Hamas May Accept Co-Existence with Israel

[N7AAO]

Courtesy AP, via Yahoo!, via Captain's Quarters Blog (http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003231.php):

Quote[/b] ]In an apparent change in long-standing policy, a top Hamas leader said Friday the militant group would accept the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as well as a long-term truce with Israel. ...

"Hamas has announced that it accepts a Palestinian independent state within the 1967 borders with a long-term truce," Sheik Hassan Yousef, the top Hamas leader in the West Bank, told The Associated Press, referring to lands Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war.

Yousef said the Hamas position was new and called it a "stage." In the past, Hamas has said it would accept a state in the 1967 borders as a first step to taking over Israel. Yousef did not spell out the conditions for the renewable cease-fire nor did he say how long it would last.

"For us a truce means that two warring parties live side by side in peace and security for a certain period and this period is eligible for renewal," Yousef said. "That means Hamas accepts that the other party will live in security and peace."

Does this mean no more people blowing themselves up on buses and outside pizza parlors?

Only time will tell...

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[K8YS]

now that the old guy with the table cloth for a hat is dead (and he is still dead), I look for many positive changes.

Now, to keep the guys with the window curtains for hats and bed sheets for clothes out of the mix, and no more bimbo to support in PARIS, they can work and play well with others.

[al2n]

Translation:

"Now that Arafat is dead, there is nothing stopping Israel from blowing us off the map. Arafat would have been a marytr had he been killed. Now that the potential for a marytr is gone, it will soon be open season on us terrorist scumbags. "

"Therefore, in the interest of world peace, we will entertain the possibility of peace with Israel in an act of self preservation. We welcome any support for this effort from the gullible nations of the world and look foward to the nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize."

[k6pme]

I would comment but I would just be repeating RO.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KL1RO @ Dec. 03 2004,13:34)]Translation:

"Now that Arafat is dead, there is nothing stopping Israel from blowing us off the map. #Arafat would have been a marytr had he been killed. #Now that the potential for a marytr is gone, it will soon be open season on us terrorist scumbags. "

"Therefore, in the interest of world peace, we will entertain the possibility of peace with Israel in an act of self preservation. #We welcome any support for this effort from the gullible nations of the world and look foward to the nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize."
I sort of got that impression too. Amazing what can happen when people get scared. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k6pme]

Kinda reminds one Libya. Once in the 80's and again just recently.

[N7CPC]

They must be running out of Bozos to blow thier fool selves up! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[gw4rcm]

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Does this mean no more people blowing themselves up on buses and outside pizza parlors?

Only time will tell...

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Pizza? Israel?
Now I know what the problem is , HAM and tomato,Pepperoni, Salami, Bacon.
Case closed
RCM

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 03 2004,17:31)][

Does this mean no more people blowing themselves up on buses and outside pizza parlors?

Only time will tell...

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unclesam.gif
Pizza? Israel?
Now I know what the problem is , HAM and tomato,Pepperoni, Salami, Bacon.
Case closed
RCM[/QUOTE]
Since Israel welcomes both Jew and Gentile, including a number of Palestinians who live peacefully within its borders, I would not be surprised to see ham in an Israeli pizza place.

How many Arab countries welcome Jews?

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[kc2kde]

Quote[/b] (N7CPC @ Dec. 03 2004,17:17)]They must be running out of Bozos to blow thier fool selves up! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
If they're that dumb, send them out in the middle of a desert with some explosives and let them go to work! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Dec. 03 2004,18:22)]Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 03 2004,17:31)][

Does this mean no more people blowing themselves up on buses and outside pizza parlors?

Only time will tell...

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unclesam.gif
Pizza? Israel?
Now I know what the problem is , HAM and tomato,Pepperoni, Salami, Bacon.
Case closed
RCM
Since Israel welcomes both Jew and Gentile, including a number of Palestinians who live peacefully within its borders, I would not be surprised to see ham in an Israeli pizza place.

How many Arab countries welcome Jews?

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Now lets see if I can work this out, It,s getting late here.
Sharon would not speak to Arafat cos he hated him.
Arafat tried to make peace with Israel.
Sharon would have no talks with PLO cos of Arafat.
Hamas, the real villains of the peace especially with their military wing,say they might talk with Israel.
Sharon says he might talk to Hamas.
Arafat tried to reign in Hamas.
Not enough for Sharon.
So we have two ex terrorists, the Jewish leaders and the Hamas leaders talking peace.
May be hope yet.
Now what happens in this "peace" when the illegal Jewish settlers in the West Bank and Gaza are homeless,
will the Jews return to their terrorist ways.?
I think so.Who will you support then David.
RCM

[KC2HJN]

Quote[/b] ]Richard Sale, a UPI Correspondent, wrote an illuminating article on the origin of Hamas in which he pointed out that, "According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years."

Israel "aided Hamas directly ‑ the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War.

After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees in the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movement's success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge of poverty.

"Social influence grew into political influence, first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank", said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association with the name of Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers through religious propaganda and social work.

According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel itself. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.

"The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named. "Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said.

[N7AAO]

Jews and terrorist ways?

How many Jews blow up civilian buses?

How many Jews blow up civilian pizza places?

Your rampant anti-semitism is showing, sir.

Oh, and please learn to quote properly. There's a test forum area in the Open Forums section where you can practice.

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (KC2HJN @ Dec. 03 2004,19:08)]Quote[/b] ]Richard Sale, a UPI Correspondent, wrote an illuminating article on the origin of Hamas in which he pointed out that, "According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years."

Israel "aided Hamas directly ‑ the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War.

After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees in the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movement's success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge of poverty.

"Social influence grew into political influence, first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank", said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association with the name of Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers through religious propaganda and social work.

According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel itself. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.

"The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named. "Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said.
I rest my case.
Rcm

[kc2kde]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 03 2004,19:11)]Quote[/b] (KC2HJN @ Dec. 03 2004,19:08)]Quote[/b] ]Richard Sale, a UPI Correspondent, wrote an illuminating article on the origin of Hamas in which he pointed out that, "According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years."

Israel "aided Hamas directly ‑ the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War.

After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees in the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movement's success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge of poverty.

"Social influence grew into political influence, first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank", said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association with the name of Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers through religious propaganda and social work.

According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel itself. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.

"The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named. "Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said.
I rest my case.
Rcm
OOOH pretty quote! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KC2HJN @ Dec. 03 2004,19:08)]Quote[/b] ]Richard Sale, a UPI Correspondent, wrote an illuminating article on the origin of Hamas in which he pointed out that, "According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years."

Israel "aided Hamas directly ‑ the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War.

After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees in the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movement's success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge of poverty.

"Social influence grew into political influence, first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank", said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association with the name of Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers through religious propaganda and social work.

According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel itself. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.

"The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named. "Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said.
Typical. Not one link anywhere for us to check it out for ourselves. It's easy to make a quote that looks like a serious news story:

Quote[/b] ]NEW YORK - Today during the NBC Nightly News, Tom Brokaw revealed that he is really Elvis Presley in disguise.

"I wanted to try my hand at news," Presley said.

See?

I want something I can verify.

[gw4rcm]

Does the King David Hotel 1947 mean any thing to you David? It should do, it seems you were named after that atrocity,going by your ranting, Or is that conveniently forgotten.It was always in my Dads mind after he lost many friends murdered by your Jewish friends.
RCM

[n0ov]

Both sides must stop. Hate only breeds hate.

If Hamas can't stop using the Jews as target practice they deserve everything they get.

Enough is enough!

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 03 2004,23:42)]Does the King David Hotel 1947 mean any thing to you David? It should do, it seems you were named after that atrocity,going by your ranting, Or is that conveniently forgotten.It was always in my Dads mind after he lost many friends murdered by your Jewish friends.
RCM
RCM... taking your advise, I did look up the attack you mentioned and found this:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rnr/48540334.html

You know, the thing that leaped out at me, was the line from the British official when informed to the warning to evacuate the building was "We dont take orders from Jews"...

Interesting mind set.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 03 2004,19:42)]It should do, it seems you were named after that atrocity,going by your ranting,
Ahh, yes... more from the tolerant and compassionate left. Not content to be an anti-semite, now I am attacked because of my name.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (w0pee @ Dec. 03 2004,19:59)]Both sides must stop. Hate only breeds hate.

If Hamas can't stop using the Jews as target practice they deserve everything they get.

Enough is enough!
Very true. And I believe that you will see that if the attacks on Jews stop, so will the retaliation from the Israeli government.

It also seems clear that Arafat may have been the roadblock to peace all this time, if Hamas is offering it so soon after his demise. (He is still dead today, isn't he? Considering the "he's dead," "he's alive," "no, he's dead" coverage, it's a valid question.)

At this time, I am in "wait and see" mode. If the homicide bombings stop, then perhaps we can start trusting the new Hamas a bit more.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Dec. 03 2004,20:28)]You know, the thing that leaped out at me, was the line from the British official when informed to the warning to evacuate the building was "We dont take orders from Jews"...

Interesting mind set.
I am not certain, not being familiar with Anglicanism, but doesn't the Church of England teach that God has transferred all the promises He gave to the Jews to the Anglicans instead?

That might account for the "interesting mindset," ya know?

[w3sy]

Oh, I thought this was "Hams May Accept Co-Existence with Israel." My bad. I'll sit back down now.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Dec. 03 2004,20:54)]Oh, I thought this was "Hams May Accept Co-Existence with Israel." My bad. I'll sit back down now.
This ham does... some other posters in this thread, however, may not.

Draw your own conclusions. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[al2n]

I for one would welcome peace in the middle east.

I have always wanted to visit Jersalem and the surrounding area, but have been fearful of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[KC2HJN]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Dec. 03 2004,22:10)]Jews and terrorist ways?

How many Jews blow up civilian buses?

How many Jews blow up civilian pizza places?

Your rampant anti-semitism is showing, sir.

Oh, and please learn to quote properly. There's a test forum area in the Open Forums section where you can practice.
AAO

I'm starting (starting ?)to think you just like to argue regardless of the subject. Why is someone an anti-semite for criticizing the wrong doing of the Israeli government? BOTH sides commit these acts and both sides are at fault for the current situation, but god forbid someone criticize Israel. Right away they're an anti-semite. It's hypocritical.

(by the way, a semite is someone of middle eastern descent, not specificaly a Jew, so the Israelis themselves as well as all the 'kill the arab' people are also 'anti-semites', if you must)

A criticism of the actions of a government is not necessarily a criticism of that nations people. Thats a propoganda ploy used to gain support and has been used for thousands of years. You would think it would be transparent by now but unfortunately most still fall for it.

As for providing sources for a quote, the information is there for you to research if you want. I realize it doesn't jive with your position so you immediately dismiss it as false, as usual, but there is no need to write a book on an internet message board and hold you by the hand. You seem to have no problem using google when YOU want to prove a point.

Anyway, here's some interesting links

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html
http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/
http://www.janes.com/securit....n.shtml (http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr040929_1_n.shtml)
http://irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html