George W. Bush Resume [Archive]

W8EFA

10-14-2004, 08:50 PM

George W. Bush Resume

Past work experience:

Ran for congress and lost.

Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments as president:

Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Records and References:

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

KC0LFV

10-14-2004, 08:52 PM

Hmm. Maybe you should look at some of the WHYS behing a lot of what you are talking about. And yes, I would hire Bush.

N7AAO

10-14-2004, 09:06 PM

You forget... Bush already has the job... but, yes, I would keep him on rather than hire someone else right now.

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W8EFA

10-14-2004, 09:08 PM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 14 2004,14:06)]You forget... Bush already has the job... but, yes, I would keep him on rather than hire someone else right now.

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That is why the quote heading said Would you re-hire

k3unx

10-14-2004, 09:24 PM

As opposed to John Kerry's resume which would be a blank page due to all of his unaccomplishments.

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Like my Pappy used to say. " The fellow that doesn't make any mistakes, is the fellow who doesn't do anything"

Regards
K3UNX

KB5WX

10-14-2004, 09:29 PM

Would I re-hire George Bush ? In a heartbeat . Would I vote for Kerry ? Not in a million years . He did more harm to our POW's held in N. Vietnam , than all the other anti-war idiots combined . And you , EFA , still support him ? Not this Marine . Now or ever .

K6UEY

10-14-2004, 09:33 PM

I would RE-HIRE him, look at all the valuable experience he has. Not too much call for some one who is good at throwing Hero medals over the fence,now a days,and there is ample supply of those who will lie to congress, so looks like Dubya is the only man Qualified with experience.
FOUR MORE YEARS - "Let GEORGE do it "
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wa6ccw

10-14-2004, 09:40 PM

Ha, ha, ha, you've got a great sense of humor, EFA. I love a good bogus resume:

EFA slips on his own banana peel yet again (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushresume.htm)

KB9YCO

10-14-2004, 10:15 PM

Just because you found that on a political humor website doesn't make it untrue. This has been circulating for some time now, some of it's subjective, some of it's factual, much of it's undeniable; just like all the other propagandist type of material out there it's a mix of truth and opinion.

W8EFA

10-14-2004, 11:05 PM

Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Oct. 14 2004,14:40)]Ha, ha, ha, you've got a great sense of humor, EFA. I love a good bogus resume:

EFA slips on his own banana peel yet again (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushresume.htm)
Actually it is on multiple websites and just about all of it is true unfortunately for this country.

What is really sad is the people that will blindly support him no matter how bad his performance is!

Bush "accomplishments and a lot more" (http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/2002/Bushed.html)

n3ijw

10-14-2004, 11:33 PM

Hear that, folks? It's on multiple websites!!

KB9YCO

10-14-2004, 11:43 PM

Still doesn't change the facts that are there. Internet or not.

n3ijw

10-14-2004, 11:49 PM

Doesn't stop me from laughing either. How many times does this thing have to be debunked (http://www.crossbearer.com/opinion/resume.html)?

Note: The above debunking can be found on - wait for it - multiple websites!!

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 12:18 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,14:08)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 14 2004,14:06)]You forget... Bush already has the job... but, yes, I would keep him on rather than hire someone else right now.

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That is why the quote heading said Would you re-hire
He hasn't been fired, therefore he cannot be re-hired.

Sheesh, this should be easy for anyone that doesn't have a government job. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 12:20 AM

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Oct. 14 2004,16:49)]Doesn't stop me from laughing either. How many times does this thing have to be debunked (http://www.crossbearer.com/opinion/resume.html)?

Note: The above debunking can be found on - wait for it - multiple websites!!
What's interesting is, about a month ago, a certain liberal tried to say that my points were obviously false because I found them on multiple websites!

My, how things change when someone else wants to score a point. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

k9kxq

10-15-2004, 12:55 AM

Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 01:02 AM

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,17:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
Yes, I do mind you asking, it's truly none of your concern.

All I will say is that it has nothing to do with politics... except the usual workplace kind.

W8EFA

10-15-2004, 01:03 AM

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,17:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
Obviously he spends all day posting on the Internet http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

k9kxq

10-15-2004, 01:13 AM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 14 2004,20:02)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,17:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
Yes, I do mind you asking, it's truly none of your concern.

All I will say is that it has nothing to do with politics... except the usual workplace kind.
AAO, No problem OM, I truly expected you to answer the way you have. OUT!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I have several close friends who are republicans, and not voting for Bush! and once again I will not vote to re-elect G.W.Bush period...

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K4JSR

10-15-2004, 01:13 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,18:03)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,17:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
Obviously he spends all day posting on the Internet http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Countering those ubiquitous EFA postings.
You BUNGLESed that, Sir William! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73 Cal K4 (That is for 4 more years!) JSR

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k9kxq

10-15-2004, 01:15 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,20:03)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,17:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
Obviously he spends all day posting on the Internet http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I was leaning to those thoughts too.. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Vote for hope, vote for change, vote to turn a brand new page!!

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KF0RT

10-15-2004, 01:19 AM

Man, it's gonna be GREAT to go back to bitching about what the president does instead of bitching about who's gonna do it.

73, Rob (KFØRT)

K8YS

10-15-2004, 01:19 AM

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,21:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
I love that "worst president in history" line.

If I had such a long term memory problem, I would seek medical help.

Can you recall:

Jimmy Carter?
He brought us double digit inflation. Credit went from 4% to 24%. Think about that the next time you look at your Visa bill. Do you remember the "Iranian Students" that held American hostages for 444 days? Or maybe the gold and silver prices, gold hit $1000 per OUNCE. Retailers could not publish catalogs, the prices were out of date before the catalog was out of the print shop. Jimmy "I only lusted in my heart" Carter is real high on the lists of "Worst Presidents".

Bill Clinton?
Impeachment. Loathed the military, the smartest man in the world attended Rhodes, but did not stay very long, instead he went to Russia to complain about America. He spent his time booking nights in the Lincoln Bedroom for anyone willing to pay the money, and spent his spare time NOT having SEX with THAT woman. Bill "BJ" Clinton qualifys for one of the worst presidents in modern history.

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 01:23 AM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,18:19)]I love that "worst president in history" line.

If I had such a long term memory problem, I would seek medical help.

Can you recall:

Jimmy Carter?
He brought us double digit inflation. Credit went from 4% to 24%. Think about that the next time you look at your Visa bill. Do you remember the "Iranian Students" that held American hostages for 444 days? Or maybe the gold and silver prices, gold hit $1000 per OUNCE. Retailers could not publish catalogs, the prices were out of date before the catalog was out of the print shop. Jimmy "I only lusted in my heart" Carter is real high on the lists of "Worst Presidents".

Bill Clinton?
Impeachment. Loathed the military, the smartest man in the world attended Rhodes, but did not stay very long, instead he went to Russia to complain about America. He spent his time booking nights in the Lincoln Bedroom for anyone willing to pay the money, and spent his spare time NOT having SEX with THAT woman. Bill "BJ" Clinton qualifys for one of the worst presidents in modern history.
Don't forget Ulysses S. Grant... also a war hero, by the way:

Quote[/b] ]Grant's presidency was plagued with the suspicion of scandal, especially the Whiskey Ring fraud in which over $3 million in taxes were taken from the federal government. Orville E. Babcock, the private secretary to the President, was indicted as a member of the ring and escaped conviction only because of a presidential pardon. After the Whiskey ring, Grant's Secretary of War William W. Belknap was involved in an investigation which revealed that he had taken bribes in exchange for the sale of Native American trading posts. Although there is no evidence that Grant himself profited from corruption among his subordinates, he did not take a firm stance against malefactors and failed to react strongly even after their guilt was established.

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W8EFA

10-15-2004, 01:27 AM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,18:19)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,21:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
I love that "worst president in history" line.

If I had such a long term memory problem, I would seek medical help.

Can you recall:

Jimmy Carter?
He brought us double digit inflation. Credit went from 4% to 24%. Think about that the next time you look at your Visa bill. Do you remember the "Iranian Students" that held American hostages for 444 days? Or maybe the gold and silver prices, gold hit $1000 per OUNCE. Retailers could not publish catalogs, the prices were out of date before the catalog was out of the print shop. Jimmy "I only lusted in my heart" Carter is real high on the lists of "Worst Presidents".

Bill Clinton?
Impeachment. Loathed the military, the smartest man in the world attended Rhodes, but did not stay very long, instead he went to Russia to complain about America. He spent his time booking nights in the Lincoln Bedroom for anyone willing to pay the money, and spent his spare time NOT having SEX with THAT woman. Bill "BJ" Clinton qualifys for one of the worst presidents in modern history.
YS

In most books and polls Clinton is rated one of the best/most popular 5 Presidents in History. I was just in D.C. recently and in the Presidential history section of the Smithsonian Clinton was rated number 4 all time.

GWB will go down in history as certainly the worst President in this century. Just look at my original post and tell me what is not factual. Not sure about the slasher movie and one or two are rhetoric (Daddy's help) but the rest are all inescapable facts that you head in the sand conservatives refuse to consider.

n3ijw

10-15-2004, 01:41 AM

Your silly resume has already been debunked. And your head would be where exactly? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

W8EFA

10-15-2004, 02:04 AM

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Oct. 14 2004,18:41)]Your silly resume has already been debunked. And your head would be where exactly? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Gee I must have missed the debunking. Please debunk again point by point if you can hamsexy dude.

wa6ccw

10-15-2004, 02:15 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 15 2004,06:05)]Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Oct. 14 2004,14:40)]Ha, ha, ha, you've got a great sense of humor, EFA. I love a good bogus resume:

<a href="http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushresume.htm" target="_blank">
Actually it is on multiple websites and just about all of it is true unfortunately for this country.

What is really sad is the people that will blindly support him no matter how bad his performance is!

<a href="http://www.buzzflash.com/perspec....e"</a>
Oooh absolutely - and to prove that very point, you provide us with a link to the hard-left, bomb throwing, wacko website: "Buzzflash.com".

Please.

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n3ijw

10-15-2004, 02:18 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,22:04)]Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Oct. 14 2004,18:41)]Your silly resume has already been debunked. And your head would be where exactly? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Gee I must have missed the debunking. #Please debunk again point by point if you can hamsexy dude.
Here ya go EFA:

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Oct. 14 2004,19:49)]Doesn't stop me from laughing either. How many times does this thing have to be debunked (http://www.crossbearer.com/opinion/resume.html)?

Note: The above debunking can be found on - wait for it - multiple websites!!

I don't think I'll be posting the entire PDF here on QRZ (or on Hamsexy), but feel free to page through it at your leisure.

k9kxq

10-15-2004, 02:19 AM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,20:19)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,21:55)]Not me , I want him fired! I will cast my vote for Kerry/Edwards... Simple and to the point!! G.W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of all times re-elected or not, and I want NOT...

BTW, AAO if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

kxq
I love that "worst president in history" line.

If I had such a long term memory problem, I would seek medical help.

Can you recall:

Jimmy Carter?
He brought us double digit inflation. Credit went from 4% to 24%. Think about that the next time you look at your Visa bill. Do you remember the "Iranian Students" that held American hostages for 444 days? Or maybe the gold and silver prices, gold hit $1000 per OUNCE. Retailers could not publish catalogs, the prices were out of date before the catalog was out of the print shop. Jimmy "I only lusted in my heart" Carter is real high on the lists of "Worst Presidents".

Bill Clinton?
Impeachment. Loathed the military, the smartest man in the world attended Rhodes, but did not stay very long, instead he went to Russia to complain about America. He spent his time booking nights in the Lincoln Bedroom for anyone willing to pay the money, and spent his spare time NOT having SEX with THAT woman. Bill "BJ" Clinton qualifys for one of the worst presidents in modern history.
quote: "I love that "worst president in history" line."
Hey I like it too!

quote: " If I had such a long term memory problem, I would seek medical help."

Your seeking medical help? not to worry OM, Help is on the way!

No not Mr Carter,imo a good man! Mr Clinton, nope your wrong OM, it was Warren Harding that President Bush was compared to as going down in history as possibly one of the worst.

kxq

K8YS

10-15-2004, 02:20 AM

EFA, I have an idea what you have been smokin', but does the sheriff know?

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 02:25 AM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,19:20)]EFA, I have an idea what you have been smokin', but does the sheriff know?
I bet he didn't inhale! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

k9kxq

10-15-2004, 02:29 AM

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,21:20)]EFA, I have an idea what you have been smokin', but does the sheriff know?
Y (yankee) S (snob) it's not nice to insinuate that Mr EFA is committing an illegal action, you are insulting his intelligence OM...

kxq

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 02:31 AM

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,19:29)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,21:20)]EFA, I have an idea what you have been smokin', but does the sheriff know?
Y (yankee) S (snob) it's not nice to insinuate that Mr EFA is committing an illegal action, you are insulting his intelligence OM...

kxq
And calling someone a Snob isn't?

Oh, I get it! Another in the long line of Liberal Double Standards... we can do it, but you can't!

k9kxq

10-15-2004, 02:35 AM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 14 2004,21:31)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,19:29)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,21:20)]EFA, I have an idea what you have been smokin', but does the sheriff know?
Y (yankee) S (snob) it's not nice to insinuate that Mr EFA is committing an illegal action, you are insulting his intelligence OM...

kxq
And calling someone a Snob isn't?

Oh, I get it! Another in the long line of Liberal Double Standards... we can do it, but you can't!
Phonemics AAO, you know alpha ect! and do you think that was snobbish OM...

kxq

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 02:41 AM

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,19:35)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 14 2004,21:31)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 14 2004,19:29)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,21:20)]EFA, I have an idea what you have been smokin', but does the sheriff know?
Y (yankee) S (snob) it's not nice to insinuate that Mr EFA is committing an illegal action, you are insulting his intelligence OM...

kxq
And calling someone a Snob isn't?

Oh, I get it! Another in the long line of Liberal Double Standards... we can do it, but you can't!
Phonemics AAO, you know alpha ect! and do you think that was snobbish OM...

kxq
I thought it was Yankee Sierra... or is there a different set of recommended phonetics for liberals writing to conservatives?

k9kxq

10-15-2004, 02:53 AM

Jeez AAO, you are correct it is Sierra if you want to be technecal, you know some use different variations.

So I won't argue the point futher... OUT

kxq

nz3m

10-15-2004, 03:02 AM

As hard as I try, I just cannot believe you people hate GW that much, that you ACTUALLY want 2 LAWYERS running this country. I know that you can see what a snake Kerry is. I know you are not that stupid. I think you just dislike GW so much that you don't care. That is wrong, very wrong.

Dave

N6WK

10-15-2004, 03:05 AM

I agree, EFA is Correct. GWB is definately the WORST President in My life time and most likely the Worst ever. Now I realize that some of you are too blind or DUMB to see the truth but oh well. (Sad for You). well actually Sad for all of Us because of it!
It puzzles me how the Extreme Right supporters think Bush is So great. Have you all been living under a rock?? Bush is Ruining this country, My god how can you guys Not see what he has done to our nation.
I have noticed that there are some on here that seem to have Nothing better to do except post all day Promoting a loser and Putting anyone down that should happen to tell the truth.
I sure hope that on Nov 2 I will be able to hear, SORRY you are Right. Bush Is a LOSER!! .... STILL!!..

Time for Change: VOTE KERRY/ EDWARDS on NOV 2

GEORGE RUINED IT IN 4, GIVE HIM NO MORE!

w0dz

10-15-2004, 03:13 AM

I will say it again. Bush will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents in our history. Kerry would be an absolute disaster for this country. Could we be any further apart in our views?

I do not agree with everything GWB has done. But he was placed in a position that demanded strong leadership in one of the most perilous times in U.S. history and he rose to the challenge. Historians cannot help but look favoarbaly on that. Kerry is a sleazy politician who will say anything to get the job. And he is extremely liberal when the bulk of the country is not. That makes him so wrong for the job that I can't even believe I have to say it.

It is NOT time for a change. The two Johns need to be sent packing, and fast, before they wreck this country.

K9STH

10-15-2004, 03:15 AM

OK, children (and I use that term loosely, I really want to use a stronger term), enough is enough!

If everyone doesn't calm down I will have to shut this particular thread down. That goes for both sides of the "question".

Now, for my personal "take" (and not as a moderator):

First of all Jimmy Carter was/is an honorable person. He was just a lousey President. The first time I met him was when he was running for the governorship of the State of Georgia. Also, he attended Georgia Tech before going on to the Naval Academy so he can't be all that bad!

Herman Ulyses Grant, better known as Ulyses Simpson Grant (due to a mixup on the part of the Member of Congress who appointed him to West Point) was also an honorable person. Unfortunately, he surrounded himself with all sorts of persons of much less honor including his own brother. As such, his administration was wrought with fraud and other major problems.

William Jefferson Clinton (whom I did meet but am not one to "brag" about the fact) was popular yet he, and his wife, were involved in all sorts of "shady deals" before his election to the Presidency and his involvement with "that woman" as well as other things led to his impeachment (yes, he, along with Andrew Johnson, WAS impeached). He, like Andrew Johnson, was not convicted by the Senate (little chance due to the primary "split" along party lines). There is a difference between impeachment and conviction. The House of Representatives impeaches and the Senate serves as the trial jury.

Now, a question that I asked of EFA in another thread to which I did not see an answer:

It was stated by another person that you are a volunteer for John F. Kerry's campaign. However, if you either affirmed or denied this I missed your post. Frankly, I am curious as to whether or not you are volunteering your time, efforts, or the like for the Kerry campaign. I definitely do not hold this against you if you are. No matter what candidate that someone supports I definitely encourage working for that candidate if one believes strongly that the particular candidate represents the views of the person who is volunteering. The fact that my personal views are opposite of yours does not diminish my respect for you especially if you are volunteering.

Myself, due to the fact that I am the election judge for Precincts 48 and 55 in Collin County, Texas, I do not make any public display for any candidate, Republican, Democratic, Libertarian, Independent, Green, or any other. The only political sign that I allow in my yard, and that is actually my wife's sign, is for our local State of Texas House of Representative member. He has been a personal friend for going on 30 years, his youngest daughter and my middle daughter were best friends from kindergarten all the way through high school, he lives 5 blocks from me, and he took me with him to personally meet Ronald Reagan!

Frankly, if I lived about 0.375 miles farther south this would put me in Dallas County and not Collin County. Since I have been involved in politics in Collin County since shortly after moving to the county in 1972 I do enjoy being a "big fish in a little pond" rather than being a "little fish in a big pond" which I would be if I lived in Dallas County. It was the actions of a county commissioner who refused to repair a 0.25 mile section of road in my neighborhood that got me involved in politics. The road was actually dirt for the 0.25 mile section that still belonged to the county. The street on both ends belonged to the city and were paved, etc.

The commissioner told me that people in my area didn't vote for him so he wasn't going to fix the road! That one thing got me involved in politics! We got him out and gained the county judge's position as well. After that, we didn't look back! Unlike 1972 when every office in the county was Democrat every office since 1982 was Republican except for one justice of the peace and one constable. Those persons switched parties in 1986. Since then the Democrats seldom even run for many of the county offices. The election is actually in the primary which can get pretty "bloody"!

Anyway, EFA are you a Kerry volunteer or not?

Glen, K9STH

K3STX

10-15-2004, 03:20 AM

DZ,

How funny, I was just getting ready to type that I suspect that Bush will go down in history as one of our worst presidents! He single-handedly brought all US citizens together after 9/11 and then tore us apart at the seams within 3 years. Impressive.

For the life of me, I can not see what ANY of you see in this guy other than the facts that he is hard-headed, persistent, and repetitive (I've got to give him those).

paul

k9kxq

10-15-2004, 03:21 AM

Quote[/b] (AB3BK @ Oct. 14 2004,22:02)]As hard as I try, I just cannot believe you people hate GW that much, that you ACTUALLY want 2 LAWYERS running this country. #I know that you can see what a snake Kerry is. #I know you are not that stupid. #I think you just dislike GW so much that you don't care. #That is wrong, very wrong.

Dave
Excuse me, BUT I do not hate anyone, especialy our President, I dislike his policy and what our govenment has become and it's up to me as an American to change this with my vote, matter of fact it's my duty...

kxq

w0dz

10-15-2004, 03:27 AM

He did not tear us apart at the seams. Democrat "leaders" who want control back did that by undermining the war effort once it was decided. They voted for it, the public was overwhelming in favor of it, and they have done nothing but criticize it ever since, thus giving aid and comfort to the enemy when they should be presenting a united front. It makes me sick.

W8EFA

10-15-2004, 03:30 AM

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Oct. 14 2004,19:18)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,22:04)]Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Oct. 14 2004,18:41)]Your silly resume has already been debunked. And your head would be where exactly? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Gee I must have missed the debunking. #Please debunk again point by point if you can hamsexy dude.
Here ya go EFA:

Quote[/b] (n3ijw @ Oct. 14 2004,19:49)]Doesn't stop me from laughing either. How many times does this thing have to be debunked (http://www.crossbearer.com/opinion/resume.html)?

Note: The above debunking can be found on - wait for it - multiple websites!!

I don't think I'll be posting the entire PDF here on QRZ (or on Hamsexy), but feel free to page through it at your leisure.
Wel I read the whole thing. Not much of a de-bunk to me. Most accusations he blames on Congress, others he says he can find no facts that were cited, and others he admits are true, others he just makes excuses, he actually does factually de-bunk a few though not very many.

For example he claims we were more divided in 1968 well the Vietnam war was a more reasonable dividing issue than the President himself causing division. Boy that really makes me feel better - this President who claimed to be the uniter has only divided us the 2nd worse in history.

Again his policy of dis-engagement he cites things might have actually been worse in 1973. Boy that is a real de-bunk. Yes he let things get worse but they might hae been worse 30 years ago.

On the claims we have lost more freedoms and civil liberties he claims no proof is given. What planet has he been on? Homeland Security has gone too far and a lot of people have been complaining about it.

He claims there is no Poll taken on the claim we are more un-popular in the world than we have ever been. We all know the truth just look at the world news Come -on!

Again just a few examples - Bush can make all the excuses he wants but the fact of the matter is the President get's the credit and he also has to take the blame for performance on his watch

N6WK

10-15-2004, 03:31 AM

STH,
I see your warning Glen, I don't think this thread is out of control. Perhaps it goes against your Point of view but still, Not out of Control. We are all entitled to our opinions, and I can tell from your posts who you support. Isn't most of texas republican ?? Come on, Let the Debates continue a bit longer. No one is calling names yet or getting Nasty that I see.

DZ,
Does the public still support it now that we know the president Lied to us about why we needed to go to war??
The answer is NO NO NO!!!

Bush is tearing this Country apart!
IMHO

W8EFA

10-15-2004, 03:50 AM

Glen - I am not sure why you are curious if I am a Kerry Volunteer but let me answer your question and then you can tell me why it is important.

Actually I am. #I do polling out of the Middletown Ohio office every Wednesday from 5:00 to 9:00, and have done it the last 6 weeks. #I also have been canvassing every Saturday for 3 or 4 hours.

Actually it has been very interesting as I have never done this before. #I had a couple of people ask me who was running! #I had a gay guy I couldn't get off the phone and who basically at the end tried to "pick me up". #

The most interesting was a guy last Saturday that came to the door, saw our Kerry buttons on our shirt, and started yelling and screaming at me that he hated Democrats, calling Kerry names etc. #Me and my partner immediately ske-daddled off his property. #

He keep screaming at me as we proceeded down his driveway, and I finally had enough abuse. #When I got out to the street I invited him to come on out to the street which he immediately went back in the house. #At that point I don't know if he was intimidated (I am 6'4 225lbs and in shape), or #getting his guns so we went on down the street. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif # Anyway looking back it was pretty funny - and see not all liberals are pacifists!

I feel strongly that Kerry will be a great President. #I don't dislike GWB personally, I have stated before I think he loves his country and is a patriot- I just think he was unqualified and #incompetent and #his record speaks for itself - we need a change.

How any of you can justify this war is beyond me. #
The economy is a mess.
He took a huge budget surplus and turned it into the largest defecit in our history.
Went from 32 Million in Poverty to 36 Million.
He is the only President in 70 years to lose jobs on his watch.
Gas prices, health care costs have risen dramatically.
We have lost all credibilty in the world. #
He is rated the worst President ever by the Sierra club on the environment. #
The teachers unions are unanimous against him because of his testing mandates without the funds to support the additional costs. #
He is for large corporations and against the middle class and all you middle classers don't seem to understand that. #Economists have said if he had given the tax cuts to the middle class they would have been spent and would have created the jobs we needed.

n3ijw

10-15-2004, 03:58 AM

EFA, here are a couple of your remarks earlier in this thread concerning the "resume" you posted:

"Actually it is on multiple websites and just about all of it is true unfortunately for this country."

"Not sure about the slasher movie and one or two are rhetoric (Daddy's help) but the rest are all inescapable facts"

The above remarks seem to be incorrect. Or misleading, or lies, or maybe I just don't understand the nuance. No matter how hard you try to rationalize it or spin away any evidence to the contrary, the "resume" is a bunch of hooey. You give us source material from a satire website, I give you a thoroughly researched counterargument, and suddenly I'm supposed to be watching the "world news"? What channel is that on? And what makes them so correct?

Conclusion: The original post in this thread, by you, containing a "resume" that you claimed was almost entirely factual, is almost entirely bunk. There's your facts.

W8EFA

10-15-2004, 04:42 AM

Your "thoroughly researched counterargument" is long on excuses and pretty short on facts, kind of like this administration. #I pointed out #examples where their debunking consisted of excuses like yes the country is divided, yes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has gotten worse but both might have been worse 30 or 40 years ago. That is not debunking that is spinning and making excuses! #

On all the financial issues he basically claims Congress or factors outside his control. #Sorry charlie the president is supposed to lead congress and GWB doesn't even work with his own party that well. #He promised Job creation with his huge Tax cuts and they did not produce the boost to the economy he promised and was fiscally irresponsible when you are running a huge defecit.

He doesn't even address issues like our loss of stature and credibility in the world.

I read it closely and didn't find most of it credible.

k5rna

10-15-2004, 05:42 AM

I will post this one more time for the liberals and the ones with a short memory.To the ones who keep harping on the fact Bush was governer when many exectuions took place,no Tx governor can give more than one,(read that again) one 30 day stay and can not pardon any one with out a recomandition from the board of parole and pardons.Also Bush did try to get the epa to let oil be drilled in Alaska and the lower 48.It is the people who do not want the drilling in their back yards.And another thing,the forigen oil producers are not stupid.They know most americans love their gas hogs and will pay any price for gasoline.Seems the americans didn't learn a thing in 73, or either not old enuff to remember.And Glen,you can be assured efa is not licensed to practice law here in Texas as he seems to know nothing about Texas laws. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

k5rna

10-15-2004, 06:13 AM

Sorry but i had to wait until i stopped laughing enough to get up off the floor before posting this.EFA's comment that Bush coulden't find any oil in Texas ha #ha ha.oooops sorry about that. Wonder if he even knows what the EPA is.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Sorry i have to edit so much but i make so many typo mistakes.Still can't stop laughing.

k9kjm

10-15-2004, 07:30 AM

Yes, A dismal record for Bush. BUT much better than Kerry's record of extreme left wing votes. (When he bothered to vote at all)

n3ijw

10-15-2004, 11:04 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 15 2004,00:42)]Your "thoroughly researched counterargument" is long on excuses and pretty short on facts, kind of like this administration. #I pointed out #examples where their debunking consisted of excuses like yes the country is divided, yes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has gotten worse but both might have been worse 30 or 40 years ago. That is not debunking that is spinning and making excuses! #

On all the financial issues he basically claims Congress or factors outside his control. #Sorry charlie the president is supposed to lead congress and GWB doesn't even work with his own party that well. #He promised Job creation with his huge Tax cuts and they did not produce the boost to the economy he promised and was fiscally irresponsible when you are running a huge defecit.

He doesn't even address issues like our loss of stature and credibility in the world.

I read it closely and didn't find most of it credible.
And precisely where is the credibility in your "resume"?

You were wrong, end of story.

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 12:38 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,20:30)]Wel I read the whole thing. Not much of a de-bunk to me. Most accusations he blames on Congress, others he says he can find no facts that were cited, and others he admits are true, others he just makes excuses, he actually does factually de-bunk a few though not very many.
News flash, EFA...

The President actually has very few powers. Most of what you complain about actually has to go through Congress.

Tax cut? Congress had to pass it.

War in Iraq? Congress had to authorize it (which both Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards voted "aye" to).

Drilling in Alaska? Congress has to pass it.

Kyoto treaty? Had to be approved by the Senate... and it wasn't.

Maybe you need to concentrate your hatred on Congress, not the President.

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KC0LFV

10-15-2004, 01:18 PM

Quote[/b] ]He single-handedly brought all US citizens together after 9/11 and then tore us apart at the seams within 3 years. Impressive.

The American citizens are tearing this country apart, by the pointless bickering and name calling.

Does anybody on here REALLY think that they will change anybody elses opinion on who to vote for?

K9STH

10-15-2004, 02:21 PM

WK:

The caution was due to the "name calling", etc., that was starting to get "out of hand" and neither side was "innocent" on that one! So long as the rules of the road of QRZ.com are obeyed I will not shut down a thread no matter how the discussion is going.

Again, the "rules of the road":

No profanity

No obscenities

No personal attacks

EFA:

The reason I asked is because your comments and responses are pretty much what is posted on Kerry's website, the DNC websites, etc. As such I was pretty well convinced that you were working for the campaign. Again, there is nothing wrong with that. It is just that your responses and comments have been a bit too much a repetition of the "party line" than would be expected from someone who was not involved with the campaign itself.

Glen, K9STH

W8EFA

10-15-2004, 02:34 PM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 15 2004,05:38)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,20:30)]Wel I read the whole thing. #Not much of a de-bunk to me. Most accusations he blames on Congress, others he says he can find no facts that were cited, and others he admits are true, others he just makes excuses, he actually does factually de-bunk a few though not very many.
News flash, EFA...

The President actually has very few powers. Most of what you complain about actually has to go through Congress.

Tax cut? Congress had to pass it.

War in Iraq? Congress had to authorize it (which both Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards voted "aye" to).

Drilling in Alaska? Congress has to pass it.

Kyoto treaty? Had to be approved by the Senate... and it wasn't.

Maybe you need to concentrate your hatred on Congress, not the President.

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You are going to blame the War on Iraq on Congress? Come-on AAO - get real. That is pretty funny.. please don't even respond I don't have te time to explain to you that this war was driven by the bush administration not congress. You have to know that anyway if you don't there is no hope for you.

W8EFA

10-15-2004, 02:37 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Oct. 15 2004,07:21)]WK:

The caution was due to the "name calling", etc., that was starting to get "out of hand" and neither side was "innocent" on that one! #So long as the rules of the road of QRZ.com are obeyed I will not shut down a thread no matter how the discussion is going.

Again, the "rules of the road":

No profanity

No obscenities

No personal attacks

EFA:

The reason I asked is because your comments and responses are pretty much what is posted on Kerry's website, the DNC websites, etc. #As such I was pretty well convinced that you were working for the campaign. #Again, there is nothing wrong with that. #It is just that your responses and comments have been a bit too much a repetition of the "party line" than would be expected from someone who was not involved with the campaign itself.

Glen, K9STH
Glen, guess I don't understand your logic. Of course as a kerry supporter i would be stating the Kerry plan and the Bush non-performance issues. beinhg a volunteer doesn't really give me any more insight - it is all there for evryone to see.

Let me ask you a question since you fancy yourself a 'historian". What do you think of John F. Kennedy?

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 04:02 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 15 2004,07:34)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 15 2004,05:38)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,20:30)]Wel I read the whole thing. #Not much of a de-bunk to me. Most accusations he blames on Congress, others he says he can find no facts that were cited, and others he admits are true, others he just makes excuses, he actually does factually de-bunk a few though not very many.
News flash, EFA...

The President actually has very few powers. Most of what you complain about actually has to go through Congress.

Tax cut? Congress had to pass it.

War in Iraq? Congress had to authorize it (which both Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards voted "aye" to).

Drilling in Alaska? Congress has to pass it.

Kyoto treaty? Had to be approved by the Senate... and it wasn't.

Maybe you need to concentrate your hatred on Congress, not the President.

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You are going to blame the War on Iraq on Congress? #Come-on AAO - get real. #That is pretty funny.. please don't even respond I don't have te time to explain to you that this war was driven by the bush administration not congress. #You have to know that anyway if you don't there is no hope for you.
Congress voted to give the President the authorization to use force in Iraq. It was passed by the 107th Congress (2001-2002), and is titled H. J. Res 114. Here is a link to the bill (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:H.J.RES.114:) on the Library of Congress' "Thomas" system.

Even if it is true that it was "pushed" by the Bush administration, Congress could have said no. Therefore, Congress, including Senators Kerry and Edwards, bear at least some of the blame or credit for Iraq.

You should know better than to argue facts with me by now, William.

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K9QJ

10-15-2004, 05:38 PM

He really has to be re-defeated.

N6WK

10-15-2004, 05:42 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Oct. 15 2004,15:21)]WK:

The caution was due to the "name calling", etc., that was starting to get "out of hand" and neither side was "innocent" on that one! #So long as the rules of the road of QRZ.com are obeyed I will not shut down a thread no matter how the discussion is going.
Ok Glen,
I didn't see the name calling. Sorry about that.
WK

K3STX

10-15-2004, 05:47 PM

AAO: You really think the president has little power over the Congress? I wish I had some of the stuff you are smokin'. Come down here to Washington and see how REAL hardball politics works! Your "sweetie-pie good-old boy innocent as a school-girl" president is one of the most RUTHLESS presidents we have ever had.

He himself cites his "lack of influence" for his decision NOT to try to uphold the assault weapon ban (he said it would fail anyway). Nearly every US Attorney and law enforcement agency BEGGED him to intervene, and he sat back and did NOTHING.

Great leader.

paul

n3ijw

10-15-2004, 05:54 PM

Bad example, Paul. Real street cops thought the assault weapons ban was a crock.

N7AAO

10-15-2004, 06:11 PM

Quote[/b] (K3STX @ Oct. 15 2004,10:47)]AAO: You really think the president has little power over the Congress? I wish I had some of the stuff you are smokin'. Come down here to Washington and see how REAL hardball politics works! Your "sweetie-pie good-old boy innocent as a school-girl" president is one of the most RUTHLESS presidents we have ever had.

He himself cites his "lack of influence" for his decision NOT to try to uphold the assault weapon ban (he said it would fail anyway). Nearly every US Attorney and law enforcement agency BEGGED him to intervene, and he sat back and did NOTHING.

Great leader.

paul
And that "ruthless" President has had many of his judicial nominees held up in committee for how long? Yeah, that's a real hardball player, can't even get his nominees voted on, much less confirmed.

I ain't smokin nothin, OM, sorry.

K8YS

10-15-2004, 06:16 PM

BAD example Paul,
The "assualt weapons ban" was just a touchy feely warm fuzzy law that really never do anything except drive the price of some firearms to new record prices.

Anyone that has an understanding of a firearm will tell you that a ban is not going to work, especially if the ban is based on LOOKS and not function, and this is exactly what the "assualt weapons" ban was all about -- LOOKS.

Bad law by bad law makers.

Reminds me of an Amplifier Ban. Bad law, bad law makers.

W4TEY

10-15-2004, 06:18 PM

You want to see how low and desperate the Demos have gotten see link. By the way, the latest Zogby poll has Bush up by 4.

W4TEY

10-15-2004, 06:21 PM

Well apparently I don't know what the heck I'm doing. Heres the link. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1951

N7AAO

10-16-2004, 12:26 AM

Quote[/b] (W4TEY @ Oct. 15 2004,11:21)]Well apparently I don't know what the heck I'm doing. Heres the link. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1951
I don't think that needs any further comment... so I'll reply just to bump this up higher so more people can see it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

N6WK

10-16-2004, 02:28 AM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 16 2004,01:26)]Quote[/b] (W4TEY @ Oct. 15 2004,11:21)]Well apparently I don't know what the heck I'm doing. Heres the link. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1951
I don't think that needs any further comment... so I'll reply just to bump this up higher so more people can see it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Like we really care if you "Bump" it.. God you need a life dude!

N7AAO

10-16-2004, 02:32 AM

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Oct. 15 2004,19:28)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 16 2004,01:26)]Quote[/b] (W4TEY @ Oct. 15 2004,11:21)]Well apparently I don't know what the heck I'm doing. Heres the link. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1951
I don't think that needs any further comment... so I'll reply just to bump this up higher so more people can see it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Like we really care if you "Bump" it.. God you need a life dude!
Got a life, thanks. In fact, got eternal life. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Thanks for bumping it again... and then letting me bump it once more. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

K9STH

10-16-2004, 03:08 AM

EFA:

First of all, John F. Kennedy is one of two Presidents from Eisenhower through the present George W. Bush that I never met. Gerald Ford was the other one.

Now, for my "personal take" on JFK:

Mixed emotions! His actions in the Cuban missle crises was admirable although he did make some concessions in Europe that later proved not to have really been necessary. But, at the time I believe that he acted prudently with the intellegence that was provided (just like George W. Bush acted on the intellegence that he was provided - same intellegence to Kerry). Then, he stopped the military aid to the Cuban nationals when they attacked at the Bay of Pigs. Frankly, this was wrong, especially when he had been "in on" the planning, etc. To withdraw the promised military aid after the attack had been initiated was, in my opinion, criminal.

His economic endeavors would be considered treasonous to the Democratic Party these days! There has been such a "shift" of objectives. Also, his statement "don't ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" most certainly does not fit with the "more government involvement" that the Democratic Party is "pushing for" these days.

Personally it turns out that he was quite the womanizer! In fact, from the various accounts that have been published in the past several years he put William Jefferson Clinton to "shame". Also, due to his various back injuries he had to take a number of "pain killers". Those "pain killers" had to have a definite effect on his ability to function at times.

As for his PT-109 actions, he definitely was heroic in what he did to save most of his crew. However, had his father not been the Ambassador to the Court of Saint James (United Kingdom) he would have been court-marshalled for allowing his PT boat to be run down in the first place.

Had he not been killed I am not sure how he would have been appraised in the long run. He was popular (being the youngest President to ever be elected), good looking (thus popular with the "fairer" sex), had a very good personalty (at least in public), and so forth. However, his political actions were not in keeping with what the Democratic Party has adopted. As such, I really don't know how he would have "faired" later in his administration.

Today Kennedy would be considered either a conservative Democrat or might even be considered a moderate Republican. In Texas before the mid-1970s there were really two parties, the conservative Democrats and the liberal Democrats. The Republican Party was in existence but was not a "factor" in politics in the state. However, as the liberal wing of the Democratic Party began to sieze power the more conservative members started switching to the Republican Party.

Starting in 1974 the Republican Party started winning local elections. In many areas the Democratic Party started "Gerrymandering" the election districts to try to keep Republicans from being elected. These included 10 foot wide "strips" several miles long to connect Democratic strongholds to counteract smaller Republican areas. In fact, one of those strips was used to connect a Democratic area in Dallas with one in Plano and it ran up U.S. Highway 75. To keep everything "legal", one city block in Richardson was included in this area! Those people had to go several miles to vote yet there was a polling place within blocks of their homes. There were something like 18 voters who lived in that particular block!

But, anyway, whenever one party gains control of any state they definitely redraw a number of the districts to help with control of the House of Representatives. This is true of both the Republicans as well as the Democrats. It is just that the Democrats held control in so many southern states for so long that when the Republicans gained control of the state houses that the Democrats cried "foul" when the Republicans turned the tables on them! In my opinion both were wrong. But, there are definitely those who believe "turn about is fair play"!

Glen, K9STH

N6WK

10-16-2004, 03:19 AM

No Problem Dude. You know, if you didn't bag on everyone so much, the guys probably wouldn't be hitting back at you and Glen would NOT have to shut down the threads and enforce the "Rules of the Road"!
Just my opinion tho.

You seem to have an opinion about Everything and when someone Disagrees with you, You Hound them to death with your posts but If someone ask you a question in return, Oh that is NOT relevant!! OMG
Just like when you and I were posting back and forth a while back about being in Vietnam and then you started crying that I was "Picking on you" because you have a Medical problem..

I was Never picking on you . If you "Dish it Out" expect to get it in Return!!

I realize that you are going to do what you have to do. but From My point of view...You asked for it!
But then again, That is "only my Opinion!

BTW, You might "THINK" you have Eternal Life but God might just think otherwise.. just a Thought! and you should "THINK about it before your next Post!!

kc7jty

10-16-2004, 06:55 PM

Unapologetic, chronic bungling frat boy with a goofy idiot laugh.......Come on Georgie.....you can screw the hell out of the country on that mission from God of yours much more than you've already done.
There, "Mission from God" on his resume. How could anyone refuse that?.....wait! I forgot bloody hands.

K9STH

10-16-2004, 08:55 PM

WK:

Let us consider the following:

California is a major producer of citrus fruits, grapes (especially in the "wine country"), apples (from northern California), and so on.

The state also produces quite a number of various nut crops including almonds, pecans, walnuts, etc.

The California State Department of Agriculture and quite a number of local Chambers of Commerce definitely promote these products. As such, California can be considered the "land of the fruits and nuts".

Now, if you are in a better position than the aforementioned agencies to judge this then please state your credentials. Remember that the dictionary definitation of both terms is as follows (taken from my copy of Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary Deluxe Second Edition):

fruit: any plant product, as grain, flax, vegetables, etc. The edible part of a plant or tree consisting of the seeds and pulpy surrounding tissues: usually distinguished from the vegetable only when the latter also consists of leaves, root, etc.

nut: the dry, one-seeded fruit of any of various trees or bushes, consisting of a kernel, often edible, in a hard and woody or tough and leathery shell, more or less separable from the seed itself: walnuts, pecans, chestnuts, acorns, etc. are all nuts.

As such, I do not believe that I "owe" anyone an apology for referring to California as the "land of the fruits and nuts". This is akin to referring to the "promised land" in Biblical terms as the "land of milk and honey". However, I do admit that Florida and Texas both produce a lot of fruits (including citrus fruits) and nuts (pecans are produced all over the State of Texas) as does California. In fact, the Great Lakes fruit belt produces a lot of apples, peaches, grapes, pears, etc. as well as a goodly number of nuts. More peaches come from northern Indiana and southern Michigan than from the "Peach State" of Georgia.

Glen, K9STH

nx6d

10-16-2004, 09:39 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Oct. 16 2004,12:55)]As such, I do not believe that I "owe" anyone an apology for referring to California as the "land of the fruits and nuts". #This is akin to referring to the "promised land" in Biblical terms as the "land of milk and honey". #However, I do admit that Florida and Texas both produce a lot of fruits (including citrus fruits) and nuts (pecans are produced all over the State of Texas) as does California. #In fact, the Great Lakes fruit belt produces a lot of apples, peaches, grapes, pears, etc. as well as a goodly number of nuts. #More peaches come from northern Indiana and southern Michigan than from the "Peach State" of Georgia.

Glen, K9STH
STH:

I hope you're kidding re: the F&N issue.

Despite your "logic", It's clear when anyone uses the "F&N" phrase they aren't trying to promote California agriculture. It's a cutesy slur, plain and simple, and usually used by less enlightened people.

WX7B

N6WK

10-16-2004, 09:43 PM

STH,
Glen, I am quite aware that there are many Almond growers and Citrus Groves here in california. So I ask you, when you made the comment referring to california as "the land of fruits and nuts" You were actually talking about Citrus and Almonds ?? Honestly http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I am having a hard time believing that considering the context of the message it was made in.

WK

N7AAO

10-16-2004, 09:58 PM

Ya know, gentlemen, speaking thusly to the moderator of this here forum may not be the wisest thing to do.

Just thought I'd mention that.

nx6d

10-16-2004, 10:05 PM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 16 2004,13:58)]Ya know, gentlemen, speaking thusly to the moderator of this here forum may not be the wisest thing to do.

Just thought I'd mention that.
Input noted and ignored.

STH choses to participate as well as "moderate". I see no reason to respond any differently to him than I would anyone else when he's in participant mode.

WX7B

N6WK

10-16-2004, 10:33 PM

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 16 2004,22:58)]Ya know, gentlemen, speaking thusly to the moderator of this here forum may not be the wisest thing to do.

Just thought I'd mention that.
Noted. It's nice to know you CARE about us.
However, We are speaking to Glen in a Civil manner and are Obeying all the rules. No problem here.
He is posting as a user (Doesn't have his Moderator Hat on)

K6UEY

10-16-2004, 10:49 PM

Well I came to California in the summer of 1946 and it was a totally different place then to what it is now. I would have to agree with Glen,in either context his statements rings true. The liberal Socialists have taken over the state,and almost any kookie thing is now the norm.
Look where the 9th Federal Court is housed, need any thing else be said?? # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

K9STH

10-16-2004, 11:03 PM

When I am not having to wear a moderator's hat I am just as "open" for comments as anyone else.

Now, one can interpret my comment however they want to!

Just let me say that my wife was born in Glendale, California (as were both of her sisters), we both have all sorts of relatives who live in the state, my middle daughter (a native born Texan) was living in Orange County, California until about 15 months ago when she, her husband, and 3 children moved to the Phoenix, Arizona (Scottsdale to be exact) area. And so on.

However, virtually all of our California relatives refer to the state using the same terms. Now, one of my wife's cousin's husband is the general manager of a large fruit and produce company headquartered in the Los Angeles area. He definitely knows about fruits and nuts. So, I will leave it up to one's personal interpretation as to what my statement (made several months ago) means.

Besides, I definitely like oranges, lemons, limes, apples, grapes, and quite a number of other fruits as well as almonds, pecans, filberts, walnuts, and a number of other nuts as well.

Glen, K9STH

N7AAO

10-16-2004, 11:05 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Oct. 16 2004,16:03)]When I am not having to wear a moderator's hat I am just as "open" for comments as anyone else.

Now, one can interpret my comment however they want to!

Just let me say that my wife was born in Glendale, California (as were both of her sisters), we both have all sorts of relatives who live in the state, my middle daughter (a native born Texan) was living in Orange County, California until about 15 months ago when she, her husband, and 3 children moved to the Phoenix, Arizona (Scottsdale to be exact) area. And so on.

However, virtually all of our California relatives refer to the state using the same terms. Now, one of my wife's cousin's husband is the general manager of a large fruit and produce company headquartered in the Los Angeles area. He definitely knows about fruits and nuts. So, I will leave it up to one's personal interpretation as to what my statement (made several months ago) means.

Besides, I definitely like oranges, lemons, limes, apples, grapes, and quite a number of other fruits as well as almonds, pecans, filberts, walnuts, and a number of other nuts as well.

Glen, K9STH
Glen, I have the honor (or dishonor, depending on how one looks at it) to have been born just south of San Francisco. I also had the fortune (or misfortune) of living most of my life in that state.

So, speaking as a former Californian, and one with a good deal of experience with that state, I can honestly say... calling Californians fruits and nuts is insulting... to the fruits and nuts! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif