QRZ.COM, THE LAND OF HAM RADIO [Archive]

N6WK

02-01-2005, 03:23 AM

Not so long ago in A Place Not so far Away there was a land named Ham radio. Inside this land was a Lovely city named QRZ.com. Qrz.com was a wonderful place where new Hams came by the droves to meet new friends and ask the Questions that all new hams do. Life was good and everyone was happy. Then one day, a troll took up residence under the bridge leading into QRZ.COM. Things started to change.
On the first day of the Troll’s new home, a young boy by the name of Johnny came up the road to QRZ.com, but when he started to cross the bridge, he heard the Troll bellow out “Who goes there?” Little Johnny answered, it is me little Johnny and I want to get into QRZ.com to ask for some help with some mean Hams that were down on 75 meters.
The Troll replied, "do you have an amateur license Johnny?” Why yes I do answered Johnny, I have a NEW Extra class license that I just received last month from the FCC.
Well, Said the Troll, those guys down on 75 are Old Timers. They can call you names if they want to. Why don’t you just write “Cancel” across that Extra Lite class license that you have and send it back to the FCC? That will show those guys down on 75!

Well, Little Johnny was rejected, so he turned around and left the city of QRZ.COM and soon left the land of ham radio. He figured that all hams were mean and there was not to be any enjoyment in ham Radio.

A few days later, Another young ham came up the road to enter QRZ.COM, but when he started to Cross the bridge to enter the great city, A Voice again Bellowed from underneath the Bridge “Who Goes There?” asked the Troll?
My name is Billy, said the new ham.
The Troll asked "why are you trying to get into the city of QRZ.COM" ?

Well Mr. Troll, I just received my new No Code Tech license and I wanted to ask some of the other hams in the City some Antenna Questions replied Billy.
Well replied the Troll, You have an NCT, so you don’t know Code huh Billy; well you’re not a real ham. You might as well just tear that license up because no ham is ever going to talk to you. You are Not worthy as you don’t know code.

Young Billy, saddened, turned and left the gates of QRZ.COM never to return. He also left the Land Of Ham radio as the troll had been so mean to him.

Just a short time later, another young Ham found his way to the bridge leading to QRZ.COM; He too started to cross the bridge into the great city when again the voice from under the bridge bellowed out, who dares enter the City of QRZ.com?
The new Young ham stated, my name is Tommy and I want to meet new friends in this great city. "Do you have a Ham radio License"? Asked the Troll
Yes I do said Tommy; I just got it last Month. I want to talk to other Hams and make new friends in the city. I want to find out the best way to work DX.
Hmmm.. Snorted the troll, just got your License last month huh, you must be the result of the new Dummying down of the test for ham radio. You’ll never be a real Ham Operator as you didn’t take your test in front of the FCC examiner at the FCC office. You don't want to work DX, you just want to shoot skip. I have been a ham for almost 50 years and I know everything. There is No place here for you.
Go away Kid, us Old Timers don’t want you around. Little Tommy, rejected, turned and he too left the great City of QRZ.Com and the land of ham Radio.

It wasn’t long before not one new ham tried to enter the great city of QRZ.COM. Word had gotten out that there was a very mean old Troll living there and he didn’t like new people. Soon the great city became dark and was no longer a happy place.
No new hams tried to enter the City and the Troll was Happy!

Then one day, a dark Stranger wearing a hooded cape, came to the bridge. The troll hollered, “Who dares cross my bridge”?
The Stranger replied, it is not important who I am, for I am here to take you away. You are harming this great city and you are hurting the Land of ham radio. The stranger took the troll by the Arm and led him away from the city of QRZ.COM and led him out of the Land of Ham radio, banishing him forever.
Soon the City of QRZ.COM came to life again. New Hams lined up to enter the great city and Join all the other hams. They got to ask their questions and found that the other hams were more then willing to help. QRZ.COM was Happy again.
QRZ.COM was again restored to being the Wonderful place it had been before the Troll arrived.

Morale; Be nice to the New guys and girls. they are the Future of Amateur radio!

Long Live QRZ.COM. It is a Wonderful Place.

K5USS

02-01-2005, 03:31 AM

I hope the "Hooded One" shows up soon...The "Troll(s)" have already ran off a few I know...

When I first came to this site, which was before I got my ticket, I was welcomed and encouraged...Now I come in here to find "doom and gloom"...

Great post, I hope some read it twice.

Charlie
K5USS

KA9VQF

02-01-2005, 03:39 AM

Nice story, reminds me of one about a dragon who sat on his vast hoard of knowledge and every time a newly licensed or even not as knowledgeable knight errant/older ham should ask the more venerable among us here on QRZ a question he would flame them saying RDFM punk!

wd0ct

02-01-2005, 03:59 AM

Brilliant! Thanks Gordon.

w3sy

02-01-2005, 04:04 AM

Did the troll have one of those silly, high pitched Welsh accents?

Haw!

wd5kca

02-01-2005, 04:12 AM

I followed most of that until this:
"Long Live QRZ.COM. It is a Wonderful Place."

It won't be a wonderful place as long as the crap keeps flowing....from both sides of this silly code/dumbing down/yer a lid/I am better than you debate.

wd5kca

02-01-2005, 04:14 AM

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Jan. 31 2005,21:04)]Did the troll have one of those silly, high pitched Welsh accents?

Haw!
You trivialize the discussion?

KC9ANQ

02-01-2005, 04:30 AM

I have been here since I was one of those NCT. You are indeed correct. Try typing HAM without getting chastised; try asking about antennas without getting "GO READ A BOOK" try asking how to modify your HF rig without someone saying " YOU CANNOT MODIFY IT WE KNOW YOU JUST WANT TO USE IT ON 11 METER!!"

OR the best one I have seen on here is a person typing this Quote[/b] ]Has the lack of imagination and curiosity gotten to the dramatically low level with the new generation, that they must Poll to come up with new subject matter??

And this same person loves to belittle those who do ask questions,,,, no wonder the topics are not to his liking, he cannot belittle someone if they don’t ask the questions.

I have said it before and I will stick to it, QRZ is a GOOD OLE BOY CLUB or better known as the G.O.B.C. and if your not in that club the management will ban you, yes the moderators are part of the G.O.B.C. because some topics are closed or you get warned then others are left open because they are attacking a NCT or a new extra licensee but that is ok and the topics are similar in nature. It has nothing to do with the owner of the forum owns this so there is "NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH" it is just the "SELECTIVE MODERATING" that really sucks because we aren’t part of the G.O.B.C.

If I were to use call signs of the said G.O.B.C. then I WOULD BE ACCUSED OF A "personal attack" UNLESS of course it was a new person here.

I ask you to save this post and watch the G.O.B.C. attack with full vengeance you will see for yourself.

I also did a spell check for that part of the G.O.B.C. but I am sure there are still mistakes that will be caught,,,,,,, grammar or spelling. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

If we MUST read the books to gain knowledge and not ask the questions on the QRZ forum why have the forum then?

Fun Hobby, is it not? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w3sy

02-01-2005, 04:41 AM

KC9ANQ -

Dood... don't lump the "HAM" disease with all that other Newbie Hatin'. Next, you'll tell English teachers not to correct a kid who says "I ain't got none." It's not hatin' -- it's EDUMACATIN'!

Look, I lived through the "QSL means 'yes' or 'I agree' " plague that STILL hasn't been fully eradicated after all these years since 1970's newbies spawned it. I'm not going to sit back this time while HAM leeches its way into the radio amateur's lexicon.

Sometimes mentoring includes correcting a misuse of terms. It's not personal.

Touchy, touchy. Chill out.

w3sy

02-01-2005, 04:53 AM

Did the troll call the American hams "Nazis?"

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

w3sy

02-01-2005, 04:58 AM

Naw.... I know who you are describing. I'm just razzing ANOTHER troll who crawls out from under the woodwork now and then after the corner pub closes.

w3sy

02-01-2005, 05:03 AM

Bill ANQ -- Got the private message and the picture file. It's hilarious. ONE of us has to post it. It would end ALL CW vs no CW, and Democrat vs Republican arguments....

KC9ANQ

02-01-2005, 05:04 AM

I do not have the "guts" to post it on here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

w3sy

02-01-2005, 05:06 AM

I'm thinking about putting it on my QRZ bio page....

KA9VQF

02-01-2005, 05:11 AM

Post it at #@*&QRZ.com or hamsexy maybe?
Supposedly they will let you post anything.

KC0LFV

02-01-2005, 05:28 AM

But DO let us know where you post it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

w3sy

02-01-2005, 07:28 AM

Wait a minute.... MLK was on Different Strokes? And he was a ham?? You're LOSIN' me Orv....

w3sy

02-01-2005, 04:58 PM

MLK was the troll? Was he a troll before or AFTER he was on "Different Strokes?" Did MLK use the expression "DY-NO-MIIIIITE!" in the "I have a dream" speech?? Were his last words, "Whatchootalkinabout, Willis?"

I still don't "get" it.

N8CPA

02-01-2005, 05:08 PM

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Feb. 01 2005,00:41)]KC9ANQ -

Dood... don't lump the "HAM" disease with all that other Newbie Hatin'. Next, you'll tell English teachers not to correct a kid who says "I ain't got none." It's not hatin' -- it's EDUMACATIN'!

Look, I lived through the "QSL means 'yes' or 'I agree' " plague that STILL hasn't been fully eradicated after all these years since 1970's newbies spawned it. I'm not going to sit back this time while HAM leeches its way into the radio amateur's lexicon.

Sometimes mentoring includes correcting a misuse of terms. It's not personal.

Touchy, touchy. Chill out.
You tell em, Steve! And might I add, "PERSONAL" IS NOT A SYNONYM FOR "NAME!" It isn't even a noun. Better to learn it here than on the air.

Oh, no! Someone's going to call me a "troll," or "old fart." It's a good thing moss and crust covered hunched backs like mine don't care what I get called.

w3sy

02-01-2005, 05:24 PM

I'd rather hear "handle" be used for "name" than (ugh) "PERSONAL." I know "handle" has a different meaning on CB, but hams spoke of handles long before Class D CB came along. NAME is always your best bet, in any case.

"Personal" weaseled its way into ham radio in the early 1990's, I think. Luckily, it never really caught on like the misuse of "QSL."

I sincerely doubt MLK ever said, "Personal here is Martin."

N8CPA

02-01-2005, 05:34 PM

"Handle" actually dates back to LL telegraphy. The part of a message containing the original operator ID was called a "handle code." That terminology was still used on LMOS circuits among baby Bells when I left the telco 11 years ago. It probaly still is on whatever replaced LMOS.

WF7I

02-01-2005, 06:03 PM

I think there is some truth in the story. A few trolls have definitely set up shop on QRZ and made a pretty hostile environment for newcomers. Occassionally, a moderator will even back up a troll on one or two points.

I think if the moderators tire of it, they will tell the offenders to knock it off, and eventually ban them if things deteriorate too far. And of course Fred can always lower the hammer if he wants to. Apparently, not enough people have complained yet (probably the newcomers just go away and don't bother saying anything -- they feel intimidated, possibly stupid, ashamed, etc).

K7JBQ

02-01-2005, 06:13 PM

Quote[/b] (WF7I @ Feb. 01 2005,11:03)]#Occassionally, a moderator will even back up a troll on one or two points. #
Let me clear something up.

I have never seen a moderator 'back up' anyone, troll or otherwise. That's not our job.
We are forced to act if someone personally attacks another poster, again, troll or not. That has nothing to do with our own 'take' on any issue.

But yes, when they go too far, we indeed advise them to 'knock it off.' Most, repeat most, get the hint.

73,
Bill, K7JBQ
One of the QRZ.com moderators

w2wtf

02-01-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Jan. 31 2005,21:53)]Did the troll call the American hams "Nazis?"
After that comment its in his best interest that he remain on the other side of the pond...

K9STH

02-01-2005, 06:23 PM

CPA:

"Handle", meaning one's name, actually dates back to at least the 1830s where it was used by the "cowboys, cowpunchers, etc." of the southwest. Just like the telegraphy and then the amateur radio operators "stole" it from them, they probably "stole" it from some other group.

Glen, K9STH

KC0KBH

02-01-2005, 09:35 PM

Am I the hooded one? My old avatar was a hooded person.

kc2kde

02-01-2005, 11:25 PM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 31 2005,21:45)]It is a Wonderful Place. #
There just happen to be some here that think it is "THEIR" personal area and they tend to want to put people (especially new people) down. #

Gordon
N6WK
***GASP***

I sense some agreement between us! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

K3PZ

02-02-2005, 12:21 AM

Quote[/b] (W9NGC @ Feb. 01 2005,16:14)]Quote[/b] ]A few trolls have definitely set up shop on QRZ

"Troll" is probably the wrong word for what
the original post referred to. "Schoolyard
bully" would probably be a better analogy.
Petty tyrant is actually another good description http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Paul
K3PZ

gw4rcm

02-02-2005, 12:43 AM

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Jan. 31 2005,21:04)]Did the troll have one of those silly, high pitched Welsh accents?

Haw!
Sy
You must have a super duper computer, that can tell a man's accent, by his posts.
Regarding my thread on American neo Nazi's, you've spun that one to your liking haven't you.?
The thread is still there for you to check your facts.
I'll remind you, I said that "some" posters on Qrz must be,neo cons/neo nazis, going by their posts.On reflection, i'll withdraw the Nazi word,and replace it with racist bigots, and again i'll stress the word "some".
Will that satisfy your delicate soul.
I also,for your information do not use the corner pub.

Foy
"quote" It is in his best interest to remain on the other side of the pond "unquote

I do hope that is not a threat , people get banned for
threatning behaviour.Or should I be worried about my health if I visit the States.?

BTW SY your Avatar still reminds me of a Village People groupie, Knowing how you like to maintain an image on this website, I'd change it again.

NWK, nice post.It says everything.

RCM

w2wtf

02-02-2005, 01:02 AM

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Feb. 01 2005,17:43)]It is in his best interest to remain on the other side of the pond
Just friendly advice coming from observations after you called several people Nazis. Your not worth my time to make threats against.

But according to you anyone who stands up for themself, stands by what they believe in, stands up for thier rights and expects the laws of the land to be followed in your twisted way of thinking in your little leftist mind is a nazi, right?

w3sy

02-02-2005, 01:30 AM

From GW4RCM:

Quote[/b] ]Waaaaaahhh.... waaaaaaahhh... waaaaaaahhh! Blubber... blubber.... WAAAAAAAAAAH! Oh booo hooooo! BOOOO HOOOOOO! WAAAAAAAAH!!! snff snff Waaaaah!!!

Well said, matey!

N7AAO

02-02-2005, 01:34 AM

Did anyone besides me notice that the person complaining about other trolls has been seen to say:

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Dec. 22 2004,09:09)]Trolling is so Much Fun.
So many take the Bite http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

(It's the first post in this thread (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=17;t=78207;st=110), for those who want to see for themselves)

Now, who is the troll, Gordon?

KL7FZ

02-02-2005, 07:41 AM

Aw Phooey!
Re the cute moralistic story....
Let's start with the New Hams. Where is the drive, the tenacity, the will to overcome to, do something they really like? They all just walked away saddened?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
OH sure! What happened the last time you said NO to a young person? They either ignored you all together or did what they wanted behind your back.
Give me a break. Where is the will to survive. To best the opponent? To beat the OF at his own game?
Your little newbies were whipped before they began. They were whipped by themselves.

#And what a terrible old troll. Let's see. He spent years and years studying bridge building. Got a good education so the bridges he built were safe and would last. It took years and years to build it and perfect it. More time to keep it up and keep it working.
And he JUST let himself get lead away by the arm without a fight from under a nice cozy bridge where he was in control. What a wuss. That ain't no troll.
#This whole little parable was filled with characters who had no gumption. No willingness to pull themselves up and overcome.
#Sure ain't your typical American attitude.
#
#Boo and they run away. Wear a funny cape and hood and get led away.
#I would rip that silly little hood off that character and punch him in the face.
And as for the little travelers...I would make all those sniveling little weenies march right back to a good military school and put some spine in those weak bodies and minds.

#Poor little babies.....all.

#Phooey!!

#Just try to get over my bridge. Go ahead....just try it.
#It is the Sam Morse Memorial Bridge.
You want to cross the bridge...PAY THE TOLL. err.....TROLL.
#The price is a little education and effort!

#KL7FZ

KG4CGC

02-02-2005, 08:55 AM

Ask'eth not for whom the bell trolls...

K6UEY

02-02-2005, 09:28 AM

KL7FZ,
KUDOS!!! Steve,nice to see some one with the intestinal fortitude to stand up and let the spinless wimps know what the REAL world is like.
If they wanted to be nurtured and coddled they should stay home with mommy,or find a wife who is willing to put up with them.
The author must have worked hard and taxed his imagination to come up with such a pessimistic story of how the little babies are treated in his world.Ironic I just heard today"pessimism is a total misuse of the imagination" Author UNK.
GGOD JOB well done Steve!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KG4CGC

02-02-2005, 09:39 AM

I just wanted to mention socialism.
At an elementary school in New Hampshire, the teachers and administrative staff did not want to hold the yearly spelling bee because there could only be one winner.
The parents were outraged and the spelling bee is now on. Wish I had more details but that's the whole story in a nutshell.

K6UEY

02-02-2005, 10:17 AM

KG4CGC,
Charles, I don't see how that could be possible,I heard it from a knowledgeable source on QRZ that Socialism was stopped in the 1950's.Of course it is possible no one bothered to tell the American Socialist Party that they had been stopped!!!
I am sure the school board will examine the problem and come up with an answer:
Awards will be presented to:
) The top male speller
) The top female speller
)The top Uni-sex Speller
) The top speller Bi-sexual
)The best mediocre speller,Male
)The top mediocre speller,female
)The top mediocre speller- Uni-sex
)The top mediocre Bi-Sexual Speller
)The top Caucasian speller
)The top African Speller
) The top Asian Speller
ETC....
Just because they can spell Better and are Smarter and more mature and are older does not mean they are better than you!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KG4CGC

02-02-2005, 10:28 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Too funny!

[on edit] I'm a good speeler too!

N8CPA

02-02-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Feb. 01 2005,14:23)]CPA:

"Handle", meaning one's name, actually dates back to at least the 1830s where it was used by the "cowboys, cowpunchers, etc." of the southwest. #Just like the telegraphy and then the amateur radio operators "stole" it from them, they probably "stole" it from some other group.

Glen, K9STH
Entirely possible. Etymology, the how, why, and whence of sounds applied to meanings, is a fascinating linguistic subfield. But, like most such fields, it can be full of red herrings and dead ends. Ocham's Razor does not always apply.

N7AAO

02-02-2005, 01:37 PM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 01 2005,21:57)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 02 2005,02:34)]Did anyone besides me notice that the person complaining about other trolls has been seen to say:

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Dec. 22 2004,09:09)]Trolling is so Much Fun.
So many take the Bite http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Now, who is the troll, Gordon?

< SIGH >
Well David, I take OFFENSE to your implication. Second, that Post is NOT the first in that Thread, I think it was on page 12, but hey you're used to being wrong aren't you?
Next;
A Troll and trolling are two Different things.
Look it up.
Trolling is a verb, used to describe throwing out a lure for Fishing, as was the indication from my post you so quoted.
Being a TROLL (Noun) is a completely different Character.
I knew that when I wrote the little story, that someone or Someones would try to belittle me for it. You have just proved me right one more time. It is so sad that you resort to this sort of thing! I am trying to make QRZ.COM a Better place and you continue to try and Drag it down. Will you ever Quit??
You are once again proving that the TROLLS still abound here at QRZ.COM.

So to answer your Question David, in this case, as far as your last post, YOU ARE THE TROLL . However, You may be a Nuisance but, you are NOT the Troll in the Story.
The Story was About a TROLL not trolling.
My god you are a sad case sometimes. I actually feel sorry for you just a bit. Now, Please go Harrass someone else.
I just worked a 12 hour day and I'm tired, so if I seem Short to you because of your Unneeded comments, I apoligize.
You really need to read before you write and hit the Enter key.

Gordon
N6WK
Oops, sorry, I meant to say that it was the first post on page 12, which it is.

However, that does not change the fact that you said you were trolling... now, what would a person who trolls be called around here? A troll, perhaps?

Answer honestly... is the term "troll" not in common usage on this forum, and is it not used to define "someone who trolls"?

Keep trying to spin your earlier statements with attacks on me instead of a real answer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

W8EFA

02-02-2005, 03:00 PM

You N7AAO are the troll. The distinction is a troll starts a troll thread - that would be you numerous times. Can you find a troll thread started by WK? I can find numerous ones by you. You are the Troll

W5HTW

02-02-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 02 2005,03:17)]KG4CGC,
Charles, I don't see how that could be possible,I heard it from a knowledgeable source on QRZ that Socialism was stopped in the 1950's.Of course it is possible no one bothered to tell the American Socialist Party that they had been stopped!!!
I am sure the school board will examine the problem and come up with an answer:
Awards will be presented to:
) The top male speller
) The top female speller
)The top Uni-sex Speller
) The top speller Bi-sexual
)The best mediocre speller,Male
)The top mediocre speller,female
)The top mediocre speller- Uni-sex
)The top mediocre Bi-Sexual Speller
)The top Caucasian speller
)The top African Speller
) The top Asian Speller
ETC....
Just because they can spell Better and are Smarter and more mature and are older does not mean they are better than you!! :p
Actually, it's much easier than that.

The new process is:

1. Supreme Master of spelling. Correctly spelled 25 of 25 words. Wins blue ribbon.

2. Nearly-Master of spelling. Correctly spelled 20 of 25 words. Wins light-sky blue ribbon.

3. Above-Average Master of spelling. Correctly spelled 15 of 25 words. Wins ribbon that looks blue in bright light.

4. Doing Very Well Master of spellilng. Correctly spelled 8 of 25 words. Wins ribbon with blue pin attached.

5. Most-Improved Master of spelling. Last year spelled one out of 25 words correctly. This year has doubled that score. Wins white ribbon and blue felt-tip pen, a DIY blue ribbon.

6. Rapidly Improving Master of spelling. Wins photo of ribbon. Photo is black and white, but he/she is told the ribbon is blue.

7. "Emerging" Future Master of spelling. Recognized a few of the words in the list, like "Dog," "Cat" and "McDonald's." Plans to learn to spell them next year, in freshman year of college. B&W photo of ribbon is cropped, and someone wrote on it "blue." He can't spell it but thinks it qualifies.

All of those who did not qualify in Class One through Six, above, fall into Class Seven. He can't *spell" "B" but now he are IN one.

All are promoted.

Ed

K7JBQ

02-02-2005, 04:50 PM

What I find amazing is this:

The one word I've never seen misspelled hereabouts is "troll."

The Brothers Grimm would be proud.

73,
Bill

N7AAO

02-02-2005, 04:51 PM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 02 2005,08:57)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 02 2005,14:37)]Answer honestly... is the term "troll" not in common usage on this forum, and is it not used to define "someone who trolls"?

Keep trying to spin your earlier statements with attacks on me instead of a real answer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You are NOT going to suck me into an Argument.
I know how you like to Argue, and there is NEVER a winner with you.
Please go to a different site and Harass someone.
Oh, so you cannot answer? Perhaps because you know that I am right, but can't admit it?

I'll count that one as a victory for the right side of things. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

K7JBQ

02-02-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 02 2005,10:08)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 02 2005,17:51)]You are NOT going to suck me into an Argument.
I know how you like to Argue, and there is NEVER a winner with you.
Please go to a different site and Harass someone.
Oh, so you cannot answer? Perhaps because you know that I am right, but can't admit it?

I'll count that one as a victory for the right side of things. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Please yourself David.
I already said "I will not Argue with you about it."[/QUOTE]
And please, gentlemen, let that be the end of that.

73,
Bill, K7JBQ
One of the QRZ.com moderators

w3sy

02-02-2005, 05:36 PM

...What...??

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

w3sy

02-02-2005, 06:12 PM

NGC dood.... Hey, Whose face is in your photo? Can't place it.

KC9ECI

02-02-2005, 08:49 PM

Kid looks like he's having fun though.

w2wtf

02-02-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Feb. 02 2005,13:49)]Kid looks like he's having fun though.
And thats all that really matters.

K6UEY

02-02-2005, 08:55 PM

W3SY,
NOW YOU DID IT STEVE, It looks like you have angered the GOD's!!

--------------------------------------------------------------------
The main difference between a cat and a LIE is, that
a Cat has only 9 lives. # # #MARK TWAIN

w3sy

02-02-2005, 11:00 PM

It's NOT in bad taste, Gord....

Just one of QRZ's own, from across the pond, hurrying down to the pub to be with his lads. (chuckle)

Quote[/b] ]This photo and the modification falls into the personal attack category, plus it is in bad taste if left unmodified. #Lose, lose lose…........One does not become more important thru belittling others! # # # # # # # # #
I deleted this inappropriate photo/caption.

Terry, K7FE,
One of the QRZ Moderators

kj5t

02-02-2005, 11:37 PM

Thanks WK for the story, I found it very true. What we say on the web can mean so very much, prospective hams and new hams alike come to this forum. Lets me kind, not jerks.

SY, I will agree with WK.. the picture is bad taste.. its not funny.. or alteast I did not laugh.. I found it to be cruel...

K6UEY

02-02-2005, 11:57 PM

W3SY,
Just to keep it balanced Steve, I thought it to be quite original and very funny. The only bad thing I could see was I didn't think of it !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

#" The young man who has not wept is a savage,and the old man who will not laugh is a FOOL !" GEO. SANTAYANA

KL7FZ

02-03-2005, 02:21 AM

Sequel:

The troll was gone. The hooded figure carried him away. All the new hams flooded into the city. Not long after, the QRM was intense. Then the power went off. The city was dark. Nothing worked. And never did again. After all, the newbies did not know the basics. They did not know how to repair or maintain their equipment. And they did not even know how to kluge together a simple transmitter or the code to call for help.
They fell into chaos. They ate their young and then each other.
#THE END.

.

KL7FZ

02-03-2005, 02:47 AM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 02 2005,19:35)]And just who was the hooded Stranger??

The Newbies actually did know how to save the City. #The lights went back on ( as they had their own Solar powered Power Supplies with Battery Backups) and the radios were on the air with lots of SSB, AM, PSK31, Cw and SSTV. #They shocked the Old Timers with all of their Knowledge, and the Fact that the newbies could actually fix the computers owned by the old timers, as they were so old, they didn't even know what electricity was. #Heck Most of the Old timers had licenses but Didn't even have stations that could go in the Air!
The newbies SAVED #Amateur radio Once again!! #The problem had been that the old Timers and the Troll would never give them a Chance to prove themselves.
Now that is the real Ending.

( Oh BTW, #You would never have been able to "Rip The Hood Off the Stranger" and "Smack him in the face" if You Knew who he was. )

Gordon
And then he woke up. It was all a dream. The impossible dream.

#And the horror begins again.

#KL7FZ

w4rot

02-03-2005, 02:47 AM

As with most good stories...a hero and a villian.
But with the best stories, the hero offers something to the villian and villian offers something to the hero.
Figuring out which gained the most...ahhh there's the rub.
w4rot

k6pme

02-03-2005, 03:01 AM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 02 2005,19:51)]Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Feb. 03 2005,03:47)]And then he woke up. It was all a dream. The impossible dream.

#And the horror begins again.
Well, Perhaps, but If all the Infighting could STOP, #It would just make QRZ that much better. I tried and I will continue to try!
Sorry some of you like the fighting Better.

Gordon
Some people just need to be sent to thier room on occasion.

ai4ep

02-03-2005, 03:15 AM

Yep///back in the OLD days ---being " sent to your room " was a form of PUNISHMENT.

not so any more

These days, kids have most of their entertainment systems IN their bedroom...tv / computer / telephone / cb ~ ham radio / play station ~ etc. So they have plenty to do and have FUN with while being " confined " to their room. The punishment is gone...unless you remove all the toys mentioned above first.

k6pme

02-03-2005, 03:20 AM

Excellent point.

An hour or two with the nose in the corner then.

K6UEY

02-03-2005, 03:24 AM

And when the story was over and everyone was happy again they all finished their cookies and milk and laid their heads down for their afternoon nap. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

k6pme

02-03-2005, 03:29 AM

Well, some do refer this as the playground. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KC9ANQ

02-03-2005, 03:39 AM

OK SY what did I miss? what picture? where at?

K6UEY

02-03-2005, 03:56 AM

KC9ANQ,
It would appear that when some of the children awoke from their nap they refused to go to recess until those naughty pictures were removed. They held their breath and started to turn blue until they got their way,so the pictures were removed.Then the Kindergarten could return to it's normal routine. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

W5HTW

02-03-2005, 04:05 AM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 02 2005,18:32)]Quote[/b] (KD5OWO @ Feb. 03 2005,00:37)]Thanks WK for the story, I found it very true. What we say on the web can mean so very much, prospective hams and new hams alike come to this forum. Lets be kind, not jerks.

SY, I will agree with WK.. the picture is bad taste.. its not funny.. or alteast I did not laugh.. I found it to be cruel...
Thanks Steve. I appreciate your reply!

Being Nice certainly would be the right approach to new hams be they Young or Old. I can see why many would leave here due to all the Insults and infighting.
I have already been contacted by a few ( because of the Story I posted) that no longer Post here due to the nasty verbal abuse they received when they joined up and started posting.

Have you Noticed there are only a couple that are trying to flame me because of the story? Almost everyone else understands the hidden meaning in it.
73,

gordon
Darned good thing this isn't ham radio, huh?

And too bad some of them think it is. They are poorly mistaken.

They should read enough here, before quitting, to learn this is the cotton pickin' Internet, and it has diddly-squat to do with ham radio. Except we talk ABOUT ham radio. Well, sometimes! Sometimes we tell Welsh or Alabama jokes.

HEY! Newbies!! This AIN'T ham radio!

OK. The newbies restored the computers for the OFs, and even set up wireless-fi (what IS "fi"??) and provided free internet access. They programmed all the old computers, and received profuse thanks from the OTs. They tried to teach the OTs how to set up an interrupt, or configure a serial port, but the OTs had difficulty understanding.

The the phone lines failed. The wi-fi couldn't find an outlet. The OTs fired up the radios. Those radios hadn't been used in years, since no one really used radio anymore; they just used computers and the internet in ham radio. The OTs swapped a few tubes, replaced an electrolytic or so, and a few resistors, did some tweaking, and lo and behold, there was RADIO. They got on the air and talked around the world, while the newbies tried different programs and protocols, and switched ports, and reformatted hard drives, and inserted DVDs and CDs and floppies. Meanwhile the OTs were working DX and handling traffic, and having lots of fun with RADIO.

Fade to gray. Pan across the newbies and their computer workstations, and the wi-fi that doesn't go anywhere. Pan around the room to the OT site, where the Drakes and Collins and Johnsons and Hallicrafters and Nationals are on the air and sounding great.

Fade to black. Run credits. Radio = 50, Computers = zero.

THE END

W5HTW

02-03-2005, 04:08 AM

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Feb. 02 2005,20:15)]Yep///back in the OLD days ---being " sent to your room " was a form of PUNISHMENT.

not so any more

These days, kids have most of their entertainment systems IN their bedroom...tv / computer / telephone / cb ~ ham radio / play station ~ etc. So they have plenty to do and have FUN with while being " confined " to their room. The punishment is gone...unless you remove all the toys mentioned above first.
My kids are grown. But if I had kids at home, with all those gadgets, I betcha I could install a locking power switch at the AC entry to the room! "No TV for you tonight, son." Whump! Pull the big switch! (And confiscate all the batteries.)

ed

K7FE

02-03-2005, 04:10 AM

The photo in question and the modification falls into the personal attack category, plus it is in bad taste if left unmodified. Lose, lose ….............One does not become more important thru belittling others!
I deleted the inappropriate photo/caption. Thank you WK, OWO and others who recognized the inappropriateness of the post. No one asked that I remove these pictures or called it to my attention. When I came across the pictures, they spoke for themselves. Humor at the expense of less fortunate is cruel and frankly, not funny.

Terry, K7FE
One of the QRZ.COM Moderators

w4rot

02-03-2005, 04:52 AM

Terry k7fe,
I respect your decision sir, but keep this in in mind. These kids overcome hurdles that you and I cannot see...everyday.It ain't no big deal. A pic will not hurt....refusal to bring them into the circle will, which I am no way saying is happening....just something to think about. These things seem tasteless, but it does not hurt the ones we love...and that is good.
I have seen both sides of mirror..it ain't no problem.
Nothing worse than being invisible.
Thanks
w4rot

w3sy

02-03-2005, 04:57 AM

Well, win a few, lose a few.

How do we know the pic WASN'T of the Whiny Welshman? For all anyone knows, it COULD have been. For someone who is such an astute critic of other people's photographs, he seems especially reluctant to show himself here. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif HAW!

As for me, I have no qualms about putting my pic out for all to see -- like it or not. See? Enjoy!

I'd love to see what a guy who so freely tosses around the term "Nazi," as if the Nazis were some kind of joke, looks like. But I won't hold my breath.

Still, if I had to guess, I'd guess such a person looks like the deleted photo.

Point made. Dig it?

Out.

wd0ct

02-03-2005, 05:03 AM

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 02 2005,20:56)]KC9ANQ,
It would appear that when some of the children awoke from their nap they refused to go to recess until those naughty pictures were removed. They held their breath and started to turn blue until they got their way,so the pictures were removed.Then the Kindergarten could return to it's normal routine. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I'm curious, why do you continue to hang out with a bunch of kindergartners?

KA9VQF

02-03-2005, 05:11 AM

Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Feb. 02 2005,21:52)]Terry k7fe,
I respect your decision sir, but keep this in in mind. These kids overcome hurdles that you and I cannot see...everyday.It ain't no big deal. A pic will not hurt....refusal to bring them into the circle will, which I am no way saying is happening....just something to think about. These things seem tasteless, but it does not hurt the ones we love...and that is good.
I have seen both sides of mirror..it ain't no problem.
Nothing worse than being invisible.
Thanks
w4rot
I have, for the last 6 or so months, been working at a facility that hires mainly mentally and physically handicapped people. While I am not a client myself {yet} I work with them, I’m a temp. There are model workers who are not handicapped too.

Last summer one of the other temps wore a shirt with an eagle in front of an American flag. There was the inscription “Don’t tread on me” one of the clients was able to read it and took offence of the word ‘tread’.

That temp was sent home to change her offensive shirt, she did not return.

w4rot

02-03-2005, 05:24 AM

Gorden,
No disrespect to you, but it is not Trisomy 21...it is Spina Bifida.When I look into his eyes, I see a man. I expect others to do the same...
w4rot

w4rot

02-03-2005, 06:00 AM

N6WK....It's cool.
Take care man..
Best from NC,
w4rot

K7FE

02-03-2005, 06:16 AM

ROT,
I think what you are saying is that the Special Olympics photo was not bad, I agree. #I did have a problem with the caption and modification. #Posting photos or info on handicap individuals is O.K. if it is not meant to demean or ridicule them.

73,
Terry, K7FE

w4rot

02-03-2005, 06:30 AM

Hey Terry, et.al.,
Cool name by the way...I hear ya. If you can figure out what I'm saying please tell me...I usually don't know.

KA9VQF...Rock on bro...They're just like like you and me...and I think that's the problem..they're just like you and me....
Later,
w4rot

gw4rcm

02-03-2005, 02:58 PM

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Feb. 02 2005,21:57)]Well, win a few, lose a few.

How do we know the pic WASN'T of the Whiny Welshman? For all anyone knows, it COULD have been. For someone who is such an astute critic of other people's photographs, he seems especially reluctant to show himself here. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #HAW!

As for me, I have no qualms about putting my pic out for all to see -- like it or not. See? Enjoy!

I'd love to see what a guy who so freely tosses around the term "Nazi," as if the Nazis were some kind of joke, looks like. But I won't hold my breath.

Still, if I had to guess, I'd guess such a person looks like the deleted photo.

Point made. Dig it?

Out.
Whiny Welshman I like it, like it a lot.
Seems I missed a load here as well, Just wondering what the picture was about, must have been quite,revolting to have it pulled from the thread.

SY (sigh) geddit.
I'll reiterate, that I withdrew the Nazi word, and if it offended you to that extent. I appologize and insert Racial bigots, but I've already done that have'nt I in another post.
May I also remind you that #the word nazi comes from the word nazism #an ideology of Hitler's of an aryan race committed to supmremacy for Germans. And subsequent followers were called nazis.
Well if that offends you that is your problem.

As to my picture it is in my avatar, a #fire #spitting Dragon.

In case you insist on quoting me as saying that all Americans hams are nazis, I'll rephrase what I said #again.
99% of American posters on QRZ #ARE NOT racial bigots.
Satisfied now?
Whiny Welshman (chuckle chuckle) and I thought you were the one doing all the whining .
BTW I'm off to the pub.
RCM

N7AAO

02-03-2005, 03:06 PM

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Feb. 03 2005,07:58)]May I also remind you that #the word nazi comes from the word nazism #an ideology of Hitler's of an aryan race committed to supmremacy for Germans. And subsequent followers were called nazis.
Actually, Nazi is/was the short name of the German National Socialist Party. Nazism came from Nazi, not the other way around.

Quote[/b] ]Na·zi

NOUN:
pl. Na·zis
A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
(courtesy Yahoo! (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry?id=n0037400))

Please try to get your definitions right, hmmm?

k6pme

02-03-2005, 03:15 PM

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Feb. 03 2005,07:58)]99% of American posters on QRZ #ARE NOT racial bigots.
Hey RCM, can you put that in bold type? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

(Ok, perhaps it's a poor attempt at levity)

gw4rcm

02-03-2005, 03:43 PM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Feb. 03 2005,08:06)]Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Feb. 03 2005,07:58)]May I also remind you that #the word nazi comes from the word nazism #an ideology of Hitler's of an aryan race committed to supmremacy for Germans. And subsequent followers were called nazis.
Actually, Nazi is/was the short name of the German National Socialist Party. Nazism came from Nazi, not the other way around.

Quote[/b] ]Na·zi

NOUN:
pl. Na·zis
A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
(courtesy Yahoo! (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry?id=n0037400))

Please try to get your definitions right, hmmm?
From Wikipedia
Nazism is an abbreveation of the German national socialist party, and the nazis were followers of that party.Look it up

UUUUMMM
RCM

w3sy

02-03-2005, 04:52 PM

RCM dood.... Look, I've liked many of your posts from the past. And I accept your withdrawal of the Nazi crack - thank you. We've just passed the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, and the newspaper stories about it have been reminding us what those Nazi scumbags did. Yeah, I was touchy about it.

Understand that I was not offended to hear the term Nazi used, per se. It was hearing the term thrown around lightly and applied to common Internet "jaw jackers."

No need to dwell on it further.

Carry on, and have a pint on me.

K8YS

02-03-2005, 06:19 PM

If you gentleman remember, our Welshman once implied that he is anti-Jewish, anti-Isreal, and that Brits do not take orders from Jews.

His current comments do not surprise me at all.

kc7jty

02-03-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Feb. 02 2005,12:19)]Brits do not take orders from Jews.
Really!?? They take their orders from W through Tony. W is not the originator...so where does he take from?

KL7FZ

02-03-2005, 08:20 PM

Ok. Now just like a good sci-fi story (different from Hi-fi, Wi-fi, Di-fi, etc) we find that all of this was a dream inside of a dream inside a delusion brought about by a state of hypnosis caused by a drug overdose while watching a rotating spiraling disc. Upon realizing this and coming to:

Meanwhile, back at the bridge. You remember the bridge don't cha? The old troll is verrrry hungry. Along comes a couple of new Lite Extras. They call out to the troll. "Please mister troll. We would like to know how to make some dipole antennas so we can shoot skip on HF"

The troll answers "Come a little closer my little friends. My old sight and hearing is not as good as it used to be. Come closer and I will give you the benefit of my vast knowledge of antennas and DX."

The two newbies, flushed with excitement, rush toward the bridge.

#Whereupon the troll eats them both, and spits out the bones. Then he carves the bones into some really nifty paddles for his keyer and proceeds to work some nice DX.
#
#Along comes the mysterious hooded figure again. He tries to grab the troll. The troll, now very tired of working DX all day, invites the hooded figure to sit and have a snort. They get into a good ragchew about having to put up with all this nonsense. The hooded figure shakes his head in agreement. The troll convinces the hooded figure to come out into the light. To give up his hooded ways. The hooded figure thinks this over. And in one quick gesture throws off the hood and robe. Lo and behold, a beautiful, stunning blonde woman emerges. The troll gasps. It is the most beautiful woman he has ever seen. All he had ever wanted in a female in the physical sense. They sit down to talk again. It turns out she is really interested in amateur radio. And she is very intelligent to boot. The troll is in love. Head over heels. The blonde leads him down to the troll's bed under the bridge where they proceed to make mad passionate love.
All of a sudden, the blonde rears back, emits a mighty roar, and turns into a red horned devil. Nasty creature. Horrible ugly distorted features. The troll cries "What is this? Who are you now? What happened to the blonde?"
#The devil roars back "I am the God of the underworld. I am here to take away Morse code and all those who support it. It is evil. It is not wanted in the world. It shall be banished to the underworld where I will reign terror on all who have pushed it on others through the ages. And besides...I know kww.!"
#The troll is truly frightened. This is definately a major turn of events. He calls out "Oh please devil, not me. I only wanted what was best for Amateur Radio. I believe knowing and preserving the code will help hams now and in the future"
# "Blastphemy" roars the Devil. (Now with a capital letter)
# "Help me! Help me!" Calls out the troll.
# "Is there no one to help?!" He screams.

# #When on the scene, in a blaze of light and a fanfare of horns, appears Samuel FB Morse himself! Dressed in tights and carrying the one and only, the most sacred artifact of ham radio, yes, yes, yes......The GOLDEN KEY!
#And with it he smites the devil (now again small letters) and the devil disappears in a puff of smoke that smells like solder.
# The troll falls to his knees and cries out to Old Sam "Thank you! Thank you Sam!"
# Old Sam waves the Golden Key over the troll. The troll turns into a handsome young man. Straight and strong. Full of energy and even more endowed with wisdom and intelligence.
#Sam speaks "I have restored you to your former self so you may continue the fight to retain the traditional ways of amateur radio. Go forth and teach the code. Go forth and fight to keep the code. Go forth and make them understand what they are missing and how much we need to retain the test of code to insure the purity and continuity of Amateur radio and it's ability to aid the world in times of crisis. Go forth to the ends of the DX world. The most exotic locations and the most domestic. Make them understand. Make them see. It is this task I charge you with. Now go!"
#With that, Old Sam disappeared in a blinding flash #leaving the smell of ozone lingering in the air.
# The now handsome young man, thought about the task ahead. How to best accomplish this daunting feat. He thought about it a while and headed out into the world looking for no-code techs to convert. Knowing full well this it was going to be no easy task.
# #
#Join us again next week. Same time. Same frequency. For the continuing saga of Amateur Radio. The quest for CODE!

# KL7FZ

KC9ECI

02-03-2005, 08:51 PM

This is Teh Ghey.

gw4rcm

02-03-2005, 09:25 PM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Feb. 03 2005,11:19)]If you gentleman remember, our Welshman once implied that he is anti-Jewish, anti-Isreal, and that Brits do not take orders from Jews.

His current comments do not surprise me at all.
Jeeez if feels like the Alamo in this part of Wales.

YS
Never ever, have I said I'm anti Jewish or anti Israel,
I have said , in the posts, when Yasser Arafat was the subject of Vitriol, that I agreed with his stance against the Jewish occupation of Palestinian land, and the treatment of the Palestinians, by the Israelis.That does not make me a hater of the Jewish people, if I critizise them.
As to the quote, that I do not take orders from Jews,
Where did you drag that from.? You may have read that statement somewhere,but it wasn't me guv.
That was said by a British Army officer, when told of an impending Jewish terrorist attack, on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, I may get a lot of personal jibes here, but even I cannot be blamed for that one, I was not born then. if you want proof look at my bio.
Jeeewizzz some people.
RCM

KB8VNP

02-03-2005, 09:30 PM

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Feb. 03 2005,11:41)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Feb. 02 2005,12:19)]Brits do not take orders from Jews.
Really!?? They take their orders from W through Tony. W is not the originator...so where does he take from?
The American people. #If you don't like what he does, then you run in 4 years or so. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

K6UEY

02-03-2005, 09:57 PM

I sat here scratching my head attempting to decipher the message "W through Tony". Now the code has been broken.

Don't you just love it when these "LIDS" use their own interpretation of what they think abbreviations should be.It is like the Neophytes using their own version of the Standard Phonetic Alphabet.It turns out a catchey little phrase whose meaning is only known to themselves.What a real contributrion to communications,as if the world didn't have enough problems communicating. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

NO Kids, Lids, or Space cadets!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

KL7FZ

02-03-2005, 10:05 PM

Re: The Special Olympics photo: Kid having fun. Like young hams used to. Instead of spending the time like some many NCTs complaining about having to learn code to get on HF.
In Special Olympics THEY TRY.

I guess the only way to appease the no-coders is a "Special License".
#Special radios.
#Special assistance with dipoles.
#Lots of special feedback. "I'm sorry you could not understand the book. It was written at a fourth grade level. Who could expect you to understand that."
#"You tried your best. You gave the code two hours before you gave up."
#"It's not your fault. Your parents could not copy code either."
#Special license for the politically correct "Code Challenged"
#
# Everybody has to be "Special" these days!

# Gag me with a key.
# #KL7FZ

gw4rcm

02-03-2005, 10:08 PM

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 03 2005,14:57)]I sat here scratching my head attempting to decipher the message "W through Tony". Now the code has been broken.
See Orv, Code has it's uses after all, you clever person .
Tell the whole world about it whydoncha.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
RCM

KC9ECI

02-03-2005, 10:12 PM

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Feb. 03 2005,16:05)]In Special Olympics THEY TRY.
They also SUPPORT and ENCOURAGE each other and have FUN and find FELLOWSHIP and FRATERNITY.

ae5w

02-03-2005, 10:22 PM

Ok, the story was pretty good. #Add a car chase, a little #violence, and some sex and we could have a box office smash!!!

Wayne
AE5W

KL7FZ

02-03-2005, 10:32 PM

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Feb. 03 2005,15:12)]Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Feb. 03 2005,16:05)]In Special Olympics THEY TRY.
They also SUPPORT and ENCOURAGE each other and have FUN and find FELLOWSHIP and FRATERNITY.
And I definitely encourage the NCTs to try and try harder. I want them to succeed. I definitely support anyone who is really trying.
The whiners aren't trying.

KL7FZ

gw4rcm

02-03-2005, 10:32 PM

A kind American Ham has e-mailed me , to inform me of the "picture" that was featured on these pages.
To show a photo of a Downs syndrome Kid having fun and achieving, in winning a race, is fine by me, but to caption that child as a retard, plumbs the depth of morality.
How must that poor kid feel , or even his parents and relations, to have his photo plastered over the internet.
If that poster who at this moment is not known to me, want's to have a dig at me #then that's fine, but that is plumbing the depths.
It also shows a lack of social skills, and should be ashamed of himself.I will investigate further
RCM

K6UEY

02-03-2005, 10:45 PM

KL7FZ,
I think you are doing the new generation a diservice,the impression that they can not comprehend reading at a fourth grade level.Yes there are a couple of prominent posters on QRZ that it would apply to.

Most however upon High School graduation have mastered an 8th grade level (some exceptions are made for Kalifornia Graduates) of reading.

Where your evaluation is being led astray is,they have learned at an early age,that if they sit back and pretend to be a dunce others will quickly run forth with the answers.

Man is one of the creatures that is well known for his ability to reason out a simpler way of doing things, and taking that path when given the oppurtunity.

Those who post on QRZ are no exception to the rule. Have you noticed,when a thoroughly basic knowledge question is asked,many rush to offer their solution to the problem.If anyone were to dare point out the utter faine'ant behavoir they are accused of being "mean" and "inconsiderant"and are chastised beyond belief.

Just as in the training of household pets and little children they will push to see where the limits are,and once established they will conform. However if they are allowed greater and greater lattitude they also learn to push for the easiest path.

Why bother to open a book and study if all those subjugates are waiting in the wings to be heard from.

Those are the applicants who deserve the "Special License".
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gw4rcm

02-03-2005, 11:01 PM

Orv
I can see where you are coming from , but surely, if a NCT came knocking on your door asking for advice, would you tell him to go home and read the book.
As you might know some books go into the depths of a subject, far more info than you would need, the secret is to glean what information you want from what is presented.
Whatever happenened to the Elmer spirit?
RCM

kj5t

02-03-2005, 11:03 PM

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Feb. 03 2005,22:05)]Re: The Special Olympics photo: Kid having fun. Like young hams used to. Instead of spending the time like some many NCTs complaining about having to learn code to get on HF.
In Special Olympics THEY TRY.

I guess the only way to appease the no-coders is a "Special License".
Special radios.
Special assistance with dipoles.
Lots of special feedback. "I'm sorry you could not understand the book. It was written at a fourth grade level. Who could expect you to understand that."
"You tried your best. You gave the code two hours before you gave up."
"It's not your fault. Your parents could not copy code either."
Special license for the politically correct "Code Challenged"

Everybody has to be "Special" these days!

Gag me with a key.
KL7FZ
How about NCT's who choose not to learn code? Just because they are happy in the world above 30Mhz?

KB9YCO

02-03-2005, 11:16 PM

Oy, you guys just don't give up do you?
Who do you think is responsible for the idea of abolishing code? For the proposed license structure changes? IT'S NOT TECHS OR NEW LICENSEES, it's long time ARRL members, and similar groups, people that have been in radio over the years that make that determination based on their experiences and what they think the direction of amateur radio is or should be. I'm not even saying I completely agree, but blaming new operators simply because they're new will not do anything positive to help the situation (just because some techs agree with the new proposals doesn't mean that every tech that agrees has a selfish motivation, they may just happen to agree with the reasoning.)
You are so busy convicting a group that has had almost nothing to do with the proposals in question that you don't even realize the public relations damage you are doing to the amateur service in the eyes of prospective or new licensees.
Stupid, petty, childish, and unrealistic characterizations of people you know nothing about are not going to solve the current problems plaguing the hobby. Comparing technicians to CBer's and the Special Olympics certainly isn't going to help and just makes you look mean-spirited and condescending.
Are new people coming into amateur radio supposed to demand the older, harder test or boycott because it doesn't fit with the hobby of 30 years ago?
Give it up already, bashing others will not help prosper your view of amateur radio. If you feel so passionately about the hobby than try showing the positive reasons for your vision of amateur radio instead of finding scapegoats that in all reality have had very little or nothing to do with the proposals in question.

K6UEY

02-03-2005, 11:27 PM

GW4RCM,
Yes Dennis I have ,I do,and I will,turn them around and send them home if they have not shown they have the desire to learn.

Nothing of any value that I'm aware of was built from the top down. It always starts from the bottom and builds upward.

Education is especially built from the basic foundation, then advanced as the student learns to comprehend the material.

I'm sure you have seen my post's where I comment on the field of Electronics being one giant jigsaw puzzle.As the pieces are interlocked the picture begins to take shape,the main difference is there is no outer limits to electronics,just like "Topsy" it continues to grow.

How can I expect to give a full and explicit answer to a student who has no idea what I am saying.When he has learned the basic building blocks then we can continue.

Dennis I have raised my kids,and I have no desire to raise some one else's.If they still require nursing and coddling then they want to return to their mother,that is not my job.

In this day and age with the internet,and the access to libraries the world over there is no GOD given reason a normal person can not learn if the desire to learn is there.

I hope I have answered your question, "would I turn them away,if they are not prepared,yes!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

kc7jty

02-03-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Feb. 02 2005,15:25)]That does not make me a hater of the Jewish people, if I critizise them.
It does in my country. The anti semitic brand is glowing red and used unreservedly by the correct pre programed masses here.

kc7jty

02-04-2005, 12:01 AM

Quote[/b] (KB8VNP @ Feb. 02 2005,15:30)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Feb. 03 2005,11:41)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Feb. 02 2005,12:19)]Brits do not take orders from Jews.
Really!?? They take their orders from W through Tony. W is not the originator...so where does he take from?
The American people. #If you don't like what he does, then you run in 4 years or so. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
And you've got the wool over your eyes as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

kc7jty

02-04-2005, 12:09 AM

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 02 2005,15:57)]I sat here scratching my head attempting to decipher the message "W through Tony". Now the code has been broken.

Don't you just love it when these "LIDS" use their own interpretation of what they think abbreviations should be.It is like the Neophytes using their own version of the Standard Phonetic Alphabet.It turns out a catchey little phrase whose meaning is only known to themselves.What a real contributrion to communications,as if the world didn't have enough problems communicating. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

NO Kids, Lids, or Space cadets!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Only a very few are able to see through the very popular smoke in mirrors, and get a glimse of the true image that lies beyond.
Enjoy your contentment with GEORGE W BUSH and the belief that we as a nation and people are capable of only right.

K6UEY

02-04-2005, 12:26 AM

KC7JTY,
That's an assinine statement,ask any native Indian about the Government and how they stand behind their word,in fact so far behind it is difficult to tell they are there.
But in all our faults we are so far out ahead of any other nation,I would never trade places with anyone of them.
When you look at the glass and always see it as half empty,you most likely will become dehydrated.
The glass is always Half full,never half empty. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

kc7jty

02-04-2005, 01:14 AM

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 02 2005,18:26)]KC7JTY,
That's an assinine statement,ask any native Indian about the Government and how they stand behind their word,in fact so far behind it is difficult to tell they are there.
But in all our faults we are so far out ahead of any other nation,I would never trade places with anyone of them.
When you look at the glass and always see it as half empty,you most likely will become dehydrated.
The glass is always Half full,never half empty. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Orv:
Dehydrated is never a problem with me. Sometimes when I'm walking and have to stop suddenly it takes the fluid in my tummy 10 seconds to stop sloshing around.

kc7jty

02-04-2005, 01:17 AM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 02 2005,19:09)]WOW, #all this from #QRZ.COM, the land of Ham Radio and of course... The " TROLL # "

Some of these posts make NO sense at all.
Gordon
N6WK
Gordon:
Making sense of everything on QRZ ain't gonna happen. Missing some of the better subtleties though is your loss.

kc7jty

02-04-2005, 01:21 AM

Orv:
Like I stated before, aside from him stopping the telemarketers from calling me, there ain't one F thing I like about George W Bush. That ain't a glass half full OR half empty...thats less than one drop on a July day in the Mojave in that glass.

wd0ct

02-04-2005, 01:36 AM

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Feb. 03 2005,18:21)]Orv:
Like I stated before, aside from him stopping the telemarketers from calling me, there ain't one F thing I like about George W Bush. That ain't a glass half full OR half empty...thats less than one drop on a July day in the Mojave in that glass.
Gotta remember this post to tell a few repubs I talk with!

KL7FZ

02-04-2005, 01:52 AM

Quote[/b] (KD5OWO @ Feb. 03 2005,16:03)]Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Feb. 03 2005,22:05)]Re: The Special Olympics photo: Kid having fun. Like young hams used to. Instead of spending the time like some many NCTs complaining about having to learn code to get on HF.
In Special Olympics THEY TRY.

I guess the only way to appease the no-coders is a "Special License".
#Special radios.
#Special assistance with dipoles.
#Lots of special feedback. "I'm sorry you could not understand the book. It was written at a fourth grade level. Who could expect you to understand that."
#"You tried your best. You gave the code two hours before you gave up."
#"It's not your fault. Your parents could not copy code either."
#Special license for the politically correct "Code Challenged"
#
# Everybody has to be "Special" these days!

# Gag me with a key.
# #KL7FZ
How about NCT's who choose not to learn code? #Just because they are happy in the world above 30Mhz?
My use of NCT mainly relates to those who want HF and want to abolish CW as a requirement. I applaude those who are on VHF, UHF, and Microwaves and are happy there. There are many who are making significant contributions there. No problems with them.
I really have problems with those who want to be hams with HF access and complain that it is too hard for them. It is too much work to learn CW for them and they just want access given to them. They really steam me.
And a bit of this is fostered by old hams that have a pecunary interest in ham radio. They make their living off of it and want to increase the ranks just to preserve their own butts. Even to the detriment of the hobby/service.
#Most hams I know are absolutely great people. Some are dumber than bricks. But they are still good people as I see it. They just don't have the aptitude for ham radio.
#They give you tests in school for this to enter the military. You can see from the test that some people are just not suited for certain professions and situations. While at the same time those people excell in other places.
#I've known people like that who wanted to fly. I would NOTget into a plane they were flying. No way. But they had great skills in other ways.
#Everything is life is this way. Not everyone is suited to all life situations.
# I never would support giving away the priviledge of amateur radio to just everyone without some qualifiers.
#The most basic is the willingness to learn. To improve one's self. To overcome.
NOT THE ABILITY TO WHINE IT'S TOO HARD!

#Stay tuned for the continuing saga of Sam FB Morse, the Converted troll, and the GOLDEN KEY. He is coming to a QRZ.com near you soon. Don't miss it!
# Popcorn and drinks available at the snack counter.

# KL7FZ

Oh yeah. All whiners to the balcony please.

K6UEY

02-04-2005, 05:40 AM

There are those who purposely limit their input which allows them to justify a narrow minded approach with little chance of overload. A loss of some of the better subtleties is not missed and minimizes the time required to figure out what was meant.
The Newtonian-Cassegrain approach would allow them the broaden the reflection to a much greater scope,but then again the possibility of overload to a process that is limited to a narrow field becomes overbearing.
Yes it is proven beyond doubt that RF can cause Brain Damage with conclusive scientific proof.
The use of NCT's in the VHF/UHF range still places limited range and function not being able to fully appreciate the total benefits of Amateur Radio, thus lacking the basic skills of CW and the ability to TX an RX Morse.Serious contenders who wish to make a contribution to the Art of communications often start a contact grasping into the noise for a CW contact.Phone contact takes place if possible much after the record has been made and established.The true genius and breaker of records is quite proficient and enjoys all the qualifications of a true Radio Amateur.

w5klb

02-04-2005, 03:00 PM

Wow,

So far on this thread, I've seen stuff about NCT, Mojove Dessert, Nazis, Telescopes, Trolls, the art of Photograhy. Has anything been resolved? The short answer: No.

After reading this thread, if I were a prospective Tech just looking around on the internet, and ran across this thread, I think I would consider the possibilities of stamp collecting, or fishing. (No offense WK).

N8CPA

02-04-2005, 03:29 PM

"And a bit of this is fostered by old hams that have a pecunary interest in ham radio. They make their living off of it and want to increase the ranks just to preserve their own butts. Even to the detriment of the hobby/service."

Is there now, or was there ever, a Q-signal for Amen? #That paragraph is an echo of one of my own suspicions. There are demagogues for profit cheerleading the cause. #They peddle snake oil, claiming it will cure the ills of Amateur Radio.

K8YS

02-04-2005, 03:51 PM

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Feb. 04 2005,10:29)]"And a bit of this is fostered by old hams that have a pecunary interest in ham radio. They make their living off of it and want to increase the ranks just to preserve their own butts. Even to the detriment of the hobby/service."

Is there now, or was there ever, a Q-signal for Amen? That paragraph is an echo of one of my own suspicions. There are demagogues for profit cheerleading the cause. They peddle snake oil, claiming it will cure the ills of Amateur Radio.
I have ALWAYS maintained that is EXACLTY why people such as W5YI (and his group) push for "more numbers".

kc7jty

02-04-2005, 06:17 PM

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Feb. 02 2005,19:52)]They just don't have the aptitude for ham radio.
#They give you tests in school for this to enter the military. You can see from the test that some people are just not suited for certain professions and situations. While at the same time those people excell in other places.
#
Yeah...about 99.99% are better suited for the internet and are going to that "other place" where they excel.

kc7jty

02-04-2005, 06:31 PM

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Feb. 02 2005,23:40)]Serious contenders who wish to make a contribution to the Art of communications often start a contact grasping into the noise for a CW contact.
Orv:
You expect the world to take this whole thing too seriously. I don't fault your position, I just don't think its very realistic in the world of today.
Let someone into the room with you, if in time it turns out you have many things in common all well and good, but if that person's main interests are other than yours it doesn't mean you can't enjoy each others presence.

w5klb

02-04-2005, 07:00 PM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Feb. 04 2005,08:54)]Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Feb. 04 2005,16:00)]Wow,

So far on this thread, I've seen stuff about NCT, Mojove Dessert, Nazis, Telescopes, Trolls, the art of Photograhy. Has anything been resolved? The short answer: No.

After reading this thread, if I were a prospective Tech just looking around on the internet, and ran across this thread, I think I would consider the possibilities of stamp collecting, or fishing. (No offense WK).
None taken Gary. #The thread has drifted significantly from the Original meaning, but that does often happen.
The Old TROLL #is still here at QRZ.Com and the fighting continues. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
So, I pose this question to ALL you on this thread: If we are suppose to be part of the "brother and sisterhood of Amateur Radio", why is it that we go to great lengths to try perform charactor assinations on each other on threads such as this? Why is it that some people, across the Great Pond, take every opprotunity to bash our goverment, and us as a people? And I don't want to hear "this is the internet, and get over it" either.

I mean, really, I understand that some here like to vent (Yes SY, I understand your humor and have laughed uncontrollabley at some of your postings here), but some of this is a "little over the top". And sometimes we do this to each other on the air! Maybe I'm a little thinking impaired about this, but it just seems to me that we are getting our stomachs all notted up, for things that, in the end, results in a whole lot of nothing.

I like a good healthy debate about things that matters to us as a community, and it doesn't nessesarily have to be about Amateur Radio. We are much more than that. But, good grief, after reading some of the postings here, what kind of examples are we setting for others including non-hams?

Makes me kinda wonder...

K6UEY

02-04-2005, 07:19 PM

KC7JTY,
Sorry but once again as you occasionaly do you have lost me as to the point of your exclamation. I feel like WK when he interprepts a meaning that was never expressed.You quoted one of my comments totally out of context then added apparently advice to cure a situation that does not exsist.
May I suggest you drop me an E-mailand maybe clairify what you were trying to say.
I'm not sure if you are addressing the comment by KL7FZ concerning the 99.9 % that only qualify to be on the internet.
My comments did address that group who use the excuse that they only operate on VHF/UHF so they do not require the use of CW.However like many other areas in which they lack experience and knowledge they are mistaken.I can only surmise their impression of a serious VHF/UHF Amateur is one that works DX on a 2 meter FM repeater. # # # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

w5klb

02-04-2005, 07:21 PM

Oh, just one other rather small observation: Amateur Radio isn't dying, after reading some of the postings on this thread, we are committing suicide.

w3sy

02-05-2005, 01:09 AM

Gary W5KLB.... You might be making more out of what you see here than is really deserved. THIS behavior, in most cases, is as a result of people blowing off steam in a way that would not be appropriate on the air.

On the other hand, some of the recurring arguments are getting kinda silly.

Which brings us to the "offensive" picture (and a doctored version of it) that appeared here briefly. The intent was NOT to make fun of retarded folks. The point, forcefully made, was that so many of these arguments and flame wars and personal vendettas are completely pointless.

Chill out. Have a beer.

w5klb

02-05-2005, 03:13 AM

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Feb. 04 2005,18:09)]Gary W5KLB.... You might be making more out of what you see here than is really deserved. THIS behavior, in most cases, is as a result of people blowing off steam in a way that would not be appropriate on the air.

On the other hand, some of the recurring arguments are getting kinda silly.

Which brings us to the "offensive" picture (and a doctored version of it) that appeared here briefly. The intent was NOT to make fun of retarded folks. The point, forcefully made, was that so many of these arguments and flame wars and personal vendettas are completely pointless.

Chill out. Have a beer.
Steve, W3SY,

I understand. I have watched and lurked and know who Gordon is talking about. And, perhaps you're right, I need to lighten up a little here, I just hoping we are not sending the wrong signals to others who may lurking wanting to get started in the hobby and we are chasing them away.

So go ahead and "scratch your posion ivy". I'll just have to take more of my "recreational drugs". #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif