AND SPEAKING OF ENGLISH

[W5HTW]

My wife works at a school. Earlier this week, the principal held a meeting, and two of the gals were speaking Spanish. After the meeting he made the (yes, very dangerous) comment, in front of them, and to my wife, "I think some of the people around here should learn a bit of English." One of the women said, "maybe the principal should learn some Spanish."

My wife had no comment. But when she told me about it, I told her if that comes up again, ask that woman, "Why? Is he going to Mexico?"

She said she may ask that woman exactly that, even though it is now a couple days later. It would be interesting to hear the reply! But maybe not repeatable.

Ed

[K8YS]

America speaks ENGLISH (ok, so it ain't the kings English) and the language of COMMERCE as well as the only OFFICIAL AERONAUTICAL language is ENGLISH, if they want to LIVE AND WORK HERE, they need to speak the common language.

Spanish, French, German, Chinese, Indian, Farsi, Japanese are nice hobby languages, but to do business in the USA, you need to know ENGLISH.

Every Italian, every German, every Russian, everyone form the "Old Country" that settled in the USA knew to get a head, you better speak English.

It seems to ME, that the only major immigrant group that refuses to learn English are the Hispanic speakers and I meet many different groups while I work.

[w2wtf]

This is going to make some people irate but here it goes.

We've been speaking ENGLISH here since Plymoth Rock.
Granted other languages have been spoken but mainly English, and people USED to learn English when the immigrated here.(It actually USED to be a requirement for citizenshp, and should be brought back). Plus its only common courtsey to learn the language of another country if you are going to be living there for staying for an extended period of time. (I've done it twice in two different countries that speak two different languages, not very well anymore) My mother was a immigrant and had to learn English, both my grandmothers were immigrants that had to learn english, and they did, and did so proudly. The rest of the world is taking measures to defend thier culture and I firmly believe we should also. (hell the french are suing GE for printing materials in english and not french, but screw the french anyway)The first thing a sovereign nation has to do to be sovereign to protect its borders but thats another issue all together. The second is to protect its culture. (1400+ illegal immigrants from mexico a day, yea real protection there..) #English should be the only language on any govt. documents in this country (other than in hospitals) to live in MY country and to assimilate into MY culture you need to learn MY language. know how much the country would save in printing cost alone? paperwork, Pamphlets, road signs ect... Its our country, our language and we should protect it.


Can I get a AMEN!!!

[kd5rpo]

There is an important fact Ed forgot to mention, and that is this occured in New Mexico.
The immigrants here were the ones speaking English while the people who settled this state were Spanish.
The people of our state hold our three primary cultures in high regard. These are Indian, Spanish, and European.

Our state has 2 official languages: English AND Spanish. The majority of citizens here respect that.



KD5RPO

[w2wtf]

With that point...
Well I currently live in South Carolina which was settled by white anglo saxon protastants who spoke english and psudo-settled by african slaves who ended up speaking English.(because they all spoke soo many different languages upon arrival they were taught English contrary to what your history book said) Therefore why should I learn Spanish? I've been to Mexico before and have no plans of going back to Mexico or any Central American country for that matter. So they should learn English before they come here. If I wanted to live in Mexico I'd learn Spanish, like I said its only common courtesy. Heck if I moved to any other country I'd be expected to learn thier language, so if you come to mine you need to learn my language.

[N0KLT]

The State of Nebraska prints it's drivers license manual in, I believe, 7 languages. If requested by anyone taking the test, a test in any of those languages will be administered and if necessary an interpreter will be furnished; at taxpayer's expense. So much for English being the language of choice in this state anyway. We have a whole bunch of drivers here who can't read enough English to read a manual or a test and pass the license test. Makes me wonder how they can read the street signs.

[w3sy]

Here, lemme teach you some Spanish. You can use this on your next QSO with a Spanish speaking op.

If you wanna say, "I am pleased to meet you," say:

Yo soy un pendejo grande.

So.... this principal who said the ladies should learn English.... Who does he drive a truck for now?

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Jan. 06 2005,19:13)]Here, lemme teach you some Spanish. You can use this on your next QSO with a Spanish speaking op.

If you wanna say, "I am pleased to meet you," say:

Yo soy un pendejo grande.

So.... this principal who said the ladies should learn English.... Who does he drive a truck for now?
Dios Mio! Esteban!

[w2wtf]

Two bad I don't have a cyrillic keyboard or font I'd type my reply in Ukrainian ...

[KC0KBH]

Dang! You know a cool language too.

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (kd5rpo @ Jan. 06 2005,19:59)]There is an important fact Ed forgot to mention, and that is this occured in New Mexico.
The immigrants here were the ones speaking English while the people who settled this state were Spanish.
The people of our state hold our three primary cultures in high regard. These are Indian, Spanish, and European.

Our state has 2 official languages: English AND Spanish. The majority of citizens here respect that.



KD5RPO
There are other important facts, as well.

Prior to the Spanish arriving and enslaving the Indians, the native language of this area was primarily Tewa, at least in the northern and central parts of the state. In the western part it was Navajo (Dinali??) and in the south and southwest it was Apache. Spanish was not the native language of the state. It was the language of the conquerors.

The Spanish Conquistadores arrived, and dominated the culture, though, for around 80 years. The Indians were forced to work in the salt, gold and turquoise mines, as slaves for the Spanish. Failure to comply would result in death, or at the very least, a foot being cut off, as was the practice. In fact, within the past few years a foot was cut off the statue of Don Juan de Onate, a reminder of the bitter hatred going back 400 years between the Indians and the Spanish.

But all the 'goodies' were exported back to Spain, or to the Spanish capitals in Chihuahua City, Mexico, the southern end of the Spanish Turquoise Trail. In the 1600s though, the Indians, who had now learned of horses (the Indian had no horses prior to the arrival of the Spanish) and weapons such as swords, uprose and ran the Spanish out. They Spanish returned, following what was known as The Pueblo Revolt, and treated the Indians somewhat better. At least they stopped forcing them to be slaves, though they still coerced them to become Catholics, a reminder of The Inquisition. They were still forced to learn Spanish, and as a result most modern Indians can claim Spanish as their 'native' language, and will have Spanish given and surnames. The elders of the tribes, though, still speak their ancient tongue.

Later the state was settled by other white Europeans, largely Scandanavians for a while, then eventually settlers from what would be called our East Coast.

The point being, there is always another culture that was present first. Before the Indians, we have the cave man, as represented by Sandia Man and Folsom Man. Probably neither had a spoken language other than grunts, though!

Likewise, in Europe, the base language was mostly Latin, as spoken by the conquering Romans. That would, of course, mean countries such as Germany, Belgium, France (whose language is indeed based upon Latin) would all be Latin speakers.

It is also true that as the Spanish culture becomes more entrenched in the United States, undoubtedly Spanish will become the primary language-of-state, with English as a secondary.

Yet, as someone else noted, when we travel abroad, and especially if we live abroad, we find that in order to get along well, we have to learn the native language. Having spent extensive time abroad, I found it necessary to learn enough of the native language to at least get along.

In France, it is rumored they speak French. In Germany, they speak German. In Japan they speak Japanese. We are left wondering, "In the USA, what language do they speak?"

And we have no answer. And possibly, no national identity.

Ed

[kc7jty]

Actually America IS bilingual. This is evidenced by government forms that are in English/Spanish or Spanish.
# # # fecha de nacimiento y su firma por favor.

I have a belly full of chiles rellenos now which I ordered in Mexican (Spanish). "Plato de chile relleno"......Tortillas de maiz o harina?..."Harina"....A tomar?......."Coca chica"......Seis (dollares)....."Si".

[ae2ny]

OK I have to throw my .02 cents in here and yes I do want the change when I'm done.

My mother's entire side of the family came from Madrid, Spain. My primary language was Spanish but I learned English at the same time. I learned two languages simultaneously and learned to incorporate both into my daily life.

Years ago, back before I was even thought of, the Statue of Liberty was given to us as a gift from France. Some of the words on that tablet she holds are "Give me your weary, your sick, your tired". The U.S. was supposed to be a melting pot of all different cultures.

Nothing was ever said about it being a requirement to speak English to live here. Only modern day arrogance would allow someone to say "You need to learn English to live here".


Anthony - W8ANT

P.S. Mi vida es muy importante a mi. Porque mi vida es de mi mama. Si no mama, no vida. En los Estados Unidos, todos personas estan bienvenidos. Recuerdo mis palabras. Porque la idioma de Espanol es muy importante en este sociedad por hoy.

[kz9u]

Quote[/b] (W8ANT @ Jan. 08 2005,16:50)]Nothing was ever said about it being a requirement to speak English to live here. #Only modern day arrogance would allow someone to say "You need to learn English to live here". #
Try going to France and not speaking French.. See how you are treated..

Try to find another country so tolerant as the US to accommodate others. You'll fail..

Why should the citizens of the US be required to change their way of life because someone moves here? You have to know you are on the losing end of a very weak argument on your part.

[ae2ny]

So because other countries would do that to us, it's right to turn around and do it to them? An eye for an eye right?

Losing argument? Sorry, but the "eye for an eye" argument went out when Christ offered us salvation instead of Hell.


Anthony - W8ANT

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (W8ANT @ Jan. 08 2005,15:50)]OK I have to throw my .02 cents in here and yes I do want the change when I'm done.

My mother's entire side of the family came from Madrid, Spain. #My primary language was Spanish but I learned English at the same time. #I learned two languages simultaneously and learned to incorporate both into my daily life.

Years ago, back before I was even thought of, the Statue of Liberty was given to us as a gift from France. #Some of the words on that tablet she holds are "Give me your weary, your sick, your tired". #The U.S. was supposed to be a melting pot of all different cultures.

Nothing was ever said about it being a requirement to speak English to live here. #Only modern day arrogance would allow someone to say "You need to learn English to live here". #


Anthony - W8ANT

P.S. Mi vida es muy importante a mi. #Porque mi vida es de mi mama. #Si no mama, no vida. #En los Estados Unidos, todos personas estan bienvenidos. #Recuerdo mis palabras. #Porque la idioma de Espanol es muy importante en este sociedad por hoy.
Beautiful Anthony. That's one of the best posts I've seen on here in a long time...

WX7B

[kz9u]

Quote[/b] (W8ANT @ Jan. 08 2005,16:57)]So because other countries would do that to us, it's right to turn around and do it to them? #An eye for an eye right?

Losing argument? #Sorry, but the "eye for an eye" argument went out when Christ offered us salvation instead of Hell.


Anthony - W8ANT
heh.. Ok.. Biblical retorts.. You may recall that God created multiple languages as a PUNISHMENT..

Eye for an eye is not what I said.. I said if you are going to come to the US looking for help or a place to make a living, don't try to turn it in to the place you just LEFT..

[Edit Added] One of the reason many people object to the US presence in Iraq is because the US is trying to force things on them.. Make them change.. Well.. If we aren't supposed to do it to them, why should we LET them do it to us???[End Edit]

[ae2ny]

I agree with that mentality 110%. If it was so bad where they came from, then of course, don't try to turn it into that place. However, you said the following, and I quote...

"Try going to France and not speaking French.. See how you are treated.. "

That says to me that because the French hate us for not speaking French, that gives us the right to hate others who don't speak English. I don't agree with that and I never will. How else was I supposed to read that?


Anthony - W8ANT

[kz9u]

Actually I meant that to say that French treat badly people who do not speak French, but MOST specifically people who speak American English.. I meant simply that people who go there who wish to be treated decently need to make some effort to communicate on their terms.

And I do not think I said that hating anyone was ok.. I don't think that at all in fact. I only mean that people coming here need to make an effort to communicate with the people who live here, and not insist on (As has hapened in Texas) getting the local official language changed to Spanish..

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (W8ANT @ Jan. 08 2005,20:50)]Years ago, back before I was even thought of, the Statue of Liberty was given to us as a gift from France. Some of the words on that tablet she holds are "Give me your weary, your sick, your tired". The U.S. was supposed to be a melting pot of all different cultures.

Nothing was ever said about it being a requirement to speak English to live here. Only modern day arrogance would allow someone to say "You need to learn English to live here".
no, but I bet your parents learned English so that they would melt into that great melting pot.

My family (both sides) have been here before Ellis Island was built so they missed the experiance.

I do not think that who ever wrote the "give us your weary..." poem ever heard about Ellis Island, if anyone was SICK, they would have been returned to wherever they came from.

[W8CEI]

"America, Love It or leave it" Also learn the Language!! 73 Amen

[KL7FZ]

They may not speak English, but almost everyone on the planet speaks American. Dollars!

Next time they ask for money..... Next time they want to get paid or beg for a handout, say "Ask for it in English". Amazing how fast they will learn.

Got a buck?
KL7FZ

[W5HTW]

AT age 65, I see no valid reason I have to learn a new language to continue to survive in the country of my birth. I speak English. (Yes, I speak Spanish, enough, and yes, I still speak French, though I've forgotten a lot of it. But that isn't the point.) Now, in my elder years I have to learn a new language because the newcomers to our nation (sounds like ham radio, huh?) are too lazy, or perhaps actually, too self-centered, to learn the language that has been spoken in this nation since it became a nation?

I appreciate culture. And I love the Spanish culture. I like the people, I like the food, the music, the art. Though I rarely visit Mexico anymore, it is not because I don't enjoy it.

I appreciate the cultures of others as well, including the German-American community, in which German is spoken among its members. But they also speak English. Same with other communities, such as the Russian-Americans. My daughter-in-law is a Russian. But she speaks English, well enough to teach second grade in the United States.

I have no problem at all with the Spanish speaking their language here, or elsewhere. Though my Spanish isn't all that good, I will frequently dive in. I do have a problem with them expecting those of us who do not speak Spanish to learn it in order to get ahead in this country.

If that should be the case, then how can we prevent the Vietnamese, one of the larger minorities, from making their language the third language of the country? What about Japanese? Chinese? Russian?

We have to decide if we want to be able to communicate within our borders. If not, then we can indeed become a Babel. It's easy to do, as is being proven. But if we need to be able to write to and talk with each other, we need a common language. And Spanish isn't it. Neither is German, or French. Or Vietnamese. Or Morse code. When we can't communicate, we are not a nation.

When you come to America, take part IN it, not part OF it.

Well, I've voiced my opinion! Yep, I'm for Official English for our nation. I don't care what language you speak, but if you want to speak with me, use English. If you want me to do something, use English. If you want to communicate with my government, at local, state or federal levels, use English.

Enough. I've given my views, so no point in saying more. Thanks for the comments, both positive and negative. That's the great thing about us here - we can do that; we can disagree.

Oh, and by the way, to the fellow who a page back, asked "what truck is that principal driving now?" I agree! That is not a remark you can safely make in our politically correct environment. That is indeed the kind of remark, though true, that can get him fired. And it may, though so far I have heard nothing in that direction. It would not surprise me, though, to hear it come up in the near future! He may have, by now, thought better of it, too, but it is too late.

On to more interesting things.

Ed

[w6ez]

What defines a nation?

Borders * Language * Culture

Our borders are over run by illegals
Our language is being replaced with foreign ones
Our culture is under daily attack by the left wing

Think we aren't at war right now?

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (w6ez @ Jan. 08 2005,22:07)]What defines a nation?

Borders * Language * Culture

Our borders are over run by illegals
Our language is being replaced with foreign ones
Our culture is under daily attack by the left wing

Think we aren't at war right now?
Agreed!!

The first thing a nation must do to be sovereign is protect its borders, the second is to defend its culture..........

If I move to your counrty I'll learn your language, and your customs If you move to mine LEARN ENGLISH you disrespectful *** ****.

[K9STH]

FOY:

I seriously suggest that you clean up your language and immediately edit or delte the post that appears above this one. If this is not done within 24 hours I will delete your post AND recommend that you be banned.

The choice is yours!

The rules of the road on QRZ.com are

No profanity

No obscenities

No personal attacks

You seem not to know the difference.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[w2wtf]

STH whats the difference between what I put and some of these remarks?

Quote[/b] ](N6WK @ Jan. 06 2005,17:49)
Too bad the slight majority didn't figure it out before Nov 2.

Yeah...Right...like that *ss h*le Kerry would have been a better choice.

Quote[/b] ]Quote (K6UEY @ Jan. 03 2005,14:54)

If you really are intent on making an A$$ of your self,can't you do it with a little class and refrain from posting?
( http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Bottom line they all make the same inference.

[K9STH]

Frankly, I missed those! Thank you for calling them to my attention.

WK: You need to "clean up" your posts as well else suffer.

UEY: Same thing.

Anyone else? Same thing!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W8ANT @ Jan. 07 2005,17:50)]#Porque la idioma de Espanol es muy importante en este sociedad por hoy.
I agree, but look at the problems France is experiencing with its muslim citizens. It is very important that the citizens of a country "fit". A common language will only help this along. A country divided by many things, including language, is much weaker and headed for fracturing IMO.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (N9KZU @ Jan. 07 2005,18:06)]You may recall that God created multiple languages as a PUNISHMENT..
and what did HE have in mind when HE created DARWIN?

[kc7jty]

We deserve what we are getting now. Its like reaping back what we did to the indigenous peoples here and the Hispanics in the SW.

[kz9u]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 10 2005,10:55)]We deserve what we are getting now. Its like reaping back what we did to the indigenous peoples here and the Hispanics in the SW.
I've never done anything to the indigenous peoples here or the Hispanics in the SW.

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (kg4foy @ Jan. 06 2005,19:41)]This is going to make some people irate but here it goes.

We've been speaking ENGLISH here since Plymoth Rock.
Granted other languages have been spoken but mainly English, and people USED to learn English when the immigrated here.(It actually USED to be a requirement for citizenshp, and should be brought back). Plus its only common courtsey to learn the language of another country if you are going to be living there for staying for an extended period of time. (I've done it twice in two different countries that speak two different languages, not very well anymore) My mother was a immigrant and had to learn English, both my grandmothers were immigrants that had to learn english, and they did, and did so proudly. The rest of the world is taking measures to defend thier culture and I firmly believe we should also. (hell the french are suing GE for printing materials in english and not french, but screw the french anyway)The first thing a sovereign nation has to do to be sovereign to protect its borders but thats another issue all together. The second is to protect its culture. (1400+ illegal immigrants from mexico a day, yea real protection there..) #English should be the only language on any govt. documents in this country (other than in hospitals) to live in MY country and to assimilate into MY culture you need to learn MY language. know how much the country would save in printing cost alone? paperwork, #Pamphlets, road signs ect... Its our country, our language and we should protect it.


Can I get a AMEN!!!
Who is WE paleface! #You show up and now its your turf? #Wow that confirms everything.

HI were the white folk and we know better than you

How typical.

I grew up in Texas, San Antonio to be exact, South Side. #My Mother went to Harlandale, My Dad to Burbank. #They both spoke English and Spanish FLUENTLY. #My Grandmother and Grandfather spoke working english and native Spanish. #They were from Mexico. #My paternal grandparents have been in Texas since the Alamo (Matter of fact, they DIED IN THE ALAMO!!) but anway, they were (my parents) so afraid of me and my syblings speaking spanish because at that time, we would have been labled as special education, you know small school bus, etc. #Just because I would have had a hard time with the language. #Aww midre pobre pablito, he no speekee dee eeengleesh. Tu queres un tamale pablito? he must be tontito. (in my best south texas INS spanish accent....another story that irritates the living hell out of me!) Then you got to live with it at school. We all know how loving and forgiving kids are in the playground when someone different shows up...... So Mr "Im better than you because I am anglo-saxon-protestant and came over on the mayflower" Try it on the other side of the fence eh? #Its hard enough trying to make a new life (legally or illegally) and you cant get along. #Yes you need to assimilate into the country that you are now calling your home but hey, you think you could cut them some slack for a bit. #Instead of busting on them why dont you step up to the freekin plate and volunteer to teach them English or is that just too above you to work with someone who is "other than your race".

Otro Amen' senior?

[WB2RJR]

W3BNY and W8ANT

Thanks for your posts.

I have a couple of observations about this fairy tale that in the past all immigrants came here and learned english. I was born in 1949 and all of my friends in school who were Polish, Ukrainian, or Italian had parents who spoke both english and another language. All of their grandparents, who were the ones that immigrated either did not speak english or did so poorly. Because of the same prejudice we see on this board neither myself or any of my friends were bilingual. Our parents didn't want us to speak with an accent and be labeled a DP or a WOP or whatever. BNY same thing your parents were worried about.

The peak years for Polish immigration were 1912&13, Italian 1910-1920, Ukrainian 1914. So 40 or 50 years later these people were still hanging on to their native language.

Now I also had friends who were German, but none of their parents or grandparents spoke German. Were they just better at fitting into America. Well the paek year for German immigration was 1882, like 30 years or another generation earlier. I grew up in Hamburg, NY, it was incorporated in 1812. From 1812 to 1887 all town business and laws were in German.(gee! that's only 75 years to get around to speaking English).

How about this from Wisc. history "when a 1854 law clearly mandated instruction in English, Germans ignored it," a later stricter law was passed in 1879 to get these Germans to instruct their children in English in their church schools. The law also said that US History MUST be taught, wonder why that was?

You can all go back to pretending that this thread isn't about prejudice.

73, Marty WB2RJR

[K9STH]

My "home" county in Indiana now has about a 15 percent Hispanic population and a number of the Hispanics started wanting everything translated in Spanish. There are still a lot of the older Polish, Czech, Slav, and so on in that part of the country who came over from the "home land". Frankly, they were not "happy" when the Hispanics started demanding automatic translation saying that they, and their parents and grandparents had to learn Enlish to survive.

The result is that there is one county paid part time translator "on call" just in case some just cannot speak any English.

A number of years ago here in Richardson, Texas, there was a police office who had married a Mexican national and who could speak "Mexican" Spanish very fluently. When ever he would stop a Hispanic for a traffic violation they usually would start with the "no habla English". He would explain to them in "perfect Mexican" dialect that they definitely understood English and if they didn't start speaking English right away that he was going to haul their posteriors off to jail. Suddenly virtually every one of them started understanding and speaking English.

When my office was in downtown Dallas whenever I went to lunch I would often overhear conversations in which virtually every-other-word was Spanish and English. That is one word would be English and the second one Spanish. If someone sat down with the group who was not fluent in English they would immediately switch to Spanish. If an "Anglo" sat down, they would immediately switch to all English. This was not with any conscious effort, it was just what they did.

As for immigration: Everyone in this country is from immigrant backgrounds including the American Indians ("Native Americans" for the politically correct - there are definitely very large organizations in this part of the country that still call themselves "Indians") who's ancestors came across the land bridge from Asia several millenium ago.

The result of this is that if everyone went back to where their ancestors originally came from, both North and South America would not have any humans living on the land. As for me, some of my ancestors came over the land bridge, some came to the "new world" in the mid-1600s, most came over in 1719 to 1721, and a few in the 1730s.

Glen, K9STH

[N0KLT]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 10 2005,11:44)]Quote[/b] (N9KZU @ Jan. 07 2005,18:06)]You may recall that God created multiple languages as a PUNISHMENT..
and what did HE have in mind when HE created DARWIN?
Darwin awards??

[kg4kww]

dudes if these folks want to live in our neck of the woods, then they need to learn the lingo or get the hell out.

[w3bny]

So why is it then that we are not speaking Kiowa, Mohican, Chawctow or any other dialect that has since been quashed. #When the "Mayflower" folks came over they should have picked up the lingo instead of giving them smallpox, rape, influenza, forced migration, loss of identity, am I missing anything else? #And as for the language swap, please. #So I can get SPEEKEEE EEEENGLISSSH PABLO? #Oh yeah, I got it... #Ever been stopped for DWH? #Or gotten the good old fashioned

Deonde esta su trajeta verde!

I almost went to jail for that! #Becase I threw my green MILITARY ID card at that SOB and asked if if that was green enough for him! #Just because I went to a greyhound station to pick up a friend wearing old ropers, dirty jeans a torn snapdown cowboy shirt and an old resistol straw (pulling/burning cedar stumps at my uncles stead).

But nope. #In San Antonio I was automatically a dirty old Mex lookin to hop a bus!

Please....

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ Jan. 10 2005,15:48)]So why is it then that we are not speaking Kiowa, Mohican, Chawctow or any other dialect that has since been quashed. #When the "Mayflower" folks came over they should have picked up the lingo instead of giving them smallpox, rape, influenza, forced migration, loss of identity, am I missing anything else? #And as for the language swap, please. #So I can get SPEEKEEE EEEENGLISSSH PABLO? #Oh yeah, I got it... #Ever been stopped for DWH? #Or gotten the good old fashioned

Deonde esta su trajeta verde!

I almost went to jail for that! #Becase I threw my green MILITARY ID card in that SOB's face. #Just because I went to a greyhound station to pick up a friend wearing old ropers, dirty jeans a torn snapdown cowboy shirt and an old resistol straw (pulling/burning cedar stumps at my uncles stead).

But nope. #In San Antonio I was automatically a dirty old Mex lookin to hop a bus!

Please....
Welsh OM Welsh .
Did you know that nine of the first eleven American Presidents had Welsh roots.
The majority of the pilgrim Fathers were also Welsh.
It does not fill me with pride to state these facts , seeing the way they turned out
RCM

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Jan. 10 2005,16:00)]Did you know that nine of the first eleven American Presidents had Welsh roots.
The majority of the pilgrim Fathers were also Welsh.
It does not fill me with pride to state these facts , seeing the way they turned out
RCM
Ever think that there is a good reason that they left? Don't act soo smart when your still supporting the largest single welfare recipiant in the world... The Royal Family.


Maybe they came to america to deepen the gene pool, to ensure that due to future genetics their childeren would be able to have straight teeth!

[WB2RJR]

Americans' fear of other languages is unfounded

BY MARY SANCHEZ

msanchez@kcstar.com

Q: What is a trilingual?
A: A German.
Q: What is a bilingual?
A: An Italian.
Q: And what is a monolingual?
A: An American.
This is a standard European joke. The first two countries change, depending on who is telling the joke. But the punch line never does. Americans are well-known for their inability to speak any languages other than English. And they are equally well-known for their discomfort around people speaking languages that they don't understand.
This monolingual culture also distorts American's ability to understand how language is learned. And, it adds to the ugly scenario where Americans' spout to immigrants: ``If you are in America, speak English!''
Americans are right to insist immigrants master English. But they fail to realize the difficulty or process of the task.
How could they know; when so few Americans have ever tried to master a foreign language and have conveniently forgotten their ancestors spoke another tongue. Americans should not expect immigrant families to lose their native languages completely. Adding English, not subtracting a foreign language, should be the goal.
Now a new study has disproved what the English-only crowd fears: the societal effects of immigrants who seemingly refuse to give up their native language for English. The fear is distorted.
The children and grandchildren of immigrants, despite increasing immigration rates, continue to choose English as their dominant language, according to a study of Census data.
Researchers at the State University of New York at Albany dissected Census data, looking at immigrant groups through the generations. Quoted in The New York Times, the lead researcher tried to put to rest a common fallacy.
''A number of people, whether from the left or right, are underplaying the contemporary signs of assimilation,'' said Richard Alba, director of the university's Mumford center said. ''They are viewing American society as much more fractured along ethnic and cultural lines than really appears to be the case,'' Alba continued. ``There are fault lines, but they are not as deep as people think.''
Immigrants know their children must master English to succeed in this country. That has always been true. Whether the immigrants were from Germany, Ireland or Italy. By the second and third generation, English has always dominated.
Latino and Asian immigrants are no different.
The findings: 92 percent of second generation Latinos speak English well or very well even though 85 percent speak at least some Spanish at home. Among Asians of the second generation, 96 percent are proficient in English and 61 percent speak an Asian mother tongue at home.
Even the largest immigrant group, Mexicans, follows classic patterns of assimilation. In 1990, for instance, 64 percent of third-generation Mexican-American children spoke only English at home. In 2000, the numbers had risen to 71 percent.
Pockets in the Southwest and California seemingly lend credibility to the idea that Spanish will somehow ''overtake'' English. But even in the Mexican-migration heavy California, old patterns of assimilation play out, the study found.
This country has done great damage in the past under the code of learning English as a necessity to ''become American.'' Laws in the past put criminal penalties to teachers who dared to teach in anything but English.
Language has been used as an excuse to segregate children on playgrounds. And too much public policy has been influenced without the understanding that true language fluency can take seven years of concentrated study.
Educators used to equate bilingualism with a sort of confusion for children. Now it is well understood that the ability to speak more than one language improves a child's cognitive skills.
Perhaps in the future, the old joke about Americans' inability to speak more than English will cease to be true. Americans in the future will still prefer English for commerce, entertainment, the major workings of government. But they possibly may have the gift of other languages as well.
English is not in danger.
But, it is hoped, the American arrogance toward foreign languages is beginning a slow, long-overdue death.
©2004 The Kansas City Star

Nothings changed. Same thing I saw as a kid, grandparents speak english poorly or not at all(never spoke english at home), parents are bilingual, 3 rd generation kids like me know only english. Some of my cousins are bilingual. Is it any different with Mexicans? NO, 71% of 3 rd generation ONLY speak english. 29% being bilingual is a little higher then I've seen in the past, but I think this is a good thing. Sure wish my parents hadn't given in to the same prejudice and social pressure we can see is still around today.

73, Marty WB2RJR

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (kg4foy @ Jan. 10 2005,17:35)]Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Jan. 10 2005,16:00)]Did you know that nine of the first eleven American Presidents had Welsh roots.
The majority of the pilgrim Fathers were also Welsh.
It does not fill me with pride to state these facts , seeing the way they turned out
RCM
Ever thing that there is a good reason that they left? Don't act soo smart when your still supporting the largest single welfare recipiant in the world... The Royal Family.


Maybe hey came to america to deepen the gene pool, to ensure that due to future genitics their childeren would be able to have straight teeth!
If you refer yourself to the New Forum thread, where I mentioned that you must have failed you're history exam,
I am now convinced that you also failed in English Grammar,according to you're last post.
If, as you claim you are a paramedic I would hate it if you wrote my medical report.
Would it be something along the lines of ,
"Tis paitent i find on tha rood havin bin nocked dowm by a truk suffeirn wid a neomo thoracks, gave him som oxigon and #aspirin".
No thanks I'll take my chances somewhere else
RCM

[gw4rcm]

And Foy if you are still following, pay attention now,
The callsign is a give away, GW it's Welsh ,
the Royal Family is English.
I hate to admit it but they are a big tourist attraction.
The teeth are straight and white, I do not wear hawaii shirts or Bermuda shorts and I do not have a pot belly.
I will not try to sell you Tower Bridge in London, that has been sold to another American who paid for it but has still not collected.If you know him let us know.
GW4RCM (AKA) as Welsh

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (N9KZU @ Jan. 09 2005,11:57)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 10 2005,10:55)]We deserve what we are getting now. Its like reaping back what we did to the indigenous peoples here and the Hispanics in the SW.
I've never done anything to the indigenous peoples here or the Hispanics in the SW.
I like that spirit. Thats what I say about owning negro slaves or killing jews....it ain't me.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 09 2005,15:53)]#If someone sat down with the group who was not fluent in English they would immediately switch to Spanish. #If an "Anglo" sat down, they would immediately switch to all English. #This was not with any conscious effort, it was just what they did.
I envy those people who are completely fluent in both and able to switch or mix with no effort.

I almost always put my lousy spanish on anyone who I think speaks Spanish/Mexican (as a way of practice/remembering what I know). On this side of the border I'm met with: OK you're practicing your fractured spanish on me..... to, I speak English you dumb *ss, do you think I'm some mono lingual Mexican moron?....but on the Mexican side I get the machine gun full blown rapid return like I know or should know it perfectly or, the warmest reception as some guero who is trying to speak their tongue.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Jan. 09 2005,15:59)]dudes if these folks want to live in our neck of the woods, then they need to learn the lingo or get the hell out.
Blunt...and to the point...BTW what is your avatar? Is that a gold I beam with a humming bird on it?....help me here.

[kz9u]

Well heck I'm German and I never touched a Jew.. Born in the States, but descended from German settlers.. Nor do I think what the German army (Not people..Army) did to the Jewish population of Europe was good or just. But to hear you tell it, because there is heritage there, I'm just as guilty.. How many generations out do you have to go before you stop blaming people for their ancestor's actions? If you were being tongue in cheek with that comment, I missed it and I'm sorry.. But you said "what we did" to those people, and I'm not taking the blame for things that happened YEARS before I was born..

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ Jan. 09 2005,16:48)]am I missing anything else? #
modesty....keeping one's self covered at all times, such as when washing, swimming, and having sex. Nothing more evil than the naked human body.
Brestfeeding the baby?.......sorry not allowed.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 09 2005,18:35)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 09 2005,17:10)]Frankly, I missed those! #Thank you for calling them to my attention.

WK: #You need to "clean up" your posts as well else suffer.

UEY: #Same thing.

Anyone else? #Same thing!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators
Hey Glen,
That is NOT my QUOTE that FOY gave you. #I DO NOT use That Kind Of Language!!!

I supported Kerry, #Why would I ever Post something like that. #You SHOULD have caught that!!!!

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kc7jty

kc7jty





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Posted: Jan. 08 2005,18:48
Quote (N6WK @ Jan. 06 2005,17:49)
Too bad the slight majority didn't figure it out before Nov 2.

Yeah...Right...like that *ss h*le Kerry would have been a better choice.

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I knew this was coming....just didn't know how long it would take though.

The man who robs a bank is wise not to admit it to the cop who stops him on the getaway for having a tail light out and asks "you know why I'm stopping you don't you?

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Jan. 10 2005,18:00)]I am now convinced that you also failed in English Grammar,according to you're last post.
You try writing on a palm pilot w/o a keyboard,(not all of us sit in front of our computers all day) sometimes the characters just don't turn out right.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 10 2005,20:31)]Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Jan. 07 2005,04:13)]Yo soy un pendejo grande.
So Steve, When You say this, do you mean it??


A big one Huh???
looks like a comment worthy of moderation to me...

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (WB2RJR @ Jan. 09 2005,18:57)]But they possibly may have the gift of other languages as well.
Lo dudo. No es posible.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 09 2005,20:13)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 11 2005,03:01)]I knew this was coming....just didn't know how long it would take though.

The man who robs a bank is wise not to admit it to the cop who stops him on the getaway for having a tail light out and asks "you know why I'm stopping you don't you?
Yea, #Thanks for being a "STAND UP" guy!
Fear of the truth is something that does not exist in me.

[kc7jty]

Did you know the word "VERGA" has a legitimate use in the English language? It means rain that evaporates before it hits the earth....honest, I heard that on the weather channel.

[WB2RJR]

That's virga.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (WB2RJR @ Jan. 09 2005,20:27)]That's virga.
OOPPS!

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 09 2005,20:37)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 11 2005,03:01)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 09 2005,18:35)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 09 2005,17:10)]Frankly, I missed those! #Thank you for calling them to my attention.

WK: #You need to "clean up" your posts as well else suffer.

UEY: #Same thing.

Anyone else? #Same thing!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators
Hey Glen,
That is NOT my QUOTE that FOY gave you. #I DO NOT use That Kind Of Language!!!

I supported Kerry, #Why would I ever Post something like that. #You SHOULD have caught that!!!!

That Post was made by
kc7jty

kc7jty





Group: Ham Members
Posts: 1677
Joined: May 2001
Posted: Jan. 08 2005,18:48
Quote (N6WK @ Jan. 06 2005,17:49)
Too bad the slight majority didn't figure it out before Nov 2.

Yeah...Right...like that *ss h*le Kerry would have been a better choice.

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I knew this was coming....just didn't know how long it would take though.

The man who robs a bank is wise not to admit it to the cop who stops him on the getaway for having a tail light out and asks "you know why I'm stopping you don't you?
So did you send an Email or PM to Glen and Fess up so he could Post a (Public) #Apology to me,
Or do you Hope he'll miss it and you'll get away with your Profanity and have the Blame put on me ??
My post about the bank robber applies here, but my admission evidence still stands in print. You calling Kerry ^#@^%$ is rather funny if you ask me.

[kc7jty]

Thats the point. The thing arises from the misunderstanding that a certain person thought YOU would/could/did call Kerry that which was previously mentioned.

[K9STH]

WK:

Since I can't find the post that FOY quoted, you are "off the hook"! And I appologize for "jumping on you" if the quotation definitely was not made!

Now, everyone, clean up your language and acts!

Glen, K9STH

[kc7jty]

WK is innocent!!

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 10 2005,17:03)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 11 2005,18:41)]WK is innocent!!
Thank You.
Now that your case has been dropped, what was it like being locked up with Robert Blake, Scott Peterson, Charlie Manson? Can you give us any inside info?

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 11 2005,12:41)]WK is innocent!!
yeah, right, next you're going to tell us "ewe waz framed"




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[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Jan. 12 2005,01:34)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 11 2005,12:41)]WK is innocent!!
yeah, right, next you're going to tell us "ewe waz framed"




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Looks like a 45 cal. hole? Whats you shootin...1911 A-1?

[kg4kww]

I just went into the crapper here at the funeral home and it stunk worse that a week old cadaver. I'm going to talk to my employee about his eating habits. WUUUUUUUUU what a stink!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Gas Mask Anyone!!!

[N0KLT]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Jan. 13 2005,12:46)]I just went into the crapper here at the funeral home and it stunk worse that a week old cadaver. I'm going to talk to my employee about his eating habits. WUUUUUUUUU what a stink!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Gas Mask Anyone!!!
How many places and how many times are you going to share that d*** piece of disgusting information. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 10 2005,20:24)]Well, You see, I supported Kerry. I never called him anything other then Better for the Job then Bush.
I found it incredible that during the election campaign, some people were attacking Kerry because he speaks French.

Some people take pride in their ignorance.

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Jan. 13 2005,21:24)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Jan. 10 2005,20:24)]Well, You see, #I supported Kerry. #I never called him anything other then Better for the Job then Bush.
I found it incredible that during the election campaign, some people were attacking Kerry because he speaks French.

Some people take pride in their ignorance.
Ignorant is fashionable among many in this country. It's a sad development.

I love how many of these types claim to know it all, while spouting cliches of course, but can't spell. Please don't forget to add a heavy dose of anger and righteous indignation to the grammatically challenged toxic mix. Don't forget the xenophobia while you're at it...

Dave WX7B

Proud not to be stupid, CA.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Jan. 13 2005,02:56)]Proud not to be stupid, CA.
Pretty unAmerican I'd say. Most Americans are very proud of their stupidity, not to mention ignorance, and the complete ease with which they can be controlled by the media/forces that be.

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 14 2005,09:33)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Jan. 13 2005,02:56)]Proud not to be stupid, CA.
Pretty unAmerican I'd say. Most Americans are very proud of their stupidity, not to mention ignorance, and the complete ease with which they can be controlled by the media/forces that be.
Is that so.? and there was me thinking I was the only one in the world to think that.
I could never look another American in the face again,without thinking there's another 51% of them out there somewhere.
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RCM

[m3ihs]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Jan. 14 2005,14:28)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 14 2005,09:33)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Jan. 13 2005,02:56)]Proud not to be stupid, CA.
Pretty unAmerican I'd say. Most Americans are very proud of their stupidity, not to mention ignorance, and the complete ease with which they can be controlled by the media/forces that be.
Is that so.? and there was me thinking I was the only one in the world to think that.
I could never look another American in the face again,without thinking there's another 51% of them out there somewhere.
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RCM
Be careful RCM them buggers sneeze and we catch the cold

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (m3ihs @ Jan. 14 2005,18:38)]Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Jan. 14 2005,14:28)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 14 2005,09:33)]Quote[/b] (WX7B @ Jan. 13 2005,02:56)]Proud not to be stupid, CA.
Pretty unAmerican I'd say. Most Americans are very proud of their stupidity, not to mention ignorance, and the complete ease with which they can be controlled by the media/forces that be.
Is that so.? and there was me thinking I was the only one in the world to think that.
I could never look another American in the face again,without thinking there's another 51% of them out there somewhere.
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RCM
Be careful RCM them buggers sneeze and we catch the cold
Not to worry OM, we 49% are holding our breath to see whats next, so sneezing is out of the question... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

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