Listening to 14.275

[kj5t]

I am sitting here right now listening to 14.275, and now I know what everyone is talking about when they say HF is pretty trashy somtimes. These guys are bashing Riley Hollingsworth, and these two guys were calling this one guy a "Homo" and a "Moron". Now this New York Station got on and they are speaking french, and they mentioned the CIA and the FBI, but I was unable to understand what they are saying.

This is really messed up, if anyone speaks french, or just wants to hear something really crazy tune your radio over to 14.275.

[W5MEJ]

Welcome to the real world, Steve. #Amateur radio is a cross section of the population. #There are jerks and morons in every walk of life. #In radio, as in the rest of the world, they tend to congregate in certain areas, and you've just found one of them. Good thing is, it's just as easy to avoid them on the radio as it is when you're walking about town. #Just spin the dial, or walk on down the road. #It doesn't take long to figure out what part of town you don't want to be in after dark.

The good thing is, there are plenty of respectable places to hang around in, too.

73
Chuck

[WA5KRP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5MEJ @ July 20 2004,23:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The good thing is, there are plenty of respectable places to hang around in, too.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well said..............the amateur community is jam packed with great folks. Don't let the a-holes distract you!



WA5KRP
Texas

[k0ews]

I noticed that 20 meters is in absolutely wonderful shape for DX tonight here. A very nice opening to Europe tonight lots of CW stations looking for DX. Just did a very nice one into Sweeden and had a nice little ragchew. Nicer still to put to use my bug and I so very much enjoyed that (God knows, I put a lot of effort into sounding good on it.) I could worry about the problem children on 14.275, but this was much more fun. The band is hot tonight, and I'm not about to let them ruin my fun. I'll leave them to an official observer to sort out. I'm having too much fun tonight down here chasing DX on CW! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k0ews]

Before anyone can jump me, yes, I meant SWEDEN, and not Sweeden ( I was excited)

Steve, TURN THAT DIAL and ENJOY HAM RADIO!

Peace, and 73

[kj5t]

I did indeed turn the dial, and had a nice ragchew with KA1TQ, my first New Hampshire station.. sitting here waiting for the 40 meter HHH net to begin, the only net I know of it that goes on early in the morning.

20 has indeed been open, I heard sweden down on 14.225, but was unable to work the guy http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

I heard K1MAN used to hang on 14.275 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Well my pepsi can is about empty, better go get a new one and then I will come back and do another 20 meter run.

73'
+Steve/KD5OWO

[n5tjd]

By any chance was the station talking about Riley VE7K**? If so, he does that alot, he is also usually accompanied by an alleged American QRMer that loves to play a &quot;Cuckoo&quot; sound over stations the VE station is trying to work and apparently Riley hasn't done anything about it. I won't complete his call, cause I see no need to, others probably know who I am talking about. If not, it doesn't really matter.

[kj5t]

Yes it was a VE station, and I did some information, and apparently this has been going on for a long time. Also from alittle more research Riley has had the other stations license suspended, but it did not keep the station off of the radio. Also riley is just one person trying to police a lot of air waves, I don't blame riley, and I won't take sides. The VE station and some New York station were talking about riley the FBI and the CIA and laughing, I was unable to understand what they were saying because they were speaking French.

I stopped on 14.275 first off to try to work the VE station he was 59+ here, but after listening to what he was saying I decided not to, I don't want to get mixed up in all that, if you ask me the Two QRMers and the VE station were in the wrong, and I have no idea what the new york station was talking about, but I am guessing it did not belong on ham radio.

+Steve/KD5OWO

[n5tjd]

Same deal with me, I was going to work him but between how he talked and the nasty QRM, I decided to just listen. I didn't want to get in the mess either. I heard him in early May.

[W0UZR]

I can't even hack 20m enough to spend a lot of time on it Steve.

I think I've only had 1 QSO where I wasn't QRMed to heck, and I can tune on a lot of frequencies and hear some people that aren't my tast at all. Have you listened on 14313 at all? MaN! I heard some guys on there, and I'll tell you,, It was heave duty sonething or another.

I quit 20m as my regular band over a year ago. I live on 40m now. And I can tune up and down the band, and everyone is respectable. A world different than 20.

[n5tjd]

I am not on 40m much, but it always seems like the the band is &quot;better&quot; as far as attitudes. I have a real bad setup for that band, a dipole at 15ft and 50w is just asking for problems.

BTW, OWO, Steve, heard you check into the HHH net around 0718z. Very light copy, S9 noise may have something to do with that, but you were stronger than the other region 5 stations on your try. I'm gonna listen to the net and see if it is something I'll try out on sleepless nights.

I may be young, but I don't like staying up late. I do that enough in college.

[kj5t]

I am waiting my turn right now, I am going to try to work HI and BC.. I have recently started working the net and I really like it.

Also I am pretty new to HF, and to 20 meters... so far I have worked a lot of nice stations, so far I have only worked stations on 40 meters and 20 meters. I have heard some 75 meter junk in the past on my R-600, but never thought I would hear it on 20 meters.

When I first got my license I thought I would NEVER hear even the word &quot;Damn&quot; on the radio, and the day I said that that &quot;AOL really Sucks&quot; (it slipped) I thought the FCC was going to be at my front door.. lol!

[KA9VQF]

Are you fellows on right now? its about 3:35a.m. CST all i hear on 20 an 40 is lots of static no stations.

[WA2ZDY]

20 and 40 are ok, in fact I've been having a blast the past few days on 20. I work 20 and 40 from the mobile. Those are the only hamsticks I have right now. But I'll be making some antenna changes soon and getting on 30 also.

Oh yeah, did I mention, I am working CW? The low end of those bands seems not to have the attitude problems you fellows are describing.

Good luck, enjoy ham radio. There's something for everyone.

[kj5t]

@KA9VQF

The HHH net is still going on, its on 7235, and it held at 0700UTC Daily..

@WA2ZDY

I learned my CW for the test, and I might put some practice in it later on and do it more often, but I really enjoy talking to people, I love using my voice, and really no offense to CW buffs, but CW was boring when I was learning it, and I am in no rush to really work CW. But I applaud those who do, and maybe I should get better to avoid the SSB &quot;Elite CBers&quot;

+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

Found it. Lite copy here tho. I have a simi resonant 80 wire up here and a junk MFJ versa tuner so maybe if I smeg around with it a bit it will get better.

[KA9VQF]

Woah Steve, you worked Australia!!

[kj5t]

They will ask for calls again shortly, try getting in, if you can hear me I might be able to hear you and we can both get a new contact.

+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

I tried tuning up on the band but my old TS820S doesn’t seem to like the wire it is attached to on this band I only get a bit over 10 watts out doubt if any one could hear me. I really have to do something better with my antennas.

[kj5t]

I worked K8LOV (In Michigan), he was putting out 10 watts QRP http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Its a worth a shot my friend..

+Steve/KD5OWO

[k6pme]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KA9VQF @ July 21 2004,02:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Woah Steve, you worked Australia!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Heyyyy....~KWEL~....... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KA9VQF]

Yepper, i tried a few times and with whacking the tuner i was showing around 100 w out but they didn't seem to be able to hear me. the tuner didn't get hot but i kept the transmissions short so i wouldn't be talking over the net controle. every time i unkeyed they would be talking to someone else it seemed like. worth a shot i guess tho.

[kj5t]

They hold the net daily, so you can always try again.

Off to bed!

73'
+Steve/KD5OWO

[W0LC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5OWO @ July 20 2004,21:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am sitting here right now listening to 14.275, and now I know what everyone is talking about when they say HF is pretty trashy somtimes. #These guys are bashing Riley Hollingsworth, and these two guys were calling this one guy a &quot;Homo&quot; and a &quot;Moron&quot;. #Now this New York Station got on and they are speaking french, and they mentioned the CIA and the FBI, but I was unable to understand what they are saying.

This is really messed up, if anyone speaks french, or just wants to hear something really crazy tune your radio over to 14.275.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
There you go! It's those darn General class ops again! Hi.

Yes, you hear all kinds of trash on the bands, repeaters and just about anywhere. Many hide behind the &quot;freedom&quot; of speech sermon. Others, figure if they have an amateur license, they can &quot;broadcast&quot; whatever they want. I turn the dial. I don't give them more then the 5 seconds it took me to zero beat them in.

What losers.

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5WZB @ July 20 2004,23:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By any chance was the station talking about Riley VE7K**? If so, he does that alot, he is also usually accompanied by an alleged American QRMer that loves to play a &quot;Cuckoo&quot; sound over stations the VE station is trying to work and apparently Riley hasn't done anything about it. I won't complete his call, cause I see no need to, others probably know who I am talking about. If not, it doesn't really matter.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, a VE7 call would be a Canadian ham, if I remember correctly... Riley has absolutely no jurisdiction over Canadian amateurs, so you can't really blame him for not doing anything about him.

Now, the American &quot;cuckoo&quot; is another matter.

[W5HTW]

Those guys on 14275 have been ranting for years I guess. Oneof the reasons (one of them published an extremely long comment on this on eHam a few months ago) is they want an &quot;authorized&quot; Polish speaking 'channel' on 20 meters. Yeah, buddy.

Add in K1MAN and that area of 20 is madness. But there is a lot more to 20 meters. Sure, 14313 is a mess, too - sounds to me like a bunch of playground pre-teens. But as noted by others, my VFO doesn't automatically 'home' there and I can easily avoid them. And a couple of the signals normally on 14295 can be heard 12 khz higher and 8 khz lower - extremely broad.

Though I work mostly CW anyway, 20 and 75 are the two bands where I probably am about 30 percent sideband, mostly due to nets I check into.

But I've learned to listen for what I want to hear, not for all the garbage.

73
Ed

[N7AAO]

It's not just the CW areas that let you avoid the jerks... there aren't that many that I've run across in the PSK31 section of 20m. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[k4uug]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5OWO @ July 21 2004,00:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am sitting here right now listening to 14.275, and now I know what everyone is talking about when they say HF is pretty trashy somtimes. #These guys are bashing Riley Hollingsworth, and these two guys were calling this one guy a &quot;Homo&quot; and a &quot;Moron&quot;. #Now this New York Station got on and they are speaking french, and they mentioned the CIA and the FBI, but I was unable to understand what they are saying.

This is really messed up, if anyone speaks french, or just wants to hear something really crazy tune your radio over to 14.275.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Those guys screw with alot of nets also! its the norm and that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[k0ews]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those guys screw with alot of nets also! its the norm and that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it! [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, it didn't; however if you ever spent any time with the certain mode in question, you would know that it consistantly has the best behavior and operating practices on the HF bands, along with the digital modes as well, as observed by my friend N7AAO. Anyway, STEVE, GLAD YOU TURNED THE DIAL! You sound like you had a lot of fun on the radio last night; you youngsters that can stay up all night have all the fun. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif 73

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k0ews @ July 21 2004,08:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those guys screw with alot of nets also! its the norm and that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it! [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, it didn't; however if you ever spent any time with the certain mode in question, you would know that it consistantly has the best behavior and operating practices on the HF bands, along with the digital modes as well, as observed by my friend N7AAO.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That brings up a good question... what is it about CW and digital modes that keep the lids off... or, looking at it from the other end, what is it about phone that makes the lids flock to it?

Just wondering if anyone had any idea...

[k0ews]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That brings up a good question... what is it about CW and digital modes that keep the lids off... or, looking at it from the other end, what is it about phone that makes the lids flock to it?

Just wondering if anyone had any idea... [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

My theory? VOX. Psychiatrists call it the &quot;critical second&quot; when one engages the mouth before they engage the brain. We all do it at some point, we call it foot in mouth disease. As for people with the keyboard and key, that critical second gives them a chance &quot;cool off&quot; before they send, and with CW especially, because of the brevity, one puts a lot of thought into what they will say. You don't want to waste time sending in CW, and adding anything that's not germaine to the message you are sending is both a waste to send and to receive. I think that with the keyboard, it is the same thing, especially if the digital operator is not a very good typist. Just my theory, but I'll stick with it. 73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k0ews @ July 21 2004,08:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That brings up a good question... what is it about CW and digital modes that keep the lids off... or, looking at it from the other end, what is it about phone that makes the lids flock to it?

Just wondering if anyone had any idea... [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

My theory? #VOX. #Psychiatrists call it the &quot;critical second&quot; when one engages the mouth before they engage the brain. #We all do it at some point, we call it foot in mouth disease. #As for people with the keyboard and key, that critical second gives them a chance &quot;cool off&quot; before they send, and with CW especially, because of the brevity, one puts a lot of thought into what they will say. #You don't want to waste time sending in CW, and adding anything that's not germaine to the message you are sending is both a waste to send and to receive. #I think that with the keyboard, it is the same thing, especially if the digital operator is not a very good typist. #Just my theory, but I'll stick with it. #73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I thought it might also have something to do with the fact that CW and digital modes are much more one-on-one, and voice is much easier to &quot;broadcast&quot; to whoever is listening, so the lids that want attention would gravitate to the place where they can &quot;broadcast&quot; the easiest.

[k4uug]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k0ews @ July 21 2004,11:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those guys screw with alot of nets also! its the norm and that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it! [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, it didn't; however if you ever spent any time with the certain mode in question, you would know that it consistantly has the best behavior and operating practices on the HF bands, along with the digital modes as well, as observed by my friend N7AAO. #Anyway, STEVE, GLAD YOU TURNED THE DIAL! #You sound like you had a lot of fun on the radio last night; you youngsters that can stay up all night have all the fun. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif # 73[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh you are putting words in my mouth did I say the the operators on that certin mode of operation were impolite or rude.No Thats not what I said.I said that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it!Just because of proficiency in that mode is #not an indicator of a desirable, motivated or better qualified operator.I did not mention digital modes either.I like psk mode myself.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Have a nice Day #73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Voice Msg For YOU ! (http://soundamerica.com/sounds/cartoons/Warner_Brothers_Cartoons/Foghorn_Leghorn/foghorn1.wav)

[k0ews]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote (k0ews @ July 21 2004,11:27)
Quote
Those guys screw with alot of nets also! its the norm and that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it!

No, it didn't; however if you ever spent any time with the certain mode in question, you would know that it consistantly has the best behavior and operating practices on the HF bands, along with the digital modes as well, as observed by my friend N7AAO. Anyway, STEVE, GLAD YOU TURNED THE DIAL! You sound like you had a lot of fun on the radio last night; you youngsters that can stay up all night have all the fun. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif 73

Oh you are putting words in my mouth did I say the the operators on that certin mode of operation were impolite or rude.No Thats not what I said.I said that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it!Just because you proficiency in that mode is not an indicator of a desirable, motivated or better qualified operator.I did not mention digital modes either.I like psk mode myself.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Have a nice Day 73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Voice Msg For YOU ! [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Not putting any words in your mouth, just making an observation; as a matter of fact, the first 3 words of my original post are that I was agreeing with you; a CW examination is hardly a lid filter. However, I did qualify my remarks that the best behavior seems to be on the CW and digital modes. That's not putting any words in your mouth, that's putting them in my mouth. I know you didn't say CW operators were bad; I made the observation that just about all of them that I hear are very good! I'm glad you like PSK 31. If you like that mode, you might consider giving CW a try too someday. I think you might enjoy it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif 73

[K7JBQ]

I'm mostly a CW op, so not much of that stuff bothers me. But for years the general phone portion of 20m has been, at best, a zoo run by the animals.

Even if you're a diehard phone guy, it's another strong reason to upgrade.

73,
Bill

[k4uug]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k0ews @ July 21 2004,11:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">#I'm glad you like PSK 31. #If you like that mode, you might consider giving CW a try too someday. #I think you might enjoy it! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif # 73[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I enjoy all the modes of this hobby, I just think one certin mode of operation should not be afforded any special priority over others. It is available to those who wish to use it.Proficiency of a mode should not be required for those who do not wish to use the mode.Some guys like phone some like digital modes.The hobby should not be centered around any one mode of operation.
my view (http://www.qrz.com/callsign/n1obn/)

[k4uug]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K7JBQ @ July 21 2004,12:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm mostly a CW op, so not much of that stuff bothers me. But for years the general phone portion of 20m has been, at best, a zoo run by the animals.

Even if you're a diehard phone guy, it's another strong reason to upgrade.

73,
Bill[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
So has the EXTRA phone portion of 20 &amp; 75 ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
It has been going on for the past 50 yrs one certin mode of operation proficiency is not an indicator of a desirable, motivated or better qualified operator. Hams should police each other!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[N7AAO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K7JBQ @ July 21 2004,09:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm mostly a CW op, so not much of that stuff bothers me. But for years the general phone portion of 20m has been, at best, a zoo run by the animals.

Even if you're a diehard phone guy, it's another strong reason to upgrade.

73,
Bill[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Why upgrade? Just get a good PSK interface, download a good program, and have at it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W0LC]

It is sad that goes on up in the General portion or any portion for that matter. Some of these guys have been doing it for years. I think SSB is the only mode they use and have used for years.

I for one am glad I have a dial and can spin down/up the band away from these lids, either to work some SSB elsewhere or work a mode where my operating proficiency keeps those lids out of that portion of the band since they are obviously, undesirable, unmotivated and definitely unqualified operators to hold a license and couldn't if they tried to operate at the far end of the band(s).

I have to wonder why they got into this hobby to start with. Sure would be an excellent case study for some psych class! Hi.

[kj5t]

I guess CBers used voice, so those who want to make ham radio into CB what I like to call &quot;elite CBer's&quot; use voice.

For me Digital modes and CW are not my main interest, I like using my voice, and making voice contacts around the world is pretty cool. I don't think Have ever really listened to 14.313, and the last time I was on 14.275 talking to anyone was during the IARU contest, I just hear them last night.

I was waiting for someone to pick up their mike and explain to these people that thier hate comments against Riley and there extreme name calling was not welcome on 20 meters. I really wish the there was more the FCC could so about people in the U.S who like to show bad operating practices. K1MAN still as an ACTIVE amateur radio Extra class callsign, and yet he has poor operating practices, he is not fit to hold an amateur radio license. I think there needs to be more investigation into these crimes to the amateur radio community.

+Steve/KD5OWO

[KC8QMU]

Steve,

It is good that you have taken the appropriate attitude towards QSOs that aren't quite your style, you spun the VFO.

The fact is, if there is no profanity involved it is freedom of speech, whether some of you like it or not. The fact is, I can express any opinion I want on amateur radio, as long as I can do it without profanity. Nothing says I have to talk only about the weather, feedline losses, RLC circuts, etc 100% of the time.

You will find that some folks here seem to seldom transmit but hang on every word of QSOs of those that they supposedly are against, and come here and complain about it.

As someone fresh to HF, I think you did the best thing, you found something that you were more interested in. You have to remember, this is a very broad hobby, different people like to talk/communicate about different things using different modes.

Because of the amount of stations that you can hear on the HF bands compared to VHF/UHF, you will hear more different types of QSOs. You just have to find what you enjoy and run with it. You certainly seem to be on the right track, and I wish you luck! You will hear QSOs that are a bit different from everyone else's on the band, and it doesn't make it wrong, even though some can't fathom others having QSOs different than themselves.

Again, find where you are comfortable and have a good time!

By the way, you do seem to have a good signal here on 40. I was able to copy you through the lightning crashes most of the time last weekend on the 7275 net. Hope to hear you on the bands soon! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W0LC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5OWO @ July 21 2004,13:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess CBers used voice, so those who want to make ham radio into CB what I like to call &quot;elite CBer's&quot; #use voice.

For me Digital modes and CW are not my main interest, I like using my voice, and making voice contacts around the world is pretty cool. #I don't think Have ever really listened to 14.313, and the last time I was on 14.275 talking to anyone was during the IARU contest, I just hear them last night.

I was waiting for someone to pick up their mike and explain to these people that thier hate comments against Riley and there extreme name calling was not welcome on 20 meters. #I really wish the there was more the FCC could so about people in the U.S who like to show bad operating practices. #K1MAN still as an ACTIVE amateur radio Extra class callsign, and yet he has poor operating practices, he is not fit to hold an amateur radio license. #I think there needs to be more investigation into these crimes to the amateur radio community.

+Steve/KD5OWO[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wish they would get all the nuts off or out of this hobby, regardless of class or band. From 2 meter repeater problems, to 20 meter phone nazis, etc. I wish the FCC would get a bit more agressive to inappropriate behavior. It all comes down to money and motivation.

[W5HTW]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ July 21 2004,08:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k0ews @ July 21 2004,08:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those guys screw with alot of nets also! its the norm and that certin mode did not keep the rift raft out now did it! [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, it didn't; however if you ever spent any time with the certain mode in question, you would know that it consistantly has the best behavior and operating practices on the HF bands, along with the digital modes as well, as observed by my friend N7AAO.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That brings up a good question... what is it about CW and digital modes that keep the lids off... or, looking at it from the other end, what is it about phone that makes the lids flock to it?

Just wondering if anyone had any idea...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sure.

Phone is &quot;easy.&quot; Requires no effort, no dedication, no special training. We all know how to open our mouths (unless we are handicapped) and talk. Add a finger for the PTT switch and you are on the air. It's plumb darned easy. CBers have been doing it for forty years without having to get any personal skills or technical training.

Nothing wrong with phone operation. The majority of hams like it, and that's fine. Whether it's SSB on 20, FM on 2 meters, or even the gradually increasing use of digital voice, it's still easy. We talk to nonhams at work, church, school, the bus stop, garage, hospital, store, etc. Just open mouth and talk. And it's fun. You meet people at the laundromat, the movie theater, a bar, a club, the golf course, and you talk. Nothing to it. So add a radio and a microphone and it's just plumb automatic!

And a vast majority of today's hams, including Extras, attended faithfully &quot;The CB School For Aspiring Ham Radio Operators.&quot; This has been true for close to two decades now, so there are plenty &quot;grads&quot; out there.

The other modes, even the sound card digital ones, require a little bit more skill (call it 'work' or 'effort') so those seeking the easy way will not dedicate themselves to those modes. Sure, it really isn't terribly complicated to do any of those modes, but it is slightly above &quot;open mouth and push button.&quot;

Consequently while the easy-way group flocks to phone, and they do so because it requires no effort (or at least that's the reasoning for a lot of them) those with a bit more inquisitivity in their lives tend to look for something else. They discover the other modes and find them a wee dab more challenging. And one of the other modes quite a bit more challenging! And if you don't accept that as fact, all you have to do is count up the ones who won't learn that mode because it takes effort. Some of those, though, will take the effort to plug in a cable from the radio interface to the computer.

Ed

[kj5t]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0LC @ July 21 2004,14:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5OWO @ July 21 2004,13:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess CBers used voice, so those who want to make ham radio into CB what I like to call &quot;elite CBer's&quot; #use voice.

For me Digital modes and CW are not my main interest, I like using my voice, and making voice contacts around the world is pretty cool. #I don't think Have ever really listened to 14.313, and the last time I was on 14.275 talking to anyone was during the IARU contest, I just hear them last night.

I was waiting for someone to pick up their mike and explain to these people that thier hate comments against Riley and there extreme name calling was not welcome on 20 meters. #I really wish the there was more the FCC could so about people in the U.S who like to show bad operating practices. #K1MAN still as an ACTIVE amateur radio Extra class callsign, and yet he has poor operating practices, he is not fit to hold an amateur radio license. #I think there needs to be more investigation into these crimes to the amateur radio community.

+Steve/KD5OWO[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wish they would get all the nuts off or out of this hobby, regardless of class or band. #From 2 meter repeater problems, to 20 meter phone nazis, etc. #I wish the FCC would get a bit more agressive to inappropriate behavior. #It all comes down to money and motivation.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Too bad the FCC does nto really care i Ham radio turns into CB or not, they are getting to the point where all they want to do is issue the license, and then they really don't care what happens after that. Its great they have hired Riley to take care of some of the things, and its a shame people like 'KFM would bash Riley.

73'
+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

So Steve are you on tonight I called CQ for you a few times a while ago hopeing you were on frequency waiting for the net to start but didn't hear you.

[kj5t]

I did not turn the radio on intill the net started, but I am on right now listening to the net. They are currently asking for DX stations. 9's come towards the end, can you hear NC? You should go off frequency and try tuning up 40 and then try checking in.

73'
+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

All ready did my tuneing up when I was calling you. Can copy NC 5x4

[kj5t]

I hear NC about 5X3 40 is horrible tonight..

+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

I wish I'd set the radio closer to the computer when i set it up this time

[kj5t]

I have my radios right next the computers for quicker logging and such. Also I can put my headphones on and read posts on QRZ and still listen to the HHH net.

+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

Well the laptop is real close to the rig but I left the 'good' one farther away so the kid could use it when I'm on the air. Neither NC seemed to be able to hear me. All my equipment is telling me I’m getting out but I guess I’m just warming the clouds.

[kj5t]

They hear a light one, is that you? keep trying, they won't give up....

+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

Naw ain't like me to give up that easy. These new pills the doc gave me are really helping. I'll probably be up a spell yet and keep trying.

[kj5t]

I need to get in the kitchen and make me a pot of coffee or somthing, lol! I got Canada and Minnisota already, and I am looking to get a few more before the net is over.

+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

I have a quart of apple juice that is going down really good tonight. Do these fellows have a web site or not. I was listening on 7.233.5 to the 3905 net and they have a site@ WWW.3905ccn.com. They couldn't hear me eaither. I don't use very quiet fellow for my funetics for nothing.

I suppose we will get yelled at for using the T&amp;O board for a chat room so we probably should knock it off.

[kj5t]

the HHH net has a website at www.hhhnet.net

You can email me at kd5owo@arrl.net and I will give you my MSN information and my Yahoo information.

73'
+Steve/KD5OWO

[KA9VQF]

Ok. i have sent you a message on ARRL. I sent it form my hotmail thing so you should be able to just add it to the messenger bit.

[kj5t]

QSL QSL!

Back to the orginal topic, I scanned over 14.275 tonight and heard them playing music and stuff. Of course I kept scanning my way up to 14.300.5 where I tried to get sweden, lucky for me I got sweden down on 14.252 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

+Steve/KD5OWO

Luckily we don't have many &quot;morons&quot; in the UK. It's a good thing that we (UK &amp; USA) have people to deal with the morons. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kj5t]

Sadly I have yet to work the UK. Good to hear you have good amateurs over there. We have plenty of good ones in america, but there are a few &quot;bad eggs&quot;

+Steve/KD5OWO