened poles and stood them in the courtyard of his castle in Walachia, not Transylvania which is a provence to the northwest. BTW, it's nowhere near Carpathia as the story of the vampire would have you believe, right next to Turkey actually. Anyway "Dracula" being the diminutive means "little dragon" or in this case "son of the dragon". The REAL legend deals with the Turks and Dracula is a national hero, read more about it elsewhere, this is getting long.

Nowhere but in Western culture do dragons breathe fire, that is symbolism as is the dragon itself. It symbolizes the warlord in Eastern culture and brings good luck, if you pay tribute you have good luck and protection, if not your village gets destroyed and your crops burnt. Western culture adds the symbolism of breathing fire, I'm sure you have heard the expression. The king which was just the title given to the local warlord would exact tribute in the same manner and if it wasn't paid his word went out and your village was burnt to the ground, the dragon breathed fire.

Now some fossil records in a stream bed in Texas show what appear to be man tracks alongside those of a dinosaur as if it were being hunted. One of those Bible bucks preachers remarked they were tracks of an angel before the fall and before Man was created. Why an angel would hunt a dinosaur baffles me but that was his idea "supporting" one of his wild theories about prehistory. Still those tracks are a mystery, so far as I know they are unique.

No dragon fossils have ever been found supporting the now becoming popular notion they were some sort of dinosaur. So poular in fact the Discovery Channel made a presentation on it, a fanciful account of a day in the life of a dragon.

The bottom line is the dragon was and is a power symbol, nothing more. If you want more information ask a Chinese astrologer, I'm a bull and that's no dragon poop.

[W2ILP]

vxa

Recent digs have found evidence that there were cannivorous monitor lizards alive in our human era who were nine times larger than the regular monitor lizards who live today on Comodo Island. # The big guys might easily have passed for dragons.

Other recent digs have found bones of what they believe to be an aduilt human that was only about three feet tall. #It is believed that many animals as well as humans became smaller when they had to survive on small islands. #Both humans and dragons could have shrunk at the same time for similar reasons. The theory is that the big animals become larger on big continents in order to survive when competing against other large animals...but this requires a larger food suppy than can be found on small islands. #On small islands where there are no big animals small animals and people might have been best fitted for survival.

Dragons breathing fire might just have been an illusion. Even today there are reptives with red forked tongues.

Gulliver may have actually been shipwrecked and washed up on #the little isle of Lilliput...It might not have all been Swift's immagination.

Dracula, the Wolf Man, walking mummies and Frankinstein's monster might just have been created to scare Lou Costello.

Hay........Abbbbbboooooot. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

w2ilp (Imagine Lilly Puttins!) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ May 13 2005,00:03)]Other recent digs have found bones of what they believe to be an adult human that was only about three feet tall. #It is believed that many animals as well as humans became smaller when they had to survive on small islands. #
ILP, Apparently, in all your wisdom you have never heard of a Hobbit? One actually did slay a dragon! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ac4ut]

One shoe,hollow tree .This is so obvious I can't believe no one can figure it out
Keebler Elf football player.Yes the place kicker.

[n2nh]

Funny how you always find it in the last place you look?

[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 13 2005,10:27)]Funny how you always find it in the last place you look?
Yes, but who in their right mind would find that which they seek and keep looking.

[W2ILP]

My theory is that 2000 years ago there were giant Druids who lived in England. They became extinct because they couldn't hide from dragons in the hollows of trees. They could only fit one shoe in at best. Even the dragons eventually became extinct becaue there was no place for them to hide.

England is on an island with limited resourses. Before there were large ships and airplanes, people who lived there didn't have much variety in the way of food. We can't find the remains of the Druid giants because they we all eaten by dragons. We can't find the remains of any dragons because they were all eaten by average size Brits before the the days of McD and Burger King.

I don't believe that the dragons actually could breathe fire. It would have been nice if they could... becaue them a dragon with hiccups or GERD could BBQ itself spontaneously with backfires. If there were any fire or smoke breathing creatures they would have become extinct long ago, because there was no surgeon generals to give them a warning.

We can not always discard children's stories as being entirely ficticious. There might be some truth to the fact that there were Hobbits, elves and faries all over the place before they too were eaten by hungry men or beasts.

73,
Bob w2ilp (Ireland's Leprachaun People?)

[K9STH]

If you believe in bibical references then read Job 41: 15, 19-21. Therein supposedly is a reference to a fire breathing dragon.

Here is another site that makes several biblical references:

http://www.creationworldview.org/Articles/Article%2043.htm


In China the dragon was generally considered to be friendly. However, in other cultures around the world the dragon was not considered friendly. The "fire breathing" dragon seems to appear in cultures all over the world and not just Europe. Since most "folklore" actually has some basis in fact, there must have been some kind of animal that at least appeared to be breathing fire if not actually breathing fire.

Glen, K9STH

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ May 14 2005,21:00)]The "fire breathing" dragon seems to appear in cultures all over the world and not just Europe. #Since most "folklore" actually has some basis in fact, there must have been some kind of animal that at least appeared to be breathing fire if not actually breathing fire.
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I'm surprised at you. #This entire myth was started in Mexico.




WA5KRP
Habanero, Texas

[K9STH]

In the April 2005 issue of National Geographic (the one with Bob Sazbo's photo of a Civil War Re-enactor on the cover) there is an article about the Orca ("killer whale"). In the article they say that there has never actually been recorded an instance of an Orca killing a human. They state that there is one case on record where an Orca grabbed a swimmer's leg but immediately released them.

Also, there appear to be two different "kinds" of Orca: One type that eats only fish and the other type only eats mammals. Those that eat fish will not attack (nor eat) any mammal and those that eat mammals will not eat any fish. Marine mammals like sea lions can tell the difference by the sounds that the Orca make. When fish eating Orca are around the marine mammals will act normally. But, when the mammal eating Orca are around the marine mammals will "panic" and do everything possible to get out of the water.

The Orca is basically a very large dolphin (the mammal type, not the fish type of dolphin). I have never actually seen a "wild" Orca, just those in places like Sea World.

Glen, K9STH

[kd5kfl]

"Now some fossil records in a stream bed in Texas show what appear to be man tracks alongside those of a dinosaur as if it were being hunted. "

3 colossal problems with this story:

The foot was a size 15. Very few people today wear a size 15, that person would have been twice the size of early man.

The footprints looked like feet. Clearly delineated toes, foot planted straight down. In real life, mud would ooze between the toes, the foot would twist, and mud would ooze up to the sides where it was displaced.

When viewed under a magnifier, many small interlinked triangles can be seen in the human footprint. Not caused by a foot displacing mud, probably caused by a chisel displacing rock.

Discovered during the great depression. Some out of work guy, idling away the time, trying to make a buck.

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ May 14 2005,11:01)]#There might be some truth to the fact that there were Hobbits, elves and faries all over the place before they too were eaten by hungry men or beasts.
Not all the elves and faries were eaten, some still exist.

I have a Corgi who barks at nothing. Corgies have their own web site, where it is explained that Corgies (my avatar) see the elves, faries, and other wee folk that we cannot see, and they bark at these. I believe it.
I put food out for them, and it disappears. The wee folk must eat it, or maybe that is why my Corgi keeps getting fatter!!

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[W2ILP]

kd5kfl,k9sth, et all

I still believe that giant sized men existed with giant sized reptiles and both became extinct because of being so large that they were unable to eat enough calories to survive, and/or unable to defend themselves from smaller more efficiant creatures. Remember also that a small mouse carrying plague bacteria is capable of wiping out a whole village of humans. It is believed that the longest surviving creatures remaining in the same size and form are small insects ,so it highly possible that ants and roaches may rome the Earth even when man becomes extinct. Scientists have found that common insects can survive where there is high levels of radiation.

I think that, Bible students could check on it, there is a passage somewhere in the Bible that does say that there WERE GIANTS on the earth at one time.

I think that the largeset land animal around today is the elephant.
Wild elephants in Africa and India must be protected by law because they are endangered. It is likely that the only elephants that exist a century from now will be in zoos, if existing at all. Another proof is that large animals are not safe in a world where men exist with guns and they are easy targets. If there were large dragons around today I don't think they would have much chance to survive for long. Little lizards survive. The anole is protected in Florida and Cuba largly because it helps control the insect population and is not dangerous to man. Anole populations remain stable over long time periods.

OK on the Orcas who have restricted diets and might even be friendly to man. Wild related porposes are also known to have helped people and prevented them from drowning. A current evolution theory is that humans evolved as sea creatures and that is why we developed legs that extend straight from our torsos, that are unlike any other mammel, but have prepared us first for swimming and then for walking upright.

Hmmmm...
Orcas with restricted diets?
Now I know a guy named Fish who had a very restricted diet because he kept kosher. Who know this could be a carry over from the days when we were all sea creatures. Some of our sea swimming ancestors might have learned to avoid eating lobsters and shell fish after being snapped at. To this day they are taboo to all Jews.

Hmmmm...
I wonder if manatees are kosher?

w2ilp (Ignoring Lower Primates)

[N8CPA]

There was a dragon special on one of the Discovery enterprise channels (History, National Geo, etc.). They went to some of the remote areas near the Himalayas tracking dragon legends, etc. They found fossilized dinosaur eggs, accompanied by the fossilized bones of some large reptile, certainly a dinosaur of some kind. The theory was that early humans may have found such fossils and believed they represented creatures still living though rarely seen, giving rise to generations of word of mouth legends.

The fire breathing aspect I think can be explained by observation of snakes. The tongue flashing through the air, somewhat resembles a flame. I think the observation of snakes, combined with fear, led to an application of the same belief about a now extinct variety of monitor, with a similar means of tasting the air for prey. The legends originated long before writing came along, with all the error that oral tradition is heir to.