More Violators on 3.843 [Archive]

ai4ep

07-25-2004, 12:18 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif you said " various call signs from the 4 th district "...what ??!!

#YOU did not get their individual call signs ??!!
# # #None at all ??!!

#
# #Gee, what kind of O O are you, not getting that information ??

# Straighten up, or you wont be getting paid for the things you do VOLUNTARILY...I guess you expect some one else to do all the work now....right ?

gee, the FOURTH call sign area, #that only covers about 6 - 7 whole USA states, no telling how many counties, #how many itty bitty towns in each of those counties....how about listening to seel if they mention any towns...like #Miami, #Tallahassee, Montgomery, Nashville, #Frankfort, #Roanoake,. Augusta, or even Athens ( Athens, Georgia, Alabama, Athens Greece...they could be from the Olympic site
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #) #it could be some of the olympic athletes from another country, and here you are, attempting to start an international incident BEFORE the games even begin !! #You KNOW they all come from the highest standards from the nicest folks from those countries you could ever, ever want to meet !!

# shame, shame #shame

Nah, really he is just doing as he has before on other threads...tell just enough to get folks upset and make comments...then RUN off and let others run the thread.

nothing new

just let him be him / her self...no change

" failure to id #" could mean he did not listen long enough to hear them every 10 minutes

" #belching " ...man that is one of the WORST FCC violations I have ever heard of any one getting caught
for http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

" singing " #some folks can not sing, but they DO try.

" meeting at midnight eastern "...let us see, that would equal about 9 - 10 pm #on the west coast...not even late out there, you folks can handle it !!

" unbridled profanity "...what is the difference between UN bridled and bridled...and what does whether it IS bridled or not have to do with the profanity ? #Dont "bridled " have something to do with HORSES...now he is after the " horse riders "...?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

N7AAO

07-25-2004, 01:44 PM

All joking aside, EBM, hook a tape recorder to your rig and tape it next time it happens. Do your best to get more than 10 minutes so you are sure to get any IDs they DO use. Then e-mail Riley and ask where he wants it sent.

ai4ep

07-25-2004, 03:13 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif brilliant idea...I thought of that but did not put it here.

k4ybx

07-25-2004, 03:21 PM

Hmmmmmm??? Barney Fife of ham radio. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

w5lda

07-25-2004, 04:08 PM

A mere waste of time.You know nothing will happen to the priveledged "elite" crew.But let someone act up on a repeater and it will be assumed he is a "nct" then the elitists will be ready to hang him from the nearest tree.

kd5vsg

N7AAO

07-25-2004, 04:54 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5vsg @ July 25 2004,09:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A mere waste of time.You know nothing will happen to the priveledged "elite" crew.But let someone act up on a repeater and it will be assumed he is a "nct" then the elitists will be ready to hang him from the nearest tree.

kd5vsg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Look at the FCC enforcement logs on the ARRL website, and look up the call signs the letters are sent to. Last time I did that, I discovered it's actually pretty evenly spread between Technicians, Generals, and Extras, given the numbers of people in each class.

Always check the facts before you spout off... it saves mucho embarrassment later.

n5tjd

07-25-2004, 06:37 PM

I would expect violations to be pretty evenly distributed among the license classes. Amateur Radio is a microcosim (sp?) of society, and there are plenty of idiots, nuts, and whackos to go around. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Record them if you beleive they are breaking rules, and keep a log. Maybe Riley can give them a refresher on the rules... Don't confront them yourself however...

KA3RFE

07-25-2004, 07:03 PM

VSG: First, learn to spell.

Second, check the ARRL home page and look at the FCC actions. The FCC DOES go after serious violators; and those violators appear to be evenly divided between all the license classes.

Third, The FCC has a section on its site of recent enforcement actions more detailed than whats on the ARRL site. Sorry, but I don't remember how to get to it.

73, Pete KA3RFE

W0MT

07-25-2004, 07:55 PM

I have a question to those who maintain that the FCC enforcement letters are evenly distributed across all classes of licenses. How do you know this "fact?" If you will look carefully the ARRL publishes (in their own words), "A representative listing of recent Amateur Radio enforcement-related letters from the files of the FCC Enforcement Bureau . . ."

In other words the ARRL has chosen what they feel is a representative listing. Maybe by "representative" they mean picking an equal number of letters by license class. While it might be true that the letters are, in fact, distributed equally across all license classes, if your source is the ARRL published letters, you are on thin ice with that assertion.

07-25-2004, 08:04 PM

Yeah, same as what ai4ep said......

Oh yeah, same as what kd4ybx said too........

ae2ny

07-25-2004, 09:06 PM

When I took part in Field Day this year, I was operating 75M as a Tech No-Code so I was using the Club Call, K4KSC.

Right next to me was a 2M GOTA Station. We had some visitors who were checking out the 2M frequencies and I had taken some of my time out to show them the 2M Repeater frequency in Rockledge, FL the 147.135 machine.

About that time, I decided to go ahead and scan the 75M band for anyone calling "CQ Field Day". I came across a particular frequency where they were talking about very nasty things they'd like to do to women, articles of clothing they had collected as "trophies", so on and so forth. I plugged the headphones in and listened actively for 20 solid minutes and didn't hear a single callsign go out to identify.

So I called "K4KSC" and they said go ahead break. I informed them I was showing some non-hams the 75M band and asked for their callsigns so I could add them to my personal logbook that had nothing to do with Field Day.

They proceeded to ask me if I needed a man in my life to "take care of me". I am so glad I had those headphones on. Had I not, those visitors checking out the GOTA Station may have been turned away from Amateur Radio for life.

And by the way, they never did give me their callsign.

Anthony-KI4VPR

N7AAO

07-25-2004, 09:37 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0MT @ July 25 2004,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have a question to those who maintain that the FCC enforcement letters are evenly distributed across all classes of licenses. How do you know this "fact?" If you will look carefully the ARRL publishes (in their own words), "A representative listing of recent Amateur Radio enforcement-related letters from the files of the FCC Enforcement Bureau . . ."

In other words the ARRL has chosen what they feel is a representative listing. Maybe by "representative" they mean picking an equal number of letters by license class. While it might be true that the letters are, in fact, distributed equally across all license classes, if your source is the ARRL published letters, you are on thin ice with that assertion.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Soooo... the ARRL, in its conspiratorial zeal, looks up the license class of every person sent an enforcement letter (the license class is not listed on the letter), and then picks the same number of each class.

For what purpose?

And, is that purpose worth the time spent in researching every single enforcement letter?

Personally, I suspect that the selection process is relatively random... or perhaps it is the FCC themselves that select the letters. However, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, let's follow Occam's razor, which says: "Of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred." It is far simpler for the ARRL to use a random selection process rather than to go through all the research involved in looking up all the license classes.

w5lda

07-25-2004, 09:57 PM

Dang Pete. I didn't know you were a grammar cop!
And David,just my opinion on what i posted and neither you or anyone else will sway my opinion.If i was
"spouting off" you would know it.

kd5vsg

N7AAO

07-25-2004, 10:06 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5vsg @ July 25 2004,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And David,just my opinion on what i posted and neither you or anyone else will sway my opinion.If i was
"spouting off" you would know it.

kd5vsg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yep, perfect example of a closed mind.

"My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."

When does the flat-earth society meet?

KA3RFE

07-25-2004, 10:26 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 25 2004,14:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0MT @ July 25 2004,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have a question to those who maintain that the FCC enforcement letters are evenly distributed across all classes of licenses. How do you know this "fact?" If you will look carefully the ARRL publishes (in their own words), "A representative listing of recent Amateur Radio enforcement-related letters from the files of the FCC Enforcement Bureau . . ."

In other words the ARRL has chosen what they feel is a representative listing. Maybe by "representative" they mean picking an equal number of letters by license class. While it might be true that the letters are, in fact, distributed equally across all license classes, if your source is the ARRL published letters, you are on thin ice with that assertion.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Soooo... the ARRL, in its conspiratorial zeal, looks up the license class of every person sent an enforcement letter (the license class is not listed on the letter), and then picks the same number of each class.

For what purpose?

And, is that purpose worth the time spent in researching every single enforcement letter?

Personally, I suspect that the selection process is relatively random... or perhaps it is the FCC themselves that select the letters. However, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, let's follow Occam's razor, which says: "Of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred." It is far simpler for the ARRL to use a random selection process rather than to go through all the research involved in looking up all the license classes.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The enforcement actions of the FCC are public record and most letters contain the license class of the ham being warned or sanctioned. ARRL and anyone can get that info right from the FCC in its web site. No research is needed. No under-the-table secret society involved.

ai4ep

07-25-2004, 10:35 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif IF ( as ka3rfe says ) the info is available from the FCC web site, then why go to the ARRL website ?

N7AAO

07-25-2004, 10:36 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 25 2004,15:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif IF ( as ka3rfe says ) the info is available from the FCC web site, then why go to the ARRL website ?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Three words:

Easier to find. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w5lda

07-25-2004, 11:13 PM

David ,I am far from being closeminded and you know damn good and well any time a tech screws up they are subject to many personal attacks by the elite crowd.But let someone other than a NCT screw up,some seem to get very defensive.Now if you can't see it on here,then you are the one with the closed mind.Also the flat earth society meets the second tuesday of the week.Hope to see you there again. And don't forget the cookies this time. 73

kd5vsg

N7AAO

07-25-2004, 11:27 PM

w5lda

07-25-2004, 11:42 PM

David,You know of no such thing? You read the same garbage on here every day,so how can you say that?
Close-minded?Not stereotyping just stating what i see
and deep down you have to have seen it on here and on the air.You say it happens occasionally on here,it happens every day,be it a nct or a higher class,but it happens.I never said it was a conspiracy among all
amateurs,some of the greatest people i have ever met are hams.Just some leave a lot to be desired

kd5vsg

ai4ep

07-25-2004, 11:43 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Hey folks.. it is just a computer forum...

IMHO we are ALL elite in our own little way.

No problem !! We all " think " we are better than our relatives, our co - workers, our next door neighbors... IMHO they think they are better than us, too !!
It is nothing new...

now on to more IMPORTANT topics;

like " belching over the air "...

now that takes a LOT of co-ordination...

to be able to hold the belch,
key the mike,
then let her rip !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
now that takes class !!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

07-25-2004, 11:55 PM

Yeah,,,, what ai4ep said!!!!!!!!!!!

to be able to hold the belch,
key the mike,
then let her rip !!
now that takes class !!

07-26-2004, 02:31 AM

I mean... it takes some COORDINATED PERSONAL EFFORT to be able to sing a song while you belch and have it be fairly on key! (yes, I've heard these guys do that.. It's offensive, yes.. but still, you can't help but LAUGH at it..)

BTW.. FCC enforcement actions.

If you are REALLY Seriously interested.

Send the FCC an FOIA request and state "I would like copies of ALL enforcement actions - letters of warning, notices of violations, Notices of Apparent Liabilities and response to same'

Submit it under FOIA and FCC HAS to respond.

I did that when they stopped printing notices and I used the 'They are public records for which the FCC has no LEGAL right to keep them secret once they eliminate the personal info (like addresses and any other personal info)' and about 2 weeks later I got a 2" stack of documents from them.

You know what??? by and large they were almost identical to the ones that the ARRL published. Couple weren't but not enough to make a difference.

All ya gotta do is ASK the FCC and they'll send 'emto you.

73
K3FT

ai4ep

07-26-2004, 03:02 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif yea, yea I KNOW that BELCHING on the air is totally, definately illegal, and NO I do not condone such actions in the least....

but

it IS kind of fun in a wild way to IMAGINE some one actually doing it !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

or

some one keying up when some one else is kind of " long - winded " and the second person keys up and goes " ho - hum " or "rumblesticks " . and un - keys and the first person is still transmitting for another 30 seconds or minute or two...heck it is definately illegal, but it does put some LIFE in a convo !!

I have heard the SECOND description several times on 2 meters through the 12 + years I was just on 2 meter FM ( you know, a N C T )...way back then !!

Heck I used to time out my 2 meter rig that had a (programmable ) time - out - timer for when I got/get long winded. I have done that a bunch of times !!
Now the only 2 meter rigs I will even consider owning are those WITH a " T - O - T " built in, so when ( not if ) I do get long winded, that the timer will kill the tx before I burn out the finals ( and I know there are those of you out there that wish I would burn out the finals on ALL my rigs ... and that my keyboard would quit working, too on this ole computer !! )
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

---ai4ep---

KB9VXK

07-26-2004, 04:24 AM

you dont have to tell kc0ebm about taping what he herd i got $100.00 said the tape was rolling #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif keep up the good job .

k6pme

07-26-2004, 04:31 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 25 2004,20http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif yea, yea #I KNOW that BELCHING on the air is totally, definately illegal[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't remember reading about that in part 97. Would that fall under secret codes and cyphers or spurious emissions? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

kc0ebm

07-26-2004, 04:40 AM

Monday, July 26, 0000 Eastern, 3.843MHz

The nightly session of the 4 Land LID NET on 3.843 is in session. #Get those tapes rolling.

kg4kww

07-26-2004, 05:31 AM

Well there maybe nothing but NCT's on VHF SSB but, they don't act like cb'ers. And these people are the elite of amateru radio, I mean they passed code and all the written tests, and they still got on HF. Something is very wrong with this picture. Maybe we need to add a vocabulary test to the testing procedure too.

Another thing ham equipment should only be sold to those holding a valid ham license.

ai4ep

07-26-2004, 11:55 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ...( now wait a minute !!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif...the idea of NOT selling amateur radio gear to some one that does NOT have a valid FCC amateur radio call sign...will cut back dramatically on the sell and eventual use of 10 meter galaxy & ranger radios !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Shucks, I got my credit card, what more is required ??

Will this stupid idea be required on USED equipment sales and trades also...like at hamfests ?

This idea will NOT effect sales at AMATEUR radio stores, but it MIGHT effect sales at cb shops & truck stops.

btw: need UPDATE on all of the illegal acts that occurred on 3.843 or what ever that frequency was...all 45 of us that read these threads NEED an update !!

{ it SHOULD have already been here when we got up this morning...dern volunteers, goofing off again !! }

W0LC

07-26-2004, 12:50 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5vsg @ July 25 2004,09:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A mere waste of time.You know nothing will happen to the priveledged "elite" crew.But let someone act up on a repeater and it will be assumed he is a "nct" then the elitists will be ready to hang him from the nearest tree.

kd5vsg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Typical. Selective reading.

If you bother to read through the FCC Enforcement logs, you will find violators across the spectrum from Tech to Extra. Please, put your crying towel away.

W0LC

07-26-2004, 12:56 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5vsg @ July 25 2004,16:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">David ,I am far from being closeminded and you know damn good and well any time a tech screws up they are subject to many personal attacks by the elite crowd.But let someone other than a NCT screw up,some seem to get very defensive.Now if you can't see it on here,then you are the one with the closed mind.Also the flat earth society meets the second tuesday of the week.Hope to see you there again. And don't forget the cookies this time. 73

kd5vsg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Is that really the case? Hmmm. Haven't noticed that very much on here. In fact, I see more bashing of higher class licensees by NCT individuals on here, generalizations and categorizations, etc. Is your skin that thin? Personally, when one posts a stupid comment, I usually ignore it, considering its source, etc. Some individuals cannot post without throwing in a bunch of emotion and anger. That leads to the generalizations and categorizations I have seen one individual always doing on here. It is sad. I might actually reply or post to that individuals comments. But, it isn't worth the time.

In reality, violators regardless of class deserve the flaming, not the legally operating ops on here.

I think you might consider popping a reality pill now and then. While you are at it, pass it around to some of the other sour individuals on here to get a better dose of reality. That goes for both sides. It would certainly add credibility to a posted comment vs. a rant. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

N7AAO

07-26-2004, 02:02 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ July 26 2004,05:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5vsg @ July 25 2004,16:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">David ,I am far from being closeminded and you know damn good and well any time a tech screws up they are subject to many personal attacks by the elite crowd.But let someone other than a NCT screw up,some seem to get very defensive.Now if you can't see it on here,then you are the one with the closed mind.Also the flat earth society meets the second tuesday of the week.Hope to see you there again. And don't forget the cookies this time. 73

kd5vsg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Is that really the case? #Hmmm. Haven't noticed that very much on here. #In fact, I see more bashing of higher class licensees by NCT individuals on here, generalizations and categorizations, etc. #Is your skin that thin? #Personally, when one posts a stupid comment, I usually ignore it, considering its source, etc. #Some individuals cannot post without throwing in a bunch of emotion and anger. #That leads to the generalizations and categorizations I have seen one individual always doing on here. #It is sad. #I might actually reply or post to that individuals comments. #But, it isn't worth the time. #

In reality, violators regardless of class deserve the flaming, not the legally operating ops on here.

I think you might consider popping a reality pill now and then. #While you are at it, pass it around to some of the other sour individuals on here to get a better dose of reality. #That goes for both sides. #It would certainly add credibility to a posted comment vs. a rant. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
W0LC:

I deliberately did not comment on that message to see if anyone else would pick up on it... thanks for reinforcing my belief that most people can spot things like that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

kc0ebm

07-26-2004, 02:04 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ July 26 2004,05:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5vsg @ July 25 2004,16:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">David ,I am far from being closeminded and you know damn good and well any time a tech screws up they are subject to many personal attacks by the elite crowd.But let someone other than a NCT screw up,some seem to get very defensive.Now if you can't see it on here,then you are the one with the closed mind.Also the flat earth society meets the second tuesday of the week.Hope to see you there again. And don't forget the cookies this time. 73

kd5vsg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Is that really the case? #Hmmm. Haven't noticed that very much on here. #In fact, I see more bashing of higher class licensees by NCT individuals on here, generalizations and categorizations, etc. #Is your skin that thin? #Personally, when one posts a stupid comment, I usually ignore it, considering its source, etc. #Some individuals cannot post without throwing in a bunch of emotion and anger. #That leads to the generalizations and categorizations I have seen one individual always doing on here. #It is sad. #I might actually reply or post to that individuals comments. #But, it isn't worth the time. #

In reality, violators regardless of class deserve the flaming, not the legally operating ops on here.

I think you might consider popping a reality pill now and then. #While you are at it, pass it around to some of the other sour individuals on here to get a better dose of reality. #That goes for both sides. #It would certainly add credibility to a posted comment vs. a rant. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
W0LC

Please don't mistake a good man's healthy expressions of passion for anger and hostility and mere emotionalism.

A man's passion is easilly mistaken for anger, especially when that passion is expressed in writing where visual and auditory cues like volume and tenor and body language are absent.

Its far too easy to misinterpret the background emotions of someone who is expressing himself in writing, especially when that person is not trained in the art of writing. Its far too easy to pass judgement on a passionate person and incorrectly label him a "hot head".

Just a word of caution

Tom KCØEBM

W0LC

07-26-2004, 03:16 PM

Tom,

Well, I only read what is posted (albeit, perhaps it could be posted better), I don't consider passion expressed as an outcrop of name calling and generalization. That is more passive agressive behaviour and frustration which do have undertones of anger. If someone were to express the disappointment that some folks consider themselves elitests, etc., that would be a different "expression". However, re-read the language:

"subject to many personal (name calling?) attacks by the elite (who is this??) crowd.But let someone other than a NCT screw up,some seem to get very defensive (regarding the FCC enforcement letters regarding repeater viloators)"

1. Define who the elite are: Obviously, non-NCT's
2. Elluding to the NCT class as solely under the FCC's microscope and the bad apples in the hobby

I have seen postings similar to this in the past, the inference to "elite", "everyone is picking on me", etc., etc.

1stly: I have seen a couple of higher class licensees bashing the NCT's
2ndly: I have seen numerous NCTs flaming the upper license classes in generalizations (i.e. elitests, Extra, etc.)
3rdly: This "everyone is against me" attitude as expressed is a common thread.
4thly: The FCC enforcements have worked one area (i.e. HF SSB violations) and then the trend is to move onto another enforcement area (i.s. repeater violations). There is no consistency in the enforcement action(s), but to be sure, it isn't focused on any one group.

Personally, I don't hold much favor with any particular license classees. I obtained whatever class I have through the methodology I was instructed to use at the time. I work what I hear, on the band that I use and I never once have asked "what class license are you", nor does it matter. I try and enjoy the hobby, ignoring the nonsense on 75 meters and the nonsense on certain repeaters. Bad eggs are everywhere.
Most of all this nonsense (name calling, generalization, etc.) has stemmed from the proposed license restructuring.

Many of the NCTs have openly stated they don't want to learn CW, don't plan on using it but expect an upgrade to HF regardless. That has sparked some emotional postings from a few folks that didn't obtain that higher class license in a manner such as the one being proposed.
Certainly, I can understand their opinion and emotional stance, but I don't support calling any NCT "lazy", etc. just because they don't feel they should be tested in a similar manner to what is currently in place. Frankly, name calling and generalization of license classes takes the credibility out of one's position or statement when posted.

There are some however, that have made it obvious they have no intention towards working towards an upgrade but want one, and to me, that doesn't make any sense. But then again, some individuals have set themselves in concrete to not pursue an upgrade for whatever reason and hell or high water, they won't conform to the current process. To each their own.

But to get back to your posting.
True, a person can post and due to poor use of expression, language, versed in writing skills, etc., post something that reads different then the real intent. However, using terms such as "elite", and other such generalizations, etc., comes across moreso of an embittered attitude. I also have taken into consideration, this wasn't this individuals only post. Re-read some of the previous ones and you can see the mentality coming through in the text.

I have to wonder, would that attitude change if that individual actually upgraded via the proposed restructuring if it were applied? Would they then also become one of the "elite", regardless of methodology of license class change?

2 cents worth.

N7AAO

07-26-2004, 03:28 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ July 26 2004,08:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have to wonder, would that attitude change if that individual actually upgraded via the proposed restructuring if it were applied? #Would they then also become one of the "elite", regardless of methodology of license class change?

2 cents worth.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, if he proposed restructuring does happen and all these Techs become Generals, then the "elite" would probably be redefined to be "Generals that took a code test and all Extras."

Essentially, stereotyping (which is what calling people "elites" is, really) is not concerned with fine distinctions... it's more about "us vs. them," and that mentality is not good for Amateur radio as a whole. Sometimes stereotyping also takes on overtones of paranoia, as in "everyone is out to get me (or my group)."

k4uug

07-26-2004, 03:29 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 25 2004,04:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">0600 GMT, July 25, 04, 3.843 MHz, various call signs from the 4th call district.

Unbridled profanity. #Failure to ID. #Sexual content lacking any redeeming artistic or educational value. #Singing. #Belching. #Slander. #Threats of physical violence.

Sorry to spoil your fun fellas, but, this is NO TIME and NO PLACE for this kind of behavior. #Clean up your act!!

Take it back to 11 meters, or take it back to the barnyard, but don't bring it to amateur radio.

How about some help from the OOs or the FCC on this bunch. #They claim to meet nightly at or about midnight eastern.

Can we get some ENFORCEMENT HERE??

Tom Friess KCØEBM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
AND THEY RANT & RAVE ABOUT CB'ers http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

SEE HOW THE PUBLIC SEE'S AMATURE RADIO OPERATORS!

"UPLC also commented on amateur radio opposition to the technology, urging the Commission to ignore "armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters" and listen to the reputable companies and entrepreneurs who are the real experts on BPL and who have overcome enormous technical obstacles to make BPL a reality in the U.S.

KC5SAS

07-26-2004, 03:58 PM

No. #This is how the public sees Amateur Radio
http://www.percs.bc.ca/News/Big10-4Article.jpg
Thats a big 10-4 good buddy.
For those scared to click on the link I'll tell you what it is. #A Canadian Ham won a Volunteer of the Year award for his Ham Radio activities. #He's pictured with his HT and the article tells of his accomplishments and he credits his peers with helping him along the way. But when it came time to make a title for the story the editor, who had probably seen to many Smokey and the Bandit films, chose to use CB slang. It's a good article. #Take a look. #Amateur Radio is mentined very favorably in it. #But to the reporter and editor and most of the general public, a radio, any radio, equals CB. #They don't know the difference nor do they care to learn.

N7AAO

07-26-2004, 04:03 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5SAS @ July 26 2004,08:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But to the reporter and editor and most of the general public, a radio, any radio, equals CB. #They don't know the difference nor do they care to learn.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree that they do not know the difference, but beg to differ on the subject of learning.

The vast majority of people I speak to about ham radio are at least willing to learn the differences between it and CB radio, even if they are not interested in getting their own license.

07-26-2004, 05:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N1OBN @ July 26 2004,05:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">an elmer and a good buddy are the same thing![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
N1OBN..... your connection of the two is not only PATENTLY incorrect but based on NO rational or reasoned evaluation.

If what you say is true.. then I am free and correct to say.

(AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ONLY AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY REAL INCIDENT)

"N1OBN has a purple heart and is a veteran but is disabled so therefore..."

"All veterans with purple hearts = disabled"

The logic is the same. which is to say it's as true as your statement.

N'ces't pas?

N7AAO

07-26-2004, 05:57 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ July 26 2004,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N1OBN @ July 26 2004,05:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">an elmer and a good buddy are the same thing![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
N1OBN..... your connection of the two is not only PATENTLY incorrect #but based on NO rational or reasoned evaluation.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
FT, my friend...

Don't waste your breath.

ai4ep

07-26-2004, 06:23 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif shucks

I listened on 3.843 last night ( Sunday into Monday ) from around 11;50 pm till around 12;15 am Central time and I did not hear any one at all.

This thread must have been read by them ( or some one read it TO them ) and they all ran off to some where else.

But I did NOT key up and ask if any one was listening, so there may have been 1, 275, 742 people LISTENING, but NO one was talking.

How else can I help ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KA3RFE

07-26-2004, 06:25 PM

What the heck is an "amature radio operator"http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

73, Pete KA3RFE

n0ov

07-26-2004, 06:30 PM

Don't ask me.

With a few exceptions, I'm seeing more internet post operators than radio operators on this thread.

(Good buddy same as Elmer............... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif )

N7AAO

07-26-2004, 06:33 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KA3RFE @ July 26 2004,11:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What the heck is an "amature radio operator"http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

73, Pete KA3RFE[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Maybe he meant "armature" radio operator... as in someone who runs a radio mounted on an armature? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

W0LC

07-26-2004, 07:32 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0MT @ July 25 2004,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have a question to those who maintain that the FCC enforcement letters are evenly distributed across all classes of licenses. How do you know this "fact?" If you will look carefully the ARRL publishes (in their own words), "A representative listing of recent Amateur Radio enforcement-related letters from the files of the FCC Enforcement Bureau . . ."

In other words the ARRL has chosen what they feel is a representative listing. Maybe by "representative" they mean picking an equal number of letters by license class. While it might be true that the letters are, in fact, distributed equally across all license classes, if your source is the ARRL published letters, you are on thin ice with that assertion.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That is very simple. Read some of the enforcement logs which I have done periodically over the years. I don't know the exact numbers, and why that should even be an issue, but there are all license classes listed from time to time. The license class means nothing, the inappropriate action does.

The ARRL usually picks either high profile issues that have been visible for years or issues that have been frequent but not resolved. They don't pick a particular license class to publish the enforcement action, just as your local news station doesn't present all the particular crimes committed.

I choose to go to the FCC Enforcement logs/letters for my info. Straight from the horse's behind!

W0LC

07-26-2004, 07:33 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 26 2004,10:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ July 26 2004,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N1OBN @ July 26 2004,05:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">an elmer and a good buddy are the same thing![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
N1OBN..... your connection of the two is not only PATENTLY incorrect #but based on NO rational or reasoned evaluation.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
FT, my friend...

Don't waste your breath.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
When you see remarks like:
"Our extra elites gave us the image "armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters"", what does that tell you? I rest my case!

Have to agree with AAO on that prognosis. #

You are wasting key strokes.

W0LC

07-26-2004, 07:34 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KA3RFE @ July 26 2004,11:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What the heck is an "amature radio operator"http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

73, Pete KA3RFE[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Maybe the poster meant to say "immature" radio operator....
That might fit better...hi! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

N7AAO

07-26-2004, 07:36 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ July 26 2004,12:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KA3RFE @ July 26 2004,11:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What the heck is an "amature radio operator"http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

73, Pete KA3RFE[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Maybe the poster meant to say "immature" radio operator....
That might fit better...hi! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, I was just trying to understand what he was misspelling.

I think I will see if the VECs will make Question 1 on every single test a question to spell the word "amateur." Fail that, no license.

w6ez

07-26-2004, 08:33 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
I think I will see if the VECs will make Question 1 on every single test a question to spell the word "amateur." Fail that, no license. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I guess people with dyslexia can't be licensed amateur radio operators now.

N7AAO

07-26-2004, 08:39 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6ez @ July 26 2004,13:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
I think I will see if the VECs will make Question 1 on every single test a question to spell the word "amateur." Fail that, no license. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I guess people with dyslexia can't be licensed amateur radio operators now.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'm sure we can come up with an accomodation for it... I just want to keep people out who don't care enough about it to make the effort to even try to spell it right.

m0dhs

07-26-2004, 08:47 PM

Hmmmmm, America, land of the free "and easy" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Dont have such a problem in the UK.

English men and gentlemen!

w5lda

07-26-2004, 09:13 PM

You guys need to quit trying to police others on the internet when they state their opinion you dont agree with.I never catagorized any license class whether you can see it or not.Don't assume!The elite crew is not any particular class of license,just those that try to sway anothers opinion that they don't agree with then flame them when they don't understand.Does the shoe fit you?
You bet it does.With your replies,you just proved it for all to see.A little psychology "does" work.Now do something different and turn your rig on and make some contacts.

kd5vsg

ai4ep

07-26-2004, 10:29 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif hey I know I have a good antenna... talked to IOWA on 5 watts from Alabama....how much better can it be ?

W0LC

07-27-2004, 11:34 AM

"I never catagorized any license class whether you can see it or not"....

Have to wonder what "extra elites" are....

Where are those glasses?? I just can't see it clearly.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KC5SAS

07-27-2004, 11:49 AM

Wow. I can't wait to pass the code and get on HF so I can belch and cuss across the country or around the world. I'm really looking forward to meeting a higher class of operator when I upgrade.
BBBBuuuuurrrrrpppp!!

ai4ep

07-27-2004, 02:51 PM

...you do NOT need to be a GENERAL or EXTRA class operator to BELCH across the nation...

1) use CB

2) use echolink

Listened to that "special " frequency last night again..3.843... heard a few folks, all use the call sign, no nationwide belching, no bad talk ( nothing you did not hear a few hours earlier with the DEMOCRATIC convention on tv ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif and nothing illegal was heard.

W0LC

07-27-2004, 02:59 PM

Couldn't have been any General class ops, only "extra elites". They are the ones that do everything on the HF bands you know! Everyone else set the proper example, does it one better, etc. Come on now, quit lumping the Generals in there too with that crowd!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

N7AAO

07-27-2004, 03:17 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ July 27 2004,07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Couldn't have been any General class ops, only "extra elites". #They are the ones that do everything on the HF bands you know! #Everyone else set the proper example, does it one better, etc. #Come on now, quit lumping the Generals in there too with that crowd!

#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Is an Extra automatically one of the "elite," or are there nice Extras too?

ai4ep

07-27-2004, 04:01 PM

( harumph !! ) To the best of my knowledge, there are NO " elite " amongst (*sp) the GENERAL class...only the EXTRA.

I have been told that I am omongst the " snobbiest, most elit iest, " of the EXTRA class operators.

Aint gonna be no need in just giving away that " elite " honor to just any old general... imho you gotta be an EXTRA...nodoubtaboutit !!!

hee hee hee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

{ heck I only missed 3 out of 50 questions, and I red "big dummy s guide to CB radio " to study by }

N7AAO

07-27-2004, 04:05 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 27 2004,09:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">( harumph !! #) #To the best of my knowledge, there are NO " elite " amongst (*sp) the GENERAL class...only the EXTRA.

I have been told that I am omongst the " snobbiest, most elit iest, " # of the EXTRA class operators.

Aint gonna be no need in just giving away that " elite " honor to just any old general... imho #you gotta be an EXTRA...nodoubtaboutit #!!!

hee hee hee #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

{ heck I only missed 3 out of 50 questions, and I red "big dummy s guide to CB radio " #to study by }[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sorry, I couldn't read any of your message... I had my "elite filter" on. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

ai4ep

07-27-2004, 04:14 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif so sorry sir/madam I had my " EXTRA from out of my call district " filter installed and could not read your crummy message.

Let me reverse the leads and it becomes a " GENERAL / NCT combo unit " filter.

If I were not so cheap I would buy another and use BOTH at the same time.

..yea, yea, it goes " in line " ( like an external swr meter with the so-239 connectors )
with the coax

hee hee hee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

N7AAO

07-27-2004, 04:16 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 27 2004,09:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif so sorry sir/madam #I had my " EXTRA from out of my call district " #filter installed and could not read your crummy message.

Let me reverse the leads and it becomes a " GENERAL / NCT #combo unit #" #filter.

If I were not so cheap I would buy another and use BOTH at the same time.

..yea, yea, #it goes " in line " ( like an external swr meter with the so-239 connectors )
#with the coax

hee hee hee # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What I am working on now is a Troll/Bravo Sierra filter for this board... but I will probably see 3 messages a week with such a filter installed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

kc0ebm

07-27-2004, 04:26 PM

Just curious if anybody has witnessed the violations that occur nightly on 3.843 MHz.

When I started this thread, I gave direct quotes of some of the language that I heard on this frequency. It was so bad that the Editor of QRZ had to take it down.

I'm glad he did. It isn't fit for QRZ. But neither is it fit for amateur radio. I just posted it to shock some of you people into realizing just how bad a problem we really have.

But, if you really want to know, just dial up 3.843 at about midnight eastern and listen for yourselves. Just make sure you wear a headset, or keep the kids out of the shack. You may have to listen for awhile, but before too long you will hear crap that you never thought you'd ever hear on amateur radio.

In three nights running, the only word I haven't heard is the "F" word. But I've heard everything but the F word.

Is this ok with you guys? Doesn't anybody care?

EBM

ky5u

07-27-2004, 04:31 PM

I'll listen tonight, Tom. Thanks for the heads up.

07-27-2004, 04:34 PM

Tom,

of course we care.. it is just that few of us really want to give these idiots any more publicity than they already have.

That's why we tend NOT to post/talk about 'em, by and large.

K3FT

kc0ebm

07-27-2004, 04:42 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ July 27 2004,09:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Tom,

of course we care.. it is just that few of us really want to give these idiots any more publicity than they already have.

That's why we tend NOT to post/talk about 'em, by and large.

K3FT[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I know, Chuck.

But this crap enfuriates me. I'm ready to give em more attention than they ever dreamed possible, and not at all the kind of attention they crave.

Somebody's gotta do something! I can't sit still.

I'm sorry you guys have to put up with me. I'm just different I guess.

Please pray for me.

Tom

W0UZR

07-27-2004, 05:25 PM

I'll listen on 3843 and as soon as I hear some bad language, I'll pipe up and tell them to knock it off.
And if they think they can run ramshod over me then
you pipe up and after you get done I'll pipe up, and
then we'll both talk at the same time. And we'll keep
going untill we've confiscated the frequency.

KB5WX

07-27-2004, 05:36 PM

Before you guys hijack the frequency , you need to check your license priveledges . 3.843 is for Advanced and Extra class . I don't want to see you guys get in trouble over somthing like that . I'll be listening myself . Just keep those recorders ready fellas .

73
Randy ( AI4FP )
Fists # 10542
ARRL VE
Member of SPAR

W0LC

07-27-2004, 06:05 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 27 2004,08:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ July 27 2004,07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Couldn't have been any General class ops, only "extra elites". #They are the ones that do everything on the HF bands you know! #Everyone else set the proper example, does it one better, etc. #Come on now, quit lumping the Generals in there too with that crowd!

#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Is an Extra automatically one of the "elite," or are there nice Extras too?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I dunno. Any time certain individuals mention "Extra", there usually is an adjective attached to it...I find it sad but amusing at the same time....

Seriously, most "extras" I meet are really nice guys as are many Generals, Advanced, Techs, etc.

W5HTW

07-27-2004, 06:09 PM

Nuttin' special about Extra - a few more kilohertz, dat's all

W0LC

07-27-2004, 06:10 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 27 2004,09:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just curious if anybody has witnessed the violations that occur nightly on 3.843 MHz.

When I started this thread, I gave direct quotes of some of the language that I heard on this frequency. #It was so bad that the Editor of QRZ had to take it down.

I'm glad he did. #It isn't fit for QRZ. #But neither is it fit for amateur radio. #I just posted it to shock some of you people into realizing just how bad a problem we really have.

But, if you really want to know, just dial up 3.843 at about midnight eastern and listen for yourselves. #Just make sure you wear a headset, or keep the kids out of the shack. #You may have to listen for awhile, but before too long you will hear crap that you never thought you'd ever hear on amateur radio. #

In three nights running, the only word I haven't heard is the "F" word. #But I've heard everything but the F word.

Is this ok with you guys? #Doesn't anybody care?

EBM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
To answer your question, "yes" we do care, regardless of what license class we are or they are. Taping the QSO's and sending it in with a letter describing the situation, etc., helps. The more the merrier. Too many individuals keep replying to your initial posting about how bad certain license classes are, etc., when there are in fact, bad eggs in all the classes. Some you hear about more then others. Most of us (serious minded ops) want these bad eggs out of the basket.

To be frank. This type of nonsense has gone on for years. 14.313 was a favorite. 3.895 was another, 3.950 was another and so it goes. It never was restricted to a particular license class. It was pure and simple, a group of ops that felt the need to voice themselves in such a fashion, much like some of the shock jocks do.

Just keep the tape rolling and send it in with a letter to the FCC and they will get the picture and perhaps, move to get these eggs out of our basket.

W0LC

07-27-2004, 06:11 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ July 27 2004,11:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nuttin' special about Extra - a few more kilohertz, dat's all[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's about right. A few harder test questions, 20 WPM code test (back then) but operating wise, about the same as general and advanced, just a tad more frequency.

07-27-2004, 07:21 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ July 27 2004,06:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'll listen on 3843 and as soon as I hear some bad language, I'll pipe up and tell them to knock it off.
And if they think they can run ramshod over me then
you pipe up and after you get done I'll pipe up, and
then we'll both talk at the same time. And we'll keep
going untill we've confiscated the frequency.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
..and then the battle royal will commence to see WHO can keep and hold the frequency the longest!

Good grief! #It will be the W.W.E of ham radio!

Tom's recorder is gonna burn out!

[I]Ladeees annnnddd Gentlemennnnnn.. The title bout in the WorldWide Hamming Federation #Battle Royale! #On this frequency.. from Hibbing, Minnesota.. weighing in with 100 watts of RF power... The Challenger... KAY BEE ZERO EWE ZED ARE!!! (whistles, carriers, tones).. And the current holders of the frequency... THE UNKNOWN AMATEURS!!! #(whistles, carriers, profanties...)

This will be a 10 go-round battle for supremecy of the frequency. There is no time limit, no power limit, and no Part 97 limits! #At the sound of the CW 'K' (da-di-dah) come out QRM'ing!!!" #[I]

DA-DI-DAH!!!!

BIG GRIN!

N7AAO

07-27-2004, 07:23 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ July 27 2004,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'll listen on 3843 and as soon as I hear some bad language, I'll pipe up and tell them to knock it off.
And if they think they can run ramshod over me then
you pipe up and after you get done I'll pipe up, and
then we'll both talk at the same time. And we'll keep
going untill we've confiscated the frequency.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Of course, you realize that if the people that you are trying to talk over have license classes that allow them access to that frequency, that you are then yourself in violation of Section 97 by causing "harmful interference" to a licensed user. There's no provision allowing you to talk over a properly licensed user of the frequency, regardless of whatever violations they may be committing.

You might be the one to get the Rileygram, not them.

kc0ebm

07-27-2004, 09:02 PM

UZR and others. I am not now, nor have I ever advocated on air confrontations. That only adds to the problem. Besides, all you will do is mess up my recordings.

Furthermore, it is unlawful to engage in QSO with an illegal station.

Additionally, any unwelcomed comment from any of us might well be regarded by them as malicious interference.

I will have no part in a confrontation on the air with these clowns.

Besides, I'm not even licensed to talk on that frequency.

I will just let my recorder do the work, and I don't want any of you guys on the recording.

Please UZR, think about it.

I know you will do the right thing.

Thanks

Tom

ai4ep

07-27-2004, 11:42 PM

AI4FP... that is one of the BEST things about being EXTRA class ...you do not have to worry about those boundary lines between the GENERAL and EXTRA class so far as legal transmitting boundaries....but enuf of that.

See, YOU dont have to worry about that either, with YOU being EXTRA class.

---------

I figure these folks are aware that folks are listening to them...either they CAN read ( yes, folks in 4 land CAN read, believe it or not ) and have been to this web site and SEEN all the publicity allocated to them.

or

some one has told them OFF THE AIR that they are getting the attention and are acting nice for a while till the heat is off.

or

EBM just heard them on one special night, and reacted in a good way. {{ HE is appreciated, even though I dont let him know it. shhhh http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif let us not tell him, ok ? }}

===ai4ep---

N7AAO

07-28-2004, 01:26 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 27 2004,14:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Furthermore, it is unlawful to engage in QSO with an illegal station.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, I think Riley has said that it is acceptable to tell an unlicensed operator to get the heck off the frequency. I could be wrong, tho.

ai4ep

07-28-2004, 01:35 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif n7aao...it MIGHT be better if 2 or more tell them about it...

but then that could be a lousy idea http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

N7AAO

07-28-2004, 01:39 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 27 2004,18:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif n7aao...it MIGHT be better if 2 or more tell them about it...

but then that could be a lousy idea http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Naah, if they won't listen to one, they probably wouldn't listen to two.

W0LC

07-28-2004, 11:53 AM

Speaking of "Riley"....has anyone bothered to contact him about this to have him take a listen???

Might be more worthwhile then contacting the FCC directly. Just a thought from an "extra large".

AI4FR

07-28-2004, 12:30 PM

Amen to your first post kc0ebm!!!

kc0ebm

07-28-2004, 12:47 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AI4FR @ July 28 2004,05:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Amen to your first post kc0ebm!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks John,

You must have listened last night.

Now mind you, that behavior and that language was conducted in the full knowledge that I was listening and taping and was more than willing to file a complaint.

Yesterday, I looked up AE4FB and read his QRZ Bio. I took the advise that he gave at the end of his bio and gave him a very brief and very concise telephone call. Then, I backed it up with an equally brief and concise e-mail.

You will be thrilled to know that last night was by far the tamest and most compliant night for these clowns in the last 4 nights.

I am hopeful that the whining and the vengeance will subside and full compliance will prevail on 3843. But, one way or the other, if they can't decide to comply on their own, I will be there every damn night doing what I do.

Thanks for your post, John

Tom

N7AAO

07-28-2004, 02:09 PM

Good going, John!

Just goes to show, if you stand up to them, most people will straighten up and fly right... at least for a while. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

W0UZR

07-28-2004, 03:33 PM

N7AAO said
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of course, you realize that if the people that you are trying to talk over have license classes that allow them access to that frequency, that you are then yourself in violation of Section 97 by causing "harmful interference" to a licensed user.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Allright,,,
It dawned on me that it was the advanced frequencies after I looked at it closer and I posted that...

AI4FR

07-28-2004, 08:11 PM

kc0ebm, no sir I did not hear them the nights in question. But I have scanned thru there in the past and was very thankful that my young son who is showing a severe interest in ham radio was not in the room with me when some of these guys spoke. These people give us all a bad name.....Worldwide!!

KC8QMU

07-28-2004, 08:42 PM

If you guys hate the occupants of this frequency so much, then why do you boost their audience by posting this stuff on QRZ?

If you really wanted to bust them, why wouldn't you be quiet about the whole thing, tape it and send it in?

I'm not following the logic, here.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

W0LC

07-28-2004, 08:49 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AI4FR @ July 28 2004,13:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kc0ebm, no sir I did not hear them the nights in question. But I have scanned thru there in the past and was very thankful that my young son who is showing a severe interest in ham radio was not in the room with me when some of these guys spoke. These people give us all a bad name.....Worldwide!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Bottomline is: We need serious enforcement, on all bands, all modes.

Unfortunately, the FCC seems to focus on one mode/band during some of the enforcement periods and isn't sufficiently funded to enforce proper operation on all bands consistently.
I would highly recommend sending in tape recordings, logs, etc. on a frequent basis (i.e. every month) until you get some focus. I would also CC Riley and the ARRL. Doesn't hurt to have more eyes on the issue.

GL

kc0ebm

07-28-2004, 09:57 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N1OBN @ July 28 2004,13:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">record their HF operation and post them on the net with an audio link,Ive got 6 of one guy here and a few of some others.No excuse for that conduct belching farting and child like behavior even if they are drunks! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
OBN,

That is an excellent idea. But I don't know how to do it. Can you help me figure out how to do what you suggest?

Tom

AI4FR

07-28-2004, 10:12 PM

KC8QMU,listen to them some night when you have time. They simply do not care and will continue doing what they do. They will not stop unless forced to do so. Trust me, it is a real shocker to hear them. Since we all know about them, as it has been happening for some time now, the true question is why does the fcc just sit on the side lines. These guys would be a super easy target to get evidence on.

kc0ebm

07-28-2004, 10:29 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC8QMU @ July 28 2004,13:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you guys hate the occupants of this frequency so much, then why do you boost their audience by posting this stuff on QRZ?

If you really wanted to bust them, why wouldn't you be quiet about the whole thing, tape it and send it in?

I'm not following the logic, here.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
QMU,

This isn't about HATE!

This is about rules compliance and the average amateurs part in helping to police the bands.

Its called "PEER PRESSURE".

Its called "Grassroots Rules Enforcement".

Grassroots Rules Enforcement is all that we will have left when the FCC takes another powder. Its all that will fill the enforcement void when the FCC's enforcement budget runs thin again.

Grassroots Rules Enforcement is the part of enforcement that will NEVER go away. Its the part that ISN'T subject to the whims of politics, budget cuts, or a shift in emphasis.

Grassroots Rules Enforcement is OUR wing of the enforcement bureau. Its the part that lurks among the kilocycles on every frequency, day or night, 24/7/365. Its the part of enforcement that NEVER goes on vacation. We don't send out worthless "OO" cards that immediately wind up in 'file 13'. We record violations and file complaints.

Grassroots Rules Enforcement is an outcropping of the extended lack of REAL enforcement by the FCC. Its amateurs fulfulling their proper roll in a "self policing service".

Its what we should have been doing all along.

Its called, "we're fed up and we're not going to take it anymore".

This is about taking seriously and taking action to do OUR part to preserve the "Service".

This isn't about HATE.

This is about LOVE for the Service.

EBM

KC8QMU

07-29-2004, 12:44 AM

EBM,

I realize that I have picked the wrong words for my post, and I agree with you about it not necessarily being "hate", rather than an observation (and possibly hate for bad operating practices).

I just think that you are probably giving them more of an audience than anything else by posting this in a thread on the site. We all know you have made many threads on this site about operations you have found to be objectionable, so why wouldn't you PM or email those who wish to do the same OO type work as you are trying to do saying to monitor or record certain frequencies at certain times?

Hey, I'm not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't do, but just giving you my 2 cents worth on what I think would be the most effective plan. (Yes, I know, that and 97 more cents gets you a cup of coffee.) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ai4ep

07-29-2004, 01:58 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Let he who is without sin cast the first stone http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

kc0ebm

07-29-2004, 03:43 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC8QMU @ July 28 2004,17:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">EBM,

# I realize that I have picked the wrong words for my post, and I agree with you about it not necessarily being "hate", rather than an observation (and possibly hate for bad operating practices).

#I just think that you are probably giving them more of an audience than anything else by posting this in a thread on the site. We all know you have made many threads on this site about operations you have found to be objectionable, so why wouldn't you PM or email those who wish to do the same OO type work as you are trying to do saying to monitor or record certain frequencies at certain times? #

#Hey, I'm not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't do, but just giving you my 2 cents worth on what I think would be the most effective plan. (Yes, I know, that and 97 more cents gets you a cup of coffee.) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
QMU,

You are entitled to your opinion. But I think its important to discuss this matter out in the open. I think its time for the entire amateur radio community to be advised that there are many of us licensees that are fed up with these kinds of people and are ready to do something about it.

I can tell you from personal experience that this message has gotten out and a lot of morons have taken the hint and cleaned up their act. Listen around the band, QMU. There has been a stark reduction in the amount of crap that has become the norm on 75 meters. Why? Because those idiots have learned that we aren't going to put up with it anymore. And how did they find out? Because of the noise I and others are making here on QRZ and other places.

Better to get the word out and give these morons a chance to wake up and smell the coffee before the hammer drops. And those that don't take my warnings seriously better hope and pray to God that the next time they open their Lidiot traps on 75 meters to violate the law, either myself, or another concerned amateur might be there recording their moronic BS so it will finally come back and haunt them.

This message is beginning more and more to resonnate with people. If we want to take back amateur radio, and 75 meters particularly, we are going to have to do some sweating. Its a lot of work, but, its worth it.

Its people like Bobby AI4EP that need to get a clue. We mean business. And we are piling up rocks and we are going to start throwing at every moron that comes down the pike.

Congress and Mr Powell have finally given Mr Hollingsworth some money, and now we want some damn enforcement. And we're going to do whatever we can to make it count this time.

This should be no secret QMU. We should be screaming this from the roof tops.

Enough is enough.

Disagree, call us names, accuse us falsely of being guilty of the same sins we abhore, do whatever you want. I'm not going to sit down and shut up. And I'm not taking any more moronic comments from the idiot likes of AI4EP that can't decide from one moment to the next whose side he's on in this matter. Why, because .... IT DON"T MATTER!!!

Damn the torpedoes...full speed ahead....don't look back...only look forward....take NO friggin prisoners!!!

Good hams stay....LIDS pack!!!

No offense taken QMU....and no offense intended....to you, that is.

73

Tom Friess KCØEBM

W0UZR

07-29-2004, 07:52 AM

You'd better change those personal attacks in those posts quick before Glen sees this, or your postings on QRZ is going to end.

k9kxq

07-29-2004, 09:15 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 27 2004,21:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 28 2004,18:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Let he who is without sin cast the first stone #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Bobby,

You condone this kind of adolescent moronic crap don't you. #I'll bet when you are on your CB, you say all sorts of stupid stuff to impress all your illiterate knuckle dragging Neanderthal friends. #I know what kind of friends you keep, Bobby. #

Then you come to QRZ and pretend to be an amateur. #An extra class amateur. #No, I haven't forgotten Bobby. #You brag about it like it is the greatest accomplishment in your life. #

Why don't you get a life!

Now that you've memorized your way to extra, now you can go down to 3.843 and participate with another group of anarchistic morons. #I'll just bet you'd find a lot in common with those morons. #Why don't you take your illiterate incoherent BS down there, Bobby! #You'd probably make more sense to those who are just as illiterate and incoherent as you are. #We know that to be very true, now don't we, Bobby!

Just remember! #I'm listening. #And I'm recording, Bobby!

Moron!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Tom Friess KCØEBM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Tommy, allow me to try and give an explanation to Roberts post.

Now knowing Robert and reading the majority of his threads and post, I think he made an honest mistake, he (imo) thought he was posting to my thread "Wise Old Sayings" you know the one your so vain you thought this thread was about you.

I hope this has helped you to understand that people make mistakes, and you really should edit all them nasty things you wrote about Robert #(like kb0uzr cautioned) before Mr. Glen and the folks here on QRZ see it and make a wise old decision to kick your a$$ to the curb.

Tommy, please don't call me nasty,mean names for just trying to give you a good explaination of what I thought, you hurt me very deeply when you do these bad mean nasty things here on QRZ.

Be nice, enjoy ham radio... 73 from kxq

K9STH

07-29-2004, 02:59 PM

EBM:

You have been repeatedly warned about personal attacks! No More!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

wd0ct

07-29-2004, 08:39 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K9STH @ July 29 2004,07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">EBM:

You have been repeatedly warned about personal attacks! #No More!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
lmao!

What a hoot. Same old tired warning huh. I have seen you warn ebm so many times it is laughable. You won't do anything and neither will anyone else from the owner on down.

m0dhs

07-29-2004, 08:42 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd0ct @ July 29 2004,13:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K9STH @ July 29 2004,07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">EBM:

You have been repeatedly warned about personal attacks! #No More!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
lmao!

What a hoot. Same old tired warning huh. I have seen you warn ebm so many times it is laughable. You won't do anything and neither will anyone else from the owner on down.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thought I was the only one to notice the favouritism going on.

wd0ct

07-29-2004, 08:51 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (m0dhs @ July 29 2004,13:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd0ct @ July 29 2004,13:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K9STH @ July 29 2004,07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">EBM:

You have been repeatedly warned about personal attacks! #No More!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
lmao!

What a hoot. Same old tired warning huh. I have seen you warn ebm so many times it is laughable. You won't do anything and neither will anyone else from the owner on down.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thought I was the only one to notice the favouritism going on.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Favouritism is right. Ever since ebm started the biggest debacle ever on qrz with his lid hunt this has been going on.

Glen gives him a STERN [lol] warning every so often and that is the end of it. It is a running joke and anyone with any sense can see it.

No one on qrz has gotten away with more personal attacks, name calling, and slander than ebm.

NN3W

07-29-2004, 08:53 PM

The funny thing is that KC0EBM makes me want to listen to the show on 3843. I'm sure it'll be quite a hoot.

Just like 147.435 in L.A., 7258 in Southern California, and 14313. Folks just can't get enough of it and EBM is their best word-of-mouth advertising entity.

Congratulations.

KA9VQF

07-29-2004, 09:00 PM

I seriously doubt that Glen is showing any favoritism here. There is an old adage that says ’Given enough rope you can surly hang yourself’ I think the only question is how much more rope does this individual need?

W0UZR

07-29-2004, 10:33 PM

PFFHEW !!
When you look at that what he wrote, 2 things come to me.

He was in such of a hose's petute mood that all reasoning and reality was gone when he wrote that,,OR,,,

He wants to get away from here but knew he couldn't on his own,,like an alcoholic can't stay away from a drink on his own, So,,,

He wrote that in order to get himself banned so he couldn't be tempted to come back and post anymore.

I can't see how anyone despite how ticked off he was couldn't know what the results of this would be...

07-29-2004, 10:36 PM

wd0ct; I agree........
m0dhs; I agree........
NN3W; I agree........

KA9VQF

07-29-2004, 10:37 PM

Perhaps he needs some rope of his own to knit into a door mat or afgan.

K9STH

07-29-2004, 11:08 PM

Several individuals have been given the "word" by the "powers that be" on this site as of this afternoon. All of them have been placed on probation and even one minor slip and they are history.

Remember, I do NOT have the power to ban. I can recommend banning and my recommendations are usually, but not always, granted.

Glen, K9STH

k9kxq

07-29-2004, 11:20 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ July 28 2004,16:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PFFHEW !!
When you look at that what he wrote, 2 things come to me.

He was in such of a hose's petute mood that all reasoning and reality was gone when he wrote that,,OR,,,

He wants to get away from here but knew he couldn't on his own,,like an alcoholic can't stay away from a drink on his own, So,,,

He wrote that in order to get himself banned so he couldn't be tempted to come back and post anymore.

I can't see how anyone despite how ticked off he was couldn't know what the results of this would be...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

UZR,two things come to mind!

1. He has a special place reserved in "News Groups"
2. He owns big shares of stock in QRZ.

wd0ct, you thin #2 is the real deal ?

Be nice, enjoy ham radio... kxq

wd0ct

07-29-2004, 11:31 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k9kxq @ July 29 2004,16:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ July 28 2004,16:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PFFHEW !!
When you look at that what he wrote, 2 things come to me.

He was in such of a hose's petute mood that all reasoning and reality was gone when he wrote that,,OR,,,

He wants to get away from here but knew he couldn't on his own,,like an alcoholic can't stay away from a drink on his own, So,,,

He wrote that in order to get himself banned so he couldn't be tempted to come back and post anymore.

I can't see how anyone despite how ticked off he was couldn't know what the results of this would be...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

UZR,two things come to mind!

1. He has a special place reserved in "News Groups"
2. He owns big shares of stock in QRZ.

wd0ct, you thin #2 is the real deal ?

Be nice, enjoy ham radio... kxq[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
kxq,

Sure seems like it doesn't it.

W0BLH

07-30-2004, 04:57 AM

It finally sounds like there may a stop to the wildly fluctuating mood swings this individual has and he gets some help.

WDØCT & K9KXQ you are right on track!

Andy
BLH

ai4ep

08-10-2004, 12:45 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif tried listening to this frequency for a while tonight.

It appears from what I did hear that those who are (more or less ) running the frequency, IF they WANT to let you talk, they will, otherwise just be quiet; or go elsewhere.

I sure hope this idea does not spread out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

But then, life goes on.

So I tuned elsewhere.

73

===ai4ep---

k4uug

08-10-2004, 01:12 PM

I believe that attitude is the Achilles Heel of the Amateur Radio. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

W0LC

08-10-2004, 03:22 PM

STH:
It is sad Glen that some of these posts degenerate into name calling etc. and ultimately the lock down. I don't understand why there seems to be such great difficulty in holding a rational conversation on here. I have even run into a few of the posters on the air and have had a good chuckle or two.

I have at times, enjoyed reading some of the other individuals' perspectives on some topics, and even to the point where I see something I didn't notice before.
Some of the others, let's just say I just scroll past. It isn't worth the pixels to read some of the tripe that is posted.

Either meds are running low or are scarce lately or this mentality hops from one forum topic to another.

Two lock downs and I am sure more to follow.

Time to spin the dial.

kg4kww

08-10-2004, 08:16 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KC0EBM---Unbridled profanity. Failure to ID. Sexual content lacking any redeeming artistic or educational value. Singing. Belching. Slander. Threats of physical violence. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You mean out all you described in the above sentence,
you didn't hear any FARTING?

And you thought CW would keep the trash off of HF!!!

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

W0LC

08-10-2004, 08:39 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ Aug. 10 2004,13:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KC0EBM---Unbridled profanity. #Failure to ID. #Sexual content lacking any redeeming artistic or educational value. #Singing. #Belching. #Slander. #Threats of physical violence. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You mean out all you described in the above sentence,
you didn't hear any FARTING?

And you thought CW would keep the trash off of HF!!!

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Funny...I never found where a CW test kept individuals from acting like asses and acting more their age. For that matter, for some individuals, maturity doesn't come with book learning or memorization of test answers. It comes with a sense of character and mental stability.

Just as passing a driving test doesn't make anyone a good driver.

In fact, I have heard the same exact activities on VHF and UHF frequencies as well, where CW also had nothing to do with keeping out this rif raf. (One of my many reasons I don't do VHF/UHF repeaters).

I suppose no testing element (cw, written, technical, rules and regulations, etc.) will keep individuals from acting like undisciplined, spoiled, self centered children.

Sad though, that after all the effort, monetary expense to purchase equipment, restructing of the hobby to entice more of the same, etc., some individuals would stoop so low as to devalue the hobby.

For them, this is a method to sit behind a microphone and make gutteral noises and lewd comments to someone without a face or name.

Makes one wonder "why did they bother to get into amateur radio in the first place???"

ai4ep

08-10-2004, 08:42 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif kww...that aint fair !!

but

I am laughing , not at the words you say, but knowing there IS truth to those words. You are correct.

just because you have been up & down a flight of stairs for the past 2 years 15 times a day does not mean that the next time you wont trip and stumble.

It just means that " life goes on " http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

===ai4ep--- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

k9kxq

08-10-2004, 09:45 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ Aug. 09 2004,09:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">STH:
It is sad Glen that some of these posts degenerate into name calling etc. and ultimately the lock down. #I don't understand why there seems to be such great difficulty in holding a rational conversation on here. #I have even run into a few of the posters on the air and have had a good chuckle or two. #

I have at times, enjoyed reading some of the other individuals' perspectives on some topics, and even to the point where I see something I didn't notice before.
Some of the others, let's just say I just scroll past. #It isn't worth the pixels to read some of the tripe that is posted.

Either meds are running low or are scarce lately or this mentality hops from one forum topic to another. #

Two lock downs and I am sure more to follow.

Time to spin the dial.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
W0LC, I agree and disagree:
I agree with this statement:Either meds are running low or are scarce lately or this mentality hops from one forum topic to another.

This individual has spouted and spewed more insults with the names and calls attached than Webster's Illustrated Dictionary,"moron, mental midget moron mentor,sugar britches,knuckle dragging neanderthal". I can't understand why this was allowed for so long a time.

I disagree with this statement:"Two lock downs and I am sure more to follow.Time to spin the dial"

Alas, this individual is on thin ice, probation #for the wicked hateful, mean nasty insults spewed.

QUOTE: "You have been repeatedly warned about personal attacks! #No More!"

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

Be nice, enjoy ham radio, it's a hobby and fun for those who make it fun...kxq

wd0ct

08-10-2004, 11:55 PM

k9kxq: "This individual has spouted and spewed more insults with the names and calls attached than Webster's Illustrated Dictionary,"moron, mental midget moron mentor,sugar britches,knuckle dragging neanderthal". I can't understand why this was allowed for so long a time.

I disagree with this statement:"Two lock downs and I am sure more to follow.Time to spin the dial"

Alas, this individual is on thin ice, probation for the wicked hateful, mean nasty insults spewed.

QUOTE: "You have been repeatedly warned about personal attacks! No More!"

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

Be nice, enjoy ham radio, it's a hobby and fun for those who make it fun...kxq"

It is a shame that this individual has been allowed to remain on this forum. Numerous warnings have went unheeded yet he is still here.

I KNOW this situation was brought to the attention of the authorities on qrz over a year ago. It smells funny.

w5lda

08-11-2004, 12:28 AM

And you can't call someone a jackass either.

Larry kd5vsg

KI4DYA

08-11-2004, 01:12 AM

But you CAN say jackass.
Remind anyone of a certain SouthPark episode?
The one where they say 'sh*t'?
Fricken' hillarious.

W0LC

08-11-2004, 12:29 PM

Well, the entire post has once again, digressed into categorizations, name calling, etc. It is no wonder some of the posts are locked down. After a point, they all smell the same. I anticipate a lock down on this one may be forthcoming. Have to agree. It should have been done already.

ai4ep

08-11-2004, 03:38 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif it was quiet last night for the 15 seconds I was listening !!

===ai4ep--- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

( I like these 2 new " wide-eyed " smiley s )

N7AAO

08-11-2004, 03:51 PM

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Aug. 11 2004,08:38)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif it was quiet last night for the 15 seconds I was listening !!

===ai4ep--- #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

( I like these 2 new " wide-eyed " smiley s )
They must have been taking a drink from their beer bottles when you turned it on. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

kc0ebm

08-11-2004, 05:14 PM

Glen,

I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that a couple guys on this board want you to ban me from QRZ. #

Seems that the light of public scrutiny and a little equal time doesn't suit them well.

Seems their violations are no longer going unnoticed and they aren't comfortable making murder threats on the air, and other threats of personal violence on the air anymore.

Seems they are discomforted knowing that their filthy jokes will no longer be tolerated.

Seems that the new light of negative public scrutiny prevents them from enjoying amateur radio like they used to. #Like they used to use it as a public platform from which to wage their own endless personal vendettas on the air for all the world to hear.

Seems they long for the days when they could launch unlimited and unrebutted personal assaults and slanders and now they just can't deal with a little equal time.

Seems they have even, once again, resorted to the mob tactic of joining forces to get me banned from this board for bringing upon them some long overdue public scrutiny and a very different form of public attention.

Now, all of a sudden, their sick jokes aren't so funny anymore. #They are constantly aware that they will account for every single word that they utter on the air. #They are constantly aware that somebody is listening and taping. #Suddenly they are aware that, for a change, there is some REAL enforcement ongoing and now THEY are the subject of ridicule and shame.

Seems they are discontented that I was allowed to use this board to generate some enthusiasm among amateurs that are just fed up with their nonsense and aren't going to take it anymore.

Seems they wish to again protest me using QRZ as a means to generate a little positive peer pressure.

Isn't it amazing that those who violate the most, scream the loudest when somebody says, "ENOUGH" ?

Isn't it amazing that those who violate the most, say that I don't have the right to tape their violations and submit them for enforcement action?

And isn't it even more amazing that they have the unmitigated gall to come here to QRZ enmasse and raise their public protest about my single handed assault upon their violations?

Well, do you know what I say to them? #TOUGH!!!

Cry all you want. #Whine all you want. #Protest all you want. #But whether its here on QRZ, or someplace else, the scrutiny will continue.

Wouldn't it be much better to finally put this all to bed by simply going by the rules and keeping your personal vendettas and slanders off the air?

Wouldn't it be better just to "Be nice and enjoy ham radio?"

Tom Friess
KCØEBM

N7AAO

08-11-2004, 05:18 PM

And the soap opera that is QRZ continues...

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif

ai4ep

08-11-2004, 08:46 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif yep...the BLUES BROTHERS with their infamous song " rubber buscuit ". That was one crazy song ( but not vulgur ) that did NOT make a bit of sense. When was that, around 1985 - 1990 ?

===ai4ep---http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

N7AAO

08-11-2004, 08:54 PM

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Aug. 11 2004,13:46)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif # yep...the BLUES BROTHERS with their infamous song " rubber buscuit ". #That was one crazy song ( but not vulgur ) that did NOT make a bit of sense. #When was that, around 1985 - 1990 #?

===ai4ep---http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I forget, I still think the best Blues Brothers song was Soul Man. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif

K8EEI

08-11-2004, 09:13 PM

1980

k4uug

08-11-2004, 09:28 PM

YAWN THATS OLD NEWShttp://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

08-11-2004, 10:00 PM

QUOTE: kc0ebm
I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that a couple guys on this board want you to ban me from QRZ.

Only "a couple"?? Darn, I could have sworn it was more than that...

ai4ep

08-11-2004, 10:20 PM

the rest of them are on the radio...50.125 / 3.965 or somewhere in between. (hee hee hee):D

===ai4ep---http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

wd0ct

08-12-2004, 05:58 AM

Quote[/b] (kc0ebm @ Aug. 11 2004,10:14)]Glen,

I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that a couple guys on this board want you to ban me from QRZ. #

Seems that the light of public scrutiny and a little equal time doesn't suit them well.

Seems their violations are no longer going unnoticed and they aren't comfortable making murder threats on the air, and other threats of personal violence on the air anymore.

Seems they are discomforted knowing that their filthy jokes will no longer be tolerated.

Seems that the new light of negative public scrutiny prevents them from enjoying amateur radio like they used to. #Like they used to use it as a public platform from which to wage their own endless personal vendettas on the air for all the world to hear.

Seems they long for the days when they could launch unlimited and unrebutted personal assaults and slanders and now they just can't deal with a little equal time.

Seems they have even, once again, resorted to the mob tactic of joining forces to get me banned from this bo