PSK31 Rant

[k5dvw]

I, like many of you have been enjoying PSK31. I'm also a relative newcomer to the mode (even wrote an article about it here QRZ). I've noticed something that really gets me ranting. I've noticed that some people are exceptionally proud of their setup, to the point that they don't think anything of sending you 5 minutes (no exaggeration, I timed one) of canned text describing every electronic thing in their shack, even when you didn't ask. This has happened to me many times, and frankly, I don't care that you're computer has an AMD 33 Mhz processor or that you have a 180m long wire and 10 other antennas and various radios you're not currently using when we're talking on 10m. I'm sure there are times and places to discuss such information and if it's a topic of discussion by all means let er rip, but folks, on a slow digital mode, simpler is always MUCH better. Something like "Radio is Icom 706 with long wire and 25W" is more than sufficient to convey the essence of your station without hogging bandwidth.

I like many folks these days, dont have a lot of time to operate. So when I get on the radio looking for a QSO, I'd rather actually engage the other station than have canned macros sent to me. I'm just funny that way. Now DX is another story, and even then, you'd be wise to keep your macros VERY short. Let's not develop bad habits on this fine new mode.

That's my rant. I will also say I've had some exceptionally pleasant QSO's with top notch people over PSK and I really enjoy the mode. But when someone launches their station brag file and it reads like a novel, I may not be there when you return it to me.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

K5DVW

[n6ajr]

I understand your point, but others like myself, I type with two fingers and poorly at that. I use several macro's that I have preset for use on the band such as a brag file (probably 200-300 characters) a QTH file with the town name and then "about half way between * & *" and so on so I can keep up the appearance of having a conversation and not typing practice. I was a Guide on AOL awhile back and used macro extensively and learned how to use them. I don have any that run 3 minutes but I have several different one to help me make a qso..I think that is why they put them there in the program. Have a little pitty fo us TYPOGRAPHICALLY DISADVANTAGED FOLKS. My biggest problem is due to an injury to my right hand from a couple years ago, but then I wasn't much of a touch typer before then either..10-12 wpm.. so please, kind sir, have pitty on us poor typers.. and you are right this is a good mode. thanks and remember, its not about radios , its about people who use them.. 73 tom N6AJR

[n6ajr]

I can't spell either... tom N6AJR http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KG6IRW]

I hear you. I've just started with PSK31, my first attempt at the chat-keyboard type of QSOs. I'm an ok typer and can keep up with the sending speeds of PSK31 but I can understand that those who feel their typing skills are not as well-exercised as their CW fist could feel intimidated. For those, I'm glad there are macros.

Until you pointed it out, I hadn't really though about macro length so I appreciate that it is important to be clear and to the point with the shack descriptions. I'm going to go back and look at a couple of macros where I could use less letters/words and still get the point across.

Thanks posting.

Cheers,

David/KG6IRW/AG

[WB3DSJ]

I agree, after only two weeks on psk (the best thing
since sliced bread) I have edited down my macros".
For yus guys what cant type try using a fill in the blank
macro such s "How's the wx there? Wx here is ___"
My two cents
73
Gary

[KB9YFI]

Anyone who can't type at 75 WPM should not be licensed to use the Internet or Amateur radio. #Heck, I could teach my dog to type that fast. It's easy! #Anyone can learn it in just a couple of days. #I guess you are too lazy to learn to type. #Keyboarding forever!!!!! #75WPM keyboard requirement would keep the lids out. blah, blah, blah, blah....


LOL

[kc5sdy]

Among other things, macros need to be used in moderation. #I can usually type a little faster than PSK is sending but the times when I seem to have nothing but fat thumbs for fingers, those macros sure come in handy. #It is a good thing to check your macros as you build them to make sure that they are not too long. #I like to keep mine under 30-45 seconds but, that is just so I can put in my 2 cents in here and there. #Plus, I have a problem with thinking of things to say realy quick so my QSO's end up being a little on the short side.

[n4lne]

I for one use macros to allow the qso to flow smoothly and I do make use of a brag macro. My macro contains station info, location info including a grid and qsl info.
The use of macros allows me to send one file and be done with it. I am a new general and have no claim to great knowledge, but if all operators would allow all other operators the freedom to do it the way they wish within the rules provided then complaints would stop. My way is my way and your way is yours, I plan to continue to do it my way and may you do the same.
N4LNE
Phil

[KA8FFM]

For united we stand, divided we fall...Just another nit picking, self orientated article designed to weaken the amateur brotherhood. Those are my blocks!!! Vince KA8FFM

[K6UEY]

Thank you for the post and interesting views on PSK-31. I am not presently on the mode but giving it thought and putting together the interface and antennas to give it a try. Due to these posts I may have to give it a little additional thought before putting a signal on the air. I was under the impression it was another of the many modes of Ham Radio,it would appear it is only and extension of the Internut and the Cyber World.
I am not a typist I use the 2 finger method of typing and until now it has been adequate to carry on a conversation on Packet,Ascii, and the old Baudot Teletype .I have never had any asperations of being a Secretary so typing skills have always held a low priority on the accomplishment list.
Maybe I should give SSTV or Real Time TV #another look they don't require Cyber World Skills.
# # 73, To all # ORV / K6UEY

semi-agree... BUT... I have found questions answered after viewing some of the brag files. For example, I once had a problem making the PCI128 sound card work correctly, and when I saw a brag file go by and it said that the fellow was using the SB PCI128 as a sound card, I waited until they signed and I called the guy... he answered by troubled question.
Perhaps this is the only example of why I sometimes like to read long files. Maybe a better way is to have two macros, brief and verbose.

Bob

[AF1S]

Hi All,

I too am new to the sport of PSK and am having some fun with it. And as the rest; I'm not much of a typist and the use of macros helps. I've trimmed them a bit over the last couple of days to accomodate our friends with attention deficit or a lack of patience.

It strikes me that the K5 that posted this wants to make "high 5's" and run. There certainly is nothing the matter with that but there are some of us that like to converse. And I can assure you in my qso I'm going to give you the rundown on the station. Now you can get that via a macro or you can sit for an additional 5 minutes as I hunt and peck. And hopefully from there, after learning each others setups, we can have a conversation based on that or whatever comes along. Most of us have a couple of extra minutes to spend. I'd suggest a different mode if time is that much of a factor.

Most importantly......this is a hobby. It's fun. It's a place where we need to be tolerant and enjoy the differences that people bring to the table. Speaking of table service; Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Best 73

[K2WH]

Geeezz!! #A ham with no time to listen to the other guy. #I thought PSK was a way out of the rat race of voice qso's with the "Ur 59, 73's" exchange.

Are you so presed for time that you cannot not look at text scroll onto the screen for 30 seconds? #Maybe you should get another hobby.

Oh as to the comment hogging bandwidth, just wait a minute. #PSK31 is very efficient with bandwidth. #One of the most efficient modes on amateur frequencies. #So hogging bandwidth is not an issue here.

If you don't want to or don't have the time to sit and watch, then turn the radio off. #And I thought I was a grump.

[WA4MJF]

Cool it, fellow hams, it is just a fancy update on
the "brag tapes" (real paper tapes) that have been
around for decades.


I guess it won't be long and all y'all on PSK will get
some "art".

So best, if you're new to FSK modes, just watch and learn.

73 de Ronnie

[KB9YFI]

I get a kick out of the numerous hams who are seriously lacking in the typing skills. #One of the above posters said that typing is a "cyber-skill" while another said that he was not interested in becoming a secretary so why pursue learning it? #This boggles my mind. #Typing is a real-world skill in today's marketplace and is becoming more and more a necessity. #

One other thing that I have noticed is that the CW die-hards are the ones least likely to be able to type. #Many of them are the ones who type in all caps too. #Code is MUCH harder to learn than typing. #If one had to make a choice between learning one or the other anyone who chose code would seriously need to reconsider their priorities. #Keyboard skills have taken me to where I am today and without them I would be working in a factory somewhere for $15/hour slaving my life away. #Being able to communicate via the Internet with clients, co-workers, upper management and staff is paramount to success. #

Good language skills and proper spelling, grammar and punctuation are a sign of education and intelligence. #Being able to beep out 3-letter Q-codes in incomplete sentences may be fun but will really not get you very far in the real world. #I may be way off-base but I think my priorities are better focused than anyone who spent years learning CW. #They spent their time learning only to talk to a fraction of the world's population at an extremely low speed and with minimal content (rag-chewing has a negative connotation.) # Learning how to communicate with the rest of the world at a faster pace and with meaningful content is more important. #CW has its place but priorities are priorities. #

I would suggest anyone to buy a cheap typing tutor program. #I have seen Mavis Beacon and others in the bargain-bins at the store for under $5. #They really help and are fun too. #One time a few years back when I was laid up and could not work I did some work with a software tutor tweaking my skills and was consistently breaking the 100WPM barrier as long as there were not too many of the uppercase numbers which really slow me down. #If only code came this easy I would consider putting the effort into trying once again but I don't feel that the payback -other than the HF privileges- would be worth it. #I'll just wait until the code requirement is dropped which will probably happen before I would be able to learn code anyway even if I were still trying hard.

Jim

P.S. #I wish there was some VHF/UHF PSK-31 activity in my area as I don't have HF privileges. #Packet is dead here. #There are some stations but all you hear are beacons. #Neat mode- nobody to talk to....

[WA4MJF]

All caps is how mills type. # So if you're a CW op,
the chances are you learned to type on #a mill.

So naturally when usin' another type of keyboard,
they would do "what comes naturally" as the song
goes.

For those new to ham radio, a mill is a typewriter
(manual or electric) or word processor that CW ops
use to receive msgs. #Some are only upper case and
a few are just regular ones with cap lock on.

Same-same for RTTY (RATT) users, their print is
all caps too.

I just think that it is very impolite for newbies
to be critical of OTs (AKA OFs) because of their
typin' style.

73 de Ronnie

[k0cba]

AMEN and AMEN!!!!! #We are all reading and sending stuff right here and no one is inclined to send a big load of silly canned stuff about the computer, the sound card, which wall plug is being used, etc. #Why then do it on PSK especially if not asked? #If your life is really incomplete without subjecting others to a gigantic 'brag file', how about a short one like "the computer is tan, it's hooked to a radio which is attached to an antenna....That's why I copy you and you copy me"....(for additional detailed information please SASE to callbook address).

[KB9YFI]

Typing in all caps is not a skill, it is an affiction. A computer is not a Mill. Every keyboard I have ever seen has a shift-lock button. The person who feels they need to make themselves heard above the rest will use all caps. It is over-deviation. Caps are harder to read and even those of us who read extremely fast have to slow down a couple hundred words per minute to read them. It's rude, loud and objectionable- Mill operator or not. Is CW sent in all caps? or all lower-case? It does not matter- it's really a function of whomever is copying it and writing it down. All caps on the 'net is like using 10 code on the ham bands. And you call ME a newbie. LOL

Back to macros on digital modes. If you are sending so much junk that people are not reading it isn't it just a one-way transmission? Same thing with beacons on packet. How is this legal and allowed?

Jim - KB9YFI (newbie)

[AF1S]

Well Boys,

I'm off to Staples to get a Mavis Bacon CD so I can lift myself from the dregs of society. God forbid that any of us would have a factory job for 15 bucks an hour and not have the oppurtunity to be articulate and dazzling to upper management via the LAN network at Corp. America Inc.

I'd just like to thank Jim for all his insight and his brilliant demonstration of social skills for righting all the ills in my life by pointing out how successful he is (and not to forget, an A-1 typist too!!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

We should all take this oppurtunity to thank him. Maybe when he gets his hf ticket he can expound further on psk31 and on what an all around great guy he is. It'll be a treat for us at the bottom of the social caste to receive such wisdom from Jim.

[G0FGC]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #I BET THAT TOOK A LONG TIME TO THINK UP
WHEN ON AIR DONT YOU TELL WHAT YOUR GEAR IS I
LIKE TO KNOW #ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE HAMS WHO
JUST GIVE 59 THEN YOU ARE ON TO THE NEXT CALL
HOW BORING JOHN G0FGC

[kb9umt]

Hello All:

Again this is someone's view and I would hope that it would not stop those interested in trying PSK31 to do just that.....give it a try! I can say that I have never seen that long of a station "brag" file that you had to time it....the letters in PSK can only be sent so fast and most people have a "brag" station list that goes more like this:
(example)

Station at KB9UMT:
rig: Yaesu 1000mp
20 watts
antennas: 40/80 wire, MQ-2 Minibeam
A99 vertical
Software: Digipan
(some list computer too)
Grid: EN50DP
QSL: direct, www.eQSL.cc
email: kb9umt@arrl.net

That is usually it.....very simple for 98% of them....and I think the information is great......good to know the Grid, nice to know how to QSL to them.....and with the Internet one can QSL or email quick!

I really think this again is just an observation that there are long winded Hams....I have listened many times on voice and most have to ID (that means they have been talking for 10 minutes!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif before they hand it back.....not a problem...but if the conversation is not what you wanted then there are many more to be had....you just move on!!

PSK is a great mode!!! Have fun !!!

73 de kb9umt Don Peoria IL

[g7cqh]

oh dear
look at it this way on the bands there is a lot of rubber stamped QSO's and if thats what you want then fine

or you can engage the other person operating the equipment with some dialog rather than a monolog of what your set up is like ect

I tend to start with the macro button to say hello im here and if there seems to be some life at the other end resort to using the keys

life would be much better if we just got on with our hobby and enjoyed it rather than complain and winge about what the other guy is or is not doing

so if you don't like it don't do ot and if you don't care enjoy yourself and have a happy and long life
best wishes to all
M3CQH/G7CQH

[ag4hy]

Question! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
do you mean to tell me that the hobby "amateur radio" that i sweated about every single equasion, every question on the test and studying morris code and all that work is for a high five from some one on dx and a bogus 5/9 qrz and now this . is all that hams do, run the other fellow down, for his (as perceived by you) lack of skill at something or other, spelling, morris code or lack of or care about it, typing, and now the way the other person operates psk,is this All there to ham radio? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif from these web pages and now e-ham; it sure looks like that's all there is to it. no i don't do contest, nor dx, as no one seems to be able to do more than; (shades of cb) what's your handle? what's i'm puttin on ya? what's your qth? what's your call sign? qsl via bereau is ok qrzed? that is talking around the world ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
everybody is in a heck of a big hurry to go nowhere and do nothing. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
doesn't any one have the priveledge to have? fun and without someone on his/her back work a mode like he/she sees fit , with-in the rules? maybe it's just me or am i out-dated? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
these endless debates http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif code versus no-code, dode versus phone. all fluff and phiffle. seems to be some trying to run people off the frequencies and help loose our bands to the industrialist, and they would surely appreciate them. take a look at what SAVI is trying yo do to 70 cm or 440 MHz which ever you like to refer to it...
sori i have, been so long winded but i'm about to give up on it because of these two web sites..
ag4hy

[w0sdg]

While I agree that there is some overkill to station descriptions and how big and fast ones computer is, I still like to see what the other person is using. I think sticking to the basics is probably best but that should be defined as well. My preferance would be

RIG with power out
ANT
Computer
Interface
Software.

I have been running PSK since early 1999 and that has been kinda the standard exchange. What you send would be your choice but be prepared to continue to get extravagent descriptions as that is the choice of the op. Just ignore what you don't care about and let him empty his macro buffer, hi hi.. I don't think it is anything to make or break this mode..

Steve - W0SDG
Apple Valley MN

[ks1u]

A several #minute macro on the station probably is unreasonable, however, I've been using the mode for about a year now and have never received any canned brags of that duration. #I'm #glad to hear of your concerns, and most of the responses seem to indicate that there is an awarenss of saying too much about relatively unimportant items. #The flip side of your concern though is the "Hello, my name is... and qth... thanks for the qso-73" contact. #In one of my macros I describe my station in about 40 seconds and indicate that my Warbler is driving a 30 watt class A amp that I designed and built. #I'm sure some people couldn't care less about the amp, but the few that did asked a lot of additional questions which led to some long satisfying qso's. #To many of us, the speed of some card is probably boring, but to another it could be a way cool thing to know. #I think the most valid point you make is to keep transmmissions resonably short. #If the other station doesn't ask you about the stuff you sent, he/she is probably not interested in, or unable to inquire further.
As in most other modes, it's fairly easy to know if the other station(s) want more information or less. #Good amateur practice and common couurtesy should dictate the course of any contact.

I enjoy PSK31 as a means of communication.
Communication is the POINT of any contact with
another being. #Whether it concerns the weather
or the motherboard of a computer, it is communication.
Perhaps we in the US should consider that we are
not ALWAYS in the factory of capitalism -- and relax.
Just relax and enjoy communication. #The minute we
start setting limits on communication we begin to
wane in learning. #Just listen, and relax for a bit.
If you have no time to listen, then don't talk either.
Peace and Goodwill.

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YFI @ Feb. 23 2002,09:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I may be way off-base but I think my priorities are better focused than anyone who spent years learning CW. #They spent their time learning only to talk to a fraction of the world's population at an extremely low speed and with minimal content (rag-chewing has a negative connotation.) # Learning how to communicate with the rest of the world at a faster pace and with meaningful content is more important. #CW has its place but priorities are priorities... #

If only code came this easy I would consider putting the effort into trying once again but I don't feel that the payback -other than the HF privileges- would be worth it. #I'll just wait until the code requirement is dropped which will probably happen before I would be able to learn code anyway even if I were still trying hard.

Jim

P.S. #I wish there was some VHF/UHF PSK-31 activity in my area as I don't have HF privileges. #Packet is dead here. #There are some stations but all you hear are beacons. #Neat mode- nobody to talk to....

[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Well, there ya go...

Now, maybe you could take a little of your own advice.
Helping someone to learn to type by suggesting various piecesof software was a great idea! So, I'm gonna pick up the ball and run with it.

Get "Code Quick".

You'll have the code down in 2 days.

Then, like so many other lazy people, you won't have to wait for the FCC to drop code and just hand out Extra Tickets to people who know how to use a PTT button.

As for me, I can hardly wait for the FAA to drop the license requirements for flying commercial airliners.

I've never had one accident flying my Stuka Dive Bomber R/C around the back yard. The transition should be seamless.


73, Jim - kc2jca, LLC (Long Live Code)

[VE6BUD]

What I see here Gentlemen is just another case of netiquette.

You see, I've been online since 1986, which means that I comprise
less than 3 percent of the online population on the planet who has
been online for that long.

At one point in time, if one didn't follow a proper procedure for
sending E-mails and the like, they would be told to read a Netiquette
FAQ or have one uploaded to them.

A good computer operator was supposed to know netiquette or else they'd end up
getting flamed off the BBS (Bulletin Board System) that they were using.

With millions of people on the internet today, Especially AOL'ers in particular,
they are never taught Netiquette. In fact, I bet none of you have ever seen the
guide that I cut my teeth on. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As a result, you have many ignorant people on the
net who just simply can't understand or grasp even the most basic concepts of
operating a computer. (Such as, not quoting an entire E-mail message just to add a
"Me too!" at the end of it. Not to say that has happened here, I'm just using that
as an example. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

When I first got into computers, when you turned the power switch on, all you got
was a "Ready." prompt. That was it. No fancy windows. No mouse pointer, just a
screen with a few words on it. HAM Radio has gone exactly the same way. It's gone
from being a hobby where you had to homebrew your CW transmitter and maybe your
reciever, to something where all you need is to buy a box, plug in a 12 volt PSU and
bingo, push-to-talk.

What does all that mean? It means that computers and HAM radios have become
much easier to use than they used to be, which means that more people can use
them. (OK, so we could argue that todays rigs have 4000 new functions that the
old rigs never had, but that's beside the point.)

HAM Radio has a particular operating procedure that one follows and a common-sense
on-air courtesy (I'm Canadian, I can work CW on the Phone part of the band,
or Phone on the CW part of the band legally, yet I don't.) that's filled with all kinds of
unwritten rules.

Believe it or not, computers are precisely the same way. If I had things my way,
people would have to get an exam and obtain a license in order to be able to be
qualified to use a computer system because just as a radio can be dangerous in the
hands of an unskilled and untrained user, so can a computer. (Dangerous in that
some poor tech support guy will commit suicide at his desk after the call! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

(I worked as a Technical Support Rep for an ISP here in Calgary for a while. I know
for a fact that some people just should not own computer systems and should be
relegated to using old IBM Selectric typewriters until they can sit down and read the
manuals just like I had to.)
Now if you guys really want to argue about the whole touch typing thing, I'll put it this way
since I'm already on this topic. Learning how to touch type relates to a computer in
the same way that CW relates to Ham radio. Nobody said you had to learn touch
typing to use a rig and nobody said you had to learn CW to use a computer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
However, I'm sure that learning both would certainly help! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I could air my views on CW here but I don't want to cause a flamewar. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I'll do
that whenever the next CW/Anti-CW rant comes up. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

My closing argument is this...

Netiquette dictates that an E-Mail signature should not be longer than 8 lines.
This is common sense amongst older computer users but not really known amongst
newer computer users. How are you supposed to know this? Well, you don't. You
learn it from other, older operators. Back in the days of 300, 1200 and 2400 Baud
modems there was a very good reason for this, not so much today but it's still
applied anyway out of courtesy for other people.

Netiquette can apply to HAM Radio in exactly the same way. What it means is
courtesy for other operators and consideration for their time and patience. If
someone does not want to have a 4-hour long ragchew with me on CW at 5
words per minute, I completely understand. If they want me to speed up, I'll
speed up. That's what this hobby is all about!
Be helpfull, be honest, be blunt and be considerate. I found my future wife
that way. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (af1s @ Feb. 23 2002,07:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well Boys,

I'm off to Staples to get a Mavis Bacon CD so I can lift myself from the dregs of society. God forbid that any of us would have a factory job for 15 bucks an hour and not have the oppurtunity to be articulate and dazzling to upper management via the LAN network at Corp. America Inc.

I'd just like to thank Jim for all his insight and his brilliant demonstration of social skills for righting all the ills in my life by pointing out how successful he is (and not to forget, an A-1 typist too!!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

We should all take this oppurtunity to thank him. Maybe when he gets his hf ticket he can expound further on psk31 and on what an all around great guy he is. It'll be a treat for us at the bottom of the social caste to receive such wisdom from Jim.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
OM's:

I think ya'all need to take a step back and look at this for one minute...

He's not saying anything about typing that CW ops haven't said about keying CW, newbies, and the new "Extra Light"s (of which I am one) not being fast with a key.

Let's face it, it goes both ways. I don't work alot of CW (I'm Dyslexic), but I type close to 70 words per minute. I'm usually waiting two to three minutes for WinPSKse to finish sending what I've typed once I'm done typing.

I don't make CW ops wait for my mixing of the dits and dahs, and if I feel that I need CW practice, all I need to do is call up a local friend, and we'll do it on 2M. No sense in making all the speed demons out there wait for me on 20 or 40 meters.. Perhaps a little respect in the other direction is in order?

Just my two cents.

[KB9YFI]

AB8LR- That is exactly my point here. It's about time somebody figured that out.

VE6BUD- I still have a 386 but I sold my 286 a few years ago. I was on the internet way before Algore invented it. BBS's and USENET before that. IRC was a hoot in the day.

KC2JCA- Code quick might not help much. I can't hear the difference much between the dits and dahs even at 5WPM without farnsworth spacing. When I go for my hearning aid I'm going to see about getting a note.

A thought- Maybe the CW test can have alternatives. Like if you can type 75WPM instead or build a tranceiver from components on a breadboard and make a QSO in front of a VE. I hate CW. I will never use it even if I learn it. It sux. It hurts my head trying to hear it. It's slow. If forced to finally learn it I will do my best to clear my memory of it after I get past the test even if I have to go to a hypnotist to have it burned from my memory. CODE SUX.

[k5dvw]

It's interesting how some narrow minded people jump to personal conclusions about you when you post something on here. Not real nice!

Just to clear the air, I'm both a DXer, and a ragchewer. I find nothing more pleasant than chatting on the radio with someone interesting, however, I dont think 5 minutes worth of brag file describing every electrical appliance in your shack and every antenna you have in the air is a conversation. Afterall in general conversation does it REALLY matter what kind of PC you have, how much memory or hard drive capacity it has, or what kind of software you're running? I don't really think it does matter unless you're comparing notes with someone and they ask.

The point to my article, which it seems that a lot of you PSKers understood, is that with slow digital modes, sometimes concise is much better. Think CW here! Would you send the same amount of info on CW?

Heck, I even have a brag file macro (It's two lines long), and even have a spanish language canned QSO for DX. I'm obviously not against macros. If you want to brag about your station, excellent and by all means do it, but just be sure the guy on the other end wants that information before you bore him with 5 minutes of text dump. "The toaster on this end is a Sunbeam, dual slot, spring action using 120 Vac, 60Hz which comes from the power plant down the road thru a 10Kvar transformer in the back yard..."

And I still stand by my comment that PSK is one of the neatest modes around. Even with my ranting, I still enjoy it and work it every chance I get.

Thanks to all for the comments

K5DVW

[k8cpa]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k5dvw @ Feb. 21 2002,08:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I, like many of you have been enjoying PSK31. I'm also a relative newcomer to the mode (even wrote an article about it here QRZ). I've noticed something that really gets me ranting. I've noticed that some people are exceptionally proud of their setup, to the point that they don't think anything of sending you 5 minutes (no exaggeration, I timed one) of canned text describing every electronic thing in their shack, even when you didn't ask. This has happened to me many times, and frankly, I don't care that you're computer has an AMD 33 Mhz processor or that you have a 180m long wire and 10 other antennas and various radios you're not currently using when we're talking on 10m. I'm sure there are times and places to discuss such information and if it's a topic of discussion by all means let er rip, but folks, on a slow digital mode, simpler is always MUCH better. Something like "Radio is Icom 706 with long wire and 25W" is more than sufficient to convey the essence of your station without hogging bandwidth.

I like many folks these days, dont have a lot of time to operate. So when I get on the radio looking for a QSO, I'd rather actually engage the other station than have canned macros sent to me. I'm just funny that way. Now DX is another story, and even then, you'd be wise to keep your macros VERY short. Let's not develop bad habits on this fine new mode.

That's my rant. I will also say I've had some exceptionally pleasant QSO's with top notch people over PSK and I really enjoy the mode. But when someone launches their station brag file and it reads like a novel, I may not be there when you return it to me.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

K5DVW[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think YOU need to quit your stinking Whining... if you don't like what you see, go get another damn hobby. I hppen to like my set up and I enjoy sharing it with other people... if you don't like it, spin the knob or find another hobby.

73

-Chuck K8CPA

[kc9aic]

Some people say they have problems typing. I wonder if anyone has thought of a utility that allows you to enter text into your computer with a code key. The people who aren't so great with typing are often the more advanced in years, who often can send code well because of a lot of practice. These people could use their keys to imput instead of a keyboard.

Just an idea.

Well as usual, I find what I need to know in QRZ forums!

I was thinking about trying PSK31............

Then I waded through 4 pages of postings ( some in excess of 600 words ) griping about long postings............................

I will still try it but with much less guilt about delay.
( gotta brush on my typing )


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif 73 de Craig...........KC0GOA http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KG4OWA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8cpa @ Feb. 24 2002,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think YOU need to quit your stinking Whining... if you don't like what you see, go get another damn hobby. I hppen to like my set up and I enjoy sharing it with other people... if you don't like it, spin the knob or find another hobby.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well then, Chuck, that's very interesting. See if this relates at all:

"I think YOU need to quit your stinking whining... if you dont like my religion, you can just go find another damn place to live. I happen to like my religion and I enjoy forcing it upon other people... if you dont like it, build a boat and sail to some other country"

Sound familiar? Have your own way of doing things if you want, but dont cram it down other people's throats, they're likely to sick up all over you.

Ian, KG4OWA

[kg6jyw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Less is best...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

[w0qt]

Back to the original rant: my comments:

I like hearing (reading) about people's rigs, computers, antenni, programs, etc., even down to the 233 MHz processo or whatever.

What bugs me is people who come in over my QSO, people who don't look and wait a bit to see if the particular spot on the freq. is being used. This wasn't a problem at first but became a problem, or at least I first noticed it, a little less than a year ago when PSK31 became wildly popular. Sometimes people overmodulate their radios and splatter themselves across several QSOs, so that several are kicked right out of their QSOs.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Orcy WØQT http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[k5dvw]

w0qt you bring up a very interesting point. Several times I've seen operators with signals which are too wide. My solution has been to wait till the QSO is over and call the guy, quote him his measured IMD and let him know nicely that he might think about checking his TX audio drive level. I've done this a few times and have found that the operator usually is very receptive to doing it right and actually doesnt know he's causing a problem (of course he can't see it). I'll even hang around for an on air test while he adjusts. That's one part about our hobby that I like.

Now people like k8cpa, they are just mean angry people and don't have anything nice or intelligent to say about anything or anyone. I can just do without those types on the radio or otherwise.

DVW

[w8jjw]

Hey Folks..I read the poor guy as asking for moderation!
Macro's are a wonderful thing, we all use them; do we need a life history macro..I doubt it. If you wouldn't share the info on CW, why do it on PSK?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Enjoy the hobby...73's John

[rs181414]

Hi all

I have just passed my uk amateur radio foundation course this week end and when i start getting on the air PSK31 is the first thing to try http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif as its a great ham radio mode.

typing speed does not matter http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif its only a hobbie just have fun

Peter

[w0fm]

Oh no...he couldn't mean ME! Thanks for the eye-opener. I just went back and reduced my "brag" macro to the very basics: Radio, power and antenna! Gone are the OS and the processor speed, the RAM, the hard drive capacity, logging program and the sound card capabilities. You're right on the money. Who cares if my computer has a 300W power supply? It's really the radio, the TX power and the antenna that make a difference on the "other end" of the QSO.

Hopefully, I won't be boring anyone again!

(Oh, and by the way, the shack chair is by "Flexomatic" with imitation black leather armrests and 8-way adjustments. And, my printer paper is stock Hewlett-Packard 95 pound white.)

73,
Terry, WØFM

[KD4DCY]

Many people put a great deal of hard work into integrating a combination of computer, software, rig, interface, cabling, and knowledge in order to create their ideal PSK station. I feel that if you don't have time to read about that, even if it takes three or four minutes, then I'm not sure why you're on ham radio. Unless you're contesting or have some other reason to get a QSO over with quickly, what's your hurry?

[KD7LWL]

All the posts are interesting - except the one about not being allowed to use the internet or ham radio if you can't type at 75 wpm. Nothing more need be said...

[N5JO]

"Brevity is the soul of wit."

----W.Shakespeare

....when speaking of Brag Files.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7LWL @ Feb. 26 2002,05:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All the posts are interesting - except the one about not being allowed to use the internet or ham radio if you can't type at 75 wpm. Nothing more need be said...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, alot needs to be said..

The Pro CW-nuts have, in the past, and even in this thread, inferred that those who don't work CW, or who can't key 20 WPM, are less than HAMs. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Now that the shoe has been placed on the other foot re: PSK and typing skill, the CW ops don't like it.

I guess, to some people, "Do unto others..." only applies to everyone else. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Don't get me wrong, I think CW has its place, and should continue to be part of amateur radio.. I just don't want it shoved down my throat.

de AB8LR, Chris

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YFI @ Feb. 22 2002,20:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone who can't type at 75 WPM should not be licensed to use the Internet or Amateur radio. #Heck, I could teach my dog to type that fast. It's easy! #Anyone can learn it in just a couple of days. #I guess you are too lazy to learn to type. #Keyboarding forever!!!!! #75WPM keyboard requirement would keep the lids out. blah, blah, blah, blah....


LOL[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Good one! Macros are for cheaters!

[k8cpa]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4OWA @ Feb. 24 2002,09:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8cpa @ Feb. 24 2002,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think YOU need to quit your stinking Whining... if you don't like what you see, go get another damn hobby. I hppen to like my set up and I enjoy sharing it with other people... if you don't like it, spin the knob or find another hobby.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well then, Chuck, that's very interesting. #See if this relates at all:

"I think YOU need to quit your stinking whining... if you dont like my religion, you can just go find another damn place to live. #I happen to like my religion and I enjoy forcing it upon other people... if you dont like it, build a boat and sail to some other country"

Sound familiar? #Have your own way of doing things if you want, but dont cram it down other people's throats, they're likely to sick up all over you.

Ian, KG4OWA[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, Ian, I hated to post that. But It just seems to me, if I want to include *ALL* my station information, it should be my business. That is the primary reason I only really work DX anymore... I'm just sick of people preaching at me to not put my station info in my macro's... But usually the same person's waterfall is so wide you can see about 20 of them on the waterfall... and they're IMD is like -2 or so... and they're running 100watts into to 11 element beam and can't figure out why nobody is coming back to them... just so happens I've been running PSK31 for OVER a year and a half and I've been running my macro's for over a year and people seem to enjoy knowing what I run...

73 and Good DX!

-Chuck K8CPA

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[VE3OZ]

Well - I agree and disagree. #Rarely do I use macros...I find PSK31 to be a very relaxing mode and I will "chat" regarding my set up as I treat a PSK31 QSO the same way I would treat any type of conversation. #If someone sends a "brag" file, I'll simply read it, if it starts to drag, I'll enter the QSO data in my (paper) log, look at the big wide splattery signal somewhere else on frequency (a neat thing that you can do with WINPSKse), pat the dog or scratch what ever itches while I'm waiting for it to finish. When it's turned back to me, I'll thank them for the info and proceed on with the QSO. Bear in mind that many PSK op's from overseas do not have a firm grasp of English, so they program their macros and fire them out, then thank you for the contact.

Remember it's hobby, have fun, and help others enjoy as well.

[W9JCM]

You people just love to whine about something don't you? Macros whats that I will type it all out to you. I dont have a problem with it. And you know what if you dont like it then don't answer my calls. What is your rush? Jesus christ. This has to be the most waste of space i have seen lately on here. Get a life you guys. If you dont have the time to listen to what a guy has in his shack then pull the plug. Sounds like its hello give me a qsl card goodbye. If you want fast contacts then get in a contest.

[KG4OWA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8cpa @ Feb. 26 2002,18:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, Ian, I hated to post that. But It just seems to me, if I want to include *ALL* my station information, it should be my business. That is the primary reason I only really work DX anymore... I'm just sick of people preaching at me to not put my station info in my macro's... But usually the same person's waterfall is so wide you can see about 20 of them on the waterfall... and they're IMD is like -2 or so... and they're running 100watts into to 11 element beam and can't figure out why nobody is coming back to them... just so happens I've been running PSK31 for OVER a year and a half and I've been running my macro's for over a year and people seem to enjoy knowing what I run...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Chuck,

That's much more reasonable. Personally I tend to think that a basic listing is sufficient, and people will ask if they want more information. Basically, I just think your delivery was a bit harsh in your previous post...

These folks that have such a nasty spectrum - are you telling them that? Likely they dont even know that they're overdeviated, and would be happy to back off the audio drive to have a reasonable QSO with you... remember: you can't tell what you're putting on the air... (I know, I know, you could use a spectrum analyzer. Have you priced them lately? They're not cheap!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

73, Ian N4ML ex KG4OWA

[w8vom]

Rant is right! #I like to hear about the other Op's equiment and his interests. Only on rare occasions do I find people who run too long with their station information. I do not find this to be a great issue,listen to the blow hards in their ssb net's! I am also tired of the hit and run qso's. Dont want to communicate? Try contesting! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif At 50 wpm how long can most brag files take on PSK 31? 30-45 secs. Relax and enjoy the qso!

[n6ssq]

... K5DVW de N6SSQ ...
Although you didn't leave a name,I basically agree about the monster macros. A QSO is a conversation between two operators. I like you perfer the personal touch. I actually had a ham on RTTY tell me right out that he was not interested in what equipment I had, as long as it worked. That was in the late 80's and I have kept that as reminder that not everyone cares about equipment... just happy that it works and you can have a QSO.
Like you, I have had HUGE macro's dumped on me. I don't know why, but no one seems to ask the question, "Are you interested in my equipment list?" or words to that effect? I have never had a ham ask me that. I wish they would. I have asked "not to be sent the deadly brag file" and have never been rebuffed for it. Trouble there is, they dump it before asking for a RST or even get your name...
One thing that seems to slip peoples minds here, the typing speed argument/comments... PSK31 or any of the digital keyboard modes are not a speed race.. we used to call RTTY the "gentlemens mode" simply because no one was ever in a hurry, the RTTY just diddled while they thought or put their words to keyboard/screen.
My suggestion is, if you make contact, tell the other ham you are really not interested in his equipment but more what he does for a living, how long has he been a ham, are the rest of his family hams, does he trout fish with worms or flies? haw.. haw.. A QSO built around a list of equipment isn't much of a QSO..
For those who are not fast typers, who cares?? Has anyone ever bad-mouthed you for being toooooo slooow?
I don't think so..
Keep the peace.. keep the macro's to what you are using at that time and mode.. keep the speed of the computer a secret, I mean... who really cares about that?
73's troops Semper Fi
de Fergy N6SSQ

[km6xu]

k6dvw, I appreciate your insight. #I'm just getting started, but your "rant" made me realize that in many ways, PSK31 is just like other modes: Nobody likes the guy who always times out the repeater! #My only macro will be the CQ, just as it is in my keyer.

I have enjoyed watching the QSOs go by, especially those of the foreign operators in other languages; this has been a real learning experience. #Their "brag files" seem to be a lot shorter than those of us Americans. #Hmmm... what does that tell you? #=:-O

Thanks for the nice reminder -- mark@km6xu.com

***** Mark Walsh ***** http://www.km6xu.com *****

[k5dvw]

Wow! I never thought my initial post would cause such a stir. You'd think I drug up the CW debate again!

Anyhow, thanks to all who have posted and given their comments.

It's funny how some people read a post and totally misinterpret the meaning. I'd just like to add that I never said macros were bad, I never said station information was bad, I never said slow typists were bad, all I was asking for was a little moderation in station brag files. Geesh! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I love ragchewing on PSK, and yes I am a very fast typist. So what! I've had countless QSOs on PSK without even exchanging one bit of station data. I'm sure most of you have. These were some of the best QSO's because I got to know who I was talking to on the other end, this is what hamming is all about. I have plenty of patience for this and will wait for a slow typist without any complaints, but if you send me a 5 minute canned macro brag file in answer to my CQ, I'm gone!

Happy PSKing

Darrin
K5DVW

[w8vom]

Yes, 5 minutes is much too long! I dont mind a minute or so of station info and a little about the person on the other end. I have received some of these epic station macros and they are a pain!

[N7XB]

Here's my take on two issues raised here:

1. Macros (especially the excessive length of some brag files); and . . .

2. TYPING IN UPPER CASE ON PSK

1. Re: macros, k5dvw reiterated that his chief complaint is with the excessive length of some brag files, especially when not requested. I agree.

But macros serve a very important function in psk. First, assuming you created the macro with the correct text, macros guard against typing errors when transmitting critical data like call, name and qth - especially when band conditions are poor. Remember - psk is not error correcting.

2. Re: UPPER CASE ON PSK, besides being considered poor etiquette by the Internet generation (sorry, RTTY om's . . .) there is a technical reason why one should limit upper case in psk. The software algorithm is designed to decode lower case letters better than upper case letters. The specifics of this were outlined in a well-written article in QST.

Many experienced psk ops know this, especially dx's, who will send most, if not all tx in lower case. For signals that are 85%-100% copy, psk works fine using a "normal" blend of typing with a combination of upper and lower case (proper names, cities, states, etc.).

73 es fb psk de Bruce, N7XB

How intertaining.... I agree that some of the BRAGS are a bit long but I see a lot of folks complaining about not being able to type....

First it was CW that they couldn't learn and now it is TYPING !!!

I guess we need to have a 5WPM typing requirement to get a license next !!

If K5DVW actually timed a brag file at 5 minutes, well, he's right. That IS excessive. How that could branch into tirades on 75 wpm typing and Mavis Bacon is beyond me --- maybe those guys didn't read the original post.

5 minutes is a LONG time! Doubt it? Stare at the clock for the next 5 minutes. It's an eternity.

Do you blissfully key down and monolog for 5 minutes on phone? Maybe on a 75M net, but otherwise, not likely.

Do you send 5 minutes of straight 30 wpm CW (remember, there's a guy here advocating 75 wpm keyboard!)? Not without carpal tunnel.

Do you do ANYTHING for 5 minutes on 10 meters? Hey! The band will have shifted by then!

The issue isn't how fast we do anything. It's whether or not we have anything interesting enough to fill up 5 straight minutes in brag file format. Hate to say it, but most people don't.

On PSK, name, qth, rst, basic station and antennas take about 45 seconds. To go 5 minutes I'd have to get into the QRP rig on my lawn mower that can still work Siam (even tho' the country hasn't existed for most of my lifetime).

You just can't argue this --- anything that's in a brag file should be relavant to EVERYONE you might contact. Your grandkids, your Buick, the new roof and the grumpy neighbor don't belong there.

Beyond that, we wing it!

And you all know what Dennis Miller says...

[zl2aub]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #Hello from down under boy the lad at begining started something. I #sure agree that it is irrelavant http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #to put in the computer details rig power and ant should be ok as I do myself, not a typist but have got better in last year that i have been on digi modes.... see you on 10/20/15 #when going gets tough swap modes to qpsk or mfsk16 works great for me !! cheers lads see you in the soup # DE Pete

[rbeaman]

I just got into PSK31 last week and am having a ball. #My only other experience in digital modes of communication were with RTTY, Packet, and Amtor using an old AEA PK64 and a Commodore 64 computer. #I would say that PSK31 is so much better than the old modes. #I don't know why I didn't get into PSK31 earlier. #I am making contacts all over the world with just 10 to 50 watts into my Cushcraft MA5B mini-beam. #P.S. Does anyone want to buy my old AEA PK64 and Commodore computer...it is going cheap.

[KB9YFI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NW7U @ Mar. 02 2002,20:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If K5DVW actually timed a brag file at 5 minutes, well, he's right. #That IS excessive. #How that could branch into tirades on 75 wpm typing and Mavis Bacon is beyond me --- maybe those guys didn't read the original post.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Maybe someone should take a beginning logic class. The subject was macros and the excessive use of them. The reason they are used excessivly by many is a lack of typing skills and sometimes a lack of fluency in the language being typed. I won't go into illiteracy so we can assume spelling and grammar are not the problem. If it is then go back to high school and learn to write before you learn to type.

On the internet people who use/abuse macros in chat rooms are called scollers. They are despised by most everyone as they just fill up the bandwidth with worthless gobblygook that nobody reads. In amateur radio the same thing happens and bandwidth is even more valuable. Why should we just look the other way when someone sends these one-way transmissions about what kind of computer they have, The OS release, the brand of the monitor and what position their computer chair is in relation to the magnetic north pole?

It's a shame that some just have a buch of macros that they use to keep the conversation going because they can't type faster than the Christopher Columbus method (find it- then land on it.)

I used the 75WPM example to illustrate the absurdity of CW die-hards that insist that no and slow coders are somehow sub-human illiterate lids that should be run off the amateur bands. In my experience these OF's are the ones who usually have the most resistance to learning how to type. Why should CW be given more importance than the ability to use other digital modes? If they have a CW test then they should have a typing test and a speaking test. It's just absurd.

CW has outlived its usefullness as a 'manditory' mode and skill for HF. If one must decide whether to learn CW or typing anyone who thinks that CW is more important really needs to have their priorities re-examined. One is a flaming hoop that is ruining a once-thriving hobby. The other is a real-world skill that every day becomes more important. 100 years from now keyboards will probably look the same as they do now. CW will be dead, buried and forgotten. 20 years may yield the same result.

Learn to type. Don't use macros as a crutch. Don't send one-way broadcasts about silly stuff that people are not even reading. If you do use macros- use them as they were meant to- short and sweet shortcuts for the little stuff that you don't want to have to type over each time you have a new contact.

[WA4MJF]

Ya know, I don't know where you get your information.

But the OF CW ops you refer too, learned to copy on a mill
(special upper case typewriter). #The older guys manuals,
us younger guys IBM Selectrics with a special "mill"
ball.

When you sprout off about about stuff that you
don't know beans about, you reveal your ignorance.


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73 de Ronnie

[WA4MJF]

Well, my, my, then how come you said we OFs
can't type then, if you knew that we could.

You're not from around here, so that is probably why you can't undertand how we talk.

I have a hard time understandin' yankees at times, too.

73 de Ronnie

[wp4mpv]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Hi, please how can I construct or buy the cable to psk31 for icom 746

carlosjpr1@hotmail.com

[k0206]

OK. It seems that we are having a mini war between CW ops and cyber freaks. psk31 is not cyber. For some reason, some folks think that anything connected to a computer is cyber? To the vhf/uhf 'r who cant stand code and is concerned about no psk31 activity in his area, I say: Get your up-grade like the rest of us, and then learn how to operate correctly on HF. Then, you will have plenty of activity. When power fails, the internet crashes, your computer blows up, or your hard drive is sick with a virus, I will be on non-cyber CW. A natural disaster, or even 911-cyber space was non-existant, useless and forgotten. Dont get me wrong, I use cyber space all the time, for my work and pleasure, but, I get so alarmed that so many of us rely on it for our existance when it is so unreliable-yours truly is one. I feel that psk is great, no matter how much you send. If its agreeable to both parties, then type or macro on. It is supposed to be fun. PLEASE folks, lets not make psk what HF is becoming-a group of imature non experienced, bad mouthed, clicky, CB operators. I am on PSK because of those reasons. I only operate CW for DX. That still is fun to me. OK, I feel better now..Thanks

[K3LT]

The comments about PSK-31 are interesting, but not surprising.
The "problem" seems to be the fact that a lot of hams are just
as typing-challenged as they are CW-challenged. #And, once
again, it boils down to an unwillingness to apply themselves to
learning a useful communications skill. #We live in an age where
we are going to be more dependent on computers, so therefore
it makes sense to gain the skill needed to communicate
effectively and efficiently with them, and through them. #Voice
recognition software will not replace keyboarding in the lifetime
of anyone who is a ham now, or so I'm told. #Considering that
most people can learn to type up to 40 WPM in a matter of
weeks (and I did it on a manual Royal 440 typewriter!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, there
is no excuse other than sheer laziness -- which was the same
thing that kept people out of HF in the days of the 13 WPM
code testing requirement for a General-class license. #So come
off it, guys, and quit griping about your poor typing skills, and
go ahead and do something about it! #Remember the old
saying, "If you think you can, or you think you can't, you're
right either way."

[hakuna]

I'm not a ham yet, but I'm helping my buddy (elmer?) set up psk31 for his rig. I'm also a network admin and computer everything guy that types 96wpm (last time one of my students had me play on a test program). At work I have several dozen computers and broadband connections there and at home.

The only reason I say this is that I had no idea there was a CW/no-CW war and one of the previous posters who is a computer guy seemed to state that CW "OT"'s were the recalcitrant ones.

CW has me working my butt off. I'm using the Koch method and trying to learn at 13wpm from the get-go. I'm not doing it because I have to, obviously, but to me the difficulty of the skill is what makes it a fun goal to try and achieve. If I decide to play with PSK31 I'll certainly try to be patient with slow typists because there are going to have be some patient CW guys when I get on the air! If OT hams are willing to do a CW QSO with a 5wpm guy (and from my understanding there are many that do) then 30 extra seconds of reading because someone uses a macro doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice...

Gary

[KB8ANY]

This is not new with PSK31. When I was first licensed computer CW was becoming fashionable. One op sent me 30+ minutes worth of (stored) text complete with the required id's every 10 mins. I know because in the interim I worked another station then came back to the computer guy just in time to catch him turning it back over to me. (I didn't answer.) 73. Paul

[w0pml]

I have been on PSK since life was breathed into it by the QST article, several years ago. #It is a great mode and I have always enjoyed it as a refuge when contests come on.

Personally, I have worked enough DX, (for signal report exchanges), been DX, never liked contests. #Contacts for signal reports and QSL cards (whatever that is) do not interest me. #I just like to visit and "ragchew" (as we old folks used to say).

PSK seems like the perfect place to go and just visit with others. #Talk about whatever common interests you have. #I use macros extensively, even tho I can type much faster than the sending speed of PSK. #I don't think I have ever seen or sent an entire transmission of 5 minutes (honest 5 minutes #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ).

If you think your contact is talking too long or taking up too much of your valuable time with things you aren't interested in, just sign off, or turn off the rig or change frequencies. #The wonderful thing about Ham radio is that you can find people who share your interests and you don't have to hang around where they don't.

[KB0E]

With only six months at BPSK and now he wants to be the frequency police as well as the format at which one would operate. I can think of very few things that are more ill mannered, inconsiderate and rude than one pulling the plug during a qso because he doesn't want to read the macros that the other station is sending. One recommendation is find another hobby. I enjoy talking with the other operators and if they want to list everything in their shack than that is their option. Get used to it and you might even comment on his setup. Will give you something to talk about when it is your turn.
Ray KB0E

[kf8g]

You know what really burns me...I had a QSO going with California one day and got blown away by a 1500 watt CW signal! And those guys always brag about running .00005 watts into a lawnchair to make contacts. Let us have some space too.... We take up a whole lot less room than even narrow CW signals.

[N9SWA]

Hello I've been reading thru variouse topics on PSK31 & I am wondering what are the computer requirements I need to run psk31? I have an old 486 33mhz with a 20 meg hd with a soundblaster card my hf rig is a Kenwood TS 940 can I run psk31 with this equipment? I'd really like to get up and running on this new mode. Tnx & 73's Dan