Code versus no-code

[w3sy]

So should we continue to test on code, or what? Some people think code is still a valuable skill. Some think code is no longer relevant.

How say you?

[W8EFA]

Steve, what has gotten into you! Haven't you stirred things up enough with the Pope thread for 1 weekend? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w3sy]

Don't wanna talk about the Pope. Too hot a topic for this crowd.

We're talking code versus no-code. Should we test on it? Why or why not?

Your turn. Go!

[KC0LFV]

Steve, you really do make me laugh. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ April 03 2005,19:27)]So should we continue to test on code, or what? Some people think code is still a valuable skill. Some think code is no longer relevant.

How say you?
LOL & splitting my side!!!!!!

[w3sy]

How 'bout I start the "ball" rolling here.

I say code is fun.

Anyone else?

[KC0LFV]

Well, I, for one, love code, just need to work on my speed.

[w2wtf]

This topic should be as dead as the pope by now.....

[W8EFA]

Absolutely! If I had to do it everyone should have to do it! In fact everyone should have to take it like I did in an FCC office where the atmosphere was like an interrogation room! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w3sy]

No, Brad. We're talking code here. How do you FEEL?

Go!

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ April 03 2005,19:41)]No, Brad. We're talking code here. How do you FEEL?

Go!
Considering the fact that I have a cold, kinda like crap.
Oh code, right, I could really care less either way, think I'll adopt a position of fanatical apathy on this debate...


btw SY as of 22:44 eastern time the, Pope is still dead...

Want some of my Pope Soap on a Rope? It will wash away your sins....guaranteed.....

[wd5kca]

Ok, I am in an argumentative mood right now, so here goes...


The code segments of the bands should remain as they are. Remove code from the basic tests, but any ham that wanted to work CW would need to pass a code test.

Keep a high speed test of (I forgot how may wpm) to get access to the current Extra Class CW segments.

[w3sy]

Nope. No Pope. Please, let's not turn everything on QRZ into a Pope/No-Pope thread.

We're talkin' code here, Brad. Should we test, or should we not? If so, why? If not, why not?

[w2wtf]

No we shouldn't have code, it a test on only one mode of many.....

[w2wtf]

We should keep code to preserve our traditions....

[w2wtf]

Whatever, I don't care anymore about code either way.....

[KW4MW]

Perhaps we need to really consider the fact that a lot of newbies think that using Morse Code is antiquated. #

So in keeping with the times let's drop the Morse Code requirement and make everyone learn ASCII.

Example: #

dit dah dit dit dit dit dah dah #( C )
dit dah dit dah dit dit dit dah #( Q )

Kind of spices up that 5 WPM requirement.

[KG4CGC]

I think the Pope took a code test.

[wa4brl]

No we shouldn't have a Pope, despite the Cardinals' test, his only one religious leader among many.....

[wa4brl]

We should keep the Pope to preserve our traditions....

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 03 2005,21:54)]I would like to read a new / original excuse #for NOT being able to learn a simple #( only ) 5 words in a 60 second time frame. #flying colors.
because YOU like it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KW4MW]

Is the Pope like Extra Class Catholic?

[KG4CGC]

I'm still a recovering Cathaholic.

[k6bbc]

I'm a 13 WPM Advanced so I'm better than all you sinners.

K6BBC

[wa4brl]

Quote[/b] ]I would like to read a new / original excuse for NOT being able to learn a simple ( only ) 5 words in a 60 second time frame.
Because I LOVE the code.

If you love something, set it free.
If it comes back, it's yours.
If it doesn't, it never was.

I haven't seen THAT one posted before! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

So I guess if your code does not come back you're a No Code Tech?

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ April 03 2005,22:32)]or a

So I guess if your code does not come back you're a No Code Tech?
Or a No Pope Priest. Which would make you...Episcopalian(sp)

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ April 03 2005,20:22)]I'm still a recovering Cathaholic.
Is this anything like being a recovering Whiskeypalian?

[KC0NBW]

look up hv1cn ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w2wtf]

I was for it before I decided to be against it.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w5klb]

I say Code today, Code tomorrow, Code forever.

[KG4CGC]

Code today, Cod tomorrow

[KG4CGC]

And so once again, Confusion says:
As for me because of that I say.... before having decided to confront that as, tomorrow today when I who am the cord/code, the cord/code designate the cord/code, permanently. Is the legal emperor like the excessive class the present cord/code, the tare.... tomorrow we should maintain the legal emperor in order to maintain our traditions Catholic teaching? I advanced 13 WPM, is, therefore as for me entirely better sinners. When what is loved, put in place that freely. If it returns, it is your. Never it was not.

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ April 03 2005,23:02)]And so once again, Confusion says:
As for me because of that I say.... before having decided to confront that as, tomorrow today when I who am the cord/code, the cord/code designate the cord/code, permanently. Is the legal emperor like the excessive class the present cord/code, the tare.... tomorrow we should maintain the legal emperor in order to maintain our traditions Catholic teaching? I advanced 13 WPM, is, therefore as for me entirely better sinners. When what is loved, put in place that freely. If it returns, it is your. Never it was not.
Chackel,

STOP IT. I am tired wasting perfectly good tea though my nose.

I am sure glad we stocked on paper towels.

LMAO http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KG4CGC]

I just love that babble-fish translator from Alta-Vista. KC0KBH hit a home run with his speak engrish thread. Yes, he created a monster. I will only use it for the comic threads or for comic relief. But never in serious threads. Well maybe sometimes in serious threads but never outside of talk and opinions. Maybe sometimes outside of T&O but never in Q&A. Well.....................
#
# #The Confusion Say version:



I love the translator of that noise fish from Alta-Vista exactly. KC0KBH hit the thread of engrish which you speak to that home run. It was, he drew up the monster. I use that only the comedy thread or for comedy rescue. But never with the serious thread. Occasionally, but perhaps with the serious thread outside well story, never and opinion. Perhaps, but outside occasionally T&O never Q&A.

[KG6YTZ]

Code today, code tomorrow, but it's almost summer so it's gonna warm up soon. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[G8ADD]

In an increasing number of countries code as a license requirement is dead.

In professional communications code is dead.

Despite this, in those countries where code as a license requirement is dead, code as a mode used by hams is very much alive.

So keep provision for code in the band plans, let anyone who wishes to, dabble with a paddle. As long as hams need it, it will be there.

If it dies it won't be worth a tear. If it survives it may be worth a cheer.

Some of you sound like someone who, having sold his buggy and bought a new-fangled horseless carriage, thinks that everone who uses the road should carry a whip.

Code as a mode is fun, but it ain't a vital necessity any more.

Get over it.

73

Brian G8ADD

[KC0LFV]

I just realized this, but I think Steve (SY) is the only person on this forumn that cannot start a very heated code/no-code debate. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w2wtf]

How about a pope/no pope debate? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC0LFV]

THAT he does pretty well in. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[N7AAO]

Steve, ain't this expired equine been beaten enough yet?

[KC7ATO]

I am heartbroken with the passing of the ARRL....no wait a minute it was da Pope yeah da Pope..nevermind!!!

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (KC7ATO @ April 04 2005,07:22)]I am heartbroken with the passing of the ARRL....no wait a minute it was da Pope yeah da Pope..nevermind!!!
6 one way, half a dozen the other, both are controlled by a bunch of OF's with a foot in the grave....

[K8PJS]

I think they should require a test on SSTV.

[KC0LFV]

Quote[/b] (K8PJS @ April 03 2005,08:31)]I think they should require a test on SSTV.
You should have to decode the picture by ear.

[n0ov]

What about adding pictures.

Show a picture of three CB's and an HF Rig and ask, which one would you choose to own......................

I'll leave it up to Steve to figure out how to grade Charley the Chicken Bander on this one.

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (K8PJS @ April 04 2005,07:31)]I think they should require a test on SSTV.
Then I couldn't see it. (Well, I could, but it means turning on my MMSSTYVYRRTTYY-coded software.)

Maybe on cable? No, I don't have that, either.

Ah, DishNetwork. That'll work.


I'm for a no-Pope code. A coded Pope will be poped in the code. Like a pope with a code in the node. But lots of folks have nodes these days, so do they also have codes? Or only popes can have coded nodes?

Da' pope was a man. Proved it by dying.

Also proved TV is worthless. No news but pope news.

Guess that's gonna be true till a week after Friday. I just saw there is a move to bury the Pope's heart in Poland, and his body at the Vatican. No kidding. I suppose, since he had two lungs, one could be buried in Arkansas and one in California. His liver could go to New York, and a kidney each to Frankfurt and Moscow. And his .... uh, no, I better not do that. Texas has enough problems. Wait! Send it to Baltimore!

Ed

[n9zxk]

EP

I am alot better then you. Why you ask.... I dont cry about code or no code.... You left the door open on that one dude

[W0LC]

Did I miss something? Is this a new topic?

Hi.....NOT!

[KM5FL]

Let me see if I got this right...

Steve, you want us to discuss the direction code should take??

(1) Elect a know code pope

(2) Elect a no cope pope

(3) Elect a no code pope

(4) Elect a Baptist pope

(5) Send EP to the "vatigan" (where ever that is http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif )

KM5FL

[KM5FL]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 04 2005,19:14)]Wha huppend to w3sy ? #Where DID he go ?
He's on his way to Vatican City.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif (This was your idea.. Remember?)


KM5FL

[wa4brl]

A pro code, open-node multi-mode, on the road with a heavy-load, seed-been-sowed, too gentle to goad, soap on a rope, ain't no dope, rinsed with Scope, walks with a lope, given enough rope, don't say nope, not one to mope, full of hope but prepared to cope, extra-class pope!

"hvy QRM from the square OM, hv to put last rites to this QSO -- 73 de HV3HS" (Holy See)

Would his general call be a "holy 'see' Q"?

[kg4kww]

Ok, you heathens, listen up, enough with the pope on a rope soap or pope farts when dead stuff.

Ask for forgiveness for your sins against the church.

Now back to this thread.

Code is out of date mode of communications and should not be a requirement for hf phone access. If folks want to use code, then let them get an endorsement that will allow then to have access to the code part of the bands.

999

The removal of code as a testing requirement will generate more business for the ham radio makers and sellers. Because, more people will be incline to buy HF gear.

3SY, are you going to invest in sense-o-wipe.
The auto tail wiper of the future?

[KM5FL]

Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ April 04 2005,23:49)]A pro code, open-node multi-mode, on the road with a heavy-load, seed-been-sowed, too gentle to goad, soap on a rope, ain't no dope, rinsed with Scope, walks with a lope, given enough rope, don't say nope, not one to mope, full of hope but prepared to cope, extra-class pope!
Muhammed Ali said the same thing about Joe Frasier.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KM5FL

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 04 2005,22:01)]Code is out of date mode of communications and should not be a requirement for hf phone access. If folks want to use code, then let them get an endorsement that will allow then to have access to the code part of the bands.


The removal of code as a testing requirement will generate more business for the ham radio makers and sellers. Because, more people will be incline to buy HF gear.
apparently your efforts to learn the code are not going very well right now ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ April 05 2005,14:41)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 04 2005,22:01)]Code is out of date mode of communications and should not be a requirement for hf phone access. If folks want to use code, then let them get an endorsement that will allow then to have access to the code part of the bands.


The removal of code as a testing requirement will generate more business for the ham radio makers and sellers. Because, more people will be incline to buy HF gear.
apparently your efforts to learn the code are not going very well right now ? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Echolink has given many enough to play with so they don't have to learn the code, or take the general test. #They will just stay there #if/when the fcc drops the requirement. #

I say, make echolink people learn the code, and take the written general test, #if they speak to anyone outside the range of a normal vhf antenna with normal vhf power!!!!! #Otherwise they are circumventing our licensing requirements.

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 05 2005,16:31)]If a few select folks would / could spend HALF as much time studying as they do posting #they not only would have passed the easy test, but be on - the - air on HF enjoying all the fun !!

But laziness is a great excuse, even if you wont admit it here, aint it ?

hint hint
I agree............... Why? do we keep bringing this subject up anyway?.

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ April 06 2005,02:31)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 05 2005,16:31)]If a few select folks would / could spend HALF as much time studying as they do posting #they not only would have passed the easy test, but be on - the - air on HF enjoying all the fun !!

But laziness is a great excuse, even if you wont admit it here, aint it ?

hint hint
I agree............... # Why? do we keep bringing this #subject up #anyway?.
See KG4CGC's avatar for the answer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w2wtf]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/avatars/uploaded_post-8-70528-beatdeadhorse.gif

[K7JBQ]

Quote[/b] (kg4foy @ April 06 2005,09:30)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/avatars/uploaded_post-8-70528-beatdeadhorse.gif
Yeah, buddy.

You have no idea how much we moderators appreciated Steve's bringing this gluebag back up.

73,
Bill

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (K7JBQ @ April 06 2005,09:33)]You have no idea how much we moderators appreciated Steve's bringing this gluebag back up.
The most spirited discussions on QRZ have centered around the fact that some lazy morons of the "gimme" generation can't/won't learn code and become real hams, while other senile old farts are stuck in the dark ages and use antiquated Morse to accelerate the imminent death of our hobby, I mean service, no... hobby.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W5MJL]

I think we should give hf privileges to all NCT's as long as they operate their stations within 100 yards of BPL lines. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB9YCO]

I think we should worry about the quality, content , and multiple choice aspects of THE TEST, instead of whether or not there is a code requirement. Simple memorization tests, regardless of a code requirement, are not going to bring better operators to the hobby/service. All this time spent worrying about code and so little time spent worrying about the test.
There I said it again, since this topic was posted again, again, again...

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ April 05 2005,12:41)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 04 2005,22:01)]Code is out of date mode of communications and should not be a requirement for hf phone access. If folks want to use code, then let them get an endorsement that will allow then to have access to the code part of the bands.


The removal of code as a testing requirement will generate more business for the ham radio makers and sellers. Because, more people will be incline to buy HF gear.
apparently your efforts to learn the code are not going very well right now ? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I'll "Dit-Dar-Dit" that!

Same old record, just another track.

[W5MJL]

I'll be right back. I need to go start the "newest code versus no code" thread. We need to get to the moderators and ask if there is a way this ikonboard can generate an automatic code vs no code thread on a weekly basis. We also need to find some methodology to determine IF ANYONE HAS EVER CHANGED THEIR MIND ON THIS ISSUE.

[W0LC]

Newts! (http://sounds.wavcentral.com/movies/monty/rabbit_fowl.mp3)

Vicious code bunny!

[n0nwo]

Oh golly! Another code/no code thread. This is beginning to feel like Groundhog Day going on day #2362 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Minton

[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (n0nwo @ April 06 2005,15:19)]Oh golly! Another code/no code thread. #This is beginning to feel like Groundhog Day #going on day ##2362 #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #

Minton
How about an English, no English debate. Not many really use it anymore! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ April 06 2005,16:20)]How about an English, no English debate. Not many really use it anymore! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Ich stimme zu. Wir, aller Gebrauch die deutsche Sprache wenn.

[N7VQM]

I feel yes we should continue code testing but in the way N0PU advocated. Other mode should be on the test, as well. Make that part non-multiple choice.

Also, the tests and the prep material should include a section on how to properly describe your latest liver biopsy.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 06 2005,18:33)]So one of you folks who know a lot about computers could simplify things a lot for others seeking KNOWLEDGE about certain topics and keep things on a simplier scale for all to enjoy.

Volunteers ?

I would, but lack the abilities and knowledge to attempt to try that.
that's because you know that old,outmoded morse code !

if you were a nct that is not afraid of change, you would be able to solve a simple problem like that is a few seconds ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kg4kww]

Echolink, the code free HF of the future !!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 07 2005,00:13)]Echolink, the code free HF of the future !!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Yeah, wouldn't that be cool. Laptop's and 5w ht's. Yes, amateur radio has a bright future. Hell, you could even go to Starbucks and work emergency traffic. And if you study real hard, you can be the first to take down the whole system with a virus. Yep, I just can't wait. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ April 06 2005,16:56)]Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ April 06 2005,16:20)]How about an English, no English debate. Not many really use it anymore! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Ich stimme zu. Wir, aller Gebrauch die deutsche Sprache wenn.
Nein, Du bist ein Auslander! Nicht sprechen Deutsch!
Deutsch ist verboten in der Vereinigenstaten!

[W5MJL]

Tienes razón. El español, sin embargo, no se prohíbe.

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 07 2005,00:13)]Echolink, the code free HF of the future !!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or throw up at this comment.

Either way, it's pretty sad....... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (W0LC @ April 07 2005,08:01)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ April 06 2005,16:56)]Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ April 06 2005,16:20)]How about an English, no English debate. Not many really use it anymore! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Ich stimme zu. Wir, aller Gebrauch die deutsche Sprache wenn.
Nein, Du bist ein Auslander! Nicht sprechen Deutsch!
Deutsch ist verboten in der Vereinigenstaten!
Ich bin nicht ein Auslander. Ich bin ein Amerikaner. Wenn es nicht für Amerika war, würde die ganze Welt Japaner oder Deutsches sprechen.

[K7JBQ]

Quote[/b] (n3jja @ April 07 2005,08:27)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 07 2005,00:13)]Echolink, the code free HF of the future !!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or throw up at this comment.

Either way, it's pretty sad....... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
More like the HF-free HF of the future.
At least training wheels come equipped with a bike.

73,
Bill

[KB9YCO]

OK, since we're repeating ourselves, I must point out that the usage and reason for VOIP linking is nothing like HF is usage, reason, or style. The constant comparison is inapt and wholly inaccurate. One does not use Echolink, or any other VOIP, for the same reason as you would use HF, or traditional radio in any band. It's just another tool in the toolbag, not a replacement for HF. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again. Just thought I'd repeat myself again...

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ April 07 2005,11:25)]It's just another tool in the toolbag, not a replacement for HF.
It isn't a replacement right now, but it is certainly a threat to amateur radio.

Let's say we start keeping statistics about emergency communications. #Let's also say, that voip works in 75% or 80% of the cases. #

Now let's say it's budget time. #The government needs to cut everyone's budget. #Now, let's say congress looks at the the FCC and decides we need to cut some money from their budget. #Under normal circumstances, they might say, amateur radio is an important emergency link so we cannot cut from their budget. #But now, they start thinking to themselves that voip can take care of 75% of the nation's emergency problems. #It may be worth the risk to cut the fcc budget.

Now the fcc looks at what they spend in enforcement of AR, and they notice that there are many large corporations that would love the use of our bands. #They put two and two together, and wham, problem is solved.

Unlikely? #I don't think so. #Half the amateurs that use voip actually believe that it is radio communications. #If they are convinced it is, how are we going to convince someone in congress that voip is not?

[KB9YCO]

If it still utilizes HF at the other end, and you require a license to use it, it is still amateur radio. Does that mean we should rely on it, or that it is a replacement for traditional radio? Not at all. If you see this perception being prospered by individuals or government officials then you need to make sure that they know there is a vast difference. VOIP is just an addition to the service, not a replacement for anything already in place. As long as everyone knows that than there is no problem. As long as we're still using BOTH, and not trying to replace one for the other, it's not an issue. Besides, if the FCC has a big business agenda that wants to take away spectrum, they're going to do it for their own reasons regardless of what is going on with amateur radio. The government will do what they feel the need/want to do either way, sadly.

[n0ov]

Wonder if there were similiar exchanges when SSB was introduced by the AM crowd?

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (w0pee @ April 07 2005,12:05)]Wonder if there were similiar exchanges when SSB was introduced by the AM crowd?
From what I remember, I don't think so, or at least, I didn't see it. Most amateurs built their equipment back then. Even though most knew it would alleviate the crowding of the bands, they just didn't want to have to change their rigs to accomodate another mode of operation. They were content. When someone is content with the way something is, it is very difficult to change their minds. As the population of amateurs grew and the interference increased, SSB seemed to be welcomed.

I have heard many mention, that voip is just another mode. It's not a mode of transmission. There will never be a little button on your transceiver that will say "Voip" or "echolink".

[AK7V]

Keep the code requirement, but if someone can build hardware or write software, on their own, that can decode the test administrator's fist, they pass.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] ]
I have heard many mention, that voip is just another mode. It's not a mode of transmission. There will never be a little button on your transceiver that will say "Voip" or "echolink". ka5fap
Agreed, thusly the reason to point out the difference. I've never claimed it to be another 'mode', but I do think it's a fun and interesting tool with nothing akin to tradtional radio beyond the fact that the end result is radio frequency.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ April 03 2005,19:27)]So should we continue to test on code, or what? Some people think code is still a valuable skill. Some think code is no longer relevant.

How say you?

Quote[/b] ]
Code versus no-code (Pages 1 2 3 ..10 )
What do you think?

I think that I will have another beer.

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ April 07 2005,13:22)]Quote[/b] (w3sy @ April 03 2005,19:27)]So should we continue to test on code, or what? Some people think code is still a valuable skill. Some think code is no longer relevant.

How say you?

Quote[/b] ]
Code versus no-code (Pages 1 2 3 ..10 )
What do you think?

I think that I will have another beer.
Martini, please..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[n4onl]

Well, if you insist! :rock:

Please post some more rationalizations/ego boosts about why amateur radio needs code, and how passing code exam makes anyone a "real ham", ...yadda..., I need the laughs! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

73
mike

[kb9ygd]

Im Of The Opinion That If You Dont Do CW,Keep A Logbook & Qsl 100% You Are Not A Real Ham!73,``THE REAL HAM``My Webpage (mysite.verizon.net/res868sp/thetriantafilosfamily/index.html)

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ April 05 2005,16:13)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ April 05 2005,14:41)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 04 2005,22:01)]Code is out of date mode of communications and should not be a requirement for hf phone access. If folks want to use code, then let them get an endorsement that will allow then to have access to the code part of the bands.


The removal of code as a testing requirement will generate more business for the ham radio makers and sellers. Because, more people will be incline to buy HF gear.
apparently your efforts to learn the code are not going very well right now ? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Echolink has given many enough to play with so they don't have to learn the code, or take the general test. #They will just stay there #if/when the fcc drops the requirement. #

I say, make echolink people learn the code, and take the written general test, #if they speak to anyone outside the range of a normal vhf antenna with normal vhf power!!!!! #Otherwise they are circumventing our licensing requirements.
How's this for a solution? Restore the old prohibition on using AR frequencies to bypass paying toll charges, but in reverse. Make it illegal to interface commercial telecommunications with Amateur radio systems, to bypass licensing requirements.

[wa9cwx]

I have NOT read all the posts on this thread.
I don't need to.

If you don't KNOW the code, you are some kind of radio USER, #N O T #OPERATOR #(PERIOD)

If you don't USE code, that is a choice, it DOES NOT effect your #user/operator status (PERIOD)

The dropping of code for Ham radio licensing is a reflection of the times. ie:

(1)Automated gear not requiring real skill just to talk.

(2), a "gimme it cause I want it" mentality.

(3) General lowering of standards that has affected many aspects of our society.

No other opinions are needed.

You can close this thread now.

Frank

[ka4pne]

To each his/her own! #Your choices are none of my business. #But, for those that choose not to enjoy the HF CW experience, you have no idea what you are missing. #It really is a lot of fun. #I remember when I first started to learn code. #At first and was intimidating and a little frustrating. #However, I set a learning pace and stuck with it. #I learned code over 25 years ago in the U.S. Navy @ 20wpm and have enjoyed it ever since. # Most importantly, I lost count of how many times CW saved a life in Vietnam (Seabees) or from the radio shack on the Destroyer. #Now, If I'm not on HF SSB, I'm chasing CW DX. #And, I've still got my Navy J-37 straight key. #CQ DX DE KA5PNE/4 K # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[w5klb]

After reading the responses to this thread I can see that the code/no code debate is really a problem with the motivation to learn. These same people who have this problem are also the ones who think that Echolink/IRLP is Amateur Radio and a way to make those "long distance DX contacts". What they refuse to understand is that by learning code, passing a test (if that's what you choose to call it) to get on HF, requires learing something about how to operate the rig to make those true "point to point" contacts. This requires real operating skills that you just can't get from Echolink/IRLP.

I used to think that learning code should be a choice and should be considered another mode. After reading many a code/no code debate on this forum, I am beginning to see that these "no coders" lack the motivation to learn a requirement. This may reflect their thinking on other things concerning the Service as well. Maybe they would do well to stay at their current licensing level or let their license expire and take up another hobby.

At 5 WPM, the requirement isn't THAT hard. Some of you need to quit whinning and sniveling about it and just do it.

Go ahead and flame me if some of you wish. My fire extinguisher is at the ready.

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ April 27 2005,08:32)]After reading the responses to this thread I can see that the code/no code debate is really a problem with the motivation to learn. These same people who have this problem are also the ones who think that Echolink/IRLP is Amateur Radio and a way to make those "long distance DX contacts". What they refuse to understand is that by learning code, passing a test (if that's what you choose to call it) to get on HF, requires learing something about how to operate the rig to make those true "point to point" contacts. This requires real operating skills that you just can't get from Echolink/IRLP.

I used to think that learning code should be a choice and should be considered another mode. After reading many a code/no code debate on this forum, I am beginning to see that these "no coders" lack the motivation to learn a requirement. This may reflect their thinking on other things concerning the Service as well. Maybe they would do well to stay at their current licensing level or let their license expire and take up another hobby.

At 5 WPM, the requirement isn't THAT hard. Some of you need to quit whinning and sniveling about it and just do it.

Go ahead and flame me if some of you wish. My fire extinguisher is at the ready.
Amen.

[kj3n]

*yawn*

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (n3jja @ April 27 2005,08:53)]*yawn*
speaking of dead horses http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KB9YCO]

I don't know, maybe because it's a discussion (sometimes) that goes nowhere? That's just a guess since I don't know who you are referring to, but that would be my reason. I make my point a few times and then move on. These debates are the amateur equivalent of arguing religion, people will believe what they wish to regardless of how much we debate/discuss/argue/whine/etc.

[ki4eyo]

no code!

[KG4CGC]

I'd like to think that my avatar expresses my sentiments on code debates.

[ai4ep]

Yep, arguing about code / no code is about as worthwhile as arguing about ---

ford / chevy

coke / pepsi

cst / dst ( time )

glasses / contacts

and so on.

All I use for a reference is that every morning, I come here to qrz and there are no headlines from the FCC about a change in the rules & regulations concerning the topic.

JUST THE SIMPLE FACT OF IT ALL

[k9cn]

Yeah, but how much that makes up most communication on the ham bands REALLY needs to be discussed either?

(Personally, I sometimes like beating dead horses -- much of the joy in life comes from lively discussion and hearing the same things over and over.)

[ai4ep]

Yep, some folks really get in a tizzy about it...like the FINAL DECISION will be made right here & now ( yea...suuure ! ).

Aint no way the FINAL DECISION will be made by 10 - 15 hams in a forum on a computer...I get MY wish every morning when I come here and there are NO headlines that the FCC has actually done any thing.

Just the basic facts.

[N8CPA]

I guess it's worth posting again.
To the tune of "If I Only Had..."
from the Wizard of Oz:

If It Wasn't For the Code.

I am sick of just 2 meters
and yackin' on repeaters
From mobile and my home.
It's an upgrade I been needin'
But that Element One's impedin'.
If it wasn't for the code!

I could talk with every nation
On H F allocations
Using just voice mode.
I could be a big DX-er,
Be an Extra, not a Tech-er
If it wasn't for the code!

Imagine me!
Extra code-free!
I'd key my microphone:
"CQ CQ To-ky-o"
I'd be a "HAM!"
HOT DAMN!

I'm no better and no badder
And it really shouldn't matter,
My preference for which mode.
But I could be more than local,
And not just a licensed yokel
If it wasn't for the code!

[Bridge. Of course, for every song, there's a dance. Choreography by NCI, #5YI, et ilk. #The dance music plays a complete stanza up to "If it wasn't for..." But in the "imagine me" portion, at the CQ line, the music suddenly changes to -.-. --.- -.. -..- #
The HAM stops dancing. #Looks up, pouts, stomps his foot, and shakes his fist at the powers that be. #He then continues singing in sad, low notes]

I could wile away long hours
Discussin' rigs and towers
With stations antipode.*
And I swear there'd #be no jammin'
While I filled my log with HAMmin'
If it wasn't for the code! #

#
*That word is there just for the rhyme. There's no way hardcore code haters would use it in speech, since it has too many syllables to bother learning to pronounce.

[K3WVU]

I dare you to go to Eham and ask this question. #The freebanders would come out of the woodwork!

73

Dwight K3WVU http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 29 2005,14:06)]I guess it's worth posting again.
To the tune of "If I Only Had..."
from the Wizard of Oz:

If It Wasn't For the Code.

I am sick of just 2 meters
and yackin' on repeaters
From mobile and my home.
It's an upgrade I been needin'
But that Element One's impedin'.
If it wasn't for the code!

I could talk with every nation
On H F allocations
Using just voice mode.
I could be a big DX-er,
Be an Extra, not a Tech-er
If it wasn't for the code!

Imagine me!
Extra code-free!
I'd key my microphone:
"CQ CQ To-ky-o"
I'd be a "HAM!"
HOT DAMN!

I'm no better and no badder
And it really shouldn't matter,
My preference for which mode.
But I could be more than local,
And not just a licensed yokel
If it wasn't for the code!

[Bridge. Of course, for every song, there's a dance. Choreography by NCI, #5YI, et ilk. #The dance music plays a complete stanza up to "If it wasn't for..." But in the "imagine me" portion, at the CQ line, the music suddenly changes to -.-. --.- -.. -..- #
The HAM stops dancing. #Looks up, pouts, stomps his foot, and shakes his fist at the powers that be. #He then continues singing in sad, low notes]

I could wile away long hours
Discussin' rigs and towers
With stations antipode.*
And I swear there'd #be no jammin'
While I filled my log would with HAMmin'
If it wasn't for the code! #

#
*That word is there just for the rhyme. There's no way hardcore code haters would use it in speech, since it has too many syllables to bother learning to pronounce.
That's the first time I have seen that. Great JOB!!!!

[KA4DPO]

I think it's time to put this Code - No Code thing to rest. #Therefore, I propose that we collectively develop an entirely new code. #This new code will not be sent using a commutator, thats key for the stupid, but by speaking each code character slowly into the microphone. #By developing a "SPEACH CODE" every looser, well almost every looser, can become proficient in code.

So, let's get started. #The first character will be A, the second character will be B, the third character will be C, and so on.

Even a knock kneed bone headed CBer could tackle this code, assuming they passed the third grade and have a rudimentary understanding of the alphabet.

So lets hear those ideas from y'all.

[ai4ep]

Well, aint the morse code been around for around or about 100 years ?

That is YEARS, not months, weeks or just a few days.

It must be pretty dern good to have lasted this long.

So...after thinking about about as long as it took YOU to read this sentence, I have voted to keep the code.

Sorry I had to think about it that long to reach a decision, but as you can see, I have already started no less than 2 new threads, and for April, that is pretty good for me,,,plus I did not get chewed out too many times this month, at least not by any one wiser then me...so after tomorrow, it will be MAY, 2005.

Dont you just hate it when you have to argue with some one that is not as smart as you ? Cause even if you win, you dont win nothing by defeating some one that is NOT as wise as you. It is a waste of good time. Plus the folks on the sidelines wont go along with the wiser of the two...they want the DUMBER of the 2 to win, so some time in the future, they can challenge him, and they might stand a chance of winning.

Ok, enough psycotherapy for today, those of you with short attention spans are already gone anyway...that is why SHORT POSTS on internet web threads are more popular then LONG posts, so that folks with short attention spans wont get lost and wander off.

Confused ? It is okay, there are others out there that are reading this post who are confused, too...but they wont speak up either.

{{ The most intelligent lines are at the bottom of my post, so start at the bottom and read up to get to the DUMB part.}}

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 29 2005,15:48)]Well, aint the morse code been around for around or about 100 years ?

That is YEARS, not months, weeks or just a few days.

It must be pretty dern good to have lasted this long.

So...after thinking about about as long as it took YOU to read this sentence, I have voted to keep the code.

Sorry I had to think about it that long to reach a decision, but as you can see, I have already started no less than 2 new threads, and for April, that is pretty good for me,,,plus I did not get chewed out too many times this month, at least not by any one wiser then me...so after tomorrow, it will be MAY, 2005.

Dont you just hate it when you have to argue with some one that is not as smart as you ? #Cause even if you win, you dont win nothing by defeating some one that is NOT as wise as you. It is a waste of good time. #Plus the folks on the sidelines wont go along with the wiser of the two...they want the DUMBER of the 2 to win, so some time in the future, they can challenge him, and they might stand a chance of winning.

Ok, enough psycotherapy for today, those of you with short attention spans are already gone anyway...that is why SHORT POSTS on internet web threads are more popular then LONG posts, so that folks with short attention spans wont get lost and wander off.

Confused ? #It is okay, there are others out there that are reading this post #who are confused, too...but they wont speak up either.

{{ The most intelligent lines are at the bottom of my post, so start at the bottom and read up to get to the DUMB part.}}
I choose to respond in my new " SPEACH CODE ".

Y O U R D U M B B U T Y O U W R I T E W E L L

It works better when spoken into a microphone and can even be used on FM.

B K

[ai4ep]

wrong way to use the word Y O U R...

correct way would be -- you're
( short for " you are " )

YOUR could be used as " this is your microphone "
you're could be used as " you're a fool "

understand or should some one else explain it the same way ?



I only made this post because you referred to MY post, and I feel that if you are going to " set me straight" you should be able to do it the correct way in every way.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 29 2005,19:36)]wrong way to use the word Y O U R...

correct way would be -- you're
( short for " you are " )

YOUR could be used as " this is your microphone "
you're could be used as " you're a fool "

understand #or should some one else explain it the same way ?



I only made this post because you referred to MY post, and I feel that if you are going to " set me straight" you should be able to do it the correct way in every way.

Dern I just went and did it again -- oh well -- old habits are hard to break !! # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Another fine point EP. Yes, it’s important to communicate clearly and succinctly is this litigious age. Once again, I’m proud to be a member of QRZ.COM!

K6BBC

[W5MJL]

well if your going to set him straight, set him straight on the word "speech" as well.

[N2MAQ]

oh ya well um I passed ity so all should have to pss it right ?

However, I see no need to learn somethign that your not gonna use.

Maybe people should get like a duck stamp for each mode they want to us ? And retake the exam every or say 3 years to prove they are still up on it ?

So is you like good good for you, If ya dont it's your right not to use it. But to be tested on it thinking it keeps the bands clear of thre riffraff is jsut not valid. I know plenty of CBer's that passed the code that can't solder a wire.

We have forgotten the real purpose of the test haven't we ?


I say stop the fighting about the code and work to keep hyam radio alive befor they sneak in and take more of our aiur space away !

[N8CPA]

Maybe the signature line of the FCC Form 605 should have words to the effect:

"I understand that I am applying for a license which may require that I study material, or develop nominal skills, in which I have little or no interest, and which I never intend to apply practically; And, I agree to abide by any operational limitations imposed by my lack of interest without complaint."

[kc8yhk]

ummm, errr.....
.-- .... --- / -. . . -.. ... / -.-. --- -.. . ..--..

[wa9cwx]

Anyone who wishes to read your post! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[GI0JFI]

Here in the UK we had to sit a test at 12wpm to get a class A ticket,the others who can't or will not learn morse get bored on 2m,so when we try to use the uplink on our repeaters somebody is playing music on it,so i like to think of the morse test as a narrow band filter. 73 Ben.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ April 29 2005,19:39)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 29 2005,19:36)]wrong way to use the word Y O U R...

correct way would be -- you're
( short for " you are " )

YOUR could be used as " this is your microphone "
you're could be used as " you're a fool "

understand #or should some one else explain it the same way ?



I only made this post because you referred to MY post, and I feel that if you are going to " set me straight" you should be able to do it the correct way in every way.

Dern I just went and did it again -- oh well -- old habits are hard to break !! # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Another fine point EP. #Yes, it’s important to communicate clearly and succinctly is this litigious age. #Once again, I’m proud to be a member of QRZ.COM!

K6BBC
I #S T A N D #C O R R E C T E D # Y O U R E #R I G H T

B K

I haven't figured out the punctuation system yet. #

This new code system will make every wannabe ham an extra by simply lowering the bar in a way that's sure to please even the most retarded.

BTW BBC, it’s important to communicate clearly and succinctly IN this litigious age. #Just wanted to clear that up as long as we're sharpshooting each other.

That was kind of a nasty response EP, considering that you don't know me maybe you should try to be a little more tactful.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kc8yhk @ April 30 2005,16:36)]ummm, errr.....
.-- .... --- / #-. . . -.. ... / #-.-. --- -.. . ..--..
you do, if you want hf privileges ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kc8yhk]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ April 30 2005,21:02)]Quote[/b] (kc8yhk @ April 30 2005,16:36)]ummm, errr.....
.-- .... --- / -. . . -.. ... / -.-. --- -.. . ..--..
you do, if you want hf privileges ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
.. ..-. / .. / -.-. --- ..- .-.. -.. / --. . - / --- ..- - / --- ..-. / - .... . / - .-. ..- -.-. -.- / .- -. -.. / -- .- -.- . / .. - / - --- / .- / - . ... - / .. / .-- --- ..- .-.. -.. / ..- .--. --. .-. .- -.. .

[n2knc]

Quote[/b] (kc8yhk @ April 30 2005,22:00)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ April 30 2005,21:02)]Quote[/b] (kc8yhk @ April 30 2005,16:36)]ummm, errr.....
.-- .... --- / #-. . . -.. ... / #-.-. --- -.. . ..--..
you do, if you want hf privileges ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
.. ..-. / #.. / #-.-. --- ..- .-.. -.. / #--. . - / #--- ..- - / #--- ..-. / #- .... . / #- .-. ..- -.-. -.- / #.- -. -.. / #-- .- -.- . / #.. - / #- --- / #.- / #- . ... - / #.. / #.-- --- ..- .-.. -.. / #..- .--. --. .-. .- -.. .


/ #- .... . / #- .-. ..- -.-. -.- / #.- -. -.. / #-- .- -.- . / #.. - / #- --- / #.- / #- . ... - / #.. / #.-- --- ..- .-.. -.. / #..- .--. --. .-. .- -.. .
/ #- .... . / #- .-. ..- -.-. -.- / #.- -. -.. / #-- .- -.- . / #.. - / #- --- / #.- / #- . ... - / #.. / #.-- --- ..- .-.. -.. / #..- .--. --. .-. .- -.. .
/ #- .... . / #- .-. ..- -.-. -.- / #.- -. -.. / #-- .- -.- . / #.. - / #- --- / #.- / #- . ... - / #.. / #.-- --- ..- .-.. -.. / #..- .--. --. .-. .- -.. .

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kc8yhk @ April 30 2005,22:00)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ April 30 2005,21:02)]Quote[/b] (kc8yhk @ April 30 2005,16:36)]ummm, errr.....
.-- .... --- / #-. . . -.. ... / #-.-. --- -.. . ..--..
you do, if you want hf privileges ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
.. ..-. / #.. / #-.-. --- ..- .-.. -.. / #--. . - / #--- ..- - / #--- ..-. / #- .... . / #- .-. ..- -.-. -.- / #.- -. -.. / #-- .- -.- . / #.. - / #- --- / #.- / #- . ... - / #.. / #.-- --- ..- .-.. -.. / #..- .--. --. .-. .- -.. .
perhaps you could drive the truck to a test site and spend a few minutes to take the test ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

you can take the test any place in the country , not just in your hometown .

[w0aew]

http://home.comcast.net/~winterbauer/downloads/rip.jpg

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K7JBQ]

The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

Sincerely,
International Morse.

OEW, let's discuss this. On, say, 30m.

73,
Bill