Electoral College Polls

[N7AAO]

I guess it's time to let everyone know who is ahead and who is behind in the Electoral College:

ElectionProjection.com (http://www.electionprojection.com/): Bush 274, Kerry 264, updated 10/10.

Electoral-Vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/): Bush 291, Kerry 228, updated 10/13.

RasmussenReports.com (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Electoral%20College%20Projection.htm) (William's one-time favorite polling site): Bush 240, Kerry 194, toss-up 104, updated 10/11.

And good old CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/08/electoral.map/index.html), that charter member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, has Bush with a commanding 301-237 lead, as of 10/11.

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[w5klb]

David, AAO:

You know that by posting those stats on the Electorial College that we are going to hear from the liberals on how unfair the Electorial College is and how it should eliminated. Or they will contest the Presidential Election after President Bush wins.

Even with the current stats posted, this is no time for the GOP to throw in the towel. Much work needs to be done to ensure that
John F(lipflop) Kerry doesn't make it to the White House.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Oct. 13 2004,07:25)]David, AAO:

You know that by posting those stats on the Electorial College that we are going to hear from the liberals on how unfair the Electorial College is and how it should eliminated. Or they will contest the Presidential Election after President Bush wins.

Even with the current stats posted, this is no time for the GOP to throw in the towel. Much work needs to be done to ensure that John F(lipflop) Kerry doesn't make it to the White House.
Yeah, I know... the electoral college that was good enough for Clinton's two victories, even though he didn't win a true majority in the popular vote in either election (majority = 50%+, what Clinton got was a plurality) is somehow not good enough when it might install a Republican in the Oval Office.

And I agree, we always need to campaign as though we are 10 points behind and falling. However, it's still good information to have. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

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[w0dz]

Not to mention that several states, including mine (Colorado), have ballot issues that would divvy up the electoral votes based on the popular vote. If the electoral tally has the potential to swing the election as a result of this, you can expect legal challenges to those ballot issues that will take months to resolve, keeping the election in doubt for quite a while. And that will be true no matter who loses.

[w5klb]

Our Founding Fathers were wise to create an Electorial College. It keep the bigger states like Ohio, Florida, and others from having an unfair advantage. Presidential races shouldn't be based on "popularity contest".

My state, Oklahoma, has only 8 Electorial votes. Nope, we are not a battle ground state, and the last few years we have always carried the Republican nonimee. However, there is a Senatorial Race going on here that has made national head lines only because it will determine if the Senate will get a majority for the Dems or the GOP.

There nothing that's posted here is going to sway my vote one way or another. This is just the internet. The only thing I am going have to worry about is getting to the poles early enough to beat the heavy turn out.

[N8CPA]

Gary, it's curious you should consider Ohio a big electoral state. I'm always afraid of the impact the fashion and trend centers like New York and California would have, if the Electoral
College were abolished. I think I read somewhere that the founders hoped that national politics would not be driven fads and trends.

Though I never read about it as a contributing influence in the estbalishment of the college, I suspect that even at the time of the Revolution, the founders noticed how regional subcultures were mitigating against a national sense of unity. And that at some level, the Electoral College was intended to hedge against one subculture establishing suzerainty, which could happen with direct voting.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Oct. 13 2004,09:43)]Gary, it's curious you should consider Ohio a big electoral state. #I'm always afraid of the impact the fashion and trend centers like New York and California would have, if the Electoral
College were abolished. #I think I read somewhere that the founders hoped that national politics would not be driven fads and trends.

Though I never read about it as a contributing influence in the estbalishment of the college, I suspect that even at the time of the Revolution, the founders noticed how regional subcultures were mitigating against a national sense of unity. #And that at some level, the Electoral College was intended to #hedge against one subculture establishing suzerainty, which could happen with direct voting.
That makes sense, CPA... it also explains why one sub-culture now wants to abolish the Electoral College, doesn't it?

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Oct. 13 2004,09:43)]Gary, it's curious you should consider Ohio a big electoral state. #I'm always afraid of the impact the fashion and trend centers like New York and California would have, if the Electoral
College were abolished. #I think I read somewhere that the founders hoped that national politics would not be driven fads and trends.
CPA,

The reason why threw Ohio in there is just to prove a my reasoning for keeping the Electoral College. You are correct about California and New York. They both have a much bigger Electorial vote than Ohio, but Ohio is a battle ground state and it's a known fact, from past elections, that whoever wins in Ohio, will usually be our next President. Ah, will just have to make our respective votes and see how this is going turn out. I beleave that Yogi Beara said "It aint over, till it's over."

Perhaps I should of used a better example.

[KC7UP]

Strange how about 5-6 people do most of the political posting hoping to change other people's minds. It will never happen.
Curt

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Oct. 13 2004,14:24)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Oct. 13 2004,09:43)]Gary, it's curious you should consider Ohio a big electoral state. #I'm always afraid of the impact the fashion and trend centers like New York and California would have, if the Electoral
College were abolished. #I think I read somewhere that the founders hoped that national politics would not be driven fads and trends.
CPA,

The reason why threw Ohio in there is just to prove a my reasoning for keeping the Electoral College. You are correct about California and New York. They both have a much bigger Electorial vote than Ohio, but Ohio is a battle ground state and it's a known fact, from past elections, that whoever wins in Ohio, will usually be our next President. Ah, will just have to make our respective votes and see how this is going turn out. I beleave that Yogi Beara said "It aint over, till it's over."

Perhaps I should of used a better example.
Your example is fine. #The difference, I think, is census per square mile. More people = more congressional districts. Ohio was a state more than a century before Ok. #But the same thing that concerns you about states like Ohio, is what concerns me about the East and West Coast blocs in the absence of the Electoral College. #So we really don't disagree. I have just never thought of my home state in that way.

Actually, it was both outrageous and laughable when the freshman Senator from the state of New York, in 2000, announced that she'd introduce legislation to abolish the College--before she had even been oriented! #

WLW radio produced a parody of the "Real American Heroes" Budweiser ads, "Real American Sleezo," in response to the announcement. #It ended with the statement, "...So here's to you Senator Elect Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. #Our Founding Fathers should have known better than to cross yyyyyouuuu!" # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KC7UP @ Oct. 13 2004,12:26)]Strange how about 5-6 people do most of the political posting hoping to change other people's minds. It will never happen.
Curt
Maybe your mind is made up, but can you say that is true of every peson who reads but does not post?

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[K6UEY]

KC7UP,
Have you considered, as long as there is one person who might consider voting to re-elect the president,thats 2 votes,mine and theirs,and just like winning the lotto you never know that might be the winning number.
Obviously,electing #Dubya for a second term is the only sensible thing to do,but common sense now a days is a short commodity.So if I as an American Citizen can help my fellow voters from making a drastically bad error in judgement,I have then lived up to my responsibility.

"Keep the Whitehouse clean in 04, FLUSH the JOHNS" #

"FOUR MORE YEARS- Let GEORGE do it !!"

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[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KC7UP @ Oct. 13 2004,12:26)]Strange how about 5-6 people do most of the political posting hoping to change other people's minds. It will never happen.
Curt
Curt,

I don't intend to change ANYONES mind and can guarantee you that no one else here is going to change mind either, but I do find some of these discussions engaging as long as they are kept civil. I have no problem with some having a different perspective on certain issues. You, like everyone else here, whether I agree or disagree, have right to express an opinion.

Opinions is like a certain part of ones anatomy: Everybody's got one and they all stink. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KC7UP]

I admit everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if its wrong.
Curt

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KC7UP @ Oct. 13 2004,21:07)]I admit everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if its wrong.
Curt
Curt,

To you or me it may be wrong, but to them, it is the world that they see. We all must learn a little respect for the other person opinions. A good example is good ol' Harry, N0PU. Yep, we won't agree on certain issues, but as a fellow shipmate (he is a former sailor like myself), and a fellow amateur who has probably forgotten more about being a ham than I will ever know, I respect him tremendously. He may post with an opinion I may not care for but he will ALWAYS post with a link or tell you how he based his opinion. I have always admired him for it.

Now back to the thread...

[K4JSR]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Oct. 13 2004,21:39)]Quote[/b] (KC7UP @ Oct. 13 2004,21:07)]I admit everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if its wrong.
Curt
Curt,

To you or me it may be wrong, but to them, it is the world that they see. We all must learn a little respect for the other person opinions. A good example is good ol' Harry, N0PU. Yep, we won't agree on certain issues, but as a fellow shipmate (he is a former sailor like myself), and a fellow amateur who has probably forgotten more about being a ham than I will ever know, I respect him tremendously. He may post with an opinion I may not care for but he will ALWAYS post with a link or tell you how he based his opinion. I have always admired him for it.

Now back to the thread...
Be careful there! Harry may start to think that we like
him! I do, but I wouldn't tell him. He'd get the BIG
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Liberal or conservative, if you love ham radio you must
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Mugwump, Ga.