SACRE BLEU!

[w3sy]

AP, Paris, France
October, 29,2004

The French government today, in a statement to the world press,
advised that it's U.N. Terror Alert level was raised from "run" to "hide."

There are only two higher alert levels within French U.N Security
Plan, they are "surrender" and "collaborate."

The raise to the new alert level was precipitated by a recent fire
that destroyed the main French white flag factory, located just
off the beaches outside of Normandy, thus disabling the entire
French military.

There is no firm estimate of when military operations can resume.
An unnamed source within the government estimated that the
military may be required to be put on a high alert status,
with or without white flags if the U.S. State Department
proves that French President Jacques Chirac can be
indicted by the world court in Brussels, for his participation
in the "oil for food" program.

Mr. Chirac was quoted that, " If the national white flag crisis
persists the French government will be forced to call up the
Canadian Army, a force totally loyal to the French separatist
province of Quebec and the Paris government.

It is widely rumored that the three known white flag producing
plants in Quebec are making as many white flags as they can.
However, all excess production has been reserved for the new
U.S. administration should Senator John Kerry (D) Mass. and
the new U.S. Progressive Pacifist Democratic Party assume
control of the United States Government.....(Developing)

[KG4YUV]

Steve, have you heard of the new French cologne??

[KB5WX]

I didn't think that france had a " standing " army . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W3MIV]

Don't be silly. I have pictures of them standing. All with their hands on their heads or straight up in the air.


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[KB1GYQ]

One day, a long time ago now, a French general meet an English general and enquired as to the bright red color of the uniform. The Englishman replied that the color was so that if he were hit, his men wouldn't see him bleeding and thus wouldn't be demoralized. The Frenchman thought about this a while, and from that came the new French uniform, yellow in the front and brown in the back. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Nov. 02 2004,14:31)]I didn't think that france had a " standing " army . :D
You have to be fast to photograph them, though, as "standing" leads immediately to "running."

I shouldn't say that. I lived in France for two and a half years, and some of those French paratroopers were not dudes you wanted to mess with. One night in Strasbourg, a few of them got together and anyone who walked across the bridge over a canal or river, was grabbed, beaten, and tossed into the canal. OK, yeah, it did take five of them to do it. Maybe I need to revise my estimate downward. Ah well.

They sure 'stomped' some Algerians, though after a good night's drunk. I steered clear of French Army dudes. And the French gendarms were not to be messed with either. I got stopped by them one night, and as I rolled the window on my Citroen down, I found I was looking into the barrel of what appeared to be a Sten gun or maybe a US grease gun. I was too scared to care! They let me go, and I had not driven far when I heard a machine gun. I put the pedal to the medal and headed home, thankful it was not me on the receiving end of that!

On the other hand, some of the French ladies were pretty neat, if you didn't get caught in the hair under their arms.

Ed

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Nov. 02 2004,13:29)]AP, Paris, France
October, 29,2004

The French government today, in a statement to the world press,
advised that it's U.N. Terror Alert level was raised from "run" to "hide."

There are only two higher alert levels within French U.N Security
Plan, they are "surrender" and "collaborate."
run, hide, surrender and collaborate. Thats all the french can do anyway.

[ae4fa]

Which leads us to why they planted large trees along their major thoroughfares - so the Germans wouldn't have to march in the hot sun.

[ae4fa]

But, let's be fair. #Among the collaborators and the rifle-droppers, there was a small number of highly effective folk who worked in the resistance movement. #Their courage was exemplary.

Amazingly, among Americans of recent French descent, 100% claim resistance fighters as their ancestors.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (ae4fa @ Nov. 03 2004,21:21)]But, let's be fair. Among the collaborators and the rifle-droppers, there was a small number of highly effective folk who worked in the resistance movement. Their courage was exemplary.
There's always a few good individuals, even among the French or the Democrats... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif It's like the food issue http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif French peasant food is wonderful (like the people), but the "high class" stuff? Moudly this and rotten that - stuff only the starving would eat. The average guy/gal is never the problem; it's the politics and the system.

[w2wtf]

Quote[/b] (ae4fa @ Nov. 03 2004,18:17)]Which leads us to why they planted large trees along their major thoroughfares - so the Germans wouldn't have to march in the hot sun.
I cant't type this large enough LOL

here's a few more

Why do German Shepards lick thier asses?
Gets the taste of Frenchman out of thier mouth..

How can you identify a French Infantryman?
Sunburt armpits!!


What's the difference between toilet paper, and the French flag?
Nothing. #They're both all-white, and they share the same purpose.

what is orange and red and looks good on a frenchman?
Fire



Three doctors are at lunch when the one doctor brings up the easiest surgery he's ever done.

Dr.#1 'Ya know, I just did an operation on an accountant and, man, was it easy. I opened him up and everthing was in numerical order, completely in balance!'

Dr.#2 chimes in 'Oh, I can top that. Electricans are the best to operate on, everything is color coordinated.'

Dr.#3 laughs and says 'I have both of you beat. The easiest operation is on a Frenchman. #There are no guts, no spine, no balls and if you ever get confused...the head and ass are interchangable.'

to quote a few great men...........

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." —General George S. Patton

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." —Norman Schwartzkopf

------greatness ends here------------

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." —P.J O'Rourke (1989)

"The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq." —Dennis Miller

"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!" —Jay Leno

"The last time the French asked for 'more proof,' it came marching into Paris under a German flag." —David Letterman

[w3sy]

Jesus, that's a good post, FOY....

(wiping away tears from laughter...)

[n0ov]

Classic Steve --- RESPECT IS AUTHORITY

(Ok, W2WTF blew away any of Steve's posts on this thread, but we need more laughs like this around here)

[n2ize]

Why this ancient thread from 3 years ago was revived I can only imagine.

However in retrospect it gives us a good idea as to what Limbaugh and the AM talking heads were moaning about on that particular day. Great blast from the past.

[WA6MHZ]

I'll take the CORDON blew instead of the Sockray, Please.

[G0GQK]

Why don't Americans like the French ? All these comments about the French being cowards isn't true. Did no one in America ever read about the Napoleonic army, which marched through Europe killing and burning as it went. I'll tell you one thing, had this army been fighting in America you would most probably be eating more cheese and drinking more wine, because they would most probably have defeated an American army. So there !

G0GQK

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ Oct. 06 2007,12:50)]Why don't Americans like the French ? #All these comments about the French being cowards isn't true. Did no one in America ever read about the Napoleonic army, which marched through Europe killing and burning as it went. I'll tell you one thing, had this army been fighting in America you would most probably be eating more cheese and drinking more wine, because they would most probably have defeated an American army. So there !

G0GQK
The reason so many Americans were so bitter with "The French" at that time , 2004, was because the France did not drop to their knees and obey Bush and follow the USA into Iraq. The right wing talk show hosts were carrying on endlessly, calling French people chicken, cowards, etc. Quite naturally it was reflected on forums such as this. 90% ofthe time if I want to know what Rush is saying all I need to do is look at QRZ,

One interesting episode happened a year or so ago. While all the American neocon talk show hosts and their listeners were busy bickering and moaning about gay marriage the French were busy spending the day honoring the many brave Americans who fought in DDay and the Normandy invasion. How bout that.

[n0ov]

ize ...... you should do a little more homework before you try to link this to the about to be expresident.

Actually things started going south during the Cold War when France didn't want to ether give up their nukes or place them under NATO control. Lots of examples of he said, she said after that.

There are a lot of older Europeans that have similar celebrations every year because a lot of good folks from a lot of countries helped folks out of that mess.

Hey, if you ever go to the Netherlands, tell them your from Canada and see the reactions you get -- our friends up north liberated that country.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (n0ov @ Oct. 06 2007,15:54)]ize ...... you should do a little more homework before you try to link this to the about to be expresident.

Actually things started going south during the Cold War when France didn't want to ether give up their nukes or place them under NATO control. #Lots of examples of he said, she said after that.

There are a lot of older Europeans that have similar celebrations every year because a lot of good folks from a lot of countries helped folks out of that mess.

Hey, if you ever go to the Netherlands, tell them your from Canada and see the reactions you get -- our friends up north liberated that country.
This most recent reaction is due to what I stated. I remember the talking heads were having a field day claiming that France was supporting al queda by not supporting the Iraq war. And I remember seeing the same reaction on several bulleting boards and newsgroups.

Quote[/b] ]
There are a lot of older Europeans that have similar celebrations every year because a lot of good folks from a lot of countries helped folks out of that mess.


Yeah, and while they were busy honoring our soldiers the big topic here (and again a major issue with the talking heads) was the horrors of gay marriage.

[w5lda]

Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ Oct. 06 2007,07:50)]Why don't Americans like the French ? #All these comments about the French being cowards isn't true. Did no one in America ever read about the Napoleonic army, which marched through Europe killing and burning as it went. I'll tell you one thing, had this army been fighting in America you would most probably be eating more cheese and drinking more wine, because they would most probably have defeated an American army. So there !

G0GQK
Maybe the US should have stayed out of Europe,,then you would be speaking German and eating bratwurst and sauerkraut

[PA5COR]

Quote:
Hey, if you ever go to the Netherlands, tell them your from Canada and see the reactions you get -- our friends up north liberated that country
Unquote.

We honor ALL allied soldiers who liberated our country, American, Australian, Polish, Canadian, British, etc. Visit our well kept war memorials, and graveyards.

The Dutch have an special tie with the USA, the first country to officially recognise in treaty's the independant USA 200+ years back was Holland.
Lots of people from here emigrated to the USA, and do well there, for an small country we have percentagewise more emigrants over the centuries to the USA as any other country.

In every city or small town you will find the plaques for the fallen soldiers from WW2 and they are lovingly kept clean, and every year there is an memorial for them, we do not forget them.

Quote:
Maybe the US should have stayed out of Europe,,then you would be speaking German and eating bratwurst and sauerkraut
Unquote.

The most stupid remark i've read in days.

The Germans were close to make the atomic bomb, and would have been succesfull, before the USA had theirs.
They also had platforms ready to send those bombs to the USA.

An remark i resent, 25 million people died in WW2, many butchered innocent civilians, Jews etc in gas chambers, starved to death, beaten to death, etc.
In my family we had enough people executed for beeing in the resistance, in the family album is the last letter my uncle could send be4 he was shot at dawn.

You never had an full blown war on your soil, may God forbid it will ever happen, if you would have had one like WW2 you would not have written what you did.

Cor

[vk6zgo]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ Nov. 03 2004,20:38)]"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!" —Jay Leno
[QUOTE]

Was that in the 1914-18 war,or the #1939-45 war?

Oh that's right! Silly me !, you call them the 1917-18

war & the 1941-45 war!

VK6ZGO

[oh2gra]

"Only dead have seen the end of war"
Plato

[n0ov]

PA5COR --- I've experienced that. Visited the Netherlands twice -- a few weeks in 1974 with the American Youth Jazz Band and again when I was in the service in 1987 and 1988. Lived at Wouwse Plantage (great annual music festival) and never have been in a more wonderful country with such fantastic people. Winter Festival in Bergen op Zoom was a blast (Lived in Europe 1986 - 1990)

The thing I came away with is how much fun the Dutch get out of life, the importance of family, and the history. I also spent many a night with my neighbors reviewing photo albums such as you described and have nothing but respect for what your folks did to survive and help others. I've also lived in Belgium and France and the older folks have the same stories, pictures and honor their fallen family members.

Humor is one thing, but some of the comments made here are something else. When someone makes a comment about the US staying out of Europe the only thing I can say is they have no concept of history or the sacrifices that were made, not because folks decided to go to war, but they were stuck in the middle of an impossible situation. The only thing that is worse is the revisionist historians who want to make believe none of that ever happened -- and that would be a crime

Lewes Delaware was one of the first Dutch settlements in the US -- if you ever make it over this side of the pond check it out.

[WA6MHZ]

Quote[/b] (w5lda @ Oct. 07 2007,01:08)]Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ Oct. 06 2007,07:50)]Why don't Americans like the French ? #All these comments about the French being cowards isn't true. Did no one in America ever read about the Napoleonic army, which marched through Europe killing and burning as it went. I'll tell you one thing, had this army been fighting in America you would most probably be eating more cheese and drinking more wine, because they would most probably have defeated an American army. So there !

G0GQK
Maybe the US should have stayed out of Europe,,then you would be speaking German and eating bratwurst and sauerkraut
Don't forget this is OKTOBERFEST time!!! I can't wait to get some wonderful Bratworst Knockworst and Saurkraut!!! Plus plenty of Great German beer to wash it down!!

[PA5COR]

Quote:
Don't forget this is OKTOBERFEST time!!! I can't wait to get some wonderful Bratworst Knockworst and Saurkraut!!! Plus plenty of Great German beer to wash it down!!
Unquote.

The latest generation of Germans is deeply aware of the horrors of WW2.
I did, and do visit Germany regularly, as avid gunowner and target shooter, and have many good conversations with them.


My feelings are still coloured about Germany, and Germans, i'll not go into detail what our family suffered in WW2, just that the executed uncle and my father worked in the underground, and also in the line that brought shot down airman back to the UK through Belgium/France/Spain.

Remember history, be4 we make the same mistakes over and over again.
Our history is tainted as well, we ruled the world in 1600 - 1700 in our "golden century" and we Dutch invented slavery...

Born in 1952, i luckily never had to see an war in my country, and hope it never will happen again.
The French and Belgium people suffered through BOTH WW, when you are over in Europe, just walk into an church, and take an look at the sacrifices that local people made in those 2 wars.

Then you maybe can understand people get sick of war and personal losses in loved ones.
When the USA lost 60.000 young man in Vietnam it was enough to pull out of the war.
When an country like France lost Millions of people on an much smaller total number of inhabitants, you start to think different.

We go to France every year on our holliday, and speaking an bit of french, people are nice, helpfull and friendly.

It looks as if Europeans have more respect for the USA as otherwise, luckily there are good exceptions as i read.

For me it is an deep respect for all that fell here in their time to liberate us, so that i can do what i'm doing now, live free, and beeing able to live the live i live now.
For that every country that send their soldiers here for that purpose, they have my deepest respect, as wel for the people that come over here.

Cor.

[N9LCD]

PA5COR:

You are absolutely wrong.

The Germans were NO WHERE NEAR TO BEING CLOSE to having a nuclear bomb at the end of WW II. They were SEVERAL HUNDRED LITERS SHORT OF HEAVY WATER to fire-up their FIRST REACTOR, much less building a bomb.

Our big fear at Normandy was Cobalt 60 contamination of the invasion beaches. THAT'S WHY THE FIRST TROOPS ASHORE WERE CLOSELY GUARDED ENGINEERS CARRY GEIGER COUNTERS!

As for being close to a delivery system, the V-2 was truly way ahead of its time. But the best it could do was hit London -- AND NOT THAT ACCURATELY! The Nazi command (not the military command) was TOO STUPID to use these weapons against ports and other targets that would really hurt the war effort.

JERRY

N9LCD

[n0ov]

Wow -- someone missed the point.

[n0ov]

Quick break from the discussion.. BRING BACK STEVE... Ok, now that is out of the way

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Oct. 06 2007,20:03)]The reason so many Americans were so bitter with "The French" at that time , 2004, was because the France did not drop to their knees and obey Bush and follow the USA into Iraq.
And now, the French could say "we told you so".

Last I heard, a majority of Americans have admitted as much, that France was right all along. Polls show that over 50% of Americans now believe the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

But the French people have maintained their dignity. I have not heard a single report of anyone publicly gloating over the US's misfortunes in Iraq.

[PA5COR]

Iraq should have been sorted the first time, the world would have had no problem with it then.

About beeing wrong in WW2, if the USA would not have stepped in the UK would not have be able to do what was done after the massive help in ships/planes/personel and goods from the USA.
Direct intervention of Hitler was the cause the V1's and V2's were aimed at London, till the last of the war, not the german command, wich wanted to use them on the invasion taskforce.
Only when the rockets were unable to reach london because of the retreat of the Germans they were aimed at the allied forces, but then it was too late to change anything.

Without the USA involved in the war against Germany, that shorted the war an lot, if not it would have lasted many more years.
Then the Germans would have had the A bomb ready.
The follow up of the V2 was already out of the design state, with some more time an intercontinental rocket would have been made, the intervention of the USA shorted the war considerably.

In Holland 300.000 people died in WW2, out of less as 5.000.000 inhabitants.
Translated to your population of 300.000.000 in the USA it would mean 18.000.000 man woman and children killed in an war.
For the French and Belgiums it was even worse.

Don't forget that the same German designers after the war designed on those types the Intercontinental rockets for the USA and USSR.

Dutch soldiers fight in Afghanistan, getting killed/wounded there as i type.
Not agreeing with the USA official point of interest does not mean France was an enemy all of an sudden.
Between friends there should be room for differences in opinion, without immediately ripping the friendship apart.

The anti French protests i saw were mostly media fed, Fox beeing one of them, not the most reliable newssource.
One reason i watch several sources to get an less biased source of news.

Luckily we are distinguishing the difference between politics, and knowing the ordinary person out of the USA is an better man/woman as we see in the news from the politics.
Your soldiers left an big impression in both WW'rs wich the people in Europe still know, and appreciate.
Maybe one eason the French don't gloat now..., an good friend doesn't do that.

Cor

[vk6zgo]

Quote[/b] (vk6zgo @ Oct. 07 2007,02:50)][quote=Guest,Nov. 03 2004,20:38]"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!" —Jay Leno
Quote[/b] ]

Was that in the 1914-18 war,or the #1939-45 war?

Oh that's right! Silly me !, you call them the 1917-18

war & the 1941-45 war!

VK6ZGO
[QUOTE]
Hey,I'm quoting myself!!
Actually my post was a cheap shot,but I couldn't resist it!

Of course when the Yanks got into both World Wars,they got into them "Boots & All",& the world owes a lot to these brave Americans.

The point about the French is that they suffered enormous losses in WW1 & the country #lost a generation of young men.

It was happening all over again, & this time there were no fixed fronts.

Some French people thought the British had "left them in the lurch" after Dunkirk .(Although there was little else the Brits could have done!)
The stage was set for Capitulation ,so it happened.

Many French citizens escaped to Britain,where they continued the fight with great bravery.

I can't see the logic in taking it out on the French for not going into Iraq with you,----You didn't berate the Brits for not going into #Vietnam!!

73 VK6ZGO

[ac4ut]

The Russians hard enormous losses in WWII also. There are very few Russians joke floating around and they oppose US policies on a regular basis.
The French are obviously more easy to make fun of,for some reason.
Must be the berets.

[k4kyv]

Would you be better off French?

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[n0ov]

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Oct. 07 2007,07:43)]The Russians hard enormous losses in WWII also. There are very few Russians joke floating around and they oppose US policies on a regular basis.
The French are obviously more easy to make fun of,for some reason.
Must be the berets.
Actually there were quite a few folks in China that gave their lives to get American fliers safely back home after the 1st bombing attack on the Japan homeland.

Of course none of the horrors of war compare to the horrors of the Anti-Bush Posts, Code/No-Code Debates, or Link and Run strategies that can be found on the ZED.

Seriously -- I personally appreciate every nations sacrifice during these points in history -- only hope the lessons of the past are not soon forgotten. Because the liberal believes folks demonstrate so proudly around here won't stop a bullet or protect you from bombs.

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