10 meter illegal ops

[ai4ep]

Well, it has finally happened...heard some illegal staions on 28.085 A M today.

I do not know if they were truckers, or ordinary four wheelers ( nor does it matter ). I heard no call signs, but maybe they mumbled them in their talking like they do when on 2 meter repeaters...I have heard folks say their call signs so fast you would have spent more time saying " good morning " or " good after noon "...almost like they were/are ashamed of the call signs.

But it appears all of this is on deaf ears locally, since I have only seen one or two other calls from within 200 - 300 miles of here, so I guess ( in a way ) I am just wasting my time making any posts at all.

so why continue ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

---ai4ep---

[KC8QMU]

Naw, I hear the same thing here. It needs more publicity. As far as I'm concerned, it's an excellent reason for straight key practice on 10M! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[n0ov]

I know we're not suppose to mention CW, but hook up a key and practice calling CQ.

You will be surprised how quickly the will move. Besides, someone may actually answer -- great practice!

[AG3Y]

Some years ago ( already ! ) my co-worker and I installed one of those little Radio Shack SSB units ( Uniden ? ) in our commute car. Wouldn't you know that the first day we turned the radio on to work some DX on the way to work, we heard a couple of "good buddies" talking about how quiet these "upper channels" were, and how happy they were to have the "extra room".

I don't, to this day, know if they were being facetious, or they were just that ignorant.

The signal strength was so strong that I am sure they were in some trucks that were right ahead of me. I didn't want to say anything to them for fear that they would have tried to run me off the road! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

What an introduction to 10 meter mobiling!
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73 from Jim AG3Y

[KC7HDE]

I have always had a good time with RTTY in that part of the 10m band.
I make sure I only give 30 sec between each CQ.
It really tears them up if you end up with a QSO for 10 or 20 minutes.

73
Norm T.

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC7HDE @ July 23 2004,07:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have always had a good time with RTTY in that part of the 10m band.
I make sure I only give 30 sec between each CQ.
It really tears them up if you end up with a QSO for 10 or 20 minutes.

73
Norm T.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't forget 10 or 20 mins to tune the antenna before you actually start the QSO. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Beam me up, Scotty!

If you hear illegals on the 10M ham bands.. by ALL Means.. ENGAGE your transmitter if you can!

Call CQ... send code practice... if you are in the mood.. send a bulletin... Even test and tune the gear and the like.

Just REMEMBER!! Take into account the offset from the dial frequency so your signal will be INSIDE their passband.

That meansfor CW and RTTY/PSK/PACKET you would want to offset the transmit frequency a bit.. For SSB, being 'dead nuts on' is fine and for AM , of course as well.

RTTY, PACKET, PSK31 and the digital modes REALLY tear them up and make them QUITE upset. They may not leave.. but ANYTHING you can do to bust up their QSO and disrupt their activities (as Martha Stewart says) &quot;IS A GOOD THING!&quot;

Have at it!

RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE!

73
K3FT

[N8CPA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ July 23 2004,10:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you hear illegals on the 10M ham bands.. by ALL Means.. ENGAGE your transmitter if you can!

Call CQ... send code practice... if you are in the mood.. send a bulletin... Even test and tune the gear and the like.

Just REMEMBER!! #Take into account the offset from the dial frequency so your signal will be INSIDE their passband.

That meansfor CW and RTTY/PSK/PACKET you would want to offset the transmit frequency a bit.. For SSB, being 'dead nuts on' is fine and for AM , of course as well.

RTTY, PACKET, PSK31 and the digital modes REALLY tear them up and make them QUITE upset. They may not leave.. but ANYTHING you can do to bust up their QSO and disrupt their activities (as Martha Stewart says) &quot;IS A GOOD THING!&quot;

Have at it!

RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE!

73
K3FT[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
How about a program of split channel CW QSOs adjacent to their haunts? #Call CQ 800-1000Hz above the center of an illegal AM voice signal, answer CQs 800-1000Hz below center. #Even better if we use U/LSB RTTY at 28.085 typing very slow and using a buffer. #Let them eat diddle!

We could even post Intruder Alerts on websites, with approval of administrators, include freqs and mode to use.

[AG3Y]

Interesting ideas, all, but considering the current band conditions, more than likely if the qrm is being heard, it is being locally generated! I don't have too much hope that you are going to get a bunch of answers to your CQs etc. and you should probably be very surprised if you do !

But, hey, we all have to test our equipment where it is going to cause the least interference, don't we ? ? ? ( wink wink, nudge nudge ! ! )

73 from Jim AG3Y

[KB9YCO]

There's a very simple solution to this problem, more use of the band.

&quot;I heard no call signs, but maybe they mumbled them in their talking like they do when on 2 meter repeaters...&quot;

I'm assuming, by your assumption, that you assume they are techs. Interesting concept, eh? We all know what assuming does. Nice try though, without any actual facts to back it up.
Rather than trying to find someone to blame, just use the damn band. They won't find a clear 'channel' on their CB if there's people using the band. And labeling them as truckers or technicians is just stupid, as you pointed out, it doesn't matter! Illegal use is illegal use.
JUST USE THE FREAKIN' BAND ! ! ! ! USE IT OR LOSE IT TO MORE ILLEGALS ! ! ! ! A simple solution.

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AG3Y @ July 23 2004,08:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Interesting ideas, all, but considering the current band conditions, more than likely if the qrm is being heard, it is being locally generated! #I don't have too much hope that you are going to get a bunch of answers to your CQs etc. #and you should probably be very surprised if you do !

But, hey, we all have to test our equipment where it is going to cause the least interference, don't we ? ? ? # ( wink wink, nudge nudge ! ! )

73 from Jim AG3Y[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The point is not to get answers to CQs... the point is to put as much legal noise out there to drive the illegal operators off the band!

As has been pointed out before, illegal operators have no protection from interference... so interfere with them all you can!

Beam me down a 1500w amp and a 10-meter rig, Scotty, I got some freebanders to interfere with!

[ai4ep]

N7AAO...I disagree with your wording .

FREBANDERS are folks who use frequencies ABOVE and BELOW the 40 legal cb channels ( 26.9650 to 27.4050 am &amp; ssb ) , but NOT into the &quot; 10 meter amateur band &quot; which BEGINS at 28.0000 Mhz.

So FREEBANDERS typically use 27.205 - 27.995 when above the cb channels and below 26.965 when they are using frequencies BELOW the cb channels.

If you are above 28.000 you are in the 10 meter AMATEUR band, and with no license, you are an UNLICENSED and ILLEGAL AMATEUR STATION. (some one correct me on the correct term for some one on an amateur frequency without the appropiate license )...but you know what I mean ( no insult )

I just dont want folks thinking that FREEBANDERS are these folks in the 10 meter AMATEUR band with no license, they ARE illegal operators, I just dont know what kind of scum they are ( there are soooo many kinds of scum these days... soap scum, radio scum, highway scum, foot scum, etc )

any how, good post !!

[KC8KZY]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 23 2004,18:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N7AAO...I disagree with your wording .

FREBANDERS are folks who use frequencies ABOVE and BELOW the 40 legal cb channels ( 26.9650 to 27.4050 am &amp; ssb ) , but NOT into the &quot; 10 meter amateur band &quot; which BEGINS at 28.0000 Mhz.

So FREEBANDERS typically use 27.205 - 27.995 #when above the cb channels and below 26.965 when they are using frequencies BELOW the cb channels.

If you are above 28.000 #you are in the 10 meter AMATEUR band, and with no license, you are an UNLICENSED and ILLEGAL AMATEUR STATION. (some one correct me on the correct term for some one on an amateur frequency without the appropiate license )...but you know what I mean ( no insult )

I just dont want folks thinking that FREEBANDERS are these folks in the 10 meter AMATEUR band with no license, they ARE illegal operators, I just dont know what kind of scum they are ( there are soooo many kinds of scum these days... soap scum, radio scum, highway scum, foot scum, etc )

any how, #good post !![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Are you trying to say that the &quot;Freebanders&quot; are LEGAL ops? They are not. They are using frequencies that they have no authorization to be on, and are not assigned to that radio service. Therefore, anyone who wishes to lump these frequency squatters together would be correct.

Tom

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC8KZY @ July 23 2004,17:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ July 23 2004,18:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N7AAO...I disagree with your wording .

FREBANDERS are folks who use frequencies ABOVE and BELOW the 40 legal cb channels ( 26.9650 to 27.4050 am &amp; ssb ) , but NOT into the &quot; 10 meter amateur band &quot; which BEGINS at 28.0000 Mhz.

So FREEBANDERS typically use 27.205 - 27.995 when above the cb channels and below 26.965 when they are using frequencies BELOW the cb channels.

If you are above 28.000 you are in the 10 meter AMATEUR band, and with no license, you are an UNLICENSED and ILLEGAL AMATEUR STATION. (some one correct me on the correct term for some one on an amateur frequency without the appropiate license )...but you know what I mean ( no insult )

I just dont want folks thinking that FREEBANDERS are these folks in the 10 meter AMATEUR band with no license, they ARE illegal operators, I just dont know what kind of scum they are ( there are soooo many kinds of scum these days... soap scum, radio scum, highway scum, foot scum, etc )

any how, good post !![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Are you trying to say that the &quot;Freebanders&quot; are LEGAL ops? They are not. They are using frequencies that they have no authorization to be on, and are not assigned to that radio service. Therefore, anyone who wishes to lump these frequency squatters together would be correct.

Tom[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thank you.

&quot;Freebander&quot; is generally assumed (at least in my experience) to mean those that operate on frequencies they are not legally permitted to operate on.

[ai4ep]

kzy...i did NOT mean to imply that FREEBANDERS were/are legal for I KNOW they are NOT...sorry for the confusion

73

---ai4ep---

[nz3m]

I said it before and I will say it again. .

We need a calling frequency on ten meters. The band has many characteristics of a VHF band as well as an HF band. The band opens up frequently during the summer via Sporadic E, but it's too large of a band to just monitor for openings. It's too easy to miss a CQ while checking the band. A calling frequency will GREATLY improve activity on 10m.

Maybe we could petition the ARRL to set one up and promote it. What do you think?

Dave

[KB5WX]

Gentlemen ,

Since the illegal ops tend to use 28.085 , may I suggest that we informally adopt 28.0865 as our calling frequency ? Even if we don't have propagation , we will likely cause them some problems and may at least make life a bit harder for them . You never can tell , we may even get in some qso's if the band will cooperate a bit .Haw ! Out ! etc .

[AC4BB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YCO @ July 23 2004,09:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There's a very simple solution to this problem, more use of the band.

&quot;I a clear 'channel' on their CB if there's people using the band. And labeling them as truckers or technicians is just stupid, as you pointed out, it doesn't matter! Illegal use is illegal use.
JUST USE THE FREAKIN' BAND ! ! ! ! USE IT OR LOSE IT TO MORE ILLEGALS ! ! ! ! A simple solution.heard no call signs, but maybe they mumbled them in their talking like they do when on 2 meter repeaters...&quot;

I'm assuming, by your assumption, that you assume they are techs. Interesting concept, eh? We all know what assuming does. Nice try though, without any actual facts to back it up.
Rather than trying to find someone to blame, just use the damn band. They won't find[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That is exactly what I wrote In a thread not a week ago. I have been on 10 meters everyday this week with the exception of Thursday, And come to think of it I was on Thursday Night and made DX contacts until after dark.I even had one that evening to Australia.

The thing that got me was we had a few licenced hams operators that even thought that We couldn't even talk over these illegals. We can and I do talk over them. &quot;Legally&quot;. The 10 meter will if we don't act to stop it become those &quot;Extree&quot; channels. See you on 10 meters. Bryan,AC4BB

[K4KWH]

The thing that got me was we had a few licenced hams operators that even thought that We couldn't even talk over these illegals. We can and I do talk over them. &quot;Legally&quot;. The 10 meter will if we don't act to stop it become those &quot;Extree&quot; channels. See you on 10 meters. Bryan,AC4BB &lt;Q&gt;

I have had a few &quot;hot&quot; discussions about this very thing.
Some of those with whom I had these little tiffs defiantly
asserted that *I* would be at fault for 'interference'. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif That is not true. They have NO protection or status under the law.

If I had my way, I would load up about 8,000 watts of noise, hash, or CW/RTTY on top of those goons! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Not to worry, I don't have anything to do that with
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif , but if you could prosecute on the basis of intent, I'd be in trouble. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

And, yes, I am on 10 Meters right now about to exercise my privileges to that band. (with 100 watts, of course)

73

[KB5WX]

KWH ,

What frequency are you on ?

73
Randy ( AI4FP )

[AC4BB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K4KWH @ July 24 2004,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing that got me was #we had #a few licenced #hams operators that #even thought that #We couldn't #even #talk over these illegals. #We can and I do talk #over them. &quot;Legally&quot;. # The #10 meter #will if we #don't #act to stop it become #those #&quot;Extree&quot; channels. # See you on 10 meters. # Bryan,AC4BB #&lt;Q&gt;

I have had a few &quot;hot&quot; discussions about this very thing.
Some of those with whom I had these little tiffs defiantly
asserted that *I* would be at fault for 'interference'. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #That is not true. #They have NO protection or status under the law.

If I had my way, I would load up about 8,000 watts of noise, hash, or CW/RTTY on top of those goons! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Not to worry, I don't have anything to do that with
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif , but if you could prosecute on the basis of intent, I'd be in trouble. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

And, yes, I am on 10 Meters right now about to exercise my privileges to that band. (with 100 watts, of course)

73[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
KWH; you misread what I said about talking over them&quot;The Illegals&quot; I had no problems with it and I would do it&quot; Because, as You and so many others pointed out the &quot;bootleggers are illegal and Don't have any rights ( nor) regulations to protect them&quot; Thankfully, those that un-lawfully occupy the ham bands can be dealt with and should be rightly so.&quot;

That's why we the Amateurs should operate on 10 and 12 and all tye bands that we worked so hard for the privilege of using and defend it to the last operator' . I'm on 10 meters everyday come rain or shine Who's with me? stand up and be counted!!!!!!. Bryan, , AC4BB http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif question: whan you usually hear the &quot; truckers &quot; do you hear BOTH of them, or just ONE ?

Reason I am asking, I hear some on 28.085...but...I only hear one. no one immediately answers him.

So...either
1) my ears arent that good
2) they are working SPLIT and the other is transmitting on another frequency...most likely with a ranger 2950...since the GALAXY rigs dont do &quot; split &quot; except for the real NEW models that are top-of-the-line...and I dont know that ( but I CAN go toward Huntsville and find out in 1 hour or less )

That is the case of 2 of the offenders around here...they do not say much ( 2 - 3 mile apart at the most ) and are very very BRIEF in their convo s ...so it really aint that BAAAAD of an offence, but it IS illegal. It aint like they sit there for hours and hours and jabber . They give smokey reports ( at least the ONE I do hear ) and they are gone ( 30 - 45 seconds max ).

73

===ai4ep---

[K8GHB]

YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNN...................

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[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Let he who is without sin cast the first stone http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K4KWH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AI4FP @ July 24 2004,10:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KWH ,

#What frequency are you on ?

# # # # # # # # 73
# # # # # # # # # # #Randy #( AI4FP )[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I am sort of a vagabond. But when I am traveling, I am on 28.085-- *my* &quot;calling frequency&quot; http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

73

K4KWH

[K4KWH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8GHB @ July 28 2004,18:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNN...................

# #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If I were a Tech, I'd yawn, too....................................

Nothing ventured, nothing gained (thar) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K4KWH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8GHB @ July 28 2004,18:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNN...................

# #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If I were a Tech, I'd yawn, too....................................

Nothing ventured, nothing gained (thar) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K4KWH]

OOOPS!! Sorry for the double! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KB5WX]

KWH

I usually use 28.085 myself. Made some good contacts just a few days ago right over some illegals too . Maybe we will be able to get in a qso one of these days . I'll be listening for you .

73
Randy ( AI4FP )
FISTS # 10542
ARRL VE
Member of SPAR

[K8GHB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K4KWH @ July 28 2004,20:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8GHB @ July 28 2004,18:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNN...................

# #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If I were a Tech, I'd yawn, too....................................

Nothing ventured, nothing gained (thar) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Being a lowly tech has nothing to do with it. This subject has been explored at length elsewhere on the board and has, seemingly, become the replacement for code threads.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif My license class is meaningless, as all should know by now from my posts here and looking down on techs in one manner or another just makes you look dumb, or, stuck up. Just like in society: United we stand and divided we fall. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[ae2ny]

I'm curious...

I'm a tech myself who is currently studying code and the AG text to upgrade to General.

Does that make me lowly too? Or how about my XYL who just got licensed last night as a Tech? Interesting thought... Just thought I'd ask. Oh and by the way, my wife studied for 9 weeks and got a perfect score on her test. Oh well, errant thoughts are often the evil of idle hands.


Anthony - KI4VPR

[K4KWH]

If I were a Tech, I'd yawn, too....................................

Nothing ventured, nothing gained (thar) &lt;Q&gt;


I don't recall using the term &quot;lowly&quot;. I thought my post was clear. You, sir, don't have HF privileges--not that that is important. BUT you continually disparage those of us who are upset at hearing &quot;Tan Fer thar, drivah&quot; on the bands that we worked for. To you, with your flippant
comments such as &quot;YAAAAAAAAWWWWN&quot;, it is nothing.
But then, you don't have anything to lose, now DO you.
What happens when those thieves start yappin' on your local repeater, huh? Will you &quot;YAAAWN&quot; then? Leave the
situation lie, and eventually you may as well just hand the keys over to the barbarians http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif ! They got &quot;rah'ts&quot; you know; they de-SERVE to get it for nothing, right? Well, I will not still sit for it. They can get a ticket to the party just like I did; no tick-ee, no play-ee! And nowhere did I use the term &quot;lowly&quot;, but I AM aggravated
at your responses to what others preceive as a legitimate complaint.

[K8GHB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K4KWH @ July 29 2004,14:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I were a Tech, I'd yawn, too....................................

Nothing ventured, nothing gained (thar) # &lt;Q&gt;


I don't recall using the term &quot;lowly&quot;. #I thought my post was clear. #You, sir, don't have HF privileges--not that that is important. #BUT you continually disparage those of us who are upset at hearing &quot;Tan Fer thar, drivah&quot; on the bands that we worked for. To you, with your flippant
comments such as &quot;YAAAAAAAAWWWWN&quot;, it is nothing.
But then, you don't have anything to lose, now DO you.
What happens when those thieves start yappin' on your local repeater, huh? Will you &quot;YAAAWN&quot; then? Leave the
situation lie, and eventually you may as well just hand the keys over to the barbarians http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif ! #They got &quot;rah'ts&quot; you know; they de-SERVE to get it for nothing, right? Well, I will not still sit for it. They can get a ticket to the party just like I did; no tick-ee, no play-ee! And nowhere did I use the term &quot;lowly&quot;, but I AM aggravated
at your responses to what others preceive as a legitimate complaint.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Then, &quot;sir&quot; why did you refer to my license class at all?

You seem to equate having HF privledges and knowing code as the holy grail of being a ham. Never mind that I have over 30 years experience in electronics, which is very likely more than you, or, that I am very obviously a educated, knowledgeable person. I dont &quot;disparage&quot; anyone here. I simply have my say, just like you do and if you choose not to agree with me that is your privlege.

I CHOSE to get a tech license, because it SERVES MY CURRENT NEEDS. It STILL makes me part of the amateur community, no matter if I choose to learn code or get HF privleges or not. And you certainly dont see me spitting hate or putdowns here towards anyone, do you? Fact is, what I say here is well thought and reasoned and I happen to think EVERYONE here, including YOU, sir, should do the same, allthough I'm sure that's not likely any time soon.

My position on 10 meters has been extensively expressed in other threads on this forum, which, I can only assume from your post, you have failed to read. I suggest you do so now and, perhaps, next time you might not be so thin skinned and ready to jump. Simply put: I have every right to say what I want here, as long as I dont break the rules of this board and I will do so.

You can be aggrivated all you like about the situation on 10 meters, that does not mean, however, that everyone agrees with you. And, as far as &quot;having anything to loose&quot;, the lack of legitimate use of 10 meters will, if anything loose the band for us. In any case, the solar cycle being as it is, you wont have to hear the truckers for much longer, no matter if you will &quot;stand for it&quot; or not.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Flippant..Long time since I heard that one. Tell you what: My YAWWWWNNNN is, as far as I am concerned, nothing compared to some of the things I read here. I suppose you are right about that one. It was meant to be.

[k4uug]

Y A W N

[K8GHB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N1OBN @ July 29 2004,21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Y #A #W #N[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Seems truth hurts.

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[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8GHB @ July 30 2004,11:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N1OBN @ July 29 2004,21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Y #A #W #N[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Seems truth hurts.

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Actually, I find this bickering between you two to be a great cure for insomnia. I only checked this thread in the hopes that someone had something interesting to say.

[NY7Q]

someone mentioned they were &quot;talking&quot; over the illegals, and if so you are illegal. 28.085 is CW and Digital only. To use SSB is illegal...of course, I'm old, and maybe wrong!! seems the new hams have their own laws nowadays.

[K8GHB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 30 2004,11:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8GHB @ July 30 2004,11:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N1OBN @ July 29 2004,21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Y #A #W #N[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Seems truth hurts.

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Actually, I find this bickering between you two to be a great cure for insomnia. I only checked this thread in the hopes that someone had something interesting to say.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, to each their own. Perhaps you have different interests than I do? You think that may be why we are all different?

You can call it bickering if you like, not that, I'm sure, you dont indulge from time to time. In any case, I'm pleased it entertains you.

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[K8GHB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NY7Q @ July 30 2004,11:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">someone mentioned they were &quot;talking&quot; over the illegals, and if so you are illegal. 28.085 is CW and Digital only. To use SSB is illegal...of course, I'm old, and maybe wrong!! seems the new hams have their own laws nowadays.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You think? Imagine that....

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[KB5WX]

I talk over the illegals on 28.085 all the time . The catch is , that I use CW to do it .

73
Randy ( AI4FP )
FISTS # 10542
ARRL VE
Member of SPAR

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[ka8jhm]

Without the mention or any call signs, or names, just one thing- self praise stinks.
Bob tbtm

[K4KWH]

For those who are interested (those who are in the &quot;yawwwwn&quot; category please stand by), I was tuning thru 10 Meters, and whaddya think I found. One of our trucker &quot;friends&quot; on 28.305 (using AM). I immediately called CQ on him and, after a few 'choice' words (I kept switching back and forth to listen, he and his buddy got quiet. Didn't hear him anywhere again. He DID make the remark to his friend, &quot;We're in the large car (truck) thar and them hams cain't find us&quot; nohow. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
What a 'maroon'! But I have to believe that I had some effect since I tuned all the way thru the band and didn't hear them again.

73 All,


K4KWH