Kerry Anti-AMERICAN?

[K8YS]

I heard today, on The Godfather's radio show, Roger Hedgecock sitting in, that Kerry has been DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED from the USNR in 1972.

OK!! So "protect and defend the Constitution" did not mean much to him back then, what has changed?

EFA, spin this one, explain away.


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[k3unx]

Hmmm.... that would explain why he won't release his service records, wouldn't it?

It would seem that being dishonorably discharged would eliminate him from holding public office, but I'm not sure about that either.

73
Jonathan
K3UNX

[ai4ep]

who cares about his military record, I aint gonna vote for him any way.

[KB1GYQ]

To bad they don't take call in questions in tonight's(10/13) press conferance....

[ai4ep]

a debate where folks send in their questions via e-mail would be nice

but first some of us would have to learn how to spell and correct punctuation of a message---like capitalization of the first letter of a sentence...like not putting in a bunch of dots between statements...and a few other things like not putting ( things / words ) in brackets in their sentences.


hee hee hee

[w5klb]

YS:

Make no mistake about it, I am NOT crazy about Kerry making it to the White House, and I don't care about circumstances involving his medals or his service. But I find it a little difficult to beleave that he got a Dishonorable Discharge from the service. Getting a discharge like that is a FEDERAL FELLONY CONVICTION. I don't think he could run for President under those circumstances. I have been present some Captain Mast, and Court Marshalls when I was the Navy and most all of those individuals had to do time in a Federal Prison.

As someone who will NOT vote for Kerry under ANY circumstances, I think this is another ugly rumor being spread around.

Sorry, but I am not buying this one.

Any references to Vietnam service is disallowed in this election period, precident set by Mr. Clinton. Lets see, where was he during his tour of service?

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Oct. 13 2004,22:42)]YS:

Make no mistake about it, I am NOT crazy about Kerry making it to the White House, and I don't care about circumstances involving his medals or his service. But I find it a little difficult to beleave that he got a Dishonorable Discharge from the service. Getting a discharge like that is a FEDERAL FELLONY CONVICTION. I don't think he could run for President under those circumstances. I have been present some Captain Mast, and Court Marshalls when I was the Navy and most all of those individuals had to do time in a Federal Prison.

As someone who will NOT vote for Kerry under ANY circumstances, I think this is another ugly rumor being spread around.

Sorry, but I am not buying this one.
As has been stated many times before, this too could be answered if only Kerry would authorize the release of the records.... but he doesn't... why?

[w5klb]

See, this is what I don't understand about the thread. If someone wanted to fine out about Kerry's discharge, they could do this though The Freedom of Information Act. They couldn't give you the details, but someone could find out about his discharge

If his discharge was Dishonorable, don't you think that the GOP would have found out by now and would be hammering Kerry on this? So far, I haven't heard any of the "powers that be" in the GOP doing this. Maybe the reason for this is because that they already know about his discharge.

To be fair, I think we need a little more crediable evidence on this matter. Otherwise the only thing we can do is speculate. And with appologies to Mr. YS, pure speculation is what this thread is about. We need to talk issues on what we beleave is true from his past performace, which isn't that good. Speculation just doesn't "cut it" for me.

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (N7SYY @ Oct. 13 2004,20:23)]Any references to Vietnam service is disallowed in this election period, precident set by Mr. Clinton. Lets see, where was he during his tour of service?
Klinton NEVER served one day in the military. As matter of record, he escaped the draft during Vietnam by going to merry ol' England to get his Rhodes Scholarship. I have another name for this ploy: DRAFT DODGER!!

Don't get me started, you KNOW how I can get!

[W5MEJ]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 13 2004,12:13)]I heard today, on The Godfather's radio show, Roger Hedgecock sitting in, that Kerry has been DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED from the USNR in 1972.
I don't know who "The Godfather" is. #For that matter I don't know who Roger Hedgecock is.

Fact is, though, #John Kerry has documents posted on his website that show an Honorable Discharge. #George W. Bush also has verifiable documents that show he has an Honorable Discharge.

Can we please move the discussion of the candidates forward three decades to more relevant topics?

Chuck

[W8EFA]

Who in the heck is the Godfather, your next door neighbor. I am sorry you are from Ohio....geez.

Kerry was honorably discharged as a war hero!

ie.
Bronze Star Citation for Lieutenant JG Kerry

"For heroic achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam on 13 March 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY was serving as Officer-in-Charge of Inshore Patrol Craft 94, one of five boats conducting a SEA LORDS operation in the Bay Hap river. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated close aboard his Inshore Patrol Craft knocking a man into the water and wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY then directed his boat to return and assist the other damaged Inshore Patrol Craft. His crew attached a line and towed the damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 13 2004,22:02)]Who in the heck is the Godfather, your next door neighbor. #I am sorry you are from Ohio....geez.

Kerry was honorably discharged as a war hero!

ie.
Bronze Star Citation for Lieutenant JG Kerry

"For heroic achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam on 13 March 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY was serving as Officer-in-Charge of Inshore Patrol Craft 94, one of five boats conducting a SEA LORDS operation in the Bay Hap river. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated close aboard his Inshore Patrol Craft knocking a man into the water and wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY then directed his boat to return and assist the other damaged Inshore Patrol Craft. His crew attached a line and towed the damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."
Honorably Discharged... yes.

You forgot to add after is Honorable Discharge, he protested the war with Hanoi Jane, thew his medals away in protest, then admitted to it in 1972 on a morning program on WRC in Washington DC, then went to Paris and sold his country out by attesting to "war crimes" our troops had done to THE ENEMY and placing a lot of Vietnam POW's lives in danger.

Some "War Hero", huh?

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Oct. 14 2004,01:39)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 13 2004,12:13)]I heard today, on The Godfather's radio show, Roger Hedgecock sitting in, that Kerry has been DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED from the USNR in 1972.
I don't know who "The Godfather" is. For that matter I don't know who Roger Hedgecock is.

Fact is, though, John Kerry has documents posted on his website that show an Honorable Discharge. George W. Bush also has verifiable documents that show he has an Honorable Discharge.

Can we please move the discussion of the candidates forward three decades to more relevant topics?

Chuck
you guys! if it is not "Air America" you have no concept of whats going on around you!

The "Godfather" is what Neal Boortz calls Rush Limbaugh...

Neal Boortz is... aww, never mind, it is beyond explaination for some.

Kerry may actually be honorably discharged, but he DID meet with representitives of a communist nation, one that the USA was actively engaged in armed conflict, while Kerry was still a commissioned naval officer - THAT IS NOT HONORABLE, that is TREASON.

[K6UEY]

A Little food for thought;
One guy runs off to England in times of War to beat the draft,and publically bad mouths the country and he is elected president,for 2 terms.

Another goes to VN during a WAR, for the purpose of gathering medals for his campaign and he commits an act of treason by meeting with the enemy,and now he is running for president.

Just what kind of a country are we trying to build here?

WAKE UP AMERICA!! Pull your head out and elect a real leader and get this country back on the road where we belong.

We have the responsibility of being the strongest Military Might on this planet. We are the leader of the countries of the Free World and as soon as we elect a leader, we want to throw him out of office and replace him with some incompetent.

Have we become so near sighted that we now accept all this Socialist Propaganda and not look any farther ahead than the end of our nose?? The teaching of Karl Marx are fulfilling the prophecy."Teach the young children and when they mature you will have their support".

Wise men predicted 50 years ago that if we did not clean up our educational system this day would come,so now that it is here are we just going to lay down in the pasture like a flock of sheep and accept our fate ? OR Are we going to stand up like a man,and fight for the freedoms on which this great country was founded .

Many men have given the Supreme sacrifice to defend and uphold our freedoms,let us not dishonor their names in history.Let us bond together to take our place in the lead,to show the rest of the world how a great Nation is built. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W8EFA]

And Bush uses his influence, runs off to Texas to escape the war, doesn't fulfill his duties, and of course you think that is OK? I will take someone who volunteered and went to Nam over a stateside dodger.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,05:03)]And Bush uses his influence, runs off to Texas to escape the war, doesn't fulfill his duties, and of course you think that is OK? I will take someone who volunteered and went to Nam over a stateside dodger.
EFA, you keep making this so easy for us to answer...

First, if you look at the documents Kerry has on his own website it clearly shows that Kerry volunteered for "USNR"... that is, United States Naval RESERVE! Gee, why would someone want to volunteer for the RESERVES? Maybe to stay out of actual combat? Hmmm?

And then, Kerry's own "hometown" paper (well, one of his hometown papers, since he has multiple mansions scattered around the country), the Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml), printed the following on 6/16/03:

Quote[/b] ]Kerry initially hoped to continue his service at a relatively safe distance from most fighting, securing an assignment as "swift boat" skipper. While the 50-foot swift boats cruised the Vietnamese coast a little closer to the action than the Gridley had come, they were still considered relatively safe.

"I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."

Get that? "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said.

And, for the record, President Bush also volunteered for the Guard, and his honorable discharge is completely free of controversy.

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p.s. You never said if you supported the WWII hero Bob Dole, who lost the use of an arm in war, over Bill Clinton. Please let us know, William.

[w5klb]

Not only did The President VOLUNTEER for Air Guard, but he also VOLUNTEERED to go to Vietnam. The reason he didn't is because the aircraft he was flying was getting obsolete and his command didn't want to send him to get retrained to fly the newer aircraft.

[W8EFA]

Just plain wrong. Kerry volunteered for active duty in Vietnam. I already posted on another thread his request for active duty tour in Vietnam.

Bush used his influence to get in the National Guard to escape a tour in Vietnam.

Those are the facts not some opinion from some editorial writer.

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,06:25)]Just plain wrong. #Kerry volunteered for active duty in Vietnam. #I already posted on another thread his request for active duty tour in Vietnam.

Bush used his influence to get in the National Guard to escape a tour in Vietnam. #

Those are the facts not some opinion from some editorial writer.
The Facts are Bush VOLUNTEERED FOR VIETNAM. This is a well documented fact! Kerry... well his actions during and after Vietnam are also well documented. These facts are the very same reasons why the Swift Boat Veterans don't care for him.

Mr. EFA, I often wonder, after reading your posts here, that if you ever get dizzy spinning at these speeds. I know I do from just reading them.

Someone pass me a Drammimean.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Oct. 13 2004,23:13)]Klinton NEVER served one day in the military. As matter of record, he escaped the draft during Vietnam by going to merry ol' England to get his Rhodes Scholarship. I have another name for this ploy: DRAFT DODGER!!
So, anyone that went to school during Vietnam is a draft dodger? What a load of crap. Just because you had the luxury to go to school at the time doesn't necessarily make you a draft dodger.
Criticizing the war (either one) simply because you disagree with the reasons why we were/are there doesn't mean you're giving aid and comfort to the enemy, or that you are unpatriotic, it just means you have a difference of opinion.
This is such a non-issue anyway, I notice all the people so quick to jump on the military records of both candidates have yet to prove any of these statements (the swift boat morons, and the 'Bush was AWOL' crowd). All signs show that they both did what they signed up for, can we move on to the real issues in this election? Or, would we rather get bogged down in 30 year old crap that is unproven and purely speculative?
We should all be appreciative that both of these men served their country, that they're willing to serve as president, and leave it at that. All this bickering nonsense over purely unproven drivel is pointless and petty.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,06:25)]Just plain wrong. #Kerry volunteered for active duty in Vietnam. #I already posted on another thread his request for active duty tour in Vietnam.

Bush used his influence to get in the National Guard to escape a tour in Vietnam. #

Those are the facts not some opinion from some editorial writer.
Perhaps he volunteered, but so did Bush.

And Kerry's volunteering was not his first choice. I give you (again, I know I've posted this for you before) the Harvard Crimson (http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185) of 17 Feb 1970:

Quote[/b] ]When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy.

So, Kerry asked for a deferment. Got turned down. Entered the reserves. Got sent to 'Nam anyway. Tried to get an assignment on a non-combat vessel... got it, then the mission of the swift boats got changed.

This is a war hero?

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p.s. Please answer the question about whether or not you supported wounded WWII hero Robert Dole over Bill Clinton.

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 14 2004,07:12)]So, anyone that went to school during Vietnam is a draft dodger? What a load of crap. Just because you had the luxury to go to school at the time doesn't necessarily make you a draft dodger.
Criticizing the war (either one) simply because you disagree with the reasons why we were/are there doesn't mean you're giving aid and comfort to the enemy, or that you are unpatriotic, it just means you have a difference of opinion.
This is such a non-issue anyway, I notice all the people so quick to jump on the military records of both candidates have yet to prove any of these statements (the swift boat morons, and the 'Bush was AWOL' crowd). All signs show that they both did what they signed up for, can we move on to the real issues in this election? Or, would we rather get bogged down in 30 year old crap that is unproven and purely speculative?
We should all be appreciative that both of these men served their country, that they're willing to serve as president, and leave it at that. All this bickering nonsense over purely unproven drivel is pointless and petty.
YCO

First thing I would like to clear up is that I was a little too young for Vietnam. I enlisted in the United States Navy in 1979 at 22 years of age. My contract read USNR, full time and on active duty. I was there for Gulf War I when we forced "Bootlicker" to leave Kuwait.

Second point: I have lots of friends who are Vietnam vets who I have to sometimes transport to the VA. I know how they feel about Klinton. They claim that he was a draft dodger while they were slugging it out in the Jungles of Vietnam. They also don't care for Kerry and some these people are members of Democratic party. Now you can try to convince them otherwise, but that would be a very unhealthy choice. Most of these people suffer from PTSD. Go to a local VA and just ask some of these Vets for yourself. They didn't care for Klinton or Kerry and you will see them come out in droves to vote for Bush, both Democrat and Repubican.This "non-issue" you speak of is BIG ISSUE for them because the majority of them do not think that Kerry is unfit to be Commander in Chief of our Armed forces. I agree. I wouldn't want to put Kerry in charge of broom locker.

As you can see, I speak from PERSONAL EXPERIANCE, from dealing with these TRUE HEROS on a regular basis.

So, it's not "load of crap", Klinton was a
D-R-A-F-T #D-O-D-G-E-R. And Kerry was a C-O-W-A-R-D.
And both of them are D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S and L-I-B-E-R-A-L-S.

Disagreeing with with war is one thing, but going to England to escape the draft, bad mouthing, selling your country out, putting POW's lives in jepardy, and collaborating with the enemy is entirely another. This is treasonist beyond the pail. And one of these people was elected President for 2 terms and the other wants to be President (fat chance).

And it's AWOL. It military shorthand for "Absent With Out Leave". In the Navy we called it UA- Unauthorized Absense. According to Article 86 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, if it occurs during a time of war, it is punishable by DEATH or as Court Martial may direct. Bush was NOT AWOL. He was there. His military record proves this. There have been some news organizations that have tried to prove this by getting false documentation, but they are currently under investigation. Surely you don't listen to them, do you? Say it aint so!

That pretty much sums up my personal view of them and who I will be voting for in November.

I hope this clears up any misconceptions.

Just like UEY, and JSR this Vet is going to FLUSH THE JOHNS.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] ]This "non-issue" you speak of is BIG ISSUE for them because the majority of them do not think that Kerry is fit to be Commander in Chief of our Armed forces. W5KLB

They don't like him based on hearsay about his military service, that's not a justification that is apt or intelligent. They are entitled to their opinion, most of it brought on as a result of the good old propaganda machine, but it doesn't make it true or relevant. If you'd actually read my entire post you'd see that I don't agree with the same people trying to attack Bush's military record either. Maybe you were just reading what you wanted to read, I'm not sure, nor do I really care. But at least read what I said in it's full context.

Quote[/b] ]So, it's not "load of crap", Klinton was a
D-R-A-F-T D-O-D-G-E-R. And Kerry was a C-O-W-A-R-D.
And both of them are D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S and L-I-B-E-R-A-L-S. W5KLB

I love when conservatives call democrats liberals, they aren't (feel free to refer to the true definition at the bottom of this post.)
I also love it when conservatives say the word liberal like it's a bad word, meant to be looked down upon, always good for a laugh and a true sign of their fundamental mis-understanding of what a liberal really is.
And again, the people they are labeling don't fit the definition anyway. Besides, all of these labels are usually more of an indication of the person using them, and their thought process, as opposed to the person that they are directing them at.

Quote[/b] ]Disagreeing with with war is one thing, but going to England to escape the draft, bad mouthing, selling your country out, putting POW's lives in jepardy, and collaborating with the enemy is entirely another. W5KLB

Again, just because someone chose to go to school does not make them a draft dodger. How do you know what his plans were? Is everyone required to go to war? What do you think the point of deferments are in the first place?
Actively collaborating with the enemy is one thing, disagreeing with why a war is being fought and speaking out about it is entirely another. Again, more propagandist type of rhetoric with not necessarily much truth to it.

Quote[/b] ]And it's AWOL. It military shorthand for "Absent With Out Leave". Bush was NOT AWOL. He was there. His military record proves this. There have been some news organizations that have tried to prove this by getting false documentation, but they are currently under investigation. Surely you don't listen to them, do you? Say it aint so! W5KLB

Thanks for the condescending definition, I knew what it meant. I'm starting to wonder if you read my initial post completely, I did say:
"...I notice all the people so quick to jump on the military records of both candidates have yet to prove any of these statements (the swift boat morons, and the 'Bush was AWOL' crowd). All signs show that they both did what they signed up for, can we move on to the real issues in this election?"
Did you miss that part, or simply choose to ignore it so you can assume that I am in the Kerry camp, or that I would support or endorse propaganda and lies, neither of which I ever mentioned agreeing with. Assume all you like, doesn't make it true either.
My personal view of why I will not vote for Bush is simple, he's a right wing fanatic with a religious agenda that doesn't give a damn about anyone else's ideology; as much as he tries to claim he does, his record proves he doesn't care what anyone else outside his narrow vision of the world thinks. He also has a horrible financial record, deplorable environmental record, and most importantly the next president will likely be appointing Supreme Court Justices in the next four years. I won't vote for a president that doesn't value civil rights, choice, freedom of speech, and that would nominate justices that prosper his extremist right wing religious agenda.
That's my opinion and I vote with my conscience, not partisan propaganda and rhetoric. So go ahead and play your word games, make you inferences, assume what you want to assume about me or the people you wrongly label as 'liberals', what I initially said was straight forward and non partisan. Make what you want out of it as I know many of you do anyway.

[W8EFA]

W5KLB you got a lot of nerve pardner calling Kerry a Coward. #And who are you to speak for the Vets? #What combat medals do you have exactly? #I have a lot of friend's #that are Viet vets and just as many hate Bush for what he did running off to Texas and then not showing up.
Grounded for not taking physical (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif)

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Oct. 14 2004,16:25)]W5KLB you got a lot of nerve pardner calling Kerry a Coward. And who are you to speak for the Vets? What combat medals do you have exactly? I have a lot of friend's that are Viet vets and just as many hate Bush for what he did running off to Texas and then not showing up.
Grounded for not taking physical (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif)
I would not call Kerry a COWARD, I would however call Kerry a:
Traitor
Agent of an Enemy State
Liar
Faker
Manipulator

And those are the only things that I can put in print.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] ] I would not call Kerry a COWARD, I would however call Kerry a:
Traitor
Agent of an Enemy State
Liar
Faker
Manipulator

That's funny, many people would say the same thing about Bush. Just goes to show you it's all subjective, all in what you're looking for, people will believe what they want to believe in the face of facts, figures, documents, etc., etc.
My right versus your wrong, and no one wins 'til election day!

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ Oct. 14 2004,02:17)]Kerry may actually be honorably discharged, but he DID meet with representitives of a communist nation, one that the USA was actively engaged in armed conflict, while Kerry was still a commissioned naval officer - THAT IS NOT HONORABLE, that is TREASON.
Anyone wonder why CBS doesn't cover this?! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 14 2004,15:11)]Quote[/b] ] I would not call Kerry a COWARD, I would however call Kerry a:
Traitor
Agent of an Enemy State
Liar
Faker
Manipulator

That's funny, many people would say the same thing about Bush. Just goes to show you it's all subjective, all in what you're looking for, people will believe what they want to believe in the face of facts, figures, documents, etc., etc.
My right versus your wrong, and no one wins 'til election day!
And just which enemy state is Bush an agent of?

Can't be Israel, they're not an enemy state. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 16 2004,03:41)]Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 14 2004,15:11)]Quote[/b] ] I would not call Kerry a COWARD, I would however call Kerry a:
Traitor
Agent of an Enemy State
Liar
Faker
Manipulator

That's funny, many people would say the same thing about Bush. Just goes to show you it's all subjective, all in what you're looking for, people will believe what they want to believe in the face of facts, figures, documents, etc., etc.
My right versus your wrong, and no one wins 'til election day!
And just which enemy state is Bush an agent of?

Can't be Israel, they're not an enemy state. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Actually, they must be an "ENEMY STATE" Their agents( (spys) have been caught spying on us). Do you consider a nation that sends Spys into our country an Ally?? I say, Cut off all Aid to any Country caught Spying on us. Israel will go belly up within a year without US aid! Israel is a piss ant country that only Exists because the USA supports it. Without us they are "Nothing".
All of their "Military" might comes from secrets they have STOLEN or were given by the USA. GWB is the biggest Pro Israel president in History!! Israel is an ENEMY STATE

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Oct. 15 2004,23:37)]Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Oct. 16 2004,03:41)]Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 14 2004,15:11)]Quote[/b] ] I would not call Kerry a COWARD, I would however call Kerry a:
Traitor
Agent of an Enemy State
Liar
Faker
Manipulator

That's funny, many people would say the same thing about Bush. Just goes to show you it's all subjective, all in what you're looking for, people will believe what they want to believe in the face of facts, figures, documents, etc., etc.
My right versus your wrong, and no one wins 'til election day!
And just which enemy state is Bush an agent of?

Can't be Israel, they're not an enemy state. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Actually, they must be an "ENEMY STATE" Their agents( (spys) have been caught spying on us). Do you consider a nation that sends Spys into our country an Ally?? I say, Cut off all Aid to any Country caught Spying on us. Israel will go belly up within a year without US aid! Israel is a piss ant country that only Exists because the USA supports it. Without us they are "Nothing".
All of their "Military" might comes from secrets they have STOLEN or were given by the USA. GWB is the biggest Pro Israel president in History!! Israel is an ENEMY STATE
By that logic, the U.S. government is an enemy state to the people, as it spies on us!

[N6WK]

You may be MORE right then you Know!

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Oct. 15 2004,23:49)]You may be MORE right then you Know!
I know I'm right. < sigh >

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (KB1GYQ @ Oct. 16 2004,04:50)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Oct. 15 2004,23:49)]You may be MORE right then you Know!
I know I'm right. < sigh >
No, YOU "THINK you are right SIGH

[ai4ep]

w e i n

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Oct. 16 2004,05:08)]w e i n
did you mean "WHINE"??

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Oct. 16 2004,00:10)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Oct. 16 2004,05:08)]w e i n
did you mean "WHINE"??
No, it's a HAM pun about flip-floping... a Wein Bridge is a configuration of oscillator circuit.

[N6WK]

Well I did not know that. Did you know that ed?
Well, Yes Johnny, I did!

Hmm, I did not know that. thanks!

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Oct. 16 2004,00:17)]Well I did not know that. Did you know that ed?
Well, Yes Johnny, I did!

Hmm, I did not know that. thanks!
Somehow I don't think EP knew it either.... but what is truth anyway?

What did I mean by "is"?

42!
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[K6UEY]

Well while you sigh, and Whine someone has to spy and watch over people, especially when they think and act like little spoiled children.
It is because they are immature and lack discipline and character,and worldly experience that they complain.

Their lack of a proper education in most cases,keeps them in an uninformed state of what is going on around them.
Lacking a comparison to things that are real in life leads them to bitch and moan (whine) when things don't follow their narrow,poorly thought out agendas.

SORRY TOTO, but this is not Kansas anymore!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[N6WK]

UEY, Your still alive! I thought perhaps you had Died. Nice to see you again ORV. I see you still need to look out from under your rock and see the real world. I can not believe that you didn't get banned from here for actually calling that poor Lass a retard, but then again , the Gods must shine on you. You are indeed a "LUCKY" man!

BTW its "Worldly" not "Wordly"

<>SIGH>

And in case you didn't know.. Toto became a band and had a hit "Out of Africa"

[K6UEY]

N6WK,
Thank you for the correction,I some times forget with you Liberals it's the spelling that has to be correct not the text.
I when posting your replies get to typing so fast the keyboard can not keep up,it is useless of me to go that fast,you don't seem to learn the error of your thinking any faster.

As to TOTO no,I was not aware some one stole the name for a band,with that kind of originality I'm sure the noise they generate does not resemble music either.
NOR do I give a cobblers damn what they sound like.
When Elvis and the Beattles came along I had all ready passed through that stage of puberty,so it has never offered any attraction to me.

As far as some people being Retarded,thats just the way mother nature deals the deck,being a Liberal and a Kerry supporter you should be quite familiar with the retarded.

Have a GOOD day,that is if there is enough good air to allow you to enjoy it...... # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Oct. 16 2004,01:08)]w e i n
I oftened wondered why it was called a "J K flipflop" now I understand.