Liberals simply haven't understood the brutal

[kg4kww]

Liberals simply haven't understood the brutal reality of the world (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4322611.stm)

[kd5rpo]

Your statement shows a lack of understanding that the UK Liberal party is not the same as the Liberal Democrat party.

Information: UK Liberal Party (http://www.liberal.org.uk/)

Granted, they both want to keep basic human rights alive, as do many people in the US who are conservative in protecting the US constitution in the face of the "Patriot Act".

Some people give up their rights with ease. In this country people who did that in 1776 were called Torys.


KD5RPO

[KD7WHQ]

...and viewed with disdain.

You missed that..

[KG4CGC]

We separated from King George and now we have our own King George. History repeats itself!

[kg4kww]

Well once again the basic point of the new article has gone over some heads.

[W8CEI]

Sounds like the old boy knows what he is talking about. BUT folks dont want to hear this stuff, they better wake up & get with it. They are the same ones that after a bomb go's off or a building is blowed to hell, will sceam "why didn't someone do something aabout this" And have a big investagation. Thats human nature we have to get hit before we act. good Post KWW 73 W8CEI "The mind is like a parachute it works best when fully open"

[w5klb]

You talking about what's going on in the UK. That is a "horse of a different color" than the liberals of this country. I don't like to commit on their internal affairs because I wouldn't like them commenting on the internal affairs of this country. We all remember the letter writing campain sponsered by the UK Tabloid " The Guardian" to an Ohio county trying to "throw" a Presidental election. We didn't like it just as they wouldn't like us commenting on their affairs.

[KG4CGC]

I just don't understand why liberals would get labeled as supporting terrorism. The harder one side pushes, the harder the other side pushes back. Whether it goes on here or across the pond, it's just a tug of war for your vote and an attempt to get YOU (no one specific here) to help push party line propaganda.
Back to the most basic concept of mass rule: Divide and conquer.
Wise up!

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Mar. 06 2005,20:43)]I just don't understand why liberals would get labeled as supporting terrorism. The harder one side pushes, the harder the other side pushes back. Whether it goes on here or across the pond, it's just a tug of war for your vote and an attempt to get YOU (no one specific here) to help push party line propaganda.
# Back to the most basic concept of mass rule: Divide and conquer.
# # # # # # # #Wise up!
CGC,

I don't think that liberals support terrorism anymore than conservatives. The main difference is in approach. They would want to "bury their head in the sand" and pretend it doesn't exsist. As long as it is happening somewhere else besides where they live, it just doesn't matter. However, what they fail to realise is that terrorist want to take over, spread wahabeeism <sp> (an extreamist form of "Islam"), and kill whoever doesn't comply with their "standards".

Yep, with these terrorist, it IS "back to the most basic concept of mass rule: Divide and conquer" and ALL OF US need to "wise up" to this.

How would you feel if you had to give up Wiccan to convert to wahabeeism or be killed? This is what they want.

[KG4CGC]

Who says I'm Wiccan?
# And yes, I agree with you about the wahabi factor.

[w2wtf]

Viva la revolution!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K0RGR]

It's difficult from that snippet to tell what's what. It sounds like the British are debating some new laws that are similar to our 'Patriot Act', and they are not popular in all quarters.

When I was in England last fall, there was an Al Qaeda cell arrested less than a mile from where I was staying. I don't know what they were up to, but I hope the authorities figured it out. I think the good news is that they were caught - to me, this is an indication that while on the surface, the Brits seem fairly oblivious, their police and intelligence agencies must be scrambling like the dickens just out of view. I was not impressed with the security at their airports, however - definitely not up to U.S. standards, and not safe in my opinion.

[KD7WHQ]

KLB, that would be "Wicca." The "Wiccan" is the individual http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

CGC, might be the pentagram..

[kg4kww]

Yep, CGC is into devil worship. I just hope he gets saved before it's to late.

The terrorists want to rule the world. I liken them in some ways to modern day hitler types.

[W8EFA]

Liberals want to stop terrorism too, #they want to get the real terrorists though. #Bush went off to Iraq who wasn't connected to Al Quieda. #It would have been a lot more effective to track down Osama Bin Laden and all his terrorists cells. #Instead Bush went off to invade Iraq on a personal vendetta.

We got Sadaam who wasn't a threat, #and didn't get Osama who we know is the terrrorist that attacked and killed Americans!

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (kg4foy @ Mar. 07 2005,15:33)]Viva la revolution!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Interesting point.
But to get a revolution, you have to have people that care enough to get on the band wagon and that has some initiative like in my parents days which we don't have now. All there is now is sheep....

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Mar. 07 2005,22:56)]Yep, CGC is into devil worship. I just hope he gets saved before it's to late.
Do you have any facts to back up that statement or are you going to attack me based on ignorance and blind faith? Well Greg?

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Mar. 07 2005,09:25)]Who says I'm Wiccan?
# And yes, I agree with you about the wahabi factor.
Seeing the star I thought maybe you were OM. If not, I offer my appologies.

My bad.

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Mar. 08 2005,11:46)]Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Mar. 07 2005,09:25)]Who says I'm Wiccan?
# And yes, I agree with you about the wahabi factor.
Seeing the star I mabe you were OM. If not, I offer my appologies.

My bad.
No need to apologize, I am not offended. The pentacle is used in many cultures and I was not specific as to why I chose it.
However, I do have to wonder where KWW gets his facts about me.

[w5klb]

Bill, EFA

Are you trying to rewrite history again? Terrorism and "personal vendettas" are NOT why we went into Iraq. It was because we thought "Bootlicker" WMD's and the whole world agreed

EFA says:

We got Saddam who wasn't a threat...

But NO ONE knew that at that time including you.

... and didn't get Osama who we know is the terrorist that attacked and killed Americans!

Osama didn't attack anyone. He is too much of a COWARD for that. He gave his "blessing" on a plan to bring down the towers.

We have have murderes, rapist, theives on the FBI's Most Wanted List for years. We haven't gotten them either, but I don't hear your liberal/socialist party clammering about that.

[kg4kww]

4CGC The pentacle speaks for it's self.

enough said about that issue.

You need to be worried about terrorists and how to stop them.

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Mar. 08 2005,13:22)]4CGC The pentacle speaks for it's self.

enough said about that issue.

You need to be worried about terrorists and how to stop them.
Uh, Excuse me? No Sir, You opened a Pandora's Box by accusing me of Devil Worship. Frankly Sir, I have a problem with that.

[w8znx]

hello

I for one
do not worry about terrorists

more people die in car wrecks
fall down stairs
wrong medication

terrorists just a new part of life
nobody gets out of here alive

rather take my chances with terrorists
then goverment abridgment of our rights

founding fathers knew
all goverments
are danger to personal rights/freedom

the more laws passed to protect us
less free we are

funny how todays neo conservative
is not a real conservative

look up conservative
in dictionary

4kww

why should you
worry about terrorists
your pie in the sky awaits

i trust devil worshiper
before
trust kill for jesus christians

2000 years kill for jesus

baptise
then kill native peoples

burn their books
wipe out their religion

burn little old ladies by the thousands

run the jews out of spain

the crusades

hell
my favorite
the reformation
christians killing christians
all with god/jesus
on their side

our religion good
your religion bad
kill and destroy
all unbelevers

there is no devil
there is no god

god did not make man

men made god and devil
used religion
control people
with kings that ruled
by god given
divine right

mac

[KB9YCO]

I think I agree with you but I'm trying to figure out what cryptic language that is... no offense, but you've posted that way a few times and it's a bit disconcerting and sometimes unclear.

As far as pentacles go, they are only Satanic if they are inverted with a double ring and the proper Latin inscrpition, so lighten up on that one. From what I recall the type of pentacle being displayed here started as some kind of Christian protection symbol. I'm sure some internet research by someone will tell you more, but I think I recall that correctly.

And, as always, don't want to disappoint my adoring fans, Republicans by and large aren't conservative, and Democrats mostly aren't liberal. That's the facts Jack...

[G0GQK]

I read many postings on the internet and at regular intervals there are comments from people who use the word liberal as an insult. This seems to be more appropriate to Americans than to any other nationalities.

It most often appears when someone holds views with which they do not agree. So, is the person having a different point of view to their own a legitimate target for uneccessary insults ?

May I offer the following,

LIBERAL Directed to general broadening of the mind, not professional ot technical.

LIBERAL Giving freely, generous, not sparing, ample,
abundant, open minded, candid, unprejudiced.

LIBERAL Favourable to democratic reform and individual liberty

These are the explanations of the word liberal from the Oxford Dictionary.

It would appear that in the USA most people, especially at Election times ,do not understand the meaning of the word.

[KB9YCO]

G0GQK, I've made this point more times than I can count on this website, only to be told that I am making the definition, meanwhile my signature comes from the dictionary, I didn't write it. Narrow minds will continue to be narrow minds regardless of what you say. Let them argue semantics and throw around labels all they want to, anyone with a clue knows the truth behind the labeling; it usually says more about the person using the label than the person it's directed at.

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Mar. 08 2005,14:38)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Mar. 08 2005,13:22)]4CGC The pentacle speaks for it's self.

enough said about that issue.

You need to be worried about terrorists and how to stop them.
Uh, Excuse me? No Sir, You opened a Pandora's Box by accusing me of Devil Worship. Frankly Sir, I have a problem with that.

[KG4CGC]

You have to face up to the fact that you accuse me of something hidious on a world wide forum. Where are your facts Greg? I want proof that you either know exactly what you are talking about and you can prove it or tell the whole world that you are wrong and that you have NO IDEA of what you're talking about. I'll not accept your hit and run tactics.
I expect an apology on this forum in front of the whole world. No games, no sidestepping. No fooling Greg, what if I accused you of necrophelia based on nothing more than the fact that you are a UT? Not a very pretty scenario especially considering that it would only take ONE accusation to ruin a reputation in the business.
Now then, prove your accusation to be true OR apologize!

[w8znx]

hoy
Brett
what's
over ur left shoulder
looks like
general radio box
u got to be hep
also have sx 100
the way i post
must be
the way i post
others may call it poetry
at best
i spew doggeral
not even great bad poetry

its the
way think / process years of exposure
ageing addle brained cheep drugs
hippy industrial printing chemistry

also think fun
to fill
page
this
way

think
way i post
hard to read

i can not read the end to end no space no punctuation of most postings filling every space from end to end some bb can fill the screen with with more than 30 words heck most book pages use
less than 18 words per line check out news paper old hand books
short stories used linotype slug for each columm 7 to 10 words

brett i
see spaces
another way
punctuate

informed others
if you do not like
way i compose
postings
not to worry
pass them
by

darn it
babet
french up stairs maid
wants play with
magic flute
wait
babet
got to yirm pf tje cp,[iter

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Mar. 09 2005,03:50)]You have to face up to the fact that you accuse me of something hidious on a world wide forum. Where are your facts Greg? #I want proof that you either know exactly what you are talking about and you can prove it or tell the whole world that you are wrong and that you have NO IDEA of what you're talking about. I'll not accept your hit and run tactics.
# I expect an apology on this forum in front of the whole world. No games, no sidestepping. No fooling Greg, what if I accused you of necrophelia based on nothing more than the fact that you are a UT? Not a very pretty scenario especially considering that it would only take ONE accusation to ruin a reputation in the business.
# Now then, prove your accusation to be true OR apologize!
I have to concur KWW.

Can't say someone is into devil worship if it isn't true. That would be falling into "Defamation of Caricature"

If you said that to me, I wouldn't be as forgiving as CGC.

[w2wtf]

http://www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/btn70.gif

http://home.earthlink.net/~srasite/images/tocfbuttons/06214140.jpg

http://www.the-devils-ground.com/pics/Lucifer.gif


Do these images bother you kww? They are here to prove a point.Look real close at the pentagrams and look at CGC's avatar and tell me if you see a difference?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W0UZR]

And does means that CGC is into devil worship?

Anyone ever think to ask him what his avator is, and why he has it on? #Or is more conveniant to "JUST ASSUME" ?

And you might be in hot water with the monitors too, cause this could be considered to be an attack on CGC.
So I would start deleting if I were you. And give CGC his apology.

Just trying to prevent some unnessary habbuck is all guys.

[KG4CGC]

Steve UZR,
I did not attack anyone on this board nor did I say that you are saying I did. The accusation from Greg KWW came out of nowhere and blindsided me like I got ambushed coming out of the outhouse back at the ranch.
His accusation is without facts and based on his misguided beliefs about what he THINKS he knows. Since he seems to know so much, I have offered him the opportunity to present the facts to back up his accusations. Since I believe he has no facts I demand an apology. If he can't apologize then he will lose me as a friend on this forum and he will not only lose my respect but the respect of others as well.
Greg, just admit that you made a mistake by accusing me of Devil Worship. Since you have no facts an apology on your part is your only choice. It is the only way you can save face. Be a MAN Greg and own up to your indescretions towards me. Your mistake, you own it, now face up to it. Greg, you have trespassed against me. It is time for you to make amends. Remember, the sword that you may use against me, cuts both ways.

[w5klb]

Gentelmen,

Enough, already!

Look, CGC has established that he is NOT a "devil worshoper" . Gregg, KWW, back off, before this thread gets moderated out of exsistance and LOCKED DOWN.

I can almost bet it's close to that now. Let's play nicely.

[W0UZR]

I didn't say you attacked anyone CGC. I am just agreeing with you.

KWW, CGC isn't a satin worshiper. Give him his apology.

[KD7WHQ]

Er, note something.
In all three cases, the pentagram was inverted.

Pay attention.

[N7AAO]

Well, this is a new one, even for QRZ... a discussion of Satanism. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W0UZR]

No, not a discussion on satanism. A discussion on if KWW can be a man and apologize.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Mar. 10 2005,04:51)]No, not a discussion on satanism. #A discussion on if KWW can be a man and apologize.
Why waste time debating that? He isn't and he can't (or won't). Next topic. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W0UZR]

Great! I'm glad everything worked out.

[KG4CGC]

Thank You for your support and sentiments UZR. I received a pm and I think it time to just let it go.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Mar. 10 2005,12:23)]Quote[/b] ] As of this moment he has lost me as a friend on this forum and he has lost my respect as a fellow Amateur radio operator and as a forum contributor.
#Considering that this website can be seen by the entire world makes it all the worse on a global scale. It is indeed a sad day amoung Hams and the contributors on
I would feel Exactly as you. #I PMed him and nothing.

He has lost me as a friend unless he apologizes on this forum and metioning what he said as well as making a Retraction.
I've considered him a troublemaker from Day One, so I never counted him as a friend.

Maybe he's decided to go back to talking to the cadavers. One can hope!