DISH IT OUT TO ANTENNA NAZIS!

[w8lv]

Since those those itty-butty satellite dishes ARE allowed by federal preemption, and you can always find one laying around, or even one of those plastic mock-up look-like-the-real-thing demo dishes that they use for store displays, AND you are up against an antenna Nazi AND want to operate yer ham station AND gloat like a 'mutha at your jack-booted, armband wearing opponent, you MIGHT put one of these dishes up real high somewhere and run a coax up to it. Be sure to of course not use it as a coax--instead use it as an end-fed vertical. I mean, what's an antenna-nazi to do? you gotta have a wire connected to that fine thing so you can watch the satellite rerun feeds of "Punky Brewster", right?
And if you could get TWO dishes, that look different (to especially 'decorate' the Reichsneighborhood with an especially attractive display), you could say use a "Hughie Tool" dish on one end of your house, and a "Dash Network" one on the other end. Tie it all together for a longer run, or even a dipole.
Remember, their side is all little Hitlers with little agendas,smaller minds, and our side has all of the quarterbacks!

Think of the decorative possibilities of say, two or three (or more) little dishes, and say throw in an old full size "C" band dish that you can have for free just for the dismantling. Imagine that next door neighbor, a real "Wilmer" type, the one who smells like mouth wash and PAYS someone every year to fertilize his grass (with a meddlesome busy-body loud-mouthed wife in tow to complete the picture) when he discovers that he now lives next door to what looks like a SAM site. Sometimes a "hidden" antenna realy doesn't need to be "hidden" at all!

Just a nitey-nite thought,
you gotta fight for your right to party,
when dealing with an Antenna Nazi,

[WA5KRP]

It's your first post and you sling around the word Nazi.


http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jo1.gif Get a clue.





WA5KRP
Underwhelmed, Texas

[KG4CGC]

Read more, bitch less. Lots of things have been covered. If something really sticks in your craw then give us a hollar!

Don't worry though, we like to re-hash as long as we're all on the same page. Too bad my YL and I couldn't pull that turtle in! Nuther topic and Welcome.

[KG4CGC]

BTW, that damn horse needs to be beat harder.

[k9kxq]

uh-oh! the "N" word again.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

kxq

[ke4zhn]

Nazi`s? We don' need no stinkin Nazi`s! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (wa5krp @ May 07 2005,23:14)]It's your first post and you sling around the word Nazi.


http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jo1.gif #Get a clue.





WA5KRP
Underwhelmed, Texas
C'mon KRP, if you ever had to deal with a home owners ass-ociation you would think the same way.

The dish as an end insulator is not a bad idea actually, I just may give it a try.

I live in yuppieville and no outdoor antennas are allowed period. We even had to go to the mat to get dishes allowed. All my antennas are in the attic and work very well but an outdoor end fed L going to a fake dish is not a bad idea. We just got fiber in the neighborhood and will be going with that for TV, phone, and DSL so no one has to know that I don't still use the dish.

Thanks IV, good idea.......

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] ]...47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000 and has been in effect since October 14, 1996. It prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to- home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Watch much SSTV on 14.230?

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ May 08 2005,07:51)]C'mon KRP, if you ever had to deal with a home owners ass-ociation you would think the same way.
And you know that homeowners' associations and local governments nationwide must be collaborating in these schemes. Otherwise, why are nearly identically worded restrictions and local anti-antenna ordinances springing up border to border and coast to coast in a common time frame? No way can this be a mere coincidence.

It is not a proper function of local governments to get together with other local governments and conspire to create arbitrary restrictions on residents living within their local jurisdictions. More than that... it's a conflict of interest.

[WA2ZDY]

N-word or not, he's got a good idea. His thinking is in the right place as far as the antenna situation goes. I sure would have liked that post better without the N-word though.

I live in a rental right now and my balcony is on the wrong side of the building to have a dish. But for six years we owned an upstairs condo and I had a dish. They fought me until they got tired of throwing the lawyers' fees away. It felt good to know I was going to win.

That complex now has dozens of dishes up, but I had the first. I sure wish I'd thought of using it as an end insulator for a wire though. Dang.

[k6pme]

I live in a neighborhood with some severe antenna restrictions. It turned out that it became quite a challenge to put up an reasonably effective antenna without creating a fuss. By doing a lot of reading, asking questions in the Q/A forum and few PM's I learned more than I would have otherwise. Now, maybe I just learned a new trick. I say 'maybe' since expert I are not.

Nice idea in concept, too bad the post was presented in the manner that it was.

[w3sy]

I have great sympathy for anyone stuck in an area governed by a Homeowner's Association. Where I live, you OWN your property and can do as you please. That's the way God Himself intended.

I have never lived under the thumb of a Homeowner Association Regime, and I hope NEVER to. From what I have heard, they sound like a bunch of self-important, self-righteous egomaniacs and control freaks.

W8LV's anger and frustration is justifyable, and his conviction has been overturned by the W3SY Court of Appeals.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 09 2005,09:11)]W8LV's anger and frustration is justifyable, and his conviction has been overturned by the W3SY Court of Appeals.
Can a pope do that sorta thing? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 09 2005,09:11)]I have never lived under the thumb of a Homeowner Association Regime, and I hope NEVER to. From what I have heard, they sound like a bunch of self-important, self-righteous egomaniacs and control freaks.
That about covers it.

[w3sy]

I have declared myself Pope Dood I, and have darned all Homeowners Associations to heck!

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 09 2005,09:53)]I have declared myself Pope Dood I, and have darned all Homeowners Associations to heck!
SY you should have de-communicated them too for good measure http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[WB2WIK]

Nice banter.

One problem with using the sat dish as a support for a coax antenna or whatever: When deed restrictions are in force, they usually include a lot of other things besides antennas. Disturbing the Peace, for example.

While "radio frequency interference" is a matter for the FCC, who has preemption over other authorities, "disturbing the peace" (and tranquility of property owners sharing common grounds) is a very broad broom that can often sweep clean a lot of issues.

I've seen hams fined and even displaced at their own cost for simply interfering with radio/television/telephone/etc operation in "CC&R neighborhoods." The HOA never even found an antenna, since the ham in question was using a completely hidden, indoor antenna (attic installed). Doesn't matter. You can Disturb the Peace with any kind of transmitter, connected to any kind of antenna -- all they have to do is find out it's you who is doing the disturbing.

This is why "antennas" are only a part of the CC&R problem. It's much more than that.

WB2WIK/6

[w3sy]

CC&amp;R neighborhoods? More like <span style='color:red'>CCCP</span> neighborhoods!

PLEASE QSL VIA BOX 88 COLUMBIA, MARYLAND. DSW!!

heh

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 09 2005,14:36)]CC&amp;R neighborhoods? More like <span style='color:red'>CCCP</span> neighborhoods!

PLEASE QSL VIA BOX 88 COLUMBIA, MARYLAND. DSW!!

heh
...and yet, people, including hams, continue to invest in them and live with the consequences.

Unbelievable. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K9STH]

SY:

Unfortunately, your humor is wasted on those who have only been licensed for the past 15 years, or so.

Glen, K9STH
(who remembers Box 88 very well)

[W5HTW]

I keep well hidden, and a very low profile. I am deeply afraid that group that goes around kidnapping hams, and pointing guns at their heads, threatening their families and pets, and making them move into distasteful neighborhoods that they hate, will find me and force me to move into a gated CC&amp;R community. These people who force hams to move into these communities should be caught and executed.

I also am fearful of the similar group that forces people to move in next to an airport or railroad, and then complain for years, trying to shut down that same airport or railroad. I know there is an organization that does this, but I have not had them yet interfere in my life, and I honestly don't know the name of them. Maybe it's the &quot;Nazis.&quot; Although, I admit, I haven't seen many jack-booted folks in America, except a few of those kind that like to hide in the woods and play soldier wannabe. Maybe that's who was meant here. I shoulda known!

Ed

[KG4CGC]

Well, my new neighbors are going to be wondering what the heck all the wire in the trees is for and why does that man have a tie rack on a mast (discone). I'm just wondering if they will think that the Diamond V2000 is a CB antenna since it is white and resembles a small Antron99.
I know I'm biased on this but, I've always thought that the silhouette of an antenna against the setting sun is as beautiful as any sunset landscape. :blush:

[KD4LEI]

Quote[/b] (wa5krp @ May 07 2005,17:14)]It's your first post and you sling around the word Nazi.


http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jo1.gif #Get a clue.





WA5KRP
Underwhelmed, Texas
Did you ever notice also that he joined QRZ.com in May 2001? Not that this means anything, but give him a little bit of a break. This is probably the first time he's posted and lurked around the other 4 years.

[KD4LEI]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ May 08 2005,02:03)]Quote[/b] ]...47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000 and has been in effect since October 14, 1996. It prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to- home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37&quot;) in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Watch much SSTV on 14.230?
My folks lived in a neighborhood with covenant restrictions in Stafford, VA. #Well, one of their neighbors had been at odds with the snobs who ran the Homeowners Association when they whined about the inground pool he was putting in. #He was creative and it was well out of site with a nice wooden fence and so they eventually let it go.

A few months later he decided he didn't want cable and wanted a regular TV antenna to put up on his roof outside. #Being a nice guy he brought it before their monthly meeting and in so many words they told him to, &quot;take the request and shove it up where the sun don't shine, it's not going up outside.&quot; #So he asked my dad (a licensed ham) about what he knew of the situation and they researched it. #They came up with the same reg you posted and brought it to the committee's attention. #They told him again, &quot;what part of no, do you not understand?&quot; #

So my dad calls a representative from the FCC to see if they would attend a meeting to discuss the issue. #The representative agreed. #In so many words the rep told the committee what the reg meant in English. #Basically they could not prevent the installation outside. #When they started to get nitpicky and reluctant, he shut them up by saying, &quot;try and keep him from doing this and see how quickly you will lose in court.&quot; #&quot;You are disregarding a written law and in violation of its directive's.&quot; #&quot;A judge will see this for what it is and you will lose.&quot; #&quot;If he really wanted to, this resident can also sue you and you would again lose.&quot; #So try and push the issue and see how far it gets you... #Not very far.&quot;

Since then, the neighborhood has been less restrictive on antenna's (they're to keep them within reason however) and even ham's there have been very happy since they have allowed them to put their antenna's up as well.

[w8lv]

Precisely my point-- we need a new approach with these bullies--NO MORE APPEASEMENT OF ANTENNA NAZIS! Appeasement has NEVER worked in all the years we tried it with BULLIES.

The old &quot;three R's&quot; (Let's be reasonable, rational, and responsible) approach just hasn't worked with them. As more and more new developments blanket my area, (Central Ohio) the CC&amp;R's just keep on rolling across the land with them. Now who, praytell, moves into these developments? Upwardly mobile families with children who might take up ham radio, and this as an avocation might lead them to many good careers as it did many of us! But when you are outright BANNED from even havng an antenna, well, then as a kid you are gonna move real quick away from that, Make no mistake about it, its not gonna be BPL, or Morse vs. voice (and what a tired old argument that is, a howling dog. Arf Arf!) that will KILL this hobby--it's CC&amp;R's that will gurantee that the next generation doesn't even get exposed to ham radio!!!!
How did YOU find YOUR Elmer as a kid? Likely you saw, or it was pointed out to you by someone in the neighborhood to head on over to 'that house over there with the tower'...
Now we have a new FCC chairman, and the time to petition for and get the REAL preemption for US!!!!
NO MORE APPEASEMENT!!!!! IT'S TIME TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WHOOPIE ASS, FOLKS!!!

[w3sy]

RIGHT ON, BROTHA! RIGHT ON!!

And instead of Soccer Moms, we'd get Field Day Moms!

A MULTI-BAND BIG STICK ON EVERY SUV!!!

[K7JBQ]

LEI,

I'd like to know who that representative from the FCC was.
I'd also like to see him honored at Dayton.

73,
Bill

[ac3p]

Quote[/b] ]
One problem with using the sat dish as a support for a coax antenna or whatever: When deed restrictions are in force, they usually include a lot of other things besides antennas. #Disturbing the Peace, for example.

While &quot;radio frequency interference&quot; is a matter for the FCC, who has preemption over other authorities, &quot;disturbing the peace&quot; (and tranquility of property owners sharing common grounds) is a very broad broom that can often sweep clean a lot of issues.

I've seen hams fined and even displaced at their own cost for simply interfering with radio/television/telephone/etc operation in &quot;CC&amp;R neighborhoods.&quot; #The HOA never even found an antenna, since the ham in question was using a completely hidden, indoor antenna (attic installed). #Doesn't matter. #You can Disturb the Peace with any kind of transmitter, connected to any kind of antenna -- all they have to do is find out it's you who is doing the disturbing.

This is why &quot;antennas&quot; are only a part of the CC&amp;R problem. #It's much more than that.

WB2WIK/6


One of the advantages of operating CW. If they can't copy code, they can know it's you. Hopefully they won't know the finer techniques of DFing.

Of course use headphones and don't use spark #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[wu3u]

I've argued for years against CC and Rs.

One of the things that amazes me is that some of the most strident arguments for CC and Rs come from Hams.

Unreal.

TP

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (N8LXR @ May 10 2005,11:11)]I've argued for years against CC and Rs.

One of the things that amazes me is that some of the most strident arguments for CC and Rs come from Hams.

Unreal.

TP
Yep.

Hams are only a little cross section of the general population, and can easily be just as stupid.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ May 09 2005,15:32)]Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 09 2005,14:36)]CC&amp;R neighborhoods? More like <span style='color:red'>CCCP</span> neighborhoods!

PLEASE QSL VIA BOX 88 COLUMBIA, MARYLAND. DSW!!

heh
...and yet, people, including hams, continue to invest in them and live with the consequences.

Unbelievable. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Since I live in the DC metro area it's nearly impossible to find a home for under $ 1.2 million that is not in a deed restricted community. At least, probably nothing that you would wan't to live in.

I don't know about SY since he lives in Maryland and I live in Virginia. I only go to MD if I have to or to go to the Timonium and Fredrick hamfests. I always take bottled water and stay in my car until I get to the hamfest.

Seriously, homes in the six to nine hundred K range in my area of No VA are all deed restricted unless they are out in Western Loudoun County, and the drive into the Pentagon would be impossible from there.

That leaves few alternatives except to move into rural MD and risk brain damage from being exposed to Orioles fans.

[KD4LEI]

Quote[/b] (K7JBQ @ May 10 2005,03:15)]LEI,

I'd like to know who that representative from the FCC was.
I'd also like to see him honored at Dayton.

73,
Bill
Oh I would love to know who this person was as well. I would even go as far as to pay for this guy to have a steak dinner and shake his hand.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[kb2vxa]

Translate it to German and it reads like one of Hitler's speeches.

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (kb2vxa @ May 13 2005,00:37)]Translate it to German and it reads like one of Hitler's speeches.
That's an interesting piece of tortured logic.



WA5KRP
Texas

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (wa5krp @ May 12 2005,22:46)]Quote[/b] (kb2vxa @ May 13 2005,00:37)]Translate it to German and it reads like one of Hitler's speeches.
That's an interesting piece of tortured logic.



WA5KRP
Texas
Or perhaps, illogic would be more appropriate.

[w3sy]

KA4DPO torments me with:

Quote[/b] ]Since I live in the DC metro area it's nearly impossible to find a home for under $ 1.2 million that is not in a deed restricted community. At least, probably nothing that you would wan't to live in.

Ham friend of mine lives in a tiny house in Bethesda. Worth about half a million. So 1.2 BIG ones doesn't get ya much down there anyway.

Quote[/b] ]I don't know about SY since he lives in Maryland and I live in Virginia. I only go to MD if I have to or to go to the Timonium and Fredrick hamfests. I always take bottled water and stay in my car until I get to the hamfest.

Good plan. And I'd leave a hungry and irritable Rottweiler in your car on the hamfest parking lot once they get the Light Rail running that far north again! ('Sall I'm gonna say on THAT subject.)

It's not that I'm in Maryland -- I'm in HARFORD COUNTY. A lot of areas out here &quot;don't cotton to no dang deed RE-strictions.&quot; Head down to Howard County, and they probably tell you what kind and color pillow cases and toilet paper to use --- and whether the paper goes OVER the roll or UNDER!!

Quote[/b] ]Seriously, homes in the six to nine hundred K range in my area of No VA are all deed restricted unless they are out in Western Loudoun County, and the drive into the Pentagon would be impossible from there.

Wow, bummer. It's just too bad that SOME people think a nice ham antenna or two turns their neighborhood into a trailer park. Seems to be a definite trend in newer neighborhoods everywhere.

Quote[/b] ]That leaves few alternatives except to move into rural MD and risk brain damage from being exposed to Orioles fans.

Hmm... well, you are probably safe until you get north of Columbia. Judging by this year's attendance figures, all the former O's fans in the DC suburbs pulled the plug on the Snorioles when the Montreal Alouettes (ha!) moved to WARSHNIN.

You are, of course, still welcome anytime to move up here to northwest Harford County, where men are men, and so are the women, and the sheep wear rearview mirrors. Put up any damn honkin' antenna ya want out here!

Aaaiiiggghhhttt!

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] ]and whether the paper goes OVER the roll or UNDER!!


I don't want to hijack the thread BUT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TISSUE, I MEAN ISSUE? I like under, but apparently I am in the minority.

[K7JBQ]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ May 13 2005,10:04)]Quote[/b] ]and whether the paper goes OVER the roll or UNDER!!


I don't want to hijack the thread BUT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TISSUE, I MEAN ISSUE? #I like under, but apparently I am in the minority.
Oh jeeze, here it comes, another poll. Almost as good as, do you put your power supply on the left or right side of your rig. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73,
Bill

[w3sy]

... and do you fold it or ball it up?

DON'T GO THERE! DON'T GO THERE!!

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (K7JBQ @ May 13 2005,12:29)]Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ May 13 2005,10:04)]Quote[/b] ]and whether the paper goes OVER the roll or UNDER!!


I don't want to hijack the thread BUT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TISSUE, I MEAN ISSUE? #I like under, but apparently I am in the minority.
Oh jeeze, here it comes, another poll. Almost as good as, do you put your power supply on the left or right side of your rig. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73,
Bill
Glad you brought that up. #I used to put my 30 amp power supply on the right side of my rig. #I noticed that it very conservatively delivered about 28-30 amps, and it was very reliable. #As soon as I put it on the left side of the rig, it became very erratic. #At first it thought that providing 30 amps would be a good idea, and then it changed its mind. #I found it trying to arouse my rig sexually, and then denying it had done anything. #I asked the Power Supply, &quot;Is this all you are going to do all day, arrouse my rig? #The Power supply answered, &quot;it depends on what the definition of &quot;is&quot; is.

[K7JBQ]

Fascinating. Not the left/right deal; that makes perfect sense.

What is fascinating is that you have a TALKING power supply.

Does Astron know about this? If so, are they going to move their operations from Irvine to Little Rock?

And remember, this being Friday the 13th, superstition is bad luck.

73,
Bill

[W5MJL]

The power supply only talks when it is on the left side of the rig. When it does talk, it is unable to supply power, and thus becomes &quot;talk the talk, but can't walk the walk.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 13 2005,09:52)]KA4DPO torments me with:

Quote[/b] ]Since I live in the DC metro area it's nearly impossible to find a home for under $ 1.2 million that is not in a deed restricted community. #At least, probably nothing that you would wan't to live in.

Ham friend of mine lives in a tiny house in Bethesda. Worth about half a million. So 1.2 BIG ones doesn't get ya much down there anyway.

Quote[/b] ]I don't know about SY since he lives in Maryland and I live in Virginia. #I only go to MD if I have to or to go to the Timonium and Fredrick hamfests. #I always take bottled water and stay in my car until I get to the hamfest.

Good plan. And I'd leave a hungry and irritable Rottweiler in your car on the hamfest parking lot once they get the Light Rail running that far north again! ('Sall I'm gonna say on THAT subject.)

It's not that I'm in Maryland -- I'm in HARFORD COUNTY. A lot of areas out here &quot;don't cotton to no dang deed RE-strictions.&quot; Head down to Howard County, and they probably tell you what kind and color pillow cases and toilet paper to use --- and whether the paper goes OVER the roll or UNDER!!

Quote[/b] ]Seriously, homes in the six to nine hundred K range in my area of No VA are all deed restricted unless they are out in Western Loudoun County, and the drive into the Pentagon would be impossible from there.

Wow, bummer. It's just too bad that SOME people think a nice ham antenna or two turns their neighborhood into a trailer park. Seems to be a definite trend in newer neighborhoods everywhere.

Quote[/b] ]That leaves few alternatives except to move into rural MD and risk brain damage from being exposed to Orioles fans.

Hmm... well, you are probably safe until you get north of Columbia. Judging by this year's attendance figures, all the former O's fans in the DC suburbs pulled the plug on the Snorioles when the Montreal Alouettes (ha!) moved to WARSHNIN.

You are, of course, still welcome anytime to move up here to northwest Harford County, where men are men, and so are the women, and the sheep wear rearview mirrors. Put up any damn honkin' antenna ya want out here!

Aaaiiiggghhhttt!
OK, lets take off the gloves.

Fact: #Maryland is a trailor park
Fact: #Everyone knows Maryland water is polluted with the same stuff they put in West Virginia water.
Fact: #The O's suck.
Fact: #Bethesda doesn't count cause it's really part of DC anyway.
Fact: Northern VA Rules, and everyone knows it.

There, now go back to your government subsidized tobbaco farm and you think about the things you said.

P.S. #Your Govenor is a putz, my Govenor can kick your Govenors butt.

P.S. P.S. Marylanders wadd it up in a ball, they don't do that in West VA because you can't wadd up a corn cobb.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ May 13 2005,11:17)]P.S. #Your Govenor is a putz, my Govenor can kick your Govenors butt.
My governor can kick all your governors' butts.

WB2WIK/6

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ May 13 2005,13:41)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ May 13 2005,11:17)]P.S. #Your Govenor is a putz, my Govenor can kick your Govenors butt.
My governor can kick all your governors' butts.

WB2WIK/6
Isn't that the truth!!!

[K7JBQ]

He might spare Michigan's guv. Wrong party, but a bit of a babe.

73,
Bill