A Vote For John Kerry is a Vote For George Soros

[kc0ebm]

Friendly advice for those contemplating voting for John Kerry...

Better do some heavy duty research on the man that is bankrolling Kerry's campaign. His name is George Soros.

So far, George Soros has dumped 18 MILLION dollars into the Kerry coffers.

Regarded as the eighth richest man in the world, atheist George Soros openly admits to putting ethics aside when doing business.

Multi BILLIONARE George Soros makes his money speculating on world currencies. Betting against the British pound, Soros is said to have made 2 BILLION dollars in one single day.

He uses his billions to manipulate and control world governments, mostly those that have broken away from the former Soviet Union.

Soros is loudly outspoken about his business, personal, and social philosophies, which are easilly available on the web.

He is also outspoken about his atheism, and his utter disdain for any form of religion.

He is pro-abortion. He is pro-uthenasia. He is viciously anti-semitic and pro-Palestinian.

Soros has vocally insisted that he will spend his entire worth to put John Kerry in the White House. But Soros' loyalties are not with John Kerry; not at all. Rather, Soros is a bitter enemy of George W. Bush and the war in Iraq.

In business, Soros says "no ethics apply". In layman's terms this means that Soros has no loyalties when it comes to his investments and he has bet against the dollar for other world currencies and made BILLIONS.

Soros uses his Billions to build social reform programs, which so far have been conducted in former Soviet states, and South and Central American countries.

Soros' billions, if he chooses, can and have been used to cripple foreign economies in order to achieve cooperation with foreign governments to foster his social imperatives.

Politically, Soros can be described as a Liberal of all extreme Liberals. And when he spends his money, he never takes "NO" for an answer.

Through institutions and foundations of his own creation, he sets social agendas in vulnerable countries.

Check out the Newsweek Magazine Archives, and do a Google Search on this man, and see if this is the kind of man that you want weilding unparalleled influence in a John F. Kerry White House.

If you learn nothing about this man, at least know this! If George Soros is spending his money, you can damn well bet he won't stop spending his money until he has substantial control and influence in whatever commodity he is investing. And if he is investing so heavily in the Kerry campaign, you can damn well bet it will be he who will be calling the shots for all of us, and NOT John Kerry!

Whether you intend to vote for Kerry or Bush, you owe it to yourself to know as much as you can about the man, George Soros.

Just a bit of friendly advice.

Tom Friess KCØEBM

[kc0ebm]

Here are some links to revealing articles about Soros.

Soros compares Abu Graib prison scandal to 9-11
http://www.cnsnews.com/Politics/Archive/200406/POL20040603c.html
http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-2-95-1913.jsp

Soros ruins foreign economies
http://www.cnsnews.com/Politics/Archive/200406/POL20040603c.html

Soros' foreign social "Open Society Institutions" and Foundations
http://www.soros.org/about/foundations

Soros bankrolls Democratic Party...Ousting Bush a matter of life and death.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2....printer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24179-2003Nov10?language=printer)

Public interview with George Soros. (revealing amorality in business)
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_soros.html

More articles on George Soros
http://www.sorostrading.com/

Soros, a viscerally antisemitic Jew who favors legalization of drugs, head of the Council on Foreign Relations, advocate of gun control
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/george-soros/

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I'll consider all of the facts before I vote in November, but if the election were held today, I would vote for the democratic ticket. #This fellow may pour money into Kerry's coffers, but Kerry is under no obligation to consider anyone else's views.

Please Tom, research every dollar contributed to the Republican ticket, and show proof that there are no skeletons in that closet. #Then, and only then, will I bow to the knee-jerk reaction that your post is intended to initiate.

These polarized political posts are really becoming a bore ... ditto the mud slinging.

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ July 23 2004,04:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'll consider all of the facts before I vote in November, but if the election were held today, I would vote for the democratic ticket. #This fellow may pour money into Kerry's coffers, but Kerry is under no obligation to consider anyone else's views.

Please Tom, research every dollar contributed to the Republican ticket, and show proof that there are no skeletons in that closet. #Then, and only then, will I bow to the knee-jerk reaction that your post is intended to initiate.

These polarized political posts are really becoming a bore ... ditto the mud slinging.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Who's slinging mud now MG?

Take a look at K9KXQ's &quot;Wise Old Sayings&quot;. It is an admitted from the ground floor up thread devoted entirely to attacking me, yet not a word of complaint from me.

K9KXQ and his LIDS on 3955 discuss this thread every night and their intent is in the open. Read carefully every entry made by K9KXQ and his mental midget mentor AG4YO if you don't believe me.

These guys have made a science out of attacking me beneath Glen's radar. Just wonder how long it will be allowed to continue. But I ain't complainin. Let them have their fun. It only proves what I've claimed about that bunch. Better that they act like children and sore losers here than on the air.

Sorry you are so sympathetic to their pathetic cause MG.
But that's your problem, not mine.

EBM

[k4uug]

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May 04, 2004, 4:26 p.m.
Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
The medical description of his first wound.

By Byron York

Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have questioned the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple Hearts Kerry won in Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of Kerry's fellow veterans, have suggested that a wound suffered by Kerry in December 1968 may have made him technically eligible for a Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant serious consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart, and, along with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to leave Vietnam before his tour of duty was finished.

Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because &quot;some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts.&quot; Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush campaign or the Republican party.) What follows is Letson's memory, as he wrote it.

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.



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I'm awful sorry Tom, my reply was only in response to this post. #I am not interested in the other posts, so I'll decline to address those topics.

Still looking for the report on the donations to the Republican ticket though.

Nice use of the distraction tactic though ... if you can establish an association between me and people I don't even know, you've done a brilliant job!

BTW - I re-read my post several times ... please tell me which part of it constitutes &quot;mud-slinging&quot;. I eagerly await what will no doubt be your fascinating response.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 23 2004,07:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But that's your problem, not mine.

EBM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

And for this, I am eternally grateful.

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ July 23 2004,05:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm awful sorry Tom, my reply was only in response to this post. #I am not interested in the other posts, so I'll decline to address those topics.

Still looking for the report on the donations to the Republican ticket though.

Nice use of the distraction tactic though ... if you can establish an association between me and people I don't even know, you've done a brilliant job!

BTW - I re-read my post several times ... please tell me which part of it constitutes &quot;mud-slinging&quot;. #I eagerly await what will no doubt be your fascinating response.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Then tell me what it is about &quot;MY&quot; post that you can construe as &quot;polarizing&quot;?

Furthermore, tell me what it is about &quot;MY&quot; post that could be construed as, &quot;mud slinging&quot;?

As a matter of fact, I didn't even make a statement, other than to advise my fellow American's to read and research about this man named, George Soros.

I made no statement of opinion at all. All of my references are directed toward Soros' own words.

Quite frankly, if you read all that I've ever said on this board about politics, you would see that I am anything but polarizing or mud slinging. I leave that for those who lack the mental capacity to discuss politics like mature adult gentlemen.

If political polarization and political mudslinging are not your cup of tea, then if you were honest, you would find much in common with me. But barring that, in no way could you describe me as politically polarizing or a political mudslinger, at least not on this board.

In fact, I find political polarization infinitely damaging just now. The terror threat and terror's potential to influence our upcoming elections makes it painful for me to even read politically polar comments. This is NOT the time to be politically polar despite the fact that it is National Election time. It poses nothing but further incentives for terrorist attacks on our homeland. Any significant terrorist activity between now and Nov could decide the outcome of the elections. I think its time to show nothing short of total unity and blind determination to rid the world of terrorists. Maybe then it might be ok to be polarizing. But I'm biting my tongue until after the elections at least.

Are you SURE you're not talking about something or somebody else?

Tom

[K0RGR]

Yes, a lot of people hate George Soros.

George Soros is an immigrant from eastern Europe who was raised under Hitler and then the communists. He passionately despises both of those totalitarian societies, and opposes our current president because he believes that he recognizes in him many of the things he despised in Hitler and the Soviets.

You say that he uses his money to manipulate governments. He and his supporters call him a philanthropist. His organization claims to be interested in building free societies throughout the world. He was trained as an economist, and developed his own theory of investments, which he claims to have used to create great wealth for himself and his investors.He made his millions by speculating on currencies, and is credited with 'bringing down' the British pound a number of years ago - this makes him a hated figure.

Interesting - I think Reagan would have hailed him as a 'freedom fighter', and if he were a Republican, Bush would kiss him. But because he is not a Republican, he must be demeaned, denigrated, and demonized.

Kerry doesn't need his money, but is apparently not afraid to accept it.

[ad4mg]

From EBM post #1:

&quot;And if he is investing so heavily in the Kerry campaign, you can damn well bet it will be he who will be calling the shots for all of us, and NOT John Kerry!&quot;

From subsequent EBM post:

&quot;I made no statement of opinion at all. #All of my references are directed toward Soros' own words.&quot;

As always Tom, you are inarguably correct on all counts.

I rest my case on this. #Now, did you stumble upon those sources for all of the contributions to the Republican ticket yet?

I didn't think so.

[wu3u]

Ya don't say!?

Men of power and influence seek to control the political dialogue in America with BIG BUCKS, huh?

Must be somethin' new fangled, I'd reckon!

And from what ya seem to be intinmatin', only the Democrats have caught on to this new fangled way a doin' things.

Imagine dat!

Ye'right.

TP

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K0RGR @ July 23 2004,06:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He and his supporters call him a philanthropist. His organization claims to be interested in building free societies throughout the world.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hitler's supporters called him a great humanitarian.

Stalin's supporters claimed he was wiser than Solomon.

You can't base a person's true stature by what supporters say. Ya gotta look at the facts.

Beam me up, Scotty!

[kc0ebm]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ July 23 2004,07http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From EBM post #1:

&quot;And if he is investing so heavily in the Kerry campaign, you can damn well bet it will be he who will be calling the shots for all of us, and NOT John Kerry!&quot;

From subsequent EBM post:

&quot;I made no statement of opinion at all. #All of my references are directed toward Soros' own words.&quot;

As always Tom, you are inarguably correct on all counts.

I rest my case on this. #Now, did you stumble upon those sources for all of the contributions to the Republican ticket yet?

I didn't think so.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
MG,

The fact that Soros is willing to spend his entire fortune on this election should alarm anybody.

If Soros was bankrolling the Republican Party to the degree that he would commit his entire fortune, I would be equally concerned. #On that, you will just have to trust me.

Such influence is not healthy for either parties, and its not a good sign for the voters either.

Anybody contributing that much money would certainly also expect an inordinant amount of influence. #Neither party would benefit if one unelected person had that much influence.

Many of us should be concerned that Soros believes civilians should not own and posess guns. #Gun control is an issue that is important to all gun owners no matter what side of the isle they are on politically.

I do not think that my comment should be viewed as an opinion, or any personal expression of suggestion whatsoever. #It was not intended to be an opinion, but rather, an expression of common sense. #Anybody willing to spend that much money on this election would desire an inordinant amount of influence. #That's how the game is played in this country. #Both sides are guilty of submitting to powerful money influence, and the voters always lose to the wealthy few. #

Don't try to turn my comments into a partisan bitch. #That's not what this is. #Its only an attempt to inform the readers about George Soros. #I didn't start this thread to start a partisan fight, MG!

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 23 2004,10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[Don't try to turn my comments into a partisan bitch. #That's not what this is. #Its only an attempt to inform the readers about George Soros. #I didn't start this thread to start a partisan fight, MG![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

No Tom, I'm not trying to do this at all. #You stated that you did not include any opinions in your original post. #I found one, pointed it out to you, and this is the result.

I submit that you wish to turn this into a peeing contest between you and myself, and I'll not participate any further.

Grow up and admit you were wrong and quit playing the part of the infinitely boring blowhard. #The act is growing old.

I'm done with you and this post ... enjoy!

[W5HTW]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 23 2004,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Take a look at K9KXQ's &quot;Wise Old Sayings&quot;. It is an admitted from the ground floor up thread devoted entirely to attacking me, yet not a word of complaint from me.

K9KXQ and his LIDS on 3955 discuss this thread every night and their intent is in the open. Read carefully every entry made by K9KXQ and his mental midget mentor AG4YO if you don't believe me.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Curious, I just went through that entire thread. Were there two such threads and I toured the wrong one? A person would have to be extremely paranoid to feel he was being personally (or any other way) attacked by the thread I just read from start to finish. Or maybe it has been edited and all references to you have been removed? I suspect I read the wrong thread. The one I saw was indeed started by K9KXQ, and it did have a title of &quot;Wise Old Sayings.&quot;


Ed

[n9yb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">such influence is not healthy for either parties, and its not a good sign for the voters either.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


BINGO. That is the type of thing we should all worry about as Americans, not as affiliates of a particular party.

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ July 23 2004,07:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 23 2004,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Take a look at K9KXQ's &quot;Wise Old Sayings&quot;. #It is an admitted from the ground floor up thread devoted entirely to attacking me, yet not a word of complaint from me.

K9KXQ and his LIDS on 3955 discuss this thread every night and their intent is in the open. #Read carefully every entry made by K9KXQ and his mental midget mentor AG4YO if you don't believe me.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Curious, I just went through that entire thread. #Were there two such threads and I toured the wrong one? #A person would have to be extremely paranoid to feel he was being personally (or any other way) attacked by the thread I just read from start to finish. #Or maybe it has been edited and all references to you have been removed? #I suspect I read the wrong thread. #The one I saw was indeed started by K9KXQ, and it did have a title of &quot;Wise Old Sayings.&quot; #


Ed[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
HTW,

The attacks are under the radar. But trust me implicitly when I tell you what KXQ's whole purpose was for creating that thread. It is a matter of open discussion each night on 3955. The intent is to dig at me without awakening Glen. And like Glen, you do not know me, nor could you recognize the hateful intent of their posts.

[wu3u]

Good lord...

Bush apologists and supporters being so concerned over &quot;undue influence&quot; in government.

What a load.

TP

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8LXR @ July 23 2004,08:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Good lord...

Bush apologists and supporters being so concerned over &quot;undue influence&quot; in government.

What a load.

TP[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Let's see if I understand your logic:

Unnamed &quot;rich interests&quot; influencing President Bush = BAD.

Specifically named rich people (George Soros in particular) influencing Senator Kerry = GOOD!

Can you say &quot;double standard&quot;?

Beam me sideways, Scotty, some people here have forgotten which way &quot;up&quot; is.

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ July 23 2004,07:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 23 2004,10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[Don't try to turn my comments into a partisan bitch. #That's not what this is. #Its only an attempt to inform the readers about George Soros. #I didn't start this thread to start a partisan fight, MG![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

No Tom, I'm not trying to do this at all. #You stated that you did not include any opinions in your original post. #I found one, pointed it out to you, and this is the result.

I submit that you wish to turn this into a peeing contest between you and myself, and I'll not participate any further.

Grow up and admit you were wrong and quit playing the part of the infinitely boring blowhard. #The act is growing old.

I'm done with you and this post ... enjoy![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Luke!

Don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you!

EBM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 23 2004,00:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[QUOTE KC0EBM =
...Take a look at K9KXQ's &quot;Wise Old Sayings&quot;. #It is an admitted from the ground floor up thread devoted entirely to attacking me, yet not a word of complaint from me.

K9KXQ and his LIDS on 3955 discuss this thread every night and their intent is in the open. #Read carefully every entry made by K9KXQ and his mental midget mentor AG4YO if you don't believe me.

These guys have made a science out of attacking me beneath Glen's radar. #EBM&quot;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Tom,

After reading your post I went and READ (twice) the 'Wise Old Sayings' to see what you were speaking about it.

Like the prior poster noted.. I can't see what you are talking about. I read the guys postings.. I reread 'em with a view towards looking for double entendre meanings.. hidden meanings.. encrypted meanings.. and sad to say..

I just can't see anything!

I've a pretty darned good sense of reading between the lines AND I'm pretty perceptive.. but I have to admit It's FAR below the noise floor of my internal receiver..


Tom, my friend.. I'm seeing a tinge of paranoia rearing its ugly head in your obsession with this stuff. Please. turn down the internal receiver RF gain a tad.. I think you're overloading the IF stages and getting a LOT of spurious signals and birdies runing around the front end!

73
K3FT

[wu3u]

&quot;Let's see if I understand your logic:

Unnamed &quot;rich interests&quot; influencing President Bush = BAD.

Specifically named rich people (George Soros in particular) influencing Senator Kerry = GOOD!

Can you say &quot;double standard&quot;?

Beam me sideways, Scotty, some people here have forgotten which way &quot;up&quot; is&quot;

N7AAO


No! #

The double standard of which you speak is on parade here, with various Bush apologists trying to convince me that , BY GOD, they are the vanguard of good government and altruistic service to the public when they'd vote blindly for &quot;W&quot; no matter what facts might speak against it.

What I am saying is that both parties are coopted by all sorts of interests.

First of all, I rather doubt that Soros has donated personally 18 million to the Democratic campaign because this would be a violation of Federal Election Law which limits the amount of money that individual donors can give.

Second, this administration is AWASH in big money from arms dealers, oil folks, Haliburton, the Carlyle Group, and the rest of the Republican corporate power monger brass.

Get real already!

So you will forgive me if I find it rather disingenuous that Bush apologists who will justify any and all &quot;undue influence&quot; to get their patron saint SOB reelected suddenly see the true light of day and become paragons of truth, justice, and selfless dedication to the Public Good.

The whole thing, BOTH sides of the isle, makes me sick and neither is much better than the other when it comes to &quot;Big Money&quot; corrupting the whole stinking mess, whether by Soros or Haliburton et al!

Like I said: #A LOAD.

The 2004 election like no other in my lifetime amounts to
&quot;Pick Your Bastard Day.&quot;

TP

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8LXR @ July 23 2004,08:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Second, this administration is AWASH in big money from arms dealers, oil folks, Haliburton, the Carlyle Group, and the rest of the Republican corporate power monger brass.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Please provide proof for this allegation, from unbiased sources (the Democratic National Committee doesn't cut it, sorry).

Beam me up, Scotty, this will take a while.

[wu3u]

N7AAO:

Unbiased sources?

IS there such a thing in politics today?

Of course ANY source not making &quot;W&quot; out to be the very paragon of truth and justice surely MUST be biased right?

And all the information about Soros' involvement in the Kerry campaign is the work of unbiased, #disinterested non-partisan do gooders who are just so terribly...absolutely concerned about the future of America.

Bull. #OM, I ain't powerful and wealthy but I'm no fool either.

Do you really mean to BS me that the Bush Whitehouse is completely bereft of big money influence and &quot;W&quot; and company are all just Boy Scouts dedicated to selfless public service grounded in all truth and beauty?

If so my brother, I have something I want to sell you for only $19.99 shipped.

It's a dye that you can inject into your antenna's feedline to visually inspect the pattern when you transmit.

73,

Tim

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8LXR @ July 23 2004,09:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N7AAO:

Unbiased sources?

IS there such a thing in politics today?

Of course ANY source not making &quot;W&quot; out to be the very paragon of truth and justice surely MUST be biased right?

And all the information about Soros' involvement in the Kerry campaign is the work of unbiased, #disinterested non-partisan do gooders who are just so terribly...absolutely concerned about the future of America.

Bull. #OM, I ain't powerful and wealthy but I'm no fool either.

Do you really mean to BS me that the Bush Whitehouse is completely bereft of big money influence and &quot;W&quot; and company are all just Boy Scouts dedicated to selfless public service grounded in all truth and beauty?

If so my brother, I have something I want to sell you for only $19.99 shipped.

It's a dye that you can inject into your antenna's feedline to visually inspect the pattern when you transmit.

73,

Tim[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In other words, you have no evidence to support your allegations against President Bush.

As for unbiased, there are a few still left out there... I just didn't want any commentaries from, say, The Nation or Mother Jones being passed off as &quot;factual.&quot;

If there is so much evidence, it should be easy to find an unbiased source.

Beam me up, Scotty, I have time for a nap while this gentleman searches for evidence.

[wu3u]

N7AAO:

Look OM, don't play the #&quot;sources&quot; game with me, OK?

For any source I would quote that you'd consider as not far right wing and firmly in line with the Bush campaign, you'd shoot down as &quot;biased&quot; so I won't waste my key strokes presenting them.

IF however, you want to have a look and judge the many sources out there documenting big money corruption in BOTH campaigns yourself (you have done that right?), just do a GOOGLE search thus:

BUSH KERRY CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS INFLUENCE

That should get you started...but I hope you have a week or so to get through it all, for BIG MONEY influence in American poltics, whether with the Elephant OR the Donkey,would require perhaps thousands of hours to digest.

Like I said: #Pick your Bastard.

God, &quot;true believers&quot;....how shall I ever suffer them?

TP

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8LXR @ July 23 2004,09:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N7AAO:

Look OM, don't play the #&quot;sources&quot; game with me, OK?

For any source I would quote that you'd consider as not far right wing and firmly in line with the Bush campaign, you'd shoot down as &quot;biased&quot; so I won't waste my key strokes presenting them.

IF however, you want to have a look and judge the many sources out there documenting big money corruption in BOTH campaigns yourself (you have done that right?), just do a GOOGLE search thus:

BUSH KERRY CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS INFLUENCE

That should get you started...but I hope you have a week or so to get through it all, for BIG MONEY influence in American poltics, whether with the Elephant OR the Donkey,would require perhaps thousands of hours to digest.

Like I said: #Pick your Bastard.

God, &quot;true believers&quot;....how shall I ever suffer them?

TP[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
One should not make claims that they cannot back up with proof. Doing this invites embarrassment when you can't provide the facts about the topic.

Show me factual evidence and I will consider it. Until you do that, your ranting just wastes your time and mine.

Beam me up, Scotty, I have time for a nap. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KG4ZQZ]

- what i don't understand is how anyone here can discuss campaign finances without looking at the FEC documentation...

- here are some of Kerry's reports:

http://herndon2.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00383653/

- here are some of Bush's reports:

http://herndon2.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00343509/

- you can search for all related documents here:

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/fecimg/index.html

- if you want, start at the main FEC page:

http://www.fec.gov

[K7JBQ]

I don't suppose anyone has considered this:

A vote for John Kerry is a vote against Hillary Clinton.

Think it through before you flame.

73,
Bill

[N7AAO]

One can also look at Opensecrets.org (http://www.opensecrets.org), which is the website of the Center for Responsible Politics, and see a number of interesting things about the various donors to political campaigns (not just the Presidential campaigns).

For instance, in the Casinos/Gambling category, 58% of donations go to Democrats, and 42% to Republicans. Education has given 72% of donations to Dems, and 27% to the GOP so far in the 2004 election cycle. And, yes, if you want to look at Oil &amp; Gas, Dems get 18%, and the GOP gets 82%.

See, there is unbiased information out there. One just has to want to find it. Apparently some around here are more content not having their preconceived notions challenged by stubborn facts.

Beam me up, Scotty!

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K7JBQ @ July 23 2004,10:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't suppose anyone has considered this:

A vote for John Kerry is a vote against Hillary Clinton.

Think it through before you flame.

73,
Bill[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I know the loony libs here won't believe me, but I couldn't care less about Hillary right now. If she finally gets off the fence and runs, I'll consider her candidacy then.

Beam me up, Scotty!

[KI4DYA]

WTF is wrong with you people???

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KI4DYA @ July 23 2004,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WTF is wrong with you people???[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What, specifically, do you mean?

No beam-out this time, Scotty, I'm waiting for a reply. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[wu3u]

&quot;Show me factual evidence and I will consider it. Until you do that, your ranting just wastes your time and mine.&quot;

N7AAO

OM:

I note with a slight chuckle that you regard the sources of those bringing the Soros issue up as perfectly objective, given your grandstanding here today.


Surely you didn't just jump reflexively at any opportunity to posture your boy as a champion of virtue, now did you?

What sources do you have that those sources are legit, eh? LOL.

Have you applied your razor sharp inquiry into their motivations, my august brother Amateur?

Look, the &quot;show me your sources&quot; game is as old as Socratic debate itself and is really nothing more than a tactic deployed to have an opportunity to debase any source not arriving at a preferred conclusion.

THAT to me, to offer sources that you already have at fingertips only to have you object because they do not arrive at the conclusion you so earnestly want established, would be the &quot;waste of time.&quot;

Like I said: A load, in that both candidates are SOBs in their own right concerned with power, wealth, and influence.

I hardly regard either of these Crowned American Princes as little more than self-interested power mongers: One of the LEFT and ONE of the RIGHT.

Yep, the leaves of November will fall soon and time for &quot;Pick your Bastard Day.&quot;

73,

TP







Nice old fashioned debating tactic OM, but it's still a load.

[N7AAO]

Hehehehehe... you need to read ALL the posts... I already took people to task for assuming that everything the supporters of a person say about that person is true. It's the message where I pointed out that some of Stalin's supporters called him &quot;wiser than Solomon.&quot;

And, for purposes of clarification, I was not the one that brought up Mr. Soros in the first place. I was responding to an allegation made which appeared to have no evidence to back it up... and which I still have not seen evidence for. The evidence for and against Mr. Soros' connections to the Kerry campaign have already been debated here (we're on the 4th page so far), with, if memory serves, sources from both sides listed. Therefore, all you are doing is trying to drag a red herring across the trail, and I ain't gonna let ya do it.

I reiterate, provide evidence that the groups that were mentioned earlier have their &quot;hooks deep into the administration.&quot;

And, please, quit with the red herrings. If you don't have any evidence, just say so!

[KI4FCP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ July 23 2004,04:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'll consider all of the facts before I vote in November, but if the election were held today, I would vote for the democratic ticket. #This fellow may pour money into Kerry's coffers, but Kerry is under no obligation to consider anyone else's views.

Please Tom, research every dollar contributed to the Republican ticket, and show proof that there are no skeletons in that closet. #Then, and only then, will I bow to the knee-jerk reaction that your post is intended to initiate.

These polarized political posts are really becoming a bore ... ditto the mud slinging.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
LOL LOL LOL yea right, oh by the way i have a great deal on some land, it even has a bridge and a view of Manhatten. #LOL

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KI4FCP @ July 23 2004,13:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL LOL LOL yea right, oh by the way i have a great deal on some land, it even has a bridge and a view of Manhatten. #LOL[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Really? Mine has a great view of San Francisco. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[WB2WIK]

I've followed the George Soros story for years and I can't find any hint of his being anti-semitic, anywhere.

Exactly where is the evidence of this, specifically?

I do find him to be anti-religion, in general, and that's fine with me. He's a very smart man.

WB2WIK/6

[K7JBQ]

It would be difficult to be both anti-semitic and anti-Palestinian, as arabs, last time I looked, were &quot;semitic people.&quot;

73,
Bill

[k9kxq]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 22 2004,09http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ July 23 2004,07:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 23 2004,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Take a look at K9KXQ's &quot;Wise Old Sayings&quot;. #It is an admitted from the ground floor up thread devoted entirely to attacking me, yet not a word of complaint from me.

K9KXQ and his LIDS on 3955 discuss this thread every night and their intent is in the open. #Read carefully every entry made by K9KXQ and his mental midget mentor AG4YO if you don't believe me.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Curious, I just went through that entire thread. #Were there two such threads and I toured the wrong one? #A person would have to be extremely paranoid to feel he was being personally (or any other way) attacked by the thread I just read from start to finish. #Or maybe it has been edited and all references to you have been removed? #I suspect I read the wrong thread. #The one I saw was indeed started by K9KXQ, and it did have a title of &quot;Wise Old Sayings.&quot; #


Ed[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
HTW,

The attacks are under the radar. #But trust me implicitly when I tell you what KXQ's whole purpose was for creating that thread. #It is a matter of open discussion each night on 3955. #The intent is to dig at me without awakening Glen. #And like Glen, you do not know me, nor could you recognize the hateful intent of their posts.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
EBM, it seems to me you are the only one with mud on shoes, hands and mouth.

Once again here I'am defending myself, as for attacks! you are in a state of delirium, and this needs immediate attention by a professional.

Now for my thread &quot;Wise Old Sayings&quot; ebm, thats just what they are, wise old sayings. My Grandfather had a million of them, I loved to listen to him when he would use them, I cannot help that you would in your twisted cerebal use the thread as an attack on your person.

Now for your post on the thread &quot;Nice Going Morons&quot; the YL's you mention, one is a very dear friend of mine and I exchange emails and phone conversations more than twice a week, the rack you refer to, it's the colins she has and so very proud of it she is.( you have no shame ebm)

The BIG JOHNSON, it was a question that one had of her on a problem he was trying to fix.

The bottom end, it was the tone on her mic, and we all were asked by her to comment.

You always seem to fashion what you hear to your sick way of thinking, just like the group on 3990 who were your friends, they said to you that they did not like your conduct on the air as well as off the air and you need to relize this before you really go off on the never to return state of mental illness.

Prior to your rants on 3990 that night you (ebm) intentionaly and maliciously interfered with the group on 3955, you were asked to leave,you refused and stated: you didn't have to, we didn't own the frequency, you keyed on top of ongoing qso, all you wanted to do is start a big argument,your plan didn't work, we all know you for what you are.

&quot;A penny for your thoughts, and your two cents worth, someone is making money&quot;. (Hemmingway)

Mr. Glen this one needs a lock before it gets very nasty.

kxq

[w6ez]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 22 2004,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Friendly advice for those contemplating voting for John Kerry...

Better do some heavy duty research on the man that is bankrolling Kerry's campaign. His name is George Soros.

So far, George Soros has dumped 18 MILLION dollars into the Kerry coffers.

Regarded as the eighth richest man in the world, atheist George Soros openly admits to putting ethics aside when doing business.

Multi BILLIONARE George Soros makes his money speculating on world currencies. Betting against the British pound, Soros is said to have made 2 BILLION dollars in one single day.

He uses his billions to manipulate and control world governments, mostly those that have broken away from the former Soviet Union.

Soros is loudly outspoken about his business, personal, and social philosophies, which are easilly available on the web.

He is also outspoken about his atheism, and his utter disdain for any form of religion.

He is pro-abortion. He is pro-uthenasia. He is viciously anti-semitic and pro-Palestinian.

Soros has vocally insisted that he will spend his entire worth to put John Kerry in the White House. But Soros' loyalties are not with John Kerry; not at all. Rather, Soros is a bitter enemy of George W. Bush and the war in Iraq.

In business, Soros says &quot;no ethics apply&quot;. In layman's terms this means that Soros has no loyalties when it comes to his investments and he has bet against the dollar for other world currencies and made BILLIONS.

Soros uses his Billions to build social reform programs, which so far have been conducted in former Soviet states, and South and Central American countries.

Soros' billions, if he chooses, can and have been used to cripple foreign economies in order to achieve cooperation with foreign governments to foster his social imperatives.

Politically, Soros can be described as a Liberal of all extreme Liberals. And when he spends his money, he never takes &quot;NO&quot; for an answer.

Through institutions and foundations of his own creation, he sets social agendas in vulnerable countries.

Check out the Newsweek Magazine Archives, and do a Google Search on this man, and see if this is the kind of man that you want weilding unparalleled influence in a John F. Kerry White House.

If you learn nothing about this man, at least know this! If George Soros is spending his money, you can damn well bet he won't stop spending his money until he has substantial control and influence in whatever commodity he is investing. And if he is investing so heavily in the Kerry campaign, you can damn well bet it will be he who will be calling the shots for all of us, and NOT John Kerry!

Whether you intend to vote for Kerry or Bush, you owe it to yourself to know as much as you can about the man, George Soros.

Just a bit of friendly advice.

Tom Friess KCØEBM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It doesn't make any difference.
Even the dark lord satan himself could be
JK's running mate, or even pulling the little
strings in the back of John's neck that
makes his eyes roll and mouth move,
all that matters is to beat Bush!

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6ez @ July 23 2004,17:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It doesn't make any difference.
Even the dark lord satan himself could be
JK's running mate, or even pulling the little
strings in the back of John's neck that
makes his eyes roll and mouth move,
all that matters is to beat Bush![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
There you have it, the first perfectly honest statement of the reasons behind Kerry's candidacy.

[ky5u]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ebm sez: ...mental midget mentor AG4YO if you don't believe me.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Tom,

Sorry but it took a few days for me to notice this. #Speaking for myself, all I can say is that your animosity is wasted. You should use this time to get back to your enforcement issues where you can make a difference. Thanks for listening.

[KC5SAS]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He is also outspoken about his atheism, and his utter disdain for any form of religion.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
So am I. Sounds like a guy I could get along with. Better than hanging around with someone who speaks to invisible people.

[kc7jty]

Is Soros a Jew?

[KB1GYQ]

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

for some info...

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 24 2004,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is Soros a Jew?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
YUP!!!

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 24 2004,12:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

for some info...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks for your post GYQ.

Wish I'd had that URL when I first got interested in Soros. It could have saved me a lot of time and effort.

73

Tom

[kc0ebm]

Need to find more information about his views on abortion, same sex marriage/relations, gun control, and any other political views that might become the quid pro quo for his $18,000,000 support of the Democratic Party and his life or death effort to unseat the current administration.

About a month ago, I read an article in a well known magazine that Soros likened himself to the &quot;Messiah&quot;. I'm having trouble finding it again. I think it was New Week or similar magazine.

Tom

[ai4ep]

ya know...I betcha that JOHN KERRY him self is rather surprised that he beat out all those other candidates to be the winner, I bet when he started he did not think he would be the FRONTRUNNER for that race !!

But I also bet he aint real happy with the fact he did it.
......and that he wishes that some one else was in his shoes... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 24 2004,17:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 24 2004,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is Soros a Jew?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
YUP!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
See also A &quot;Jewish&quot; view on Soros (http://www.thejewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=3117)

[KD7WHQ]

That's ONE of the Jewish views.
The other isn't any better.

He said he was willing to spend his fortune to disarm America.

I'd like to see him go broke trying..

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7WHQ @ July 24 2004,23:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's ONE of the Jewish views.
The other isn't any better.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, dish!

[w5klb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ July 24 2004,14:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 24 2004,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is Soros a Jew?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
YUP!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
As much as I hate to admit it,I think where the idea about Soro's being against Jews must of come from a consevative supporting Bush. Sometime in February(?) of this year MoveOn.org posted a political ad compairing Bush with (of all people) Adolf Hitler (yes, Adolf Hitler). Soros, who owns MoveOn.org wouldn't pull the ad.This ad appalled the Jewish community because they didn't like ANY President of The United States being compaired with likes of a guy like that! Now, I am afraid that some conservative (please don't accuse me of supporting this, because I don't) is stooping to playing &quot;tit for tat&quot; and &quot;I gotcha&quot; by accusing Soros of being anti-Jewish because of this ad. Two wrongs do not equal a right, period.

I'm not just overly found of George Soros and his liberal/socialist ideas, but I don't beleave the man is against Jews.

Post to be filed under the heading:&quot;For what it's worth&quot;

[K6UEY]

So what you are saying it will be Ok to have a known Socialist,calling the shots in this country as long as he is not anti-semitic. Well you really had me worried for a minute there!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[w5klb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ July 25 2004,03:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So what you are saying it will be Ok to have a known Socialist,calling the shots in this country as long as he is not anti-semitic. Well you really had me worried for a minute there!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Nope, no way.

Orv, you should know by now after reading some of my posts who I will be supporting. Hint: It's the very same one you will be voting for.

I know this is going be hard for some to beleave, but I DO want to be fair-that's all. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[K6UEY]

KD5WPW,
Sorry Gary,but with all this obvious stupidity being displayed in support of Kerry I had to inject some sarcasm !! Nothing meant personally..........
BUSH in 2004 The right man for the job!!

[KC5SAS]

I keep having this dream where, on election day in November, 2 million voters, acting independently, look at the list of candidates and decide to vote for Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik. That evening as poll results start coming in members of the Electorial College and the entire political structure are rocked by the news that 2 million voters 'wasted' their vote and put our countries first Libertarian President into office.
It could happen.
There's no place like home. There's no place like home.
http://lp.org

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5SAS @ July 25 2004,09:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I keep having this dream where, on election day in November, 2 million voters, acting independently, look at the list of candidates and decide to vote for Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik. That evening as poll results start coming in members of the Electorial College and the entire political structure are rocked by the news that 2 million voters 'wasted' their vote and put our countries first Libertarian President into office.
It could happen.
There's no place like home. There's no place like home.
http://lp.org[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A Libertarian President would be totally useless as Chief Executive. Republicans in Congress would hate his guts for defeating Bush, and the Democrats would hate his guts for defeating Kerry. So anything he proposed, most Congresspeople would be against, and anything he'd veto, they'd have more than enough votes to override.

If you really want to start a powerful third party, ya gotta start in Congress first. Get a few Libertarian Congresspeople in first, then work on the Oval Office.

[kc7jty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 24 2004,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is Soros a Jew?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It was a rhetorical question.

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7WHQ @ July 23 2004,21:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's ONE of the Jewish views.
The other isn't any better.

He said he was willing to spend his fortune to disarm America.

I'd like to see him go broke trying..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hm,

I have a 22 cal rifle he can have for, say about 1.5 million.

Heck, for an additional 2K I'll even throw in an old CB radio collecting dust in the garage.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC0LNU @ July 26 2004,13:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7WHQ @ July 23 2004,21:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's ONE of the Jewish views.
The other isn't any better.

He said he was willing to spend his fortune to disarm America.

I'd like to see him go broke trying..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hm,

I have a 22 cal rifle he can have for, say about 1.5 million. #

Heck, for an additional 2K I'll even throw in an old CB radio collecting dust in the garage.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Maybe you should charge 1.5 mil for the CB and he can have the rifle if he pries it from your cold, dead fingers. That's what I'd do! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif dern...and I thought used AMATEUR radio stuff was priced too high !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ July 25 2004,16:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KD5WPW,
Sorry Gary,but with all this obvious stupidity being displayed in support of Kerry I had to inject some sarcasm !! Nothing meant personally..........
BUSH in 2004 The right man for the job!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'm sure glad that this is only your OPINION Orv.
I'm not so sure that all the Stupidity is from those supporting Kerry.
Been quite a few Lies being spread by the BUSH supporters.
ie..(The Jane Fonda NOTE story!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
As you said, Nothing Personal!
Bush Couldn't do the Job in 2000, Lets NOT give him a chance to Ruin the USA more in 2004
ANYONE but BUSH in 2004

[K6UEY]

I REST MY CASE!!
Nothing personal!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif If HILLARY CLINTON would run for president...I would vote for her !

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 27 2004,01:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif If HILLARY CLINTON would run for president...I would vote for her ![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, As I said, Anyone is BETTER then Bush.

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ July 27 2004,00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I REST MY CASE!!
Nothing personal!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You DIDN'T have a CASE! Just your Opinion!
Again, Nothing Personal.

[KB1GYQ]

I'm voting against someone, not for someone... as is normally the case. Now if we were given the option of shuting down the federal government entirely except as mediation between states.... &lt;oh well, that's libertarian, and those guy don't know how to throw a party&gt;

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 27 2004,02:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm voting against someone, not for someone... as is normally the case. Now if we were given the option of shuting down the federal government entirely except as mediation between states.... &lt;oh well, that's libertarian, and those guy don't know how to throw a party&gt;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You Know, You are EXACTLY right. WE are going to Vote AGAINST someone, not For some one.
It is a Shame but Unfortunately, it HAS to be!

[K6UEY]

Well!! We can finally agree on some thing,Yes once you have seen one Socialist, you have seen them all,they are all bad news !! We still have a difference of opinion as to whether this country would survive a Socialist President. Thanks to the policies of G.W.Bush we are starting to recover from Clinton,so maybe the country could suffer the blow and still survive,but a lot of it's citizens would not. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ July 27 2004,02:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well!! We can finally agree on some thing,Yes once you have seen one Socialist, you have seen them all,they are all bad news !! We still have a difference of opinion as to whether this country would survive a Socialist President. Thanks to the policies of G.W.Bush we are starting to recover from Clinton,so maybe the country could suffer the blow and still survive,but a lot of it's citizens would not. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well thanks Orv. I still haven't seen a socialist on the ticket, but perhaps you have some inside info from the DAILY Worker magazine. Since you feel we are recovering with bush from Clinton, Are we going to be able to recover from bUSH??
I'm not so Sure.
Food for thought!

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N6WK @ July 26 2004,21:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 27 2004,02:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm voting against someone, not for someone... as is normally the case. Now if we were given the option of shuting down the federal government entirely except as mediation between states.... &lt;oh well, that's libertarian, and those guy don't know how to throw a party&gt;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You Know, You are EXACTLY right. WE are going to Vote AGAINST someone, not For some one.
It is a Shame but Unfortunately, it HAS to be![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't be too quick to assume who I'm voting against....

[K6UEY]

WELL !! Whether we recover from Bush or not is in the hands of the people who Vote. In my opinion if Bush gets re-elected,and the majority at this point think he will ,then we will recover.If the people decide to put another Leftist in the white house odds are we may not be able to recover.What the Clinton's did to the economy is just now starting to recover, but it can not happen over night.The economy is standing straight but still wobbly on it's feet,any negative blow like Kerry getting elected could put it down for the count.I stopped trying to predict how the people will vote.At one time it was a pretty good bet,as the voters were informed and cared about the future of the country.I bet that Clinton would NEVER get re-elected,after his first term it was so obvious the voters could no longer be fooled,we know how that turned out. This is no longer true,the Socialist have infiltrated our educational system and have had enough time to brain wash the current crop of voters. Karl Marx himmself said to start with the young and convince them and they will support your cause.Adolf Hilter was very successful using the same system with his Brown Shirt Youth Corps,and once again history can prove Karl marx was correct,at least his methods were successful. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
I have not given up hope,most of the vocal is from the left,as a drowning man grasp's at straws,but the silent majority will be heard on election day,and the polls now are close with a slight lead to the President. Kerry,with the assistance of the media will jump a few points after the convention,but then so will the president after the GOP convention.This election is one of FAR greater importance than any we have had in a long time. With the completion of the Iraqi Independance,which will lead to Peace,growth and prosperty to the middle east,and lessen the terrosist threat to this country and reduce the risk of us being subjected to extortion by the oil rich countries,by increasing the number of suppliers on the world market.The US and Europe and Japan now have to compete with India and China on the oil market,and their consumption is going up each year. And not least but last the appointing of 3 Supreme Court Justices,which will determine the path the country follows in the next 75 years.
NO there is little doubt that the ONLY man who can do the job is G.W.BUSH for the next four years!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Now would be a foolhardy time to change horse's in the middle of the stream.Besides it would really piss off Hilliary,she would have to run against Kerry in 2008,or wait and she has waited too long as it is,her patience to take over this country is coming to an end. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Do you folks REALLY mean to try to tell all of us that


JOHN KERRY

is the BEST person that the fine outstanding

DEMOCRATIC party has to offer ?


that out of all the candidates that went through all those primaries, that JOHN KERRY is the best pick of the DEMOCRATIC party ?

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 27 2004,02:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't be too quick to assume who I'm voting against....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh, I realize that you may not be voting AGAINST the same person as me, but that doesn't matter. the point is, our choices are so POOR, that we have to vote against someone rather then for someone. After all, they are ALL politicians and therefore we KNOW what kniod of people they actually are Do we not?

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ July 27 2004,03:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Adolf Hilter was very successful using the same system with his Brown Shirt Youth Corps[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Has anyone except me noticed that in this election rhetoric there are a lot of comparisons to HILTER and our choices for president?
Very interesting.

[K6UEY]

N6WK,
Is that any way similiar to saying YOU POSTon the Internet so we know what kind of CREDITABILITY you have!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[N6WK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ July 27 2004,04:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N6WK,
Is that any way similiar to saying YOU POSTon the Internet so we know what kind of CREDITABILITY you have!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sorry Orv,
I missed whatever meaning you were trying to convey!

[K6UEY]

N6WK,
Since Nazism,Fascism and Socialism all sleep in the same bed, maybe they are trying to prepare the country to get used to it ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Post Edit:
Your previous comment,in essence if you know one politician then you know them all. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KC5SAS]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N6WK @ July 26 2004,18:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 27 2004,02:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm voting against someone, not for someone... as is normally the case. #Now if we were given the option of shuting down the federal government entirely except as mediation between states.... #&lt;oh well, that's libertarian, and those guy don't know how to throw a party&gt;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You Know, #You are EXACTLY right. #WE are going to Vote AGAINST someone, not For some one.
It is a Shame but Unfortunately, it HAS to be![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
&quot;If you vote for the lesser of two evils and your candidate wins, you still have evil.&quot; - Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik
Wake up, America. Don't waste your vote. You have a choice.
http://lp.org

[w5klb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5SAS @ July 27 2004,05:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N6WK @ July 26 2004,18:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 27 2004,02:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm voting against someone, not for someone... as is normally the case. #Now if we were given the option of shuting down the federal government entirely except as mediation between states.... #&lt;oh well, that's libertarian, and those guy don't know how to throw a party&gt;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You Know, #You are EXACTLY right. #WE are going to Vote AGAINST someone, not For some one.
It is a Shame but Unfortunately, it HAS to be![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
&quot;If you vote for the lesser of two evils and your candidate wins, you still have evil.&quot; - Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik
Wake up, America. #Don't waste your vote. You have a choice.
http://lp.org[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The disinformation and popaganda campain continues... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5SAS @ July 27 2004,05:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">&quot;If you vote for the lesser of two evils and your candidate wins, you still have evil.&quot; - Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik
Wake up, America. #Don't waste your vote. You have a choice.
http://lp.org[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sure! Let's vote for a candidate with 0% chance of winning, and who, if by some miracle does win, will have absolutely no support in Congress!

Might as well vote for Snoopy... your vote counts just as much.

[kc7jty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 27 2004,06:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5SAS @ July 27 2004,05:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">&quot;If you vote for the lesser of two evils and your candidate wins, you still have evil.&quot; - Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik
Wake up, America. #Don't waste your vote. You have a choice.
http://lp.org[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sure! Let's vote for a candidate with 0% chance of winning, and who, if by some miracle does win, will have absolutely no support in Congress!

Might as well vote for Snoopy... your vote counts just as much.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thats the same as not voting at all. One of the two selections made for you will win anyway so why bother? Either way you're screwed. At least voting for the Libertarian ticket lets them know you dissaprove of their preselection choice (Dem/Rep) AND you still want to vote.

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 27 2004,10:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 27 2004,06:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sure! Let's vote for a candidate with 0% chance of winning, and who, if by some miracle does win, will have absolutely no support in Congress!

Might as well vote for Snoopy... your vote counts just as much.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thats the same as not voting at all. One of the two selections made for you will win anyway so why bother? Either way you're screwed. At least voting for the Libertarian ticket lets them know you dissaprove of their preselection choice (Dem/Rep) AND you still want to vote.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, right... considering that the numbers voting Libertarian are so small, I imagine they look at the Libertarians as fringe loonies.

The Libertarian party has been around since 1971... that is 33 years, or about 8 Presidential elections. Have the parties changed their position to try to attract the Libertarians? It sure doesn't look like it.

A good definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Think about it.

[kc7jty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 27 2004,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Have the parties changed their position to try to attract the Libertarians? It sure doesn't look like it.

A good definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Think about it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Have the parties changed their position to try to attract the over 55% of eligable voters who don't?

Over and over exactly. Thats why I don't vote. Doing so tells them you approve of their fiascos and there is no reason to clean them up.

[kc7jty]

N7AAO: Your A-D puts you right in the downtown area of the big city. Do you go out at night?

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 27 2004,10:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thats why I don't vote. Doing so tells them you approve of their fiascos and there is no reason to clean them up.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Brilliant! Surrender your one voice in the political process, and then complain about the results, which came about in part because you gave up your voice!

As far as I am concerned, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain about the results, because obviously you don't care enough to get off your La-Z-Boy (ever thought about why they are named that?) and do something about it!

Mind you, I am not against 3rd parties... but I am convinced that trying to start at the Oval Office is putting the cart before the horse. Start in Congress, then once you get some of your party members in Congress, then shoot for the Oval Office.

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 27 2004,10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N7AAO: Your A-D puts you right in the downtown area of the big city. Do you go out at night?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
BZZZZZZT! Wrong! My mailbox is downtown. If you knew Spokane at all (which you apparently don't) you'd know there are very few apartments downtown, and most of those are for the elderly (and I am not even 40 yet).

Also, if you'd paid attention, you might have remembered that the last time someone made a comment on my address I pointed out that it was just a PO Box in a mall downtown, and that he was welcome to stop by. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

See whatcha get when you assume? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kc7jty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 27 2004,10:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 27 2004,10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N7AAO: Your A-D puts you right in the downtown area of the big city. Do you go out at night?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
BZZZZZZT! Wrong! My mailbox is downtown. If you knew Spokane at all (which you apparently don't) you'd know there are very few apartments downtown, and most of those are for the elderly (and I am not even 40 yet).

Also, if you'd paid attention, you might have remembered that the last time someone made a comment on my address I pointed out that it was just a PO Box in a mall downtown, and that he was welcome to stop by. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

See whatcha get when you assume? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I live in Rathdrum and not being in the know (too much anyway) with Spokane is IMO a good thing.
Paying attention and speed are not two of my attributes.

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 27 2004,10:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 27 2004,10:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 27 2004,10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N7AAO: Your A-D puts you right in the downtown area of the big city. Do you go out at night?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
BZZZZZZT! Wrong! My mailbox is downtown. If you knew Spokane at all (which you apparently don't) you'd know there are very few apartments downtown, and most of those are for the elderly (and I am not even 40 yet).

Also, if you'd paid attention, you might have remembered that the last time someone made a comment on my address I pointed out that it was just a PO Box in a mall downtown, and that he was welcome to stop by. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

See whatcha get when you assume? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I live in Rathdrum and not being in the know (too much anyway) with Spokane is IMO a good thing.
#Paying attention and speed are not two of my attributes.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh, no wonder, you're in the infamous Idaho Panhandle... are the white supremacists coming back yet, or have ya driven them out for good?

I have family in Lewiston, but at least that's sort of not the Panhandle. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kc7jty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 27 2004,10:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, no wonder, you're in the infamous Idaho Panhandle... are the white supremacists coming back yet, or have ya driven them out for good?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sounds like you are in the right State and town (if you are in Spokaloo that is). I gotta go. Got too many things I gotta try to get done today. We should hook up on a 2M repeater and give QRZ a rest.
Actually I was in attendance (note, not participating) at the Aryan parade last week in CdA.

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ July 27 2004,10:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We should hook up on a 2M repeater and give QRZ a rest.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I would, but I'm in an office, surrounded by PCs and old-style CRT monitors, with fluorescent lights overhead... I doubt my HT's signal would get across the street from here. Which might be a bad thing, the Safety Committee is aware that I am a ham and usually have my HT... if I ever need to use it I will probably have to go onto the roof... unless, of course, the power is out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif