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G7HEU
04-06-2005, 07:51 PM
A friend sent me this web link which I found interesting. Certainly more interesting than yet another insipid code / no code debate:
" Of course those who stand to lose their perks are up in arms! " (http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1297_chief_rabbi_or_not_.htm)
I request only polite comments please - the oiks, abusers, bullies and fools can stay at the door on this one!
Best wishes,
Steve.
W8EFA
04-06-2005, 08:25 PM
CQ CQ CQ W3SY #Here is your chance to be the Chief, I think you may be qualified. #What do you think? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #
I could say I knew you when you were a little people !
K6BBC
04-06-2005, 09:19 PM
I'm an so lost.
Anybody want to talk about medical stuff?
K6BBC
G7HEU
04-06-2005, 09:32 PM
Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ April 06 2005,14:19)]I'm an so lost.
K6BBC
Pardon?
AB9JV
04-06-2005, 09:38 PM
I thought this thread was about cooking, untill I put my glasses on.
Oh, it says "Chief" Rabbi...never mind.
G7HEU
04-06-2005, 09:52 PM
Quote[/b] (AB9JV @ April 06 2005,14:38)]I thought this thread was about cooking, untill I put my glasses on.
Oh, it says "Chief" Rabbi...never mind.
Chef Rabbi or Chief Rabbit?
Did you want to be one or cook one?
Steve.
Can I be Chief Rabbi AND Pope? I'd let the Jews eat ham and let the Catholics use contraception.
and vice versa.
VOTE FOR ME!!!
G7HEU
04-06-2005, 10:09 PM
Cheif?
Wot channel?
G7HEU
04-06-2005, 10:21 PM
Edited by w3sy on April 06 2005,15:12
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kl7aj
04-07-2005, 03:52 PM
Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ April 06 2005,12:51)]A friend sent me this web link which I found interesting. Certainly more interesting than yet another insipid code / no code debate:
" Of course those who stand to lose their perks are up in arms! " (http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1297_chief_rabbi_or_not_.htm)
I request only polite comments please - the oiks, abusers, bullies and fools can stay at the door on this one!
Best wishes,
Steve.
Oy....this is such a hard question! As a Protestant, my general inclination is AGAINST any form of centralization...on the premise that "absolute power corrupts absolutely." On the other hand, I have to really admire the Pope for one of his last statements that the greatest challenge to the church is the rampant secularization of Western Europe. Most of my Protestant friends totally MISS this point. At least we KNOW where the Catholic church stands....I never know, when it comes to my Protestant brethren! So, if there is one thing to be said of having a "Jewish equivalent of a Pope" it is that there will be a standard repository of belief. I'm just glad I don't have to make that decision!
Eric
I hope there is never any kind of "Chief Rabbi." I'm not a very observant Hebrew in the first place, but I definitely would NOT want or need ONE GUY telling me how to act, think, and live.
Besides, you have your Orthodox, Conservative, and Reformed Jews. It's the whole spectrum. Some things the Orthodox do don't fly with the Reformed, and vice versa. Will the head Rabbi dictate policy for just the Orthodox?
I would suggest anyone of ANY religion join a religious establishment whose values match their own -- and live that way. Take guidance from your LOCAL spiritual leader -- not some cat half a world away.
There have been equivalents to an appointed "Chief Rabbi" for a long time. See
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=548&letter=E (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=548&letter=E)
European Jews pretty much founded modern Israel. They dominated Israeli political and economic life,and the Sephardic (non-European Jewish) community in Israel has had some reason to feel discriminated against. Having their own Chief Rabbi was one way to placate the Sephardim. Israeli politics has changed since 1948 and it may be that office is no longer needed. Anyway, religious matters are among Jews today settled by scholars and rabbis closer to the problems, not Ex Cathedra by a Chief Rabbi. #It is unlikely that any centralized authority will be accepted; an old saying goes "Two Jews, three opinions."
Cortland
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K0RGR
04-07-2005, 06:49 PM
I was going to make the comment that I really don't think it's an American's place to comment about the conduct of a Theocracy, whether that be Israel or the Vatican.
However, the Moral Majority who sit around me came back from their coffee break all loudly decrying recent attempts to remove a 10-Commandments monument from a nearby courthouse lawn. I agreed with them on the sillyness of this effort. The monument was placed there as a promotion for the movie "The 10 Commandments" many decades ago, and almost has some historical value in spite of its cheesiness.
I then mentioned that I have a different opinion on the "Pledge of Allegience" however. Americans are not supposed to be required to take oaths of allegience. I was then informed that whether I like it or not, this is a Christian country, and it is subject to Christian laws. When I asked where it said that in the Constitution, they looked at me like I have three heads. "Well, of course it does..."
If these people didn't have advanced degrees, I'd think I was among savages.
So apparently, I was wrong. This is now a Theocracy and always has been. I stand corrected. Freedom of Religion does not mean Freedom from Religion anymore.
kb2vxa
04-07-2005, 09:52 PM
OY GAVELT!
Religion of politics, politics of religion, religion and politics have been intertwined since one cave man said to the other "my gods are better than your gods" and the war started. It divided the people and subdivided them again and again until we now live in Babel. Babble on Babylon.
Everybody either has or wants one leader so let's get it all together and call him Antichrist or as some will have it, the Beast.
OK, flame away, I did my time in Hell.
AB9JV
04-08-2005, 12:09 AM
The History channel was running episodes all day today about the Popes throughout the ages.
Holy Pope Knuckles Batman Boy, did they rip on the Popes of the past.
It seems it was all political in origin. It was amasing to hear some of the stuff that was "Declared" by the church about the authority of the Pope (and Popes)
Question for you history scholars, and I ask because I don't know the answer: How responsible was the Pope for the Crusades, when 20 bazillion "infidel unbelievers" were slaughtered on the name of God?
(Calm down, Danny -- I'm asking about some guy from the Middle Ages -- not JP II.)
KW4MW
04-08-2005, 11:06 PM
Silly Rabbi - Kix are for Trids.
G7HEU
04-09-2005, 12:02 AM
I started this thread and I was interested in genuine opinions and questions.
The Catholic ( and other ) Christian churches have a 'figure head'. Other religions do too. This interests me. I wondered why the Jewish faith has managed to get by with local 'management' until the Brit's got involved in Israel.
I'm not really interested in puerile Pope or crusade or bazillion ( what? ) comments.
I'd welcome sensible opinions. Perhaps this well is dry.
Steve
Is the well dry, or was it a weak topic to begin with? Hmmm?
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That's not a put-down. Some topics just don't generate the interest. And if you don't like the responses, you get double your money back, mate!
kb2vxa
04-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Hi Sy and readers,
"Question for you history scholars, and I ask because I don't know the answer: How responsible was the Pope for the Crusades, when 20 bazillion "infidel unbelievers" were slaughtered on the name of God?"
It all started with the Israelites invading "the promised land" who were supposed to raze it slaughtering every living thing under orders from their god. Along came two divisions, the Muslims and Christians who conducted "holy wars" against each other and the Jews vis-a-vis the Holy Inquisition. In one way or another nothing much has changed.
With attitudes like that among the further subdivisions I say again, babble on Babylon.
On the lighter side, if you want to witness something funny sit and watch a bunch of Hebrew scholars arguing the law.
Hi Warren,
Oh, I've seen Rabbinical Scholars arguing the law. It's even worse than a confrontation between a Red Sox fan and a Yankee fan!
I have always LOVED the irony of people coming to blows (or worse) over their "loving and forgiving God."
"My God is more loving and forgiving than your God!"
"Is not!"
"Is TOO!"
"Oh yeah?"
"YEAH!"
"Sez YOU!"
"Sez I!"
"Baloney!"
WHAP!! (Gets hit with a shovel.)
SY,
Wait for the next temple to be built. Then you can be High Priest. I think a HP would outrank the Rabbi's. But someone would have to enlighten me on this point.
High Priest? The most Height Above Average Terrain? Sounds like a recipie for a good DX location... Or a nice spot for Field Day!
Or as W3GX yelled to WA3RBQ (who was complaining about his high SWR), "Get it HIGH, Jimmy! We didn't worry about no SWRs! GET IT HIGH!!"
w2wtf
04-12-2005, 05:58 AM
Chief Rabbi needed?
Only if Long Island becomes its own country.......... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
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Cortland
KA5S
K0RGR
04-12-2005, 02:48 PM
Well, to add further fat to the fire, I had a friend years ago who recently retired from his post as a successful and highly prominent Episcopal priest in a large parish in Southern California. He'd been a television personality as a young man, before entering the priesthood, and was quite a character. Many of his parishoners, his bishop, and others however knew that he was not a Christian. He was a practicing Jew. He chose the priesthood because Judaism no longer has priests. So, perhaps instead of a Chief Rabbi, what's really needed is a High Priest. I know where you can find a volunteer with experience!
I was told that anyone with the last name Cohen is eligible. Is that true?
W2ILP
04-19-2005, 05:56 AM
I am an Atheiest but that doesn't prevent me from being recognized as Jewish.
I must say that I appreciate the Roman Catholic Popes because of their authority. They tell us where they stand and don't easily break long time traditions.
You could never find any ten Chief Jewish Rabbis who could agree about anyhing. Anything that is therefore attributed to Jewish people, as being stereotyped of them, is in my opinion debatable and might be blessed, ignored or baned by any one Chief Rabbi.
Jews have lots of chiefs but few Indians.
Also very few Rabbis expect many Jews to listen to them faithfully.
As Menasha Skulnick (A Jewish comedian) said while playing a store manager in a sit-com... "I'm not THE MANAGER...i'm the manager."
A CHIEF RABBI is just a chief rabbi. Jews can disagree with their Rabbis as long as they do so in small groups. This prevents violence.
This loses something here because you can't see the hand gestures that went with Manasha's statement.
Only an very authrodox Rabbi would stress his authority. Most Rabbis I have met aren't so sure about things that may be asked by their congregation members. Rabinical students find much conflicting dogma in their Talmud and interpret it from many different points of view. Rabbis are supposed to be teachers, but most teach alternate possibilities for any subject that does not require payment of their fees.
I was tempted to tell some jokes here...but I won't. I don't want to show any disrespect for any religious group. Spiritual faith should not be tested scientifically. Anything you may want to believe is OK with me as long as I personally don't get blamed for anything that happened 2000 years ago. I wasn't there.
The Spanards say "Vaya con Dios".
As a famous British comedian said, "Go...and let your God go with you." I don't remember the British comedians name but I remember he was missing one finger. Maybe he said that because he couldn't gesture with the missing finger.
73,
w2ILP (Inspiring Living Popes?)
W2ILP
04-19-2005, 06:25 AM
In another post I commented about how I was first licensed as a ham. Before there were VE sessions you could only take tests at FCC offices when it wasn't a Federal holiday or a week end. I only was able to get to the FCC during summer vacation, when there was no school because I could not be excused from school to take a test during any regular buisness days.
I was told that there are many more old Jewish hams in most of the large cities of the USA than their percentage of population would expect there to be. I know it isn't nice to say that these Jewish Hams are mostly Agnostics but I suspect many of them got opportunities to take ham tests during Jewish holidays when they got excesed from Public Schools and were supposed to be praying in synagogs. My mother would not let me do such a thing or I might have been licensed at an earlier age. She didn't think it would be lucky for me to be tested on yuntef.
73,
W2ILP (Infidels Licensed Passover?)
W2ILP
05-07-2005, 02:16 AM
3p asked if anyone with the last name Cohn is elegible to be a chief Rabbi.
The answer is - not necessarily....BUT...
The ancient Jews only allowed the families of Levi and Cohn to be senior Rabbis. This was a form of nepotism.
Actually it is hard to follow today because so many Levis and Cohens had to changed their names to show that they weren't necessarily Jewish that we get confused. Some people believe that Christopher Colombus was actually Jewish and his real name was Chaim Cohn...but in 1492 a Cohn in Spain might never had gotten three ships to find a new world from Queen Isabella. The tip off is that the log book on the Santa Maria was written in Hebrew. I kid you not.
They said that George M. Cohan was Jewish and his last name came from changing an "e" to an "a". Nah.. He was Irish. They didn't hire Jerry Lewis to play his part in a movie, they hired James Cagney.
They said that John Kerry was partly Jewish because Kerry was a way of saying Cohen when you are influenced by Scotch. I think that Kerry has enough trouble being Catholic without adding any Cohnical references to his etheniticy.
The big ritual that still exists today with most Jewish people is a ceremony which must take place when an infant boy is eight days old.
This is both a religious ritual and a medical procedure which is know in English as a circumcision. I dunno when the first circumcision was made but it was before Magellian's ships circumsized the world. Some people believe that Jews must all be optomists. What other group would have the hudspar (nerve) to trim a penis even before they know how short or long it might grow? The circumcisor is a specialist Rabbi called a Mohl. This is not a job for a Cohn or Levi. The grandfather of the boy (or if not, a brave volunteer) must hold the kids legs when the operation is performed. I forgot what the leg holder is called.
I dunno if it helps to get to get circumsizor if your family name is Mohl. I think that might be inconsequential. In modern times there is a special instrument used for the procedure that looks sort of like a Jennings vacuum capacitor (without the vacuum). The ceremony itself is called in Hebrew a "peed-na-ben". You can remember this if you are not a Hebrew student, because it sort of sounds like "peed in a bin".
Now here is where the Cohn has to come in. If the peed-na-ben is for your first born son you have to find a Cohn. If you don't have a Cohn who is a relative of yours, any Cohn will do. Any Cohn will be glad to do what the Cohn has to do because unlike the Mohl there is no cutting envolved and the Cohn always gets paid for doing nothing. The thing is: you have to give the Cohn some big coins (in the USA silver dollars could do, 5 dollar gold pieces could even be better) as part of this ritual. You are supposed to be buying your first born boy from the Cohn...even though he had nothing to do with the baby being born. Mind you he is just a Cohn...not a Clone. I think that symbolically the Cohn is supposed to be God's representative, and your first born son always belongs to God until you redeam him from a Cohn.
All I have to say is you can save a lot of time and money if you only have daughters because there is no ceremony necessarily involved for baby girls.
The same goes for the 13 year old ritual that Jewish boys go through
(it is like a Catholic Confirmation) called a Bar-Mitzfah. Girls never got Bar-mitzfahed in the old days just as they never had to be bought from a Cohn...because in the othrodox religion women weren't required to read and were not worth even a few silver sheckels. Today the Jewish girls have equal rights with the boys and Bat-Mitzfas or Bass-Mitzfahs have been created so that they can feel as important as boys.
Oh yeah...At the peed-na-ben the kid gets named his first name in both Hebrew and in English. Only the English name shows up on the birth certificate that is issued by the county board of health. He may only use his Hebrew name on his tomb stone if he doesn't go to synagogue but he has to have one.
I wrote all this here because I want to inform my Christian friends that there is nothing secret or mystical about these old religious customs and to insure them that these observances are not a threat to anyone who isn't Jewish and might not want to be bought, named, renamed or circumsized.
To many Jews these rituals are just a part of the joy of being Jewish (I think)...just like the joy of being constipated every April from eating too many matzohs. Its just as traditional as a fraternity initiatrion or a Woff Hong ceremony.
73,
w2ilp (Initiating Lubbotisher Padres)
What, did the San Diego Padres move??
KC0NBW
05-10-2005, 02:12 AM
Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ May 06 2005,19:16)]To many Jews these rituals are just a part of the joy of being Jewish (I think)...just like the joy of being constipated every April from eating too many matzohs. #Its just as traditional as a fraternity initiatrion or a Woff Hong ceremony.
73,
w2ilp (Initiating Lubbotisher Padres)
what do you think was the original purpose of the
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W2ILP
05-11-2005, 06:46 PM
Someone asked about the original purpose of a Woff Hong.
Actially a Woff Hong is just a couple of pieces of wood lashed together. You could take a Woff Hong on any airplane in your carry on, without having it confiscated for security purposes.
BUT
In the early days of radio H.P. Maxim (using the pen name the O.M.) created the Woff Hong. This was to scare early lids into sending cleaner CW and keeping their signals inside reasonable bandwidths. In those days it must have been easier to scare people. Some people were more afraid of the Woff Hong than of FCC examiners. The other organizations had always had initiation ceremonies where hazings and secret information was imparted to "members only". This includes college frat Greek societies, and organizations like the Masons and the Knights of Tel Aviv.
In the early days radio was considered not just a technological communications method but a mystical magical mode of telepathy.
And so it had to have not just technoical information like how to quench a spark coil...but some magic wand to be carried by the expert hams who were the wizards of the ether. This was all before there were Internet gurus. Anyway the hams were all scared of the Wofff Hong and thus motivated to attend a secret initiation ceramony in hopes of learning what it was and how to develop anti-Woff Hong countermeasures.
I am always trying to get people interested in Ham Radio for educational purposes. As a last resort: I asked a guy who knows all there is to know about hardware and software, if he would be interested in learning what a Woff Hong is for.
He took a look at one in a issue of "QST". He said "I know what Woff Hongs are for and everyone who isn't a ham knows what they are for. We can see them used 7/24 on porno sites."
73,
Bob w2ilp (Inserting Labia Probes?)
2ILP,
Thanks for the explanation on Cohn. Very instructive and interesting read.
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