CB Key Down in St Louis

[KC5SAS]

" http://www22.brinkster.com/187eastside/cornbread.htm "
CBers running stupid high power often get together for keydowns. Their radios are powered by mulitple alternators and pushed by illegal amps.
The RF produced during these key downs is often enough to shutdown nearby video cameras used to record the events.
The people involved in this hobby compete for cash prizes during these contests. #None of this is a secret. #According to the link above they will be meeting Memorial Day Weekend May 27-29, 2005 at the
HOLIDAY INN ST. LOUIS AIRPORT.
If Riely and his guys at the FCC enforcement bureau want to see radio operators pushing several hundred (thousand) watts above the 4 watt max then he should plan to attend. #
Websites such as http://www20.brinkster.com/ubwa/cbradio.htm brag about the use of high powered CB rigs. Like any ham fest or field day participants these CBers will post pics of their setups showing the radios and alternators in their vehicles. " Sometimes playing with linear amplifiers turns bad. #At http://www20.brinkster.com/ubwa/electrocution.htm you can see a report of 2 people who were killed because of their hobby.
These CBers are not concerned with the FCC. #They have become complacent after years of enforcement neglect.
I say it's time Riley cracked the whip and let them know things have changed. I would be seriously disappointed if 2 months go by and no FCC action has taken place against this 'keydown'.

Comments?

EDITED on April 19 to remove a link which was corruped.

[W5HTW]

I say "It ain't none of my business." I'd rather see Riley working on the ham bands. I don't care what happens on CB as long as they stay out of the ham bands. Oh, I crank the old radio up on 27 mhz once every 4 or 5 months, to listen to the garbage, just to remind myself there is still a difference (albeit dwindliing!) between ham radio and CB. But I don't listen more than three minutes.

Now I'll admit, if some CB idiot lived close enough to me to screw with my TV or something else in my home, yep, I'd be on the Riley trail! So happens I'm lucky that way - no CBer anywhere close.

Let 'em have at it!

73
Ed

[n5tjd]

If they exceed MPE limits as much as they claim, the problem is a self-solving one. Can you say sterilization?

[N8CPA]

As close as they will be to the airport, maybe the FAA should hear about their intentions as well. If they take out ATIS or ATC...

[kb1ils]

As I posted on another forum earlier tonight (funny how these topics come up):

Though I am an 11m convert, I never saw the need nor the point to this kind of activity. 4W was always plenty of power for me to check local road conditions with other motorists.

IMHO these "keyclowns" are likely compensating for an anatomical deficiency by owning and bragging about their "big radios", if you know what I mean.

[K6UEY]

N8CPA,
Steve you beat me to it,that is the comment I was going to make, let them screw up the ATC computer or close down St.Louis Airport ,even for a few minutes and see just how fast the authorities can act.
The choice of that location was an act of stupidity,or a challenge to the authorities, OR BOTH!!

[WA2ZDY]

Heh heh heh, that was rather enlightening reading. #Funny thing, I saw places, faces and a few vehicles I know I've seen around (I bear the cross of living in NJ, what can I say?)

But looking at that, for me, a lot of the picture becomes clearer. #And based on what I know, I'd say most of it is for real. #

Funny though that one page seems to have a lot of threats listed. #Hmmmm . . .

Yep, I sure hope ham radio's slide toward that takes much longer. #I'm still young enough to be around to enjoy hamming a while longer.

[KC0KBH]

And their vehicles all look like crap too!

[ve2nsm]

Yes this is a fool thing to do, close to an airport
Yes it's illegal.
Of course it's dangerous, especially for the innocent bystanders.

But you have to admire the work.
The 454 Cu.I boosted with nitro, pushed to the limit to move these 6 or 7 high power alternators and the whining sound they produce while supplying tens of thousands of watts to these amplifiers.

All this in a suburban or a chevyvan.

There is a lot of work involved, these are not the common redneck truckers you find on CB. These would be a very useful addition to the knowledge pool of ham community but for some reason, they were not attracted by it... strange no?

[KC0W]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Mar. 28 2005,16:00)]Yes this is a fool thing to do, close to an airport
Yes it's illegal.


But you have to admire the work.
I'm glad that you admire their work. I'm sure that you will "admire" it even more when they splatter clear thru the 10/12 meter bands. I wont even guess how many bands their harmonics will QRM.


Tom kcØw

[wa6itf]

Another site is http://www.bigradios.com Its one we have covered on Newsline in the past.

As an aside: From what I have gathered investigating this strange phenomin the past 5 years, the people involved in these "CB Shoot-Outs" consider it a form of "sport." As such, its not just 10's of thousands of watts involved but hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in vehicles and -- assumabally -- an much larger amount in wagering.

de
Bill / WA6ITF

[W7DJM]

"""""These would be a very useful addition to the knowledge pool of ham community"""""

Really? With what, new language skills, like "Doyagottabig copyonme?"

or quaint phrases like, "whut's yer first personal?"

or really, really, stimulating conversational terminology, like using "ok" all through the sentence structure.

Ok, first of all, ok, you hafta start, ok, the sentence, ok, with "ok," ok? You havta, ok, use "ok", ok, in place of commas, ok, and at the end of the sentence, ok.

Ok, and if you're asking a question, ok, you haftat use it at the end, ok, in place of "roger?" or "qsl," ok?

Let's do a little analysis of what "technical skills" are at work, here. "Big" amplifer designs have been around for years, but I doubt very much that much research has been done by the "big keyers" on such things as distortion and linearity, on spurious output products, duh, ok, whut's a bandpass filter, ok."

It really doesn't take all that much in the way of design to weld a big hitch receiver on the front of what WAS a useful truck and stick a Whole Bunch of stupid antennas on there. Hmmm, you don't really think these are mobile, do you?

Same deal with alternators, a few bucks for alternators, a few bucks for some welding and fabrication. There's no earthshaking development work going on here, at all.

Great Big American engines have been around for years, nothing new there, either.

Hell, I think we oughta give 'em all amateur licenses sorta like an honorary degree.

[ad5td]

Quote[/b] ]whut's a bandpass filter, ok.

One of those "Dave Made" 32 pills would smoke a band pass filter http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (W7DJM @ Mar. 28 2005,10:39)]Really? With what, new language skills?
I did not talk about the language, but the technical skills, I know you knew, but you needed to bash something, that's OK with me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Quote[/b] ]Let's do a little analysis of what "technical skills" are at work, here. "Big" amplifer designs have been around for years, but I doubt very much that much research has been done by the "big keyers" on such things as distortion and linearity, on spurious output products, duh, ok, whut's a bandpass filter, ok."
I never said they invented them, I just said that they have the knowledge to build them, tune them, make them work and operate them... more than the average HAM found on 2 meters and possibly even on HF.

Quote[/b] ]It really doesn't take all that much in the way of design to weld a big hitch receiver on the front of what WAS a useful truck and stick a Whole Bunch of stupid antennas on there. Hmmm, you don't really think these are mobile, do you?

Mmmmmh, you don't really think they drive around with those do you? And I happenned to remember some ham activities (field day or something similar) where HAMs were having station antennas hooked up to their vehicles, I know... they probably were dam*** CBer's http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Quote[/b] ]Same deal with alternators, a few bucks for alternators, a few bucks for some welding and fabrication. There's no earthshaking development work going on here, at all.
Nope, no earthshaking development, but at least the guy knows how to wire an alternator, calibrate a regulator, has more than basic knowledge of ohm's law and electricity, knows the importance of good wiring and connections. Also the alternators cost more than a couple of bucks but that has nothing to do with knowledge, granted http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Quote[/b] ]Great Big American engines have been around for years, nothing new there, either.
Hell, I think we oughta give 'em all amateur licenses sorta like an honorary degree.
Did I say that?
I only said their knowledge would be a valuable asset for ham radio that is all.

Seems that a lot of hams in N.A. tend to think the CB (and CBer's) is a virus or a rodent that has to be exterminated. Like if it was some kind of plague or something. Mind you I found that most of those individuals used to be cber's or are even still active, strange behaviour http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Anyways, the only purpose of my post was to point out these guys had surely more "radio knowledge" than the average ham, that's all. Are you CB frustrated?

[K4KWH]

It would be most helpful if someone would send this info to Mr. Brock in Dallas, TX. #As an old washed up pilot (medical), I would not want to be aboard a plane trying to land in St Louis in IFR conditions when some yokel is keying thousands of spattering, harmonic-laden watts. There IS potential for disaster here. Right ON an airport? Ya gotta be kiddin', right. #(double take), Nope they're not kiddin', just pathetically ignorant.:angry:

[K4KWH]

BTW. check out the 4th and 5th harmonic of 27 MHZ. Right smack dab on the 108-136 MHZ aviation band! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[w1gfh]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Mar. 28 2005,10:00)]Yes this is a fool thing to do, close to an airport
Yes it's illegal.
Of course it's dangerous, especially for the innocent bystanders.

But you have to admire the work.

There is a lot of work involved, these are not the common redneck truckers you find on CB. These would be a very useful addition to the knowledge pool of ham community but for some reason, they were not attracted by it... strange no?
I can recognize their effort, but "admire" is taking it a bit too far. Consider what these guys embrace...


# • ignorance of basic electrical safety
http://www20.brinkster.com/ubwa/electrocution.htm

# • ignorance of harmonics and interference to other users in the RF spectrum

# • enthusiasm for jamming/preventing others from being heard (i.e. "keydown", "lockdown", "earplugging" etc.)

# • ignorance of potential for disruption of aircraft comms at #their "keydown" site

# • ignorance of standards/methods for RF amplifier efficiency, linearity, spectral purity.

# • contempt for FCC rules, frequency assignments, common courtesy


No, sorry, I would NOT consider these particular folks "knowledge" a useful addition to the ham radio community. Thank God they don't represent CB'ers in general.

VE2NSM, I think the point you're trying to make is that CB'ers can have technical knowledge, and you're absolutely right. But instead of using these "keydown" morons as an example, I would focus on the CB'ers experimenting with SSB and antennas, the ones "learning by doing" and making necessary repairs to their rigs. Even though they are presently into CB, they recognize that the radio hobby doesn't begin and end with 11 meters, and there is more to it than "being the loudest". Many of them are willing to put forth an effort to take advantage of the more expansive horizons of ham radio. But they are discouraged by CB rumors and myths that say all hams are corrupt and prejudiced or that ham radio is no fun compared to CB. These are the people we should be seeking out and encouraging.

[KC0NBW]

what makes you think the do anything but buy this stuff, pay someone else to hook it up, and then go on the air ?

technical skills ? yeah, right ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Mar. 28 2005,12:27)]what makes you think the do anything but buy this stuff, pay someone else to hook it up, and then go on the air ?

technical skills ? yeah, right ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
It's true, they transmit on 11meters so by definition they can not have technical skills right? Impossible!

[KC0KBH]

Now, on the day they are doing it, just tune in anywhere from the 25-30 MHz range and you will be able to hear them on any freq.!

[ai4ep]

Kind of makes ya wonder just how many folks will be wandering around with 2- 5 HT s on their belts, and AMATEUR tags on their vehicles in the main & adjoining parking lots...might even be worth listening to the local 2 meter repeaters in the hours before the event begins...you know...folks giving directions to this " illegal event " over the local 2 meter repeaters. !!

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Mar. 28 2005,18:42)]Kind of makes ya wonder just how many folks will be wandering around with 2- 5 HT s on their belts, and AMATEUR tags on their vehicles in the main & adjoining parking lots...might even be worth listening to the local 2 meter repeaters in the hours before the event begins...you know...folks giving directions to this " illegal event " over the local 2 meter repeaters. !!
Now what is more sexy... an 11m 5/8 vertical mounted on the front bumper of a 1982 suburban, or a guy with a name tag and 5 HT's on a velcro chest pad? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kb2vxa]

Hi Chris ZDY and all,

"Yep, I sure hope ham radio's slide toward that takes much longer. I'm still young enough to be around to enjoy hamming a while longer."

All you need is C.W. (doncha luvit) McCall to sing Hamfest and a couple of movies like CQ DX and Riley And The Lid. Nah, Burt Reynolds Wrap is too old and Sally Strawberry Fields flew back to the convent. Then watch the bands fall apart overnight.

BTW, the only key a CBer knows is the one that starts the engine spinning those alternators. Then again the only "pill" I know of is the one I took for the headache I got reading that stuff.

BTW, I remember one bragging about 4 locomotive alternators in his Bronco. I didn't have the heart to tell him one is as big as the Bronco and puts out 660VAC 3 phase. Now just how much is 6,000HP in watts anyway?

Nah, not satisfied with one from a switcher, give me one from a GE AC-6000CW any day. Oh, I'll need the prime mover too and a few hundred gallons of Diesel.

[kb2vxa]

Hi TIF and all,

"As such, its not just 10's of thousands of watts involved but hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in vehicles and -- assumabally -- an much larger amount in wagering."

That remark taken out of context accurately describes a boom car rally. So, what's a boom car? That's what you hear coming a mile away and outside the car all you can hear is BOOM BOOM BOOM. I understand the big boys develop so much sound pressure (SPL) it can kill you.

And to think it all started with a monster truck named Bigfoot. Hmmm, now THAT'S what we need at one of those key downs! (Or maybe an M1A1 Abrams.)

BTW, love that image taken from the ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook showing TVI. If the RF field does that to a VCR I wouldn't be surprised to see CBers glowing in the dark.

[WA2ZDY]

Quote[/b] (kb2vxa @ Mar. 29 2005,08:23)]Now just how much is 6,000HP in watts anyway?
1HP=746 watts

[w3sy]

So will HamHatin'.com be sending a large delegation to this event?

HAW!!!

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Mar. 29 2005,06:04)]Quote[/b] (kb2vxa @ Mar. 29 2005,08:23)]Now just how much is 6,000HP in watts anyway?
1HP=746 watts
4,476MW
Do I pass the test? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ky5u]

Hurry Hurry! Might be the last big keydown before it's moved to the Ham Bands courtesy of NCI and the ARRL.

[K7JBQ]

I'm just surprised ESPN2 isn't carrying it live.

73,
Bill

[KA4DPO]

You have to wonder about the numbers being thrown around by these doofuses. #Ten kilowatts would require about 210 amps at 48 VDC ( about 400 amps) allowing for efficiency. #Given the efficiency of the alternators, and the mechanical losses it would require in the neigborhood of 80 Hp to do the job. #The same power output using 12 VDC would require almost 1700 amps, assuming approximately 55% efficiency for the total system. #The average truck or car does not have sufficient power to generate 1700 amps of current. #Most military trucks are equiped with 200 amp alternators and can't be driven if the thing is under full load.

This is certainly doable but not without some very expensive equipment and, at great risk to anyone nearby. #Twenty seven MHZ will heat living tissue in a hurry, the old diathermy machines used that frequency range at much lower power levels. #Some folks is jus plain dumb.......

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 29 2005,14:14)]Ten kilowatts would require about 210 amps at 48 VDC ( about 400 amps) allowing for efficiency. Given the efficiency of the alternators, and the mechanical losses it would require in the neigborhood of 80 Hp to do the job. The same power output using 12 VDC would require almost 1700 amps, assuming approximately 55% efficiency for the total system. The average truck or car does not have sufficient power to generate 1700 amps of current. Most military trucks are equiped with 200 amp alternators and can't be driven if the thing is under full load.
How about a 454 chevy nitro boosted with 6 high power alternators?
Remember this lasts for a few seconds with the engine revving at full RPM... just before blowing the serpentine belt http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.extremecb.com/

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You've got to love this, look the channel on what this thing is set http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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[WA2ZDY]

What is it with all these clowns being in NJ? Geez, I'm starting to get a complex here . . . I liked the one pic of the guy's "shack" with a few high end ham rigs and a B&W 5100. Not everyone has one of those B&W rigs. Nosiree, I'd bet that guy is a ham.


Hmmmm. . . what a surprise.

[nz3m]

Looks like their biggest fan is a ham too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Dave

[nz3m]

"Saturday, May 28, 2005

Registration...............Mobile Shoot-Out
Gospel Show 12:00 Noon"


LMFAO! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w1gfh]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Mar. 29 2005,14:40)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 29 2005,14:14)]Ten kilowatts would require about 210 amps at 48 VDC ( about 400 amps) allowing for efficiency. #
How about a 454 chevy nitro boosted with 6 high power alternators?
Remember this lasts for a few seconds with the engine revving at full RPM... just before blowing the serpentine belt http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.extremecb.com/

Truck_9.jpg (http://www.extremecb.com/Truck_9.jpg)

Engine_4.jpg (http://www.extremecb.com/Engine_4.jpg)

You've got to love this, look the channel on what this thing is set http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Truck_4.jpg (http://www.extremecb.com/Truck_4.jpg)
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Gotta admit, that site is the most ridiculous I've seen in a long time, esp. the pix of the "base amp" with the slogan "respect my authority" pasted on it.

VE2, are you a particpant...or just a "fan"?

[k4kyv]

I'd bet one of these events would take care of BPL. Maybe they could provide a public service after all.

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Mar. 29 2005,17:56)]I'd bet one of these events would take care of BPL. #Maybe they could provide a public service after all.
Good idea. Maybe we should encourage them to switch the site to Cincinattti http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (w1gfh @ Mar. 29 2005,17:41)]Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Mar. 29 2005,14:40)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 29 2005,14:14)]Ten kilowatts would require about 210 amps at 48 VDC ( about 400 amps) allowing for efficiency.
How about a 454 chevy nitro boosted with 6 high power alternators?
Remember this lasts for a few seconds with the engine revving at full RPM... just before blowing the serpentine belt http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.extremecb.com/

Truck_9.jpg (http://www.extremecb.com/Truck_9.jpg)

Engine_4.jpg (http://www.extremecb.com/Engine_4.jpg)

You've got to love this, look the channel on what this thing is set http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Truck_4.jpg (http://www.extremecb.com/Truck_4.jpg)
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Gotta admit, that site is the most ridiculous I've seen in a long time, esp. the pix of the "base amp" with the slogan "respect my authority" pasted on it.

VE2, are you a particpant...or just a "fan"?
Nope, not a participant, the only time I ran more than 100W in my antenna was the time I had a yaesu FL7000 on my bench for repair, never was a power freak.
Nevertheless, I do appreciate the work, the achievement and the skill. The same way one can admire a bank robber that achieves to break in the most heavily guarded vault without even waking up the security guard. It still is against the law, but you got to admire it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

But then again, I was a 11m freebander long before becoming a HAM, now I live in the Carribean where HAMs transmit on 27MHz freeband with their HAM call sign, so for me it's not all that bad. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[K4KWH]

May I gently correct something? Please don't take offense, OK?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif # Riley is not in charge of CB radio enforcement. True, he "can" have an effect by dropping a bug in the right ear. #That ear, according to my sources, happens to be Larry Brock, Field Engineer, in Dallas, Tx. #He is the one dropping the "maul" (as the chicken banders say) on the dealers and CBers who are breaking part 95. Riley only handles Amateur Radio complaints and spectrum that relates to hams. #Like when CBers get on 10 and 12 meters. Now if someone just "happened" to drop a line to Mr. Brock , 9220 LBJ Freeway, Dallas, TX 75243............hint, hint.

Just think, you might be doing some poor IFR pilot a favor. If YOU fly, would you feel comfortable shooting an
IFR approach to St. Louis knowing that a few thousand watts were being "aimed" at you and your sensitive instruments?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif # #I wouldn't!

[w8znx]

waste of gas
parts and time

ve2nsm
you
can not believe
for one min
these people could be
good hams
sat night 75 meters is bad enought
with out these bozos

helm down
mac

sail onedesign
sail fast
sail thistle class

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Mar. 30 2005,11:45)]waste of gas
parts and time
Maybe... like the guy who's souping up his '73 camaro, like the one who's spending thousands of dollars for a music system in his import car.

Hell, even our hobby can be seen as a useless waste of time and money by many http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

As for 75m saturday nights... you couldn't be more right http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K4KWH]

Uh, like my *other* hobby of fixing/restoring old military Jeeps? Waste of time, I guess, but fun!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ai4ep]

k4kwh...you wouldnt by any chance have an e-mail address for Mr. Brock, would you ??

It would certainly be much faster than " snail mail "...especially since all who read it would naturally have access to a computer to send him an e-mail.....hint...hint. ??

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Mar. 30 2005,19:55)]k4kwh...you wouldnt by any chance have an e-mail address for Mr. Brock, would you ??

It would certainly be much faster than " snail mail "...especially since all who read it would naturally have access to a computer to send him an e-mail.....hint...hint. #??
Actually, I don't. But you could forward it to the Atlanta office. Fred.Broce@fcc.gov. I am sure he would send it on to Larry. Particularly if you express concerns about the hazard to aviation such an event could create. This is something that is NOT to be held at all, much less right on an airport.

Hmmm, I wonder if FAA would be interested in hearing of this........................

[wd5kca]

I am wondering what the criteria is for winning such a contest.

Most Bird watts?

Last guy standing after all the others have trashed their finals?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (wd5kca @ Mar. 31 2005,11:27)]I am wondering what the criteria is for winning such a contest.

Most Bird watts?

Last guy standing after all the others have trashed their finals?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
There is a receiving station at the other end of the parking lot, the one who stomps the other wins.`
Simple, no need for esoteric test equipments http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KG6YTZ]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Mar. 29 2005,13:40)]You've got to love this, look the channel on what this thing is set http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Before I even looked at the picture, I rolled my eyes and mumbled to myself, "channel 6." #Sure enough... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

ESPN2 coverage? #Oh, that'd be a hoot n' a half, wouldn't it? #"OHHHH MY LORD!!! #BIG BUBBA JUST BURIED TERRIBLE TYRONE WITH AN ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE 120 dB OVER S9 HERE IN LOS ANGELES!!! #CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?! #AND LOOK AT THAT SPLATTER!!! #TEN MEGAHERTZ IN EITHER DIRECTION!!! #OH, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!! #THIS IS HISTORY BEING MADE HERE TODAY, FOLKS!!!"

[KC0KBH]

Now, I don't get what they mean by like 16 pill, 32 pill, 8 pill. What does it mean?

[KC0KBH]

Make recordings of it from your QTH and send them into the FCC. I will have the old Onkyo tape deck ready.

[KG4ZQZ]

Quote[/b] (KC0KBH @ Mar. 31 2005,18:01)]Now, I don't get what they mean by like 16 pill, 32 pill, 8 pill. What does it mean?
'pill' refers to a transistor in the (what should pass for) amplifier... therefore, the more 'pills,' the more RF out...

a simplification for the 11-meter crowd...

(oops! perhaps i shouldn't say that, as there may be some hams on-line here who had access to 11M before it was taken away from us? if so, i'm sorry)

:-)

[ai4ep]

Well, we all know the FCC will be there in record numbers.

[KC5SAS]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Mar. 31 2005,16:52)]Well, we all know the FCC will be there in record numbers.
That was sort of what I was hoping for when I posted the original message. Stuff like this is happening all over the US and it's not much of a secret.
It'd be like street racers putting up webpages of the locations and nights they plan on racing and then not expecting the cops to show up.
Let's hope someone from the FCC, and we know there are some who read these forums, decides to go after some of these Keydown events.

[ai4ep]

Only time will tell...based entirely on the actions of the FCC in the past ( their own record of showing up and actually DOING something ( enforcement wise ) at these kind of events ).

If some one knows of a event since the year 2000 ( a four year area, plus a few months ) of the FCC actually showing up at one of these events and actually hitting any one in the wallet / or / doing any thing...please feel free to post it here for the whole world to see and read over and over and over.

[K4KWH]

They *may* be some folks that are trying to achieve just that! And, perhaps, Federal Aviation Adminstration as well. This has the potential of creating massive interference to aviation communications (plug in 27 MHZ X the 4th-5th harmonic and see what you get). I'd bet that FAA will not be amused to hear of such goings-on right under their (RF) noses! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[KG6YTZ]

I admit it. #I am a CB'er, and have been for nearly 17 years. #HOWEVER, I've never been this type of operator, never wanted to be, never will be, and I have but one thing to say to the FCC about these events:

GO GET 'EM!

An AIRPORT, of all places... #ANYWHERE is bad enough, but an AIRPORT? #It might not even be unreasonable to think that Homeland Security might have something to say about that!

[kb2vxa]

Hi VE and all,

"Now just how much is 6,000HP in watts anyway?

1HP=746 watts

4,476MW
Do I pass the test?"

No, you're in the gigawatt range with that one. (;->)

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Mar. 28 2005,11:18)]Quote[/b] (W7DJM @ Mar. 28 2005,10:39)]Really? # With what, new language skills?
I did not talk about the language, but the technical skills, I know you knew, but you needed to bash something, that's OK with me #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Quote[/b] ]Let's do a little analysis of what "technical skills" are at work, here. # "Big" amplifer designs have been around for years, but I doubt very much that much research has been done by the "big keyers" #on such things as distortion and linearity, on spurious output products, duh, ok, whut's a bandpass filter, ok."
I never said they invented them, I just said that they have the knowledge to build them, tune them, make them work and operate them... more than the average HAM found on 2 meters and possibly even on HF.

Quote[/b] ]It really doesn't take all that much in the way of design to weld a big hitch receiver on the front of what WAS a useful truck and stick a Whole Bunch of stupid antennas on there. # Hmmm, you don't really think these are mobile, do you?

Mmmmmh, you don't really think they drive around with those do you? And I happenned to remember some ham activities (field day or something similar) where HAMs were having station antennas hooked up to their vehicles, I know... they probably were dam*** CBer's http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Quote[/b] ]Same deal with alternators, # a few bucks for alternators, a few bucks for some welding and fabrication. # There's no earthshaking development work going on here, at all.
Nope, no earthshaking development, but at least the guy knows how to wire an alternator, calibrate a regulator, has more than basic knowledge of ohm's law and electricity, knows the importance of good wiring and connections. Also the alternators cost more than a couple of bucks but that has nothing to do with knowledge, granted http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Quote[/b] ]Great Big American engines have been around for years, nothing new there, either.
Hell, I think we oughta give 'em all amateur licenses sorta like an honorary degree. #
Did I say that?
I only said their knowledge would be a valuable asset for ham radio that is all.

Seems that a lot of hams in N.A. tend to think the CB (and CBer's) is a virus or a rodent that has to be exterminated. Like if it was some kind of plague or something. Mind you I found that most of those individuals used to be cber's or are even still active, strange behaviour http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Anyways, the only purpose of my post was to point out these guys had surely more "radio knowledge" than the average ham, that's all. Are you CB frustrated?
I got to laugh at this one. Are you saying that the Ham radio operators that helped (If not invented the Rf amps as well as the radio are too ignorant to understand basic electrical wiring.?) Gimme a break.......... Most people that are ham radio operators don't resort to that kind of crap. Will you be at the St. Louis, Keydown. Probably.?

[AC4BB]

Did anyone ever take the time to send in a report about this one. I agree this could be a very catastropic event near an airport especially as busy as Lambert Field.

[KC5SAS]

I didn't send in a report to anybody yet but got this in the email this week.
go to- http://www.cbrelectronics.com/ and click on- 3rd Annual Big Luv Break

Virginia Key Down

April 23 2005

We will meet at CBR Electronics
4231 B Portsmouth Blvd
Portsmouth V.A 23701
757-465-4755 Shop
757-650-5173 13 VA
804-512-3657 Music man
757-641-3288 Cherry Lube
We will leave for the key down field at 11:00 am. Sharp
Directions..
From points North: 64 East to 264 West to exit 3 Victory blvd.. Turn right on to Victory blvd follow to Portsmouth Blvd Turn right Shop is 100 yards on the right.
From points South: Take 95 North to 58 East to 264 East to Victory Blvd. Turn Left follow to Portsmouth Blvd Turn right. Shop is 100 yards on the right
Key down will be held at Sleepy Hole park in Suffolk V.A

Directions to field

From North: Take 64 E to 664 S to Route 17 North. Follow 17 North to Bennets Pasture rd. Turn Left follow to Sleepy Hole Rd turn right. Park is up one mile on the right.

[w1gfh]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ April 18 2005,18:29)]Key down will be held at Sleepy Hole park in Suffolk V.A
Many of these events are held at parks where the antennas are in line with childrens playgrounds.??? No brains.

http://www.suffolk.va.us/parks/images/sh/park_1.jpg

[WA2ZDY]

It's not a matter of no brains, it's a matter of no concern. Like most typical lawbreakers, they have no regard for anything other than their own "needs." If it was their own kids on the playground, they'd probably think about it more, but . . . not even sure about that.

Example of typical criminal mindset (Remember, I've worked in the state prison for over 24 years, I know how these guys think.) :

Ask a guy who's in jail for attacking a female what he thinks about women and you'll get a SERIOUS earful. Then ask same miscreant what he'd do if someone attacked HIS wife/girlfriend/sister/daughter. All of a sudden, such persons are scum and he'll kill anyone who does that. But it doesn't apply to him and his "needs." Nosireebuddy.

[KC9AWD]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Mar. 27 2005,16:28)]" http://****************************** (http://*************************) "
CBers running stupid high power often get together for keydowns. Their radios are powered by mulitple alternators and pushed by illegal amps.
The RF produced during these key downs is often enough to shutdown nearby video cameras used to record the events.
The people involved in this hobby compete for cash prizes during these contests. #None of this is a secret. #According to the link above they will be meeting Memorial Day Weekend May 27-29, 2005 at the
HOLIDAY INN ST. LOUIS AIRPORT.
If Riely and his guys at the FCC enforcement bureau want to see radio operators pushing several hundred (thousand) watts above the 4 watt max then he should plan to attend. #
Websites such as http://www******************** (http://www******************) brag about the use of high powered CB rigs. Like any ham fest or field day participants these CBers will post pics of their setups showing the radios and alternators in their vehicles. " http://************************* (http://*********************************) " is an example of such a page.
I would be seriously disappointed if 2 months go by and no FCC action has taken place against this 'keydown'.

Comments?
DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINKS IN THIS POST THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN PORNO!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS NOW?


I EDITIED THE LINKS IN MY REPLY

WARNING DO NOT CLICK ON THE ORIGINAL POSTERS LINK !!!!!!!!!

ITS PORNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I THOUGHT QRZ WAS "G" RATED

[WA2ZDY]

I guess different folks have different definitions of pornography. I'd say the links lead to distasteful sites, but porn? Maybe my links go somewhere different.

[KC9AWD]

HUH! Look at the very first post

The first 2 links are ok but that 3rd link is BAD!

BE SURE NO KIDS ARE AROUND AND I WARNED YOU!!

[KC5SAS]

It's true. I guess someone told them about our posts here and the contents of the link were changed. I went back to the first post in this thread where I had the link and removed it. The other links are still good and still show the outlaw hobby of CB keydowns.

[K9STH]

AWD:

The moderators on QRZ.com have enough to do without going to every link that is posted on this site and "looking around". Looking at links is at the discretion of the person who looks at them and is NOT the responsibility of the moderators.

Just do a "google" on just about any popular subject and see how many "XXX" rated sites appear. The number of "hits" is in the hundreds of thousands on some subject and even in the millions on other subjects.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[KC9AWD]

YAAAAAAAWN

[K4KWH]

We will see what (and if) is something is done with this event. #I know for a FACT that Dallas is aware of it.
And it should be passed on to FAA. All jokes aside, this is NOT something to kid around with. (Check the 4th-and 5th harmonic of 27 MHZ). #Right smack in the middle of the aviation/navigation band. I would hate to be shooting an approach to St Louis in marginal WX and have my navaids going screwy on me. The idea of several thousand(?) dirty, unfiltered watts in the vicinity of an airport makes me durned nervous!

No, put it this way. #FAA WILL know about this!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[w1gfh]

Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ April 19 2005,05:20)]I guess different folks have different definitions of pornography. #I'd say the links lead to distasteful sites, but porn? #Maybe my links go somewhere different.
You mean this page??? It isn't porn, just the usual antisocial outlaw CB lingo http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Quote[/b] ]This CB Radio Operators Website is Dedicated to those of us who broadcast out of the State of New Jersey.

We continue to make New Jersey the most well known on the 11 Meter Band for having the most dominant CB Radio Stations coming out of the Northeast Corner.

Just listen to your radios when DX is running out of the Northeast.......The loudest radio stations are coming from New Jersey. Thats the way it is, Thats the way it will always continue to be, and nobody in the rest of the Northeast Corner can do anything about it.

I promise to key on all of you Superstar Wanna Be's..........Those of you that dont want to be keyed on will surely have to go 10-7, Because by the time I get done keying on your weak stations, You will have no choice but to hide your heads in shame and disgust and go back in hiding into your muddy water ponds and the cracks in the wall that you cockroaches call home. So if you hear me getting my name called on the Bowl....Have a Coke,a Smoke, and you might as well Smile, Because if you challenge me you will end up Radio Roadkill. You want to be famous, I'll make you famous, I'll put you on the "Got Milk Advertisements" But that white mustache above your top lip is not milk, It is the result of you being on your knees, and letting me shoot my manhood in your mouth as you beg me to become "My Personal Sissy" to let you be heard. You want to be trained? Well you picked the right one to train you.....I have a broken off broomstick with your name engraved on it, and I will train you so very well with it, that you probably will want to leave your wife or girlfriend. And I promise to have you hollering out my name in your sleep!

Attention: To all of you who are my Mudducks and Cockroaches.....And you know who you are but you will never admit it.......from Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Conneticut, Massachussetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland

"Its Always Open Season on Mudducks
Before you key your mike, You need to call 1 800 Mud Duck
And make reservations for yourself in my Mudduck Cemetary.

Because when the bullets start flying, You ducks will start dying
And there is nothing that makes us more happier in New Jersey
Is when we do a First Degree Mudduck Murder on You!

A Drive By ain't pretty......It's real ugly
But its effective.......And somebodys got to do it

Check out my Personal Radio Technician



Nationwide CB Break-St Louis....May 27,2005

Death by Amplifier Electrocution

What happened to Super Bowl Six

New Jersey Hall of Fame

187 Outlaw's Most Wanted Mudducks

New Jersey Keydown Pictures

Classic CB Radio Pictures

[ai4ep]

One bad thing to mention is --- if there IS any interference, some " fool " will think that they are all AMATEUR radio operators !!

Has any one thought of how bad that amateur radio might look ?


" naw, them folks cant be cb operators, I dont see no ( insert certain type of vehicle ) here ".

[AB8RU]

DUH !! Seems like I just read something similar some time back, ( YAWN ! ) lets see RF Amplifiers that suppousedly run over several thousand watts thru what RG-58 coax ? anyone reading this should go find a spec sheet on Radio Coax as a primer, the wattage stated would cause a total meltdown of the COAX, then the Antennas would heat up and melt because of the SO Called Wattage output. ( Boring !) by then suppousedly the RF amplifiers would short out due to the High VSWR and maybe go the theory of Heat, Light, and Smoke !! .

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Urband Ledgends what a JOKE !

If you believed what was first posted, I have the Brooklyn Bridge 4 Sale Dirt Cheap any takers ?

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[KC0KBH]

Won't RG-58 get warm with even 500 watts? How many shot alternators and cb crap will come out from this? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC8QMU]

.... and you guys really think they are trying to do this with RG-58? Geez.

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[KC5SAS]

Obviously they haven't looked at any of the webpages supplied in my posts if they think these guys are using factory install alternators or standard RG-58 coax.

[AC4BB]

" I love the smell of CB meltdown in the morning"...............

[KC0KBH]

So do I! Cheap finals frying away...

[K7FE]

I have melted RG-8 down with a lot less power than these CB "key down" guys are using, so I am sure that they are not using RG-58.
RG-58 is rated for 400 watts continuous at 30 mhz, sea level at 40 deg C, and RG-8x is only rated 350 watts. #They must be running LMR 900 (9kw CCS) or LMR 1200 (12kw CCS) coax.

RG-8 is rated about 2 kW continuous working watts at 30 MHZ "depending" on temp, mfr., elevation and VSWR. #Broadcast stations use those rating. #The power rating go down as you climb in altitude or increase the temperature. #Airplanes and space vehicles have to be very careful to derate their coax accordingly.

My coax broke down when fed by an AM plate modulated kW with a mismatched antenna. #This condition created a very high voltage on voice peaks that punched thru the center conductor insulation causing "meltdown". #RG-8, 213, 214, etc. will not normally arc with a 5 kW SSB signal if connected to a properly matched antenna (load). #The military does it often. #Larger than RG-8 coax with it’s #0.405 inch diameter is highly recommended for long runs and power levels of 5 kW or more and of course, CB Key Down’s.

"Five watt" CB radios can be very destructive to RG-8 coax. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



73,
Terry, K7FE

[KE7CWB]

this reminds me of street racing. even their attitudes are the same.

[KG6YTZ]

Yep. It all boils down to four little words: "Hey, look at me!"

[W4CGP]

They're less than a mile from Lambert Field. Even if it's just brief, the overlaod is likely to be fairly significant. Depending on the frequency, the 4th harmonic will be in the VOR/ILS portion of the air band and the 5th will be at the top end of voice.

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (W4CGP @ April 22 2005,06:48)]They're less than a mile from Lambert Field. Even if it's just brief, the overlaod is likely to be fairly significant. Depending on the frequency, the 4th harmonic will be in the VOR/ILS portion of the air band and the 5th will be at the top end of voice.
EXACTLY! #FCC has been made aware of this event, all of us who fly as PIC's or passengers should email lbrock@fcc.gov demanding that FAA be made aware of this potentially disasterous event and something be done to prevent interference to aircraft comms..

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[ve2nsm]

Maaaaaaaaaan.
This thread is still on first page ?

You guys really enjoy this don't you http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KC9ECI]

It beats mowing the grass.

[KC0KBH]

Hey! Don't knock mowing the grass! I love mowing! I don't even have to be told to mow. Yesterday I mowed with my nicer pushmower. It felt good to mow again.

[K9STH]

My wife mows our grass! In fact, she has been mowing the grass since she was about 9 years old when her father died and her mother had to go to work. However, she won't edge the sidewalk.

Unfortunately, the magneto went out in our mower last weekend and I had to replace it (much cheaper to replace a magneto than buying a whole new lawnmower).

Glen, K9STH

[kc5bdk]

hmmm maybe i should take my lil 4 watt cobra 19 plus from my 18 wheeler and blow then away running legal lol. dont use the cb except for loading/ unloading info i prefer using my ham radios on the road for a little nicer chat

[KC9ECI]

KBH--

You can come mow my lawn anytime.

[kg4yus]

And to think out of all the pictures there was only one pic with a "Buttmonkey Made" antenner in the whole bunch

[WA2ZDY]

A WHAT?

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 29 2005,14:14)]You have to wonder about the numbers being thrown around by these doofuses. #Ten kilowatts would require about 210 amps at 48 VDC ( about 400 amps) allowing for efficiency. #Given the efficiency of the alternators, and the mechanical losses it would require in the neigborhood of 80 Hp to do the job. #The same power output using 12 VDC would require almost 1700 amps, assuming approximately 55% efficiency for the total system. #The average truck or car does not have sufficient power to generate 1700 amps of current. #Most military trucks are equiped with 200 amp alternators and can't be driven if the thing is under full load.

This is certainly doable but not without some very expensive equipment and, at great risk to anyone nearby. #Twenty seven MHZ will heat living tissue in a hurry, the old diathermy machines used that frequency range at much lower power levels. #Some folks is jus plain dumb.......
Hey! Watchit who ya call a doofus mister! Where's the bird? Whooo hooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (farting) Hey BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seventy Birds,
Doofus the Mollocan Cockatoo
Station Watcher KA3RFE

[W5HTW]

"Hey, Maw," he screams in a shrill voice. "I dunno. They just shriveled up and fell off."

Oh, yes. The pills, I mean.

[KG6YTZ]

Eagerly awaiting news of what happens or doesn't happen, and I don't mean who wins or loses the excessive RF exposure contest. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KG6YTZ]

{chuckle} Well, at the risk of going from goofy to serious here for a moment, I'm hoping to see some enforcement - FCC, FAA, and so on.

[kc0rjv]

"I say "It ain't none of my business." I'd rather see Riley working on the ham bands. I don't care what happens on CB as long as they stay out of the ham bands. "


Unfortunately I know many of those St. Louisans, and many are running modded Cobra 148 GTL radios with channel kits, and peaked out, and export radios and such. I use to be very big into CB, and still have my "tuned" Cobra 148 NW/ST, by tuned, I mean I paid a HAM in Alton, Illinois, to install a pre-amp, and to tweak a few of the pots to give me a clean signal when running only a standard Power Mic. Many times I'd be talking on Channel 13 and those guys running their amps down on Ch. 6 would be bleeding over everyone all the way upto channel 32. That is one of the main reasons I wanted to do it "Legal", I wanted to be able to get my signal out clean, with no bleedover, plus I became interested in things like QRP, the idea of talking hundreds of miles on the power from a signal 9-volt battery is why I'm still working on learning code. I'm legal now, I have always been legal, I always will be legal. HAM radio has opened new vistas for me to try to learn, to reach. I intend to try to learn all that I can.


" Oh, I crank the old radio up on 27 mhz once every 4 or 5 months, to listen to the garbage, just to remind myself there is still a difference (albeit dwindliing!) between ham radio and CB. But I don't listen more than three minutes."

I use my CB almost every day, just to listen to it while driving, to get directions, on several occasions before I got my ticket I used it to contact someone with a cell-phone, to call the police for an accident. Now when I wish to talk to someone on the CB, they usually have SSB like I do, and I always prefer to go to Ch4 lsb because it's less congested, (yes I know most SSB is usb on Ch35+) I don't listen to it when my kids are in the truck though.

"Now I'll admit, if some CB idiot lived close enough to me to screw with my TV or something else in my home, yep, I'd be on the Riley trail! So happens I'm lucky that way - no CBer anywhere close."


I have a base station a President Madison, and I use an Antron 99 Base Antenna, I've only had 1 neighbor complain, about interference, which I traced to my coax, which I then replaced. I try to be conscientiss of my responsibilities to not interfere with anyone else. I feel that HAM Radio and Citizen's Band Radio are both tools and sources of enjoyment, as a tool, I've lived in Missouri in an earthquake zone, I was also a member of a R.E.A.C.T. Team in St. Louis, CB allowed affordable efficient communications. Now I live in the Gulf Coast Texas Region, Hurricane Zone, and HAM and CB both have thier place. Both can be and have been abused, that doesn't make them bad, just on the HAM bands, it's more polite for the most part IMHO.

73
Mark
KCØRJV

[KC5SAS]

Quote[/b] (kc0rjv @ May 18 2005,16:19)]
I was also a member of a R.E.A.C.T. Team in St. Louis, CB allowed affordable efficient communications. #Now I live in the Gulf Coast Texas Region, Hurricane Zone, and HAM and CB both have thier place. #73
Mark
KCØRJV
Mark,
Have you joined a REACT Team in Texas? There are several Texas Teams listed at the REACT International website- http://www.reactintl.org/ . I'm sure they'd love to have you join them.
Steve, KC5SAS
SouthEast Louisiana REACT
http://www.selareact.org/

[kc0rjv]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ May 19 2005,00:23)]Mark,
Have you joined a REACT Team in Texas? There are several Texas Teams listed at the REACT International website- http://www.reactintl.org/ . I'm sure they'd love to have you join them.
Steve, KC5SAS
SouthEast Louisiana REACT

Not as of yet, I'm still getting my house together, after moving down here and having back surgery. I hope to be able to re-join R.E.A.C.T. and also join A.R.E.S. once I'm all together.

Mark
KCØRJV

[ai4ep]

The big event is next weekend !!

---------------------

Hmm...there is a REACT in Vinemont, Alabama, which aint too far from here....wonder if they need my assistance ?

[n7wsb]

Quote[/b] (KC0KBH @ Mar. 28 2005,07:39)]And their vehicles all look like crap too!
Yeah the 1980's called and they want all their vehicles back.

[kb1ils]

Take a gander at this...

http://www.cbradioforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=24762

Not sure what he can do with it, but I am going to share that with a friend from the FBI and see if he can at least trace all the phone numbers and forward the info to the FCC or FAA.

[AC4BB]

I hope that the Federal Government will do all that's in their power to stop these Keyclowns before a Serious event occurs. I wonder sometimes if there's not some underlying reason That action hasn't already been taken on events that they"The Feds" know will occur.? I believe that is a crash occurs and I hope it won't. The Government might wake up and see the real danger that these Illegal keydowns can cause and also prosecuting the participants would help as well.

Oh, Did I also mention Gambling on the winners as wellas un-taxed prizes and cash.?

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (kb1ils @ May 21 2005,23:37)]Take a gander at this...

http://www.cbradioforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=24762

Not sure what he can do with it, but I am going to share that with a friend from the FBI and see if he can at least trace all the phone numbers and forward the info to the FCC or FAA.
I listened #around #and heard # some #of the #"handles" listed #over #the weekend #and several #were #distorted #and had#way #overdriven #audio. #I #heard a few that #bled all the way #to 10 meters and some were #as far as "Actually #up #to #the #edge #of 12 meters."
#If these folks #are #as #distorted next #weekend as they were #this weekend #I #have #no # doubt #they #will # cause some Major #problems.

[KG6YTZ]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ May 22 2005,21:40)]If these folks #are #as #distorted next #weekend as they were #this weekend #I #have #no # doubt #they #will # cause some Major #problems.
Ohyeah. There's no doubt that major interference is VERY likely. It is equally likely that this interference will be to frequencies, bands, services, and equipment that should NOT be interfered with.

The choice of location for this event is probably the must stunningly stupid thing I have ever seen. GO GET 'EM, you three-letter agencies!

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Mar. 28 2005,10:00)]Yes this is a fool thing to do, close to an airport
Yes it's illegal.
Of course it's dangerous, especially for the innocent bystanders.

But you have to admire the work.
The 454 Cu.I boosted with nitro, pushed to the limit to move these 6 or 7 high power alternators and the whining sound they produce while supplying tens of thousands of watts to these amplifiers.

All this in a suburban or a chevyvan.

There is a lot of work involved, these are not the common redneck truckers you find on CB. These would be a very useful addition to the knowledge pool of ham community but for some reason, they were not attracted by it... strange no?
I can do more than they can do using less than legal amateur power. this is sillyness to me if I can communicate to the other side of the world with 1/10th of legal power I had rather do that than go out and show off and blow engines up and smoke my radio equipment that I worked hard to buy. Contesting mean using the minimal amount of power required to accomplish and maintain contact......

And whether you believe that these people are so all fired intelligent means nothing. Apparently they know nothing or don't care about the consequences of the harm that their little game can cause. Tell me this would you fly into St. Louis, that weekend knowing what could happen .? I wouldn't

[KG6YTZ]

Maybe I'll spend this Saturday monitoring CB 6 and see if anything interesting happens. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #Propogation willing, of course. #Wouldn't it be flat-out HILARIOUS to hear one of those loudmouths hollering, "TELL THAT DUCK-PLUCKER I GOT IT ALL, AND I'M DROPPIN' THE MAUL, AND HE AIN'T... AW, DANG, THEY'S WHOLE MESSES O' COPS IS HERE!!!" {sudden silence}

And the web page says, "Mention the St Louis Concerned Citizen & CBERS." #Concerned about what, I wonder? #Certainly not potentially disastrous QRM, it seems.

[AC4BB]

Maybe " The "Mod Squad" will finally stir up something hopefully not disasterous to cause a major accident but will and in all probability cause enough problems and inconvience that they can't be ignored and the keyclown shootouts will take a severe blow and shut these outrageously stupid events down.

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (KG6YTZ @ May 25 2005,01:38)]Maybe I'll spend this Saturday monitoring CB 6 and see if anything interesting happens. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #Propogation willing, of course. #Wouldn't it be flat-out HILARIOUS to hear one of those loudmouths hollering, "TELL THAT DUCK-PLUCKER I GOT IT ALL, AND I'M DROPPIN' THE MAUL, AND HE AIN'T... AW, DANG, THEY'S WHOLE MESSES O' COPS IS HERE!!!" {sudden silence}

And the web page says, "Mention the St Louis Concerned Citizen & CBERS." #Concerned about what, I wonder? #Certainly not potentially disastrous QRM, it seems.
They'll probably create their own propogation.

[KA3RFE]

Here's a thought: How much manpower would it take to actually go and raid a keydown? Remember, the FCC has no arrest powers although it is their jurisdicition. They'd have to require Federal law enforcement people to take these idiots down. FBI - maybe the hostage rescue teams, United States Marshals - maybe their SWAT teams and I dunno what other heavy-duty teams. Why so much muscle? Some of these idiots are probably armed or have rifles, and there would be many people there who would interfere with any arrests.

The Feds might do just as well as to have people there undercover taking down license numbers of auto tags; pretending to be taking home snapshot pics or videos or something to collect evidence and going after these people at a later date.

Safety would be a prime directive and a raid might get people hurt. It's not like a drug lab or something....

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ May 22 2005,21:40)]Quote[/b] (kb1ils @ May 21 2005,23:37)]Take a gander at this...

http://www.cbradioforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=24762

Not sure what he can do with it, but I am going to share that with a friend from the FBI and see if he can at least trace all the phone numbers and forward the info to the FCC or FAA.
Lemme get this straight...Your're going to forward this to an FBI agent? You want them to investigate or something? People have the Constitutional right to peacefully assemble, you know. And, a "break" doesn't mean there would be a keydown or anything illegal goin on.

Sheesh. Get a life already!

[KB5WX]

Peaceful assembly is one thing . Getting together to willfully and flagrantly break the law , is another matter alltogether . How much time do you spend on 11m ? Are you planning to attend and don't want the problem of getting all your gear confiscated ? Do you have any idea what that much rf could do to a planes electronic systems ? It sounds like you condone illegal activity of this type . I cerainly hope that is not the case .

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ May 25 2005,14:19)]Peaceful assembly is one thing . Getting together to willfully and flagrantly break the law , is another matter alltogether . How much time do you spend on 11m ? Are you planning to attend and don't want the problem of getting all your gear confiscated ? Do you have any idea what that much rf could do to a planes electronic systems ? It sounds like you condone illegal activity of this type . I cerainly hope that is not the case .
Back up here a second, doofus...

I'm referring to the list of "breaks" contained in the prior post. You're making an invalid assumption that every one of those get togethers would have keydowns associated with them. People have the right to host or attend any kind of assembly they wish. There's nothing illegal about a group of people of like interests getting together for social activities. To say that all those "breaks" listed are going to have illegal activities associated with them is stupid.

And your weak attempt to brand me as an illegal CB operator suffers from the same invalid, stupid and childish assumptions.

Wrong on all counts.

[KB5WX]

Ken ,

I was refering to the St. Louis keydown . As that is what this thread is supposed to be about . I don't much appreciate the name calling tho . And I also was not refering to or accusing you of being an illegal cb'er . All I was doing was asking questions . Try to remember that personal attacks and name calling can get you banned . I would not want to see that happen . I'm sure what we have here is a simple misunderstanding . And I'm willing to leave it at that . As to what happens at these so called breaks , I have heard about several . I do still have some friends that do operate on 11 m . According to them , every " break " that any of them have ever been to has included a keydown . In some circles it is called " racing " . So according to the information that I have been given , the keydowns are a part of the breaks .

[ai4ep]

I like the " take pictures, and video for later looking at "....cause we all know that " a picture is worth 1000 or more words " .

Heck all any one has to do is show up with a cb antenna on their vehicle, chewing some chawing terbaco, with a cold one in their hand, hollar " hammer down " or something similar a few times, and definately be sure not to call no one a " good buddy " and they should blend right in.

Leave the ford ranger and chevy s - 10 elsewhere, show up in a chevy suburban with a 102 " whip on top and a galaxy / ranger rig under the dash with an echo mike and a small amplifier ( even if it aint even hooked up ) ...and the handle of " bad, bad leroy brown " . Remember to stagger a little bit with that cold one in your hand ( with water inside ) .....

[KC0NBW]

are these turkeys really ''technically inclined'' or do they just pay other people to build and install this equipment for them ?

i would be willing to bet that the vast majority are ''appliance operators'' that simply buy their way to so called''fame ''

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[ai4ep]

These kind of folks is just what needs to get on HF with " no-code hf privileges " !!

Dont play dumb with the others...it wont work no mo !!

[ai4ep]

FP --- rfe knew exactly what you were talking about....everyone who read his post knew that he knew.....the readers arent dumb.

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ May 25 2005,15:51)]Ken ,

I was refering to the St. Louis keydown . As that is what this thread is supposed to be about . I don't much appreciate the name calling tho . And I also was not refering to or accusing you of being an illegal cb'er . All I was doing was asking questions . Try to remember that personal attacks and name calling can get you banned . I would not want to see that happen . I'm sure what we have here is a simple misunderstanding . And I'm willing to leave it at that . As to what happens at these so called breaks , I have heard about several . I do still have some friends that do operate on 11 m . According to them , every " break " that any of them have ever been to has included a keydown . In some circles it is called " racing " . So according to the information that I have been given , the keydowns are a part of the breaks .
Who's Ken? Aside from calling you doofus I made no personal attacks. I attacked your post and called your post names. Whole different thing altogether. I said my piece and I will not go on about it.

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 25 2005,19:22)]FP --- rfe knew exactly what you were talking about....everyone who read his post knew #that he knew.....the readers arent dumb.
So you're also a mind reader? Hah!

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ May 25 2005,20:59)]Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ May 25 2005,15:51)]Ken ,

I was refering to the St. Louis keydown . As that is what this thread is supposed to be about . I don't much appreciate the name calling tho . And I also was not refering to or accusing you of being an illegal cb'er . All I was doing was asking questions . Try to remember that personal attacks and name calling can get you banned . I would not want to see that happen . I'm sure what we have here is a simple misunderstanding . And I'm willing to leave it at that . As to what happens at these so called breaks , I have heard about several . I do still have some friends that do operate on 11 m . According to them , every " break " that any of them have ever been to has included a keydown . In some circles it is called " racing " . So according to the information that I have been given , the keydowns are a part of the breaks .
Who's Ken? Aside from calling you doofus I made no personal attacks. I attacked your post and called your post names. Whole different thing altogether. I said my piece and I will not go on about it.
kg6ytz's name is ken. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[KB5WX]

I hit the wrong key . Should have been Ben not Ken . Oops . Oh well , I never claimed to be a typist .

[AC4BB]

The thing to keep in mind here is they (Those people that aren't CB operators) They are outlaws and act as such. Last year 2 of those people were electrocuted by the amps that they treasure so dearly.

Incompetence cost them their lives. And,my prayer is that before someone innocent get seriously injured or killed that they will be busted. Simple as that. If they cause a neglient death and are hit with a multi million dollar lawsuit and become the defendands( (And there are thousands of Lawyers that would fight over that case).Then I believe that a great calming of the Superbowl would occur.

[W2FHO]

CB ER`S THAY ARE A BUNCH OF JACK @#$% NORM http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[ai4ep]

Does that mean that

all who drive white pick up trucks are jerks
all those who wear glass es are jerks
all those who read this post are jerks
all those who drink beer are jerks
all those who watch ( tv program ) are jerks
all those who wear jeans are jerks


and so on .... !!

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 26 2005,13:56)]Does that mean that

all who drive white pick up trucks are jerks
all those who wear glass es are jerks
all those who read this post are jerks
all those who drink beer are jerks
all those who watch ( tv program ) #are jerks
all those who wear jeans are jerks


and so on .... !!
not all by any means, but the vast majority are ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 25 2005,16:31)]I like the " take pictures, and video for later looking at "....cause we all know that " a picture is worth 1000 or more words " .

Heck all any one has to do is show up with a cb antenna on their vehicle, chewing some chawing terbaco, with a cold one in their hand, hollar #" hammer down " #or something similar a few times, and definately be sure not to call no one a " good buddy " and they should blend right in.

Leave the ford ranger and chevy s - 10 elsewhere, show up in a chevy suburban #with a 102 " whip on top and a galaxy / ranger rig under the dash #with an echo mike #and a small amplifier ( even if it aint even hooked up ) ...and the handle of " bad, bad leroy brown " . #Remember to stagger a little bit with that cold one in your hand ( with water inside ) .....
I was intending that to refer to undercover Federal Agents who could do this sort of thing. I wouldn't want to see hams do this. It's too dangerous for civilians to attempt to gather evidence in a place where they'd be surrounded by people who would take exception. Better for LEO types to do it, as they take precautions and know what is good evidence and what is not, how to gather the evidence without making themselves look obvious and how to get backup if they need it.

We'll just have to see what comes down.

[w7auw]

why don't you paint a line on the tarmac and dare them to cross it , those bad boys. waah!

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ke7auw @ May 26 2005,21:33)]why don't you paint a line on the tarmac and dare them to cross it , those bad boys. # waah!
You might just be onto something.

[ai4ep]

The big day is TOMORROW ( Saturday )... are we all ready ?

[KB5WX]

This would be a great opportunity for the FCC to send a message to anyone wanting to run illegal . I , for one , would love to see the message sent and recieved .

[AC4BB]

Just for an up-date on the keydown situation. I had read the earlier posts that the keyclowns would be affecting the area in the VHF air communications I did some checking and decide to check the lower harmonics at 3.005 3.860 and 5.405 and could could hear the splatter from 27.025 there tonight after sundown. To be exact at 0:130 UTC. and the splatter was very pronounced. So apparently they will have some serious harmonics both up and down. This would be agolden opportunity for the FCC to earn their money and dosomething they s hould have done a long time ago. Listen out on 60 meters and chances are you'll hear the splatter very well.

[WA2ZDY]

What is a lower harmonic and how exactly are frequencies like 3005, 3860, 5405 (assuming you mean KHz) related to harmonics from 11m transmitters? Ya lost me somewhere.

Also, where are you compared to St Louis airport?

Sure, this would be a great opportunity for FCC to make a big bust. But if they don't care, we are powerless to do anything about it. Sad how bureaucracy can be. On the other hand, they're not going to tell US ahead of time what they plan. If they did, there would be no key-down. Why drive the knuckleheads underground if you think you may have them in the sights?

[KG6YTZ]

I'm assuming that the keydown should be happening as I type this. I've been listening to CB 6 [27.025 MHz] for most of the morning - guessing that this is probably the channel they're most likely to be using - and have heard nothing but static.

Of course, this probably means nothing more than that the conditions might not be favorable for 11m signals from St. Louis to be heard in the Los Angeles area.

[ai4ep]

...so apparently ( according to the evening news )...nothing occured.

14 pages later, here we are.

[KG6YTZ]

I wasn't able to determine anything from here. I got a few fading signals from time to time, but they didn't sound like the kind of traffic that might have been coming out of St. Louis [yelling, bragging, massive heterodyne, and so on]. Again, though, maybe the conditions just weren't there.

Wonder if the keydown even happened...? I guess we'll just wait to see if NewsLine or ARRL has any reports about arrests, fines being issued, a bunch of CB'ers in Suburbans being refused admission to the park, etc.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 29 2005,17:18)]...looks like no one is going to tell the rest of us any thing... ?
"Nothing to see here; move along..."

The " 'Bowl was rollin' " in Ohio, as they say...it just wasn't rolling in from Missouri. Lots of N/S sporadic E, but the keydown traffic was a no-show here. Heard a few of the participants conversing about it on 27.025 this afternoon, though...

[AC4BB]

I heard something Saturday Afternoon that was"TTTTTTTTTTT, Test, test over and over till about 0000 UTC and then I got listening to that 27.620 repeater and never got back to listening to the Bowl.

[AC4BB]

I know that the Big St. louis keydown is over and all the keyclowns have moved on to bigger better killing fields I do mean Killing fields. The thought occured to me about all their(Keyclowns) denials that Electrical energy would do them or anyone else around them any harm and to them it's just (Good clean fun).

However, I remembered back to my days in college and I studied electrical engineering. One of the first things we were taught was electrical safety. Both when you're in physical contact with wires and the times when you weren't. That even being in the pesence of electricity or EMF can be deadly.


So< I did a little googling on the subject. And bear in mind here i'm talking about 50-60 cycle lines about 100 ft above the ground.[URL=www.leyman.demon.co.uk/06%20power_lines.html]powerline hazards.

If 60 Cycles can kill 100 ft above ground imagine what 40 to 50 kw can do right next to you at 27 MHZ.?

[ai4ep]

...so now OSHA should be at all " clown downs " ??

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ June 04 2005,07:48)]...so now OSHA should be at all " clown downs " ??
I don't recall mentioning anything about OSHA involvement.

[ai4ep]

BB...we all know that YOU did not mention " OSHA being at all the clown downs " because I ( me ) did.

We dont need any of the " clowns " at the " clown downs " getting hurt or RF burns over their precious bodies while AT these infamous events. So at least one if not more OSHA representatives need to be present to make sure that none of the "clowns " at the " clown downs " get an injury.

now that that is settled...............next !http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif