QRZ Info on Eham.net

[N7DJK]

I just Noticed that QRZ Info Biographys & Photos are now on EHAM.NET #?? I have not used Eham in a while but just today I noticed biography,s Photos & Email address
that are set up for QRZ are also now posted on Eham. Why hide the email address on QRZ from spamers when Eham.net is showing them?? If I missed when & how this happend just post where the info is. Don,t get on me for the Obvious to someone else.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[W9JI]

Maybe QRZ has purchased EHAM?

[KC9ECI]

Interesting. All the stuff I posted to my profile here at QRZ is now over at eHam without my permission.

[ai4ep]

no problem...dont put any thing in one profile section, it dont get transferred to the other...( duh ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K6UEY]

If there has been a purchase I fore see a problem that may be difficult to solve,all the miscreant's from the QRZ Hall of Shame wind up on E-Ham,it seems their standards are much lower than QRZ. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC7UP]

I found my name there also and I am not a subscriber to eham.net.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
Curt

[ke4pjw]

The image links used by profiles on eham are linked directly to qrz.com.


Hope they have permission to do that. If not, I would be having a little fun with mod_rewrite ;)

[K8YS]

and for this very reason, I removed my profile and graphic from QRZ.COM

[K6UEY]

Glen, Fred, Staff anyone care to comment ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[af2cw]

We should all update our profile and say how rotten
eHam is. I wonder if they'll use those profiles? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[W0UZR]

AAAHhh!!
OK,,,I think I figured it out now. You look up a call sign and and, and, It turns into QRZ!

Well, look me up on QRZ and you see the same thing. Except one thing though. #My Email ad is right there.

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ June 16 2004,23:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AAAHhh!!
OK,,,I think I figured it out now. You look up a call sign and and, and, It turns into QRZ!

Well, look me up on QRZ and you see the same thing. Except one thing though. #My Email ad is right there.

Great! now if I want to Copy and Past someones Email, I can go there and it will be faster! Or of course, I can just click on it too, and *POOF* a message appears.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, the email address is an image over there as well.

I suspect this means that it was done with the blessing of Fred, because it would require a little more effort to import the addresses from images on QRZ.com than importing them from a database dump.

[W0UZR]

OOp,,,I spoke too soon. The Email is unpastable. And a message doesn't pop up. I should have tried it first. But it's a lot faster seeing someone's Email ad though.

[W0UZR]

I just re-edited my profile and looked myself up on eham again, and *POOF* it changed right in step. So, the call sign look up on eham is QRZ.

And click on the QRZ profile edit and you go to the QRZ page.

[KG4CGC]

Uh, it's just a link.

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ June 16 2004,23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just re-edited my profile and looked myself up on eham again, and *POOF* it changed right in step. So, the call sign look up on eham is #QRZ.

And click on the QRZ profile edit and you go to the QRZ page.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Looks like they are using qrz's database, so yea, I would say Fred has struck a deal with the eham folks.

[k0ews]

I think that this was mentioned on E-Ham a couple months ago. #Just before his death, Bill Fisher had mentioned something involving QRZ in one of the threads. #I'm not exactly sure, but I think the callbook lookup must be the result. #I remember the thread had something to do with the subscriptions, and the future of the site. #Anyway, I do remember something about this that was mentioned in March or so. #I guess it would probably be more appropriate to ask the eham guys what's up than the QRZ guys. #73 to all.

[W0UZR]

I don't get it.
Everything you had on QRZ, ANYone can look at it and read what you have here anyway. And almost all people look up you and everyone else up on QRZ, #instead of Buckmasters or eham, and already read it here by now,,,So,,,

What's the difference if it is on eham? #It's not like QRZ is a closed membership or something and no one can look anything up on here but us. What we put in our biographies is and becomes public information for the world to look at. And if you didn't mind if the world looked at it here,,,Then why don't you like it if the world looks at it there?

The only thing that could bother ya is that you don't like eham? And the Email ad in plain sight. I can see where that would get a guy.

[KB1KIX]

Ummm... let me get this straight. We are whining over information that is already available freely?

Site wars again?

Geez, maybe we should argue about code again? Some people just need something to whine about.

Jonathan

[k9zmd]

Let's talk about that email address appearing in the clear now. #Is it, or is it not, vulnerable now to the bots that scour the Internet for anything that smells like an email address? #Suspecting what the answer will be, I just pulled my email address off QRZ.COM.

Gary, K9ZMD
Palmdale, CA

[WF7I]

What say you Glen?

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k9zmd @ June 18 2004,17:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is it, or is it not, vulnerable now to the bots that scour the Internet for anything that smells like an email address?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The email is an image, not a link. Bots can't glean the addresses and you can't &quot;click&quot; one to email the addressee.

[K9STH]

Frankly, it is news to me! I haven't been over on eHam for quite a while.

However, it is very easy for the spam-masters, computer virus types, etc., to get your E-Mail address. They often just makeup calls and then assign them to the various major ISP and &quot;free&quot; E-Mail suppliers (like Hot Mail, Yahoo, etc.). Also, they use the ARRL forwarding site as well.

Glen, K9STH

[KD7HGK]

I just noticed it did the same thing with my call. Posted my bio and everything. Once, I removed my biography and email from this site, I immediately surfed to eham and noticed they were gone from there.

[W0UZR]

AND,,,it appears that eham did all this without QRZ's knowledge, my learned college man...

[ki4bgo]

I too checked eHam, and found my email address right there on the page, with my photo from QRZ! The QRZ profile says that removing the email address could be grounds for account termination, so I went BACK to eHam, and removed it from the profile that &quot;appeared&quot; over there... Funny part is where (on the eHam profile page) it says &quot;we want your permission&quot;....? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif ...Looks like they didn't want it TOO badly! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[W0UZR]

WHATT??
Grounds for termanitation if I remove my Email Ad??

Ok,,I'll take your word for it, I didn't check it out. But,,

If that's the case,,Then izzn't time Fred or someone explained that??

And I got an email. Check this out...

# # #=============
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
From: ken.tobin@lmco.com #Add to Address Book
To: kb0uzr@yahoo.com
Subject: #read it immediatelly
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:25:30 -0700

# #
your job? (I found that)


#Attachment # #

death.pif
.pif file

Scan and Download Attachment
Scan and Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I have corresponded with a Ken, and I thought it was him. Evedintly this is a different #Ken. #And opened the attachment and the antivirus said that there was a virus.

So I figure this joker saw my Email on eham. Cause this is the only place I have my Email ad from Yahoo listed.

So If I can't take off my Email without getting terminated, then I guess they are going to have to terminate me...

It's better than loosing my computer with people trying to spread virus's...

&quot;Edit&quot; #(Update)

PS I just took out my Email ad, and I didn't see where it said &quot;Grounds for Termination.&quot;

[W0UZR]

~~***UPDATE***~~

So far I got 3 emails and all 3 had attachments. And they were from people I don't know, and

All 3 had viruses!! #I click on the attachment and the yahoo antivirus says #

<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>***WARNING***
# VIRUS FOUND!!</span></span>

And said that I could not open attachment and that.
I'm real new to computers and have been stomping around out there for a year now, and that's the FIRST time I have seen a virus warning of any kind. (I always wondered what those looked like)

And the Last Email I got was this,,,

# #==================

From: &quot;PAUL OSAGIE&quot; &lt;posagie2@fsmail.net&gt; #Add to Address Book
To: kb0uzr@yahoo.com
Subject: #OFFER AND ASSISTANCE
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:49:26 +0200

# #
Goodday,
My name is Paul Osagie a staff of the STANDARD
TRUST BANK . As one of the auditors of the bank, I
discovered an account with the sum of
US$17.400,000.00.(Seventeen million four hundred thousand US
dollars) that has been abandoned and unserviced
for more than ten years belonging to one of our
customer. Our banking law stipulates that if such
account remaim unserviced and the fund unclaimed
for twelve years, the money will be confiscated
and go into the bank revenue as an unclaimed fund.
It is upon this discovering my colleaque and I
who knows about it decided to make our secret and
personal inquiries about the account owner
(depositor) and the next of kin, but sadly, he died with
his entire family in a plane crash in 1997. We
solicit that you stand as the next of kin so that
the money will be transfered to your account or
any other account you may provide for us. We
proposed that the money be shared as follows, 30% for
you, 70% for my colleaques and I.
please, could you urgently notify me of your
acceptance to assist in this trasaction, I shall
inturn provide you with all necessary information
about the account and the modalities for a formal
application to secure the claim and the immediate
transfer of the fund to your account or any other
account you may provide for us.
I believe you do understand the confidential
nature of this transaction and hope you will be
honest and trustworthy in this transaction. I await
your reply.
Best regards,
Paul Osagie #

# #================

So,,,Do I think that the Email adderess that is in the open in Eham.com is having an affect on spamers, people out for a scam, and viruses??

Since I only have my yahoo email listed here and no where else,,,

WHAT DO YOU THINK I WOULD SAY TO THAT QUESTION ??

Fred or Glen, could you fellas do something about this?

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ July 03 2004,10:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So,,,Do I think that the Email adderess that is in the open in Eham.com is having an affect on spamers, people out for a scam, and viruses??

Since I only have my yahoo email listed here and no where else,,,

WHAT DO YOU THINK I WOULD SAY TO THAT QUESTION ??

Fred or Glen, could you fellas do something about this?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Your email address is not &quot;in the clear&quot; on eham. Any conclusions that you draw from thinking that it is &quot;in the clear&quot; on eham are erroneous.

[kc5nyo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ June 21 2004)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">......... Cause this is the only place I have my Email ad from Yahoo listed.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You'd be surprised at the other places where you &quot;didn't&quot; leave your addy &quot;in the clear.&quot;

http://tinyurl.com/2bkyd

http://tinyurl.com/22g4n

[KB1GYQ]

They are producing the email address display with individual gifs for each letters; it can be scanned by robot with a minor change to the bot!! AND!!! they appear to be requiring a valid email address! I just tried to removed mine (it was out of date anyway) and it says </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We just generated and sent an email to NO@SPAM.COM.
A link in this email will allow you to fully activate your account.
In order to prevent abuse, eHam.net requires all users to enter a valid email address in order to fully activate their account. The email we just sent you contains a link which fully activates your account.

Until you verify your email and activate your account, you will be able to read content on the site, but not add content. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

CREEPS!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

(edit) Odd, the address displayed is not the one that they allow to be edited....



(2nd edit) now I cannot even delete my 'profile'!!! I've sent an email requesting that all my posts and data beyond the FCC's info be deleted!



(3rd edit) the email address displayed on EHAM is also coming from QRZ, and changes as soon as the QRZ one is changed. Since the QRZ site does not appear to have the email available in plain text, I can only assume that the database itself is shared; and further, since the way in which it is displayed at EHAM allows a modified bot to collect it, I am removing my address. I recommend others consider the same.

(4th edit) Glen, Fred.... what is going on here? To get the email address in a form that can be redisplayed, but is not the same one as comes off this server requires the raw data, or an OCR of the image you're producing.. Did the emails got sold?

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1KIX @ June 18 2004,15:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ummm... let me get this straight. We are whining over information that is already available freely?

Site wars again?

Geez, maybe we should argue about code again? Some people just need something to whine about.

Jonathan[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It not an issue of where public information is posted... A while back we, the amateur radio community, that freely posted equiptment reviews, etc to eham were denied to ablity to freely read what we had posted. It's an issue of trust.

[W0UZR]

Daaa,,,I don't know what to say now.
Google has my adderess plastered all over the place, like if I was one of the people that run the thing.

QTH, it's there too...

So much for confidentiality....

But I didn't start getting all this virus and scam thing until Eham put my adderess in the open. Steve says that it isn't, but last time I looked myself up, my adderess is right there on the page.

Yah, you can't click on it, can't copy and past it on a message, but it's there in the open.

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So much for confidentiality....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

No such thing on the net...

My complaint is when the info gets bought and sold - for the sole purpose of sent me more junk; -or- worse yet (and it does happen often) using my address as a spoofed &quot;from&quot; on spam!

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 03 2004,17:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are producing the email address display with individual gifs for each letters; it can be scanned by robot with a minor change to the bot!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The image generated on qrz can be read by a modified bot as well.

However, if they are going to go to that much trouble, there is almost no way to keep them grabbing addresses.

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ke4pjw @ July 05 2004,13:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 03 2004,17:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are producing the email address display with individual gifs for each letters; it can be scanned by robot with a minor change to the bot!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The image generated on qrz can be read by a modified bot as well.

However, if they are going to go to that much trouble, there is almost no way to keep them grabbing addresses.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
QRZ's method requires use of OCR on the one gif; EHAM's method can be directly read in text - it is using one gif per letter, named with the letter: n.gif, o.gif, @.gif, s.gif, p.gif, a.gif, m.gif

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 04 2004,11:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ke4pjw @ July 05 2004,13:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ July 03 2004,17:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are producing the email address display with individual gifs for each letters; it can be scanned by robot with a minor change to the bot!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The image generated on qrz can be read by a modified bot as well.

However, if they are going to go to that much trouble, there is almost no way to keep them grabbing addresses.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
QRZ's method requires use of OCR on the one gif; EHAM's method can be directly read in text - it is using one gif per letter, named with the letter: n.gif, o.gif, @.gif, s.gif, p.gif, a.gif, m.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Both are equally as trivial.