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N8CPA

11-03-2004, 02:26 PM

I posted this on another thread, but what the heck!

Here's an irony:

A few weeks ago, Sinclair Broadcasting announced it would air "Stolen Honor." #In response, Chad Clanton, speaking on behalf of the Kerry campaign, threatened Sincair with the ominous warning, "You better hope we don't win!"

If the Dems' analysts determine that the threat affected voters' perceptions of Kerry's campaign, they will no doubt blame the returns once again on Chad.
;)

And yes, I'm a very happy fellow today! #In the coming weeks, we'll begin heeling the wounds. #But for the moment, it feels great to wound the heels pressing sour grapes into vintage whines!

Gloat! Gloat! Gloat! Gloat! Gloat!

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W3MIV

11-03-2004, 02:44 PM

Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Nov. 03 2004,10:22)]The dems had better wake up and take a look in the mirror and realize their party has been hijacked by the ultra left.
Wisdom would compel such an agonizing reappraisal of the Party and its platform.

Many of the problems had their start in misguided attempts to bend FDR's legacy into something that would ensure Democrats could corral and dominate various minority and splinter groups in what is, essentially, a very cynical manipulation of voters without reward for their loyalty.

African-Americans, for example, have been solidly supportive of the Democratic Party for more than fifty years, yet what in real terms have they achieved in return for this loyalty?

Sadly, the nuclear family, one of Black America's strongest units, has been nearly destroyed by past Democratic policies.

Religion, another primal foundation of Black society, has been undercut at every opportunity by Democratic policy.

Inner-city education systems have been ill served by the Democrat-supported labor-union mentality at the NEA, and the potential salvation of vouchers in areas desperately in need of quality education has been fanatically opposed on the wrongful basis of a church-state red herring when it is little more than a "union shop" labor dispute.

Finally, the excessive domination of the so-called Sixties generation, with its iconoclastic rejection of any and all sense of morality or responsibility has utterly destroyed the Party.

It is my fondest hope that this appraisal will take place and that the DNC will be fumigated and cleansed of any and all vestiges of the current crowd so that the Party can be rebuilt on better, stronger foundations.

I am still a Democrat, but not a Democrit. I want my Party back!

K9STH

11-03-2004, 03:45 PM

41 percent of Hispanics voted for Bush, 10 percent of the black vote went to Bush, 51 percent of the female vote went to Bush (according to figures published in this morning's edition of the Dallas Morning News) nationwide.

The only reason that I can think of for the very long lines in some parts of Ohio is the Provisional ballot which many of the college students were partaking of since they had not registered in the precincts that the colleges were in.

Frankly, I had only 4 Provisional ballots cast, 3 of them by college students who really had not registered (I have a fairly large university in one of my precincts). Because of this, I asked the elections department to furnish me with a considerable number of ballots "just in case". However, the number of persons requesting a Provisional ballot was very light.

One was voted by a woman who's ex-husband had sent in a letter to the elections department claiming that she had moved "out of state"! When I called the department to check they told me about the letter. She was pretty "put out" by that fact! However, I noted her ballot so that it definitely should count. The other 3 I really doubt it.

My 2 precincts had 3428 voters (out of 5438 total registered). We did have "touch screens". There were about 300 in line when the polls opened at 7:00 AM and the line did not start "thinning out" until around 12:30. However, from 6:00 PM until the polls closed at 7:00 PM I had less than 50 people come in. That was the first time all day that there was not a "steady" number coming in and my 6 people finally got a real break.

Since this was the first General Election in which the "touch screens" were used I was asked for assistance by a few people. As such, I could not help but notice how they were voting. I did notice that of the few people of Arabic extraction were generally voting straight Democratic. However, a number of the Hispanic and black voters (primarily young adults) were voting straight Republican.

Also, after getting through at the elections department (my wife and I finally were processed ending at 10:10 PM) we stopped by a Mac Donald's on our way back from the county seat. We did go through the "drive through". The Hispanic woman who handled our order (she was in her early 20s) saw my "Election Judge" badge and remarked that she sure hoped that Bush won". She was voicing the same opinion as 41 percent of her fellow Hispanics.

Anyway, my ankles are a bit sore this morning from being on my feet for almost 14 hours yesterday (starting before the polls opened until we got through the line at the elections department - did get to sit a little while at the end of the election and in the car on the way to the elections department). Other than falling asleep just as soon as my head "hit the pillow" I survived another election!

Glen, K9STH

N8CPA

11-03-2004, 03:52 PM

And the users of QRZ are glad you are still here, Glenn!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

K8YS

11-03-2004, 03:58 PM

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 03 2004,11:01)]Congratulations, Republicans! You've just won the sleaziest election in U.S. history! You now have complete control of the government.
One thing about a Republican majority, they have been the minority for so long, they forget how to lead, and always go back to a bi-partisan position.

It is time for the Republicans to stop being bi-partisan, and be Republicans.

N0KLT

11-03-2004, 04:04 PM

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Nov. 03 2004,09:52)]And the users of QRZ are glad you are still here, Glenn!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
And glad he was willing to be where he was on Tuesday, also. Kudos to anyone who will put in that kind of work and dedication to make sure things are done fairly in any and all elections. Without the hard work and dedication of the polling place and other elections workers, this country would be in a real mess. I salute you and others like you, sir.

Gary NØKLT

K9STH

11-03-2004, 06:49 PM

KLT:

The "secret to success" in being an election official on election day is to be completly neutral. Up until the polling place opens I am a "good" Republican (although I do vote for a Democrat once-in-a-while if they are a better candidate than the Republican), but, once 7:00 AM comes until the last voter is out of the polling place after 7:00 PM, I don't care if someone is Republican, Democrat, Liberterian, Green, Independent, or what, but they all get treated with the same respect.

Frankly, I have had to "come down" on people from every party at one time or another.

This year the Democratic Party sent a "poll watcher" to my precincts for the first time ever (they sent one to all of the major precincts in the county). She watched things for about an hour and made a few notes. However, if she saw anything wrong she was to contact me. Then she came up to me and said that she saw that the primary thing was to get as many people voted as possible in the shortest possible time. She then helped my people for the rest of the day instead of really acting as a poll watcher!

I told her that in future elections if she wanted to be one of my workers that she would be very welcome. She said that in the future that she probably couldn't work a full day, but that she was quite willing to help out starting around noon until the polls closed!

Also, in a General Election Collin County tries to get a Democrat as the alternate judge (not always possible but they do try). I had no problems at all with my alternate judge (who has worked the Democratic Primary Election a couple of times while I was working the Republican Primary at the same location). I asked him if he was interested in working as a clerk in the other elections (I have a "regular" alternate judge that has worked for me for about 15 years). He said that if he wasn't involved in a consulting assignment at the next election that he would work for me!

Glen, K9STH

gw4rcm

11-03-2004, 07:07 PM

I wonder what happened to the saying,"magnanimous in victory, gracious in defeat,"
does it apply in the USA

N7AAO

11-03-2004, 07:09 PM

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Nov. 03 2004,12:07)]I wonder what happened to the saying,"magnanimous in victory, gracious in defeat,"
does it apply in the USA
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wu3u

11-03-2004, 07:39 PM

At this juncture, I readily concede that the President has won this election.

I have also put my mind to thinking just what this means.

I continue to believe that this administration represents an extremist ideology that is "not your father's Republican Party."

And just what does this extremism entail?

Well, I will suffice it to say that given the election of President Bush for another term, there is now a stronger possibility of all the following:

1. Another war, possibly an all out war in Middle East;

2. A military draft;

3. Curtailment of civil rights in the name of "security;"

4. Hostility to minorities;

5. Increased job losses, with jobs going overseas prompted by tax incentitives;

6. A falling standard of living for the middle class;

7. Increased deficit spending;

8. A tighter, more comprehensive connection of
church and state;

9. At least another 70 billion dollars appropriated
for an already mismanaged and deteriorating
situation in Iraq.

I will be happy should history prove me wrong because the suffering and misery the above would bring the American people and the world would be almost beyond comprehension.

I fear, however, that his is the path the American people have chosen.

TP

K9STH

11-03-2004, 08:04 PM

The chance of a draft would have been much more likely if Kerry had become President. The "word on the street" was that if Kerry was elected President that a very definite majority of the military would not "re-up". Since virtually everyone in the military would have their enlisment period expire during the next four years this would have been disasterous to our nation's security!

The current Republican Party is definitely not "my father's Republican Party" for a couple of reasons. First of all, my father was a life-long Democrat! Secondly, George W. Bush has tried to work with Democrats much more so than any other Republican President in history.

Now, having heard John Kerry's concession speech within the last hour I will give credit where credit is due. From some of the "talking heads" on television we were given the impression that his speech was to be a "lecture" to his opponents about how he was "treated", etc., and how Kerry's "plan" should be adopted to promote "healing", and so on. But, he was gracious and urged everyone to start anew in working together, etc.

George W. Bush is scheduled to speak in just a few minutes. However, it has already been pointed out that he allowed John Kerry the oppourtunity to exit the scene in a gracious manner without trying to "steal the limelight" (which he could most certainly have done so by speaking first). Frankly, the actions of both have shown a "class act" that should have been present during the campaign.

I just wish that some of the ardent supporters of Kerry would follow his lead and accept defeat graciously and get back to trying to solve the problems of the country instead of being vindictive, selfish, and so forth. Unfortunately, there are just some people that will not let things go.

Glen, K9STH

K0RGR

11-03-2004, 08:34 PM

Yep, you're all right. Enjoy your victory. We wobblycrats have a great deal of retooling to do in order to become a viable political party again. The handwriting has been on the wall for a long time. The abortion issue has become huge. I think it may have cost the Democrats a quarter of the votes last night. It looks like the Anti-Gay Marriage amendment won Ohio for Bush. If we can't find a way to significantly change the party position on those issues, I don't see an end to the Republican dynasty for a long, long time.

I was amazed at the hard work done by the Democrats to turn out the vote. I didn't see or hear a Republican on election day, but the
Democrats called me and actually sent people around with cars to pick up any voters who hadn't voted yet and get them to the polls. But the fact that the Democrats lost in spite of the record turnout says that the party must change - they can no longer count on their numerical advantage to win elections.

To paraphrase Will Rogers "I am not a member of any viable political party...I am a Democrat...".

N7AAO

11-03-2004, 09:06 PM

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 03 2004,13:34)]To paraphrase Will Rogers "I am not a member of any viable political party...I am a Democrat...".
Or, Zell Miller, "A National Party No More."

Honestly, if the Democrats want any chance of being the majority again, they gotta dump the far-leftists like Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, and, yes, John Kerry, the most liberal member of the Senate. Get back to people like John Kennedy was (Kennedy proposed a tax cut, remember, and he was not afraid of the threat of force, as in the Cuba missile crisis).

Our nation is far stronger with two strong parties than with just one. We need a strong Democratic party, not the radicals that have taken it over.

W3MIV

11-03-2004, 09:17 PM

RCM:

Yes, Dennis. John Kerry actually made a very gracious speech and Bush reciprocated with a pledge to work to bring both parties' partisan together if he can. Blair was also gracious in a similar vein at your end, calling on others, particularly in Europe, to grab the handle and pull rather than complain and put "spanners" in the works.

RGR:

You are quite correct. One thing lots of people seem yet to realize is that it was NOT the Republican vote that put Bush back in office; rather it was the numbers of Democrats (remember how those folks were called "Reagan Democrats" back in 1980 and 84?) who crossed party lines, mostly out of dissatisfaction with the many, many issues that the far left wing of the Party has foisted on the electorate in the past several elections.

Clinton won the first time because he was a better choice to many people of both parties who were dissatisfied with Bush I because of his dithering and his reversal of his "read my lips" pledge. Clinton was reelected in '96 because he was essentially a centrist and presented no unnerving programs to warrant ejection and most folks didn't want Dole, the ultimate DC insider.

If we run Hillary in 2008, the Party will be no more.

K3UD

11-03-2004, 10:00 PM

The Democrats are more identified as the party which caters to groups which espouse what can be labeled extreme idiology.

Groups that make fun of the religious, defend partial birth abortion and gay marriage, think the military is an abomination, want to take away your guns, file lawsuits over a prayer said at a graduation ceremony, force Christmas displays off of public property, are the party of taxation, and the party which opposses truely progressive ideas (IE: your own social security account tied to conservative instruments).

They instead repeat their tired mantra of doom, disaster, and the old line that they care about you when all they really care about is being elected and wielding power.

I think in this election, the spectre of Kerry's "World Test" rubbed a lot of the electorate the wrong way. We are, after all, the United States, regarded by most who live here as the best place on earth and we don't need to take and pass any world test.

If this election was not a wake up call, then toss the alarm clock in the trash and go back to bed.

Take a look at this map and ask yourself why the message does not resonate for many people.

The Red Zone (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm)

Based on what was said in the "mainstream media" concerning Bush and the Republicans, one would think he was the the real Anti-Christ.

I work in the media and it was starting to get to me to the point where I thought the election would be a disaster with the Republicans losing the White House and possibly the Senate.

Yesterday I told my wife that we (Republicans) were in real trouble, and when the spurious exit polls came out I almost gave up and started mentally preparing for Kerry and a Democratic senate.

As I watched last night, I could not believe what I was seeing at first, then I realized that the American people certainly knew what they wanted and what they were doing.

The wrong people have control of the heart and soul of the Democratic party. It needs to be much closer to the center in order to be a viable choice for many voters.

The highest turnout since JFK / Nixon and the most votes ever garnered by the winner....maybe that says it all.

73
George
K3UD

K9STH

11-03-2004, 10:27 PM

RGR:

In a number of metropolitan areas the Republican Party had groups of automobiles ready to shuttle people to the polls. However, for some reason, all of the tires on the vehicles suddenly had "puncture wounds"!

Just like the various campaign headquarters that were vandalized, etc. Of course the opposition shuttle service didn't seem to have any problems.

I guess that every Republican shuttle vehicle just happened to run through a nail factory!

Glen, K9STH

K9STH

11-03-2004, 10:31 PM

By the way, has anyone noticed that, like I predicted several days ago, that the price of crude oil is declining.

Certain oil producing nations, especially those located in the middle-east, most certainly would not have "stooped" so low as to trying to influence the vote in the United States of America would they?!!

Glen, K9STH

KD7WHQ

11-04-2004, 03:48 AM

Backing up, yes, a lot of legiscreatures that need to be gone are, but there are still some that stayed.

We get to deal with "I'll listen, then I'll vote as I like regardless" Patty Murray.
You know her phone is going to busy for the next six..

W8EFA

11-04-2004, 04:35 AM

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 03 2004,13:34)]Yep, you're all right. Enjoy your victory. We wobblycrats have a great deal of retooling to do in order to become a viable political party again. The handwriting has been on the wall for a long time. The abortion issue has become huge. I think it may have cost the Democrats a quarter of the votes last night. It looks like the Anti-Gay Marriage amendment won Ohio for Bush. If we can't find a way to significantly change the party position on those issues, I don't see an end to the Republican dynasty for a long, long time.

I was amazed at the hard work done by the Democrats to turn out the vote. I didn't see or hear a Republican on election day, but the
Democrats called me and actually sent people around with cars to pick up any voters who hadn't voted yet and get them to the polls. But the fact that the Democrats lost in spite of the record turnout says that the party must change - they can no longer count on their numerical advantage to win elections.

To paraphrase Will Rogers "I am not a member of any viable political party...I am a Democrat...".
Good Post you are exactly right. #On the news tonight on Brokaw the analysis was Democrats lost on #Guns, Gays, and Religon and the huge turnout of evangelical christians.The question was do they need to head in that direction? #Meanwhile on the screen they were showing a Nascar race. #Ain't going to happen, the rest of the nation doesn't think, act, and live like the south and the plains states "ruralists". #Democrats are concentrated in highly populated area's that are made up of a diverse population that needs to be open minded and accomadating to get along and in need of Government services and they are represented by the Democrats. # We just need to fight a little smarter next time. After all we only lost by 100,00.00 votes or less in one State!

The Republican machine won despite GWB not because of him.

They couldn't run on his foreign or domestic record so they had to energize the "evangelical christians" with Gay's and abortion and guns and tear down Kerry. #There plan worked to perfection.

The one thing our founding fathers were worried about was the seperation of Church and State and spelled it out. #When evangelical christians decide a presidential race I think we need to be very wary.

K8YS

11-04-2004, 05:01 AM

Bill, EFA, as usual, you are WRONG AGAIN. The dems lost fair and square. They put up a loser and they lost. If you think this race was about guns and religion, it was!

It was about the very basics of our Constitution, perhaps it is time you find the document and READ IT.

Kerry tore Kerry down. He let his wife speak, and I still hear her bark. He pissed off a lot of potential voters with his "three week tour". Too many saw him for the fraud he is.

Why didn't Kerry do as Dole did? When Dole ran for President, he resigned as a senator, Kerry did not, could it be that Kerry KNEW he was not going to win?

W8EFA

11-04-2004, 05:13 AM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Nov. 03 2004,22:01)]Bill, EFA, as usual, you are WRONG AGAIN. The dems lost fair and square. They put up a loser and they lost. If you think this race was about guns and religion, it was!

It was about the very basics of our Constitution, perhaps it is time you find the document and READ IT.

Kerry tore Kerry down. He let his wife speak, and I still hear her bark. He pissed off a lot of potential voters with his "three week tour". Too many saw him for the fraud he is.

Why didn't Kerry do as Dole did? When Dole ran for President, he resigned as a senator, Kerry did not, could it be that Kerry KNEW he was not going to win?
Yea whatever YS - take your right wing, hate spewing, rhetoric quoted above and call you hero Rush - he loves that kind of talk.

And you are always trashing the Democrats. However since you are taking Social Security disability pay at an early age aren't you glad the democrats and Franklin Roosevelt instituted Social Security? Or do you just like the programs that you can personally take advantage of?

KC2KFC

11-04-2004, 11:38 AM

Even after a loss like this the Democratic Party still wants to make the same mistake again!

The Democrats Next Presidential Candidate (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/nyregion/04hillary.html?ei=5006&en=dfc20f84753541d8&ex=1100235600&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=)

N7AAO

11-04-2004, 01:37 PM

Ahh... the best part about a conservative election victory is watching the liberals explode with their pent-up hatred.

Keep it up, Bill... you are being a great example of why Kerry lost. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

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n3ijw

11-04-2004, 02:19 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 04 2004,01:13)]Yea whatever YS - take your #right wing, hate spewing, rhetoric quoted above and call you hero Rush - he loves that kind of talk.

And you are always trashing the Democrats. #However since you are taking Social Security disability pay at an early age aren't you glad the democrats and Franklin Roosevelt instituted Social Security? #Or do you just like the programs that you can personally take advantage of?

Kerry lost because his party is full of self-important people who think that urban centers are the only regions that matter, and urban law should apply everywhere, despite most of the country being rural. Get over yourselves. Until the Democrats realize the United States does not begin and end at the city limits, you will never regain power.

Kerry lost because his party is so certain of their intellectual and regional superiority they blind themselves to the fact most of the folks who vote conservative are ordinary people who work in offices, have families, and are just trying to live their lives without needless interference from uncle sam, and want nothing at all to do with the screaming hordes of generic "activists" and self-righteous preachy entertainers the Democrats spawn everywhere. America wants nothing to do with these loonies, it would be in your best interests to distance yourselves from them as quickly as possible.

Kerry lost because his party is full of metrosexual holier-than-thou yuppies who are quick to blow off the "Nascar" fans and "ruralists", forgetting that they provide the food you cram into your never-shut mouths, the products and labor that form the backbone of our economic greatness, and the independence and pride that make this country better than the timid Euro-socialist welfare state you all seem bent on turning us into.

Kerry lost because his party is so out of touch with mainstream America they feel the country needs to change to align with their views, rather than the other way around. Until the Democrats reverse that attitude they will never regain power.

Kerry lost because his party is oblivious to the fact it has long since been hijacked by elements that want to turn America into a leftist welfare state with a disarmed populace. Until the Democrats kick out those elements they will never regain power.

Kerry lost because his party presented nothing but empty promises and negativity. "I have a plan!", he said. Well I hope he has a contingency plan, like going back to work.

Democrats lost big yesterday because they do not represent America and haven't figured that out yet.

Democrats have four years to get their act together, and I do have one bit of advice - unless you want to lose again in 2008, keep Hillary in a dark closet!

W3MIV

11-04-2004, 02:34 PM

Hear, hear! Good post, Sean.

May I add that an additional bit of advice for the lost souls: Please keep Nancy Pelosi in that closet along with Hils (recipe for a cat fight!). Sure am glad she vacated Baltimore for the Left Coast. Were her father (one of Baltimore's greatest Democratic mayors) alive today, he would cringe at the sight of the vindictive harridan she has become.

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K3UD

11-04-2004, 02:34 PM

The Democrats are never going to win espousing far left lunacy or giving the impression that they do to the general electorate.

I don't know if there was one overiding single issue in this campaign unless it was terrorism, or possibly gay marriage. Even the usually liberal state of Oregon voted it down.

The demographics are changing. the south and southwest are growing in population and in electoral votes, while the old industrial areas are losing electoral votes. Over the last 30 years the south has become a solid republican stronghold which is only going to get stronger as time goes on.

Bill Clinton understood this which is why he ran and governed as a moderate (and I actually believe he was one). This lesson was lost on the Democratic party as the true moderates of the party. Joe Leiberman and Dick Gephardt. who might have had a good chance to win,were run out in the primaries.

Far left voices took over and Kerry was forced to modify positions in order to overcome Dean who was consolidating the far left in his campaign. Kerry then became Mr. Plastic Fantastic and showed that he really had very few or no core values or if he did, did not think that it was wise to espouse them.

(anyone remember the mid 60s Frank Zappa tune "Plastic People"? one line really stands out... "there are men who run the country... there are men who try to think.... and they are all made out of plastic...when they melt they start to stink")
Lots of political commentary in Zappa's music. In an interview with the "underground" newspaper The Berkley Barb, he said it was aimed at LBJ and Robert McNamara.

In the end, it was Kerry melting under the heat generated by the friction of gyrating this way and that way depending on who he was talking to. In a way it is sad, Kerry, in a very real sense was destroyed by the far left of the Democratic party. What I don't understand is why Kerry fell for it.

73
George
K3UD

W3MIV

11-04-2004, 02:38 PM

EFA:

You delude yourself if you think that all, or even most, of the vast number of Democrats who turned out to vote voted for Kerry.

N7AAO

11-04-2004, 02:57 PM

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Nov. 04 2004,07:19)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 04 2004,01:13)]Yea whatever YS - take your right wing, hate spewing, rhetoric quoted above and call you hero Rush - he loves that kind of talk.

And you are always trashing the Democrats. However since you are taking Social Security disability pay at an early age aren't you glad the democrats and Franklin Roosevelt instituted Social Security? Or do you just like the programs that you can personally take advantage of?

Kerry lost because his party is full of self-important people who think that urban centers are the only regions that matter, and urban law should apply everywhere, despite most of the country being rural. Get over yourselves. Until the Democrats realize the United States does not begin and end at the city limits, you will never regain power.

Kerry lost because his party is so certain of their intellectual and regional superiority they blind themselves to the fact most of the folks who vote conservative are ordinary people who work in offices, have families, and are just trying to live their lives without needless interference from uncle sam, and want nothing at all to do with the screaming hordes of generic "activists" and self-righteous preachy entertainers the Democrats spawn everywhere. America wants nothing to do with these loonies, it would be in your best interests to distance yourselves from them as quickly as possible.

Kerry lost because his party is full of metrosexual holier-than-thou yuppies who are quick to blow off the "Nascar" fans and "ruralists", forgetting that they provide the food you cram into your never-shut mouths, the products and labor that form the backbone of our economic greatness, and the independence and pride that make this country better than the timid Euro-socialist welfare state you all seem bent on turning us into.

Kerry lost because his party is so out of touch with mainstream America they feel the country needs to change to align with their views, rather than the other way around. Until the Democrats reverse that attitude they will never regain power.

Kerry lost because his party is oblivious to the fact it has long since been hijacked by elements that want to turn America into a leftist welfare state with a disarmed populace. Until the Democrats kick out those elements they will never regain power.

Kerry lost because his party presented nothing but empty promises and negativity. "I have a plan!", he said. Well I hope he has a contingency plan, like going back to work.

Democrats lost big yesterday because they do not represent America and haven't figured that out yet.

Democrats have four years to get their act together, and I do have one bit of advice - unless you want to lose again in 2008, keep Hillary in a dark closet!
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Sean in 2008! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

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N8CPA

11-04-2004, 03:01 PM

It was the will of the American people over the will of group-think that won this election.
And that just absolutely reinforced my love and faith in this country.

And I just learned something. #I was up at 3:00 ET Wednesday morning. #I just couldn't sleep comfortably, not knowing the how the returns were going. #I saw Edwards' speech to the Kerry crowd in Boston. #He did not look happy.

Word has leaked out of the camp that Kerry wanted to sleep on the idea of a concession, against Edwards' determination to demand manual recount of Ohio's vote. #[I knew that ambulance chaser would try something like that as soon as he joined the ticket.] Kerry, very honorably I will acknowlege, told him to go out and give the speech he gave. The 3:AM speech wasn't what he wanted to say, it was what Kerry wanted him to say. #His portion of the concession rally were his own words.

If the Dems expect to win in '08, they better closet both Hillary and Edwards. They are the archetypes of the extremes that were rejected on tuesday.

K8YS

11-04-2004, 03:15 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 04 2004,02:13)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Nov. 03 2004,22:01)]Bill, EFA, as usual, you are WRONG AGAIN. The dems lost fair and square. They put up a loser and they lost. If you think this race was about guns and religion, it was!

It was about the very basics of our Constitution, perhaps it is time you find the document and READ IT.

Kerry tore Kerry down. He let his wife speak, and I still hear her bark. He pissed off a lot of potential voters with his "three week tour". Too many saw him for the fraud he is.

Why didn't Kerry do as Dole did? When Dole ran for President, he resigned as a senator, Kerry did not, could it be that Kerry KNEW he was not going to win?
Yea whatever YS - take your right wing, hate spewing, rhetoric quoted above and call you hero Rush - he loves that kind of talk.

And you are always trashing the Democrats. However since you are taking Social Security disability pay at an early age aren't you glad the democrats and Franklin Roosevelt instituted Social Security? Or do you just like the programs that you can personally take advantage of?
and Bill, that is EXACTLY WHY I detest the Democrats plan for me, I know there is a BETTER WAY, but under the current rules, it is impossible.

FDR may have had a good idea at the time, I do not know, I was not there, but over the years, it has gotten worse, to the point where we are now, and it is all downhill from here. FDR's orignal plan has been twisted, re-written, "up-sized", "super-sized", and "king-sized", far too much, only to keep slimey sleezeball politians in a comfy job.

The dems are all for a welfare society while the republicans are for a self-suffient society.

You are correct, I went on Social inSecurity at an early age, you could say that I have seen the future and it is not pretty, a change is required.

If Social Security were so great, why do you think that state and federal employees have their own plan??

N8CPA

11-04-2004, 03:25 PM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 04 2004,10:34)]Hear, hear! Good post, Sean.

May I add that an additional bit of advice for the lost souls: Please keep Nancy Pelosi in that closet along with Hils (recipe for a cat fight!). Sure am glad she vacated Baltimore for the Left Coast. Were her father (one of Baltimore's greatest Democratic mayors) alive today, he would cringe at the sight of the vindictive harridan she has become.

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Al, for future reference, please remember that many of the posts here are written by people taught by members of the NEA. "Harridan" might have too many syllables for them to understand. "Dictionary" is another syllabic group that is just too big.

W8EFA

11-04-2004, 03:26 PM

I guess I don't understand your logic. If you didn't have SS and you were self sufficient you would be on the street right now. If you had saved say 1K per month of your own money for 15 years with interest you would have about 175K right now. After 3 or 4 years you would be destitute. SS will pay you for the rest of the years of your life - figure out the Math. You will get a lot more out of Social Security than you paid in in a case like yours. The Republicans would just put you out on the street - it is everybody for themselves, kind of like the Middle ages again.

W3MIV

11-04-2004, 03:44 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 04 2004,11:26)]The Republicans would just put you out on the street - it is everybody for themselves, kind of like the Middle ages again.
The astonishing thing is that he really believes that! Hook, line and sinker—the old party line, that is.

Bill, if you had slimy scales instead of your thin skin, you long ago would have been loaded into a creel.

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n3ijw

11-04-2004, 04:15 PM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Nov. 04 2004,10:57)]N3IJW for President! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Sean in 2008! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Thanks, but you couldn't pay me enough to take that job! I don't have the patience http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KB9YCO

11-04-2004, 04:33 PM

Most of this thread, from first to last, is a prime example of what we DON'T need after an election. Regardless of political beliefs, or cultural differences, we are a country with a system of elections and we need to stand together for OUR president. Like him or hate him, he is OUR president, and a president at war at that. That doesn't mean we need to try to all agree, since that will never happen, but it does mean that we need to try and find some concensus in order for there to be any progress. That doesn't mean there won't be conflict, but to try and rub it in people's faces simply because your party won (I personally think both parties are full of s**t) is just childish, unproductive, and just plain rude. Be glad that we have a country of laws and elections, many countries don't, and be happy that many valid points about societal issues have been brought to the forefront, to a larger number of people than ever before. Progress always results from conflict, hopefully it will be positive for the country. Having attitudes like some of the posts I see this thread will only drag us backwards.

N0KLT

11-04-2004, 04:48 PM

Kerry lost because more people voted for Bush. It's not a hard concept. Get over it.

Gary NØKLT

n3ijw

11-04-2004, 04:55 PM

Hey Brett,

I agree with the spirit of your post, but consider this: For the last several years, I've been called Nazi, bigot, warmonger, idiot, stupid, blind, neo-con, brownshirt, religious zealot (despite the fact I'm agnostic), extremist, and dozens of other adjectives right here on this forum, from people who don't know me from Adam.

So, I'll be magnanimous later. Right now I'm going to enjoy slapping around a handful of egos, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. After all, it is just words on a screen#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KB9YCO

11-04-2004, 04:55 PM

Quote[/b] (N0KLT @ Nov. 04 2004,11:48)]Kerry lost because more people voted for Bush. It's not a hard concept. Get over it.

Gary NØKLT
That was my point. Acting like a child because your candidate won or lost will not solve anything. Really, all it will do is make you look like an ass.

EDIT: If that's what makes you feel better Sean, it is fairly meaningless you're right, just don't sink to that level out of spite, be smarter than that. But, and it's a big but, I hope that those attitudes (the ones you speak of with the labeling, and the attitudes of rah rah my side wins so you're wrong) will not seep into people's regular lives and attitudes towards one another. That will get us nowhere and will only serve to further polarize people. We can disagree, we don't have to act like jags about it.

N7AAO

11-04-2004, 05:00 PM

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Nov. 04 2004,08:01)]If the Dems expect to win in '08, they better closet both Hillary and Edwards. They are the archetypes of the extremes that were rejected on tuesday.
I wouldn't place any large bets on either of them staying off the '08 ticket.

In fact, I wouldn't place any small bets on it either.

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K9DRX

11-04-2004, 05:05 PM

I'm sorry that I'm not part of the redneck agenda. You picked W, now you can't complain when the downward spiral continues. Good luck!

N7AAO

11-04-2004, 05:05 PM

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Nov. 04 2004,09:55)]Hey Brett,

I agree with the spirit of your post, but consider this: For the last several years, I've been called Nazi, bigot, warmonger, idiot, stupid, blind, neo-con, brownshirt, religious zealot (despite the fact I'm agnostic), extremist, and dozens of other adjectives right here on this forum, from people who don't know me from Adam.

So, I'll be magnanimous later. Right now I'm going to enjoy slapping around a handful of egos, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. After all, it is just words on a screen http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Heck, I was ready to be magnanimous as long as the other side was. But since I see lefties all over the place spewing their hatred, darned right I'm gonna respond!

See, I am not like Kerry, wanting to hold a summit with those that hate me. I answer for myself, thankyouverymuch. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

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KB9YCO

11-04-2004, 05:18 PM

I agree, there is still hatred and rhetoric from both sides, and I'm sure there always will be. So why contribute more to it? Take the high road and let those types of people act like idiots. You can say something, disagree with someone's views, without having to shove it down each other's throats. Something I've been saying on this website, and in life in general for a long time. No need to get haughty, arrogant, or insulsting about it, say what you think and leave it at that. I don't know why that's so hard for some people to do, regardless of party affilliation winning or losing; acting like an as**le now will not help anything. Just be truthful and say what's on your mind, it's very easy and takes much less mental strain than trying to find any chance to rip someone else for what they believe.

w0dz

11-04-2004, 06:10 PM

OK Dems, here's some free advice to help you understand why you keep losing and how to win in the future.

1. Learn how business works. You constantly criticize us for being pro-big business, when the reality is that we are pro free-enterprise, which is the basis of our prosperity. You keep trying to regulate it instead of letting it prosper. The company I work for is a global electronics manufacturer. One VP said recently that there are 3 approaches businesses can take to competition: they can ignore it, they can ask for government help to regulate it, or they can face it head-on and innovate. Our auto industry went through the first two phases and is finally starting to innovate. It's a much better way to compete. But they have to be allowed to innovate without stifling government regulation. Democrats traditionally want to regulate. You MUST get out of that mode.

2. Get some morality. Why is it "far right" to want morality? #I am for free speech, but "piss-Christ" was over the edge. I am not opposed to abortion, but if people acted responsibly sexually, it would not be a problem in the first place. People with strong moral codes don't tend to be the ones needing abortions. I believe in strong family values - loving, caring parents of opposite sexes to provide kids with a balance. These are mainstream American beliefs. City dwellers seem to have a cold, clinical, anything-goes approach to life. How about some warmth for a change?

3. Give the gun thing a rest. Guns will be with us for a long time. Quit trying to regulate them and find creative ways to keep bad guys from wanting to use them.

4. Back off on environmental causes. Quit aligning yourselves with far left groups that are hindering human progress. Oil is not a bad thing. It's the lifeblood of our world. Sometimes it makes a mess. Companies that drill for oil are not the bad guys. Everyone wants clean air and water. But we need to not hinder industry either. Help find a better balance that respects company's rights to do business while working on the pollution problems. It doesn't have to be solved overnight.

In short, quit trying to regulate us to death and you'll have a better time getting candidates elected.

And finally, and most importantly, GET A CLUE when it comes to the military. The U.S. has the finest armed forces on the planet, and we use them for good. We don't attack without provocation, and our aim is noble -- to give people freedom, not to take them over and own their land. We are the good guys. Get that through your heads!

K8YS

11-04-2004, 06:16 PM

Quote[/b] (K9DRX @ Nov. 04 2004,14:05)]I'm sorry that I'm not part of the redneck agenda. You picked W, now you can't complain when the downward spiral continues. Good luck!
and ifsomething terrible happens, then count on Hillary being the next president.

I do not see that happening.

K8YS

11-04-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 04 2004,12:26)]I guess I don't understand your logic. If you didn't have SS and you were self sufficient you would be on the street right now. If you had saved say 1K per month of your own money for 15 years with interest you would have about 175K right now. After 3 or 4 years you would be destitute. SS will pay you for the rest of the years of your life - figure out the Math. You will get a lot more out of Social Security than you paid in in a case like yours. The Republicans would just put you out on the street - it is everybody for themselves, kind of like the Middle ages again.
the truely sad part is that SOMEONE TOLD YOU THIS CRAP and you BELIEVED IT.

W3MIV

11-04-2004, 06:57 PM

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Nov. 04 2004,12:55)]So, I'll be magnanimous later. Right now I'm going to enjoy slapping around a handful of egos, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
Right on, Sean me lad! Slap 'em, whack 'em and stack 'em in the hallway. We'll Kerry 'em out later!

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N7AAO

11-04-2004, 07:12 PM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 04 2004,11:57)]Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Nov. 04 2004,12:55)]So, I'll be magnanimous later. Right now I'm going to enjoy slapping around a handful of egos, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
Right on, Sean me lad! Slap 'em, whack 'em and stack 'em in the hallway. We'll Kerry 'em out later!

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"Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down!"

And remember... if Kerry had won, they'd be doing the same, and worse, to us. Deny it all you want, libs, in your heart of hearts you know it's true, and so do we.

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K9STH

11-04-2004, 07:43 PM

OK kiddies!

Enough is enough! The election is over, Bush won. That is a fact. Kerry conceded. That is a fact.

Social Security is sound. There will not be a military draft. The sun will continue to rise in the east and set in the west. It will continue to rain on rainy days and the sun will continue to shine on sunny days. The temperature will normally be lower during the winter months and higher during the summer months. The stock market will continue to rise and fall. The oceans will still have tides and the higher elevations will still have snow cover.

Therefore, cut out the name-calling and so forth.

Remember the "rules of the road" of QRZ.com:

No profanity

No obscenities

No personal attacks

I believe that for a while that the following should be added:

No gloating

No whining

No "sour grapes"

If we all go with those additional "rules" then we all will be a lot happier in the long run.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

K8YS

11-04-2004, 09:40 PM

hey Glen,
Do you have that message in a macro somewhere?

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N8CPA

11-04-2004, 09:46 PM

Maybe, for the time being, we could modify the FISTS motto: "Magnanimity at all times. Diplomacy transcends rhetoric."

ki4bgo

11-05-2004, 02:45 AM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Nov. 04 2004,14:43)]Social Security is sound. #There will not be a military draft. #
1. SS is sound...yup...for a little while anyway. Can't pay out SS benefits with NO MONEY!
2. No draft: CAMPAIGN PROMISE...he's gotta keep his unjustified war going, so watch and see! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
...This place gets more disturbing every day with how 90% of the posters seem to worship the ground ol' Bush walks on...I need to go now. No more. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

N7AAO

11-05-2004, 02:48 AM

Quote[/b] (ki4bgo @ Nov. 04 2004,19:45)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Nov. 04 2004,14:43)]Social Security is sound. There will not be a military draft.
1. SS is sound...yup...for a little while anyway. Can't pay out SS benefits with NO MONEY!
2. No draft: CAMPAIGN PROMISE...he's gotta keep his unjustified war going, so watch and see! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
...This place gets more disturbing every day with how 90% of the posters seem to worship the ground ol' Bush walks on...I need to go now. No more. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Please note, everyone, the political leanings of those that are calling for a cease-fire, and the leanings of those that want to keep arguing.

ky5u

11-05-2004, 03:51 AM

Just think of the effort by Michael Moore, Al Franken, and Bill Mahr.....Mohahahhahahahahhahah! LOSERS!

As I said before, my party(Dems) ran a magnificent campaign based on everything they had learned and wanted to do after Gore lost. They got out the vote, they lied, they put down Republican families, they attacked Pres. Bush. They paraphrased every hateful saying being said by the bitter losers from 2000.

They STILL lost....and they can't believe it!

k4oss

11-05-2004, 04:12 AM

Quote[/b] (w0dz @ Nov. 04 2004,11:10)]OK Dems, here's some free advice to help you understand why you keep losing and how to win in the future.

1. Learn how business works. You constantly criticize us for being pro-big business, when the reality is that we are pro free-enterprise, which is the basis of our prosperity. You keep trying to regulate it instead of letting it prosper. The company I work for is a global electronics manufacturer. One VP said recently that there are 3 approaches businesses can take to competition: they can ignore it, they can ask for government help to regulate it, or they can face it head-on and innovate. Our auto industry went through the first two phases and is finally starting to innovate. It's a much better way to compete. But they have to be allowed to innovate without stifling government regulation. Democrats traditionally want to regulate. You MUST get out of that mode.

2. Get some morality. Why is it "far right" to want morality? I am for free speech, but "piss-Christ" was over the edge. I am not opposed to abortion, but if people acted responsibly sexually, it would not be a problem in the first place. People with strong moral codes don't tend to be the ones needing abortions. I believe in strong family values - loving, caring parents of opposite sexes to provide kids with a balance. These are mainstream American beliefs. City dwellers seem to have a cold, clinical, anything-goes approach to life. How about some warmth for a change?

3. Give the gun thing a rest. Guns will be with us for a long time. Quit trying to regulate them and find creative ways to keep bad guys from wanting to use them.

4. Back off on environmental causes. Quit aligning yourselves with far left groups that are hindering human progress. Oil is not a bad thing. It's the lifeblood of our world. Sometimes it makes a mess. Companies that drill for oil are not the bad guys. Everyone wants clean air and water. But we need to not hinder industry either. Help find a better balance that respects company's rights to do business while working on the pollution problems. It doesn't have to be solved overnight.

In short, quit trying to regulate us to death and you'll have a better time getting candidates elected.

And finally, and most importantly, GET A CLUE when it comes to the military. The U.S. has the finest armed forces on the planet, and we use them for good. We don't attack without provocation, and our aim is noble -- to give people freedom, not to take them over and own their land. We are the good guys. Get that through your heads!
Sir,

I just wanted to thank you for such a well-written post.

Charlie

N8CPA

11-05-2004, 09:28 AM

DZ, on August 27, you predicted a Bush victory of 54-44%. #I know because I marked your prediction on my Nov 3 calendar page. Statistically, I don't think you were very far off. #Last I read, it was a 51-47 victory.

And the only thing I would add to your list of admonitions for the democrats.

Quit lying to our youth! Indoctrination and education are not interchangeable terms. Mediocrity is not excellence. There is no shame in winning when it stems from greater effort. Competition is good for the human body, the human mind, the human soul, and the nation's economy. Let the kids play dodgeball!

K7JBQ

11-05-2004, 05:07 PM

DZ,

Excellent post, to which I can only add:

"And finally, do us all a favor and nominate Hillary in 2008, thus ensuring the final demise of a once proud and important party."

73,
Bill

n0ov

11-05-2004, 07:49 PM

Democrats will win the next election if they

1. #Screen their candiates and nominate the ones with the least amount of personal garbage (vietnam, voting records)

2. #Listen to the news media and the west coast croud and eliminate the canidates they favor most

3. #Recognize the media does not set American values -- Americans determine that, not the media or liberals

4. #Rely less on the he-said/she-said and more on the facts

Hey, what Edwards demonstrated in the primaries showed promise. #Still cannot believe he was turned down and they picked someone like Kerry to go against Bush

Face it, if it wasn't for the war Kerry would have got a lot less votes than he did. #He's an idiot.

Why can I say that? #I voted for the idiot! And I am glad Bush won!

KB9YCO

11-05-2004, 08:41 PM

First of all to David, you know I'm not a fan of either party, so please don't try to lump me in with the 'notice who wants a cease fire' crap. I've always spoke my mind, often times critical of both parties, but I don't make it a personal attack on the person, or even the president, just on philosophies I don't necessarily agree with. It is wholly American and good for progress to question our governering bodies. I would expect the same from anyone, but all this gloating on the one side, and whining on the other, serves no useful purpose for either side. (And, as usual, I must point out that the Democratic party is far from fitting the true definition of 'liberal', feel free to refer to signature below.)
Next, I want to point out that this was a very close election, trying to claim some moral majority, while we still have a sharply divided nation that voted almost 50-50, is just inaccurate and serves only to create a larger division between the various groups. We should disagree, that's what makes this country great, and keeps it productive. But, we don't have to be rude or arrogant about it, just say what you think, that's all you've got to do.
In my particular case, being as I am non-partisan and voted for both parties based on who I thought was good for the country, this entire election only serves to strengthen my resolve on the issues at the forefront today.
[I posted this in another thread that's a few pages away now.]
Besides, if one group wins all the time, and makes a country of symbiotic happiness, I have a fear that nothing would get done, no real thinking would result from lack of conflict, there would be no backlash effect from a divergence too far in one political direction. H.G. Wells, in the Time Machine said it best in his synopsis of what he saw happen to the future:

"It is a law of nature we overlook, that intellectual versatility is the compensation for change, danger, and trouble. An animal perfectly in harmony with its environment is a perfect mechanism. Nature never appeals to intelligence until habit and instinct are useless. There is no intelligence where there is no change or need for change. Only those animals partake of intelligence that have to meet a huge variety of needs and dangers."

It's all good for progress, and to those that are worried that the sky will fall, I say relax, this country has weathered many storms and it will be better off for it in the long run.
Have fun with your political rantings, I knew it wouldn't just disappear after the election, and I'm glad it didn't. Gives ya somethin' to think on ya'll...