Not for little ears ?

[AA9MY]

Re: Friday Sept .17,2004 # Are you guilty ?

I really believe that Amateur Radio is a gentleman's / family hobby. I have not been on some bands in years because of the bickering and lack of respect for others. I was very dissappointed and offended Friday night when I heard you constantly bellowing out your hells, damn this & GD this or that on 144.200 mhz.I hope you understand that this is a polite request. If I was sitting in a tavern, that would not bother me at all. I am sure I say those things on occasion myself but not to the general public

My grandaughters ( age 4 and 7 ) were in my shack. Many times they color or play in my shack when my wife and I are babysitting. Surely you do not talk like that in front of your children or grandchildren. I put the headphones on when I heard you to mute the speaker & could not believe my ears. I understand an occasional slip but constant language like that is offensive to many. While it may not be obscene it is still offensive. Maybe you do not realize how many just monitor or how far your signal can be heard. You were a loud 57 over 100 miles away. Please do not continue this practice as our bands are precious and there is plenty of that on other frequencies & services..

73 de AA9MY
CC: to the guilty one by snail mail

[kj5t]

This is not rare to hear on the bands, I am glad you sent a letter to the people doing this. I would like to continue seeing kids join the hobby, it does not need to be destroyed by people who choose to cuss over the air.

73'
+Steve/KD5OWO

[w3lne]

I agree with you. #My son who is ten and has his license now has to be subjected to another level of this kind of language. #I got him interested as a refuge to this kind of talk and to experience the professionalism of the hobby. #It is unfortunate that many have adopted this type of language as the norm. #This has been reflected in the level of language in use by what is known as family programming and G rated films, it's terrible. # I don't mean to be prudish, but what helps set us aside from the "CBers' I hear so much complaining about is our supposed professionalism.

Please take a moment and realize others are listening and that we are trying to get the support of, namely our young people. Why should they be interested if t just more of the same. It only takes a few to change the image of many.

Appreciate your consideration for helping keep the airways professional.

kb3hjs
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[kj5t]

Hearing a "bad" word on the TV does not bother me at all, but it does not belong on the ham radio.. There are rules against it and they should be enforced..

[kb3eqa]

Here here. I've heard soem truly offensive stuff on the air in the past, most of it not 'obscene' per say, but disgustingly hateful and threatening. I was always proud to be a ham when, in every case i've been witness to, another operator quickly keyed up and chided the offender for his behavior. I was also pleased that in most cases, the offender quickly appolgized for his poor judgement. THATS the way it should be, operators policing their bands.

I've heard alot of people complain about the poor behavior of someone on the air. I would encourage people to correct that behavior (in a civil manner) immediately and on the air when they hear it. Sometimes a bit of public humiliation will give the offender a reason to refrain from such action in the future.

[NY7Q]

Unfortunately, it will continue. These little people do not care about others, themselves, and not about to care who is listening. They think they are cool because they can swear on the air. They hear it on TV and think it is okay anywhere on the air. I usually pull them up, "rudely" both on air, and in person if need be. Its not just Cbrs, its the low life attracted to ham radio by the easy exams and no cw requirements now.

[WD8OQX]

To me, in an adult situation, is one thing (I can take it) but where little ones are concerned, it is just wrong. For GOD's sake let them be little & innocent as long as possible. They grow up fast enough as it is.

For them to hear this sort of stuff just opens up a "Pandora's box" that can never be close & I for one don't like to explain things to a child that they wouldn't otherwise be asking questions of.

So whether it be picking up a Mic or in public, please, be aware that kids may be listening - & yes, I have slipped once in a while, too. Society breads this sort of thing with it on TV and such. But WE HAMS are above that sort of thing - (at least we used to be) If you do slip apologize & stop doing it. This goes a long way in my respect for the person who slips. The one that knowingly keep doing it even after being asked not to do it in front of there kids are just crude.

[K0RGR]

Oh, don't blame it on the newbies! They're about the same mix we've always had, maybe slightly fewer doctors and slightly more truck drivers and cops, but not that much different. It's not usually the younger ones that have this impediment, either. #Most often, it seems to be someone who's discovered the benefits of Geritol with a few vodka chasers. They want to invoke "the word that won the war" as a sort of talisman against whatever evil they are fighting in their fevered mind.

The rule needs to be: Microphone or bottle, not both. We've always had the inebriated among us, and we've survived.

[kj5t]

Lets fix the problem, not blame it on any certain group..

[ai4ep]

AA4MY...want to give a callsign or two that belonged to the folks who were using the bad language ?

he problably wont.

[ai4ep]

AA4MY...want to give a callsign or two that belonged to the folks who were using the bad language ?

he problably wont.

[kb9yiv]

Profanity is not allowed by the FCC as far as i'm aware. I am not sure we can pin this on any one or group. My Elmer gave me great advice. If you have to think twice about it before you say it, its probably not the best thing. There are many hams, there are possibly even more people wit Rat shack scanners. We are the face of our hobby, each and every one of us

[kb9lei]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Sep. 21 2004,16:44)]AA4MY...want to give a callsign or two that belonged to the folks who were using the bad language ?
[QUOTE]

If someone is using inappropriate language, a little thing like identifying every ten minutes is no big problem either. So, there may well be no trace of the offenders.

[AA9MY]

Although at this point , I do not want to publicly disclose his identity, The offender was from norhtern Illinois ( not Chicago) and over 60 years of age with a extra class license. He should know better and set a good example.I found it interesting that he identifies with his call on a regular interval.

73 de AA9MY

[N0KLT]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Sep. 21 2004,14:56)]Oh, don't blame it on the newbies! They're about the same mix we've always had, maybe slightly fewer doctors and slightly more truck drivers and cops, but not that much different. It's not usually the younger ones that have this impediment, either. Most often, it seems to be someone who's discovered the benefits of Geritol with a few vodka chasers. They want to invoke "the word that won the war" as a sort of talisman against whatever evil they are fighting in their fevered mind.

The rule needs to be: Microphone or bottle, not both. We've always had the inebriated among us, and we've survived.
And it's not always the drunk and stupid among us either. I can remember, listening to a group on a general coverage receiver many years ago, long before I got a ham ticket. This group was very proud of the fact they were all extras except for one adanced or maybe it was a general and that all of them except for one widow of a former member of the group were all engineers or other high tech jobs for a major electronics company. This group was the most elitest, racist and at times the most foul mouth group of hams I had ever heard. They would designate a different member of the group each night to deal with any outsider with the gall to try to break into or join their group. The designated 'QSOr' would engage the new station and be as neutral and as unwelcoming he could be without telling the guy to get lost. While the new station was keyed up the rest of the group would key up under him making snide remarks, criticizing everything he did from his speech patterns to his signal to his choice of radios. If the new station would happen to unkey while one of the regulars was keyed up making fun of him so much the better and if he objected or tried to argue or criticize the group for their behavior, then it got really nasty. When left to themselves, they would basically make fun of other workers who weren't as elite as themselves or other hams in general. And if they ever got started on any racial subject, it really got nasty. It was hard to believe they would talk like that with a woman in the group, but she pretty much seemed to ignore what they said unless someone directly called her. I thought it interesting because they used her for a frequency check to tune to because their such superior equipment that they ran all drifted varying amounts and every half an hour or so, they would call her and have her talk so they could all get their radios back on the same spot on the band. It has been over 30 yrs since I heard these guys, and the memory of the frequency and time has long slipped away. What stuck is their elitest attitudes, their nasty mouths and operating habits and their general overall disdain for anyone not as smart as they were, defined by working for the same company and also having the same level of License as they had. For a long time I thought all hams were like these guys because they were the first and most visible exposure I had to amateur radio. It took almost another 20 years for me to find out different.

Like someone said, you never know who is listening so don't say something you don't want the world to hear you say and be able to tie those words back to you.

73

Gary NØKLT

[n6ajr]

My rule of thumb is to always talk like my Mom is in the room, and at age of 50 + years, I can tell you it has worked well, and remember if Mom hears you talking like that she will wash your mouth with soap !! hi hi..73 tom

[N9GLU]

I have noticed that 2 meters went downhill in the last 15 years while I was away from the radio. I was amazed at the language used on alot of the repeaters in LA last summer while I was there working..It is up to the radio amateur community to police this. I did not feel there was any concern, if peolple didnt like what they heard they just went away...I think repeater trustess need to step up to the plate and prevent and stop this type of behavior and return the airwaves for their proper use.. I have since been on HF alot and enjoying it with my children. RHETT- N9GLU

AI4EP de W8CEI Great Idea, then we all could sent the scumbags a letter letting them know they need to clean up there act!!

[w4fed]

hello...and thanks for allowing me to comment on this subject. #it is a shame and disgrace that ham radio has turned into a playing field of "let us see who can get away with the most". #just like the original post, my grand children and wife frequently visit my radio room. #there have been several times when they had to leave because the talk got x-rated with comments of sexual content and just plain gutter talk. #ham radio is not a place for that kind of language and it should not be tollerated by any repeater custodian nor the other hams on the hf frequencies who hear such language. #it is my experience that when someone uses that kind of language, right then is the time to comment about such language and ask them to pause and reflect on their choice of verbage. #i have my faults, but using bad language as my choice of words or entertainment on ham radio is not one of them, nor will it ever be one...

on a more positive note, it is great to be able to listen to many respectful and even entertaining conversations on local repeaters and hf frequency groups. #also, if you listen you will find that the ones that use the gutter talk are not the majority of ham operators and i'm sure we are all thankful for that...

w4fed

[n7uq]

I really never have understood the reasoning behind the foul mouth. I served my time as a sailor in the US Navy, surrounded by the foul mouth. What does it accomplish, other than showing your total disregard for others? I haven't been in ham radio very long, and am real glad I never spent anytime in CB radio. We have a crew here in Tucson on channel 14 that would make make most people sick. Lets not allow that to become part of ham radio. Why would they want to perpetuate that on the ham bands or any bands for that matter.

[n9par]

I had just moved to The Up of mich.I was scanning the band(2meters) one night being bored and heard these two guys talking.Well #1 they were on simplex where simplex was not aloud.Then they were chatting and one guys just started swearing left and right.Well I called a few members of the club and we found out who these guys were.At the club meeting we decided to tape these guys.Well some JERK at the club meeting went and told these guys that we were taping them.The guys didn't care heck they even taunted me saying my call.Well they said that they were switching Freqs to an non ham freq.So I never have herd them since but I didn't care that they knew that I was taping them HAM radio should be friendly to EVERYONE!Theres WAY too many people listening to us on scanners.I never swore and never will.

The only thing that ticks me off about ham radio is the day that I was called a 2 meter cber and a jerk on the local 2 repeater.When somone called me the Jerk there was no id ofcourse.Thats when I left the hobby for about three years.I saw hams on the street and I never said anything to them.Heck I walked right through a fox hunt one night and just kept going they said hi but that was it.The HAMS of the UP are so much nicer I feel like part of the gang here.Sorry to hear about the Jerks on the radio.
73
N9PAR

[kr7h]

Just to add my input...Agree with what has been said... "What goes around-- comes around"...those who continue to use inappropriate and unprofessional language will have fewer and fewer individuals talk to them over the repeaters/freq's. I agree, we ought to follow-up and pass-on the Callsigns involved to the repeater owner and/or coordinators. And, I agree too-- we all have a responsibility towards not putting-up with this.

[N8BMB]

I am not only offended by the language, but those who use it on the airwaves, REGARDLESS of the band. Also, - "Its not just Cbrs, its the low life attracted to ham radio by the easy exams and no cw requirements now." - Is another thing that bothers me as well. Just because someone did not bother to take the CW portion of the test does NOT place them in the same catagory as CBers. This comment offends me as well because it implies that ALL those who are no-code technicians are in the same boat as CBers. They are not.

I gave up CB many years ago because of the rude, inconsiderate morons who could find nothing better to do than to swear on the air and play their "I own the frequency" games. I thought I woul not find that in Ham radio, but I have and the "ham" who placed this quote I put in that catagory as well, since he had the gall to post it.

Sometimes I do know why I even bothered to get my ticket with all the ham bashing and rude, inconsiderate operators out there. Sometimes I find no difference between the hams or the 11 meter people!!

[kt4aq]

Please, Please, Please, lets not let our hobby turn into the disaster that 11 meter radio has become over the years. I am a professional over the road driver. I own my own rig and take pride in what I do for a living, and in the hobby I chose for relaxation, and to help my community in times of need. I have to listen to 11 meter on the road to get traffic reports and such but sometimes the language is so bad out there I have to turn the radio off, and just listen to my xm until I have left that area. I would also like to say it is not just truck drivers that use that language. We have all sworn at one time or another but there is a time and a place to let the tongue go if you feel the need, and over the air on our bands is not the place to make those words common place. We hams have always been self policing, and we have always had respect for one another. I have been away from ham radio for a number of years due to my station being packed away after a move, and I'm looking forward to getting my shack up and running again. I hope that I haven't gone to all the effort of building a shack inside my home and setting all my equipment back up just to hear the same thing I hear when I'm working, instead of hearing old friends talking and having fun. Let's get Amateur Radio back to what it was meant to be. If there are stations that are using that language, let's call them on the carpet right then and there (in a civil manner, as stated by Dave Kb3eqa), and maybe that little bit of public humiliation will be just enough to make them think the next time they are on the air not thinking about anyone else, or what "little ears" might be listening

[aj4rk]

I am not new to the world of amateur radio having been licensed since 1990 and having been in the Navy for 26 years this type of language is not new to me. But like you I think it does not have a place on the radio. Someone said it is because of the easiness of getting a license and no-code, well I started out as a no-code tech but learned the code to advance and I don't use that kind of language on the air. The people who do this are long time hams as well as new comers and the new comers are hearing the old timers do it and think well and good. I believe we all need to step back and exam our on air practices and fix those things that are not right.

John
W4IKO/AAV4EU

[wd4tw]

No matter what anyone says this has nothing to do with "the ease of getting a license" or "no-code" requirements. This is about people being rude and crude! #Their lack of vocabulary skills has nothing to do with their technical skills. #It is a simple matter of respect and these kind of hams have NO RESPECT for others or the hobby. A quick study of a good dictionary will give you many acceptable alternative words.

I agree with early post in that we, as responsible Amateur Radio Operators, should immediately key up and politely correct this kind of behavoir on the air. In this way others who might be listening will know that this is NOT the normal acceptable behavior.

Tim
WD4TW

[wa5pse]

Quote[/b] (NY7Q @ Sep. 21 2004,13:18)]Unfortunately, it will continue. These little people do not care about others, themselves, and not about to care who is listening. They think they are cool because they can swear on the air. They hear it on TV and think it is okay anywhere on the air. I usually pull them up, "rudely" both on air, and in person if need be. Its not just Cbrs, its the low life attracted to ham radio by the easy exams and no cw requirements now.
Please don't blame all the rudeness on new members of the amateur radio ranks...I hear way too much of this from the folks who've been around since the "good ole days".
I've witnessed this rudeness since I got my first ticket in 1966 and some of those folks are still on the bands dishing it out.

Across the board, all the new hams I've seen in our area, here in "Michiana", over the last few years have exemplified an interest in being the best they can, and, they get my respect even if they didn't tough it out the way I had to.

Unfortunately, there is a large number of long time amateurs that seem to feel like they have special kinds of entitlement to certain aspects of the hobby.

As another example of misguided judgement, some long-time hams seem to think they have a special kind of "ownership" of certain frequencies...If you happen to be on one of these frequencies and the "owners" decide to keep their sked there...well that's just too bad.

I guess all we can do is act immediately and tactfully when we hear abuse and "self-police" to the best of our ability and hope in the long-term our wonderful hobby remains attractive to new members...We really do need them.

[n1kdd]

I am writing this reply in light of NY7Q's comment. He should NOT look down his nose at other hams, especially no-code techs. If he wants to see hams who are professional in their operating practices, perhaps he should "elmer" some of these people. Train them the right way. As far as foul language on the bands goes, I do not condone foul language anyhow.

[n4cqw]

Quote[/b] (wd4tw @ Sep. 21 2004,21:48)]No matter what anyone says this has nothing to do with "the ease of getting a license" or "no-code" requirements. This is about people being rude and crude! #Their lack of vocabulary skills has nothing to do with their technical skills. #It is a simple matter of respect and these kind of hams have NO RESPECT for others or the hobby. A quick study of a good dictionary will give you many acceptable alternative words.

I agree with early post in that we, as responsible Amateur Radio Operators, should immediately key up and politely correct this kind of behavoir on the air. In this way others who might be listening will know that this is NOT the normal acceptable behavior.

Tim
WD4TW
Tim, I agree with you. #it is a bunch of bull saying the hobby has went down hill becasue the test is easier....blugh, blugh, blugh. #If you stop and listen and look up the call sign it is "hams" who have their 50 thousand word a minute code and have liscensed since Noah came off the ark.

To save all everyone time I have a tech no code license. #I have been licensed since 1993 but the crap I hear on the local machines makes my just want to quite the hobbie at times... #it not the newbie's it the "EXTRA" class wanna be's operators who get on the local repeaters and brag how they "showed him" it was their "blank!" frequency so up the amp power some more and go to cussing him out. #I can tell you it was the truth.... I listen all the time to DX and other stuff... they did exactly as they said they would. #But this is the same "loser" who gets on a repeater and uses his CW keyer to send his "id" in cw... then cusses new hams out becasue the have the adasity to ask him his call. #"When they get off their LAZY asses and lean the code they will know my call" #That was said to a 12 year old kid one day..... #I turned off the radio for a few weeks over that let me tell you. #

Sorry to hop on the box but I had to say my .02.

73 Moe KE4CQW[B]

[k8nqc]

The language is not just offensive to children. I know several ladies of varying license class who stay away from the phone bands because of the crudeness of communications there. I know some who only operate ladies nets and contests to avoid the content on many of the phone bands. I am not comfortable engaging in conversation with men who must use explitives and crude inuendo to express themselves. I used to think it was a problem of limited education but I am not sure of that any longer. I now think it is a problem of self-respect. The actor Bill Cosbey has been critical of those in the black community who have not learned to effectively use language to express their thoughts. I think that the problems he describes are not limited to people of one race. I think that there is little difference in the mumblings we hear in some neighborhoods and the low calibre of the language heard commonly on the ham bands.

I also believe that the chanelization of the ham bands has added to the problems. My fifty years of listening to the ham bands has seen a major change from operators getting on the air to meet with new people to one where a group of people get together on a fixed channel or frequency with the same group of people hour after hour and day after day. Whether in the amateur service or the citizens service this channel ownership has greatly changed the typical content heard on the radio. The familiarity with those on the frequency has permitted comments of a sexual, racist, political, religion, or other controversial nature to creep into the QSO, often as "inside" humor. Also, stations on an "owned" frequency feel the right to go to adjacent frequencies to ask others to move away from THEIR frequency. In the old days, if you moved off your frequency to complain to others,YOU were the violating person. Conflict caused by this one action has caused some of the most foul exchanges I have ever heard on the ham bands.

The calling of CQ and the polite exchanges that ensued were frequently called the "dance." This set the tone for most exchanges on the ham bands. It was the kind of "people to people" communications that made for easy public relations. Probably the best any of us can do today is make sure that we are a good example. 73,

[AG4TN]

Quote[/b] (kb9yiv @ Sep. 21 2004,17:48)]Profanity is not allowed by the FCC as far as i'm aware. I am not sure we can pin this on any one or group. My Elmer gave me great advice. If you have to think twice about it before you say it, its probably not the best thing.
FCC prohibits indecent and obscene speech from ham radio (different from broadcast media which allows indecency during night hours.)

Unfortunately, the definitions of indecency and obscenity are pretty much wide open and vary based on community standards. #A word that may be extremely offensive to us in the south is often used regularly, if not continuously, by people in other regions of the US.

As society continues to accept coarse language, the range of acceptable speech will continue to broaden. #(No, I do not think this is a good thing to happen).

[KD7ZOS]

<span style='color:black'>Ok folks: #I've read all the posts, and have to chime in! #Since I've been a potty mouth since 2 years old, thats when I first heard it...please let me say this, without incurring to much wrath, or being flamed:-) #IT IS HABIT, not a lack of respect, education, etc. #A person does if unconsciously, out of a HABIT. #Right or Wrong, thats it, and believe me it has cost me friends, jobs and a lot more that I probably don't know about. #So pray, and work on breaking bad habits, believer you will overcome and you will!- #BTW when a mute cusses, does his mom wash his hands off with soap??73's Tom KD&ZOS http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif</span>

[n4cqw]

Quote[/b] ]BTW when a mute cusses, does his mom wash his hands off with soap??73's Tom KD&ZOS #



OUCH!!! # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Moe KE4CQW!

[WD8OQX]

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[aa8xx]

Thank you. That is why I got out off CB radio in 1969, and here we go again. Even the FCC lets tv and radio do it now.
Again Thanks TOM

[K0RGR]

Well, the only time I can remember cursing on the air was when the melted solder landed in my lap on one of the few occasions I was experimenting with VOX control.

I've always believed that a man needs to have a firm grasp of creative cursing. My wife will usually ask how long a project will take in terms of how many swear words will be required. "Oh, that's about a 3 cuss word job, honey".

My Pa lived a 'Huckleberry Finn' existence, growing up in the mountains of Colorado and Utah, then spending his early adulthood in New York City as a radioman/pyrotechnic engineer. He eventually found his true calling as a Navy Chief, where he honed his nascent All-American cussing skills to a fine art. I am duly proud to have inherited as much as I could absorb. Some of my siblings have been known to swear for as much as 10 minutes without repeating a single word.

But, despite these credentials, I don't swear in church. I never swore in school. I almost never swear in front of women I'm not married to, or father to. I only swear at work in the direst of circumstances. And I never intentionally swear on the radio. It's a matter of respect, I guess, and I'm just too simple to change now.

[N8CPA]

I, too, have an extensive blue section in my vocabulary. But it doesn't belong on Amateur Radio, neither do the people who would use it there.

Unfortunately, there are some who can't be Elmered if they cut their radio teeth in a service that tolerates such language. If they can learn at all, they will refuse to. All we can do is make sure we avoid them, and let the FCC know who they are. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[n0ov]

I understand an accidential mike key or hitting your finger with a soldering iron. That my friends are exceptions and good fodder for some good natured jokes and ribbing.

However, habitual fowl language over the Amateur Bands is NOT appropriate or allowed. (No flames, just straight talk)

Everyone is capable of self control

Those folks cussing on the air does so, not because of habit, but because they do not feel the need to exercise a little discipline or self constraint.

A little consideration goes a long way. It makes things better for those who like to operate and makes elmering and recruitment a little easier.

Thing to remember is when we certified and accepted the license, we agreed to operate in a specific manner.

Regardless of how you defend or excuse a behavior the rules are clear. Violating the rules rules may cause you to get fined or loose your ticket.

Good original post and feedback

[wb9eck]

If there's one thing I can't stand it's intolerance!

[kc0adp]

Quote[/b] (NY7Q @ Sep. 20 2004,14:18)]Its not just Cbrs, its the low life attracted to ham radio by the easy exams and no cw requirements now.
Ok, so I'm a "low life" who hasn't "earned" the right to be on the air. I've been called worse. I was just thinking of a couple survey questions that the ARRL had, "How do you spend your weekends on HAM radio" and "What keeps you off the air". Both can be answered the same way.

1st, trying to find a fairly quiet spot to tune up, then if I'm searching for special event stations, finding them over the nets complaining about the contesters & special events on "their" frequency,the contesters complaining about the nets and special events on "their" frequency, and of course the special event stations complaining about the contestors and nets. I've even had an incident where while running a special event station, another operator started calling CQ on top of me. When informed that the frequency was in use, the response was, "I know, we have a net here every Saturday". No problem, I'll QSY, but I didnt', I took a break for an hour and listened to the "net" which was a rag chew between two hams.

So, the rudeness is not confined to one class of operator, I've seen it exhibited by newbies as well as the seasoned hams that are supposed to be setting the example.

[kd5vbl]

I am only 17 but i like talking on the radio and i dont have much troble with all that i have troble with people who dislike the fact that i get on but the truth of the matter is if anything is keeping young people from being intrested in ham radio then it needs to be stoped cause people might not like the fact that i am young and others like me and we may know have the maturity (or spelling) that older hams do but we are the future hams and you run us off for any reason and ham radio will die.

[kb9lei]

I spent a number of years in the fire service studying with a 6'4" redhead who could almost make the fire go out just by cussin' it. (And I was GOOD learner) But, that language rarely went out of the airwaves, except for the accidental mike key or somebody standing too close when they keyed.

I learned the 'seven words' early and those never went out of the any of the public service bands I used; the ham bands I am allowed; and not during some brief appearances on commercial radio.

As for no code techs being the problem--road apples! #I was in CB in the 70s, like everyone else. #We had a good group, followed the rules, but the folks who had the deep pockets and bought the illegal rf gear ruined it for the little guy. #Once the good operators ceeded the hobby, the foul mouths took it over.

Hams are like any other group of hobbyists on this planet. #Ninety five percent have the same idea, four percent march to a slightly different drummer and the last percent would not be happy under any circumstance.

[W3ML]

Just must remember if that is happening on a repeater, just get a hold of the trustee and he must shut it down, or the FCC could cite him also.

There is too much of this now-a-days. When I came into the hobby 20 years ago, no one would talk about religon, sex, politics or have whistle microphones.

We have a repeater around here that sounds more CB than anything else. Seriously, the repeater control sounds like listening to skip on CB when I was a kid and that was 40 yeara ago.

Bring back the family radio that Amateur Radio was supposed to be. Not gutter radio.

[KA2LIM]

Wether you agree or not, this is more of what you get from the "dumbing down" ie: memorizing Q's & A's to take a test, to gain entry into Ham Radio. Oh yes, also not having to learn another mode of communication ie; morse code.. #The hobby does NOT need more people entering into it, the hobby needs quality people entering into it. When something is given away, this is what you get. #Curseing was seldom heard as little as 20 years ago. As for enforcement of the rules by the fcc, that's a joke.. #No one out in the field to enforce the rules and that happened many years ago. #When something is stopped for a long period of time and then tried to be revived to correct the mistake and no backing to the enforcement is provided. #The rules continue to be broken. #I off the soapbox. #
Ken
KA2LIM

[W5HTW]

My memory tells me there was an occasional bout of profanity back in the 50s and the 60s. But profanity was defined differently then. The use of "hell" or "damn" was profane. Now it is American-speak. Now we have to go so much further to irritate people, and we pretty much have to do it deliberately. It's really easy to keep from cursing over the air - I refrain from it constantly, and I can probably outcurse three sailrs and a whore simultaneously. But not on the air. Why? Because I respect ham radio. And that's what it's about - respect.

As noted throughout this thread, it is a sign of the deterioration of the general population, not just ham radio. How we can filter it out of this hobby is a big guess, since it is what people "do" whether on the radio or playing golf or watching TV.

Was it brought here from CB? Well, probably to some extent, but the real problem is it just went into American life. As society accepted more, we 'gave' more, and now it is something that is going to be hard to reverse.

I think there have been some improvements in the past five years, thanks to increased enforcement, but they are slow in coming. Back in the days when the FCC had a lot of monitoring stations, and spent a lot of time actually doing something other than discussing cell phones, most hams were afraid they were listening, and we kept our noses - and our language - clean. But today we know the FCC is out to lunch, for the most part, and only monitors the ham bands when 1,000 hams insist, and then only for a few moments. "There ain't no fear of God in them thar hams!"
(God being the FCC monitors)

I doubt it will get significantly better, despire the slow improvements, as every time one or two are fined, another five or six get ham tickets and carry on the same trash.

The nice thing about CW is you really have to work at it to drop a curse word.

Ed

[W7CE]

Quote[/b] (KA2LIM @ Sep. 22 2004,17:13)]The hobby does NOT need more people entering into it, the hobby needs quality people entering into it. When something is given away, this is what you get. #Curseing was seldom heard as little as 20 years ago.
I couldn't agree more. #The ARRL would have us believe that our's is a dying hobby. #It may be aging, but it certainly isn't dying. #When I got my license in 1968 there were about 250,000 hams in the U.S. and the population was around 220 Million. #Today, there are about 750,000 hams and the population is about 270 Million (these are approximations, I don't have the exact numbers in front of me). #That means that the number of hams per capita in the U.S. is 2.4 times what it was in 1968. #When we drop back to 300,000 to 400,000 hams we can begin to worry about our dying hobby. #In the meantime, we need more stringent entry requirements so that we only get highly motivated individuals joining our ranks #(personally, I feel cheated because I didn't get to take the 20WPM code test). #That won't completely clean up the bands but it will certainly help reduce the amount of low life joining our ranks. #You are absolutely right about giving the licenses away. #People tend to not value things that cost them nothing. #That's just Econ 101.

[N9CJT]

I guess having potty mouths on 144.200 or 3.895 is common enough, but I didn't expect to find it on 60 meters. There are a couple of real losers who like to operate at 5.375 LSB (thereby qrming "channel 4" at 5.3715 USB) who are just amazingly vulgar.

[NN2X]

I tend to operate on 17 meters, I don't know what frequency has to do with Ham operator’s behavior, but it seems to be the 17 meter is the Gentlemen’s Band.

When I monitor the 80 meter band I have heard some verbiage that is not so colorful.

So this may indicate that on local transmissions, such as 80 meters, and the 2 meters there is a correlation with the proximity and the negative verbiage.

Seems like to further away the communications the nicer the positive language.

Maybe it only coincidental, but it is just an observation over the years of my HAM experience.

Maybe there should be a demographical study of verbal behavior based on the frequency HAM operators transmit on.

I am sure the same HAM operator that offends on 2 meters will not on 17 meters, sort of a society introduced frequency sensitive controlled behavior!

C U on 17 meters Band

[N7YKY]

Quote[/b] (NY7Q @ Sep. 21 2004,13:18)]Unfortunately, it will continue. These little people do not care about others, themselves, and not about to care who is listening. They think they are cool because they can swear on the air. They hear it on TV and think it is okay anywhere on the air. I usually pull them up, "rudely" both on air, and in person if need be. Its not just Cbrs, its the low life attracted to ham radio by the easy exams and no cw requirements now.
I agree that we need to stop the offensive language; I also feel that we need to stop the generalizations about the offenders. I have found this problem is not limited to the newer operators. We have a great hobby that I am very proud of. Let's work together to stop this issue.

73's

[AB8TM]

Quote[/b] (N0KLT @ Sep. 21 2004,19:13)]And it's not always the drunk and stupid among us either. I can remember, listening to a group on a general coverage receiver many years ago, long before I got a ham ticket. This group was very proud of the fact they were all extras except for one adanced or maybe it was a general and that all of them except for one widow of a former member of the group were all engineers or other high tech jobs for a major electronics company. This group was the most elitest, racist and at times the most foul mouth group of hams I had ever heard. They would designate a different member of the group each night to deal with any outsider with the gall to try to break into or join their group. The designated 'QSOr' would engage the new station and be as neutral and as unwelcoming he could be without telling the guy to get lost. While the new station was keyed up the rest of the group would key up under him making snide remarks, criticizing everything he did from his speech patterns to his signal to his choice of radios. If the new station would happen to unkey while one of the regulars was keyed up making fun of him so much the better and if he objected or tried to argue or criticize the group for their behavior, then it got really nasty. When left to themselves, they would basically make fun of other workers who weren't as elite as themselves or other hams in general. And if they ever got started on any racial subject, it really got nasty. It was hard to believe they would talk like that with a woman in the group, but she pretty much seemed to ignore what they said unless someone directly called her. I thought it interesting because they used her for a frequency check to tune to because their such superior equipment that they ran all drifted varying amounts and every half an hour or so, they would call her and have her talk so they could all get their radios back on the same spot on the band. It has been over 30 yrs since I heard these guys, and the memory of the frequency and time has long slipped away. What stuck is their elitest attitudes, their nasty mouths and operating habits and their general overall disdain for anyone not as smart as they were, defined by working for the same company and also having the same level of License as they had.
good point NØKLT

Guys like this come from all walks of life.

[ke4rws]

I too have heard the foul language many times on the radio. 99% of the time it falls within the HF region rather than anything above 50 MHz. People may not like that fact but if the truth be told then there it is.

Ironically I've been told by those who operate in the HF band that "real hams" operate HF. Is that what a real ham is these days? Wow, I'll stay above 50 MHz rather than participate in that nonsense and/or teach our little ones bad habits.

That's not to say that bad language doesn't happen above 50 MHz because it does. However, if you look at the percentages it puts this problem in perspective. I also realize folks don't want finger pointing here either, but I think it's important to first identify precisely where this problem mostly occurs. Like it or not sometimes the truth hurts.

[n0zu]

<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>I agree,
I have said for many years that is why I have not wanted to be on the HF bands.
You here to many words that should not be used on the air.

Just because they use them on TV and RADIO BRODCAST STATIONS, we are not to use them

WE ARE HAM RADIO OPERATORS ( NOT BRODCASTERS)

we are to set a good example to every one out there,
But evry time I listen to the the ( HF ) bands I here this,
and Other words, Like body parts that should not be talked about,
Or they are chewing some one out, or running them off, #for tring to get into a QSO, because they #say they are not part of there group.

Enough said I think that you can get the Picture on this.

I spent Alot to get into Ham radio, and so do others.
When they here this, they think they can here this kind of crap at home, work, the store or other places,
So they #End up selling there radios and you never here #from them again.

So lets try as hams to do what we are to do ( KEEP #IT CLEAN ) and if you use a bad word Accidentally #, say you slipped, and try not to us them again.

Remeber if you run off the new people that want to become hams,
We end up loosing Bands and Band Space,because the fcc see's that the bands are not being used, so they #sell them to someone else that wants to pay for the frequencys.




</span></span>

[n0zu]

Quote[/b] ]<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>Today, there are about 750,000 hams and the population is about 270 Million (these are approximations, I don't have the exact numbers in front of me). #That means that the number of hams per capita in the U.S. is 2.4 times what it was in 1968. #When we drop back to 300,000 to 400,000 hams we can begin to worry about our dying hobby.</span>

<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>How many of the #750,000 hams you say, are #active, or not a silent Key.

I think that you need to look at your numbers again. #

If you go to the Fcc # web page it Is not going to tell you how many are not Silent keys, because everyone that Becomes a Silent Key does not listed there.

Everyone that Gets License does not use Ham radio,
I know of a school that one of the Requirements is to get there ham radio License, even though they #will never use it, or they #never even wanted it.

and there are the ones that get a Ham radio License, and then they leave the hobby because of the way they are treated on the air or they just do not like what they Hear on the air.


I am one that has been Run off the air by a club by only 1 or 2 people wanting to talk to me on the air, and how much fun can that be.

I have tried to get on the HF bands but you again #get pushed off by #groups.
I have sold my radios many times.
and tried to get back into it but when #no one talks to you, #well what do you do,
that is right I turn off the Ham Radio and listen to the Brodcsters.

in my town I my wife and one son and one other lady #are the only so called active hams.
and it has been this way for years. #
The others have sold there radios, Silent Keys, or just got out of the Hobby because of what has happened to me has happened to them.

so when you come up with #Exact numbers let me know and I think that you will be suprised to see that your numbers maybe WAY OFF.
</span></span>

[na4it]

Well, I'm sure someone will "flame the preacher" for me commenting here, but here goes.

I am not commenting from a religious standpoint. But just how far does freedom of speech go? We have seen of late museums that our children can go to that pornography is allowed as an "art form". We have nationally broadcast TV shows that cursing and sex is allowed almost every minute. Yet, FCC rules do specify the limits!

The key I believe is enforcement. Riley has done a lot for radio, but more needs to be done. I am amazed at "good" nets, such as Bible discussion nets, hurricane nets, traffic nets, that are routinely interfered with. And it seems as nothing is done about it. The most the participants can do is ignore the offender.

Yet, when a "potty mouth" starts his or her retoric, it is allowed to go on. Mind you, I am not advocating deliberate interference, but I suggest the following:

(1) Ignore them. Write down their callsign (if they give one) and the next time they make a CQ, ignore them.

(2) Record every word. (I use a piece of software called "Vox Actuated Recorder" which is freeware. Document what you hear. Times, dates, frequencies, callsign, put it all down. Then send it to the FCC.

(3) Absolutely refuse to talk or even acknowledge the person until they have made a change of heart. As a net control, I would also refuse to "roger" them into a net.

That's all we can do. Unfortunately, those folks who would like to remain decent and honorable are the minority. But I suggest we remain decent and honorable.

73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[W8VIJ]

Out of the abundance of the Heart the mouth speaks!
Become "Pro Active". You can file a complaint with the FCC at their website under "Amateur radio complaints. It is an easy form to fill out. # You may be asked to supply the FCC with a recording.

[NY7Q]

Several of you must have guilty minds. I do not suggest "ALL" new hams are lowlife. I cited the individuals who take anything for free without work, or an expression of pride, who, usually are the lawbreakers...a filthy voice on radio is a lawbreaker, and a stupid lowlife, who took advantage of the new regulations to enter ham radio, and cause hate. I DO NOT LOOK DOWN MY NOSE AT ALL NEWBIES. I HAVE ELMERED MY FAIR SHARE OF NEWBIES OVER THE LAST 44 YEARS....

[wa4dou]

N0ZU is an unissued call. His writing is mostly nonsense.

[AK6S]

I agree it just doesn't belong! #I think back 20 years while on the job no one would think to talk like that in front of me, (woman) and I would get a sorry for the slip and the boss might talk to them. #Now 20 years later the comment is hey if you don't like it leave or quit and the boss use it too and thinks nothing about. #I am afraid we have allowed it and excepted it too long in public places and I am sorry but I just don't buy into you can turn off the radio, quit your job or leave. #But I do as the rest, live with it in public but not on the air. #It real has nothing to do with new licenses or code its how the work force/world has excepted it or allowed. #I hope we can at least stop it on the airways. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Sherry AK6S

[wa4dou]

Internet writings reveal that both civility and literacy have slipped away, in modern times.

[aa1mn]

It's absolutely appalling to find how many "reasonable" adults content themselves with such frivolous whining about having the right to decide what the rest of have every right to listen to without giving a moment's consideration to this fact.

Truth is, swearing, cussing and cursing does not lower a person by the choice of words they use, rather it is by the choice of words a person allows themselve not to use that shows how belittled they have become.

Offensive language, like any language, only has the power that one is willing to give it and has never done an individual or group any harm.

The political correctness that has run amok in today's society to such an extreme that we are now willing to hand over our ability to think to governmental institutions such as the FCC without so much as wondering what the consequences will be of this ... well, we all know what happened to the followers of Jim Jones in Guyana, the members of the Davidian cult and those of Heaven's Gate.

Are we so willing to let the FCC decide for us what we should see, hear and view only to complain about it later when we no longer can make these decisions for ourselves?

I, for one, am fully capable of deciding for myself what I will listen to on the amateur airwaves, on cable and network television as well as on broadcast radio.

There is no sympathy on my part for the rest of you sheep who feel the need to be told what to do to protect yourselves FROM yourselves ... so please give freely all of your worldly goods to me and I'll be sure they are invested wisely in a bank account of my own doing.

Thanks in advance for your generous donations, my flock of hapless sheep.

As for the rest of you, join me in swearing with pride!

Chuck, AA1MN

[kj5t]

Why must the flamming go on here.. What was done over the air is wrong, for those that agree, its great.. for those that disagree, you may want to reconsider what the hobby is all about..

[ai2ia]

I keep the Amateur's Code posted in the shack I share with my son. We make a habit of reading it once before we go on the air. The first item is "Considerate ... never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others." If we keep the code in the shack and read it just once before switching on, then we will all be real hams.

[ai9nl]

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As a confirmed and devout atheist, cussing and blaspheming are some of life's most difficult tasks. God has little meaning and therefore damnation is of little consequence.

Using this sort of language as a guage of mental acuity and the ability to carry on reasoned discource, we know who to avoid. There are so many nicer ways of vilifying someone's character or parentage.

I find that most of this low language comes from Christian-Republicans ... trying to add their own unreasoned emphasis to the commentaries of their slow minded leadership.

Harv, AI9NL

[kb9mnm]

We must police ourselves. Report any "abusers". Do not waste your time with them, they will only want to argue more. That is what the ARRL wants us to do. Yes, it is sad to have "little ears" subjected to pure inconsideration and lack of intelligence. Being a father of a 7 yo and 4 yo, I have learned that they are MHRRs, or Mini Humanoid Recorders and Repeaters! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (wa4dou @ Sep. 23 2004,08:35)]N0ZU is an unissued call. His writing is mostly nonsense.
"Writing?" Is that what you call it? Mostly incoherence.

[kb9mnm]

Ok, this isnt about religion or politics. It's about using common sense, courtesy and following the rules.

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (ke4rws @ Sep. 22 2004,22:55)]I too have heard the foul language many times on the radio. 99% of the time it falls within the HF region rather than anything above 50 MHz. People may not like that fact but if the truth be told then there it is.

Ironically I've been told by those who operate in the HF band that "real hams" operate HF. Is that what a real ham is these days? Wow, I'll stay above 50 MHz rather than participate in that nonsense and/or teach our little ones bad habits.

That's not to say that bad language doesn't happen above 50 MHz because it does. However, if you look at the percentages it puts this problem in perspective. I also realize folks don't want finger pointing here either, but I think it's important to first identify precisely where this problem mostly occurs. Like it or not sometimes the truth hurts.
One reason you hear less of it on VHF is you hear less stations on VHF. Your range is limited, whereas on 75 or 20 meters, the range is hundreds of miles, which means thousands more hams than you are going to hear on 2 meters or 6 meters. That isn't saying that VHF or HF is the cleaner; it just means the conditions are different, and it's hard to compare.

I began to hear 'off-color' talk (sexual inuendos) in the late 60s to early 70s, but the true profanity did not show up as a regular thing, at least where I was (and I was several places) until the late 80s and early 90s. Remember, it was at that time the VEC program came into being and buddies were giving buddies ham licenses, often unearned, right and left. The entire atmosphere of ham radio changed in that era, as a fairly good percentage of the new hams on the late 80s/early 90s had no idea what ham radio was all about. They had never had to earn the respect of fellow hams.

Now, of course, those same guys are the "old timers" we hear on 75, 40 and 20. They've been with us nearly two decades, and they have not changed their stripes. As if we thought they could or would. So now the face of ham radio reflects the results of the big push to get all those folks without a care into ham radio. They are here. Ah, and now we don't want them! Surprise, surprise!

I worked in a very coeducational facility for years. I felt the women who sought it deserved respect (this for Sherry) and almost all of them did. We had one fellow, though, who felt it was his right to use M-F_ as every third word, in front of whomever he chose. Unfortunately, the women tended to accept this as simply being, I suppose, an uncouth individual (I should mention he was Caucasian) and I never heard of a complaint being filed. Part of the problem is, therefore, what you accept, what you choose to ignore. Sure, you can file a complaint and be forced out the door. Then you have federal recourse, though it may be a painful process.

It is not just women. Many men do not appreciate such profane language. But when no-one lodges formal complaints, it is deemed "acceptable."

We in ham radio can do no more than file a complaint. If we ignore it, it doesn't go away. Maybe there is no cure for the disease, but untreated it simply gets worse, as it has been getting for 20 years. We are not likely to ever return to the good old days of ham radio, so now we have to figure out how much we can tolerate.

Someone on here made the remark about ham radio being a requirement in some school. I hope he is mixed up, or in the worst case, at least a liar. I would hate to think that any school, church or other organization, is making ham radio a 'requirement.' That is a serious mistake. We do not need to raise the body count in ham radio. We need to raise the number of people with an interest, not the number of slightly warm bodies we can shove a license into. That does all of the hobby a terrible disservice. I hope it isn't true.

As I noted earlier, CW operation is an alternative to the foul language, but CW is not for everyone. We should not have to change modes or interests in order to avoid the profane, inane stupid among our ranks. They are not only violating the law, they are violating the respect and integrity of ham radio. If it dies, and it may very well do so, it will be a combination of several things that kill it. Among those things are lack of respect. Other things, of course, are making it so completely void of challenge it will interest no-one; turning it into a form of internet; and promoting it to the masses.

Ed

[wb3cuf]

Well, the commission has finally fined CBS for indeciency (Dan Rather notwithstanding). #Now let's see if they really have the spine to catch and fine the daylights out of some of these hams.

[n7mfr]

Quote[/b] (ai9nl @ Sep. 23 2004,14:47)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I find that most of this low language comes from Christian-Republicans ... trying to add their own unreasoned emphasis to the commentaries of their slow minded leadership.

Harv, AI9NL
Sounds like you have an Axe to grind there Harv. What does any of that have to do with this topic?

[n0zu]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Sep. 23 2004,15:41)]Quote[/b] (wa4dou @ Sep. 23 2004,08:35)]N0ZU is an unissued call. His writing is mostly nonsense.
"Writing?" #Is that what you call it? #Mostly incoherence.
<span style='color:red'>I think that the one person need to relook the call.

And it looks that I my have hit a bad nerve</span>

[KI4CUD]

I have been involved with ham radio for all 19 years of my life. #My father and uncle are both hams and have been for a long time. #I now spend a lot of time with some close friends, who are 4 girls from 6 years old to 16 years old, and their mom and dad. #Almost everyone knows me as always having my cell phone on one hip, and my portable radio on my other, and almost always have it tuned into a local repeater (I also have it with me when I help out with my Church's children's programs). #Around my area, the repeater I listen to doesn't handle a lot of traffic, but I know almost everyone that uses it, and therefore, I can pretty much trust the type of language that is going to be used on it, and I don't worry about it when I am around kids. #Recently during the last few hurricanes, while Skywarn was activated, there were a few people who used some REALLY foul language. #Unfortunately, they didn't ID, or there would have been about 5 reports being sent in to the commission, one from me, the others from other listeners who instantly asked if anyone had caught their ID or recognized their voice (Thanks for trying guys!). #Now I turn my radio down and hold it to my ear when I am around anyone when I am listening to Skywarn. #Then I end up telling everyone what’s going on because I don't want to turn it up for the fear of any kids hearing anything I can't control.

I also want to say thanks to AA9MY for starting this discussion, and everyone else who has expressed their concerns and comments. #Lets keep this hobby enjoyable and attractive to future amateur radio operators.

73, Jim KI4CUD

[N0KLT]

Looks like he is in the QRZ data base. He is from some place in Iowa that is just over the river and north of Omaha. He is real; as for anything else, you guys are on your own. I was too lazy to check the FCC data base but I am fairly confident that if he is in QRZ's data base the same info is in the FCC one.

73

Gary NØKLT

[wa4dou]

I stand corrected. I must have looked up NOZU. Either way, Leonards post is nonsense.

[K3EKO]

If you don't like what you hear on the ham bands, simply change the VFO.

Thank You.

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] ]If you don't like what you hear on the ham bands, simply change the VFO.


Thank You.
AAAhh, NO I'm not going to change the VFO!! I'm going to key the mic and tell you to knock off your language because my grand kids don't need to be hearing the crap coming out of your mouth!

And now to the people with good taste,,,
I still think my idea from the other thread on this subject it good.

And that's to start a net. And the net consists of 2 hours usually late in the evening. #And #3 or 4 people in the net would do nothing but scan up and down the bands listening for colorfull language. And the rest of the people on the net talk the way most nets talk, not talking about that there are people listening up and down the bands

Then one of the guys that are listening up and down the bands will pipe up and say a number, and that's it. The number will be the frequency for everyone to go to that has the language. #And that will be the "Sign" for everyone except 2 or 3 people to go down to that frequency and listen. The 2 or 3 people keeps the frequency the net is on. #And someone that is picked before hand will key up on the frequency that the swearing is taling place, and object to the language when someone says a swear word. #

And if the people on the frequency don't comply and starts stomping on the person complaining about the language, then the rest of the net that came down from the net frequency jumps in and objects. If they say they will mind their P's and Q's, then they monitor for a while more, and go back to the net frequency and resume the net until someone else comes on that is monitoring up and down the bands pipes up with another frequency for them to go to.

If we don't police our frequencies, then it's just going to go the way of CB

[aa1mn]

Quote[/b] ]AAAhh, NO I'm not going to change the VFO!! I'm going to key the mic and tell you to knock off your language because my grand kids don't need to be hearing the crap coming out of your mouth!


You have absolutely no legal or moral authority to tell the above person or anyone else what language to use,
especially if you're too damn stupid, lazy or stubborn to shut the radio off or change the channel.

Chuck, AA1MN

[LA5HE]

Unfortunately, what you mention is happening much too often - also on this side of the pond. That is one of the reasons why I spend most of my time on CW. I can recommend it !
73 Rag LA5HE

[n7spy]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Sep. 24 2004,05:20)]Quote[/b] ]AAAhh, NO I'm not going to change the VFO!! I'm going to key the mic and tell you to knock off your language because my grand kids don't need to be hearing the crap coming out of your mouth!


You have absolutely no legal or moral authority to tell the above person or anyone else what language to use,
especially if you're too damn stupid, lazy or stubborn to shut the radio off or change the channel.

Chuck, AA1MN
Charles/AA1MN:

No legal authority??? Oh really?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

The second thing ANY Ham learns about this hobby (after the privileges) are the things that you cannot say on the air.

Read Part 97.113(4), which specifies "... obscene or indecent words of language..." as prohibited.

And please spare me the "freedom of speech" speech... I am as big of a believer of one's freedom to say what's in our hearts... the issue is when people say what's in their hearts but are not willing to accept the responsibilities/consequences of their actions. That's not enjoying/exercising one's freedom: that's abusing, disrespecting, and just flat-out laughing in the face of those freedoms.

Alvin/N7SPY

[W7CE]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Sep. 24 2004,05:20)]You have absolutely no legal or moral authority to tell the above person or anyone else what language to use,
especially if you're too damn stupid, lazy or stubborn to shut the radio off or change the channel.

Chuck, AA1MN
Channel?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Sounds like CB talk to me.

Since foul language on the air is illegal, we have every right to insist that hams comply with the regulations. I'm always amazed when completely self-absorbed people insist on their God-given right to be as offensive to as many people as possible. Somehow, I don't think that's what the forefathers had in mind when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. What's wrong with a little common courtesy and civility? It seems that an educated man should be able to find interesting and creative ways to express his thoughts without resorting to language that has traditionally been associated with the cruder aspects of society. Expletives rarely add credence to one's point of view.

Clay W7CE
"Technology and civilization are NOT synonymous"

[aa1mn]

Quote[/b] ]Since foul language on the air is illegal, we have every right to insist that hams comply with the regulations.

"We" as citizens or licensed amateurs do not unless you are an FCC official.

It amazes me when completely self-absorbed people insist it is their God-given right to determine what is offensive and what is not for the rest of us.

The forefathers of this country, the United States of America, had in mind when they wrote the Constitution the ability for citizens of this land to express themselves even should certain others -- meaning you or I -- find such expressions offensive; we also have the right not to listen to it which none of us are forced to do.

Civility and courtesy are fine. #So is course language.

An educated person is judged not just by the words they choose to use but also by the words they choose not to use; those who give words power over them not to be used are the ignorant ones, expletives and all ... that's why they are termed expletives to add emphasis to a point.

Chuck, AA1mn

[W7CE]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Sep. 24 2004,07:58)]"We" as citizens or licensed amateurs do not unless you are an FCC official.
"We the people....."

Our's is a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" (from Lincoln's Gettysburg address), although many seem to have forgotten that. "We" are the FCC. "We" are the Senate. "We" are the government. "We" have the right to make a citizen's arrests. "We" also have the right to insist that others obey the law. It doesn't matter if that law involves profanity on the air or bank robbery. We all have not only the right, but the duty as citizens to help enforce the law.

Obviously, the rule of law is not a precept that you hold in high regard. Fortunately, you hold a minority opinion in the amateur radio community and the citizenry at large, so it is unlikely that the law will ever change to match your viewpoint. From my perspective, I can only hope that those who hear you flagrantly violating the law will begin tape recording you and sending those tapes to the FCC. I know that your comments have convinced me to buy a tape recorder for my ham shack.

[WA9UAA]

Quote AA1MN

"So is course language.

An educated person is judged not just by the words they choose to use but also by the words they choose not to use; those who give words power over them not to be used are the ignorant ones, expletives and all ... that's why they are termed expletives to add emphasis to a point."

End Quote

Did you mean "coarse language"? Look it up in your Funk & Wagnalls. Most of us know, "Class Tells"

Rob WA9UAA

[aa1mn]

Quote[/b] ]Did you mean "coarse language"? Look it up in your Funk & Wagnalls. Most of us know, "Class Tells"


Oops, me make boo boo.

Thanks for the correction, of course I meant "coarse"!!!

And I can find words not only in Funk & Wagnalls but in many other dictionaries as well that would get this post removed rather quickly were I to use them here.

I hope that you and others don't misunderstand my intent which is that people generally have just as much of a right to use and listen to languange, within the bounds of the law, that may be found objectionable to others; it is rare that people who find material objectionable-- language, movies, radio, telvision shows, etc. -- are actually "forced" to endure it, rather they are usually just to lazy or dull witted to walk away from it, turn it off or change the channel.

Those claim that they shouldn't be subjected to it to begin with really aren't living in reality ... if this were the case I could easily say I shouldn't be subjected to them just as easily.

Once crank's view, that crank being me.

Chuck, AA1MN

[W7CE]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Sep. 24 2004,09:40)]What is THIS based upon, some unknown study perhaps?
Considering the popularity of #pornorgraphy and "R" rated movies I'd tend to disagree with you, but I'd be willing to listen to any refutations you might have on the matter. Not to mention the dwindling numbers of licensed, active hams compared to nonlicensed, active CBers who are -- in my view -- a more honest, less hypocritical lot than amateurs anyway.

You've got some 'xplainin' to do, W7CE ...;)
Next you'll be promoting pornographic plays in public parks and grade schools. #Not everything is appropriate in all forums or venues. #That's why pornography is illegal on broadcast television and profanity is illegal on ham radio. #They are both public forums that include underage children.

Based on your comments in this forum, I'm sure that you are much happier in the CB community and I wish you well there. #One is always happier when associating with kindred spirits.

As for the rest, it's not even worth responding too. #It's now time for me to get on the air and cleanse myself by conversing with some real hams for a while.

[wa5pse]

Quote[/b] (na4it @ Sep. 23 2004,05:32)]That's all we can do. Unfortunately, those folks who would like to remain decent and honorable are the minority. But I suggest we remain decent and honorable.

73 #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Forgive me, I'm not really flaming you, but, aren't you being pessimistic??

I thought we were talking about a few "bad" apples!
I'd argue with you about your "minority" statement...

Most hams I know really are decent and honorable, thank God.

Mike, K9QB

[n0zu]

Quote[/b] (wa4dou @ Sep. 23 2004,20:37)]I stand corrected. I must have looked up NOZU. Either way, Leonards post is nonsense.
<span style='color:blue'>I would like to know what you do not understnd about not saying cursing words

I would like to know what you do not understand about the amount of ham there are.

or maybe you are one of the guilty people out there overly using the DAM, HELL, and other words out there,
making a bad name for us hams that enjoy the hobby, and have learned to be able to talk on the air and not using cursing words.

and the you can not go by what the fcc says are active hams, because you have people dying, and others that do not use ham ticket, because the did not even want it, it was just a requirement for a class in school, or they just got sick of being pushed around by others that do not want them on the air, so they get out of the hobby.

I have seen people on ebay selling there radios to get out of the hobby.

so ROY #SR. ( wa4dou )let me know what you do not under stand.</span>

[aa1mn]

Quote[/b] ]No legal authority??? Oh really?

Yes, really!

Are you an FCC employee or otherwise carry a police badge? Or is the only license you carry an amateur radio license?

If latter is so than the only authority you or I have is to report such abuse to the FCC or other appropriate authority and let it be handled through the legal system by those who do have the authority to do so.

Quote[/b] ]And please spare me the "freedom of speech" speech

Will you spare me all this nonsense about foul language being an evil in our society?

Quote[/b] ]That's not enjoying/exercising one's freedom: that's abusing, disrespecting, and just flat-out laughing in the face of those freedoms.


Are you overlooking the fact that it is unpleasant people that make the world unpleasant not unpleasant words?



Quote[/b] ]Read Part 97.113(4), which specifies "... obscene or indecent words of language..." as prohibited.


Sure, and while we're at it why don't we hand over every other freedom to this fine government of ours, they have our best interest at heart don't they? ... NOT!

If you want to play it safe you're not going to have any liberties, instead you will have suppression and tyranny; limiting speech in any way gives government too much control.

Let us not forget, the FCC and its employees work for us, we pay their salary through our taxes, and, as such, I am not willing to give a small minorty of people who want to determine what is right and wrong for the rest of us to say or listen the ability to do so -- are you?

Yours,

Chuck, AA1MN

[kr4wm]

I think someone overlooked one of the part 97 rules about "intentional interference". If you lower yourself to interfering with the offending stations- you're no better than they are! If you really feel the need to get involved, ask your local ARRL official how to become an "Official Observer".

I don't know if the foul language has become as much of a problem as some here seem to think. I've heard a few ignoramuses here and there, many in response to "querming" when someone gets too close to some redneck's operating frequency. Instead of politely asking for some space, they jump in and cuss and throw carriers, when a polite request is all that would really be necessary.

I think the "lead author" of this thread probably did the prudent thing- not engaging the offender on the air, rather, sending them written correspondence seems to be an intelligent plan of attack.

As a general rule, some grow older and wiser, and some grow younger and more foolish. It has been said that a wise man can always learn something from a fool, but a fool will never learn anything from a wise man. Don't waste your breath on the air- just get out your pen and paper, and send the FCC and the ARRL as many details as you can remember of what you heard on the air and the fool's callsigns. Then let them sort it out. Of course it helps to have witnesses, so get your friends to listen in and do the same thing. With any luck, you'll have a positive effect on the airwaves.

On the other hand, I kind of sympathize with the fellow who feels his civil rights seem to be getting trampled by those of us who don't want to hear his cussing on the air. But, I was once told that my right to swing my fist ended when it made contact with someone's nose. I feel the same principle applies here- your right to cuss ends when the words come through the speaker on my radio. If I change the frequency (dodge the fist) I might get lucky and it won't make contact (with my ears). Unfortunately, once the foul language comes through my speaker, the damage has already been done...

-KR4WM

[WL7LZ]

<span style='color:red'>

Post the offenders callsign. I would like to know who it is too. Let him then get mail and let his fellow amatuers judge him.

Mark
WL7LZ</span>

[K3EKO]

Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Sep. 23 2004,20:06)]Quote[/b] ]If you don't like what you hear on the ham bands, simply change the VFO.


Thank You.
AAAhh, #NO I'm not going to change the VFO!! #I'm going to key the mic and tell you to knock off your language because my grand kids don't need to be hearing the crap coming out of your mouth!

And now to the people with good taste,,,
# # # #I still think my idea from the other thread on this subject it good.

# # # #And that's to start a net. And the net consists of 2 hours usually late in the evening. #And #3 or 4 people in the net would do nothing but scan up and down the bands listening for colorfull language. And the rest of the people on the net talk the way most nets talk, not talking about that there are people listening up and down the bands

Then one of the guys that are listening up and down the bands will pipe up and say a number, and that's it. The number will be the frequency for everyone to go to that has the language. #And that will be the "Sign" for everyone except 2 or 3 people to go down to that frequency and listen. The 2 or 3 people keeps the frequency the net is on. #And someone that is picked before hand will key up on the frequency that the swearing is taling place, and object to the language when someone says a swear word. #

And if the people on the frequency don't comply and starts stomping on the person complaining about the language, then the rest of the net that came down from the net frequency jumps in and objects. If they say they will mind their P's and Q's, then they monitor for a while more, and go back to the net frequency and resume the net until someone else comes on that is monitoring up and down the bands pipes up with another frequency for them to go to.

If we don't police our frequencies, then it's just going to go the way of CB
Then you should find some other activity that doesn't offend you and your grand kids can participate ie going to the local park.

[W9GRN]

Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Sep. 24 2004,01:06)]If we don't police our frequencies, then it's just going to go the way of CB
It already has.Sad to say, it's the signs of the times we live in. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] ]Then you should find some other activity that doesn't offend you and your grand kids can participate ie going to the local park.Better yet,
I think it's time people decide for themselves to be of good taste and sounding like they came from intelligent parents of good taste and morals, and ethics.

Or at least pretend to, even if they didn't. But how am I going to get a man to act decently if he wasn't brought up that way? That's why the recorder will be on, and tapes getting sent to Hollingsworth. Then it's up to him to do the job that your parents didn't do. Weren't you raised better than that?

I will NEVER understand how a person despite on how they were raised will be proud of being of awful taste and a potty mouth. Defiantly not the kind of people for me to want to associate with. My parents either.

PS. Take my grandkids to the Park??
How about there is decent language on
the radio so I don't HAVE to take my
grandkids to the Park??

[k2lck]

Ahh, yes.. #Well, when there are that many apples in the barrel..Be OK of the offenders call was posted... #Actually it is just the childish "you can't make me" thing, and we hafta live with it..Humanity has always had a shortage of horses heads.. #Ed

[kb9yiv]

Quote[/b] (wa4dou @ Sep. 23 2004,08:35)]N0ZU is an unissued call. His writing is mostly nonsense.
sorry but you are wrong he is a ham

N0ZU Lookups: 372
Leonard A Davis
809 10th St
Onawa IA 51040
USA

[W8SLC]

Seems to me that the garbage mouth has a few messages to convey:

1. I do not respect you; I do not respect myself.

2. I don't really care what anyone thinks of me.

3. Whatever it is that makes me inferior also renders me helpless to do anything about it.

4. My parents were total failures.

Remember when a ham license was something you had to work for? Now, any idiot can get one if he/she takes the exam enough times...

[kb9yiv]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Sep. 24 2004,05:20)]Quote[/b] ]AAAhh, #NO I'm not going to change the VFO!! #I'm going to key the mic and tell you to knock off your language because my grand kids don't need to be hearing the crap coming out of your mouth!


You have absolutely no legal or moral authority to tell the above person or anyone else what language to use,
especially if you're too damn stupid, lazy or stubborn to shut the radio off or change the channel.

Chuck, AA1MN
AA1NM is right. I would rather go else where to engage in intelligent, gentlemen like conversation on another frequency. In those case Report it to the local ARRL leader. Let them monitor and deal with it.[QUOTE]

[k4ter]

Civility on the air has suffered ever since no-coders came on... #Try cw--I have yet to encounter a rude cw op! 73, Bill

[W0FS]

Having been fairly active since 1963 and a swl before that, I feel that most of the bad language on the air is due to a change in American society. Bad language, aggressive behavior on the air and off were not unknown 40 and 50 years ago but not as evident. If this is all due to no-code techs, why does most of the garbage-mouth activity show up on hf where the no-coders aren't allowed? In this area, most of the activity is on 2 meters. The only time I have heard bad language used there was a fellow with a drinking problem who thankfully has disappeared at least locally. Most of the no-code techs I have had contact with have been a credit to the hobby. Bashing newcomers on these threads seems to be a common thing. Before you do that, think about the contributions you have made to ham radio before running others down. Thanks for your time. 73, Clay W0FS

[K3EKO]

Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Sep. 24 2004,22:01)]Quote[/b] ]Then you should find some other activity that doesn't offend you and your grand kids can participate ie going to the local park.Better yet,
I think it's time people decide for themselves to be of good taste and sounding like they came from intelligent parents of good taste and morals, and ethics.

Or at least pretend to, even if they didn't. #But how am I going to get a man to act decently if he wasn't brought up that way? #That's why the recorder will be on, and tapes getting sent to Hollingsworth. Then it's up to him to do the job that your parents didn't do. Weren't you raised better than that?

I will NEVER understand how a person despite on how they were raised will be proud of being of awful taste and a potty mouth. #Defiantly not the kind of #people for me to want to associate with. #My parents either.

PS. Take my grandkids to the Park??
# # How about there is decent language on
# # the radio so I don't HAVE to take my
# # grandkids to the Park??
You just don't understand the times that you're living in...Wake up and smell the coffee!!

[W0UZR]

I don't CARE what times this is.
If you are going to be an amateur operator, then you have to act respectfully on the air. And always act respectfully on the air. and if not, Go back to CB.
My grandkids don't need to hear your filth.

[K3EKO]

You must not have a life if you constantly worry about how others are behaving on the ham bands...

[k4kwm]

You are wrong. N0ZU IS a valid call.His name is leonard Davis and he is from Iowa. While his writing may be suspect, his call is not.
# # Also, I am very surprised at the content of some of the recent messages. Some of the more pompous replies use spelling and grammer that is of first grade level.
# # Well, I feel better now. How about you?

[w6em]

Punished for Demanding that Obscenities Be Removed

Well, on a primarily-ham website board, batlabs.com I was viciously verbally attacked by K4WTF, (who appears to be a policeman in Ohio, since he has installed a siren in his personal car), and called some demeaning things. Plus, his last comment included an obscenity.

I complained to the Moderators via emails. #The result: They "locked" the topic and left the obscenty and possibly libelous remarks in plain view. #So, I politely told them that I would discuss the issue with my attorney, unless the offending and obscene language directed at me personally was removed.

The result: #They removed the language, finally. #Then, they suspended me from posting for 30 days for "threatening the moderator." #The offending cop/ham, received nothing for his behavior.

So, for those that might happen to visit batlabs.com, beware that you can be victimized by not only personal attacks but be punished for demanding that offensive or obscene comments removed.


Lee
W6EM
Bradenton, FL.

[kb9yiv]

Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Sep. 25 2004,10:36)]I don't CARE what times this is.
If you are going to be an amateur operator, then you have to act respectfully on the air. #And always act respectfully on the air. and if not, Go back to CB.
My grandkids don't need to hear your filth.
I agree 100%

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (k3eko @ Sep. 25 2004,12:52)]You must not have a life if you constantly worry about how others are behaving on the ham bands...
And You don't care what ham radio sounds like? Obviously.

Well we don't need your kind in ham radio. Go back to CB. What we need is people in Amateur radio that care what the atmosphere is on the ham bands.

We need people that care what the language consists of on Amateur Radio for Our KIDS to listen to.

And I think YOU need to get a life!! It's about time,,,ISN'T IT??

[K6UEY]

KBØUZR,
Tnx,you answered a question I have been pondering.Being from the old school,you know the 20th Century crowd, I have a problem keeping up with all the new 21st Century Changes. One of the questions I have pondered is what is the purpose of the new 21st Century Amateur Radio,since it no longer satisfy's the Part 97 Basis and Purpose rules."Amateur Radio for our kids to listen to" sounds good to me,since Congress refused to build Midnight Basket ball courts,as Bill Clinton proposed,and schools no longer assign home work because it interferes with the childs private time,and they all can't be selling drugs and Guns on the street corner,the competition would deflate the going price.I will sleep more sound knowing that the kids have some thing to do in their non-parental monitoring hours. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Hill was right, it does take a Village to raise a child,especially when the parents are not doing the job! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[W0UZR]

More like the social workers and baby sitters are raising the kids.
And what I think is REALLY horrendous is that there has to be parental supervision for my grandkids to Listen To SHORTWAVE!!! #

MaN!!

And these people think that it's assinine for us to be concerned about the awful language they say on the Radio for our kids to LISTEN TO?

Don't you see something Wrong with this picture??

[aa1mn]

[QUOTE]Well we don't need your kind in ham radio. #Go back to CB. #What we need is people in Amateur radio that care what the atmosphere is on the ham bands.
[QUOTE]

No, Steve, it is intolerance such as that which is not needed, on the amateur radio airwaves or off.

Not even the hairstyle can make an ugly mind such as yours pretty, KB0UZR.

A sequence of sounds considered to be objectionable is nothing more than superstitious hooey but then again I don't expect you, Steve, or many others who are currently involved in amateur radio as they, like yourself, are generally a small minded superstitious lot who are more than willing to hand their ability of what is acceptable to listen to over to a governmental agency known as the FCC, to understand such a complex concept.

My children are allowed to listen to what they wish as I, unlike you and so many posters here, am a responsible parent and take the time to explain to them what is being listened to.

I am quite sure, KB0UZR, that the difference will be exhibiting itself much sooner than either one of us would care to admit as my children will mature into people who can make effective decisions for themselves without having to follow others blindly ... hey, look, one of 'em just did right now!

Steve, you're certainly welcome to behave and raise your own offspring as you wish and I'm they and you will have a seat available on the next pass of the Hale-Bopp comet to shed your earthly vessels just as the followers, oops there's that word again, of Heaven's Gate did -- they liked being told how to behave without having to think for themselves too.

Hoping you have a safe flight,

Chuck, AA1MN

[W0UZR]

HAAA! #I didn't know you had entertaining writing talent too.. #I laughed me butt off....

Ok,,,When's the next comet coming? I'm getting on. #But I have to make sure some certain people aren't ON IT first!

Maybe the NORMAL people are there.

[aa1mn]

Yes, that's the ticket, Steve, it's only the normalpeople who don't think for themselves ... that get on the starships lurking in the tails of high-flying comets.

That's why they need to shed their earthly vessels and move on to a higher level of existence where offensive language doesn't exit.

By the way, I have a stash of tickets available, you all can look up my address right here on www.qrz.com and forward all funds made payable to me -- please, cash and bank checks only, no credit cards or personal checks accepted.

Your cooperation is appreciated in this matter. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Chuck "I Invented Amateur Radio" AA1MN

[wx2you]

I use to monitor all the local repeaters on 144/220/440 in my area. Until one of the local 440 repeaters had the same bananas on them like clock work everyday. Low and behold, they were on the air traveling to work, on the way home from work and so on. The conversation was the same everyday. What they did at work everyday and cursing every car that drove erratically or cut them off. It got so out of hand, I just decided to delete it from my scan.

I can talk locker room talk with the best of them, but NOT on the air nor in the wrong atmosphere. Heck, I never even cursed in my CB years prior to HAM... When I first got CB, licenses were required and others wouldn't even talk to you if you didn't use your call, let alone even think about cursing... Sheesh!

I'm currently trying to talk my wife into getting her ticket, but she wants to be intrigued. She heard it too and she was not intrigued in any way. She doesn't want to deal with people like that. I told her everyone is not like that. I started dragging her to events to see the clientèle in the HAM world. Everyone she met was fantastic!

She was amazed how so many strangers where easy to talk to, polite and willing to help. When I first got on VHF/UHF, I had no way to get my antenna mounted on my roof. I was scared to go up there and all commercial installers were backed up with work. A couple of guys on the local 220 repeater that I briefly conversed with volunteered to put it up and did. She again was amazed. Total strangers came to help put up my antenna on a fairly high home.

I told her, HAMs are a special breed and I want her to believe that. Not all of them are the same, but most are good hearted people that are knowledgeable, fun and if possible, always willing to help. This has been a step in the right direction and she is several steps closer to trying for her ticket.

It's a shame there are people out there with the mentality that they can do what they wish and forget the proper rules and etiquette. There are always a few in the bunch that make things bad, but it's nice to know most are not like that and the HAM community can still reign in the best of the best, have high standards and shine brightly.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WL7LZ]

Quote[/b] (k3eko @ Sep. 24 2004,20:21)]Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Sep. 23 2004,20:06)]Quote[/b] ]If you don't like what you hear on the ham bands, simply change the VFO.


Thank You.
AAAhh, NO I'm not going to change the VFO!! I'm going to key the mic and tell you to knock off your language because my grand kids don't need to be hearing the crap coming out of your mouth!

And now to the people with good taste,,,
I still think my idea from the other thread on this subject it good.

And that's to start a net. And the net consists of 2 hours usually late in the evening. And 3 or 4 people in the net would do nothing but scan up and down the bands listening for colorfull language. And the rest of the people on the net talk the way most nets talk, not talking about that there are people listening up and down the bands

Then one of the guys that are listening up and down the bands will pipe up and say a number, and that's it. The number will be the frequency for everyone to go to that has the language. And that will be the "Sign" for everyone except 2 or 3 people to go down to that frequency and listen. The 2 or 3 people keeps the frequency the net is on. And someone that is picked before hand will key up on the frequency that the swearing is taling place, and object to the language when someone says a swear word.

And if the people on the frequency don't comply and starts stomping on the person complaining about the language, then the rest of the net that came down from the net frequency jumps in and objects. If they say they will mind their P's and Q's, then they monitor for a while more, and go back to the net frequency and resume the net until someone else comes on that is monitoring up and down the bands pipes up with another frequency for them to go to.

If we don't police our frequencies, then it's just going to go the way of CB
Then you should find some other activity that doesn't offend you and your grand kids can participate ie going to the local park.
[COLOR=red]

I guess K3EKO agrees with cursing. Kids are one thing, I do HF for the scouts (good kids), SCHOOLS, and other public functions. Police, fire etc to get them interested in Ham Radio.

If I tuned to 80m and heard cursing etc.... while giving a demonstration , public image would be hurt as well as most hams creditability.

Leave the cursing on the 11m band, that why most of us are hams to get into a decent, moral, h obby, helping people, public and kids alike.

"Taking the kids to the park" ... how about dropping the cursing, then Ill take them to the park and bring the radio and set up station and see who might show interest in HAM RADIO.



*** THINK ABOUT THIS ***
As for Ham radio degrading into a CB, well I heard some operators talking one day, cursing, saying what they were going to do to people etc.... so I reached over and turned off the CB in my shack.... Only thing... I was still hearing it... It was coming from the Icom on 80m.


73 all
Mark
WL7LZ

[WL7LZ]

Quote[/b] (k3eko @ Sep. 24 2004,20:21)]Quote[/b] (kb0uzr @ Sep. 23 2004,20:06)]Quote[/b] ]If you don't like what you hear on the ham bands, simply change the VFO.


Thank You.
AAAhh, NO I'm not going to change the VFO!! I'm going to key the mic and tell you to knock off your language because my grand kids don't need to be hearing the crap coming out of your mouth!

And now to the people with good taste,,,
I still think my idea from the other thread on this subject it good.

And that's to start a net. And the net consists of 2 hours usually late in the evening. And 3 or 4 people in the net would do nothing but scan up and down the bands listening for colorfull language. And the rest of the people on the net talk the way most nets talk, not talking about that there are people listening up and down the bands

Then one of the guys that are listening up and down the bands will pipe up and say a number, and that's it. The number will be the frequency for everyone to go to that has the language. And that will be the "Sign" for everyone except 2 or 3 people to go down to that frequency and listen. The 2 or 3 people keeps the frequency the net is on. And someone that is picked before hand will key up on the frequency that the swearing is taling place, and object to the language when someone says a swear word.

And if the people on the frequency don't comply and starts stomping on the person complaining about the language, then the rest of the net that came down from the net frequency jumps in and objects. If they say they will mind their P's and Q's, then they monitor for a while more, and go back to the net frequency and resume the net until someone else comes on that is monitoring up and down the bands pipes up with another frequency for them to go to.

If we don't police our frequencies, then it's just going to go the way of CB
Then you should find some other activity that doesn't offend you and your grand kids can participate ie going to the local park.
I guess K3EKO agrees with cursing. Kids are one thing, I do HF for the scouts (good kids), SCHOOLS, and other public functions. Police, fire etc to get them interested in Ham Radio.

If I tuned to 80m and heard cursing etc.... while giving a demonstration , our public image would be hurt as well as most hams creditability.

Leave the cursing on the 11m band, that why most of us are hams to get into a decent, moral, hobby, helping people, public and kids alike.

<span style='color:blue'>AS FOR K3EKO's COMMENT....

"Then you should find some other activity that doesn't offend you and your grand kids can participate ie going to the local park."

I wont judge him on that comment...Ill let the rest of the ham radio world do it. My minds made up...how about dropping the cursing, then Ill take them to the park and bring the radio and set up station and see who might show interest in HAM RADIO. Ive done it before...get lots of people interested, they come over to the picnic table and see what we are doing. Next thing you know...they are testing.</span>

<span style='color:red'>*** THINK ABOUT THIS ***
As for Ham radio degrading into a CB, well I heard some operators talking one day, cursing, saying what they were going to do to people etc.... so I reached over and turned off the CB in my shack.... Only thing... I was still hearing it... It was coming from the Icom on 80m. I was shocked and disappointed.</span>
73 all
Mark
WL7LZ

[KC0NTI]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I sure hope that these kids are being tested fairly. I would hate to think that some parent was taking the test for their children

[k3sbd]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Sep. 23 2004,15:24)]It's absolutely appalling to find how many "reasonable" adults content themselves with such frivolous whining about having the right to decide what the rest of have every right to listen to without giving a moment's consideration to this fact.

Truth is, swearing, cussing and cursing does not lower a person by the choice of words they use, rather it is by the choice of words a person allows themselve not to use that shows how belittled they have become.

Offensive language, like any language, only has the power that one is willing to give it and has never done an individual or group any harm.

The political correctness that has run amok in today's society to such an extreme that we are now willing to hand over our ability to think to governmental institutions such as the FCC without so much as wondering what the consequences will be of this ... well, we all know what happened to the followers of Jim Jones in Guyana, the members of the Davidian cult and those of Heaven's Gate.

Are we so willing to let the FCC decide for us what we should see, hear and view only to complain about it later when we no longer can make these decisions for ourselves?

I, for one, am fully capable of deciding for myself what I will listen to on the amateur airwaves, on cable and network television as well as on broadcast radio.

There is no sympathy on my part for the rest of you sheep who feel the need to be told what to do to protect yourselves FROM yourselves ... so please give freely all of your worldly goods to me and I'll be sure they are invested wisely in a bank account of my own doing.

Thanks in advance for your generous donations, my flock of hapless sheep.

As for the rest of you, join me in swearing with pride!

Chuck, AA1MN
It is an attitude like this that makes it so many would be future Hams never get thier first call. I myself have only been a Ham since May 2004 and was eagerly awaiting my General Class and a new HF rig, and after reading this it makes me wonder if I want to experence life above 50Mhz.

While I understand that not ALL opperators have this unfortunate attitude if there is a high enough number of "proud" profanity using opperators hogging HF bands it makes opperators like myself rethink dropping below the VHF line.

I am fortunate that I have not heard ANY profanity on UHF/VHF in my area of opperation, and hope to keep it that way! I hope that any self respecting, law abiding, FCC fearing Ham that has passed the exams and is aware of the FCC Part 97 Regs. will police those who sware on the air. I find it offencive and will stand for my rights NOT to hear it.

73
KB3LCZ

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] ]It is an attitude like this that makes it so many would be future Hams never get their first call. I myself have only been a Ham since May 2004 and was eagerly awaiting my General Class and a new HF rig, and after reading this it makes me wonder if I want to experience life above 50Mhz.

While I understand that not ALL opperators have this unfortunate attitude if there is a high enough number of "proud" profanity using opperators hogging HF bands it makes opperators like myself rethink dropping below the VHF line. #
AAhh #HUH!!
See how other people see you guys? #Do you need a tree to fall on you before you see??
# #Now, read what this guy says, and maybe it will finally sink in. And take a,,,

# LONG GOOD LOOK at yourself, and realize it's not because something is wrong with me because that I see you this way!!! #The unbelievable part is you don't give a dang.

# # # And I can't believe that I should even HAVE to say anything to begin with. #It should be Evident!!
# # #And here this person comes out of the blue and #sums up everything in one fell swoof...

# KB3LCZ,,, You are welcome to join us on 7245. #Not every morning, but a lot of mornings we have a little round table, and it doesn't consist of anything like people like THIS! #So Call for me, and join a great bunch of guys.

[AA7BQ]

It seems like this topic has run its course. I'm closing it.

-fred