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kg4kww
02-10-2005, 02:03 PM
Surprise Surprise

And You said I don't Practice http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Enjoy.

Can you figure out what's being sent?

N8CPA
02-10-2005, 02:46 PM
Unless there has been some major announcement in the last 5 minutes, Canada has not yet dropped the code requirement. The only report I've seen is that a highly questionable due to limited sampling survey showed overwhelming endorsement for dropping code. IC has taken no action in that regard yet.

kg4kww
02-10-2005, 03:18 PM
True, but I think it will more than likely happen given the overwhelming endorsement for dropping code in Canada.

KL7FZ
02-10-2005, 04:12 PM
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 10 2005,08:18)]True, but I think it will more than likely happen given the overwhelming endorsement for dropping code in Canada.
kww..... 123 Canadian amateurs out of several 10s of thousands is NOT overwhelming.

That is like saying that one US Senator out of the 100 is an overwhelming number.

Do the math. You ain't anywhere close to a number that can be called overwhelming.

Not even close. Not in the ballpark. No cigar.

#KL7FZ

ai4ep
02-10-2005, 04:20 PM
He just never gives up...kww you gonna move to CANADA if it ever does pass ?

I bet he WILL, just long enuf to make it legal and get him a new license, then back to Virginia he will go !!

wa4brl
02-10-2005, 05:02 PM
Hi Greg.

MAN was that ever slow code!

I'm not convinced that YOU coded the message. Anyone from Mechanicsville would know to use "yall" instead of "you all", a serious southern faux pas! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Tell me, is the big windmill still up of the hill after crossing the Chicahominy?

kg4kww
02-10-2005, 05:05 PM
yep, I coded the message. doesn't seem like to many people were able to figure it out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Don't know about a windmill and yall isn't in my vocabulary.

K9STH
02-10-2005, 05:52 PM
Now any self-respecting southerner knows that it is "y'all" and not "yall", or "yawl", or whatever!

And I wasn't even born south of the Mason-Dixon line! But, having lived primarily in the South since September of 1962 I can definitely "translate" virtually everything between northern and southern English.

Glen, K9STH

N8CPA
02-10-2005, 05:52 PM
Though the ratio was somewhat less than 3:1, and the speed was a snoozer for my ears, the spacing was too consistent for someone merely practicing on a key. That message was typed on a full keyboard.

kg4kww
02-10-2005, 08:11 PM
Do hear the sound of a clicking keyboard?
I think not. Do you hear the sound of a key being pounded? I think so.

Now someone please tell me this. Why can I send better than I can copy? I don't get it and it's driving me crazy.

ac3p
02-10-2005, 08:32 PM
I think almost everyone can send better than they copy. At least those of us who dabble in the art of Morse.

I know ole Chuck K3FT(SK) #could carry on a conversation
while sending/receiving #traffic at 25 wpm or better, something I could never do.

I still send faster than I receive.

Don't worry about that. Just keep plugging away. #

We recently finished an on the air code class with a ham who thought he would never get the code. He said he had a learning disability.

His General ticket arrived in the mailbox yesterday.

Keep at it.

k4ah
02-10-2005, 09:54 PM
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 10 2005,08:11)]Now someone please tell me this. Why can I send better than I can copy? I don't get it and it's driving me crazy.
Most people can send better than they receive. Go figure.

This was one of the reasons the FCC stopped requiring a sending and receiving test to pass the code test.

As to why I think it must be a ZEN thing. Hi HI,

KF0RT
02-11-2005, 12:14 AM
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 10 2005,13:11)]Do hear the sound of a clicking keyboard?
I think not. Do you hear the sound of a key being pounded? I think so.

Now someone please tell me this. Why can I send better than I can copy? I don't get it and it's driving me crazy.
Hmmm. You may have a future in CW yet, KWW. That wasn't bad at all. Are you saying you pounded that out on a straight key?

Everyone else is right about being able to send faster than you can receive. I've never studied why this is, but it makes sense because when sending, you know what's coming before you get there. Not always true when receiving. In fact, one of the problems with receiving is when the code hitting your ears isn't what you expected. You get half way through a word, and it turns out to be a different word than what you were anticipating.

Someone else here was saying that sending is the best way to increase code speed. This is TRUE. The "rule" I lived by in 1969 was to send the front page of the local newspaper every day. This is pretty boring, so send as fast as you can. It'll help your receive speed immensely.

Nice job.

73, Rob (KFØRT)

ky5u
02-11-2005, 01:03 AM
Not bad Greg.

I could send faster than I receive too till I hit 20 WPM then I maxed out at 22 WPM sending without many errors. I can receive about 99% at 30WPM now so I actually receive faster than I send.

Yeah, I just need to practice buy receiving is more fun to me than sending!

KL7FZ
02-11-2005, 03:53 AM
Keep going dude. You'll get there.

You know if he keep this up, we'll have to teach him the secret handshake.

He'll also probably show up looking for admission to the after dinner cigar and brandy soiree.

KL7FZ

al2i
02-11-2005, 06:22 AM
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Feb. 10 2005,17:14)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 10 2005,13:11)]Do hear the sound of a clicking keyboard?
I think not. Do you hear the sound of a key being pounded? I think so.

Now someone please tell me this. Why can I send better than I can copy? I don't get it and it's driving me crazy.
Hmmm. You may have a future in CW yet, KWW. That wasn't bad at all. Are you saying you pounded that out on a straight key?

Everyone else is right about being able to send faster than you can receive. I've never studied why this is, but it makes sense because when sending, you know what's coming before you get there. Not always true when receiving. In fact, one of the problems with receiving is when the code hitting your ears isn't what you expected. You get half way through a word, and it turns out to be a different word than what you were anticipating.

Someone else here was saying that sending is the best way to increase code speed. This is TRUE. The "rule" I lived by in 1969 was to send the front page of the local newspaper every day. This is pretty boring, so send as fast as you can. It'll help your receive speed immensely.

Nice job.

73, Rob (KFØRT)
Hey!
This is contrary to what I have been taught and how I have practiced! That means that there must be some truth to it!
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n7wsb
02-11-2005, 07:47 AM
Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Feb. 10 2005,09:12)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 10 2005,08:18)]True, but I think it will more than likely happen given the overwhelming endorsement for dropping code in Canada.
kww..... 123 Canadian amateurs out of several 10s of thousands is NOT overwhelming.

That is like saying that one US Senator out of the 100 is an overwhelming number.

Do the math. You ain't anywhere close to a number that can be called overwhelming.

Not even close. Not in the ballpark. No cigar.

KL7FZ
It is overwhelming because the issue was open to public input. Apparently they had an underwhelming turnout, but an overwhelming majority of those who did answer rac's call supported dropping code.

Anyhow I did the math. Only 15% of the people who did respond to the RAC's requests for comments favored retaining code in Canada. Thats 84% who favor dropping code. Sounds overwhelming to me.

nz3m
02-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Are we all witnessing a change in attitude from our whacky world news reporter? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Good work Greg, keep at it. I like VHF like you do. It's a blast working the aurora and meteor scatter using CW.

Dave

K3STX
02-11-2005, 03:07 PM
I could not open the file, but I assume it is you sending CW.

Aren't you the same guy who is always telling us that CW is old-fashioned, a great mode (for those who enjoy it) but knowing the code should have nothing to do with either getting a ticket or upgrading?

Of all people, I would think that you would resist the temptation. I'm glad you're doing it of course, and wonder, if you really get into it, in one year you will change your tune. Nothing wrong with seeing the error of your ways, of course http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

paul

KB5WX
02-11-2005, 03:24 PM
Greg,

There may be hope for you yet . Keep after it , dude .

WB2RJR
02-11-2005, 03:50 PM
Greg,

Good job though I don't agree with the second part of the message.

Not machine generated code and better than some I've heard on the air. Slow by my standards but not so slow I'm taking letters apart. That says something for your timing as well. Listen to it again, the space between I and DO, C and E in practice, and the E in TIME and the period are a little short. Much better in the second sentence.

So Greg, you are the radio op on a German U boat, sending cryptic messages in the North Atlantic in fall 1942. We are monitoring, and try to keep track of who is where. Of course you don't identify yourself, but we just heard that message. Do we know who you are and where you are? Sure do, the two dits in the letter I being a little long is a dead give away(sometimes on the dit in E as well). Too bad, I've got a PBY loaded with depth charges on its way to say HI. Could be a short CW career for herr Greg.

Once again that was well done.

73, Marty WB2RJR

N8CPA
02-11-2005, 04:07 PM
Greg, I'll take your word for it. #If that is a straight key, it sounds quite good. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

As far as being able to send faster than receive. Part of the reason is because sending, whether practicing code or practicing a foreign language, involves a greater variety of nerve activity, due to the involvement of muscles. #You get more direct neural feedback when muscles are involved. #Muscles are trained actively, #the brain is trained passivley.

But fret not, cross training is possible. #Try increasing the number of muscles involved in receiving. #It takes more fine motor control to operate a pencil or pen, than it does a computer keyboard or even a straight key. #That fine motor control means more feedback for your brain, and greater feedback speeds learning. #So, if you've tried learning code by typing what you hear on the tape or computer, switch to handwriting. #You'll see a difference sooner than you may think. #Just don't get frustrated with any learning plateaus you may encounter along the way. #Relax, then tackle them again. #You'll beat 'em. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BTW, I watched another movie with Morse. "Morituri" (1965); Marlon Brando, Yul Brenner. It ends with the Captain of the "sfip" (sic) Ingo trying to make contact via CW.