Tech Plus upgrade

[WB1FXN]

Does anyone know if it is true that a licenced Tech Plus can grandfather the liscense up to general class, I have heard that because of the change of code requirements that you can just file with FCC nd upgrade/
thanks Mike/WB1FXN

[kc7jty]

I think it has to be before a certain year. Back when the written was the General and the wpm was 13.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (WB1FXN @ Dec. 22 2004,18:00)]Does anyone know if it is true that a licenced Tech Plus can grandfather the liscense up to general class, I have heard that because of the change of code requirements that you can just file with FCC nd upgrade/ # #
thanks # Mike/WB1FXN
if you got your tech before they seperated the tech and general class written test, you have to show proof that you were licenced before that date. you might or might not have to take the current tech written.

i was licenced back in the mid 70s and eventually let it lapse.

some one told me that if i could show proof that i held the tech before the date they seperated the tech and general written test i could go to a test session and get credit for the code and general written tests. all i had to do was pass the current tech written to get the general.

so, here i am! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

ate yeers agow i coodnt evin spel ekstra, now i ar wun!
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[N7AAO]

Here's the deal:

If your unexpired Technician Plus license was issued prior to 3/21/87, and you can prove it, you can get credit for Elements 1, 2, and 3... in other words, instant General.

You can see the rules in the ARRL VE manual, Chapter 6 (http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/vemanual/VEman-ch6.pdf), page 42. (link to .PDF of Chapter 6.)

[ai4ep]

Take the written and morse code tests to become a GENERAL, and when you pass both the written and morse code tests, you will know that you have passed the MINIMUM qualifications to be a GENERAL class operator.

Simple, wasnt it ?

[ke4pjw]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 21 2004,22:54)]Take the written and morse code tests to become a GENERAL, and when you pass both the written and morse code tests, you will know that you have passed the MINIMUM qualifications to be a GENERAL class operator.

Simple, wasnt it ?
Or you can do what was said two posts up and take credit for the 5wpm and general class exams you have already passed.

[ae2ny]

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Here we go again... the mentality of gimme gimme gimme. I'd better stay out of this one. *$%& freeloaders.

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Anthony - KI4VPR

[ai4ep]

VPR --- tht is why I stated what I stated...so if he took the time & effort to pass the WRITTEN & MORSE CODE for a general class license, there would be no doubt about what class he is in.

But as you and every one else can see... " gimme, gimme, gimme " is at it again !!

Some folks are always looking for some teeny tiny LOOPHOLE that they can go through to keep from having to pass those " oh, way too easy " tests.

If they could / would spend half as much time STUDYING as they do looking for a LOOPHOLE, they would have already passed the very tests they are trying to avoid.

[K0RGR]

If the man passed the Tech exam in the 70's before they split the test, that's a much tougher test than anything they've had since. In other words, he's already passed a much harder General test than what they give today, so no, there's no reason he should have to do it over again. If he let his license lapse, or if he got the Tech Plus after the big split, then he needs Element 3, so we can all be sure he knows enough not to fry himself with RF - something we oldtimers were all assumed to be smart enough not to do, but you newbies had to prove.

[KC0NBW]

i agree with k0rgr !

i did not get something for nothing.

i was given credit for the code and written tests i took at the fcc office back in the 70s.

i had to take the tech written test that was current in 2002, and i got the general.

then i went to a test session on june 1st and got the
extra.

if the extra test is as easy as most seem to think, why are extras the smallest of the three current classes?

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 23 2004,10:21)]...if the extra test is as easy as most seem to think, why are extras the smallest of the three current classes?
Because those of us that hold the Advanced ticket want to keep it. I thought everyone knew that.

K6BBC

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 22 2004,21:54)]Take the #written and morse code tests to become a GENERAL, and when you pass both the written and morse code tests, you will know that you have passed the MINIMUM qualifications to be a GENERAL class operator.

Simple, wasnt it ?
EP:

If he is a Tech Plus he's already passed his code test.

Gotta pay attention to the details, ya know.

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[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Dec. 23 2004,12:01)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 23 2004,10:21)]...if the extra test is as easy as most seem to think, why are extras the smallest of the three current classes?
Because those of us that hold the Advanced ticket want to keep it. #I thought everyone knew that.

K6BBC
advanced is not a current class! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

have you looked at the current extra test ?

i would like to see someone "memorize" all those questions and answers !

before i took the extra test for real, i tried the sample tests on qrz and just barely passed.

i got busy and studied the things i got wrong, and then found i could pass the sample tests most of the time.

when i took the real test i got three wrong, the guy that went there with me only got 2 wrong!


"ate yeers agow i coodent evin spel ekstra,now i are wun!"

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[ai4ep]

so why dont he/she/it take the GENERAL written test, pass it ( which is " oh so easy " ) and become a full fledged GENERAL......or.....take the EXTRA written ( which is really easier than the GENERAL test, but with more questions ) and become an EXTRA ?

Gee, just a few simple tests are all that is in the way of becoming an EXTRA ( like ME ! ): D

ai4ep

[ai4ep]

nbw... usn s who aare uther exstras aare sou prowd of yu, sinc yu leerned suc grate sppelin & prununcyiatshiun aftre yu pasd yur tiiests.

pas it awn !!

sprewd yur nuwlege wif uther fowlkes !!

ai4ep

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 23 2004,12:53)]nbw... usn s who aare uther exstras aare sou prowd of yu, sinc yu leerned suc grate sppelin & prununcyiatshiun #aftre yu pasd yur tiiests.

pas it awn !!

sprewd yur nuwlege wif uther fowlkes !!

ai4ep
i will do that after i figure out what language most of them understand! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 23 2004,12:49)]so why dont he/she/it take the GENERAL written test, pass it ( which is #" oh so easy " ) and become a full fledged GENERAL......or.....take the EXTRA written ( which is really easier than the GENERAL test, but with more questions #) and become an EXTRA ?

Gee, just a few simple tests are all that is in the way of becoming an EXTRA ( like ME ! ): # # D

ai4ep
Because he may (emphasize may) have already taken a test that the FCC considers equivalent to the current General. Why should he take it again?

[ai4ep]

...when you experts figure it out, let the rest of us ( who really dont give a darn in the first place ) know what your answers are.

I am still waiting for the delivery truck to come by with my new radio equipment that I know all of you pitched in and bought for me, so I will be louder and easier to hear ON THE RADIO for my CHRISTMAS gift !! { holding my breath }

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 23 2004,15:16)]...when you experts figure it out, let the rest of us ( who really dont give a darn in the first place ) know what your answers are.

I am still waiting for the delivery truck to come by with my new radio equipment that I know all of you pitched in and bought for me, so I will be louder and easier to hear ON THE RADIO #for my CHRISTMAS gift !! #{ holding my breath }
ai4ep, you're looking a bit purple there, better start breathing! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kj5t]

I have the Extra class book here. Its not not as easy at the general.. or atleast not to me.. There is a lot of stuff on there that I will have to learn.. then again I am trying to learn the stuff to maybe use one of these days.. not just pass the test...

When I got my general, my dad told me I had to have both elements 1 and 3 passed before i could invest in a radio.. I kind of wish he made me get the extra before I got the radio.. now I spend more time on the radio then I do working on my extra...

[NW7JU]

The current extra test is roughly the equivalent of the pre-2000 Advanced class test. Prior to the 2000 Restructuring, most of the theory was covered in the Advanced element 4a exam. 4b (The extra written) was mostly rules and regs pertaining to being a VE, it was very light on real radio theory. The hard part of Extra pre-2000 was Element 1c (the 20wpm code test).

Jeremy, NW7JU (Advanced class since 1995 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (NW7JU @ Dec. 23 2004,17:11)]The current extra test is roughly the equivalent of the pre-2000 Advanced class test. #Prior to the 2000 Restructuring, most of the theory was covered in the Advanced element 4a exam. #4b (The extra written) was mostly rules and regs pertaining to being a VE, it was very light on real radio theory. #The hard part of Extra pre-2000 was Element 1c (the 20wpm code test).

Jeremy, NW7JU (Advanced class since 1995 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )
then you should have no problem getting your extra by new years! right?

[ai4ep]

Just quit the griping / whining / bellyaching and take the tests...then when you pass, you will be advanced up to that level.

Or

Stay where you are, and continue being your natural self.

[K3UD]

I think it was always the 20 WPM requirement that acted as the filter for the Extra. The If you could pass the Advanced written you probably could have passed the Extra written exam.

The FCC also seems to think so, as they were reported to have "unofficially" concured with the ARRL's request to grant all Advanced licensees an instant upgrade to Extra, which would eliminate the Advanced, as a class. The was part of the the ARRL's proposed license restructure which was sent to the FCC.

While I think that members of the Advanced class should have a choice in the matter, I don't believe that the FCC wants the additional paperwork.

73 & Happy Holidays
George
K3UD

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (K3UD @ Dec. 23 2004,18:46)]I think it was always the 20 WPM requirement that acted as the filter for the Extra. The If you could pass the Advanced written you probably could have passed the Extra written exam.

The FCC also seems to think so, as they were reported to have "unofficially" concured with the ARRL's request to grant all Advanced licensees an instant upgrade to Extra, which would eliminate the Advanced, as a class. The was part of the the ARRL's proposed license restructure which was sent to the FCC.

While I think that members of the Advanced class should have a choice in the matter, I don't believe that the FCC wants the additional paperwork.

73 & Happy Holidays
George
K3UD
i have no objection to the advanced holders being moved up to extra, but i think any of the newer techs,code or no code should have to take the current general class written to gain those privileges.( the ones that were licenced after 87 )

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 23 2004,18:59)]K3UD
i have no objection to the advanced holders being moved up to extra...[/QUOTE]
Don't listen to him -- I want to keep my Advanced!

K6BBC

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Dec. 23 2004,20:25)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 23 2004,18:59)]K3UD
i have no objection to the advanced holders being moved up to extra...
Don't listen to him -- I want to keep my Advanced!

K6BBC[/QUOTE]
just think of all the new privileges you will have! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

i have had my extra for over 2 years now and i still have not been down in any of the extra subbands! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ai4ep]

shucks..that is the best part...being able to transmit where the GENERALS can not !!

hee hee hee

ai4ep

[KC0NBW]

eventually i will find some reason to go into the extra portion of some band!

everyone i want to talk to right now can be found in the general area.

no big deal !
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[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 23 2004,21:36)]eventually i will find some reason to go into the extra portion of some band! #

everyone i want to talk to right now can be found in the general area.

no big deal !
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But I'm not there.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Dec. 23 2004,21:44)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 23 2004,21:36)]eventually i will find some reason to go into the extra portion of some band! #

everyone i want to talk to right now can be found in the general area.

no big deal !
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But I'm not there.
neither am i right now! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[K3UD]

K6BBC,

I think I can understand why you would want to keep the Advanced. I felt that way for a long time also. I also know at least one Novice who feels the same way about her license.

The Advanced (and Novice) were the only licenses which remained essentially the same as it concerns testing requirements over the years. If you think about it, the Tech General and Extra went through a lot of changes.

(code dropped for Tech, creation of the Tech+, Code reduced for General and Extra, Hams with Techs issued before 3/87 getting upraded without testing)

I certainly did agree with the upgrade of the old Technician
class to General though, although it is interesting how many Techs who are eligible never applied for it.

The Novice and Advanced testing remained the same right up to the end. These ARE the legacy licenses in ham radio and if you want to keep on renewing them, you should have that option.

In the final analysis, the only real reason I got the Extra after 32 years as an Advanced was because of the possibility of getting a 1X2 call, something I always thought I would never have a chance to get.

73 and Happy Holidays
George
K3UD

[ai4ep]

" toodle - loo " ?

that must be some of that stuff that some folks only do / get once a year in front of the CHRISTMAS tree !!

{ poor tree }

happy holidays ...ai4ep