W2SL Why are you stoping the fun?

[VK2XXL]

Have a look here guys. Half the topics have been locked by W2SL why? Its only some fun?

[VK2XXL]

Not to mention deleting my post all together on the big three or four. Life needs humour.

[KB1GYQ]

I agree! He's got no sense of humor!

[VK2XXL]

we need to speak to the editors about this im writting out an Email. All others should before he deletes this one too

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (vk2xxl @ Jan. 06 2005,12:28)]we need to speak to the editors about this im writting out an Email. All others should before he deletes this one too
I'm kinda waiting for someone to flip and start another round of banning people. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[VK2XXL]

Hmmm Life needs humour anyway. I dont see how this is doing any harm

[w3sy]

Hmmm... I was unaware that WS2L was a moderator. In any case, it looks like some of the threads he locked were Trollfests. I don't blame him.

[WS2L]

I apologize is anyone was offended by the closing of these threads, the closings were authorized by Fred (AA7BQ). If you feel strongly about it I encourage you to write to Fred directly and voice your displeasure.

I will send a copy of this thread to Fred via email.

[K9STH]

WS2L (not W2SL) locked down the threads and I deleted them. Frankly, of all of the QRZ.com modertors I am probably the most lenient. But, there is a limit to propriety and, in my opinion, those threads "crossed the line".

Every so often a few people have to be reminded that QRZ.com is NOT a site on which "anything goes". It is a privately owned site that the general public, especially amateur radio operators, are allowed to use. However, it is just like someone sitting in my living room and conversing with me. If I do not like the topic I can certainly choose to change the subject. If you keep keep bringing up the same subject I can certainly escort you to the door.

There are sites on the Internet where "anything goes" and if you wish to discuss things like proposing the assination of the the President of the United States you can certainly go over to one of them and continue your discussion. But, such topics are NOT appropriate for QRZ.com. As such, WS2L locked them down. Using my criteria for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable I deleted them.

You can take your complaints to AA7BQ, Fred Lloyd, the owner of QRZ.com. If he agrees with you then you can certainly repost the subjects. However, please be warned that so far Fred has not overturned any of my rulings. Is it possible that he might do so? Sure! But don't count on it!

Sometimes it takes a "2 X 4 to the head" to get some people's attention. Sometimes it seems that someone comes around and just likes to cause problems. Since Fred cannot be everywhere at all times he has asked a number of people to be moderators and, in general, he "backs them up". The "Talk & Opinions" forums have slightly "looser" rules than the rest of the forums on QRZ.com. However, you still cannot bring up any topic and expect it to "fly".

As such, I definitely encourage you to take your complaints to the "higher ups". But, be also warned that continuing to cause problems on QRZ.com may just result in you joining the very small, but definitely appropriate, list of the permantly banned.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[KB1GYQ]

And just what is so inappropriate about my pair of polls attempting to determine if there is more humility in questions of religion or in questions of morse code usage??!

[W8EFA]

The one Thread may have been in Jest but when I saw George W. Bush as a choice for who you would like to Kill - I got a physical pit in my stomach - That is not funny!

[WF7I]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 06 2005,10:00)]There are sites on the Internet where "anything goes" and if you wish to discuss things like proposing the assination of the the President of the United States you can certainly go over to one of them and continue your discussion.
I thought that's one of the purposes of "rag chew central" -- to discuss the "assination" of our president! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

(sorry, couldn't resist. You make so few typos that one has to pounce at the chance)

[w3sy]

I support this philosophy, even though I have been on the "business end" of a couple wrist slappings during the years I've posted on QRZ. This kind of thoughtful moderation is what separates QRZ from some of the Brand-X discussion boards that feature garbage that many adolescents would consider childish.

To me, this isn't censorship. It's a reminder that this is a good place for discussions if you are a grownup and want to converse with other grownups.

Aiiight?? Well, rock on. And, uh, Bababooey to y'all.

[n9zxk]

Glen

I allways wanted to ask this.. Anyone who was banned from qrz ever giving a 2nd chance. If not would it ever happen.

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Jan. 06 2005,10:09)]The one Thread may have been in Jest but when I saw George W. Bush as a choice for who you would like to Kill - I got a physical pit in my stomach - That is not funny!
Missed what got deleted but if that was on one of them, then you definately are bringing down the wrath of somone on the board. Its pretty much a crime to even mess around and say that. I dont like the guy and even I dont mess around with that. Bad Ju-Ju

[WS2L]

To all members in this thread,

As I am human and prone to make errors in judgement at times I apologize to those who may have been offended by my closing of certain polls today. I have no problem admitting that I am wrong and will do so when I am show same. At this time 3 of the 6 polls locked have now been reopened, they are the 3 "Are you better" threads. To the original posters of these threads I extend a personal apology to you directly. As you read through some of these threads sometimes it is difficult to decide what crosses the line especially in the Ragchew section. I have been a Moderator for this site for over a year now, I just recently have had the time (Unfortunately due to illness) to have time to post on this wonderful site. We are all adults here and I hope that those involved will accept my humble apology. Thank you

[AG3Y]

Dave, I don't know if you really need to apologize, or not. But re: the "are you better" threads, especially the ones having to do with reading the Bible and other Religious issues. It really doesn't matter how many times you read a religious book. The whole thing boils down to this. I can start swimming from the East Coast toward Europe. So can a whole bunch of other people. I am a terrible athlete, so I am probably going to drown before I get more than 10 miles off shore. Others might be better, so they may go 20, 50 or more miles before they too drown. The point I'm making is that no one is going to make it to Europe on their own !

Neither is anyone going to make it to Heaven ( no matter what their particular concept of that Eternal Place is ) on their own !

So the point of most of those polls is rather. . . . pointless ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73, and keep up the good work. I know you are doing your best ! Jim

[K9STH]

7I:

I was "biting my fingertips" (like "biting one's tongue") to keep my response "toned down"!

For everyone else:

Frankly, I hadn't looked at the three threads that were reopened. The two that I deleted included the one with the topic of who you would like to actually kill. That particular one was not just questionable, but was WAY OVER THE LINE!

As for whether or not I close down a thread it has to be really "outstanding" in its "badness" before I will shut it down. Even worse before I will completely delete it. Some things, like the "ignore it" thread in the Questions & Answers forum is so "far out" with the responses that it not only has been allowed to continue but hasn't even been moved to the more appropriate forum. However, the vast majority of posts in that particular thread are just plain funny and allow a bit of "comic relief".

I try to be as "even handed" as possible. Sometimes you might not agree with me and sometimes you do agree with me. However, I hope that everyone respects my decisions even if they disagree with them. Although I definitely want to be "liked", I want the respect of people even more.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[WS2L]

Jim (AG3Y) and all others,

I was not asked or told to apologize about my actions this morning I chose to do so because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. Of the polls I locked half of them were returned by request of upper management and I follow those requests without argument. I have been quietly moderating here for almost a year and a half and the sheer magnitude of postings I read daily would drive some people crazy. I'm not making excuses as at the time I used my best judgement and forwarded everything to Fred. I appreciate your support in this thread and hope others understand that moderating a website this large is no easy deal. I chose to apologize to put my mind at ease in knowing that I learned something from a mistake. We all make mistakes, some more serious than others but I can & will admit publicly when I'm wrong. I will continue to try to help keep this website #1 in the Amateur Radio community as best I can, but like I said previously we all make mistakes. We live in a society where you can not please everyone and I read postings every day that I don't agree with but I also realize that it is not my place to decide what people should or should not talk about. Of all the posts locked, half of my decisions were overturned and I can live with that. This is why I sent a copy of each thread over to Fred via email to make the final decision. This way if I did make an error the threads in question could be reopened.

Again my apologies

73's
Dave # WS2L
One of the Moderators @ QRZ.com

[KB9YCO]

Advocating the killing of pretty much anyone is just a stupid move, especially when it's the president. There was a guy on a local repeater in my area a few years back that made a comment about how someone should kill Clinton, never said he would, and the local sheriff showed up at his house with the FBI and Sercret Service in tow. Regardless of whether or not it's a joke, it's not a smart thing to mess around with, certainly in a time of war and much conflict and political strife.
Also, as has been mentioned more than once, QRZ is a PRIVATE site, they are well within their rights to set all the limits they want, it has nothing to do with free speech. If you want free speech then get your own website.
I personally don't always agree with everyone here, nor all of the moderators decisions, but I understand their positions and I am grateful that they provide a forum as diverse and liberal in content as this one.

[KC9ANQ]

I agree with moderating, not that an explanation is required but a poll that I created was locked down and I just didnt understand it, it was a poll just to get people off the nasty topics. My poll was called simple poll 50% chance and the choices were yes or no thats it a chance at humor, sorry if I was over the line, the other one that was locked was another humor and the poll answers were OK and OK.

I apologize if my poll was taken out of context ,(dont know how) so if locking it down makes sense then good job.

humor is fun just look at this thread

test topic please ignore (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=68874) .

[KB1GYQ]

Yes, a note to moderators:

Topics about who to kill are bad. Good job in removing it.

Topics of controversy are what makes the world go round; as long as no one wants to kill someone, physically or metaphysically, they are the spice of life.

Topics that make no sense are a nice, safe way to vent. Unless the board is overwhelmed with them, why remove them and plug the safety vent?

[KC9ANQ]

Quote[/b] (n9zxk @ Jan. 06 2005,11:15)]Glen

#I allways wanted to ask this.. Anyone who was banned from qrz ever giving a 2nd chance. If not would it ever happen.
I was given a second chance and I try to watch my posting, there are a few post where, like Glen says, I BITE MY TONGUE.

When Glen reinstated me he gave me a good private message that said: when you are replying to a post finish the reply BUT DONT HIT ADD REPLY!!! walk away from the computer or open a new window and continue to browse the net for awhile, then come back and re-read your reply after you have "cooled" down. Well I have done this and it has helped alot I refuse to post a reply in most cases. Sometimes though, it "gets me" and I hit reply to fast, in this case I come back a few minutes later and delete my post, thank god for the delete option http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I have no problems being moderated as I like this forum and the structure.

I also belong and Moderate a few forums and some of the rules are not as good as here and the forum is going "wild" but I dont own them I delete and lcok down according to their rules. It is a tough job.

Thanks Glen and Dave for the reminder.

PS I think Dave just wants everyone to look at that cool Rickenbacker http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WF7I]

Talking about killing ANYONE, president or not, is not funny, even in jest. I totally understand deleting that one off QRZ.

I don't really think WS2L needed to apologize. Hey, it's your guy's website, and what you want to do is your business! We're all just here for the ride.

73

[KC0KBH]

Yeah, I liked my poll!

[K6UEY]

Let me add my appreciation for deleting the "KILL" thread.In truth when I saw it my first thought was a moderator was asleep at the switch, to let it appear at all.
Even a board that caters to 5 year olds and Kindergarten viewing knows better than to post some thing so totally lacking in decency and common sense.

Differing view points aside,there is no place for that apparent attitude to be displayed publically. In normal times with all the mentally questionable individuals running freely about,the subject is with out a doubt a forbidden area.
In these specific times with the threats to this country from the Religious Zealots of the world and the condition of WAR in exsistance, the cooperation of ALL it's citizens in America is required for the good of all concerned.
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[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (WF7I @ Jan. 06 2005,10:09)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 06 2005,10:00)]There are sites on the Internet where "anything goes" and if you wish to discuss things like proposing the assination of the the President of the United States you can certainly go over to one of them and continue your discussion.
I thought that's one of the purposes of "rag chew central" -- to discuss the "assination" of our president! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

(sorry, couldn't resist. #You make so few typos that one has to pounce at the chance)
I got assinated once by a proctologist and man o man did it hurt. Whew, glad thats over with.

P.S. I agree with the majority that even joking about killing anyone is not funny unless it's Osama Binladin. I think I'll get a chuckle out of it when they assinate him with a soldering iron.

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] ]proposing the assination of the the President of the United States

Thats a felony anyway...Great way to get the secret service to crawl up your A$$

[VK2XXL]

Well it seems as though i was a bit over the top about asking to kill somthing and it was only a joke

I think Gorege W Bush would be quite a nice guy and it would be a pleasure to meet him.

Maby i'll make my humour a little bit more un-primitive from now on. I have no problem with moderators doing there job. So keep on posting!!!

[K9STH]

XXL:

I have met George W. Bush several times and he is a very nice guy. Also met Laura. I was his father's escort at the Texas State Republican Convention in Dallas in 1992. A good friend of mine was Reagan's hunting partner for 2 days on a wild turkey hunt in south Texas. You can imagine the security clearance that it took not to only be around the President for that long but to also carry a loaded shotgun!

My local State Representative had a couple of "tickets" to go to a meeting with Reagan. He had planned on taking his wife but she is a nurse and got called to the hospital. He called me and asked if I wanted to go. It took less than 9 nano-seconds for me to answer. About 5 minutes later the representative drove up in front of my house and we were off to meet President Reagan.

In fact, I have met every President since Truman including Eisenhower except for Kennedy and Ford. I was only 8 years old when I met Eisenhower in 1952. Talked with Carter at length when he was running for Governor of Georgia (he was the keynote speaker at my wife's eldest niece's high school graduation in Tucker, Georgia, he is also a very nice person, just don't agree with how he was President). Don't "brag" about meeting Clinton but I did meet him.

Anyway, I definitely accept your appology for the thread and will let that pass as "spilled milk".

Glen, K9STH

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Jan. 06 2005,16:10)]Quote[/b] (WF7I @ Jan. 06 2005,10:09)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 06 2005,10:00)]There are sites on the Internet where "anything goes" and if you wish to discuss things like proposing the assination of the the President of the United States you can certainly go over to one of them and continue your discussion.
I thought that's one of the purposes of "rag chew central" -- to discuss the "assination" of our president! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

(sorry, couldn't resist. You make so few typos that one has to pounce at the chance)
I got assinated once by a proctologist and man o man did it hurt. Whew, glad thats over with.

P.S. I agree with the majority that even joking about killing anyone is not funny unless it's Osama Binladin. I think I'll get a chuckle out of it when they assinate him with a soldering iron.
It would make it a lot easier for you if you had my proctologist. She's a doll. Unfortunately there is nothing on her she will permit me to check. She likes to play doctor, but I have to play patient. No reversing of the roles.

Darn.

Ed

[VK2XXL]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 07 2005,13:31)]XXL:

I have met George W. Bush several times and he is a very nice guy. Also met Laura. I was his father's escort at the Texas State Republican Convention in Dallas in 1992. A good friend of mine was Reagan's hunting partner for 2 days on a wild turkey hunt in south Texas. You can imagine the security clearance that it took not to only be around the President for that long but to also carry a loaded shotgun!

My local State Representative had a couple of "tickets" to go to a meeting with Reagan. He had planned on taking his wife but she is a nurse and got called to the hospital. He called me and asked if I wanted to go. It took less than 9 nano-seconds for me to answer. About 5 minutes later the representative drove up in front of my house and we were off to meet President Reagan.

In fact, I have met every President since Truman including Eisenhower except for Kennedy and Ford. I was only 8 years old when I met Eisenhower in 1952. Talked with Carter at length when he was running for Governor of Georgia (he was the keynote speaker at my wife's eldest niece's high school graduation in Tucker, Georgia, he is also a very nice person, just don't agree with how he was President). Don't "brag" about meeting Clinton but I did meet him.

Anyway, I definitely accept your appology for the thread and will let that pass as "spilled milk".

Glen, K9STH
Thanks Glen and WOOOOW! You lucky man!!! Well anyway im Sorry to George W Bush again and you guys must think he does a dam good job cos you put him back in office. I do find Dave Leterman's little picks at him quite funny i might add!!

[K9STH]

That is one of our "freedoms", we can say and do about anything so long as it doesn't violate the law. The law allows parady, etc., which would get people into very "hot water" if not result in them being "eliminated" in other countries.

Of course we, in general, do have our "limits". But, those are generally social and not absolute.

Glen, K9STH