QRZ System Announcement [Archive]

AA7BQ

08-03-2004, 02:40 AM

This announcement applies to any registered user of the QRZ website
whose login username is NOT the same as their callsign. #If you login
using your callsign then the following does not apply to you.

Our policy regarding the selection of login names for the QRZ website
has not been changed in several years. #During this time, we've gained
a lot of practical experience on what works, what doesn't work, and
what should never work. #As a result of the combined experience of the
tireless volunteers who help maintain the site, we are implementing a
number of changes that will improve the overall level of service that
is provided by QRZ.

For several years, we have generally allowed users to choose any login
name that they may wish. #While the vast majority of users register
using their amateur radio callsign, there several thousand users
registered with "made up" names such as "radiowizard", or "RFDOC".

In order to let people choose arbitrary names, we were forced to
maintain a separate lookup registry that that would match these names
to the callsign(s) belonging to the same individual. #Over time, this
process has become difficult to manage and somewhat error prone.

Our experience has clearly shown that, all things being equal, a user's
callsign makes the best login id. #Despite this, however, we've always
made allowances for our users who are not licensed amateurs so that
they too could contribute to the richness of the site.

Another artifact of providing arbitrary user names is the
prospect of anonymity. #In other words, some folks who could just as
easily register using their amateur radio callsign, choose instead to
use a fake name as a means of concealing their identity.

Anonymity, however, has never been a goal of QRZ.COM. #Our Forums were
not created to provide anonymous screens for people to stand behind and
hurl libelous insults towards one another. #In fact, the vast majority
of so-called "bad apples" on our website have been among the ranks of
those who register without using a callsign and who use highly
suspicious anonymous mail services for their registration.

Today, our greatest workload in maintaining the site is the
administration of user names, accounts, and passwords. #The number of
"I can't login" emails that we get on a daily basis is both impressive
and frustrating. #It is especially prevalent among those users who
register multiple times (sometimes out of frustration) and in doing so
fail to realize that they are actually making things worse, not
better.

It may sound silly, but a fairly large percentage of our
users will write in complaining about problems and yet fail to identify
themselves. #No username, no callsign, nothing. #It should come as no
surprise that when this happens, we are unable to provide any helpful
assistance. #Our new policies seek to address these and similar issues
head-on.

We are issuing policy changes so that for the greater good, 1) fewer
users will experience problems, 2) users will have an easier time
obtaining help, and 3) that the overall website experience at QRZ will
be more pleasurable for all.

Here is a summary of the changes that are coming soon:

QRZ Website Policy Changes
-------------------------------------------------

1. Two Levels of Membership

# Henceforth, there will be two levels of membership on the QRZ
# website, members who are licensed amateurs (the HAM level) and those
# who are not (the GUEST level). #All In order to be registered as a
# member at the HAM level, your login ID must be your amateur radio
# callsign, and, that callsign must exist in our callsign database.

# You may have multiple callsigns however you may have only ONE login
# account. #You will still have the ability to manage all of your
# callsigns by using your one login account.

2. Privileges Associated with Membership Level

# HAM Level:
# # #Full read/write access to all public QRZ forums, plus the ability
# # #to make changes and/or additions to listings in our callsign
# # #database.

# GUEST Level:
# # #Full read access to all public QRZ forums. #Read/write access
# # #(i.e. the ability to post articles or comments) will be limited
# # #to the Help Forum, the For Sale Forums, and the Questions and
# # #Answers Forum. #No access to callsign database editing functions
# # #will be permitted.

3. Prohibited Activities

# We reserve the right to terminate the current and future membership
# status of any user who engages in the following:

# a. The registration of multiple login accounts for the
# # #purposes of deception, confusion, or otherwise attempting
# # #to conceal their identity.

# b. Any attempt to subvert or otherwise circumvent the security
# # #and access policies, rules, or mechanisms on this site for
# # #any purpose.

# c. The harassment of any user, staff member, or volunteer
# # #of this system.
#d. The use of any information derived from this website
# # #that contributes in any way to SPAM or unsolicited email
# # #of any kind.

# e. The posting of obscene or offensive material on the site.
# # #QRZ reserves the sole right to determine what is either
# # #obscene or offensive.

Other Notes
-------------------------------------------------

1. Conversion Plan

# Note that none of this affects you if you currently login using your
# official callsign as your login ID.

# Over the next few weeks, we will be assigning new login names to
# those current members who are apparently licensed amateurs. #The new
# name will be the same as the callsign that is listed in our database
# as the 'Primary Callsign' for that account. #Each user who is
# subjected to a name change will be notified via email at the address
# we have on file for that user. #Names that cannot be associated with
# a callsign will be assigned to the GUEST level of membership.

2. Membership Cleanup

# We will be cleaning out a bunch of old, unused login accounts. #Some
# haven't been used in years, and some were registered but never
# used. #Others have unusually long login names that are no longer
# practical to the operation of the website.

3. Upgrade of GUEST Accounts to HAM Accounts

# In order to upgrade from a GUEST account to a HAM account, the GUEST
# user must present a valid amateur radio callsign that is listed in
# our database. #For new USA callsigns, the information is
# automatically added to our database on a daily basis.

# Holders of non-USA callsigns that are not listed in our database may
# have their callsign added by any current HAM member. #A list of
# volunteer HAM members will be posted on the site who will be
# available to add non-US (DX) callsigns to the database so that a
# non-US GUEST member may be upgraded to a HAM member.

# All new callsigns added to the database must, at a minimum, include
# the amateur's name and sufficient QSL information to contact the
# individual.

# If you are a licensed amateur and would like to volunteer to help
# non-listed non-USA (or Canada) amateurs input their callsign info
# into the system, please send an email to editor@qrz.com.

Thank you for your time and your understanding. #We hope that these
changes will improve the website for everybody.

73,

-fred #AA7BQ

N5PVL

08-03-2004, 02:58 AM

I think you are on the right track, and that your new policy will make things better and more fun.

I know that this was not something done on a sudden whim, but rather to resolve a question that you guys have been considering for some time.

This kind of decision is never easy, but you guys took the bull by the horns and did it anyway. Good for you, I say!

Charles, N5PVL

wr1tx

08-03-2004, 03:00 AM

I think that will take care of many, but not all, of the problems QRZ users have had with those who wish to conceal their identity and maliciously harass legitimate users.

I'm for the policy changes; I just wish they happened sooner.

N4ADO

08-03-2004, 03:06 AM

Sounds Good to Me!

73, N4ADO

na4it

08-03-2004, 03:16 AM

I agree with your decisions except for one...for the supposed user who tries to join using someone elses callsign...bar the user from ever using the site.

I think people expect hams to be "above board", and I think they should get what they expect.

K8YS

08-03-2004, 03:57 AM

now, thats one way to SKIN A TROLL!

n9vo

08-03-2004, 04:30 AM

Nice touch! Hope it works well.

kg4lvo

08-03-2004, 04:37 AM

I think that this should have been done a long time ago, but I know that yall have a lot to do, to keep up this site. #I am glad to say that yall do a great job with the site. #Keep up the good work.

KG4LVO # Edwin

n2lwl

08-03-2004, 04:45 AM

I would suggest that a process be mapped out for upgrades and vanity callsign changes. The help forum also needs to be policed better, as there are some very old pleas for help that apparently have never been fixed. I'm glad that there will be some positive changes on QRZ, and thank you all for your hard work.

w7xf

08-03-2004, 04:50 AM

This sounds like one of the best ideas. Also, you may want to consider requiring the use of high-level e-mail addresses (i.e. the ACTUAL ISP; do not accept the likes of Hotmail, Yahoo mail, et. al. email addresses) for post access (this will put a major dent in the ability to create numerous accounts).

Just my $0.02 worth. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WA5KRP

08-03-2004, 05:08 AM

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/ups/the_turtle/supasmsm0.gif Your effusive issuance of common sense leaves me feeling like a deer caught in headlights.

WA5KRP
Texas

kj5t

08-03-2004, 05:23 AM

First let me say that you guys are on the right track, I hope that this helps to reduce the number or spamming and flames against members, and bring a more orderly ham radio forum.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This sounds like one of the best ideas. Also, you may want to consider requiring the use of high-level e-mail addresses (i.e. the ACTUAL ISP; do not accept the likes of Hotmail, Yahoo mail, et. al. email addresses) for post access (this will put a major dent in the ability to create numerous accounts).

Just my $0.02 worth. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I don't agree with you on this, my email addy is kd5owo@arrl.net, but it goes to kd5owo@yahoo.co.uk I woul rather give out some yahoo account then my main ISP account. For security purposes, it is best to only give our your Acutal ISP email address to close-friends and family.

Also a lot of people use Yahoo and Hotmail, because they are free and you can check your mail anywhere.

Its just not a good idea to block people with Hotmail and Yahoo accounts..

wq7j

08-03-2004, 08:10 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5OWO @ Aug. 03 2004,00:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also a lot of people use Yahoo and Hotmail, because they are free and you can check your mail anywhere. #

Its just not a good idea to block people with Hotmail and Yahoo accounts..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Especially for those who don't actually have a ISP for whatever reason, and use web-based accounts for quick access from work, school or a library.
This new plan should work out pretty good overall, and help bring a bit more order out of the occaisional chaos that erupts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

K3EKO

08-03-2004, 08:43 AM

I would have to agree with Fred on this one...Keep up the good work, QRZ!

73

Frank K3EKO

m0dhs

08-03-2004, 09:30 AM

One way to get shut of the Brits. I myself asked for my personal details to be kept out of the Amateur call book. We have always had this option in the UK. I will give you one reason why I did this.

Imagine talking to friends on the air, hf vhf what ever, and you are all talking about your equipment. "I have a Kenwood this Kenwood that" then you go to sleep. Time to get up and what do you find when going down into the shack? Yes it has been robbed!!! It happens. We are a small Island and are in driving distance to all corners within a few hours. If you give out your details it can be used in this way and other criminal ways.

The system of not giving the option to with-hold details in America may work because of how large the USA is and this problem would not raise its head as much. When 40/80m is open we can talk all over the UK and although we like to think all amateurs are not criminals it is not the case, some are crooks!!

So I will not be putting my details in the QRZ DB so I guess I will not be able to use QRZ when this takes affect. I have also noticed many UK amateurs choose not to put there details in the db also.

Do we have to put our address in the db??

K4YZ

08-03-2004, 09:42 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (m0dhs @ Aug. 03 2004,04:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Imagine talking to friends on the air, hf vhf what ever, and you are all talking about your equipment. "I have a Kenwood this Kenwood that" then you go to sleep. Time to get up and what do you find when going down into the shack? Yes it has been robbed!!! It happens. We are a small Island and are in driving distance to all corners within a few hours. If you give out your details it can be used in this way and other criminal ways.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sorry to hear that such theft is rampant elsewhere, but I doubt that telling someone on the air what gear you have would be the key to a robbery...More like some punk driving by and seeing a non-TV antenna on the house.

As for QRZ's actions, I say BRAVO!

I'd go for one more step...On the home page, put a link to show those persons who have been removed for cause and why. If "asking nicely" isn't effort enough to get these ner-do-well's to behave, perhaps some peer pressure (or threat of it...) might help.

I for one deeply appreciate the FREE services that Fred & Co provide, and if some blockhead wants to violate that gesture, they should be equally rewarded~!

73

Steve, K4YZ

08-03-2004, 11:55 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (m0dhs @ Aug. 03 2004,09:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So I will not be putting my details in the QRZ DB so I guess I will not be able to use QRZ when this takes affect. I have also noticed many UK amateurs choose not to put there details in the db also.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Another Brit here! We should not be forced to give our addresses, but we should have to give our E-Mail. When registering, an E-Mail should be sent to that address with a link to a page where a code must be entered to complete registering. The code would be in the E-Mail sent. I have seen on this on sites before. Just a thought...

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Before this discussion gets out of hand, let me say that we will not be requiring a precise physical address. We only require some form of positive contact info so that we can reach you if necessary. It would also be okay to post the address of a friend, a QSL Buro, or a PO box. I want this to be as flexible as possible and still provide some sort of security for QRZ too!
-fred AA7BQ
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ws4y

08-03-2004, 12:10 PM

I'm sure this is necessary. #I have always enjoyed
this site and expect the changes you are making
will make it even better. #Good luck with it and 73.
Bill, WS4Y

W0LC

08-03-2004, 12:18 PM

Welcome the refreshing changes!!!

Are you also in need of donations? I know that donations were requested in the past, but just curious about these changes and any need for monetary funds.

n9yb

08-03-2004, 12:23 PM

Thank you for your continued efforts to provide a community for us!

K8YS

08-03-2004, 12:50 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (m0dhs @ Aug. 02 2004,03:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One way to get shut of the Brits. I myself asked for my personal details to be kept out of the Amateur call book. We have always had this option in the UK. I will give you one reason why I did this.

Imagine talking to friends on the air, hf vhf what ever, and you are all talking about your equipment. "I have a Kenwood this Kenwood that" then you go to sleep. Time to get up and what do you find when going down into the shack? Yes it has been robbed!!! It happens. We are a small Island and are in driving distance to all corners within a few hours. If you give out your details it can be used in this way and other criminal ways.

The system of not giving the option to with-hold details in America may work because of how large the USA is and this problem would not raise its head as much. When 40/80m is open we can talk all over the UK and although we like to think all amateurs are not criminals it is not the case, some are crooks!!

So I will not be putting my details in the QRZ DB so I guess I will not be able to use QRZ when this takes affect. I have also noticed many UK amateurs choose not to put there details in the db also.

Do we have to put our address in the db??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
DHS:

There has never been DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that ANY ONE has been ripped off due to a "callbook" reference.

I use QRZ, the QRZ CD collection, and the FCC when I am on the air. Most civilized nations publish Amateur call data, and when I am on the air, my logging program searches for the call data. If it is not found, I sign off and mark it in the log as a "SLIM"...

So, since the UK publishes call data, and if you are not in QRZ.com, I would not work you.

WM5Z

08-03-2004, 12:59 PM

I for one agree with this rules change. I feel that those who are willing to show who they are will be less likely to post garbage. I am in favor of your rules change.

n4zou

08-03-2004, 01:00 PM

Thank you!
Do not block so called "Free" email accounts like Hotmail and Yahoo. They also offer services you pay for and Netzero is still considered a free Internet service (at 10 hours a month it's really not free) and considered the same as Hotmail and Yahoo. The problem is I use Netzero, it's the best Internet service provider I have ever used, it's cheap, no credit card required, I just pay up front for one-year's service. I have only one POP email account and I will not post it anywhere so I use Hotmail and Yahoo and when the Spam gets to the point that it's no longer usable I simply quit checking it and give my new address to my list of friends. If you block "Free" services you block me as well! I know I am not the only person that operates this way.

nb2e

08-03-2004, 01:22 PM

Fred:

I think it's a great idea and I fully support you as QRZ.com makes this transition. If you need anything or are looking for a volunteer to help with the transition feel free to contact me. Also, when it comes to adding entries to the qrz.com database, perhaps the callsign should not actually be added until the person hits the submit button on the submission form (As opposed to immediately when the "Add #to the QRZ.com database" button is clicked.

M0DHS:

I was not aware that posting a physical or postal address was a requirement to having your callsign listed on QRZ.com. Also, it appears that due to the fact that I clicked the "Add M0DHS to our database" button, in order to determine what the minimum contact information was, that I've accidentally added a blank entry. Perhaps Fred would allow you to fill in your information and leave the postal address blank.

73'
NB2E, Ric Letson

n0ov

08-03-2004, 01:29 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (m0dhs @ Aug. 02 2004,03:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One way to get shut of the Brits. I myself asked for my personal details to be kept out of the Amateur call book. We have always had this option in the UK. I will give you one reason why I did this.

Imagine talking to friends on the air, hf vhf what ever, and you are all talking about your equipment. "I have a Kenwood this Kenwood that" then you go to sleep. Time to get up and what do you find when going down into the shack? Yes it has been robbed!!! It happens. We are a small Island and are in driving distance to all corners within a few hours. If you give out your details it can be used in this way and other criminal ways.

The system of not giving the option to with-hold details in America may work because of how large the USA is and this problem would not raise its head as much. When 40/80m is open we can talk all over the UK and although we like to think all amateurs are not criminals it is not the case, some are crooks!!

So I will not be putting my details in the QRZ DB so I guess I will not be able to use QRZ when this takes affect. I have also noticed many UK amateurs choose not to put there details in the db also.

Do we have to put our address in the db??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sounds like the Brits have this one right. #I personally believe the privacy option is a good thing.

Just out of curiousity -- do you exchange QSL cards? #If so, what method do you use to receive the cards?

-------------------
Fred & the QRZ Team -- well done. #This seems like a very balanced response to several real world issues.

I especially like the options you are putting in place to have non-amateurs (and those not in the FCC database) limited access -- I may not agree with everything they say, but I always try to consider what they have to say. #

Thanks for keeping the options open to learn something new!

KD4CXG

08-03-2004, 02:02 PM

I like the thought of using the call signs. We use them on the air why not here. Good Job!!

Doug
www.KD4CXG.com

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

k1lwi

08-03-2004, 02:08 PM

well fred keep up the good work sound ok to me 73 wendell k1lwi # # # # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

kf6vvp

08-03-2004, 02:15 PM

total B.S.

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Editorial Note:

This user was not Banned because of this posting. His account was deactivated at his own request.

-fred AA7BQ

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kc0nyk

08-03-2004, 02:24 PM

I have always believed that if you don't have the personal integrity to sign your name and call sign to a comment, you should keep your mouth shut. Good move QRZ!

James Tuggle
kc0nyk, Elk Falls, KS
AEC ARES/SKYWARN
SATERN Member

W2CZ

08-03-2004, 02:40 PM

Bravo!

AD7DG

08-03-2004, 02:42 PM

Nice job. #Hope this accomplishes what you want it to. #I enjoy reading the positive comments left, but get tired of reading the bickering and attacking comments. #I agree, we use the calls on the air, why not here. #Be proud of what you write...... 73, #AD7DG

W0LC

08-03-2004, 02:54 PM

Since, afterall, this is an amateur radio related website and forum, then why should it be such a big issue that if you want to post, you use your callsign? What do you use when you are on the air?

Or perhaps, that might explain some of the unidentified signals and voices I hear on top of nets, DX stations, etc.

If you don't want to use your callsign, then why bother posting here?

NY7Q

08-03-2004, 03:13 PM

IT'S ABOUT TIME...GOOD MOVE

kd8zp

08-03-2004, 03:29 PM

Looks like it has to be done. Still, I miss the guy who posted as a CB'er. That was funny, I thought. Carry on!

k4kyv

08-03-2004, 03:59 PM

I give my ISP email address very sparingly. #So far, very little spam. #For general correspondence I mostly use Hotmail for BB's and reflectors, with one or two on Yahoo. #For a while I was getting close to 100 spam messages on Hotmail every day and it became a real pain to sort through to find real mail. #I was #considering changing the security settings to accept messages only from addresses in my adr book or safe list, but about then Hotmail made a drastic improvement in their spam filter. #I have it set to the next-to-highest security, short of accepting only from approved lists, and I have spam deleted immediately instead of going to the junk folder. #Now I rarely see a spam message, but anyone can send me mail and I usually get it.

I set my Yahoo account the same way. #I also #have a Myway account which I rarely use, and so far have never recieved a spam msg on that one.

A few days ago I checked my callsign on QRZ.com. #I noticed there was a link to a detailed map to my QTH. #I am not paranoid about posting my street and mailing address, and describing my equipment over the air, but I was concerned about the map link. #Open invitation to theft or vandalism from burglars or some disgruntled individual. #I requested that the map link be removed, and last time I checked it wasn't there. #Of course the map data can be looked up on numerous websites, but that at least makes it a little more work and doesn't plant the idea in someone's #head right on the spot.

AE7Q

08-03-2004, 04:08 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n2lwl @ Aug. 02 2004,21:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would suggest that a process be mapped out for upgrades and vanity callsign changes.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree; I got caught by this a few months ago when I received a new vanity callsign: I repeatedly updated my info, only to have it revert each time to the previous amateur's comment/description field a few hours later. An eMail to Fred solved the problem; he sent back a form eMail detailing that he had updated my login to the new callsign.

The fact that Fred had a form eMail for this, indicates to me that this has been a common problem.

I support the new policies; the biggest problem on almost all Internet forums is the anonymous poster who thinks he has a right to flame others anonymously, in direct defiance of forum rules. Such people can parrot the phrase "free speech" but have no comprehension of the concept or laws behind it. In fact, when such posters are banned, some of them even have the audacity to then go complain about it on the newsgroups (example available upon request).

kc4wms

08-03-2004, 04:22 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BRAVO and KUDOS!

08-03-2004, 04:28 PM

I have been having a debate with myself about this.

Finally decided.

I am completely in FAVOUR of this policy.

73, Marty WB2RJR

WB2RJR

08-03-2004, 04:30 PM

I have been having a debate with myself about this.

Finally decided.

I am completely AGAINST this policy.

73, Marty WB2RJR

KD5SYH

08-03-2004, 04:36 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k7kwh @ Aug. 02 2004,21:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This sounds like one of the best ideas. #Also, you may want to consider requiring the use of high-level e-mail addresses (i.e. the ACTUAL ISP; do not accept the likes of Hotmail, Yahoo mail, et. al. email addresses) for post access (this will put a major dent in the ability to create numerous accounts).

Just my $0.02 worth. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
OK, well how about those of us who only have a hotmail account?

(nospam)FCeagle@hotmail.com(nospam)

Thats the only email account that I have. So what, jsut becauee I use a free email service I can'tpost on QRZ.com? This has happened to me at only one other board throughout the timethat I've used the internet, and it fustrated me a great deal. They eventualy changed their policy after getting many, many emails from me and others that depend on "free" email servers.

Take that idea....<edited for content>, because I can guarentee that I'm not gonna let it happen again!

TNX & 73's,
Fabian X.C.S.
KD5SYH

08-03-2004, 04:41 PM

The callsign I am posting under is no longer my current
callsign, I have a different one now. My requests to have
my logon changed to my current callsign have been ignored.
What happens when the changover takes place?

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Editor's Comment:

That's a great question. Although I can't say why your request has not been received by our editors, I will note that our upcoming changes are designed in part to prevent this sort of problem. I looked at your registration info and it was apparent that your callsign had changed. When I do the cut-over, I'll be using a program to detect this situation and send out a notice email to users whose login names have been changed to reflect their current callsign. Of course it is imperative that your registration email address be up-to-date because otherwise you won't be able to receive your new login info should you be affected by this reorg.

Incidentally, about 100 login accounts on the system have NO email address associated with them. These accounts will be deleted during the upgrade process.

I already corrected your login name by hand, by the way, so you're all set.

Finally, always make sure that any email to the editors @ qrz contains the keyword 'callsign'. This will guarantee delivery of your message past the anti-spam filter. Just say something in your message like: "my callsign is xx9xxx" and you're good to go.

cheers,

-fred AA7BQ

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W8VIJ

08-03-2004, 05:34 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif FB on the tune up!

KB2KAB

08-03-2004, 05:47 PM

THANK YOU FRED! THAT IS THE BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD IN A LONG TIME. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

N7AAO

08-03-2004, 06:11 PM

My $0.02 worth...

First $0.01 worth: Please don't restrict Yahoo or other free e-mail accounts... I use Yahoo primarily because of its spam-catching ability... it catches about 90% of the spam I get, and sticks it in a handy "bulk mail" folder where I can delete it easily.

Second $0.01 worth: For those Brits that don't want to be listed, tough. We have had enough trolls around here, and if there is an exception for British callsigns, we will have dozens of trolls using fake British callsigns to sign up. There simply has to be some way of verifying that a person is truly a licensed amateur.

KI4DYA

08-03-2004, 08:27 PM

Cool!

This will get rid of all the sniping, backbiting, vitriolic insults, hatred...

Oh wait, most of that comes from the regulars who post under their calls anyway.

Really, compare the number of 'anonymous' trolls next to the number of hateful posts by licensed amateurs.

Whatever, as long as you have something to pat yourself on the back about in the mornings.

WD8OQX

08-03-2004, 08:44 PM

Please let me say 1st that I really like this site. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here or come back.

I feel that this is your site & you have the right to run it as you see fit - even if I (or anyone else for that matter)don't agree. (so far, what I don't agree with is small stuff that really isn't worth mentioning - so I won't)

I think you all do a real good job considering what goes on, on this & most sites. Thanks for the work you all do to keep this site one of the best.

2nd-ly I will comply with whatever rules you all come up with & if I can't I'll graciously leave with no hard feelings. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

73 - WD8OQX - Tim

w8rca

08-03-2004, 08:46 PM

BRAVO.....YIPPIE.....GREAT....THANKS SO MUCH...YOU MADE MY DAY!!!!
Best Regards,
Greg W8RCA

KG4ROL

08-03-2004, 09:30 PM

Totally agree on this issue. Plain and Simple.

73,

Chris, KG4ROL

KJ7XJ

08-03-2004, 11:03 PM

Fred -

I am pleased to hear about the change. I am all for using your earned callsign to post messages. After all this IS a HAM radio message board. I am sorry that some users may have issues with their email addresses. Hopfully this will be one of the bugs that will be worked out over time.
Eric http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KC5SAS

08-03-2004, 11:11 PM

As long as the Yahoo and Hotmail accounts, which I use exclusively, are allowed I'm on board with the change. Good Luck.

ag4hy

08-03-2004, 11:15 PM

fred;aa7bq
thanks so very much.nice to see it happening after so long.

W7RJR

08-03-2004, 11:35 PM

I am very pleased with the decision and the policy change. Thanks! #73

W0FS

08-03-2004, 11:39 PM

Very welcome change, Fred. I hope it accomplishes the goals you had in mind. Thanks for a very enjoyable web site and your efforts. # #73, #Clay #WØFS

KB9KLC

08-03-2004, 11:49 PM

Very good change. Keep up the good work.......

KG4OOA

08-04-2004, 12:15 AM

Ditto, I'm all for it. I'm just surprised that the trolls haven't cried out in pain.

k4uug

08-04-2004, 12:48 AM

That should keep the trolls out! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Good Idea thanks!

N8CP

08-04-2004, 01:02 AM

Sounds good too me, Keep up the good work.

# # # N8CP

K7NIK

08-04-2004, 01:06 AM

Great idea Fred, tnks for running a well organized site for the Ham Community, you new format is excellent... way to go...Bravo !!!!

73,
K7NIK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

k7peh

08-04-2004, 01:18 AM

Great Idea...

But, my log in is my old call, KD7ZVB, and I would like to change this to my new vanity call of K7PEH.

How do I do this?

All my attempts to try and change my name or re-register fails because I am using the same e-mail address and I do not want to change e-mails just to make this work.

So, if possible could someone tell me how to do this. I am replying to this posted message because I have sent quite a few e-mails that I have never had any replies.

phil

k8uh

08-04-2004, 01:31 AM

How much does all this website cost me? $0.00 #Thanks for all the hard work you've put into it. #It is appreciated.

AA7BQ

08-04-2004, 01:32 AM

Changing your Login Name:

Currently, the only way to do this is to send an email to the editor@qrz.com and make the request. We would allow folks to do it themselves, if we could trust everybody. Sadly, there are way too many people out there who would abuse the privilege. I won't go into the detail, but allowing people to change ID's themselves could create havoc.

The good news is that the new software, which I've been writing, will do a much better job of just "figuring it out" and making the changes automatically from the FCC database. So, if you can't login with your old call, you should probably try the new one.

I hope to have all this working in the next week or so.

-fred

N8PU

08-04-2004, 01:33 AM

Fred, I agree that something had to be done; I applaud you for taking action.

I also have a question for you Fred, when I try to change my email address that I originally registered with to the one I that I do check daily I get the message, “That email address cannot be used as it is already in our records

You are currently logged in as N8PU”

When I registered with QRZ, Yahoo allowed POP email, but they haven’t offered it for free for some time, so I switched to one I use now. I take it I can’t do the switch myself.

w7jk

08-04-2004, 02:35 AM

I support this plan 100% keep up the good work.

Thanks,

Jack, W7JK

KB1GHC

08-04-2004, 02:38 AM

sounds good, i think registering w/ your call is good. it keeps site security strong.

at least with callsigns, you know who the person is (or at least who it SHOULD be) and i like QRZ.com's human help, like if you loose your password, it's actually handled by a person.

73' de Steve, KB1GHC

k9jdk

08-04-2004, 02:56 AM

Plan sounds good to me. #Thanks.

N7AAO

08-04-2004, 03:17 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8uh @ Aug. 03 2004,18:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How much does all this website cost me? $0.00 Thanks for all the hard work you've put into it. It is appreciated.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, next payday I plan on donating a bit to good old Fred to help with the cost of this change... and if it isn't costing that much, he can use it to pay for the coffee he is using staying up nites figuring out how to do this. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

wd5kca

08-04-2004, 03:23 AM

Yawn...
I don't really care....
You make the rules...I either follow them or go elswhere.

End of story...yawn...don't bother me while I sleep.

wd5kca

Why do I have to id on a silly web page?

KD5INM

08-04-2004, 04:42 AM

I think it's a good idea, Thanks to the staff of QRZ for all their hard work and the owners for providing this excellent website.

John kd5inm

N3NOP

08-04-2004, 12:41 PM

I think it is a great idea. I will stop the nonsense. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

DL2LFH

08-04-2004, 12:42 PM

I'd like to suggest that "registered" SWLs, i.e. those who have got unique SWL numbers or "callsigns" from the organizations they belong to, should also get the HAM user status.
Another comment: Somebody asked how British hams get their QSL cards. Simple. The UK (like many other countries) has a bureau which also distributes domestic QSL cards, and any holder of a British callsign may leave franked envelopes with the manager for his/her callsign series (although only RSGB members may use the outgoing bureau, the ingoing one is open to everybody). So, there is no real need for one's address to be in the callbook. There are many entries which consist only of the callsign, maybe the name, and the comment "details witheld".

wb9hnj

08-04-2004, 12:45 PM

Its just like the BBS days Fred...those folks with the most to hide will bitch the loudest...folks with nothing to hide wont even notice. Good job!

WB7RBN

08-04-2004, 01:30 PM

I agree with your decision. #This is a ham radio site so ham calls should be used as the login name. #Makes it a lot easier. #One other thing I would like to see administered is a restriction on the swap page to keep people from advertising to look on ebay for their equipment that is for sale. #Putting links to ebay is not advertising your equipment. #The swap page should be for selling, trading or wanting ham radio equipment not a place to advertise for ebay.

Jim

W4OAE

08-04-2004, 01:40 PM

I agree with your very timely and well thought out decision. Thanks to the staff of QRZ for all the hard work for providing this excellent website. I support this plan 100%. #

73 Sam #W4OAE

ki6lo

08-04-2004, 04:58 PM

Kudos!!!!! I totally agree with your stance on anonymity. There is a place and time for it but if you are going to debate someone mono-y-mono, your opponent should have the courtesy of knowing who you are. Also with you ID present, it tends to filter the tone down to a respectable level.

Keep up the EXCELLENT work.

73

Gene KI6LO
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

kc7jty

08-04-2004, 06:08 PM

How about a 4 level of privledge structure where the levels are divided up according to sucessfully passed code speed tests? (The level 1's will have all level privs etc).
Level 1: 20 wpm
2: 13 wpm
3: 5 wpm
4: no coders
This will tend to concentrate the riff raff towards the higher numbers. It might not be perfect but I'm sure it will be pleasing to many.

N7AAO

08-04-2004, 06:18 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ Aug. 04 2004,11:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How about a 4 level of privledge structure where the levels are divided up according to sucessfully passed code speed tests? (The level 1's will have all level privs etc).
# # # # #Level 1: 20 wpm
# # # # # # # # #2: 13 wpm
# # # # # # # # #3: #5 wpm
# # # # # # # # #4: #no coders
This will tend to concentrate the riff raff towards the higher numbers. It might not be perfect but I'm sure it will be pleasing to many.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Something tells me a certain Technician-class licensee is going to get a "nasty-gram" from Fred. (Would that be a Fred-gram?)

K4TLS

08-04-2004, 06:20 PM

awesome ideas...this is a website by and for hams and the removal of the veil of anonymity will result in a higher level of civility and discourse.

Bravo!

--Steve

k6br

08-04-2004, 06:44 PM

Not to soon for me.

Mike AB6WN

WS2L

08-04-2004, 07:32 PM

Excellent idea, hopefully it will help keep the trolls under raps, thank you for all the hard work you put into this wonderful site.

nf7r

08-04-2004, 08:39 PM

Fred,
# Good move, and much appreciated!
As for the few "off topic" posts...we should remember the old truism: #

# "Never wrestle with a pig, you just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it!"

# 73,
Don NF7R

zl1byz

08-04-2004, 09:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k7kwh @ Aug. 01 2004,22:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This sounds like one of the best ideas. #Also, you may want to consider requiring the use of high-level e-mail addresses (i.e. the ACTUAL ISP; do not accept the likes of Hotmail, Yahoo mail, et. al. email addresses) for post access (this will put a major dent in the ability to create numerous accounts).

Just my $0.02 worth. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't think this email idea is workable. #Couple of considerations. An email address is not mandatory, some may not have an email address or not wish to publish it. #I might sugest if you go down this route you will end up with more who do not publish it. You may not have an actual ISP, there fore no actual ISP email account. #I use an email address that is provided by our national association here in ZL. #Now I'm not trying to hide anything. #I do this because it uses my call as part of it and the other part is common to all other ZL amateurs who use this service. #So it is easy for people to cotton on to, less mistakes. #It advertises that I am a member of our association. #Lastly it gives me an email address that can be published and remain constant even if I change my ISP.

I think the callsign login is a great idea. #I have always used mine anyway. #Lack of reason or imagination to use any thing else hi hi.

Cherrs, John.

WY0G

08-04-2004, 11:27 PM

Thank You, Great Idea, Good Job,
I Enjoy QRZ

wo0g Gene http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ke7mbl

08-04-2004, 11:40 PM

I for one am for it. I have always used my callsign to log-
in on the site and nothing else.

w4dlh

08-05-2004, 01:30 AM

Way to go!
KG4GTQ

kc2kvz

08-05-2004, 02:10 AM

Well done!

73de kc2kvz
Charlie

N7VQM

08-05-2004, 02:23 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k7kwh @ Aug. 02 2004,21:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, you may want to consider requiring the use of high-level e-mail addresses (i.e. the ACTUAL ISP; do not accept the likes of Hotmail, Yahoo mail, et. al. email addresses)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'll have to be the next in line to disagree with this. #My DSL contract doesn't include e-mail and my employer strictly forbids the use of my work e-mail account for anything other than work (The fact that I have only receive maybe 4 e-mails from QRZ is beside the point). #Not being able to use a free email provider for my contact address would lock myself and many others out. #Also, there are still people in the world who access the 'net through a local a Freenet node or library and don't get anything but web access.

n2rxk

08-05-2004, 02:57 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Thank God!!! (and QRZ). It's about time this becomes a truly Amateur Radio environment. Thanks QRZ....
73 de Bob N2RXK

kf4vgx

08-05-2004, 04:29 AM

Man , that just's cuts the cheese . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

I logged in with my proper call sign from day one.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
With Respect Fred !
73 KF4VGX

AB9IW

08-05-2004, 06:27 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd5kca @ Aug. 03 2004,20:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yawn...
I don't really care....
You make the rules...I either follow them or go elswhere.

End of story...yawn...don't bother me while I sleep.

wd5kca

Why do I have to id on a silly web page?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You don't. But some of us might miss you if you stayed away. <G>

w8ob

08-05-2004, 10:35 AM

This is great news. One more suggestion since this is a ham radio forum limit the topics to that. I and others are getting tired of endless political rants and other trash postings. I mean there are plenty of other forum sites on the net that cater to Politics and weapons. I guess the old saying "give em a inch and they will take a mile" is true.

n0ov

08-05-2004, 01:37 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8ob @ Aug. 04 2004,04:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is great news. One more suggestion since this is a ham radio forum limit the topics to that. I and others are getting tired of endless political rants and other trash postings. I mean there are plenty of other forum sites on the net that cater to Politics and weapons. I guess the old saying "give em a inch and they will take a mile" is true.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Can agree with that -- or maybe make a separate talk forum for non-amateur topics. (Original suggestion will cost less $$$ )

w4fjf

08-05-2004, 04:14 PM

NON HAMS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER WITH THEIR FULL NAMES AND THEIR LEGAL ADDRESS SO THAT THE STAFF KNOWS WHO IS USING THE SITE. AN ACCESS CODE SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THEM SO WHEN THEY LOG IN THE CODE WILL ASSURE THAT THEY ARE A PROPERLY APPROVED USER OF THE SITE. OUR HAM CALLSIGNS IDENTIFY US RIGHT DOWN TO OUR STREET ADDRESSES. WHY SHOULD ANYONE BE ANONYMOUS? I AGREE THAT NON HAMS ACCESS TO THE DIFFERENT FORUMS SHOULD BE RESTRICTED. THERE HAS BEEN TOO MUCH ABUSE OF THIS SITE, AND IT SHOULD BE STOPPED. WHY SHOULD A HAM OR NON - HAM REDUCE THE ENJOYMENT WE EXPERIENCE USING THIS SITE? THE STAFF OF QRZ SHOULD EXERCISE MORE CONTROL OVER OFFENSIVE USERS(A NO TOLERANCE POLICY). ONE OBVIOUSLY ABUSIVE POST AGAINST ANOTHER USER SHOULD GUARANTEE BEING BARRED FROM USING QRZ. NO SECOND CHANCES. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

kc7jty

08-05-2004, 07:19 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ Aug. 04 2004,11:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ Aug. 04 2004,11http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How about a 4 level of privledge structure where the levels are divided up according to sucessfully passed code speed tests? (The level 1's will have all level privs etc).
# # # # #Level 1: 20 wpm
# # # # # # # # #2: 13 wpm
# # # # # # # # #3: #5 wpm
# # # # # # # # #4: #no coders
This will tend to concentrate the riff raff towards the higher numbers. It might not be perfect but I'm sure it will be pleasing to many.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Something tells me a certain Technician-class licensee is going to get a "nasty-gram" from Fred. (Would that be a Fred-gram?)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'll let you know when it comes in.

wc4r

08-05-2004, 07:25 PM

Good work. Nothing like a good "spring cleaning".

vk4xjb

08-05-2004, 10:57 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka2hlw @ Aug. 06 2004,02:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OUR HAM CALLSIGNS IDENTIFY US RIGHT DOWN TO OUR STREET ADDRESSES.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Mine doesn't.

When adding overseas callsigns how much checking is going to be done? I know there is a vk4 call in the qrz database that has not been licenced for 3 years. If there is one there could be more. At least 1 call that was added to the qrz database by someone trying to cause trouble elsewhere and using his entry in qrz to try making himself look legitimate.

If you ever want to check an Australian callsign http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/register_search.main_page is usefull.

KC8TCQ

08-05-2004, 11:40 PM

Bravo Fred http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

There is already too many anon trolls posting in the radio groups on usenet w/o having to deal with them here. I applaud your efforts, as well as your fantastic site.

73 de Keith

k0ru

08-06-2004, 02:44 AM

Thank You.

73 - W8YRB - Rob

wd5kca

08-06-2004, 03:42 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka2hlw @ Aug. 05 2004,09:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">NON HAMS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER WITH THEIR FULL NAMES AND THEIR LEGAL ADDRESS SO THAT THE STAFF KNOWS WHO IS USING THE SITE. AN ACCESS CODE SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THEM SO WHEN THEY LOG IN THE CODE WILL ASSURE THAT THEY ARE A PROPERLY APPROVED USER OF THE SITE. OUR HAM CALLSIGNS IDENTIFY US RIGHT DOWN TO OUR STREET ADDRESSES. WHY SHOULD ANYONE BE ANONYMOUS? I AGREE THAT NON HAMS ACCESS TO THE DIFFERENT FORUMS SHOULD BE RESTRICTED. THERE HAS BEEN TOO MUCH ABUSE OF THIS SITE, AND IT SHOULD BE STOPPED. WHY SHOULD A HAM OR NON - HAM REDUCE THE ENJOYMENT WE EXPERIENCE USING THIS SITE? THE STAFF OF QRZ SHOULD EXERCISE MORE CONTROL OVER OFFENSIVE USERS(A NO TOLERANCE POLICY). ONE OBVIOUSLY ABUSIVE POST AGAINST ANOTHER USER SHOULD GUARANTEE BEING BARRED FROM USING QRZ. NO SECOND CHANCES. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Posters to the site should have the courtesy of posting in reasonable capaitalizatin instead of ALL CAPS!

W0BLH

08-06-2004, 04:06 AM

Great work Fred. It is nice to see that the troll postings may be close to history. Keep up the good work!

BLH

VU2PLE

08-06-2004, 04:26 AM

Greetings dear QRZ....

de Percy - VU2PLE from Mumbai, India.

I just read about the new changes that you are going to incorporate and am glad to say it is indeed in the right direction and much needed.

I have always enjoyed a prompt response on QRZ.com whenever I have required help.

I think it is the complete and most useful Hamsite and am most thrilled that some concerned Hams have taken it upon themselves to provide such yeoman service.

Hats off to you all guys at QRZ.com

Of late, I have also noticed that unwanted intrusions have crept into Ham radio, even in India and so was glad that you guys are taking steps to keep Ham Radio the respected hobby it is.

All my good wishes to you for your future endeavours..

73 de Percy - VU2PLE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

K7DFA

08-06-2004, 05:03 AM

I would like to take exception to K7KWH's idea that all of us who use Yahoo, Excite, etc are somehow "not legit" and should be (arbitrarily) blocked from posting messages! :-) I have been using Yahoo, excite, and a few other "non legitimate" (according to K7KWH) mail services for many years now, and it isn't to conceal my ID, or for any other reason than I just can't afford the e mail services offered elsewhere! I believe that any "blocking" of users of any service whatsoever should be based on posted content, not which e mail service provider was used! :-) If there was a way to fwd this to K7KWH (side by side with posting it I would, however s/he is just going to have to find it (if s/he wants to)!
73 to all DE: K7DFA
Dale Allen
K7DFA@yahoo.com

PS:KA2HLW, all caps (in postings & e mails) is considered the same thing as SHOUTING! I hope this isn't the way you do things "O.T.A." or "F2F"! :-) BTW, OM, Even the worst CRIMINAL offenders get "Three Strikes", and who decides just what's "offensive" the recipient? QRZ? You? Me? Please, let these people take back SOME control, and only total control if it becomes necessary! :-)
73 & G'day, O.M. . tnx WD5KCA es 73. W8OB, We're already miles off the topic of "Amateur Radio" in these very pages, can't imagine how you'd go about limiting people who are "communicators" anyhow, and why would you want to? It's not like the topic of "Amateur Radio" doesn't involve other subjects or topics (most esp. politics {ref. the subject: BPL, for instance, or how 'bout PRB-1} these topics intermix Amateur Radio & POLITICS quite plainly & thoroughly)! :-) 73, OM, es G'day
K7DFA.

w5jon

08-06-2004, 02:59 PM

Great site, great decision, it should have been done long ago.
For those that object, just remember the "Golden Rule":
He who has the gold, makes the rules.

73,
John W5JON

K3ESE

08-06-2004, 06:25 PM

Kudos for a step in the right direction. A great sigh of relief is heard throughout the land. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ad5td

08-06-2004, 06:52 PM

This is an example of just a few "dip sticks" messing it up for all of us.

Great idea and was long over due. I have never given any weight to a letter or post that was not signed.

Bill Albert KD5UJX
Woodsboro, TX

W8BAJ

08-06-2004, 07:08 PM

I have spent the last couple minutes reading the responses given to Fred in response to the policy changes to QRZ.com and would like to give my $0.02 worth!

First, anyone who totally disagrees with the changes, you have 2 rights: accept them or don't! If you don't accept them, then you have 2 more rights: go to another website or start your own!

Second, I do agree with the ideas stated about not giving out personal info, but there must be some type of checks established to confirm who is using QRZ. If you are not proud enough to log in under your current call sign (ESPECIALLY ON A "HAM BASED WEBSITE") then in my opinion, you should be restricted, if that is what QRZ.com establishes. We should be able to restrict our personal info to QRZ, making it unavailable for public viewing, if so desired. Any ham who refuses to use their call has, in my opinion, more to hide than they are telling!!!

Third: We as users must remember, this is not OUR website. It is owned and operated by someone else. They have made it available for our use. What most people should remember is that it can be taken away just as fast! THEN WHAT?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Are YOU going to take the time, money, and energy it takes to start another website like QRZ.com, that works just as well?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Fred: Keep up the good work. It is true that you can't please EVERYBODY!!! There will be some who will say or do anything to resist change. There will be some who will not like the change, but will. Then there will be a lot of us, world wide, who are proud to display our callsign's when logging in. Just let their personal info be "PRIVATE" at their wishes, or "PUBLIC" as they see fit!!

Bruce, W8BAJ
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K7JBQ

08-06-2004, 07:25 PM

For the few with a sincere interest in ham radio, they'll be with us shortly as they become licensed.

For the rest who would hide behind a penname instead of using call letters on an amateur radio site, may I suggest another website:

QSY.com

73,
Bill

w6em

08-06-2004, 09:48 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W8BAJ @ Aug. 06 2004,12http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have spent the last couple minutes reading the responses given to Fred in response to the policy changes to QRZ.com and would like to give my $0.02 worth!

First, anyone who totally disagrees with the changes, you have 2 rights: accept them or don't! #If you don't accept them, then you have 2 more rights: go to another website or start your own! #

Second, I do agree with the ideas stated about not giving out personal info, but there must be some type of checks established to confirm who is using QRZ. #If you are not proud enough to log in under your current call sign (ESPECIALLY ON A "HAM BASED WEBSITE") then in my opinion, you should be restricted, if that is what QRZ.com establishes. #We should be able to restrict our personal info to QRZ, making it unavailable for public viewing, if so desired. #Any ham who refuses to use their call has, in my opinion, more to hide than they are telling!!!

Third: We as users must remember, this is not OUR website. #It is owned and operated by someone else. #They have made it available for our use. #What most people should remember is that it can be taken away just as fast! #THEN WHAT?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #Are YOU going to take the time, money, and energy it takes to start another website like QRZ.com, that works just as well?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Fred: Keep up the good work. #It is true that you can't please EVERYBODY!!! #There will be some who will say or do anything to resist change. #There will be some who will not like the change, but will. #Then there will be a lot of us, world wide, who are proud to display our callsign's when logging in. #Just let their personal info be "PRIVATE" at their wishes, or "PUBLIC" #as they see fit!!

Bruce, W8BAJ
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To Bruce and all of the others "standing up and saluting the change", as far as your look up information is concerned, wise up!

The bio data, unless you supply more, is straight from the FCC's ULS database. #It is public information. #You gave up your right to privacy when you gave the FCC your information. #Now, the FCC and Fred won't display your TIN, so you don't have to be paranoid about someone stealing your identity.

The way you sound, we should all have security clearances before we can post here. #(Even Bush couldn't pass a standard FBI or OPM background check. Ha)

Probably Fred's paid advertisers would like to see just hams, or then again, maybe not. You know, all those little pop ups along the side and the top of the page.......

So, go back to sleep, and enjoy reading just what other hams have to say.

73,

Lee
W6EM
Bradenton, FL

kb6kid

08-07-2004, 01:04 AM

A clean house is a happy house! Way to go Fred.

Merlin http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w7act

08-08-2004, 11:58 PM

Great move, but don't ban because someone is using MSN, Hotmail, Yahoo, excite or any one of the freebie services.

I use Them as a filter service it cuts down on the Spam and inidation of viruses. Isn't that the very reason why several front line servers banned the receipt of mail from QRZ is because of somenone spaming using data from the QRZ Data base including sending out severfal Viruses?

m0dhs

08-09-2004, 07:06 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Aug. 03 2004,05:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (m0dhs @ Aug. 02 2004,03:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One way to get shut of the Brits. I myself asked for my personal details to be kept out of the Amateur call book. We have always had this option in the UK. I will give you one reason why I did this.

Imagine talking to friends on the air, hf vhf what ever, and you are all talking about your equipment. "I have a Kenwood this Kenwood that" then you go to sleep. Time to get up and what do you find when going down into the shack? Yes it has been robbed!!! It happens. We are a small Island and are in driving distance to all corners within a few hours. If you give out your details it can be used in this way and other criminal ways.

The system of not giving the option to with-hold details in America may work because of how large the USA is and this problem would not raise its head as much. When 40/80m is open we can talk all over the UK and although we like to think all amateurs are not criminals it is not the case, some are crooks!!

So I will not be putting my details in the QRZ DB so I guess I will not be able to use QRZ when this takes affect. I have also noticed many UK amateurs choose not to put there details in the db also.

Do we have to put our address in the db??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
DHS:

There has never been DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that ANY ONE has been ripped off due to a "callbook" reference.

I use QRZ, the QRZ CD collection, and the FCC when I am on the air. Most civilized nations publish Amateur call data, and when I am on the air, my logging program searches for the call data. If it is not found, I sign off and mark it in the log as a "SLIM"...

So, since the UK publishes call data, and if you are not in QRZ.com, I would not work you.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Small minded Amateur practice. You wouldnt be missed.

m0dhs

08-09-2004, 07:07 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC0LNU @ Aug. 03 2004,06:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (m0dhs @ Aug. 02 2004,03:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One way to get shut of the Brits. I myself asked for my personal details to be kept out of the Amateur call book. We have always had this option in the UK. I will give you one reason why I did this.

Imagine talking to friends on the air, hf vhf what ever, and you are all talking about your equipment. "I have a Kenwood this Kenwood that" then you go to sleep. Time to get up and what do you find when going down into the shack? Yes it has been robbed!!! It happens. We are a small Island and are in driving distance to all corners within a few hours. If you give out your details it can be used in this way and other criminal ways.

The system of not giving the option to with-hold details in America may work because of how large the USA is and this problem would not raise its head as much. When 40/80m is open we can talk all over the UK and although we like to think all amateurs are not criminals it is not the case, some are crooks!!

So I will not be putting my details in the QRZ DB so I guess I will not be able to use QRZ when this takes affect. I have also noticed many UK amateurs choose not to put there details in the db also.

Do we have to put our address in the db??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sounds like the Brits have this one right. #I personally believe the privacy option is a good thing.

Just out of curiousity -- do you exchange QSL cards? #If so, what method do you use to receive the cards?

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Fred & the QRZ Team -- well done. #This seems like a very balanced response to several real world issues.

I especially like the options you are putting in place to have non-amateurs (and those not in the FCC database) limited access -- I may not agree with everything they say, but I always try to consider what they have to say. #

Thanks for keeping the options open to learn something new![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The Bureau.

08-09-2004, 07:41 PM

Should keep the honest users honest and make everthing work a lot faster/more efficient.
I would like the option of deciding what personal information is available. Who needs to know my birthdate???
Those who don't want to play by the rules will someday feel the heat.
Just in case nobody said it..."THANKS".

AA5L

08-09-2004, 08:28 PM

I agree completely with the changes. Maintenance of QRZ has got to be a huge undertaking under the best of circumstances.

w6em

08-10-2004, 01:14 AM

Unless you have one of very few reasons to be permitted to use "personal data withheld", including being a member of the judiciary or an active duty law enforcement officer, your personal data for all but drivers licenses is available to the public. #Much of it, on the internet.

So, to extend your assertions as to 'targeting for theft', are doctors' and attorneys' offices routinely sacked from their address listings in public databases? #The same for licensed contractors of all sorts. #Are their warehouses hit from such information supplied on such databases?

Locks and alarms only slow down determined thieves. #By far the greatest "telltale", in my opinion is a large yagi, sticking up above the skyline that can be seen for miles and close behind is a mobile with a Texas Bug Catcher or other huge, motor-operated loading coil and whip. Not call plates or the FCC's database, the University of Arkansas-Little Rock's database, or QRZ's for that matter. Just my opinions, of course.

Speaking of opinions, you guys are really beginning to sound like cousins of Joe McCarthy.

And, please, stop placating Fred. #Look around the borders. #Lots of paid advertisements. #Fred, what's your ROI for operating QRZ?

73,

Lee
W6EM
Bradenton, FL.

08-10-2004, 02:01 AM

Could we use this opportunity to re-sync a callsign username with the current vanity call? In order to modify my new callsign (K4JCC), I have to use the old username (WD4PKZ).

Thanks,
John

K4JCC (ex-WD4PKZ)

m0dhs

08-10-2004, 08:48 AM

w6em

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Unless you have one of very few reasons to be permitted to use "personal data withheld", including being a member of the judiciary or an active duty law enforcement officer, your personal data for all but drivers licenses is available to the public. Much of it, on the internet.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Why do you need to know my address or email address even? I would give all the info needed if it was kept off the net and only used by QRZ for authentication. I do not see why you as a user needs to know all my personal info! I dont even send QSL cards.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, to extend your assertions as to 'targeting for theft', are doctors' and attorneys' offices routinely sacked from their address listings in public databases? The same for licensed contractors of all sorts. Are their warehouses hit from such information supplied on such databases?
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I used theft as one example of what can and does happen in the UK. We have a law in the UK, the data protection act, that protects all personal information collected by anyone. All info in offices of doctors, dentists, lawyers and goverment etc kept on PCs or filled on paper can not be passed on. All our info is protected. My phone number is not listed even!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Locks and alarms only slow down determined thieves. By far the greatest "telltale", in my opinion is a large yagi, sticking up above the skyline that can be seen for miles and close behind is a mobile with a Texas Bug Catcher or other huge, motor-operated loading coil and whip. Not call plates or the FCC's database, the University of Arkansas-Little Rock's database, or QRZ's for that matter. Just my opinions, of course.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Yes your "American" opinion! Looking no further than your own country. Most Uk Amateurs do not have a large Yagi that can be seen for miles! Most people who do have a tower only manage to put a 50ft tower up. Fcc db? A thief from the UK would not look in the Fccs db would they? No the would look in the RSGB call book or cd and if people are forced to put there data to stay a member of QRZ, for all to see, then they will look here and will get the info they need as QRZ will be the only domain where the UK amateurs info is not protected. It will keep them away. Maybe be this is what is wanted?

W9GRN

08-10-2004, 01:21 PM

Excellent step in the right direction.Thanks Fred!

w6em

08-10-2004, 03:08 PM

First, I don't believe that Fred's agreements with his many paid advertisers would permit him to redact information or preclude the inclusion of non-US hams.

And, I'm sure he doesn't/didn't want to.

The issue of sensitive, client and patient data is no different here, obviously. #But, our government, both at the federal and state levels is apparently more focused on openness, and accountability than yours. # Government licensure databases should be open and available on the web for interested persons, prospective clients and their representatives to inspect. #And, that's what I was referring to, not sensivite client/professional data. Government licensure should in most all cases be public information, IMO.

Not all of us, including me have ever owned a tower or a yagi. #I would say, though, that most amateur extra class hams besides me do have such large arrays. #I have lived in deed restricted homes since 1997. #Prior to that time, a had a 40 foot mast, to which were attached
several inverted vees and a 2M vertical on top. #Visibile, I was at that location, but a large iron bar with hasp and huge padlock on the inside of the door prevented even someone who could break out the glass from getting in without suffering multiple glass lacerations. #I managed after that to use either in-attic dipoles (under a tile roof. #Great, as long as no rain. #It worked in CA, but not in FL where I am now).

I don't know what Fred's sources are for non-us hams, but if your address data is not public from the UK government, then, perhaps you have a point as far as UK hams are concerned. #But, not for US hams.

As I said before, Fred could conserve a lot of space by limiting supplemental bio information for everybody to less that 25 words. #There are people who post 500 words or more about their personal views as part of their bios. #That's not bio information, IMO, and VERY wasteful of space.

Lee
W6EM

m0dhs

08-10-2004, 04:00 PM

w6em

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The issue of sensitive, client and patient data is no different here, obviously.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You couldnt be more wrong! Any info, sensitive or not is not to be passed on whatever! It is not a case of client patient. Any info in what ever form, by any person or group organisation or goverment can not be used in anyway without that persons say so. If I have filled in a form or given you info for whatever reason you can not share that info or pass it on unless I give you permission. If you find out my address from a person who lives next door to me and they pass it on, then that is ok. But any info collected in forms and registrations etc can not! It is not the same in America. Info is for sale in your country. Thats why you have so many problems with telesales etc

Fred is nothing special in the UK and has no special contact with our ofcom or RSGB and gets all his UK call sign info from CD or the official call book just like you would and not directly from our goverment ofcom department. Unless you are just an amateur radio site forum directed at Americans only then it needs to be looked at closer.

w6em

08-10-2004, 08:18 PM

Well, you have my sympathies. Over here, we do offer Freedom of Information. And, it was delineated in federal legislation. You can ask for any official correspondence with government, and you will receive it provided you pay for the copying costs, although it may be redacted to remove references to third party personal information.

But, government license data falls within the scope of FOIA (the Freedom of Information Act) here, and must be given out. Sorry, but another freedom to be enjoyed here in the USA. (For as long as it lasts. Although it might go away with the Patriot Act, Version II). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You mentioned your email address in your prior post. That isn't made public, unless you want it to be. And, you have to enter it yourself on this site.

Lee
W6EM
Bradenton, FL

m0dhs

08-10-2004, 09:51 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6em @ Aug. 10 2004,13:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, you have my sympathies. #Over here, we do offer Freedom of Information. #And, it was delineated in federal legislation. #You can ask for any official correspondence with government, and you will receive it provided you pay for the copying costs, although it may be redacted to remove references to third party personal information.

But, government license data falls within the scope of FOIA (the Freedom of Information Act) here, and must be given out. #Sorry, but another freedom to be enjoyed here in the USA. (For as long as it lasts. #Although it might go away with the Patriot Act, Version II). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You mentioned your email address in your prior post. #That isn't made public, unless you want it to be. #And, you have to enter it yourself on this site.

Lee
W6EM
Bradenton, FL[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What you call freedom of information we do not call freedom of information. After-all, It is my information and i have the right to keep it private. So is it freedom for ever "Tom Dick and Harry" to gather and use your private info that is a freedom, or is it that my "PRIVATE" info is |"PRIVATE" untill I choose it not to be? I am not a crook! Or a sex offender! I keep to the letter of the law, so why have you the right to my private info? Americans have the habitt of sticking there noses where it is not wanted and It is going to be your downfall.