CANNED HAMS

[K9STH]

Let us not start getting personal!

TAI:

You never passed an 18 words per minute test for an amateur license! You probably passed 13 words per minute which was the requirement ever since World War II for a Conditional, General, Advanced, and 20 words per minute for Extra until the FCC reduced that requirement to 5 words per minute fairly recently.

I'll let this thread remain open and see what happens. But, if things start getting out of hand then I'll close it down! Also, remember, none of the code / no-code discussion will be tolerated! Thanks to the people who couldn't even wait 24 hours before trashing that particular subject within another thread, this time I have put a 60 day moritorium on the subject!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

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Ray,

I may be only an Extra, but at least I know Ohm's Law, and for the record it ain't "E=I/R."

Might make for an interesting circuit or two, though.

And while we're on the subject of "cheat sheets,"
the "Eagle" sees the "Indian" and the "Rabbit" on the same plane, hence it's E=IR.

As I was taught back in 1959, waaaay before Dick Bash etc.

73 and TGIF,
Bill

[KG4CGC]

If it were not for the present study material, I would not know what or where to study. In the 6th grade, I learned to read schematics but was hard pressed to find anyone who could explain theory past what it already said in the books. During the mid seventies, publications on electronics that I could find in the library had copyright dates from 1951 to 1964. Any books I could find in the middle shcool library on the up and coming digital age were too hard to comprehend for my 11 year old mind.
If one wanted to study to become an Amateur radio operator "from scratch", how would one go about that these days? Does anyone have a solution to this so called problem?
Charles C., KG4CGC

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n1tai @ June 18 2004,08:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As copied from http://www.mainattraction.net

CANNED HAMS
Amateur Radio Operators Cheat
by Ray Sabb, Editor

North Port, FL - June 18, 2004 - For those of you who are familiar with who and what Amateur Radio Operators are (HAMS), I am sure you are also familiar with the valuable service that they provide to your communities not only in times of need but also as a vital part of the communications infrastructure nationally and locally.

But what you probably don't know is the what the ARRL (Amateur Radio Relay League) and the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) have pretty much thrown away the qualifications to become a ham.

Before the FCC, used to require that any licensed amateur know Morse Code at 5 words per minute and the basics of radio theory and the FCC rules that govern the use of the amateur service. Back then a person who held an amateur license truly could be called a HAM.

But today you can go down to any store that sells licensing training material, study the questions and memorize the answers and pass the test. Your now a licensed Amateur Radio Operator. WRONG!

You have just become what I called a CANNED HAM. What sense does it make to just memorize the answers and not understand what a diode or a resistor is. Or what sense does it make if your and Extra teaching entry level tech's something you do not even understand.

I know a so called ham who has an Extra license and he doesn't even know what E=I/R is. This guy just memorized the answers and to boot it all, he is a VE/C. Not to mention he teaches one of the tech classes with a local club. THIS IS NOT THE HAM RADIO I KNOW.

This is not the HAM RADIO the ARRL should be promoting. At the very least, the ARRL and the FCC should insure or give to the VE's a test that really does question their knowledge of Amateur Radio. Not just let them become a VE or VE/C because they just know the answers. But more than this, if there were a real national disaster, would you want your local HAM who literally cheated on the knowledge of radio and the practice of this valuable service to be in front of the radio trying to figure out how to helll to save your life?

Now, along with being a ham, comes the responsibility of knowing the FCC Rules. Here again if you just memorize the answers and you really have no practical experience or even practice experience to then do you qualify calling yourself a HAM?

Advertising a company on a radio net is not allowed yet on one occasion I heard a Tech licensee tell the whole world what a lovely job she has and that the company she is working for is looking for more people and that you should if interested go to such and such a place and apply. EXCUSE ME, DOES THIS NOT BREAK THE RULES SET DOWN BY THE FCC?

It does indeed, Sec. 97.113 Prohibited transmissions (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer.
It is a gray area but still!

And again this is a ham who studied for 3 weeks memorizing the answers to pass the tech exam.

So if this is the way the Amateur Service is going to be than so be it. But for this HAM, I strongly urge all the REAL HAMS to petition the ARRL and the FCC for stricter governance of the VE/C's and to not make the answers available except by obtaining them via a qualified examiner.

It is time to recycle the Canned Hams.

NOTE: Ray Sabb is a licensed amateur with the call of W4TAI, General Class Licensee.MainAttraction.NET (http://www.mainattraction.net)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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Here we go again with a variant of the code vs no-coders debate. #Lay off and get off your soap box TAI, you have no ground to stand on with some of your posts that show you have no idea as to what you are talking about. #DO NOT cross the line that Glen has set on this sensitive issue. #

Research your own background before you post. #Because there was NO SUCH ANIMAL as an 18 wpm code test. #The code exams was 5, 13, &amp; 20 wpm up until a few years ago. #

Becoming a ham in whatever class license does not mean that Tech, General or Extra examinee is going to completely know everything in electronic theory or antenna building that is out there overnight before the test or after, for that matter. #IT'S ALL A LEARNING PROCESS.

Let's not go down a road Glen or anyone else really does not want to go down.

[WA5KRP]

Erroneous facts and faulty math tend to undermine any argument.



WA5KRP
Texas

[K4JSR]

SIGH! # More hate and discontent.
If people today do not like the license requirements they should take up a nice hobby-- nuclear war.
Newcomers who do not like us old pharts can also take up a
nice hobby--glowing in the dark after the nuclear war! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
This thread has proven once again that canned ham is just another way of saying *SPAM*.

Threads like this turn us all into mushrooms. #They keep us in
the dark and feed us a lot of fecal material. And I, for one,
will not take a lichen to this! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Now go play nice like radio hams should!

Cal #K4JSR (And yes FT, I am a FUN GUY!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KG4CGC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K4JSR @ June 18 2004,05:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Threads like this turn us all into mushrooms. #They keep us in
the dark and feed us a lot of fecal material. And I, for one,
will not take a lichen to this! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Now go play nice like radio hams should!

Cal #K4JSR #(And yes FT, I am a FUN GUY!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
HAW!
Laughed so hard I sneezed! On the monitor no less!

[K4JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K7JBQ @ June 18 2004,09:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ray... ...Dick Bash etc.

73 and TGIF,
Bill[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
SOUNDS PAINFULL! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[ky5u]

Dang, Bill....ya beat me to it. # Shame on Glen for missing it too....LOL # He must be quoting a different OHM's law. #Clarence OHM who said:

E=I/R or Effectveness = IQ(perceived)/Research(lack of)

[KB9YCO]

If only people could put this much passion into the real problems of the world, or even the real problems of the amateur service.

I say to you good day!!!

[KA3RFE]

Cool! A ham basher who doesn't know the code requirements as they used to be, and doesn't know Ohm's law!

It ain't E=I/R. It ain't , and never has been 18 wpm.

The other problem is the original post has been deleted yet the responses are still up. I wouldn't have known what is being talked about had not someone quoted the whole post in a reply.

73, Pete KA3RFE

[af2cw]

He also never bothered to use his correct call, W4TAI.
Strange isn't it? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[ac3p]

And I thought it was those canned NTS messages that seem to filling the traffic nets these days.


73

Frank

[KC7ATO]

My goodness all this fussin about equations and stuff like that reminds me of math class where the teacher was trying to tell us how pi r squared. He couldn't fool any of the country boys though because we knew that cornbread were square and pi r round. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cal..

awww. You ruined it for me.. here I thougth you were just another serious guy and then you told me different!

Next thing you know.. I'll be seeing puns, satire songs and all sorts oft hings from you!

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Also, I have the military guys to thank for providing me the best (albeit a 'bit' risque) color code for resistors.

It helped me remember to stay away from bad boys who do bad things to our girls but won't marry 'em to make 'em honorable ladies. But they do end by admonishing us to 'Get Some Now!'

Hmmm... Gotta love those military techs!

[N0KLT]

Of course he passed 18 words per minute code, after all 5 + 13 = 18 so by passing the novice and the General and combining them as a total of wpm passed, it's simple how he passed 18 wpm. Now if he had only passed the old extra code test, he could claim he had passed 38 wpm. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Sounds sort of logical, doesn't it?

73

Gary NØKLT

sorry guys, I just couldn't resist that flight of &quot;logic&quot;

[WF7I]

Canned ham? Is that anything like Spam? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w6ez]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WF7I @ June 17 2004,18:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Canned ham? Is that anything like Spam? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wuz just gonna say I feel more like spam than ham sometimes.

[K8GHB]

Haw, haw, haw! Dontcha just love the yocks and boffs?

lessee if I can remember this: E
----
I | R

Now, draw a triangle around it. A Ohms law &quot;Magic triangle!


Lessee E=I times R

I=E over R

R=E over I

A little rusty perhaps, since it has been a while, but I did notice that none of the responses here so far bothered to do anything but say the mans &quot;formula&quot; was wrong (and repeat, ad nauseum that there never was a 18WPM test) and make boring jokes about it. I know, I know, such mistakes are worthy of death by ridicule right? Can you spell BORED?

Now, perhaps, if there were more TECHNICAL threads and acumen displayed on this board, instead of political crap, insults, snide remarks and putdowns, petty arguments over the smallest things and jokes at others expense, maybe we could ALL learn something worthwhile? Imagine...

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Methinks that 'someone on this thread' mayest JUST be in need of a 'sense of humor' implant in order to stop taking things TOO darn seriously!

I kinda liked my Elmer's use of 'OHM'S PIE' where he took a pie and used a knife and inscribed I=E/R in the crust and then said...'This is OHM'S PIE!'..

Then he proceeded to cut thepieces out and rearrange them. #Silly? You betchas.. but hnow what?

I've never forgotten it and people WONDER why I smile when I see a pie..

BTW.. for 'the poster without a sense of humor'.

(To quote Foghorn Leghorn 'It's a joke, Son... I say..it's #a joke!..&quot;

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K3FT

5WPM + 13 WPM as someone noted = 18WPM.. Very logical!
We do the saem thing here with YL/XYL and OM inour nets.. we say 161 which is 73 and 88 combined! It gets a laugh and it has caught on here locally on our nets.

(that's another Joke for the 'humor challenged one' BTW)