10 meter conditions

[wj5o]

A short time ago I logged 8 ten meter propagation beacons ..... I called CQ in four different directions on four different frequencies......... No responses....
Here are the beacons that I logged and posted to the HF Beacon reflector.
At 17:05 - 17:16Z, 22 August 2004 I can hear 8 ten meter beacon signals into EL17ip.

28.199 LU1FHH SANTA FE, ARG (4746 miles)
28.200 LU4AA BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA (4965 miles)
28.2035 K6LLL LAGUNA BEACH, CA (1281 miles)
28.2365 WØKIZ DENVER, CO (938 miles)
28.249 PY3PSI PORT ALEGRE, BRAZIL (5015 miles)
28.2705 K4AIS WALESKA, GEORGIA (882 miles)
28.2732 N4HLF APOPKA, FLORIDA (964 miles)
28.278 AC3A LEAWOOD, KS (787 miles)

Where is everybody?
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[K8EEI]

Sometimes I'm at work or out doing something in the summer , but right now I'm on 10 meters 28.4 USB , monitoring .

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[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (wj5o @ Aug. 22 2004,11:15)]Where is everybody?
We're all waiting for the code requirement to drop so we can upgrade.

[K8EEI]

How will you copy the beacons and know where they are? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W4MAJ]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 22 2004,13:21)]We're all waiting for the code requirement to drop so we can upgrade.
This better not turn into another code/no code debate!

I've tuned around on 10-meters a couple of times today and I haven't heard anything. Hmmm.....

[wj5o]

Yep, I agree Tony........ Since beacons ID with Morse code..... a person without code skills will be "up the creek without a paddle".
The beacons are the number one "real time" indicator of band openings....
With the complete "downside" of cycle 23 coming soon, the openings are going to be very short lived.....But, as long as a person can copy a beacon.. point the antenna towards the beacon location.... and call a few CQs..... There will be QSOs on ten meters. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73 Bill WJ5O

[K9STH]

Remember that a CW signal will come through a LONG time before an SSB signal can be copied. Thus, if the beacon signals are relatively weak you should get on CW and not on SSB.

Glen, K9STH

[nz3m]

This is why I keep saying we need a calling frequency on 10m. Maybe the ARRL could establish one and announce it in QST.

The band is too big to use for short E's and one hops. It's easy to miss a CQ while tuning through. There should be a frequency to monitor, just like 6m. Afterall, the bands are very similar in the summer.

Dave

[KA9VQF]

I had to clean the carpet at the motherinlaws then go ride a horse then mow until dark. 10M seems to be dead now.

Bummer missed it again.

[kg4ukf]

10 meters was open to some of the islands south of the usa and to south america last week when hurricane charlie was hitting florida. worked a couple stations. band sometimes open up late around 22-24 hundred hours. sometimes later. made a few contacts then. not been on 10 last few days. dont know what the conditions have been.

kg4ukf/ chris in manchester ky

[KA9VQF]

Quote[/b] (AB3BK @ Aug. 22 2004,19:29)]This is why I keep saying we need a calling frequency on 10m. #Maybe the ARRL could establish one and announce it in QST.
I always thought that 28.400 was the calling frequency.

When I made tech plus that is what everyone was using to make a contact. Once you got someone you would move.

[K8EEI]

That's where I usually monitor . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[nz3m]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,20:50)]Quote[/b] (AB3BK @ Aug. 22 2004,19:29)]This is why I keep saying we need a calling frequency on 10m. Maybe the ARRL could establish one and announce it in QST.
I always thought that 28.400 was the calling frequency.

When I made tech plus that is what everyone was using to make a contact. Once you got someone you would move.
I didn't know that, thanks. I'm sure there are others who don't know this is the calling freq either.

Dave

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (wj5o @ Aug. 22 2004,17:26)]Yep, I agree Tony........ Since beacons ID with Morse code..... a person without code skills will be "up the creek without a paddle". #
Does an op need to know exactly where the DX is coming from to call CQ? If English is spoken he will find out soon enough. Also....a beacon can be understood by a no coder easy enough if it is repeated over and over. Might take a few times but I can sure figure it out. DUH!

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (wj5o @ Aug. 22 2004,17:26)]#
The beacons are the number one "real time" indicator of band openings....
False. The # ONE indicator of a band opening on 10 (in the US anyway)is to listen to CB ch 19.

[KC8QMU]

Quote[/b] ]Does an op need to know exactly where the DX is coming from to call CQ? If English is spoken he will find out soon enough. Also....a beacon can be understood by a no coder easy enough if it is repeated over and over. Might take a few times but I can sure figure it out. DUH!

If you know enough code to copy the beacon after a few times, you could probably add a slight bit more effort and pass the 5 WPM test. DUH! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W1SK]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 23 2004,14:16)]Quote[/b] (wj5o @ Aug. 22 2004,17:26)]
The beacons are the number one "real time" indicator of band openings....
False. The # ONE indicator of a band opening on 10 (in the US anyway)is to listen to CB ch 19.
Yep, the one thing that I want to do all day is to listen to the trash talkers on CB. It is much easier to hear a beacon transmitting its station ID to get a good idea of the band conditions.


Joe

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W1SK @ Aug. 23 2004,16:37)]Yep, the one thing that I want to do all day is to listen to the trash talkers on CB. It is much easier to hear a beacon transmitting its station ID to get a good idea of the band conditions.


Joe
It only takes a second to determine if the DX is in on ch 19. I wouldn't wish listening to it all day on my worse enemy.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC8QMU @ Aug. 23 2004,14:50)]If you know enough code to copy the beacon after a few times, you could probably add a slight bit more effort and pass the 5 WPM test. DUH! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Yeah...and I'd better get with it and get it done before April huh?

[KA9VQF]

Oh,..... why the smeg not?

Then you can become a curmudgeon and browbeat NCT’s too. Won’t that be fun?

Yes, I passed the 5 word a minute test to become a novice a while back but I have done virtually nothing with the code.

I made a few CW QSO’s but never got in the groove so to speak. As far as I know I’m the only one from the class that passed who is still on the air at all.

I try real hard not to knock someone else’s ability and proficiency with the mode. I keep working at code lately with the fine free program from G4FON but still have my problems.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 22 2004,12:21)]Quote[/b] (wj5o @ Aug. 22 2004,11:15)]Where is everybody?
We're all waiting for the code requirement to drop so we can upgrade.
Hope you have to wait a very long time.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 24 2004,13:08)]I try real hard not to knock someone else’s ability and proficiency with the mode. I keep working at code lately with the fine free program from G4FON but still have my problems.
You make it sound like you are weak of faith and somehow not worthy.....why bother with it? I hear you on the others (as well as many) who are no longer interested in any of it anymore.
I made the decision years ago not to touch the morse monkey and am very proud that I never passed nor attempted to pass a Morse code proficiency test. Where does that place me in the faith line up?........ goin to hell I'm sure.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Aug. 24 2004,13:31)]Hope you have to wait a very long time.
Don't hold your breath. The smart money is on something happening by April '05. Its been 10 years wait so far. I can go till I die if needs be. When and if the code requirement is dropped upgrading will not be high up on my priority list (like it is with some) anyway, but then the wait will be of my own doing.....opps I almost forgot, they might upgrade me with a freeby.

[YO3GNO]

Quote[/b] (wj5o @ Aug. 22 2004,11:15)]28.199 # LU1FHH # # # #SANTA FE, ARG (4746 miles)
28.200 # LU4AA # # # # #BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA (4965 28.249 # PY3PSI # # # # PORT ALEGRE, BRAZIL (5015 miles)
How come Buenos Aires is closer to you than Porto Alegre?

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 24 2004,17:59)]The smart money is on something happening by April '05. Its been 10 years wait so far. I can go till I die if needs be.
That's where the 'smart money' is? Doesn't sound very smart to me. And you may find great disappointment in the 'something' when it happens.

Take my word for it, it's easier to to do the test. But, then, you may feel it 'smarter' to sit around another ten years.

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[KD4LEI]

I just heard a gentleman talking to some other amateurs yesterday around lunchtime on 28.345. The conditions there are on the downside, but they are still workable.

[K9STH]

I have "worked the world" on 10 meters during a sunspot minimum. This was during the various DX contests when people get on the band whether or not it "seems" open.

Just like 6 meters opens at "odd" times, 10 meters does as well. It is just the fact that people listen for a few minutes, maybe call CQ once or twice, and then go away.

Often the band is open to somewhere. Unfortunately it is not always open to an area where there is much of an amateur radio population. It seems that there are not that many fish who are active on 10 meters!

There are very few times that I cannot copy a beacon from somewhere on the band. However, the signal from the beacon is often pretty weak. Under those conditions SSB is NOT going to make it but CW will. I have also tuned across the 10 meter band and heard a few CW signals that are perfectly copiable yet not hear anything at all on SSB.

Thus, I definitely do NOT want this to turn into a code/no-code discussion. But, the simple fact is that you can definitely make a CW contact when you can't even detect the slightest SSB signal.

Glen, K9STH

[ky5u]

Should have opened 10M to NCT a year ago. It would have been good for the Techs to get more DX and the vendors to make more money (and the ARRL more members).

[W8MW]

AG4YO I agree. #It would benefit amateur radio overall by increasing our presence on a band that can clearly support much more activity. #

73 Mike

[W3MIV]

Again, Charlie, your reasoning is sound. Add my signature to the petition.

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[wj5o]

Quote[/b] (YO3GNO @ Aug. 25 2004,04:26)]How come Buenos Aires is closer to you than Porto Alegre?

for YO3GNO....... I just went through the calculations again..... The lower end of Brazil is farther from my location than the upper part of Argentina.
Miles from EL17ip
PY3PSI # # Grid: GF49kw
Porto Alergia
30.0625 S
51.125 W
5015 miles

LU4AA # #Grid: #FF96VP
BUENOS AIRES # #
33.3542S
60.2083 W
4862 miles

LU1FHH # Grid: FF98og
Santa Fe Argentina
31.7292 S
60.7917 W # #
4750 miles

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 25 2004,03:37)]But, then, you may feel it 'smarter' to sit around another ten years.
We're not allowed to talk about code/no code?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? but I will definately put big money on no code techs not getting yes code tech privs on 10 meters in the next 10 years NOT HAPPENING.

P.S. 5 wpm under your belt and you are now a staunch member of the, don't let em have anything without the code, club......congradulations big guy.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 25 2004,14:15)]P.S. 5 wpm under your belt and you are now a staunch member of the, don't let em have anything without the code, club......congradulations big guy.
Not true at all. If you go back and read my posts from the start you will see that I have always opposed the continuation of manual telegraphy as a test requirement, and I have not changed that position.

You will also find that I have always doubted that the FCC will simply grant auto-upgrades, and that Extra will probably retain the manual telegraphy component for the foreseeable future. That, my friend, is where the smart money is riding.

I did what I did because I want the widest bandwidth I can get, not because I have changed my song. I am now studying for the Extra test and plan to do that in the next several weeks.

Good luck and 73 to you for whatever you do.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Aug. 25 2004,08:18)]Should have opened 10M to NCT a year ago. It would have been good for the Techs to get more DX and the vendors to make more money (and the ARRL more members).
Someone said we need to wait another 10 years (NCTs)...then endorses your proposal.
The part about the ARRL membership increasing is a good one (humor)

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 25 2004,11:26)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 25 2004,14:15)]P.S. 5 wpm under your belt and you are now a staunch member of the, don't let em have anything without the code, club......congradulations big guy.
Not true at all. If you go back and read my posts from the start you will see that I have always opposed the continuation of manual telegraphy as a test requirement, and I have not changed that position.

You will also find that I have always doubted that the FCC will simply grant auto-upgrades, and that Extra will probably retain the manual telegraphy component for the foreseeable future. That, my friend, is where the smart money is riding.

I did what I did because I want the widest bandwidth I can get, not because I have changed my song. I am now studying for the Extra test and plan to do that in the next several weeks.

Good luck and 73 to you for whatever you do.
No code techs getting yes code tech privs without any further testing is an UPGRADE in my book. Otherwise my hat is off to you and I wish you success in your endeavors/goals.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 24 2004,14:59)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Aug. 24 2004,13:31)]Hope you have to wait a very long time.
Don't hold your breath. The smart money is on something happening by April '05. Its been 10 years wait so far. I can go till I die if needs be. When and if the code requirement is dropped upgrading will not be high up on my priority list (like it is with some) anyway, but then the wait will be of my own doing.....opps I almost forgot, they might upgrade me with a freeby.
LOOSER!!

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Aug. 25 2004,11:53)]LOOSER!!
There are many in amateur radio, especially those who are still sore about the 5 wpm only exam. Time will tell if amateur radio itself will be the biggest LOOSER.

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Aug. 25 2004,08:18)]Should have opened 10M to NCT a year ago. It would have been good for the Techs to get more DX and the vendors to make more money (and the ARRL more members).
If children younger than 6 have successfully mastered the CW test and some that had 20 WPM by the time they were 10 years old and passed the test. I see no reason at all to dumb down the requirements to fit some or use as a recruiting tool. Take the case of the guy in PR didn't even know what his band privilidges were. Not a good idea. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Aug. 25 2004,21:53)]If #children younger #than #6 #have #successfully #mastered #the #CW test #and #some #that #had #20 WPM by the #time #they #were 10 #years #old #and #passed #the #test. #I #see #no reason #at #all #to #dumb #down #the requirements #to #fit #some #or #use #as #a recruiting tool.
So, anyone who doesn't know or use Morse code is dumb? Its no wonder there is a problem.

[wj5o]

Well, I guess I started this thread..... but, I had no intention of "putting Ops down" that can not copy a beacon's ID.
I thought that it was "strange" that I could hear so many signals in four different directions .. Yet, I could not get a response to my CQs.
Yes, ten meters is a large band........ Yes, a designated calling frequency would help an Op to know where to call CQ.... and Yes, the cycle 23 is heading toward minimum.

I suggest that if a person can identify a beacon signal... #that the antenna should be directed that direction and CQ called sufficient times to get a response....

I appreciate the "cross section" of responses to my original post ... a person that "thinks" can eventually work out any difficulty.

[YO3GNO]

Quote[/b] (wj5o @ Aug. 25 2004,11:03)]for YO3GNO....... I just went through the calculations again..... The lower end of Brazil is farther from my location than the upper part of Argentina.
Weird. But if these are the figures, it is ok with me.
Buenos Aires is closer to the Sounth Pole than Porto Alegre for instance...