this just in

[kc7jty]

"All of the stupid *ss CBer's have become amateurs. What a riot listening to them tie up the local repeaters so everyone can here them be stupid. You will surely be entertained by them when you come back"

[K4KWH]

Sorry, but your post doesn't make sense. Care to elaborate?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KD4LEI]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Mar. 31 2005,04:33)]Sorry, but your post doesn't make sense. Care to elaborate?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I think what he is saying is that CB converts are using the repeaters and (in his friend's opinion) there's a bunch of folks who sound plain dumb on the air.

I would have to wonder what the amount of use the repeaters has been in the past before the CB crossovers got on and utilized them.

[ai4ep]

Well, which would you rather have on YOUR local repeater ---

1) what you would call " idiots "

2) just your cronies & pals

3) no one at all

[ai4ep]

...of course if you live along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico, or along the USA / MEXICAN border...every one would be from " up north " .

[KD4LEI]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Mar. 31 2005,10:54)]Well, which would you rather have on YOUR local repeater ---

1) what you would call " idiots "

2) just your cronies & pals

3) no one at all
Depends... Other than what jty has stated, we have no other opinion on who these guys are, or what they're actually like.

Would you have a dead repeater (other than the 10 min ID) have nothing on it, or just seasoned amateurs?

Other than rush hour in the morning/evenings here in the Omaha area, the repeaters are pretty dead.

Of course you get on HF and there's much more activity.

[ai4ep]

Oh yea, it is always sooo much FUN to listen to the local 2 meter repeaters on " rush hour Monday morning "...all these wild stories of " let ME tell YOU what I did this past weekend " ....I will let your imagination tell the rest .

But back to the topic of this thread ---
" up north " to some one in Dallas, Texas could be from Oklahoma ---

" up north " from some one in Los Angeles, California could be from San Fransisco, Calif.

" up north " from Atlanta , Georgia could be from Chattanooga, Tennessee

and so on

[KC9ECI]

We just had a Tech in a day class here a few weeks back. I hear some dumb things, I hear some CB influence. I also hear older hams come back and do a little Elmering, either by direct commentary, or by example. I'm getting a kick out of listening to the new guys learn and get better and start to experiment. I'm glad to have them. I can't wait for the next batch. Long Live Amateur Radio.

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Mar. 31 2005,19:07)]We just had a Tech in a day class here a few weeks back. I hear some dumb things, I hear some CB influence. I also hear older hams come back and do a little Elmering, either by direct commentary, or by example. I'm getting a kick out of listening to the new guys learn and get better and start to experiment. I'm glad to have them. I can't wait for the next batch. Long Live Amateur Radio.
Wow, somebody with the right attitude...How fresh and new....

[KD4LEI]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Mar. 31 2005,13:07)]We just had a Tech in a day class here a few weeks back. #I hear some dumb things, I hear some CB influence. #I also hear older hams come back and do a little Elmering, either by direct commentary, or by example. #I'm getting a kick out of listening to the new guys learn and get better and start to experiment. #I'm glad to have them. #I can't wait for the next batch. #Long Live Amateur Radio.
Of course it's entertaining to listen to the new people, but weren't we all? I was "reeled in" a few times early on, but I'm pretty much the one having to also do the same thing the older hams did with me. Amazing how that works! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Elmering will or SHOULD fix some of the issues that folks from the CB world bring with them.

I would rather see how things are for myself before I make an assumption based on someone else's opinion.

[KG6YTZ]

Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ Mar. 31 2005,18:29)]I would rather see how things are for myself before I make an assumption based on someone else's opinion.
Thank you for that, KD4LEI, and those of you who realize that there are bad hams as well as bad CB'ers and they are NOT necessarily all the same people. #I wonder how much of a minority that puts you in? #It seems to be rather small.

Yes, I am a CB'er, and have been for quite a while now, as I mentioned in another thread. #That statement alone surely brings up countless preconceived notions among some of you about me, what I know, what I can learn, and how I operate. #No, I am not a jammer, and never have been. #No, I am not a hillbilly and/or a truck driver. #No, I don't think I need multiple kilowatts to get across town. #No, I don't think QRM is a spectator sport.

I know the difference between "10" codes and Q-signals. #I know that "break" does NOT mean "by all means, please ignore me, because I don't really need to use the frequency after all." #I know how repeaters work, and how to use one. #I understand many aspects of basic theory - for instance, that changes in things like impedance and capacitance change resonance. #I can't design and build a rig from scratch, but dammit, I would LOVE to have that skill, and I have deep respect for those of you who do.

I work in broadcasting, as a master control operator for a Los Angeles area radio station. # #Granted, my job is concerned more with the flow of audio than with the technical aspects, but I was required to learn some elements of basic theory before I could get that job. #I have been there for well over 8 years. #Even before that, though, I still knew much more about some things than my classmates. #I have been interested in electronics since childhood, but I still have a great deal to learn.

I earned my license, even if it is a mere NCT at this point, because I want to learn about radio, NOT because I'm looking for "legal long-distance CB." #I want to upgrade, over time, and when I've learned what I need to learn - by which I do NOT mean memorizing a question pool. #I want to learn about radio.

Yes, my NCT license gives me privileges only in the bands where repeaters are most commonly used [6m perhaps being the exception]. #Yes, I realize that repeaters are not necessarily the preferred method of operation for higher classes, nor are they by any means the be-all-and-end-all of amateur radio. #I know there's a lot more out there, and I want to learn about it.

Some people, though, are unable to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but as you said, even they were new hams at one time. #Some of them, perhaps, came into amateur radio without having had the benefit of 17+ years of prior experience in other bands. #[i]11-meter radio is still radio. #The principles remain the same; the laws of physics don't change just in that one tiny little slice of spectrum. #Quite frankly, most CB'ers these days have been into it for years or even decades and many have a surprising amount of knowledge about radio. #There are very few new CB'ers getting on the air these days - the fad is over. #Cell phones are ubiquitous.

To be honest, if you want a group that - as a purely general rule, and almost every rule has an exception - knows nothing about radios and how to operate them, look no further than FRS. #Many are using these low-power toys to talk car-to-car and aren't even aware that CB could give them greater range than the few blocks they can get with FRS. #Indeed, in a complete reversal of the 1970's CB fad, a great many people today aren't even aware of CB. #Their solution to the problem of short FRS range? #Buy the 7-MILE RANGE! combos, throw away the GMRS license applications included with every such unit because they're damned if they're going to pay twice for the privilege of using all those channels, and operate illegally - but with 7-MILE RANGE! - on GMRS frequencies.

No, I am not assuming that every single person with an FRS radio knows absolutely nothing about how it works. #I'm sure there are some who do know, some who would like to know, and some of my fellow hams who have them - perhaps they have family members without amateur licenses - and know far more about them than most users. #Almost every rule has an exception.

No, I cannot and will not blindly defend bad operators, regardless of the bands involved. #Without a doubt, there are some horribly bad operators on the Citizen's Band. #I would never deny that. #I, however, am not one of them, nor are the majority of the others. #Those bad ones, though, give us all a bad name. #Suppose that I were to pre-judge all hams based on the actions of the bad ones. #I am within receiving range of that 147.435 repeater in the Los Angeles area - what is its call sign this month, anyway? - and if you want to hear hams behaving badly, there's an entire machine full of them. #If I had thought even for a second that the festival of profane QRM on that repeater was the standard of amateur operation, I never would have bothered with getting my license. #That bunch, however, is the exception to the rule, and on CB, there are exceptions to the same rule. #We're not all bad operators, nor are we all real-life Dukes Of Hazzard stereotypes.

I have something to prove now, I think, but I will not force it down anyone's throat on the air, in spite of all I am posting here. #I have to prove that being a CB'er does not mean that I will be a bad amateur radio operator, nor does it mean that I am inherently incapable of being a good operator. #I intend to prove it by BEING a good operator, but never saying, "look at me, I'm a CB'er being a good amateur operator!" #Anyone who thinks that I must be guilty by association... #Well, I am not obligated to make contact with anyone except in an SOS situation. #I will not "go to war" with anyone on any frequency, or in any Internet forum. #This post says pretty much everything I've been wanting to say on the subject. #And again, those of you who have not torn a ligament with your knee-jerk reactions to my heretical statement that I am a CB'er, thank you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Final comment: Just for the record, I am NOT this long-winded on the air. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #It's much easier to take the time to get a flood of thoughts like this down "on paper," as it were, and this post took me a while to write. #End of rant.

[n9lya]

Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ Mar. 31 2005,12:01)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Mar. 31 2005,10:54)]Well, which would you rather have on YOUR local repeater ---

1) what you would call " idiots "

2) just your cronies & pals

3) no one at all
Depends... #Other than what jty has stated, we have no other opinion on who these guys are, or what they're actually like.

Would you have a dead repeater (other than the 10 min ID) have nothing on it, or just seasoned amateurs?

Other than rush hour in the morning/evenings here in the Omaha area, the repeaters are pretty dead.

Of course you get on HF and there's much more activity.
I have heard "SEASONED" amateurs sound like idiots... Here on QRZ and on the AIR Whats your point???

73 jerry

[KD4LEI]

Quote[/b] (n9lya @ Mar. 31 2005,21:51)]Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ Mar. 31 2005,12:01)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Mar. 31 2005,10:54)]Well, which would you rather have on YOUR local repeater ---

1) what you would call " idiots "

2) just your cronies & pals

3) no one at all
Depends... Other than what jty has stated, we have no other opinion on who these guys are, or what they're actually like.

Would you have a dead repeater (other than the 10 min ID) have nothing on it, or just seasoned amateurs?

Other than rush hour in the morning/evenings here in the Omaha area, the repeaters are pretty dead.

Of course you get on HF and there's much more activity.
I have heard "SEASONED" amateurs sound like idiots... Here on QRZ and on the AIR Whats your point???

73 jerry

Bitter?

Your point says it all...

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[K9STH]

LEI:

If the repeater identification is set up properly you won't have any identification every 10 minutes. The automatic identification should only be activated when the repeater is actually keyed.

Glen, K9STH

[n0nwo]

I was a CB convert about 14 years ago. I cant believe i actually said 10:4 on HF once. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif But I quickly corrected myself. I got the hang of the new lingo and I am sure these folks will too, with a little polite coaching http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

As for "up north"... Reminds me of a couple songs. People Up In Texas, and Up In Arkansas both done by Waylon Jennings. I guess up is a state of mind.

Minton

[kc7jty]

Sorry for the unclarity. I live in Idaho but am currently travelling in San Diego. I've been in the southland for some months now and will return to "up north" shortly.
The friend who sent me the E mail (which I took the quote from) has been a ham for 20 yrs. The local (Idaho) CBers he is referring to would make perfect poster children for all the negative things you ever heard about CBers...and then some.

P.S. I tried to get on line yesterday at a library but it was closed for Caesar Chavez day.

[kb2vxa]

Hi LEI and all,

"I would rather see how things are for myself before I make an assumption based on someone else's opinion."

Thanks, I see I'm not the only one who left the high school cliques behind when I graduated. Found some on the repeaters though, shocked the stuff out of the "220 elite" from a club I once belonged to when they discovered I had more than a 2m FM rig. (;->)

Hey, I resemble that remark! Along with many others I came from CB roots and although I never used that funky lingo I found out quick that CB stuff doesn't fly. I was quickly elmered and now am just another card in the deck, the joker. (;->)

[KG6YTZ]

Quote[/b] (n0nwo @ April 01 2005,09:26)]I was a CB convert about 14 years ago. #I cant believe i actually said 10:4 on HF once. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif # But I quickly corrected myself. #I got the hang of the new lingo and I am sure these folks will too, with a little polite coaching #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #
I'll take polite coaching over the indignant rampages of an angry OF any day. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #I'm sure I'll eventually make some little mistake, and sooner rather than later.

I just got my first amateur radio a couple of days ago [FT-11R], and I've done far more listening than talking, but I seem to have made a friend in N6SNS, who answered my very first call while I was testing my HT's programming on the N6AH machine. #Thanks, George! #I think I've managed to avoid dropping in any CB lingo during our contacts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #Old habits die hard, but then again, I never really use "10-4" very often either. #And, a couple years of listening to hams on your scanners and SW receivers before you get your own license DOES help to give you some idea of the proper procedures.

I once heard a bootlegger claiming to be a new ham make a contact on a linked system [WIN System?] and do a fairly good job of sounding like a real ham for a while until he started getting nervous and saying things like "10-4." #While he was talking, the folks on the system were checking out the call sign he was using, and found that it belonged to someone who doesn't live anywhere near where this "new ham" claimed to be, and had been licensed for many years. #Bye-bye, bootlegger!

I wonder how many people looked up my call while I was talking to N6SNS? #Oh, well... #Let 'em. #The little license is right here in my wallet [gotta get a frame for the big one], and they can come see 'em both at the address given in my FCC record. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #I'll even give them detailed directions.

[KC0NBW]

any bootlegger that is dumb enough to get on this site and use a phony call deserves to get caught ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ April 01 2005,08:48)]any bootlegger that is dumb enough to get on this site
As in qrz "site"!!?? HAAAH!

[KC9ECI]

I often look up unfamiliar or new callsigns while chating with folks on the air. Not so much to check them out, but so I have the info in front of me and I can call them by the correct name, and get a good idea of where they are.

[ai4ep]

I trust any one who can hear my weak lil ole station. ...that is willing to actually talk to me.