Wholesale CB Sales

[K4KWH]

SIC 'EM!!!



Before the FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION Washington, D.C. 20554 Mr. Brandon Smith File No.: EB-04- DL-033 Mr. John Jackson Citation: C20043250003 d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio Sent via Certified 5320 North Hwy 97 Return Receipt Requested Sand Springs, OK 74063 and First Class U.S. Mail CITATION Released: August 6, 2004 By the Enforcement Bureau, Dallas Office: 1. This is an Official Citation issued pursuant to Section 503(b)(5) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (``Act''),1 to Messrs. Brandon Smith and John Jackson d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio for violation of Section 302(b) of the Act,2 and Sections 2.803(a)(1) and 2.815(b)&© of the Commission's Rules.3 2. An investigation by the FCC's Dallas Office revealed that the Internet domain name wholesalecbradio.com is registered to Smith & Jackson, Inc., 1032 N. Birch, Sand Springs, OK 74063 with John Jackson, brandonjjgs@AOL.COM, Smith & Jackson Inc., 1032 N. Birch, Sand Springs, OK 74063 listed as the administrative and technical contact. Furthermore, on July 29, 2004, Messrs. Brandon Smith and John Jackson d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio through the Internet site www.wholesalecbradio.com (with an address currently listed on the site as ``Wholesale CB Radio, 5320 North Hwy 97, Sand Springs, OK 74063'', but previously listed as ``1032 N. Birch, Sand Springs, OK 74063'') offered for sale, the following fifty-five (55) non-certified Citizens Band transceivers: NAME MODEL PRICE DESCRIPTION Connex 3300 $179.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``AM/FM'', ``Band Switch'' Connex 3300LE $189.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``AM/FM'', ``Band Switch`` Connex 3300HP $214.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``Band Switch-Hi/Low'' Connex 3300HP LE $229.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``Band Switch-Hi/Low'' Connex 3300HP Patriot Ed $219.99 ``Export CB Radios'', ``25.615-28.305'', 6 bands Connex 4400HP $229.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``over 300 channels'' Connex 4800DXL $309.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``12 Bands'' Connex Coyote Hunter $169.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``5 band, selector'' Connex Deer Hunter $159.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``3 band'' Galaxy DX33HML $169.99 ``Export Radio'' Galaxy DX44V $199.99 ``Export Radio'' Galaxy DX45MP $229.99 ``CB Radio'', ``Band selector (8 pos)'' Galaxy 48T $349.99 ``CB Radio'', ``50 watts for AM and FM'' Galaxy DX55V $179.99 ``Export Radio''  NAME MODEL PRICE DESCRIPTION Galaxy DX66V $259.99 ``Export Radio'', ``8 Watts'' Galaxy DX77HML $239.99 ``Export Radio'', 10w AM / 25w SSB Galaxy DX88HL $319.99 ``CB Radio'', ``band switch'' Galaxy DX93T $389.99 ``CB Radio'', 20w AM/FM, 50w SSB Galaxy DX95T $429.99 ``Export CB Radio'', 200w PEP AM&SSB Galaxy DX99V $349.99 ``CB Radio'', ``band control'' Galaxy DX 2517 $449.99 ``Base Export CB Radio'', ``band select'' General Grant $439.99 ``Export Radio'', ``12 Bands of 40 Channels'' General A.P. Hill $189.95 ``Export Radio'', ``6 Bands of 40 Channels'' General Stonewall Jackson $529.99 ``10 Meter Export Base'', ``Mods included'' General Lee $209.99 ``Export Radio'', ``6 Bands of 40 Channels'' General Longstreet $239.99 ``Export Radio'', ``6 Bands of 40 Channels'' Magnum 257 $199.99 ``10 Meter CB Radio'', ``30 watts output power'' Magnum 357 DX $369.99 ``10 Meter CB Amateur Radio'' Magnum DeltaForce $239.99 ``10 Meter CB Radio'' Magnum Megaforce S45 $279.99 ``10 Meter CB Radio'' Magnum S-3 $219.99 ``10 Meter CB Radio'' Magnum S-9 $339.99 ``10 meter Radio'', 9w AM / 40w SSB/FM Magnum S 3200 $299.99 ``10 Meter Export has 8 bands of Channels'' Maverick A24 $204.99 ``10 Meter CB Radio'', ``AM/FM Modes'' Mirage 44 $209.95 ``Export CB Radio has 361 AM/FM Channels'' Mirage 88 $319.95 ``Export CB Radio'', 361 channels Mirage 2950 EX $289.95 ``Export CB Radio'', 8w AM/FM, 25w SSB Mirage 6600 $259.95 ``Export CB Radio'', ``AM/FM'', ``Band switch'' Mirage 9900 HP $349.95 ``Export CB Radio has 361 Channels'' President HR-2510 Used Ranger R.C.I. 2950 DX $299.99 ``Export 10 meter'', ``30watts'', ``CB/PA'' Ranger R.C.I. 2970 DX $419.99 ``Export 10 meter'', ``100watts+'', ``CB/PA'' Ranger RCI-2980WX $479.95 ``CB Radio'', base, 10w AM/FM/CW, 25w SSB Ranger RCI-2985 $474.95 ``Export CB Radio'', base, AM/FM/CW, SSB Ranger RCI-2995DX $594.95 ``Export CB Radio'', base 50w / 150w Ranger RCI-6300 F25 $279.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``Band selector (12 pos)'' Ranger RCI-6300 F150 $399.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``100watts+'' Ranger RCI-6900 F25 $309.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``40w'' Ranger RCI-6900 F150 $439.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``100watts+'' Ranger SS 3900GHP $189.99 ``Export'', ``CB Radio'', ``Band selector (6)'' Ranger SS 3900GHP-M $199.99 ``Export'', ``CB Radio'', ``Band selector (6)'' Superstar 121 $159.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``band switch'' Superstar Chrome Face $194.99 ``360 Channels'', ``channel 9 switch'' Superstar SS 3900HP Gold $229.99 ``Export CB Radio'', ``Band Selector (A-F)'' Voyage VR 9000 $239.99 ``Export CB Radio'', 12w AM / 25w PEP According to the Commission's records, these devices have not received an FCC equipment authorization which is required for Citizens Band transmitters marketed in the United States. 3. Section 302(b) of the Act2 provides ``[n]o person shall manufacture, import, sell, offer for sale, or ship devices or home electronic equipment and systems, or use devices, which fail to comply with regulations promulgated pursuant to this section.'' Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules3 provides that ``... no person shall sell or lease, or offer for sale or lease (including advertising for sale or lease), or import, ship or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any radio frequency device unless: (1) In the case of a device subject to certification, such device has been authorized by the Commission in accordance with the rules in this chapter and is properly identified and labeled ....'' Messrs. Brandon Smith's and John Jackson's (d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio) offer for sale of these devices violates both sections. 4. Messrs. Brandon Smith and John Jackson d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio marketed these devices as amateur and/or Citizens Band transceivers. The Commission has evaluated radiofrequency devices similar to those listed in paragraph 2 and concluded that the devices at issue are not only amateur radios but can easily be altered for use as Citizens Band devices as well. A CB transmitter is a transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station authorized for the CB service, and it must be certificated by the FCC prior to marketing or importation.4 The Commission has further concluded that these devices fall within the definition of a CB transmitter and therefore cannot legally be imported or marketed in the United States. See Response from the Commission's General Counsel to U.S. Customs Service dated May 17, 1999, 14 FCC Rcd 7797 (1999). 5. Additionally, dual use CB and amateur radios of the kind at issue here may not be certificated under the Commission's rules. Section 95.655(a) of the Rules5 states: ``. . . . ([CB] Transmitters with frequency capability for the Amateur Radio Services . . . . will not be certificated.)'' See also FCC 88-256, 1988 WL 488084 (August 17, 1988). This clarification was added to explicitly foreclose the possibility of certification of dual use CB and amateur radios, see id., and thereby deter use by CB operators of frequencies allocated for amateur radio use. 6. Furthermore, the Commission has revised Section 2.1204(a)(5) of its Rules6 to prohibit all marketing and/or offering for sale in the United States of such devices even when the purchaser(s) had provided assurances that the transceivers are being bought solely for export. ALL DOMESTIC MARKETING OF SUCH DEVICES VIOLATES THE COMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1934, AS AMENDED, AND THE COMMISSION'S RULES. 7. In addition to the marketing of the non-certified transceivers addressed above, Messrs. Brandon Smith and John Jackson d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio are warned that Section 302(b) of the Act2, and Section 2.815© of the Commission's Rules7 requires FCC Type Acceptance (or Certification) of External Radio Frequency Power Amplifiers (or amplifier kits) capable of operation on any frequency or frequencies below 144 MHz. Furthermore, Section 2.815(b) of the Commission's Rules8 prohibits the marketing of External Radio Frequency Power Amplifiers (or amplifier kits) capable of operation on any frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz. Non-certified External RF Power Amplifiers requiring certification include, but are not limited to, the following brands: Boomer, Cobra, Comet, Galaxy, Golden Eagle, Intruder, KL, KLV, Magna Force, Messenger, Palomar, RM, Sandman, Shockwave, Skipper, Tennessee Walker, Texas Star, TNT and XForce. 8. Subsequent violations of the Communications Act and/or of the Commission's Rules may subject the violator to substantial monetary forfeitures not to exceed $11,000 for each such violation or each day of a continuing violation,9 seizure of equipment through in rem forfeiture action, and criminal sanctions including imprisonment.10 9. Messrs. Brandon Smith and John Jackson d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio may request a personal interview at the closest FCC location to its place of business,11 namely: Federal Communications Commission 9330 LBJ Freeway, Suite 1170 Dallas, Texas 75243-3470 which can be contacted by telephone at 214-575-6361. They must schedule this interview to take place within 14 days of the date of this citation. Messrs. Brandon Smith and John Jackson d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio may submit a written statement within 14 days of the date of this citation to the following address: Federal Communications Commission 9330 LBJ Freeway, Suite 1170 Dallas, Texas 75243-3470 which can be contacted by telephone at 214-575-6361. Any written statement should specify what actions have been taken to correct the violation outlined above. When corresponding with the Commission, case number EB-04-DL-033 and citation number C20043250003 should be referenced. 10. Any statement or information provided may be used by the Commission to determine if further enforcement action is required.12 Any knowingly or willfully false statement made in reply to this notice is punishable by fine or imprisonment.13  FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION James D. Wells District Director - Dallas Office LRB Cc:Mr. Brandon Smith Mr. John Jackson d.b.a. Wholesale CB Radio 1032 Birch Sand Springs, OK 74063 1 47 U.S.C. § 503(b)(5) 2 47 U.S.C. § 302a(b) 3 47 C.F.R. § 2.803(a)(1) 4 See 47 C.F.R. §§ 95.603© & 2.803 5 47 C.F.R. § 95.655(a) 6 47 C.F.R. § 2.1204(a)(5) revised effective February 28, 2000 7 47 C.F.R. § 2.815© 8 47 C.F.R. § 2.815(b) 9 See 47 C.F.R. § 1.80(b)(3) 10 See 47 U.S.C. §§ 401, 501, 503, 510 11 See 47 U.S.C. § 503(b)(5) 12 See Privacy Act of 1974, 5 U.S.C. §552a(e)(3) 13 See 18 U.S.C. §1001
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[k6pme]

Wow....I didn't know so many illegal radio's existed. But I guess they didn't get the hint. The website is still up.
Some of those radio's say that they are 10 meter CB.

http://www.wholesalecbradio.com

[KC7HDE]

All of these FCC guys have to do is go to the nearest Truck Stop that sells CB's and they will find these radios sold at most of them, It's no big secret http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif


73
Norm T.

[N8CPA]

Wow! They're open 8AM to 5PM--but don't specify the time zone on a worldwide medium.
A lot of thought went into that!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w5lda]

Unfortunately i know John Jackson and he lives just a few miles from me.He has been a thorn in the side of law-abiding cb'rs for years,the type of guy that tries to take over a frequency with the aid of his big "leanyars".
This isn't his first try in the radio business and was closed down for lack of service and stealing radios that were brought in for repairs and claiming them stolen when the owner showed to pick them up.Actually i always thought he was just this far "------".
from mental retardation.

kd5vsg

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Aug. 18 2004,01:40)]Wow! #They're open 8AM to 5PM--but don't specify the time zone on a worldwide medium.
A lot of thought went into that!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Hey, they've been serving CB'ers since 1978.

[k4uug]

now if they can clean up 75 meters http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Nuttin wrong with 75 meters... Don't like the band, hit the band switch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[K6UEY]

Some of the newer Hams are uncomfortable on 75 meters,you find a lot of mature adults there,and they feel out of place!!
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[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 18 2004,05:07)]Nuttin wrong with 75 meters... Don't like the band, hit the band switch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darn tootin. Burpin and a Fartin and a Cussin and a talking about breedin with mah sister and mah cuzin is whut 75meetrs is all about. hyukhyukhyuk

please.... Those idiots are just as bad if not WORSE than the guys on 11m. Only switch that should be hit is the O-F-F switch on the offending stations.

QSL? HYUK.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KB3JLZ @ Aug. 18 2004,07:21)]Darn tootin. #Burpin and a Fartin and a Cussin and a talking about breedin with mah sister and mah cuzin is whut 75meetrs is all about. hyukhyukhyuk
Yep, those "mature ops" on 75m sure act mature, don't they? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

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[K6UEY]

If you don't like the activity on the band, stay the hell off the band,you won't be missed!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Aug. 18 2004,08:01)]If you don't like the activity on the band, stay the hell off the band,you won't be missed!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
So let me see if I understand the great UEY correctly.

If I dont like illegal activity I should leave the band?

Using your logic we should all just give up on 10m right. Hey we dont like it so we should just leave. we wont be missed right? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KB3JLZ @ Aug. 18 2004,08:29)]Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Aug. 18 2004,08:01)]If you don't like the activity on the band, stay the hell off the band,you won't be missed!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
So let me see if I understand the great UEY correctly.

If I dont like illegal activity I should leave the band?

Using your logic we should all just give up on 10m right. #Hey we dont like it so we should just leave. #we wont be missed right? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Methinks Orv is a bit touchy about that subject... one wonders why?

As for abandoning the band, NEVER! I refuse to surrender to the bad ops that seem to be multiplying faster than rabbits.

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[w6ez]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Aug. 17 2004,20:52)]Wow....I didn't know so many illegal radio's existed. But I guess they didn't get the hint. The website is still up.
Some of those radio's say that they are 10 meter CB.

http://www.wholesalecbradio.com
All of those radios are illegal for CB. ANY of them can be converted for use on 10 meters by a licensed ham (just like a legal CB radio)

Some of them are advertised as 10 meter radios and what makes them illegal for CB is that they can be coverted to 11 meters with the flip of a switch, snip of a wire or the moving of a jumper.
(Then there are also the issues with the power they put out which also makes them illegal for CB.) Besides that, how are you going to feel if the ham on the other end asks you what rig you are runing and you tell him a galxy super star big boomer mobil!

Remember hams can convert ANY radio for amateur radio use but once the radio is converted it can never be used on it's origional band again.

At least that's how I understand it.

[ai4ep]

It is extremely simple

If you wish to communicate with c b operators, you purchase a cb radio.

If you wish to communicate with 10 meter amateur radio operators, you purchase a 10 meter amateur radio.

Is that too complicated ?

[w6ez]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Aug. 18 2004,09:24)]It is extremely simple

If you wish to communicate with c b operators, you purchase a cb radio.

If you wish to communicate with 10 meter amateur radio operators, you purchase a 10 meter amateur radio.

Is that too complicated ?
For me and most of us, that pretty much sums it up.
But there are folks who enjoy converting radios from other bands for use on amateur bands and that is ok too.

Just don't let the pirates have the radio once it's converted.

[ki4bgo]

Quote[/b] (KB3JLZ @ Aug. 18 2004,09:21)]Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 18 2004,05:07)]Nuttin wrong with 75 meters... Don't like the band, hit the band switch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darn tootin. #Burpin and a Fartin and a Cussin and a talking about breedin with mah sister and mah cuzin is whut 75meetrs is all about. hyukhyukhyuk

please.... #Those idiots are just as bad if not WORSE than the guys on 11m. Only switch that should be hit is the O-F-F switch on the offending stations.

QSL? #HYUK.... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
ABSOLUTELY! 11-meters is bad enough but, you'd think since a license is required for 75, that they'd act just a bit better than 11? Nope....I don't consider those lids Hams, 'cause they're no better than their 11-meter counterparts! I wonder how many LIDS are screaming about 11-meters and then jump on 75 and do the same if not worse?
....SHUT 'em ALL DOWN! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[ai4ep]

aint these fcc databases just the greatest thing since sliced bread....?

It lets any one ( whether they be a technician, or a general or an Extra class ham or not ) know sooooooo much about each and every one of us...all legal !!!

It is all free information from YOUR federal communications commission.

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AI4EP

[w5lda]

Really makes me wonder why someone would defend the shenanigans that goes on there if they were not part of the shenanigans to start with.I say the shoe fits and needs to get a shoe horn.

kd5vsg

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I dont want to agitate / aggravate those of you who disagree with my words...
but

If you are going to " go through the rules and regulations with a fine-tooth comb " to try to get them to go along with " your favorite scenerio "

then just be sure to leave me out of it...that is all I ask.

None of my rigs have been modified for any kind of use...even modifying them to use the 5 frequencies on 60 meters. 5 more frequencies to talk on just dont match the stigma of having a rig opened up for every other frequency that it is possible to use illegally.

It is better to be safe than sorry.

I know this thread is about cb stuff, but I dont even have my 2 meter rigs modified for out-of-band use, since for me ...it is NOT needed. If I were a volunteer fireman, etc I would get a new or used rig especially for those frequencies. I also know money is tight, but you can get find a way to get the radio equipment you need.

But back to the basic topic of this thread, I suggest getting a 10 meter rig for 10 meter operation, and a seperate CB rig for cb usage .


73

AI4EP

[kj5t]

Quote[/b] ]But back to the basic topic of this thread, I suggest getting a 10 meter rig for 10 meter operation, and a seperate CB rig for cb usage .

Thats true, if you wanted to talk to CBers, but if you use modified gear I think thats fine too.. I know a lot of guys who modify radios for other hams, modifying a CB for 10 meters, or a Commerical radio for 2meters or 440 is not big deal. Some people enjoy doing it, and its legal.

Also for the comments about 75 meters, it is pretty bad off. I wish that there were more laws taken to keep this "bad" stuff off the air.

[KA9VQF]

I have a Johnson 23 channel SSB radio that I modified for use on the 10M band. I built a 100W amp, from a project I found in my 1963 handbook, that was pretty efficiently driven by the 14 watts that the Johnson supplied to it.

When other ops asked what rig I was using and I told them they were pretty evenly split on whether or not I should have done the conversion and use the darn thing or not.

I did a lot of research on the topic and decided that while it might be legal to modify the rig and even to build the amp I would not use it any more. I sold the amp to a ham who has since sold it as well. I still have the Johnson but the Glen manufacturing digital VFO I was using has retired to the parts bin as it no longer functions. The company is out of business and there are no online sources for information on the thing so I can’t even make a real attempt at restoration.

During the modification the crystal lattice was removed to accommodate the circuitry for the VFO. A friend of mine tells me that I can use a phase lock loop and a multiturn potentiometer that will drive a digital display to give me the frequency I’m transmitting on but I don’t see the point since I have a pretty good HF rig now. I have offered to give him the thing so he can do this procedure but he really isn’t all that interested either.

It might be an interesting project but I’d rather spend the time with my G4FON program.

[WA2ZDY]

Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 18 2004,08:07)]Nuttin wrong with 75 meters... Don't like the band, hit the band switch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I do - every day. 20 cw from the mobile on the commute home has been pretty fair lately. And last evening on the way to the local ham club meeting (about 2200z) the band was great. I was working Russians like crazy.

What was going on on 75, or 10 for that matter? Not DX - Russians, Siberia, etc I'll bet.

And I think - I THINK - Orv was talking about 75, not 11.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Why is it being thought that " every one on 75 meters " is :

* up to no good
* participitating in illegal activities ( especially belching & burping with the mike keyed )

* intent on agitating / aggravating other operators

* other radio activities that are illegal

or more than one of the above ?

There are illegal ops on every band, even the WARC and MARS frequencies.

Personally, this week ( Wednesday already ) I have not heard any illegal activities on any band at any time....and that IS a compliment ( but some one will say either " you were too busy transmitting to HEAR any one " or " you have to have the raddio turned ON to hear what IS going on...blah blah blah for 6 pages " . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I dont mind, criticise me... it is only words on a computer screen. { your turn }

73

AI4EP

[w6ez]

I did do the mod on my hf rig for the 60 meter band. I had the radio for 10 years before I did that and only after we got the added spectrum.

I have never done any of the extended TX mods on any of my vhf/uhf rigs. I see no reason to do that.

I have coverted a couple of CBs for ten meters just to have a project to do. (followed the instructions is a ham magazine..) Made a few contacts and now the rigs are in the closet.

There is nothing wrong with projects as long as you follow the rules.

[ae2ny]

I remember working 75M on Field Day and we had a GOTA Station set up. We had visitors and for some reason I just got the thought to plug the headphones in. Probably cause it was hard to hear through the static so much.

Anyway, Had I *NOT* plugged in those headphones, the visitors would have heard talk of panties, sex, having sex with each other's wives, so forth and so on. NOT something visitors need to hear and CERTAINLY not something my XYL needs ot hear when she gets HER General Ticket.


Anthony - KI4VPR

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KI4VPR @ Aug. 18 2004,17:47)]I remember working 75M on Field Day and we had a GOTA Station set up. We had visitors and for some reason I just got the thought to plug the headphones in. Probably cause it was hard to hear through the static so much.

Anyway, Had I *NOT* plugged in those headphones, the visitors would have heard talk of panties, sex, having sex with each other's wives, so forth and so on. NOT something visitors need to hear and CERTAINLY not something my XYL needs ot hear when she gets HER General Ticket.


Anthony - KI4VPR
How many no-code techs are there operating on 75m, Anthony? ;)

[ae2ny]

I see the point you're making but this thread was NEVER a code/no code debate. I was a no-code tech at the time, but I wsa operating under the Club Call with a Control Operator present.

73 de KI4VPR

[N7AAO]

Actually, I wasn't trying to make it a code/no-code debate. I was attempting to make the point that NCT's are not behind all the mischief that happens on the air.

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[ae2ny]

Ahhhhh, then I see your point, absolutely. My apologies for not eseing it before http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


Anthony - KI4VPR

QUOTE: Burpin and a Fartin and a Cussin and a talking about breedin with mah sister and mah cuzin is whut 75meetrs is all about. hyukhyukhyuk

This is just another UNCOMFIRMED report... And even if this type of language were occuring on the 75 meter band, it is isolated cases and does not mean the entire band is bad.... Of course I do understand all you newbies need something to whine about and since you don't have 75 meters capabilities, it's easy for you to condemn those who use the band, not to mention the band itself....

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 19 2004,08:32)]QUOTE: #Burpin and a Fartin and a Cussin and a talking about breedin with mah sister and mah cuzin is whut 75meetrs is all about. hyukhyukhyuk

This is just another UNCOMFIRMED report... # And even if this type of language were occuring on the 75 meter band, it is isolated cases and does not mean the entire band is bad.... Of course I do understand all you newbies need something to whine about and since you don't have 75 meters capabilities, it's easy for you to condemn those who use the band, not to mention the band itself....
Excuse me, I was one of the complainers, and I am an Extra and a VE... lumping all complainers into the "newbie" category is just another example of the stereotyping that drives people away from this hobby.

Imagine if you were a prospective ham and reading that post (guests do still have read access to this board, ya know)... what would he think of the people in ham radio?

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There ya go, just like lumping ALL of 75 meters into the "trash" category is the SAME THING,,,,,,,,,,,, is it not??

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 19 2004,09:21)]There ya go, just like lumping ALL of 75 meters into the "trash" category is the SAME THING,,,,,,,,,,,, is it not??
I never said everyone that uses 75m is a lid... in fact, I believe I said we need more good operators on 75m and 10m to take back the bands from the bad operators!

My statements have always been pointed directly at the above-mentioned bad operators.

Nice try, we have some lovely parting gifts for you...

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[w3bny]

Quote[/b] ]Of course I do understand all you newbies need something to whine about and since you don't have 75 meters capabilities

Oy...Cheeze-toast... #check the call sign again eh? #If not having a leeeneeear means i dont have 75m capabilites, oh well, guess I cant do MEPN any more. <kick tomato can> other wise....re-read the first part again. Dit-Dit http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KB3JLZ @ Aug. 19 2004,10:16)]Quote[/b] ]Of course I do understand all you newbies need something to whine about and since you don't have 75 meters capabilities

Oy...Cheeze-toast... #check the call sign again eh? #Dit-Dit

And to add.... As the Great Ominpotent UEY would say....

Dont like this thread... leave!

P.S. #Dont cry.. QSY! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Hey, look... a General speaks up! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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I can see that a lots of you do not interpret what you read (or maybe you do not read at all)?? I NEVER mentioned "lid" or "lids" and I never made a reference to license class.....

Go back and read it again "Johnnie" or you'll have to stay after class.....

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Aug. 19 2004,10:18)]Quote[/b] (KB3JLZ @ Aug. 19 2004,10:16)]Quote[/b] ]Of course I do understand all you newbies need something to whine about and since you don't have 75 meters capabilities

Oy...Cheeze-toast... #check the call sign again eh? #Dit-Dit

And to add.... As the Great Ominpotent UEY would say....

Dont like this thread... leave!

P.S. #Dont cry.. QSY! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Hey, look... a General speaks up! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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You were expecting Charlie Chicken Bander maybe?

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N.H.F. Mate.... Have a good afternoon.

[K4KWH]

All I can say is, I am amazed at the lack of maturity and civility on 75 Meters. I'm sorry, but I cannot understand the attraction of banal sounds, and infantile actions on the part of "grown" men. I have no desire to be associated with the clatches of "men" that gather on certain frequencies and act like 7 year olds.:( No WONDER other countries think of Americans as vile, amoral barbarians!
It embarasses me:blush: to know that I am "associated" with such babies who have nothing better to than to belch and fart, and cuss at each other. I get no pleasure from such antics and won't participate in them--thus, you rarely hear K4KWH on 75--not as tho I am a snob, but because I don't want to be thought to be a lowball goon who walks on his hairy knuckles. What I DO love to hear is thoughtful discussions on a variety of
topics, and yes, many QSOs are just that. I learn a lot from mature, knowleable hams that make me say, "Hmmm, I didn't know that; let me try an antenna like that".

Why DO *some* hams act like babies?

73

[K4KWH]

All I can say is, I am amazed at the lack of maturity and civility on 75 Meters. I'm sorry, but I cannot understand the attraction of banal sounds, and infantile actions on the part of "grown" men. I have no desire to be associated with the clatches of "men" that gather on certain frequencies and act like 7 year olds.:( No WONDER other countries think of Americans as vile, amoral barbarians!
It embarasses me:blush: to know that I am "associated" with such babies who have nothing better to do than to belch and fart, and cuss at each other. I get no pleasure from such antics and won't participate in them--thus, you rarely hear K4KWH on 75--not as tho I am a snob, but because I don't want to be thought to be a lowball goon who walks on his hairy knuckles. What I DO love to hear is thoughtful discussions on a variety of topics, and yes, many QSOs are just that. I learn a lot from mature, know-leable hams that make me say, "Hmmm, I didn't know that; let me try an antenna like that".

Why DO *some* hams act like babies?

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73

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 19 2004,10:28)]All I can say is, I am amazed at the lack of maturity and civility on 75 Meters. #I'm sorry, but I cannot understand the attraction of banal sounds, and infantile actions on the part of "grown" men. I have no desire to be associated with the clatches of "men" that gather on certain frequencies and act like 7 year olds.:( #No WONDER other countries think of Americans as vile, amoral barbarians!
It embarasses me:blush: to know that I am "associated" with such babies who have nothing better to than to belch and fart, and cuss at each other. I get no pleasure from such antics and won't participate in them--thus, you rarely hear K4KWH on 75--not as tho I am a snob, but because I don't want to be thought to be a lowball goon who walks on his hairy knuckles. What I DO love to hear is thoughtful discussions on a variety of
topics, and yes, many QSOs are just that. I learn a lot from mature, knowleable hams that make me say, "Hmmm, I didn't know that; let me try an antenna like that".

Why DO *some* hams act like babies?

73
KWH, I encourage you to visit 75m... how are we going to chase the bad operators off if no good operators are willing to use the band?

As for why some hams act like babies... maybe because that is all the mental maturity they have? (Not naming names, notice!)

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 19 2004,10:20)]I can see that a lots of you do not interpret what you read (or maybe you do not read at all)?? #I NEVER mentioned "lid" or "lids" and I never made a reference to license class.....

Go back and read it again "Johnnie" or you'll have to stay after class.....
Actually, what you said was:

Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 19 2004,08:32)]Of course I do understand all you newbies need something to whine about and since you don't have 75 meters capabilities,

Now, which group of hams does not have 75m capabilities? Maybe the no-code techs?

Nice try again.

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Maybe,,,,, Just maybe, it means the ones that have "no 75 meter capabilities".... Does that say license?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif No?? Good... Does that say code/nocode?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif No??? Good........ Can you read now?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Do you understand now?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (NJ1K @ Aug. 19 2004,11:13)]Maybe,,,,, Just maybe, it means the ones that have "no 75 meter capabilities".... Does that say license?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #No?? #Good... Does that say code/nocode?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #No??? #Good........ #Can you read now?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #Do you understand now?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
I read quite well, Thomas... I see you've been an Extra at least since 1996 (which is longer than I have been), and so you should know by now that there is only one license class that cannot access 75m, and that is the no-code Tech (Techs with code are allowed in the "Novice" portion of the 75m band).

So who else could you have meant?

The defense rests.

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[K9STH]

Calm down children!

There are literally thousands of amateur radio operators that have the PRIVILEGE of operating on 75 meters but do NOT have the CAPABILITIES of operating on 75 meters! There is a definite difference!

Not everyone has the space to put up an antenna that works effectively on 75 meters. Both the Technician Class licensees (doesn't matter if they have credit for Element 1 or not) and the Novice Class licensees do NOT have privileges for operating 75 meters. Basically, the FCC defines 75 meters as the 3750 KHz to 4000 KHz segment which is the segment that phone operation is allowed. Those lower class licensees who have passed Element 1 CAN operate on a portion of the 80 meter band using CW.

However, depending on their individual situation, many amateur radio operators that have a General, Advanced, or Extra Class license do NOT have the capabilities of operating on 75 meters (or 80 meters or 160 meters). Thus, one has to read what is written and not "assume" anything!

Assuming can get one into a "lot" of trouble!

Remember the "rules of the road" for QRZ.com.

No profanity.

No obscenities.

No personal attacks.

Those who insist on posting messages that fall into any of these situations are definitely becoming "fair game" for banning.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[K7JBQ]

Glen,

Good points.
And may I add that I have never experienced a lack of maturity or civility on 80m. Except, of course, during pileups.

73,
Bill

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Aug. 19 2004,11:46)]Remember the "rules of the road" for QRZ.com.

No profanity.

No obscenities.

No personal attacks.

Those who insist on posting messages that fall into any of these situations are definitely becoming "fair game" for banning.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators
My apologies to everyone if I stepped over, or got close to, that line.

Thanks for clarifying that for the masses Glen... Now they surely know....

Just to clear up a few points concerning the 75 meter bashing that always seems to come out whenever someone mentions the "nasties" that go on on 11 meters...

For some reason there are a lot of people who think that 75 meter operation is loaded with people who cuss, make "banal sounds", and generally cut up on the air... Well let me tell you this: It happens on ALL amateur bands, not just 75 meters... The problem is that propagation on 75 is such that it is heard regionally so everyone else gets to hear it... This does NOT mean that the entire 75 meter band is this way... It simply means that you are more likely to catch someone operating this way... Reception of this activity on other bands is not as widespread simply due to the nature of their propagation... For example, there is an awful lot of this kind of behavior on 2 meters, 220 and even 440 that most hams will never hear because the signals just don't go that far... And other HF bands such as 10, 15, and 20 will travel long distances but only in selective directions and skipping over huge areas that will not receive the "nasties" much of the time... But trust me, the behavior is still there, on EVERY band....

N7AAO, for your information, I have been an extra since 1986 and have spent most of my ham career on 75 meters.... I have joined many ragchew groups over the years and have almost always had very good QSO's... We chat about such topics as antenna line matching, antenna construction, large arrays, transmitter efficiency and amplifier building & operation, bandwidth, spectral purity, etc etc... Most ALL of 75 meters contains good people enjoying good clean QSO's... I can say the same for every band I have ever worked such as 160, 75, 40, 20, 15, 10, 144, and 440... Every one of these bands have lots of great traffic on them most of the time...

But ALL of these bands also have some bad apples on them too, you just don't hear it all as much because of propagation... I also can say that I seldon if ever hear any of the call signs on 75 meters of those who complain about 75 meters... Is this a capability problem?? Or is this just because the complainers simply are always looking for a bad apple to complain about and they only hear it on 75?? I am sure that if you spend time looking for the foul language on the other bands, you will hear it... You will of course have to wait for propagation to become favorable for this kind of "fishing"...

So, next time you consider posting about "cleaning up the 75 meter band", you might want to think about posting about cleaning up ALL the amateur bands.....

[gw4rcm]

I treat the ham bands like the bars I drink in my town, now there are some nice bars where I can have a good chat with some of my friends called a local, there are a few bars where i'm aquainted with the regulars of that bar, and have a decent conversation, another where all the tourists drink , nice bar where I meet nice strangers , but there is one bar I went #to that has the most disgusting #clientele that I wish to meet .
won't go THERE again.
73
Dennis

[AB8TM]

BREAKER BREAKER

[ai4ep]

why does an AMATEUR radio forum have a "CB " thread ?

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Aug. 19 2004,21:55)]why does an AMATEUR radio forum have a "CB " thread ?
To give "equal time" to the other side. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

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[ai4ep]

....equal time ?..... ooook !!

[N8CPA]

This isn't a CB thread; it's an enforcement thread. That someone catering to that other Service category is selling transceivers of a type used for illegal activities on our allocations is a secondary issue. It doesn't matter if it's a Marine, Business, FRS, or any other type of shop. If the items sold illegally end up on our allocations, it warrants a thread on an Amateur Radio site.

[ai4ep]

oh ! well........ never mind.

ai4ep, Cat got your tongue??

[K9STH]

Arnie had baked chicken along with my wife and myself this evening (Einstein won't eat "people" food), so he can't have EP's tongue! Must be some other cat!

Glen, K9STH

Most cats I know (& knew) will always go for a little tongue, er, that's beef tongue BTW....

[N7AAO]

My kitties have a big feeder filled with their favorite kitty food, so they wouldn't be going out for a snack... so they don't have EP's tongue either!

[KA9VQF]

There are five cats here from a very petite Persian to a Tennessee wildcat. Can't guarantee one of them don't have someone’s tongue.

[N7AAO]

VQF, indoor or outdoor cats?

[N8CPA]

Any cat going for beef tongue will have to beat me--especially if it's pickled! Good sandwiches!

[k4uug]

Yawn next http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Next what??

[KA9VQF]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Aug. 20 2004,17:47)]VQF, indoor or outdoor cats?
All indoor, we paid too much to have them declawed and neutered to have them get squashed on the road.

We have been keeping their shots up to date pretty well too.

There are several litter boxes here and I make sure they are changed on a regular basis.

I got one of those litter training devices that was supposed to get them to use the porcelain throne but it hasn't been very effective.

They get a half cup of food twice a day. What they don’t eat in about ten minutes is put back in the bin. It really helps on the litter boxes.

[K4JSR]

My arthritis could stand some warmth from
getting flames, so here goes;
Have any of youse guys read "101 Uses For A
Dead Cat"? <Snicker, Snicker> And OVER!

Sigh! Happiness is a good troll! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif

73, Cal K4JSR
Missing Lynx, Ga. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unclesam.gif

[KA9VQF]

I understand they make execellent tacos.

[w5alt]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,14:31)]I understand they make execellent tacos.
Yes, they do!

[w6ez]

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Aug. 21 2004,11:45)]Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,14:31)]I understand they make execellent tacos.
Yes, they do!
Cats

The other white meat.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,10:58)]There are several litter boxes here and I make sure they are changed on a regular basis.

I got one of those litter training devices that was supposed to get them to use the porcelain throne but it hasn't been very effective.
You might invest in one of the boxes that "scoops" automatically... I have one of those (not the LitterMaid, another brand), and it works pretty well. I just change the "holding bag" about once a week, add litter as needed, and do a complete change about once a month.

[KA9VQF]

We looked at those but decided that a once a week complete change was the best way for us. I really find the smell of cat urine offensive so the stuff has to go.

One of my little sisters who lives near Milwaukee has only one cat has an automatic machine and you can smell it even tho she claims to change it completely every two weeks.

I’m not saying that you can’t smell my cat boxes when its time to change things it just seems stronger at her place. Sorta greets you at the door If you know what I mean.

Her cat is not as old as any of mine, don't know if that makes any difference or not.

[N7AAO]

In that case, VQF, consider one of the litters with "crystals"... really helps with the odor. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KA9VQF]

Yep use it mixed with cheaper grades and got those plugin fresheners.

[w5lda]

How did this topic go from illegal radio sales to cats going to potty? AAO,wanna indulge?

Haw!

kd5vsg

[KA9VQF]

Well someone said something then someone else said something else then.....

It happens.

[K4JSR]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,12:14)]Yep use it mixed with cheaper grades and got those plugin fresheners.
Baking Soda is cheaper and very effective.

I thought that this thread was about Wholesale Cat
Bashing! Isn't that what CB stands for?

Just remember that "Babs" Striesand has sung about
"people who have felines are the luckiest people..."

73, Cal K4JSR
Catnip, Ga.

[n0ov]

Quote[/b] (kd5vsg @ Aug. 20 2004,13:18)]How did this topic go from illegal radio sales to cats going to potty? AAO,wanna indulge?

Haw!

kd5vsg
CB Cat Box

I can see the link http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K9STH]

VSG:

It got "hijacked" when AI4EP said that he didn't have any comment and NJ1K asked if the "cat got his tongue". Then I replied to the effect that Arnie (the cat at my AM position in the photos of my station) had baked chicken along with my wife and I that evening so he couldn't have EP's tongue. Then it went "downhill" from there!

Nothing unusual at all for the Talk & Opinions forum on QRZ.com. Threads get "hijacked" all the time! At least the comments have been clean (well, language wise, not cat litter box wise). My cats go out through the doggie door to do their "buiness" and we haven't had a litter box for about a decade. However, both cats stay close to home. Arnie usually lays out on the front porch and Einstein lays out on the deck next to the swimming pool. However, both cats stay inside most of the time.

Glen, K9STH

[N7AAO]

Glen, do the cats ever talk on the radio?

[KB5WX]

This thread is well and truly hijacked . Or is that hijinxed ?

[N7AAO]

FP, 'tain't the first, almost certainly won't be the last. Blame Glen for starting to talk about Arnie. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K9STH]

AAO:

Rarely! But Arnie doesn't like to give me room at the AM position to operate! It disturbs his sleep.

However, he got a cyst on his face that broke open while we were in Atlanta. It happened the day before we got back. The pet sitter got him some antibiotic that I have to give him twice a day. He doesn't really like it, but he does let me open his mouth and squirt the medicine down his throat. Then he jumps down, gets a drink of water, then eats!

Now, for those who have noticed that this thread has definitely been hijacked: Which is better, another Class "D" Citizen's Radio Service "bashing" or a discussion on felines? That may take a minute, or two, to decide!

Glen, K9STH

[KA9VQF]

Well,..... I do sorta like cats.

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Aug. 21 2004,17:39)]AAO:

Rarely! But Arnie doesn't like to give me room at the AM position to operate! It disturbs his sleep.
He knows a good warm place to sleep when he finds one, doesn't he? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Aug. 21 2004,20:39)]Now, for those who have noticed that this thread has definitely been hijacked: Which is better, another Class "D" Citizen's Radio Service "bashing" or a discussion on felines? That may take a minute, or two, to decide!
So.... is this a new moderation technique we should be aware of? There are some who would consider the wholesale hijacking of threads to be rather catty. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,20:44)]Well,..... I do sorta like cats.
Good with mayo?

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (KB1GYQ @ Aug. 21 2004,17:48)]There are some who would consider the wholesale hijacking of threads to be rather catty. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ROWR! Hissssssssssss...

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[KB5WX]

Good with mayo ? Nah.... better with tobasco . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w5lda]

Ok,,
No more cat potty! right?
My last cat came from the steel mill where i work.It's mother got squished by a steel pallet
unbeknownst by the forklift driver,so i brought the kitten home in my shirt pocket and wifey went to the pet store and bought a little feeding bottle to feed it.She became one helluva good cat and never bothered anything,but after 8yrs with us she succumbed to a kidney disorder and passed away.You,know! I miss that cat.

kd5vsg

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Aug. 21 2004,11:45)]Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,14:31)]I understand they make execellent tacos.
Yes, they do!
I have finally given up trying to teach any of my cats to make even passable tacos. And they are a bit too messy in the kitchen anyway, though probably not as messy as I am when I make much better tacos.

At the moment, only Porky is featured on my web site, but I have two other indoor, neutered cats - just Porky is the most photogenic. But Porky cannot make a taco. He can, though, make a sizable amount of fried chicken disappear.

Ed

[KB5WX]

Gato burrito with pica de gayo on the side ... yum yum .

[KB1GYQ]

¡ gato joven con habanero fresco !

[KB5WX]

I hope ya got lots of suds to wash down the habanero !!!

[KB1GYQ]

Ya man, got some 18-20 proof ale for that.

[KB5WX]

GYQ,
sounds like ya got it goin on and under control . Outstanding !!!

[KA9VQF]

Quote[/b] (KB1GYQ @ Aug. 21 2004,20:06)]Ya man, got some 18-20 proof ale for that.
Is that stuff flammable?

[KB5WX]

Not flammable that I know of . But given enough habanero sauce beforehand can make for a rather volitile combination for the mornin after . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KA9VQF]

Yiieooieee!!

I'll bet.

If I'm thinking right those have a warning on top of the jar.

I stay away from those sort of things.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,23:20)]Quote[/b] (KB1GYQ @ Aug. 21 2004,20:06)]Ya man, got some 18-20 proof ale for that.
Is that stuff flammable?
Nah, you need around 80 proof for flambé.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 21 2004,23:24)]... habanero sauce ...
Who said anything about sauce... I like them fresh! Yum! ( don't touch your eyes though.... )

[KB5WX]

Oops . I missed out on that one . And you are very correct about the eyes too . Not to mention other unmentionable places as well . I grow my own jalepeno peppers here in Alabama . Great flavor and not nearly as intense as habaneros . I do use habaneros for cooking though . Habaneros are kinda like Bryl-Cream ..... a little dab'll do ya .

[w5alt]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 21 2004,23:24)]Not flammable that I know of . But given enough habanero sauce beforehand can make for a rather volitile combination for the mornin after . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
That's why one should always eat ice cream after the habaneros. The next day on the throne while passing the peppers you can say "Come on ice cream!"

Been there, done that ...

73,
Walt, W5ALT

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Aug. 21 2004,23:27)]Yiieooieee!!

I'll bet.

If I'm thinking right those have a warning on top of the jar.

I stay away from those sort of things.
Red Savina habanero are very nice, but the not quite as hot older cultivars are preferred for 'casual eating'.

If you're interested, pepper 'heat' is rated in 'Scoville units'. A pepper's rating is how many parts of slightly sweetened water must be added to one part of pepper extract to not be able to detect the heat. A common jalapeno is about 4,500 parts water to one part pepper extract to not detect it -- the Red Savina is up to 580,000 max.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 21 2004,23:42)]Habaneros are kinda like Bryl-Cream ..... a little dab'll do ya .
About one per bowl of chili is what I use.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Aug. 21 2004,23:48)]Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 21 2004,23:24)]Not flammable that I know of . But given enough habanero sauce beforehand can make for a rather volitile combination for the mornin after . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
That's why one should always eat ice cream after the habaneros. The next day on the throne while passing the peppers you can say "Come on ice cream!"

Been there, done that ...

73,
Walt, W5ALT
That's what the alcohol is for... actually a "screwdriver" or other such drink works very well - the heat is an alkali oil (if I remember right) - emulsible in alcohol and reactive with the acids in the citric fruit juice.

Been there, done that, and did it again.

[K9STH]

GYQ:

One habanero per bowl of chili. . . !! What is that bowl made out of? Tiles off of the space shuttle!

The last time I put any habanero in a whole pot of chili I only used about 1/4 of a very small habanero. That pot of chili was so hot that I had to eat handfuls of sugar after every spoonful.

By the way, the reason that chili peppers get hotter the more "ripe" they become is that the natural sugar in them gradually goes away as they ripen. Therefore, eating some sugar then taking just a little bit of water in the mouth to disolve the sugar will eliminate the "burning" sensation immediately. This is even faster than drinking milk.

Even my youngest daughter, who eats Thai food whenever she can, won't get near a habanero! This is the kid who, when she was less than two years old, noticed me eating some jalapaneo cheese on Ritz crackers. She started begging me for some. Since I really thought that she would take one bite, spit out the cheese and cracker, and not come back, I loaded down a cracker pretty heavily with the hot cheese mixture (hot as in "spicey"). She licked off the cheese and handed the cracker back to me for more! Ever since that day Wendy has wanted her food very spicey! Instead of doing away with her begging for the hot cheese, I created a monster!

Now, this thread has been hijacked again! Instead of CB problems we went to felines. Now we have abandoned felines and are discussing chili. What will the next subject be?

Glen, K9STH

[KA9VQF]

UFO's??

[KB5WX]

Glen,
What will the next subject be ? Who knows ? Who cares ? But ain't it fun to hijinx these threads ?

[KB5WX]

As an afterthought ...... even though I'm originaly from The Republic of Texas, I promise not to tell any Aggie jokes .
HAW !!!! OUT !!!!

[N7AAO]

I think the next subject should be the continued hijacking of threads. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Aug. 22 2004,00:47)]GYQ:

One habanero per bowl of chili. . . !! What is that bowl made out of? Tiles off of the space shuttle!Yup, one per bowl ... with a 16 ounce chaser .. bowls are normal ceramics - wait... that's what the tiles are made of. ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Quote[/b] ]... Even my youngest daughter, who eats Thai food whenever she can, won't get near a habanero! This is the kid who, when she was less than two years old, noticed me eating some jalapaneo cheese on Ritz crackers. She started begging me for some. Since I really thought that she would take one bite, spit out the cheese and cracker, and not come back, I loaded down a cracker pretty heavily with the hot cheese mixture (hot as in "spicey"). She licked off the cheese and handed the cracker back to me for more! Ever since that day Wendy has wanted her food very spicey! Instead of doing away with her begging for the hot cheese, I created a monster!


My father tried to use hot sauce like some use soap ... but I took a liking to the stuff. The most fun I've had was with the tex-mex biker bar across the street from a former place of employment... Being an "electronics geek" they didn't have much respect for me, but I still got food there for lunch - with peppers - so much that each forkful had about 4-5 slices of pepper. Well one day the cook rubbed his eye's after making my lunch, and had to take the rest of the day off. Man, I was respected there the next day!

Quote[/b] ]Now, this thread has been hijacked again! Instead of CB problems we went to felines. Now we have abandoned felines and are discussing chili. What will the next subject be?


Beats me, but eat enough of these and VQF's idea starts to make sense.

Or what about "Guatemalan Insanity Pepper" (http://www.doheth.co.uk/episodeguide/3f24.shtml) Do "Guatemalan Insanity Peppers" exist? (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=332912)

[K4JSR]

Senors! Thees thread has been hijacked! We are now
headed south of the border! (Not the one near Dillon, SC!)

So does this mean that CB stands for Chili Breath?

73, Cal K4JSR

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (K4JSR @ Aug. 21 2004,23:34)]So does this mean that CB stands for Chili Breath?
I thought it already did.

What we really need is for SY to share some of the wisdom of Charlie Chickenbander in this thread. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Yo, Steve,,,,,,,,

[KA9VQF]

My ‘lil sister has been growing her own peppers for years now. She grows jalapenos and some red ones that cook up into a really good spaghetti sauce.

A few years ago my younger brother brought over a tiny jar of Habaneros still sealed, with the warning on top and on the side label. He said one of the guys at work had brought a jar in and would eat them along with his lunch.

This particular day my sister was making chili anyway so she took one out of the jar cut it in two and put the smaller hunk in the chili.

We couldn’t eat the stuff. We added enough more ingredients to the pot to replace the five bowls we had tried and still it was too ‘hot’ for me.

The information about adding sugar is new to me and I will tell them about it. It may help the next batch.

I wound up taking the second bowl that I had tried home with me and put half of it in a batch of chili that I made at home and it was still more than my wife and kid could handle.

Seems like when I let the batch sit in the fridge over night it got stronger. I froze what was left and brought it to Field day a few weeks later. The guys ate it and it started a tradition of me bringing #chili to Field day for the overnight ops.

What I bring these days is very mild so I usually bring a jar of Halapenios with me so they can dose there own.

[N8CPA]

I'm sure both nate and Charlie have something to say about one of their favorite suppliers getting Riely's attention. Steve, start channelin'! [Please http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ]

[N7AAO]

This is ground control to Major Steve... oops, wrong name in that old song. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Aug. 22 2004,14:01)]I'm sure both nate and Charlie have something to say about one of their favorite suppliers getting Riely's attention. Steve, start channelin'! [Please http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ]
Talk about cats, peppers, or both in combination is better in my view...

[K9STH]

VQF:

I always add about 1/4 cup of sugar whenever I make chili. Well, chilie since I do put beans and tomato in my receipe. According to the "true" Texas receipe for chili "them that know beans about Texas chili know that the ain't no beans in Texas chili". Beans are supposedly served on the side! The sugar helps to take the bitterness out of either the chili peppers and/or the chili powder without taking much away (if any) from the spicey taste of the chili. However, if you add much more, then it does start having an effect on the "hotness".

Also, any chili that has tomatoes in it is called "Yankee chilie". Note the "e" at the end of the word!

A number of years ago there was actually a bill introduced into the Congress of the United States to declare chili (or chilie) the "national" food. Unfortunately, the bill never got out of committee since the actual receipe (in general) could not be agreed upon. The New Mexico delegation insisted that the receipe include beans and the Texas delegation insisted that the beans could not be included but must be served on the side!

Now, I definitely make "Yankee chilie" since I put both beans and tomatoes in my receipe. However, I use pinto beans and not red kidney beans like the receipe that they use at Wendy's Hamburgers. Also, I only use beef and not some of the exotic things that some people put in especially in the north-east. I can get away with this in Texas since I am not "native born"!

Glen, K9STH

[w5lda]

Boy!
You guys attention span is about this long
.First illegal radio sales to cats and now
chili and peppers.Where will we go next.:O

kd5vsg

[KB5WX]

VSG ,

Ain't no tellin where this bus is gonna end up . That's one of the really cool features about this board . When a thread gets hijinxed , there is no end to the possibilities .

[N7AAO]

What I like most about this place is that we can disagree on one thread, but move to another thread and those that disagreed are now agreeing on something else. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

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[w5alt]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 22 2004,20:42)]Ain't no tellin where this bus is gonna end up
I think we're all bozos on this bus!

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Aug. 22 2004,17:50)]Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 22 2004,20:42)]Ain't no tellin where this bus is gonna end up
I think we're all bozos on this bus!
I resemble that, now give me back my red nose! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KB5WX]

Just pass the Jim Beam if you please !

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 22 2004,18:11)]Just pass the Jim Beam if you please !
Okay, give me your car keys and Morse key first... friends don't let friends get on the air drunk. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (N7AAO @ Aug. 22 2004,21:12)]Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 22 2004,18:11)]Just pass the Jim Beam if you please !
Okay, give me your car keys and Morse key first... friends don't let friends get on the air drunk. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
NO! Drunk is the only way to operate CW!

[KB5WX]

I think maybe if I got smashed , I may not have as much "Lake Erie Swing" with this bug .

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 22 2004,18:17)]I think maybe if I got smashed , I may not have as much "Lake Eire Swing" with this bug .
I thought you only got "Lake Eire swing" if you got drunk on Guinness or Irish whiskey... or did you mean Lake Erie? ;) (Eire is how the Irish say "Ireland.")

[KB5WX]

OOPS ! Thanks for the correction , I'll have to fix that . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N7AAO]

Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 22 2004,18:22)]OOPS ! Thanks for the correction , I'll have to fix that . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Been hitting the Jim Beam already? ;)

[KB1GYQ]

Hic

[KB5WX]

up

[w5lda]

Ok
# Since i don't drink,Can i drive the bus?Always wanted to see how fast one of those
mutha's would run.

kd5vsg

[KA9VQF]

Have you seen the movie Speed?

Great flick I wonder if they jumped an actual bus or if it was CG. I have it on VHS but not on DVD so no special effects disk to see.

[w5lda]

Yep,saw the movie and editors tape.They used actual buses but a lot of special f/x.
Good movie.

kd5vsg

[KB1GYQ]

Forget the jump, that's all fx... smashing all those vehicles getting off the highway looked like loads of fun.

[KA9VQF]

So I was just setting here quietly sanding the rough skin on my legs {from my psoriasis} when my wife {she wont let me use the electric sander anymore} came in with her dads old telescope and said can you use this to see the meteors with? I mentioned that I was planning to lay out on the car and see how many rocks I could see burn for a while tonight.

Her dad died a few years ago and the telescope has been sitting on the back porch doing nothing. Boy is it dusty. I can’t see smeg through it. I washed it outside but I think I’m going to have to take it apart and see if I can get it cleaner.

It is a Tasco telescope. I was wondering if anyone knows if the Wal-mart specials have any gas in side or if it would be alright to just take it apart and clean the lenses?

I pretty well ruined my good binoculars by taking them apart a few years ago. I was lucky enough to find a fellow who knew how to put the gas back in for a reasonable price but he has moved away.

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Aug. 22 2004,20:50)]Quote[/b] (AI4FP @ Aug. 22 2004,20:42)]Ain't no tellin where this bus is gonna end up
I think we're all bozos on this bus!
THE FUTURE IS FUN!
(THE FUTURE IS FAIR)
YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE WON
(YOU MAY ALREADY BE THERE)

"You bet your roots, Toots; it's tons of fun."

Oh "those bozos you knows-os by their nose-os."

I haven't been on that bus for some time. #Thanks for the ride!

[w5lda]

GYQ
Actually the jump was not f/x but involved 4 identical buses before they got it right.

kd5vsg

[KB5WX]

regardless of the special effects , it was a good movie .

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (kd5vsg @ Aug. 23 2004,09:08)]GYQ
Actually the jump was not f/x but involved 4 identical buses before they got it right.

kd5vsg
you mean they actually jumped a 50 foot gap... on that they jumped a bus, and used camera shot sequences to make to look longer


in any event, I enjoyed the movie.

[w5lda]

GYQ

Yes they actually made the jump,finally.
Now can i drive the damn bus or not:p

kd5vsg

[AB8RU]

Noted this I was @ their web site 8AM to 5PM CST so thats the time zone that they are at, probably guessing not too far from some Truck Stop usually if they want business from the truckers I would guess that they would be near one.

[WA7KKP]

For everyone of these guys busted 10 will rise up to fill the void. It is the real Pandora's box of the FCC.

Gary WA7KKP

[K9STH]

KKP:

Yes, but it does the "heart" some real good to see one "bite the dust" every so often!

Besides, the additional 10 would have come about anyway and maybe seeing someone get their hands slapped might keep a few from even starting (I admit that a very few, but still a few).

Glen, K9STH

[K7JBQ]

Exactly. It's like taking drunks off the road. Of course there'll be another one coming down the road in a few minutes, but that's no reason not to cuff the first one.

73,
Bill