State Of The Union Address

[kg4kww]

I think that tonights State Of The Union Address was a defining moment for Bush. He had every standing and cheering him on. The best moment of the whole thing was when he introduced the parents of a fallen solider. That brought tears to everyones eyes. It had to make you feel proud and sad at the same time.

Way To Go George (http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/02/02/sotu.main/index.html)

[K6BBC]

Great on foreign but his ultra-conservative domestic agenda really bothers me. I was surprised he didn’t bring up flag burning in honor of his dad.

K6BBC

[W5MEJ]

I'll agree it was a pretty good speech, probably one of his best, with a well defined foreign policy. #I'm not too thrilled just yet with some of his ideas on domestic policy either. #

One thing that really disappointed me was the minority party rebuttal. #I usually enjoy that no matter which party is in office, but the two minority leaders tonight just weren't very impressive. #No strong factual arguments, just the same old stuff plus a little homespun story designed to let us know that democrats have "moral values" too. #Come on, Democrats, you've got to do better than that. #We need a real two-party system to make this thing work!

Chuck

[KC0NBW]

i just burned two flags this evening, one was from my own flagpole and was getting pretty ragged, and the other was one that i found in a ditch along the road, it had been run over several times and was in very bad shape.

according to flag etiquette, the proper way of disposing of an old flag is by burning it.

[K6UEY]

W5MEJ,
I was disappointed also with the miniority party rebuttal. In fact I sat down to listen and within a few minutes I got up and turned it off. He took off on the Republicans will have to change their programs to be more be in step with the Democrats,didn't any one in his party inform him that the Democrats LOST the election. And Nancy Pelosi is from the Republic of Kalifornia,I would not believe any thing she said if she said it was dark outside.From your comments Chuck looks like I did not miss any thing important.
I was very pleased with the presidents speech,and the state of the country looks like it is finally getting back on track after the wild detour.I was plesased with his mention of the Israel/Palistine talks and Rice leaving to take part. I knew it was coming about but the US press has not given it much coverage,and the future of the middle East is hinged on Iraq and the new Palitinian state. I wonder what the liberals will find to bitch about now? I'm confident they will find something. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K8ERV]

I missed it. Hope it comes out on VHS---

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[w3bny]

I was calling CQ on 60

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] ](CNN) -- President Bush's State of the Union address raised support for his policies on health care and Social Security among people who watched the speech, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Wednesday night.

The percentage of respondents who said the president's proposals in those areas will help the country rose 15 points from when the same question was asked of the same people in the two days before the speech.

In the post-speech sample, 70 percent of respondents said Bush's policies on health care were positive, while 66 percent approved of the president's plan for Social Security.

Bush showed almost as much improvement on Iraq, with 78 percent of respondents saying U.S. policy there is heading in the right direction, a 12 percentage point increase over pre-speech polling. Overall, 77 percent of respondents said Bush is taking the country in the right direction after the speech compared to 67 percent beforehand.
(Courtesy CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/02/02/sotu.poll/index.html).)

[KC7UP]

I never listen to him for he hasn't spoken a word of truth ever.
Curt

[N7CPC]

Great address, great president.

[ai4ep]

kc7up...if you have never listened to the man, how do you know he never speaks the truth ?

Isnt that like saying " I was not at the scene of the accident, but I saw it " ?

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Feb. 03 2005,10:57)]" I was not at the scene of the accident, but I saw it "
You must be a lawyer then.... lol http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif


But did you see how rude and disrespectfuf Hillary Clinton was being during the speech cutting up with those around her. Now if she were giving a speech I'd bet she would have said something to anyone who was goofing off on her time.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (kg4foy @ Feb. 03 2005,11:15)]But did you see how rude and disrespectfuf Hillary Clinton was being during the speech cutting up with those around her. Now if she were giving a speech I'd bet she would have said something to anyone who was goofing off on her time.
she would have "fainted" again, to make sure everyone was watching her! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[N7NET]

It is my right to disagree with the president no matter who has lost,or won

[K8EEI]

Great speech . I still don't have healthcare and looks like Social Security is bye -bye . Nice deficit . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kg4kww]

Bush and his team have created 2.5 million new jobs. That's something. With jobs come for need for goods. With more need for goods comes lower prices. Not only to the retailer by to you the consumer.

I thought Condi looked great. She's a real dish. And that's what will help her with these tuff guy leaders overseas, not to mention her education.

Bush has kept the terrorists out of our country and we haven't had any more 9-11 type problems, thank god.

[n9par]

I missed it what a shame!What has he done for me?Like somone elese said I have no healthcare and everyone keeps talking about how millions of us don't have any!No one seems to get off of their lazy butts to do somthing about it thats one reason I don't vote.Why do they care they have healthcare that I'm paying for.Anyone running for office will promise you the world until they get in then all of a sudden they forget the promises they made to you.I think some times I would be better off being one of those people that sit at home and collect welfare.I just have way to much pride for that.I better get off of my soap box.Sorry to sound mad but I see people getting to sit at home and watching daytime tv while having state payed healthcare while I'm working almost everyday with none.
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[kd5rpo]

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/531-Bush-Job-Loss.gif

Bush has lost many more jobs than he gained back. Especially compared to our population growth.
The big story is "Missing Jobs," not "Lost Jobs." Over half of the jobs lost have been replaced. But since January 2001, the economy should have added 6 million jobs. The Normal-Growth line shows what was needed to keep up with population growth according to Bush's Council of Economic Advisors (CEA).

KD5RPO

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,18:01)]
Quote[/b] ]Bush and his team have created 2.5 million new jobs

And some continuing business for your industry...

[kg4kww]

X7B, that's a pretty low thing to say. I don't like to see these men and women die in war any more than anyone else does. In fact my son is active Military and is involved in this war. So, I worry just like all the other parents out there do. I don't want harm to come to son anymore that I would want it come to any one elses son or daughter.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,20:13)]X7B, that's a pretty low thing to say. I don't like to see these men and women die in war any more than anyone else does. In fact my son is active Military and is involved in this war. So, I worry just like all the other parents out there do. I don't want harm to come to son anymore that I would want it come to any one elses son or daughter.
Good old 7B compassion on display, I see.

[N7AAO]

http://www.geocities.com/davidf1966/employment.gif

http://www.geocities.com/davidf1966/Earnings.gif

Both charts courtesy U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov).

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 03 2005,19:20)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,20:13)]X7B, that's a pretty low thing to say. I don't like to see these men and women die in war any more than anyone else does. In fact my son is active Military and is involved in this war. So, I worry just like all the other parents out there do. I don't want harm to come to son anymore that I would want it come to any one elses son or daughter.
Good old 7B compassion on display, I see.
Nothing low about it at all... It's a reality. You Bush supporters should have KNOWN about before this whole stupid escapade started.

If any of KWW's family members are at risk, well, you should look to the President's policies as the reason. Bush's reasons for this war are complete Bravo Sierra.

As to the compassion argument, AAO, I'm entitled to my opinion and to express it, as you do approx 30-40 times a day on QRZ. Isn't that part of your whole "free speech" rant you always talk about?

Bush's stupid war has caused the deaths of over 1500 Americans. That is a fact...I pointed out the fact, and you chose to make it smear. Bush is responsible for ALL American and Iraqi deaths based on LIES to start this war.

Don't EVEN start the BS "freedom", "democracy" garbage on Iraq. Our intervention has just started a civil war which will go on forever...

Dave WX7B

[K6UEY]

KG4KWW,
Easy on the Liberal's they lost the election,with a candidate that was the only hope of saving the world.

Now the winner has generated 2.5 Million new jobs to cover those lost from the recession generated by their last President.

The Fed. just raised Interest rates a quarter point,a sign the recovery from the recession is going too fast and the economy is growing too rapid and #has to be slowed down.

Peace in the World in the middle East is hinged on the Arab crisis.

The Iraqi's have just had an election and the turn out was greater than expected.

The administration is sending Secretary of State Rice to take part in the Conference between the Israeli and the Palistinian's on the new Palistinian State.

The European Conference with the Iranians on stopping their Atomic Research is going well, and all this is being done with out the help of their libreral Socialist candidate.

The President of Iraq assured the world that the possibility of a civil war in Iraq is null.As exemplified by the large turnout of voters from all 3 factions that were representented.
The President of Iraq further stated that once ample Iraqi police and security forces are trained US forces can return home.

What's a mother to do ?? #All this is going on under the supervision of G.Dubya, who would of thunk it was possible. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 03 2005,20:25)]http://www.geocities.com/davidf1966/employment.gif

http://www.geocities.com/davidf1966/Earnings.gif

Both charts courtesy U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov).
AAO Once again you are posting total JOBS! Every day we have more eligible workers. You have been told this many times now. I have pointed this out myself to you 2 or 3 times before.

You should work for the Bush administration as they are also very good at distorting facts.

Look back a couple of posts at KD5RPO to see the real numbers based on eligible workers!

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Feb. 03 2005,20:59)]You should work for the Bush administration as they are also very good at distorting facts.
All I did, EFA, was post two graphs. How is that distorting facts?

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 03 2005,19:40)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,18:01)]
Quote[/b] ]Bush and his team have created 2.5 million new jobs

And some continuing business for your industry...
I think its time to come clean, 7B, and answer FOY's question. #What have YOU done for this country besides bitch and carry on? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N7AAO]

http://www.geocities.com/davidf1966/employment.gif

Let us now give serious consideration to EFA's claim that the growth shown in the graph above is merely due to population growth.

Alas, Grasshopper, unlike the ivory-tower theories of professors, the real world does not automatically create a new job for each new person born.

Also, notice, Grasshopper, that the chart does not just show more people, it shows more people with jobs; an important distinction.

With population growth a given (by your own statement, Grasshopper), we have three possibilities: population growth with a declining job market (less jobs), population growth with a stagnant job market (same number of jobs), or population growth with an expanding job market (more jobs).

Which of these three does the graph indicate, Grasshopper?

A declining job market would appear on a graph of people with jobs as a line going down. A stagnant job market would appear on such a graph as a line straight across. An expanding job market would appear as a line trending upwards.

Now, here is the really interesting part, Grasshopper!

This graph actually shows all three! If you look closely, you will see that around January 2001 the job market started to decline, as indicated by a line going down. Then, about January 2002, the job market stagnates for a short time, as shown by the line going straight across. And now, thanks to the President's tax cut and other policies, we see the line going upwards again, beginning about January 2004.

Therefore, we currently have an expanding job market, not just population growth.

You have learned an important lesson in basic economics, Grasshopper. Now, go forth and teach others!

("Grasshopper" theme used in fond remembrance of K3FT.)

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[kg4kww]

7AAO go get'm Tiger.

Bush has done more this country than Clinto would have done, and dare I say a lot more that Kerry would have done. All Clinton did was teach us what shouldn't be done with a cigar in the Oval Office. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,04:09)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 03 2005,19:40)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,18:01)]
Quote[/b] ]Bush and his team have created 2.5 million new jobs

And some continuing business for your industry...
I think its time to come clean, 7B, and answer FOY's question. #What have YOU done for this country besides bitch and carry on? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I don't owe you an explanation either, Corporal Bob...

I'm exercising my rights as an American, much like you do with your tirades about "liberals" and your obession with Clinton.

If you don't like my opinions, tough...

Dave WX7B

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 03 2005,20:37)]If any of KWW's family members are at risk, well, you should look to the President's policies as the reason. Bush's reasons for this war are complete Bravo Sierra.
Quite a few million Iraqis would disagree with you.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] ]I thought Condi looked great. She's a real dish. And that's what will help her with these tuff guy leaders overseas... kg4kww

Most disturbing quote of the thread. I don't care what you think about her politically, but to me she looks like a horse mixed with a rat. To each their own I guess, just my opinion.
As far as Bush's address, sounded like the same old crap that ALL politicians do, distort and twist in your favor, disregard the rest, and have a nice big fake smile. The Democrap response was about as lame and distorted as the Bush rant. Oy, politicians...

"Some would say I was a lost man in a lost world
You could say I lost my faith in the people on t.v.
You could say I’d lost my belief in our politicians
They all seemed like game show hosts to me..." Sting - IF I EVER LOSE MY FAITH IN YOU (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sting-&-police/132416.html)

[KB9YCO]

For those of you arguing about the job issue:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. employers added just 146,000 jobs in January, the government said on Friday in an unexpectedly weak report on the labor market, but a drop in job-seekers pushed the unemployment rate to its lowest level in more than three years."
Job Gains Disappoint; Jobless Rate 3-Year Low (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=749&e=1&u=/nm/20050204/bs_nm/economy_dc)

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]If you don't like my opinions, tough...

And the converse is true - if you don't like my opinions, tough.

However, I give you a "name" to call me - corporal - a name that I am proud of. #Evidently you have nothing to be proud of. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Feb. 04 2005,09:15)]For those of you arguing about the job issue:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. employers added just 146,000 jobs in January, the government said on Friday in an unexpectedly weak report on the labor market, but a drop in job-seekers pushed the unemployment rate to its lowest level in more than three years."
Job Gains Disappoint; Jobless Rate 3-Year Low (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=749&e=1&u=/nm/20050204/bs_nm/economy_dc)
Thank you.

146,000 more jobs, and a 3-year low in unemployment, thanks to Dubya... that is, if any President can really be said to create jobs, which itself is debatable.

"The truth is marching on..."

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[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,10:30)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,18:02)]146,000 more jobs, and a 3-year low in unemployment, thanks to Dubya... that is, if any President can really be said to create jobs, which itself is debatable.
Perhaps but don't overlook the fact that the Dollar has fallen about 15% against other currencies since 2002 and one of the reasons that the Feds raised the Interest rates is to help slow down the fall of the dollar. #All this on Dubya's watch..
You have to look at the Big picture, Not just the part that seems Favorable to the Dubya Camp.
Perhaps some of the Low Unemployment is due to All the Men and women missing from their jobs as they are off fighting and DYING #In the Middle east... #Just a thought.
No, a National Guard member's job is guaranteed by law while he/she is serving overseas. And in a nation of 293,027,571 people (2004 estimate), 1,400 casualties would make no statistical difference in the job figures.

Nice try, Grasshopper. Please go re-read the lesson.

Post Edit: Falling dollar rates against a given currency are not necessarily a true value of either currency, says this article (http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=1394) by a Swedish Ph.D in Economics. That is your homework for this weekend, Grasshopper.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,04:09)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 03 2005,19:40)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,18:01)]
Quote[/b] ]Bush and his team have created 2.5 million new jobs

And some continuing business for your industry...
I think its time to come clean, 7B, and answer FOY's question. #What have YOU done for this country besides bitch and carry on? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I don't owe you an explanation either, Corporal Bob...

I'm exercising my rights as an American, much like you do with your tirades about "liberals" and your obession with Clinton.

If you don't like my opinions, tough...

Dave WX7B
Hey, 7B, I'd also like to know what you have done, or are doing, for your fellow man.

FOY is in emergency medicine; VNP went to war as a Corporal, which means he was actually doing the fighting instead of sitting behind the lines drinking double lattes, I am on both the Safety and Wellness Committee and the Evacuation Team at work, as well as being a trained first responder.

So, what about you?

[KC0NBW]

unfortunately, people do die during periods of armed conflict.

58,000+ died during the vietnam war.

the number of our troops killed in the gulf area is a drop in a bucket compared to any other period of combat in our history.

it is too bad they died, but they knew the risk was there when they enlisted.

i have the utmost respect for the people who are willing to lay their life on the line for freedom.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Feb. 04 2005,12:16)]unfortunately, people do die during periods of armed conflict.
Very true, and also very sad.

However, the point I was making is that 1,400 people leaving the job market for whatever reason (liberals moving to Canada, perhaps?) is statistically insignificant in a nation with a workforce the size of ours.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,14:06)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,20:06)]No, a National Guard member's job is guaranteed by law while he/she is serving overseas. And in a nation of 293,027,571 people (2004 estimate), 1,400 casualties would make no statistical difference in the job figures.

Nice try, Grasshopper. Please go re-read the lesson.

Post Edit: Falling dollar rates against a given currency are not necessarily a true value of either currency, says this article (http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=1394) by a Swedish Ph.D in Economics. That is your homework for this weekend, Grasshopper.
Yo #David, #Yes about 1500 have died. Yes their Jobs are Guaranteed WHEN THEY COME BACK!! What about the 150,000 that are away from their jobs #while fighting over there? #I wasn't referring to the Ones that died. I was referring to the Ones "Gone from their Jobs while fighting in Iraq" #Who fills their regualr jobs when they are away... #OTHER PEOPLE do!
Grasshopper, you must understand statistics.

150,000 out of 293,027,571 is 0.051189722348686434%... in other words, about 5/100 of 1 percent of the population is over there fighting.

That is what is called "statistically insignificant," Grasshopper.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,12:13)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,04:09)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 03 2005,19:40)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,18:01)]
Quote[/b] ]Bush and his team have created 2.5 million new jobs

And some continuing business for your industry...
I think its time to come clean, 7B, and answer FOY's question. What have YOU done for this country besides bitch and carry on? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I don't owe you an explanation either, Corporal Bob...

I'm exercising my rights as an American, much like you do with your tirades about "liberals" and your obession with Clinton.

If you don't like my opinions, tough...

Dave WX7B
Hey, 7B, I'd also like to know what you have done, or are doing, for your fellow man.

FOY is in emergency medicine; VNP went to war as a Corporal, which means he was actually doing the fighting instead of sitting behind the lines drinking double lattes, I am on both the Safety and Wellness Committee and the Evacuation Team at work, as well as being a trained first responder.

So, what about you?
What is this obsession with what someone has done for their fellow man or this country? What does it matter aao?

Do you [and a few others] measure a man's worth by this crap?

How about if a person has a job, obeys the law, and pays taxes. That should be good enough. Is it good enough for you?

What the he$$ have you accomplished with nearly 6000 posts on one internet forum?

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,08:40)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]If you don't like my opinions, tough...

And the converse is true - if you don't like my opinions, tough.

However, I give you a "name" to call me - corporal - a name that I am proud of. #Evidently you have nothing to be proud of. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
At EASE, Corporal Bob...

I have many things to be proud of... I just don't feel it necessary to advertise unlike you, Corporal Bob...

I think it's really curious a freedom loving "patriot" such as yourself should be so bothered by someone expressing their opinion, especially since the conversation wasn't directed at you.

If you're so concerned about "service", why don't you ask one of your vocal buddies here what HIS service was? I'm not talking about any amateur radio stuff either, he's only been licensed (like you) a short time. You won't, because you and he believe the same nonsense. At least he sometimes attempts posts of substance, unlike you and your constant talk radio type nattering...

Dave WX7B

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,11:13)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,04:09)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 03 2005,19:40)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Feb. 03 2005,18:01)]
Quote[/b] ]Bush and his team have created 2.5 million new jobs

And some continuing business for your industry...
I think its time to come clean, 7B, and answer FOY's question. #What have YOU done for this country besides bitch and carry on? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I don't owe you an explanation either, Corporal Bob...

I'm exercising my rights as an American, much like you do with your tirades about "liberals" and your obession with Clinton.

If you don't like my opinions, tough...

Dave WX7B
Hey, 7B, I'd also like to know what you have done, or are doing, for your fellow man.

FOY is in emergency medicine; VNP went to war as a Corporal, which means he was actually doing the fighting instead of sitting behind the lines drinking double lattes, I am on both the Safety and Wellness Committee and the Evacuation Team at work, as well as being a trained first responder.

So, what about you?
Well, I missed this gem...So my response to Corporal Bob is a bit dated. I don't spend all day on this board like you do, AAO. I don't have time to make 30-40 posts a day on an Amateur Radio message board.

All I have to say to all three of you is BIG DEAL especially your "service" AAO.

My main point to FOY a loooooooooooonnnng time ago was that "service" doesn't give one's opinion precedent over another's. You especially should get that, as you bring up the "freedom" thing all the time.

BTW, what's with the "grasshopper" garbage? I'm thinking of dusting off "Dave Baby" if you continue to go along that track. Aren't you the one who whined about using proper names? Numerous times?

Dave WX7B

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,15:05)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,08:40)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]If you don't like my opinions, tough...

And the converse is true - if you don't like my opinions, tough.

However, I give you a "name" to call me - corporal - a name that I am proud of. #Evidently you have nothing to be proud of. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
At EASE, Corporal Bob...

I have many things to be proud of... I just don't feel it necessary to advertise unlike you, Corporal Bob...

I think it's really curious a freedom loving "patriot" such as yourself should be so bothered by someone expressing their opinion, especially since the conversation wasn't directed at you.

If you're so concerned about "service", why don't you ask one of your vocal buddies here what HIS service was? I'm not talking about any amateur radio stuff either, he's only been licensed (like you) a short time. You won't, because you and he believe the same nonsense. At least he sometimes attempts posts of substance, unlike you and your constant talk radio type nattering...

Dave WX7B
I am at ease, Dave. #I certainly won't get spun up over your comments. #If you really want to know why I want to know, its because I am curious. #You should understand that I know various people do various things, some braver than others. #I just find it funny that others ask what YOU have done and you skirt the question. #Ashamed? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

CT

It's funny that you crawl out of your cave to nip at someone's heels and then crawl back in. #Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas, anymore! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ Feb. 04 2005,14:04)]What the he$$ have you accomplished with nearly 6000 posts on one internet forum?
Nothing. Except rip off his employer, if he has one...

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,14:33)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,15:05)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,08:40)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]If you don't like my opinions, tough...

And the converse is true - if you don't like my opinions, tough.

However, I give you a "name" to call me - corporal - a name that I am proud of. #Evidently you have nothing to be proud of. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
At EASE, Corporal Bob...

I have many things to be proud of... I just don't feel it necessary to advertise unlike you, Corporal Bob...

I think it's really curious a freedom loving "patriot" such as yourself should be so bothered by someone expressing their opinion, especially since the conversation wasn't directed at you.

If you're so concerned about "service", why don't you ask one of your vocal buddies here what HIS service was? I'm not talking about any amateur radio stuff either, he's only been licensed (like you) a short time. You won't, because you and he believe the same nonsense. At least he sometimes attempts posts of substance, unlike you and your constant talk radio type nattering...

Dave WX7B
I am at ease, Dave. #I certainly won't get spun up over your comments. #If you really want to know why I want to know, its because I am curious. #You should understand that I know various people do various things, some braver than others. #I just find it funny that others ask what YOU have done and you skirt the question. #Ashamed? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

CT

It's funny that you crawl out of your cave to nip at someone's heels and then crawl back in. #Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas, anymore! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Cute, Corporal Bob, but I'm not going to bite.

What did YOU do, clean toilets? Quartermaster Corps? In the rear with the gear? Draftee? Did YOU ever get shot at? Otherwise, the military is a J..O..B just like anything else.

I already explained to you and FOY I don't have to justify myself to you "patriots".

I reiterate (look it up) what I said earlier. You NEVER have anything of substance to say. It's always some worn out "liberal" or Clinton bashing rerun.

I'm comfortable in my skin. You obviously aren't in yours.

Dave WX7B

[K6UEY]

WX7B,
What is this,you and WK are always calling some one to be banned for using names and labels,and here you call AAO a thief on world wide web Forum ??
Don't do as I do, but do as I say ?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,15:40)]What did YOU do, clean toilets? Quartermaster Corps? In the rear with the gear? Draftee? Did YOU ever get shot at? Otherwise, the military is a J..O..B #just like anything else.

I already explained to you and FOY I don't have to justify myself to you "patriots".

I reiterate (look it up) what I said earlier. You NEVER have anything of substance to say. It's always some worn out "liberal" or Clinton bashing rerun.

I'm comfortable in my skin. You obviously aren't in yours.

Dave WX7B
You're right, you don't have to justify yourself, Dave. #But I for one will consider your posts inconsequential: you have nothing to back them up.

And no, I didn't clean toilets.

#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,14:57)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,15:40)]What did YOU do, clean toilets? Quartermaster Corps? In the rear with the gear? Draftee? Did YOU ever get shot at? Otherwise, the military is a J..O..B #just like anything else.

I already explained to you and FOY I don't have to justify myself to you "patriots".

I reiterate (look it up) what I said earlier. You NEVER have anything of substance to say. It's always some worn out "liberal" or Clinton bashing rerun.

I'm comfortable in my skin. You obviously aren't in yours.

Dave WX7B
You're right, you don't have to justify yourself, Dave. #But I for one will consider your posts inconsequential: you have nothing to back them up.

And no, I didn't clean toilets.

#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Ok, (I'm going to pull an AAO here and not let this drop) so that means if I wasn't in the service or a fireman, that my posts are inconsequential? Is that what you're saying Corporal Bob? Do I have to have a little uniform, a discharge, a little badge, A TEXACO junior fireman hat and a dalmatian to make my posts legitimate? Huh? Do you know what you're saying? Probably not...

Why do I have to have anything in my background to "back up" what I say? Again I ask you. Does you "service" (if indeed true) make your writings more consequential?

All I see from you is a cute little avatar and "cpl, 101st Airborne" in your signature. Any boob could use THOSE. Who says YOU are what you say you are?

For the record, I don't care about your background or your service record. I can only respond to the content of your posts, which frankly, have been devoid of any substantial content.

Dave WX7B

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 04 2005,14:42)]WX7B,
What is this,you and WK are always calling some one to be banned for using names and labels,and here you call AAO a thief on world wide web Forum ??
Don't do as I do, but do as I say ?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
B.(h)UEY:

You're the last person to complain about banning. How many times have you whined that you've been "picked on" and the moderators should ban someone.





Quote[/b] ]Don't do as I do, but do as I say ??

Back at ya, B. (h)UEY...

[KB8VNP]

In your feeble opinion, Dave. #But I have been thinking. #Your post removed two times constitutes a personal attack. #Clean toilets? #Hardly Dave. #And Dave, why do you call me a BOOB? #I haven't called you anything. #Gosh Dave, is that how you deal with other members of the human race?

Oh, BTW, thanks for noticing my avatar.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,15:33)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,15:05)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,08:40)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,08:02)]If you don't like my opinions, tough...

And the converse is true - if you don't like my opinions, tough.

However, I give you a "name" to call me - corporal - a name that I am proud of. Evidently you have nothing to be proud of. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
At EASE, Corporal Bob...

I have many things to be proud of... I just don't feel it necessary to advertise unlike you, Corporal Bob...

I think it's really curious a freedom loving "patriot" such as yourself should be so bothered by someone expressing their opinion, especially since the conversation wasn't directed at you.

If you're so concerned about "service", why don't you ask one of your vocal buddies here what HIS service was? I'm not talking about any amateur radio stuff either, he's only been licensed (like you) a short time. You won't, because you and he believe the same nonsense. At least he sometimes attempts posts of substance, unlike you and your constant talk radio type nattering...

Dave WX7B
I am at ease, Dave. I certainly won't get spun up over your comments. If you really want to know why I want to know, its because I am curious. You should understand that I know various people do various things, some braver than others. I just find it funny that others ask what YOU have done and you skirt the question. Ashamed? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

CT

It's funny that you crawl out of your cave to nip at someone's heels and then crawl back in. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas, anymore! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Pretty lame, stealing uey's lines.

Tell us some more about your service hotshot.

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,15:14)]In your feeble opinion, Dave. #But I have been thinking. #Your post removed two times constitutes a personal attack. #Clean toilets? #Hardly Dave. #And Dave, why do you call me a BOOB? #I haven't called you anything. #Gosh Dave, is that how you deal with other members of the human race?

Oh, BTW, thanks for noticing my avatar.
There are no personal attacks in my post. They are only personal attacks if YOU perceive them to be.

I only asked what you could have done in the service. Note I didn't press YOU, when you didn't answer my question about your time in the service.

I didn't call you a "boob", I said any "boob" could say what you have said. Does the shoe fit?

Quote[/b] ]Gosh Dave, is that how you deal with other members of the human race?


Wow, is the reasonable Corporal Bob emerging? All I've ever seen from you is attacks on politicians or members of this board. This comment is comical...

Quote[/b] ]Oh, BTW, thanks for noticing my avatar.

Contrary to your stereotype about me, I know maybe a little about the military and aircraft. It's my wife's page, but we share the same knowledge.

http://www.transistor.org/personal/pima/pima1.html

Dave WX7B

[K6UEY]

WX7B,
Dave, you are as full of it as a xmas turkey.
I have never whined about some one not getting banned,that's the trick of you and your LITTLE buddy.
I'm not saying any more,if I was to express what is on my mind Glen would have another heart attack and I would be banned. You Liberal Leftist's NEVER could be trusted!!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[KB8VNP]

I have been to both yours and your wife's websites, Dave. #I congratulate you for a well done website. #However, pictures are impressive only to a point.

Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 04 2005,15:40)]WX7B,
Dave, you are as full of it as a xmas turkey.
I have never whined about some one not getting banned,that's the trick of you and your LITTLE buddy.
I'm not saying any more,if I was to express what is on my mind Glen would have another heart attack and I would be banned. You Liberal Leftist's NEVER could be trusted!!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
B. (h)UEY:

Do you REALLY want me to pull an AAO and quote the posts?

I can do that if you want!

B. (h)UEY, the last time you whined about banning was about 4-6 weeks ago! Is your memory that short?
[/QUOTE]You Liberal Leftist's NEVER could be trusted!!! [QUOTE]

What does your post have to do with "liberal leftists"? Or are you channeling the dead spirit of Roy Cohn again, for the umpteenth time?

Stay on message, B. (h)UEY...

Dave WX7B

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,15:48)]I have been to both yours and your wife's websites, Dave. #I congratulate you for a well done website. #However, pictures are impressive only to a point.

Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
A hearty pat on the back for a job well done...

You've served your country well.

How does your service make your opinion worth more than mine?

It doesn't. That's the point.

Dave WX7B

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 04 2005,16:03)]Dave,I also looked at your collections,impressive,but where are the pictures of your stay in Canada, to beat the draft? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Thanks, (h)UEY, but in the 1975 when the Vietnam war (police action) ended, I was 17.

How did someone of your vintage miss Vietnam? You said you spent 8 years in the military but did you ever encounter hostile fire? DaNang? Tet? Khesanh? Cambodia? Dienbienphu? (NO, That would have meant you were...FRENCH!!!)

What did YOU do in the service, (h) UEY?

Dave WX7B

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,16:48)]I have been to both yours and your wife's websites, Dave. I congratulate you for a well done website. However, pictures are impressive only to a point.

Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. Now, what do YOU both have??!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
You are modest too!

I was in Army Reserve 68-74. Spec 4, never awol. Nothing special but I did serve ALL my time.

[K9STH]

Everyone, cut the personal "digs", attacks, etc., like the comment UEY made about Canada and evading the draft. No more!

Anymore of the like and I will shut down this thread and any other one that even has a "hint" of getting "out of hand".

Everyone was behaving for a while, but now things are going back just like they were a couple of months ago. Playtime is over. If someone cannot "play by the rules"

No profanity
No obscenities
No personal attacks

then they are going to be history. Everyone has been warned before, but this is the last time. Either clean up your acts or else go somewhere else. I don't care which you do, but I definitely am "fed up" with the postings by a relative few persons.

Again, I don't want to "hear your side" in any messages, E-Mails, telephone calls, or whatever. Every person who posts on QRZ.com is expected to behave as an adult (and not as an adult in Internet "adult sites"). If you cannot conduct yourself in such a manner, then I definitely suggest that you take a "time out" and reconsider if you wish to participate on QRZ.com or not. The choice is yours.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,14:45)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,22:26)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,14:06)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,20:06)]No, a National Guard member's job is guaranteed by law while he/she is serving overseas. And in a nation of 293,027,571 people (2004 estimate), 1,400 casualties would make no statistical difference in the job figures.

Nice try, Grasshopper. Please go re-read the lesson.

Post Edit: Falling dollar rates against a given currency are not necessarily a true value of either currency, says this article (http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=1394) by a Swedish Ph.D in Economics. That is your homework for this weekend, Grasshopper.
Yo David, Yes about 1500 have died. Yes their Jobs are Guaranteed WHEN THEY COME BACK!! What about the 150,000 that are away from their jobs while fighting over there? I wasn't referring to the Ones that died. I was referring to the Ones "Gone from their Jobs while fighting in Iraq" Who fills their regualr jobs when they are away... OTHER PEOPLE do!
Grasshopper, you must understand statistics.

150,000 out of 293,027,571 is 0.051189722348686434%... in other words, about 5/100 of 1 percent of the population is over there fighting.

That is what is called "statistically insignificant," Grasshopper.
OK, You need to recalculate davie,

Of the 293 million souls in the US, you need to deduct all of the Children and Those that are retired. then divide the 150,00 into that number. Also remember that all the Jobs supposedly gained under the Dubyta watch, many are from Government hiring and in actually, the private sector is down about 750,000 jobs. Your Typical Spin without using all the facts to make your side of the debate seem like you have all the Answers. Typical Dubya way of doing things..

I told you to Quit calling me grasshopper.

Third Time
Let's see... how many times did I have to ask you to stop calling me "davie," Grasshopper?

Okay, the point's been made, I'll drop it... for now.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm), "The civilian labor force was 148.0 million, after seasonal adjustment."

So, that is 0.10135135135135136%... or about one-tenth of one percent of the workforce involved in the war, assuming 150,000 service members. And that number is probably inflated, because a large number of those people are career military, and their job is fighting wars.

It's still statistically insignificant... keep trying new spins... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ Feb. 04 2005,17:47)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,16:48)]I have been to both yours and your wife's websites, Dave. #I congratulate you for a well done website. #However, pictures are impressive only to a point.

Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
You are modest too!

I was in Army Reserve 68-74. Spec 4, never awol. Nothing special but I did serve ALL my time.
I didn't mean to sound like I am bragging; however, that is the way it turned out. #Sometimes when one questions, he receives more data than he wants. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,18:34)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 05 2005,02:28)]Okay, the point's been made, I'll drop it... for now.


It's still statistically insignificant... keep trying new spins...
Good Night David.

You should just let it Go!!
I'm done with it.

No more calling me Grasshopper,
And I'll remember to call you David...
Thanks for stopping the spinning... I was getting dizzy trying to follow your posts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I reserve the right to use "Grasshopper" in a post intended for the general membership, tho, just like K3FT did (God rest his soul). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,17:43)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,18:34)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 05 2005,02:28)]Okay, the point's been made, I'll drop it... for now.


It's still statistically insignificant... keep trying new spins...
Good Night David.

You should just let it Go!!
I'm done with it.

No more calling me Grasshopper,
And I'll remember to call you David...
Thanks for stopping the spinning... I was getting dizzy trying to follow your posts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I reserve the right to use "Grasshopper" in a post intended for the general membership, tho, just like K3FT did (God rest his soul). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You just don't get it do you, AAO? Last word to the end...

Can't you take a hint?

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,18:49)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,17:43)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,18:34)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 05 2005,02:28)]Okay, the point's been made, I'll drop it... for now.


It's still statistically insignificant... keep trying new spins...
Good Night David.

You should just let it Go!!
I'm done with it.

No more calling me Grasshopper,
And I'll remember to call you David...
Thanks for stopping the spinning... I was getting dizzy trying to follow your posts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I reserve the right to use "Grasshopper" in a post intended for the general membership, tho, just like K3FT did (God rest his soul). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You just don't get it do you, AAO? Last word to the end...

Can't you take a hint?
It looks like the lesson of saying your opinion is inconsequential, insignificant and irrelevant is lost on you, Dave. #You were really offended when I labelled your quote as inconsequential. #However, you do the same thing to everyone else's opinion. #You berated RO in the athelete's thread. #You berate AAO whenever you can. #You call UEY names. #Glen asked everyone to act #like an adult. #Evidently, you can't or won't! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,18:05)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,18:49)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,17:43)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,18:34)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 05 2005,02:28)]Okay, the point's been made, I'll drop it... for now.


It's still statistically insignificant... keep trying new spins...
Good Night David.

You should just let it Go!!
I'm done with it.

No more calling me Grasshopper,
And I'll remember to call you David...
Thanks for stopping the spinning... I was getting dizzy trying to follow your posts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I reserve the right to use "Grasshopper" in a post intended for the general membership, tho, just like K3FT did (God rest his soul). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You just don't get it do you, AAO? Last word to the end...

Can't you take a hint?
It looks like the lesson of saying your opinion is inconsequential, insignificant and irrelevant is lost on you, Dave. #You were really offended when I labelled your quote as inconsequential. #However, you do the same thing to everyone else's opinion. #You berated RO in the athelete's thread. #You berate AAO whenever you can. #You call UEY names. #Glen asked everyone to act #like an adult. #Evidently, you can't or won't! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Bob:

You don't get it either...

The moderator mandated silence on this thread, yet you guys are the energizer bunnies...beating the drum...And you, bringing up another thread.

Leave it alone, Bob. If you want to blast me, do it somewhere else...

Dave WX7B

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,19:28)]The moderator mandated silence on this thread, yet you guys are the energizer bunnies...beating the drum...And you, bringing up another thread.
I beg to differ.

What Glen said was:

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Feb. 04 2005,18:16)]Everyone, cut the personal "digs", attacks, etc., like the comment UEY made about Canada and evading the draft. No more!

If he wanted silence, he would have locked the thread. That's a very effective way of "mandating silence" on a thread.

[KB8VNP]

And you spoke against his mandate first, Dave.

And I am not blasting you, if I am, I am sure Glen will blast me!

[W5MEJ]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,17:48)]Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I keep telling myself to stay out of "Rag Chew Central", but sometimes I just can't help myself.

First of all, I respect anyone who has ever served honorably in the military. #I'm retired from the Army myself. #But...my opinion, or the opinion of any other veteran carries no more weight than the opinion of any other citizen. #Sometimes I think it should carry less. #I've been retired about six years now, and I am just starting to really adjust and understand the things that go on here in the "world." Twenty years in the military may be tough in some ways, but it tends to isolate and protect you from the day-to-day problems of the civilian world.

VNP, don't take this the wrong way, as I mean no offense, but your signature has troubled me for a long time. #How do you manage to retire as a Corporal? #I get the feeling from some of your posts that you were wounded or disabled...

When, or in what action did this happen, and did you actually get retired status from it? #How many years did you serve?

Again, I mean no disrespect, and I appreciate your service. #As a retired 11B4PG, I'm just curious.

73
Chuck

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Feb. 04 2005,19:34)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,17:48)]Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I keep telling myself to stay out of "Rag Chew Central", but sometimes I just can't help myself.

First of all, I respect anyone who has ever served honorably in the military. #I'm retired from the Army myself. #But...my opinion, or the opinion of any other veteran carries no more weight than the opinion of any other citizen. #Sometimes I think it should carry less. #I've been retired about six years now, and I am just starting to really adjust and understand the things that go on here in the "world." Twenty years in the military may be tough in some ways, but it tends to isolate and protect you from the day-to-day problems of the civilian world.

VNP, don't take this the wrong way, as I mean no offense, but your signature has troubled me for a long time. #How do you manage to retire as a Corporal? #I get the feeling from some of your posts that you were wounded or disabled...

When, or in what action did this happen, and did you actually get retired status from it? #How many years did you serve?

Again, I mean no disrespect, and I appreciate your service. #As a retired 11B4PG, I'm just curious.

73
Chuck
I retired from the 101st Airborne Division. #Diagnosed in 1976 with a Brain Tumor while still on active duty. #Removal of that tumor resulted in blindness in the right eye, only half the visual field in the left eye, ataxia on both sides and a big hole in my skull. #100% disabled which is why I retired only a corporal.

No offense taken. #I am proud of my service to my country - and thank you for yours! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KB8VNP]

Real funny Dave, delete your post. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,18:49)]Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Feb. 04 2005,19:34)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,17:48)]Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I keep telling myself to stay out of "Rag Chew Central", but sometimes I just can't help myself.

First of all, I respect anyone who has ever served honorably in the military. #I'm retired from the Army myself. #But...my opinion, or the opinion of any other veteran carries no more weight than the opinion of any other citizen. #Sometimes I think it should carry less. #I've been retired about six years now, and I am just starting to really adjust and understand the things that go on here in the "world." Twenty years in the military may be tough in some ways, but it tends to isolate and protect you from the day-to-day problems of the civilian world.

VNP, don't take this the wrong way, as I mean no offense, but your signature has troubled me for a long time. #How do you manage to retire as a Corporal? #I get the feeling from some of your posts that you were wounded or disabled...

When, or in what action did this happen, and did you actually get retired status from it? #How many years did you serve?

Again, I mean no disrespect, and I appreciate your service. #As a retired 11B4PG, I'm just curious.

73
Chuck
I retired from the 101st Airborne Division. #Diagnosed in 1976 with a Brain Tumor while still on active duty. #Removal of that tumor resulted in blindness in the right eye, only half the visual field in the left eye, ataxia on both sides and a big hole in my skull. #100% disabled which is why I retired only a corporal.

No offense taken. #I am proud of my service to my country - and thank you for yours! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Bob:

You have served your country well. You retired due to a disability. Your 100% disability is well deserved as a former member of the armed forces.

Having said that, does your disability give you the right to trash anyone else who disagrees with your position on political matters with you pulling the "I was in the service" card? And question to OTHER person because they didn't "serve"? Did your disability result from military service, and if it did, does THAT make a difference?

It doesn't, Sir.

Dave WX7B

[W5MEJ]

Thanks for filling in the details for me, Bob. #I'm glad you're still here to argue with us!

Airborne!
Chuck

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,20:02)]Having said that, does your disability give you the right to trash anyone else who disagrees with your position on political matters with you pulling the "I was in the service" card? And question to OTHER person because they didn't "serve"? Did your disability result from military service, and if it did, does THAT make a difference?

It doesn't, Sir.

Dave WX7B
I dunno... did LTJG Kerry's service get him any extra respect from his supporters? I distinctly remember the term "war hero" being used on several occasions right here in QRZ-city.

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[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Feb. 04 2005,20:03)]Thanks for filling in the details for me, Bob. #I'm glad you're still here to argue with us!

Airborne!
Chuck
All the way!

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,19:06)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,20:02)]Having said that, does your disability give you the right to trash anyone else who disagrees with your position on political matters with you pulling the "I was in the service" card? And question to OTHER person because they didn't "serve"? Did your disability result from military service, and if it did, does THAT make a difference?

It doesn't, Sir.

Dave WX7B
I dunno... did LTJG Kerry's service get him any extra respect from his supporters? I distinctly remember the term "war hero" being used on several occasions right here in QRZ-city.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unclesam.gif
Go away, AAO.

John Kerry lost the election. We acknowledge that.

John Kerry has nothing to do with this discussion...

Dave WX7B

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,20:02)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,18:49)]Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Feb. 04 2005,19:34)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,17:48)]Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I keep telling myself to stay out of "Rag Chew Central", but sometimes I just can't help myself.

First of all, I respect anyone who has ever served honorably in the military. #I'm retired from the Army myself. #But...my opinion, or the opinion of any other veteran carries no more weight than the opinion of any other citizen. #Sometimes I think it should carry less. #I've been retired about six years now, and I am just starting to really adjust and understand the things that go on here in the "world." Twenty years in the military may be tough in some ways, but it tends to isolate and protect you from the day-to-day problems of the civilian world.

VNP, don't take this the wrong way, as I mean no offense, but your signature has troubled me for a long time. #How do you manage to retire as a Corporal? #I get the feeling from some of your posts that you were wounded or disabled...

When, or in what action did this happen, and did you actually get retired status from it? #How many years did you serve?

Again, I mean no disrespect, and I appreciate your service. #As a retired 11B4PG, I'm just curious.

73
Chuck
I retired from the 101st Airborne Division. #Diagnosed in 1976 with a Brain Tumor while still on active duty. #Removal of that tumor resulted in blindness in the right eye, only half the visual field in the left eye, ataxia on both sides and a big hole in my skull. #100% disabled which is why I retired only a corporal.

No offense taken. #I am proud of my service to my country - and thank you for yours! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Bob:

You have served your country well. You retired due to a disability. Your 100% disability is well deserved as a former member of the armed forces.

Having said that, does your disability give you the right to trash anyone else who disagrees with your position on political matters with you pulling the "I was in the service" card? And question to OTHER person because they didn't "serve"? Did your disability result from military service, and if it did, does THAT make a difference?

It doesn't, Sir.

Dave WX7B
That's not the point. #My opinion, the fact that I am a disabled vet and a dollar will get me a cup of coffee. #The point is and what you don't see, you do the same disservice by blasting every body that doesn't share your opinion. #You seek AAO out constantly. #You constantly ridicule the Commander-in-Chief, you are even making fun of UEY and incurred the wrath of one of the moderators. #You, my friend, are guilty of what you are accusing me of!

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,20:10)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 04 2005,19:06)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,20:02)]Having said that, does your disability give you the right to trash anyone else who disagrees with your position on political matters with you pulling the "I was in the service" card? And question to OTHER person because they didn't "serve"? Did your disability result from military service, and if it did, does THAT make a difference?

It doesn't, Sir.

Dave WX7B
I dunno... did LTJG Kerry's service get him any extra respect from his supporters? I distinctly remember the term "war hero" being used on several occasions right here in QRZ-city.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unclesam.gif
Go away, AAO.

John Kerry lost the election. We acknowledge that.

John Kerry has nothing to do with this discussion...

Dave WX7B
The point is, Kerry's supporters used his veteran ("war hero") status as a reason for people to vote for him.

Yet now you say that a veteran's status does not entitle him to anything special.

Just pointing that out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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[K6UEY]

WX7B,
You could not let it go could you dave,my question about going to Canada was a legitimate question.You refuse to own up to any military involment,and at that time that's what the youth were doing.

You and your LITTLE buddy had to make enough of it to get Glen to jump in,but we have seen you do that before. My bad for not seeing it coming.

That's what the draft age youth was doing at that time.You said you were 17 then you knew damn well what was going on. I remember when I was 17,but I did not go to Canada, instead I enlisted in the Military.

You Liberals seem to be like a carnival,once you have seen one ,you have seen them all. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,19:15)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Feb. 04 2005,20:02)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,18:49)]Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Feb. 04 2005,19:34)]Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 04 2005,17:48)]Unlike you I can detail some of my service for both you and CT. #My military occupational specialty was 11B2P - airborne infantryman and 31L2P - multichannel communication equipment repairman. #I was on a fast track to lead Dave - I have the letters of appreciation and letters of commendation to prove it. #Oh yeah, 101st letterhead, Dave. #They aren't made up. And yes, CT, I am a hotshot. #Now, what do YOU both have??!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I keep telling myself to stay out of "Rag Chew Central", but sometimes I just can't help myself.

First of all, I respect anyone who has ever served honorably in the military. #I'm retired from the Army myself. #But...my opinion, or the opinion of any other veteran carries no more weight than the opinion of any other citizen. #Sometimes I think it should carry less. #I've been retired about six years now, and I am just starting to really adjust and understand the things that go on here in the "world." Twenty years in the military may be tough in some ways, but it tends to isolate and protect you from the day-to-day problems of the civilian world.

VNP, don't take this the wrong way, as I mean no offense, but your signature has troubled me for a long time. #How do you manage to retire as a Corporal? #I get the feeling from some of your posts that you were wounded or disabled...

When, or in what action did this happen, and did you actually get retired status from it? #How many years did you serve?

Again, I mean no disrespect, and I appreciate your service. #As a retired 11B4PG, I'm just curious.

73
Chuck
I retired from the 101st Airborne Division. #Diagnosed in 1976 with a Brain Tumor while still on active duty. #Removal of that tumor resulted in blindness in the right eye, only half the visual field in the left eye, ataxia on both sides and a big hole in my skull. #100% disabled which is why I retired only a corporal.

No offense taken. #I am proud of my service to my country - and thank you for yours! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Bob:

You have served your country well. You retired due to a disability. Your 100% disability is well deserved as a former member of the armed forces.

Having said that, does your disability give you the right to trash anyone else who disagrees with your position on political matters with you pulling the "I was in the service" card? And question to OTHER person because they didn't "serve"? Did your disability result from military service, and if it did, does THAT make a difference?

It doesn't, Sir.

Dave WX7B
That's not the point. #My opinion, the fact that I am a disabled vet and a dollar will get me a cup of coffee. #The point is and what you don't see, you do the same disservice by blasting every body that doesn't share your opinion. #You seek AAO out constantly. #You constantly ridicule the Commander-in-Chief, you are even making fun of UEY and incurred the wrath of one of the moderators. #You, my friend, are guilty of what you are accusing me of!
This is going to have to go into the agree to disagree category.

I think Bush is a disgrace to this country. I'm not alone. I'm not going to stop saying so, because you don't approve. Sorry, but that's life.

UEY and AAO are NOT victims and can defend themselves. They don't need you trailing me around with your accusations. AAO with his nearly 6000 posts obviously has the time on his hands to defend himself.

Bob, don't rewrite history. The comment by the moderator was a generally directed comment, not to me personally. Since you are part of the thread, the comment was directed at you also.

Dave WX7B

[K6UEY]

The only reason GOD created Democrats was to set an example of what can happen if you are not paying attention!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 05 2005,20:10)]Well, At least God Created Democrats....
I wonder then, who or What created republicans??
Certainly couldn't have been God with all the evil their Leaders and their Party do...
Saint Lucifer perhaps??
Quoting to preserve the above comments only. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB8VNP]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 05 2005,20:10)]Well, At least God Created Democrats....
I wonder then, who or What created republicans?? #
Certainly couldn't have been God with all the evil their Leaders and their Party do...
Saint Lucifer perhaps??
I surely don't think Lucifer was a saint. #What book are you getting that erroneous information from? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 05 2005,20:15)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 06 2005,04:12)]Quoting to preserve the above comments only.
Certainly Good of You...
To be honest, you've been known to delete or edit some posts, and I wanted that one preserved.

[K6UEY]

KB8VNP,
Bob,he is a Kerry supporter,obviuosly none of them can get anythig right!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Just read some of the previous posting's you will see the trend!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[K6UEY]

AAO,
David I notice daves LITTLE buddy sure worries about your post count,why is that ?? Is he beginning to become paranoid about the number of post's and feeling inferior ?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 05 2005,21:00)]AAO,
David I notice daves LITTLE buddy sure worries about your post count,why is that ?? Is he beginning to become paranoid about the number of post's and feeling inferior ?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I'm just glad someone is watching it, cause I sure ain't. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K6UEY]

AAO,
David, I have not read the very FINE print,is there a prize for the post count,if so how many to qualify?? What is the time frame or is that a factor?
Enquiring minds want to know!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[K6UEY]

AAO,
David ,there is one to capture,it is the first time I have seen WK admit to being WRONG Usually he gives a long reason for his denial!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Feb. 04 2005,19:34)][quote=KB8VNP,Feb. 04 2005,17:48]But...my opinion, or the opinion of any other veteran carries no more weight than the opinion of any other citizen....

73
Chuck
Of all the postings on this thread so far, this one is the only one I can say "Amen" to.

I have served my country in the US Navy and was honorably discharge as a Petty Officer 1st Class. That's an equilvelant to a Staff Sargent in the Army, and Marine Corps, and a Technical Sargent in the Air Force. I am also 100% disabled vet, active in the Disabled American Veterans (DAV). I am also Conservative politically. But I feel my opinions aren't any more "special" than anyone else's. Nope, I don't subscribe to WX7B's or N6WK's views, but, by golly, I would be the FIRST to defend their right to express them.

There isn't NOTHING special about me. I'm just an ordinary Amateur, who just chose to serve my country.That's all.

Chuck, I thought that was an excellant post soldier... carry on!

[K6UEY]

WK,
I find if I don't make the mistakes in the first place I don't have to go back and correct them. I bet even you could make less mistakes if you were to pay attention.

TRY IT,You might like it, MIKEY LIKES IT!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[K6UEY]

N6WK,
Well Gordon there's your problem,by your own admission you pay attention to the WRONG people,that's why you make so many mistakes.
Unless you are a Salmon,try swimming down stream.
GOOD NIGHT GORDON!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # # # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[K6UEY]

N6WK,
Gordon,I think we covered this once before,but you seem to have a short memory.I sure as hell am not buttering up to you.
I don't care to associate with people of your particular character traits,I don't like you, I don't trust you, so AGAIN I don't think that is too much for you to remember!!
What the Hell is this world coming to,try to be civil and this is the kind of crap you get back!!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
I would prefer to be bitten by the dog!!
At least the DOG shows common sense!!