Unlicensed operators

I have noticed that it is easy for anyone to enter what may be bogus info on the QRZ callsign database. While browsing on the site I cam accross a call VK8NT and I was curious, so, I checked with the ACA site (Aust. Communications Authority) website and they show that call as not allocated. No call books dating back 10 years show that call as ever being issued. How can this be allowed to be left on the QRZ site. Just curious. 73's..great Site. Gary. VK2NW
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Gary,

We do something here at QRZ that many people might call idealistic, maybe even foolish. #We trust people to do the right thing. #Why? #Well, it's because it's too expensive to do anything else. #

When a new callsign comes into QRZ, the most it gets from our editors is the quick once-over to see if it makes sense. #In other words, if it looks like a callsign and the accompanying info looks legitimate then we let it go into the database.

How else could it be done? #We get several dozen new callsigns every day. #So far, nobody has volunteered to look up each new callsign entry for verification. #I can't blame them. #It sounds like about as much fun as washing dishes. #In addition, we don't have a callbook that lists every callsign in the world, in fact, no such book exists.

There is no practical way for us to verify incoming callsigns. #If anybody can think of one that doesn't require human intervention, please let us know. #In the meantime, we're just going to trust people to do the right thing. #After all, it's just a hobby. #We will remove fake callsigns if we can be reasonably convinced that they're fake.

P.S. #Should I remove the VK8NT callsign record based solely on your observation? #There's a famous legal quote that goes "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". #In other words, just because you didn't find the callsign, it doesn't absolutely mean that it's a fake. #Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

73, #-fred #AA7BQ

[KC2JCA]

I'm sure Terry will be quite surprised he doesn't exist. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.qsl.net/143025/vk8nt/vk8nt.htm



73, Jim - kc2jca

[KA2LIM]

Perked my curisoity.. VK8NT shows up on QRZ site, no show on the Austrilan site, no show on the eham.com site, shows on the buck.com site. has an email address listed for vk8nt@aol.com

interesting !! Who's right and who's wrong ?? I suppect he is li-git..

[WA4MJF]

I don't know how th Aussies work, but you can have a ticket and not be in the FCC data base here in the USA.

We had a ham we were supicious of around here and he did not show up, come to find out he was bein'
seriously harrassed by his ex-XYL and got a court order to
have it removed for his protection. #Also, hams whose
tickets have expired and are fightin' in the court system
(KV4FZ) comes to mind do not show up.

Also, ham calls that are issued by DOD #and not the
FCC do not show up. #The FEMA #callsigns
KF#EMA don't show up either. #I don't know if we can
surmize that other ham calls issued by NITA do not show up either.

Some agencies, such as DOT don't even use ham calls
in the ham bands. #Well, they do have K4CG at HQ,
(which is listed in #the data base) but the others just use CAMSLANT Chesapeake, or Coast Guard
Miami, etc

Does anyone know?

73 de Ronnie

[emptysky1]

oh well in a perfect world with all of our safegaurds rules etc......... well if your are not legit well. How about the legit ones. who are real jerks....... does licensing take care of that. does policing and taxes(to get your license) and all the overhead stop this...... no....... WOW he is not in the database.......................He must be..............illegal. oh no...... what shall we do? pass more restrictions? You people make me sick with you Adolf Hilter thoughts........ Some people are on the fringe......so much for inspiration. So much for new thoughts and those who go against the grain....

[AA4II]

FYI,

He shows up on my Amateur Radio Callbook 2000 cd. So I'd say he's legal, as far as I can tell. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73 Rick

[jo0001]

I have also looked at the ACA records and they show no call and the Australian Communications Authority is very accurate at keeping their records... and if the database says there is no call issued then you can believe it as I know from first hand being in Australia as a visitor and experiencing first-hand myself the workings of the ACA.

[KC2JCA]

Excellent, someone mentioned Hitler. Why is it the fella's that could care less about rules and regulations always call those who wish people were more respectful towards rules and regs Hitler? Ho-hum.

I'm kinda upset that there is a law I can't shoot freebanders in the head. I think I'll disregard that law because I don't think it should exist.

73, Jim - kc2jca

[kc6ufe]

I say trust everyone and let God sort'em out.

[W4FBI]

[B]Member Name: Neville W Thomas (Terry)
Location: Glengowrie S.A.--Jacksonville FL.
Sex: Male
Marital Status: M
Hobbies: Radio..Computers
Occupation: Tech....Driver
This is a copy from AOL's member page, says he is living in Jacksonville, FL and the Glengowire S.A. is his mothers Address, I sent him a e-mail so may be he will drop by and post. Hugh kg4rgy ( me I am new to this )

[kc9l]

Actually he mentioned HILTER... don't know anybody named Hilter, but this Adolf's not in the FCC database so I don't think he's legit.

[VK4JAM]

I might be a little slow but "Core Carriers, Inc. #General Office: P.O. Box 26396 Jacksonville, FL 32226" does not look like an Australian address.... and the Australian Communications Authority (the FCC equivalent down under) do have an accurate data base.

I suggest that if he looks like a pirate ... perhaps he is a pirate !!!

[kc0kih]

I,ve had some call signs that didn't come up on qrz,but have found them on other call books.I don't show up everywhere and i'm legal.

[Phineas]

I cant tell you how many times being a new HAM someone on HF has called me a bootlegger. most of these people dont even own a computer. I even had a confrontation with a guy that just had to see my license. Well, on the FCC database, I show up as a general, but my license says tech...lol This is a hobby people. Unless we know for sure some one is illegal beyond a shadow of a doubt, slander and personal attacks are dangerous. Especially since the callsign system is not perfect. I am not on any "bootleggers" side, but every person has a right to a fair judgement.

As far as I am concern, if the callsign shows up somewhere, and the person is not the cause of harmful or malicious interference, why bother. I do most of my playing radio while in the car and cant look up people like a person sitting at home. Half of the time, I get callsigns wrong...lol.

Phineas
KC0LSC

[K4RAP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Phineas @ Feb. 12 2002,05:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As far as I am concern, if the callsign shows up somewhere, and the person is not the cause of harmful or malicious interference, why bother.

Phineas
KC0LSC[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In the absence of further information, I tend to agree with Phineas (but Terry should quit operating until he gets his license status cleared up). #Terry is being quite bold about his operation, and is willing to show pictures of himself and his truck.

Since the call existed in 2000, my guess is that Terry relocated to the US and allowed his call to expire. #If Terry has adopted the US as his home, this might be a good time for him to apply for a US license.

[aonalist]

WOW once again, the rf nazi's have poked a stick at the hornets nest. I also agree with phineas, dom we not have anything better to do to serve mankind, than find fault with everything in life. Instead of finding all the illegals on the air , go elmer a few people and help them get their "legal" status and get licensed.

[kc6ufe]

He said 'Adolf Hilter', not 'Hitler'. Mr. Hilter was a famous radio cop of the 1890's, felt it was all important to verify callsigns before any qsl cards were sent. His dying wish was that somehow all freebanders be licensed and brought into the fold.
from: little known radio facts and figments.

[KD4DCY]

"After all, it's just a hobby," #says QRZ. #Somehow, I think maybe Riley Hollingsworth might disagree. #The FCC has historically taken a dim view of unlicensed operation, and bootleggers often end up with a whole new "hobby" -- making license plates. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

# # Scott

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd4dcy @ Feb. 12 2002,12:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"After all, it's just a hobby," #says QRZ. #Somehow, I think maybe Riley Hollingsworth might disagree. #The FCC has historically taken a dim view of unlicensed operation, and bootleggers often end up with a whole new "hobby" -- making license plates. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

# # Scott[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


Do you think they cringe each time they have to stamp out a Vanity Plate that says Amateur Radio Operator across the bottom?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Jim - kc2jca

[AA7BQ]

Let's keep it in context. #My remark, "After all, it's just a hobby..." refers not to the illegal operators but to QRZ's responsibility to the integrity of its database.

I see a lot of amateurs here preaching hellfire and brimstone regarding all sorts of things and it often makes me think that if ham radio is what these guys do for fun then I'd hate to see them at work...

Yes, this is a (lightly) regulated hobby, but a hobby nonetheless. #Some guys are way too serious about a lot of things having to do with it. #Breaking the law is a bad idea, and I wouldn't have anything to do with it. #A day doesn't go by, however, in which I don't witness someone breaking the law somewhere. #I keep my blood pressure low by not worrying about them and instead taking care of myself. #It's a bummer that this is a self policing hobby because that means that we encourage a bunch of wanna-be police officers in our ranks. #Imagine if your local highway patrol were replaced by a self-policing citizenship. #"Lock and load Momma #'cause I'm headed for the grocery store!".


My definition of a hobby includes the word fun in it. How about yours? #Are other people having fun at your expense? #Hmmm, there are a lot of other hobbies you know...

We do the best we can to make sure that the QRZ database and websites contains correct info, but, if it doesn't then, it is just a hobby. #I worry about things such as why the Canadian pairs figure skating team got screwed out of a gold medal a lot more than I do about an occasional "slim" getting into the QRZ database. #Hey, nobody has to tell me to "get a life" because I already have a pretty darn nice one.

-fred

[K2WH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (vk2nw @ Feb. 06 2002,05:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have noticed that it is easy for anyone to enter what may be bogus info on the QRZ callsign database. While browsing on the site I cam accross a call VK8NT and I was curious, so, I checked with the ACA site (Aust. Communications Authority) website and they show that call as not allocated. No call books dating back 10 years show that call as ever being issued. How can this be allowed to be left on the QRZ site. Just curious. 73's..great Site. Gary. VK2NW
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Gary,

We do something here at QRZ that many people might call idealistic, maybe even foolish. #We trust people to do the right thing. #Why? #Well, it's because it's too expensive to do anything else. #

When a new callsign comes into QRZ, the most it gets from our editors is the quick once-over to see if it makes sense. #In other words, if it looks like a callsign and the accompanying info looks legitimate then we let it go into the database.

How else could it be done? #We get several dozen new callsigns every day. #So far, nobody has volunteered to look up each new callsign entry for verification. #I can't blame them. #It sounds like about as much fun as washing dishes. #In addition, we don't have a callbook that lists every callsign in the world, in fact, no such book exists.

There is no practical way for us to verify incoming callsigns. #If anybody can think of one that doesn't require human intervention, please let us know. #In the meantime, we're just going to trust people to do the right thing. #After all, it's just a hobby. #We will remove fake callsigns if we can be reasonably convinced that they're fake.

P.S. #Should I remove the VK8NT callsign record based solely on your observation? #There's a famous legal quote that goes "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". #In other words, just because you didn't find the callsign, it doesn't absolutely mean that it's a fake. #Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

73, #-fred #AA7BQ[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I found him listed as such:

N W Thomas, VK8NT
11 Joan Avenue, Glengowrie
SA 5044 #
AUSTRALIA

Class:

Previous Call: Previous Class:

Process Date: 11-09-2000

QSL Manager:
# # #E-Mail: vk8nt@aol.com
# #Web Site:
# #(Double-click the e-mail address or web site)

# Latitude: 27.35 S # # Longitude: 151.7166 E
# Distance: 9666.5 miles # # Heading: 275.3
Grid Square: QG52up # # Time Zone:
# # #County:

Now, don't you feel foolish? #Besides, even if the call is or was bogus, who cares. #It doesn't mean squat here, this is not ON THE AIR. It is on the internet.

[jxs2151]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC2JCA @ Feb. 12 2002,04<!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Excellent, someone mentioned Hitler. Why is it the fella's that could care less about rules and regulations always call those who wish people were more respectful towards rules and regs Hitler? Ho-hum.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Godwin's Law

/prov./ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jxs2151 @ Feb. 12 2002,18:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I have noticed that, since Usenet has become pretty much overrun by flamers, trolls and meowers, some of the more insecure wannabe flamers have moved onto private message boards.

I assume it's because they feel less pressure to be as creatively pathetic so as to be noticed. On Usenet, you have to be pretty darned good at Usenet Performance Art to even get a rise out of people these days.

On these private message boards there are plenty of virgins just waiting to be trolled into a grand flame-fest.

I'm particularly fond of the Licensed versus Unlicensed flames such as we have growing here. I say embrace those who would be freebanders, loan them the $6 to apply for their license.

(Do you remember when the FCC used to charge $5 for the Citizen Band License? Funny how $5 can keep all the riff-raff out of a hobby, ain't it?) #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


73, Jim - kc2jca

[W4FBI]

I was reading all the Replys and touugh I would try to look this guy up on the Australian site: well after a lot of work I found it & and if you want to look here it is:
http://www.aca.gov.au/database/radcomm/index.htm
Well it says there is no VK8NT well I went a step more, I wrote to a link to the off of the Australina ham watch and they said there is no call matching VK8NT and that call has not ben Issued http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif? So by what the FCC of Australian hams say. its not a real call. you have the link now to the Australian FCC ( well they are not called fcc ) but I am new to this my self and though I would try to find out as much as I can. I wrote the guy at VK8NT@aol.com and he has a valid e-mail address and told him what was posted about him on QRZ but I see he has not posted or return my e-mail. so this is what got me to look for the Australian fcc. and they say there is NO VK8NT, Hugh KG4RGY

[K7PIG]

Someone show me a document, a rule number, a regulation, a law that requires me to know the radio operator at the distant end is legally licensed?
If he has no license, he has the problem with the authorities when caught, not you or I.
Until I see a document that we licensed hams must check his callsign before we talk to him, forget it, your wasting time.
Someone mentioned, HONESTY, very true.

After reading about the VK call being not issued to a rightful licensee, here is one for you.

I am finding many Extra class operators who do not know a thing about wiring up a microphone, this is a fact. I restore old microphones, many Extra class should know how to wire up a Mic at least. I don't know everything about all the new stuff on the market and some of the old stuff either. What a shocking surprise in this world of Amateur Radio we live in today, I am told that many of the Extra class operators are buying their license with good old hard CASH, what a crying shame. Being the code is down to 5 WPM now, and the theory can be memoed, and how much are (SOME) VE's collecting cash for supplying information for the exams. Let me make it straight, NOT ALL VE's are in that class. I hope FCC will follow and catch those who are. If it keeps up, the Ham's will be heading back to 11 meters to get away from the trash.
I have a sugestion for those who wish to do something about cleaning up the Ham Bands. "WE SET AN EXAMPLE ACCORDING TO FCC REG'S AND POLICIES FOR GOOD OPERATION WITH RESPECT TOWARD ONE ANOTHER". Let it begin with me.

Jimmie Fox K7JAD
Portland, Oregon

[ke4pjw]

Interesting. I worked KC4AAA the other night. Yes, they have an entry here on QRZ, but no, they do not seem to be in the _Public_ FCC database.

I'm sure KC4AAA is legit. Why should I think otherwise?

[WA4MJF]

KC4AAA-AAF and KC4USA-USZ are issued by DOD
( Dept of Navy action agency for this block I
think) to U S personnel in Anartica.

FWIW, I had a real idiot EMail me privately that DOD
does not issue hamcalls. They do!
KA2xx-KA0xx to troops in Japan and KG4xx
to personnel in GITMO are two more examples.
CO at GITMO usually gives you your initials for
your suffix.


73 de Ronnie

[ab9dz]

By the way, I don't think its illegal to post a false call sign on a website is it?

[W6CSP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wallyw7sns @ Feb. 13 2002,04http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Someone show me a document, a rule number, a regulation, a law that requires me to know the radio operator at the distant end is legally licensed?
If he has no license, he has the problem with the authorities when caught, not you or I.
Until I see a document that we licensed hams must check his callsign before we talk to him, forget it, your wasting time.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I believe these are the appropriate sections:
"§97.5 Station license grant required.
(a) The station apparatus must be under the physical control of a person named in an amateur station license grant on the ULS consolidated license database or a person authorized for alien reciprocal operation by §97.107 of this part, before the station may transmit on any amateur service frequency....."
and
"§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
(1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this Part;"

The rules require the equipment to be under the control of "a person named in an amateur station license grant...". Therefore equipment operation by a person NOT so named is prohibited by rule of law. #That prohibition is then covered under 97.113(a)(1).
While the rules do not require us to verify a call BEFORE we make a contact, we MUST terminate the contact if we come to believe the other station is in violation.

As I understand it, this was one of the reasons for publishing call books on paper way back when and why ARRL published it's table of most recently issued calls. #Between these two sources, you could make some educated judgement as to the validity of the call. #Although many of us persue membership in the Amateur Radio Service as a "hobby", we are expected to be self policing, such that the identification of a possible pirate operator is completely within the scope of the hobby.

I don't know what prompted Gary to check out the call in the first place, but does that really matter? #The current evidence points toward the discovery of a pirate call. A pirate that works for the same carrier as at least two other hams (KB2TUQ & N4OUG). #(Wonder if they have ever seen his 'ticket'<!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. #Anyway, I digress... # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Given we can not, even in this ever quickening electronic age, verify the authenticity of every call sign before we key the mike. #We can, and by law must, take note when a pirate call is identified and refrain from contacts with that station until it legitimizes itself. #We are a nation and world of rules and laws, when we forsake those rules and laws, or decide that each of us may pick and chose how to comply, we begin a slide down a slippery slope toward anarchy. #Democracy is not about individual choice reagarding what laws we will comply with and what laws we will not. #It is about having a voice in the rule/law making process.

Like it or not, one set of those rules (i.e. Part 97) require certain behavior from us, including policing ourselves. #Helping sites like QRZ weed out possible pirate calls aids in preventing that pirate from the appearance of legitamacy and is a service to all.

To close, I honestly hope Mr. Thomas receives and responds to the emails sent to him regarding his call and that he is able to clear up the confusion and legitimize his callsign. #If he doesn't (or can't) then it may also be a lesson to all of us as to the ease of creating a pirate call and getting it to be accepted as legitamate #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

73 and catch ya all down the log,

Ralph (W6CSP)

[VK6EN]

I can confirm the acuracy of the Australian Communications Authority on line (realtime) database http://www.aca.gov.au/database/radcomm/licence.htm
I have recently renewed my licence after a 15 year break and unless a VK is on this database his licence is not current. However an check can be made of the name, as each VK amateur has separate ACA client number to see if a person has not renewed or has relocated (there are 203 Thomas' registered and none that directly match what seems to be the fictitious VK8NT in the Nothern Territory of Australia. South Australia issues VK5 Licences by the way so the previous post is probably not accurate.
Since qrz.com has been going only a short time on balance it would seem VK8NT is not legit and the only way it could be legit is if it has recently expired however the name would still be on the database with a renewal notice in place of the callsign.
My own experience has been with a pirate using my callsign, which he told me he was doing (otherwise I would have never known) I let him now I wasn't too happy but he was an enthusiatic newcomer and I helped him where I could, he is now licenced (I checked I just didn't take his world for it). Illegally using the ham bands must be one of the easiest things in the world to get away with especially here in VK as the ACA only work office hours and when they do try to take a law breaker to court the effort required and the weak sanctions act as a real disincentive for the bureaucracy to act. So any effort to identify illegal operations should be applauded. Anyway why bother with a dodgy call sign when any VK with a 2 letter (unrestricted) callsign can just go to the FCC and get a reciprical US callsign.
My advice to pirates is pick a third world callsign and fake an accent
VK8NT is here
http://www.3922group.com/pic7.html
and here
http://www.qsl.net/143025/vk8nt/vk8nt.htm

hmmmmm.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif To the folks at QRZ, I sincerely hope you do not feel I was questioning YOUR integrity when I posted my comments on illegal operators.

I was, and still am, curious to see if there is a way to provide QRZ verification of database information that we provide when the call sign is from another country. I have for example my Australian licence and it is possible to provide QRZ with the ACA site address plus the formal licence number which is not the actual call sign.

In any event, I check the site everyday and it is the best site for me to get all the latest information.

Sorry if you did not approve of my inquiry.

73's
Gary
VK2NW http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[W5KRM]

Gary,

Well, I can understand your concern, but I have to agree with Glen. You have to "trust" individuals to do the right thing, during a time when we seem to be doing less of that.

However, I have encountered some calls that aren't in any databases which I cannot explain, but which are legitimate calls. Sometimes, they just fall into a "black hole" somewhere. I wouldn't be too concerned.
Chris
GL and 73

[aa4pc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (emptysky1 @ Feb. 11 2002,18:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh well in a perfect world with all of our safegaurds rules etc......... well if your are not legit well. How about the legit ones. who are real jerks....... does licensing take care of that. does policing and taxes(to get your license) and all the overhead stop this...... no....... WOW he is not in the database.......................He must be..............illegal. oh no...... what shall we do? pass more restrictions? You people make me sick with you Adolf Hilter thoughts........ Some people are on the fringe......so much for inspiration. So much for new thoughts and those who go against the grain....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You sound like a freebander, but that's only my opinion.

I have a headache from your poorly formed sentences and your improper use of ellipses. If you want to use the language, and do so effectively, punctuate your terrible use of English properly! (Look up ellipsis in the English books).

And no, I'm not Adolph, and you probably have no clue as to who Adolph Hitler was and what he did. Until you know, don't compare people with a stricter view of the rules than you of being like Hitler. The only two people I know of that are alive today that are like Hitler are Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Let's start figuring out what is right in Ham Radio and promote that instead of infighting over who might be in the callbook or not and why.

My two cents worth. #And I am thankful that we can disagree in an open forum.

I still suggest though that you not compare others to Hitler. They might take offense, they could be of the Hebrew Faith or any one of a number of groups that Hitler tried to destroy.

Jack
W4HTX

Quit your cryin, so what he put in a invalid call, if he want's to use it and get fined, than let um!

[KB9VSB]

Personaly I would prefer not to show up on any web site QRZ included . If I have a QSO with some one and they don't believe I have a valid license Thats there problem ,unless they are the F.C.C. it is not their job to enforce the rules. Also Government records are not always acurate either ,two years ago my taxes were with held for child support for my daughter whom has lived with me(and my wife) since the day she was born.I don't like the Idea of my address, latitude and longitude, and license info showing up on a web site when I never supplied the information in the first place. And wwith all the whining going on on this website I am ready to burn my ham license and go back to the Citizens Band! And as far as the comment about shooting the freebanders , I suggest you don't miss! they might just shoot back!speaking of free, When will this country actually become free?

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 16 2002,11:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Personaly I would prefer not to show up on any web site QRZ included . If I have a QSO with some one and they don't believe I have a valid license Thats there problem ,unless they are the F.C.C. it is not their job to enforce the rules. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

So, if you see someone beating and raping someone, you feel it is not your job to alert the police? They should be able to get away with that because no law enforcement personnel actually witnessed anything?


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 16 2002,11:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also Government records are not always acurate either ,two years ago my taxes were with held for child support for my daughter whom has lived with me(and my wife) since the day she was born.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You have valid channels of correction if you feel something has been done in error to you personally. Assuming that everyone is the victim of inaccurate government records could be devastating. Most people are truly guilty of things they claim to be innocent of, just ask anyone in prison.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 16 2002,11:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't like the Idea of my address, latitude and longitude, and license info showing up on a web site when I never supplied the information in the first place.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You supplied it to the FCC. Did you think the records just showed up here as if by magic?




</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 16 2002,11:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> And wwith all the whining going on on this website I am ready to burn my ham license and go back to #the Citizens Band![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Bye. Too bad you didn't do anything to make ham radio any better than you've let it become by turning your back on the evil ones.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 16 2002,11:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> And as far as the comment about shooting the freebanders , I suggest you don't miss! they might just shoot back!speaking of free, When will this country actually become free?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It is free. What type of freedom were you looking for? Maybe you feel you need to be able to loot the local grocery? When you talk about being free, are you wishing you had the freedom to to break any law you so desire without consequence?

If so, how long do you think you would last?
Your neighbor has been wanting to kill you for quite some time, and the laws you hate are keeping him from doing so.

Prison, by the way, is a good example of a lack of freedom. Of course, if you hate the oppressive society we have here in the USA, you are always welcome to move to a more free society, like Afghanistan.

You aren't female are you?


73, Jim - kc2jca

[W1WA]

Really my ham friends.....who gives a "crap"!
73,
W1WA
PS: Get real .. its "Amateur Radio Service" this should tell you something !..

[W1WA]

Really my ham friends.....who gives a "crap"!
73,
W1WA
PS: Get real .. its "Amateur Radio Service" this should tell you something !..

[kd5mpm]

Asinie idiotic comments as above (I'd like to shoot freebanders in the head) are great examples of AmeriKKKan Media-driven drivel thought processes.
Having said that, let me drive this salient point home: the Pirate/Freeband VIOLENT HIGHJACKING of FEDERAL/GOVERNMENTAL frequencies is NOT going to be solved except through a UNITED NATIONS world-wide Military Action. This is NOT, I repead, IS NOT sorely a U.S.A. problem; Sirs, this Cancer is World Wide! To our South, the Taxi Services utilise 27 Mcs. to conduct business, the whole thing is GLOBAL! It is a phenonomyn of MEDIA-INSPIRED TOTAL DISDAIN for RULES & REGULATIONS, spread throughout the entire world FROM Hollywood, and the Television Production Moguls in New York City. We, as LICENSED AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS better HOPE & PRAY the problem is ALLOWED to REMAIN, and kept where it is, tolerated. Otherwise, if and when the UN GOONS go on RADIO CONFISCATION MANEUVOURS, WORLD-WIDE, they will take EVERYBODY'S RADIOS! You bet, kiddo, the UN wants a WORLD FIT fOR THEIR OWN BRAND of "World Governance" ie: TOTALARISM. Despots Loathe Freedom of Speech. Repeat that slogan over and over until you see its true meaning. HAM RADIO=FREE COMMUNICATIONS WORLD-WIDE. Outside of JAMMING, ham radio CANNOT BE, NOR SHALL EVER BE subject to CENSORSHIP by despotic governmental entities.

[kd5mpm]

Jim, HersheyKisses=wrote:




Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 16 2002,11:31)
And as far as the comment about shooting the freebanders , I suggest you don't miss! they might just shoot back!speaking of free, When will this country actually become free?


It is free. What type of freedom were you looking for? Maybe you feel you need to be able to loot the local grocery? When you talk about being free, are you wishing you had the freedom to to break any law you so desire without consequence?

Do you REALLY think this country is "free?' When the GOVERNMENT makes you PAY RENT for land you OWN, (property taxes,) and has the RIGHT to CONFISCATE your property "just because they want it?" (imminent domain.) And where being 'poor' is being CRIMINALISED, all over AmeriKKKa? Where YOUR RIGHT to buy & sell is dependent on your willingness to ACCEPT A UNIQUE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER, and SUBMIT to a FACE-SCAN PHOTO & COMPUTER CHIP in your Driver License, which can be READ ANYWHERE ON EARTH from orbiting satellites? And is AmeriKKKa REALLY free when the ENVIRO-GOONS are authorised by Presidental Fiat (under Bill Clinton' administration) to CANVASS EVERY SQUARE INCH of AMERICA in search of ENDANGERED SPECIES, and, when new species are located, the GOVERNMENT has he AUTHORITY to declare YOUR PROPERTY a "SAFE-ONE' and DENY YOU ALL RIGHTS OF OWNERSHIP? We are still a Great Nation, but NO LONGER a 'Free' nation. The cancer of Globalism has been eating at the Constitution since the days of FDR, the War-monger and War-criminal de facto, who "set-up" a "compelling event" to coherice the American Public into a war we were totally against, World War 2, for the benefit of Joseph Stalin, Red Communism, and I.B. Farbin, Prescott Bush, et al. The decline and fall of the United States of America, when written by some future author, will present these exact points. For the sake of brevity, I am leaving out much, but those of you whose learning and studies are dependant on 'the Learning Channel" or "the Readers Digest History of the World" are totally duped and hogswaddled by the 'Masters of Deciet" J. Edger Hoover warned us of in his 1954 book, which by the way, was a SCHOOL TEXT BOOK during my schooling days, we were ACTUALLY taught CIVICS in school, as opposed to the PRESENT trend to teach INCIVILITY and "Situational Ethics" and "Relative Morality."
Yes, there is dearly little freedom left, but I fully utilise THIS freedom, now, for it shant be long afore CRITIZISM of the POWERFUL POWERS in POWER will be UNLAWFUL.
When the Act of Presenting the Truth becomes a Crime, then I shall choose to be a Criminal- (the mysterious oracle.)

[KG4RYT]

I DON'T USE MY CALL SIGN ON THE INTERNET. I BELEIVE I JUST HAVE TO ON THE AIR.
73'S JIM

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5mpm @ Feb. 18 2002,02:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you REALLY think this country is "free?'[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Could you whine a little louder? Funny thing is, I don't see anything difficult about being an American at all. Boo-hoo you have to fill out some forms so you can run a business. Lucky thing you get the chance to run a business. Boo-hoo you have to put your picture on your driver's license. Lucky thing you get to have a driver's license.

You see, you get a whole bunch of priviledges being in America that you can't get anywhere else, but you think you have a right to have these things just handed to you on a platter.

No doubt you're one of the people who supports the No Code Coalition and would like to just have an Extra Class license mailed to you because you know how to use a PTT button.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

If you feel that America is too oppressive for you, the boats sail out of the harbor, just the same as they sail in.


73, Jim - kc2jca

[KB9VSB]

Mr. Jim KC2JCA, With only a tech class license I wouldn't think "Freebanders" would realy be a problem for you since you don't have ten meter privelages Unless of course you have recently passed the 5 word per miniute test. and how would you be anoyed by the free banders unless you have spent alot of time arguing with the alpha-tango group say some where around 27.555 Mhz Obviously you have spent some time there to be irritated by them. And yes you are right we are free-er than most unless you are lets say below the middle class and can't afford to pay taxes to support the polititions lawyers. but I guess my income is an indication of my intelligance level right? And there is a big difference between some one Trying to chat with some one around the world on a radio that is only illegal becausu Galaxy,or President Corp. refuses to line the F.C.C.'s pockets and some one raping or looting something don't you think? I do agree there needs to be Law and order but There shouldn't be all those above those laws like the officials that we all know loot from us tax payers every day to pay for their lawyers and send aid to countries that bomb our buildings. But such as Life. 73's KB9VSB

[kf4wwm]

bootlegers are a big problem but there are also some licensed hams that cause problems also and they are not just low code extras.I have put alot of time and hard work into getting my license and I am proud to have it. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of good amateur operators on the band but there are some who cause interferance to other amateurs your license class doesn't make you a good amateur operator you have to do that on you'r own.

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 19 2002,15:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mr. Jim KC2JCA, With only a tech class license I wouldn't think "Freebanders" would realy be a problem for you since you don't have ten meter privelages [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


I live in a drug free school zone. So I guess I shouldn't be concerned about drug traffikers either.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 19 2002,15:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Unless of course you have recently passed the 5 word per miniute test. and how would you be anoyed by the free banders unless you have spent alot of time arguing with the alpha-tango group say some where around 27.555 Mhz Obviously you have spent some time there to be irritated by them.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


Why do you assume, because I think someone should not operate outside the law, that I have had personal contact with them? I've never met any serial killers, but I'm pretty sure I don't want them running willy-nilly around my neighborhood.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 19 2002,15:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> And yes you are right we are free-er than most unless you are lets say below the middle class and can't afford to pay taxes to support the polititions lawyers. but I guess my income is an indication of my intelligance level right? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


You mean more than your spelling expertise?





</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 19 2002,15:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> And there is a big difference between some one Trying to chat with some one around the world on a radio that is only illegal becausu Galaxy,or President Corp. refuses to line the F.C.C.'s pockets and some one raping or looting something don't you think? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


No, I don't. If you have a problem understanding the difference between right and wrong, that is a large indicator of more internal psychological problems about to rear their ugly heads!

What you've done is the same thing as most people, turned the blame for your illegal activities onto someone else, instead of taking responsibility for your own actions... "I only break the law, because Galaxy won't pay the FCC to change the law."

I suppose next you'll try to convince me that speed limits shuold only be suggested operating speeds, and that if you don't ever actually kill someone you should be able to drive as fast as you like on the roads in my neighborhood.

The funny thing is, it's people like yourself, who constantly believe living in a free society means you should have the right to break any law you see as unfit, who whine the loudest when they are caught and jailed.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 19 2002,15:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
I do agree there needs to be Law and order but There shouldn't be all those above those laws like the officials that we all know #loot from us tax payers every day to pay for their lawyers and send aid to countries that bomb our buildings. But such as Life. 73's KB9VSB[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


Well, you've learned to art of using buzzwords to get kneejerk reactions. So, two buildings get bombed in the last 300 years and you're off on a tangent.

And please mention the Federal Building in Oklahoma, so we can talk about how "American" the boys that destroyed that building were. Just a few of your good old boys out to prove that American Law sucks by killing hundreds of innocent people.

If your idea of living in a free society means living under the law of "Survival of the fittest", I certainly hope your rifle has a really good scope on it.


73, Jim - kc2jca

[KB9VSB]

Mr Jim, I haven't broken any laws first of all , secondly your spelling isn't 100 % either third yes my scope is right on so If I were like you and decide to take the law into my own hands and start capping freebanders(which I personally have nothing against) Believe me you would be the first to know.By the way should is spelled should not shuold.I don't own a Galaxy.And when the comander and chief lies in the court of law, and claims not to have inhailed I don't respect their idea of whats right and wrong but I don't Impose my opinnions on them either. But I guess I should ask my self why I would be telling you this you probibly are a politician and there fore politically perfect.By the way what exactly is your point anyway?

[W9SX]

It just seems to me whenever the subject on QRZ.com turns to "CB'ers" or "FreeBanders" or " Bootleggers" the flames really heat up. The reading here gets far more interesting than 14.275 or 3898 is to listen to. Hey Ham radio is a hobby (even if we do have a few comedy channels). One thing for sure though the freebanders are a world wide happening and are not likely to disappear. Just like Internet downloads (music, videos, software) anybody whining is in reality wasting their time. No "Big Brother" on this planet has the power to change this just like we seem unable to control poverty, wars, or crooked politicians. Post on and enjoy our free country. Enjoy your radio. If something you hear on there offends you, give the big knob in the middle a big twist and that audio will disappear.....

Tom W9SX

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If something you hear on there offends you, give the big knob in the middle a big twist and that audio will disappear.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I hope you're not standing next to me when I'm getting mugged. You might just stick your fingers in your ears, start humming really loud, and walk away.

Sorry, but ignoring trouble just seems sort of un-brotherly to me. Afterall look what happens when you ignore things that seem out of place:

Pearl Harbor
Kennedy Assasination
Twin Towers
XFL
Three Mile Island
Viet Nam


Nice way to be, "If you don't like the drug dealers moving into your neighborhood, you can always find a new neighborhood."


LOL! What a pathetic, scared life it must be to just only be able to shrug and run away from trouble.


But, hey, it's a free country.

73, Jim - kc2jca

[KB9VSB]

Mr Jim, KC2JCA you realy ought to get out of the big city for a while I think the stress is getting to you. Maybe you should relax, have a beer,Wiskey old fashion if you prefer, Smoke a big Phat Doobie and and stop watching Jerry Springer. Oh I'm sorry I forgot That herb thing isn't allowed but we are still free Though.Sorry pal Some of us( I can't speak for all) Let our conscious tell us right from wrong not our government.and as far as the mugging thing goes, I guess I would step in and get my ass kicked too even though I do not know you even though that would be breaking the law because the legal thing to do would be to notify the proper athorities. and you probibly know how much good that would do there in Jersey. I am sure the Law enforcement there would be "Johny on the spot" 73's

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9VSB @ Feb. 21 2002,00:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mr Jim, KC2JCA you realy ought to get out of the big city for a while I think the stress is getting to you.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


Don't live in the big city. Surrounded by beautiful pine trees, lakes and lot's of really great motorcycle riding roads.

But I'll add you to the number of closed minded people who believe New Jersey is a neighborhood in New York City.




</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Maybe you should relax,[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Cool as a cucumber.


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> #have a beer,[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Homebrewer, prefer a dark, but would love to brew something with tabasco.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wiskey old fashion if you prefer,[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Kahlua and Cream. Make the Kahlua myself too.


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Smoke a big Phat Doobie and and stop watching Jerry Springer. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


Gave up both of them, they both cause brain damage and make you stupid.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Oh I'm sorry I forgot That herb thing isn't allowed but we are still free Though.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Yep, you are free as a bird. You could get off your fat bum and move to California if you wanna smoke so much marijuana.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry pal Some of us( I can't speak for all) Let our conscious tell us right from wrong not our government.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


Yep, and with the lack of conscious the majority of the law breakers have, I'm not surprised they don't understand what's wrong with what they do.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> and as far as the mugging thing goes, I guess I would step in and get my ass kicked too even though I do not know you even though that would be breaking the law because the legal thing to do would be to notify the proper athorities. and you probibly know how much good that would do there in Jersey. I am sure the Law enforcement there would be "Johny on the spot" #73's[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


And twice in the same post you exhibited your lack of knowledge of the State of New Jersey.


73 to you too.

[N2RJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5mpm @ Feb. 17 2002,03:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Where YOUR RIGHT to buy & sell is dependent on your willingness to ACCEPT A UNIQUE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER, and SUBMIT to a FACE-SCAN PHOTO & COMPUTER CHIP in your Driver License, which can be READ ANYWHERE ON EARTH from orbiting satellites?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You should be thankful for that unique ID (Social Security Number), because if we didn't have that, every single person from Mexico and the third world would be jumping the border and taking all of our jobs. #I'm not talking about the piddly amount we have now, which is nothing really. #I am talking about them coming here EN MASSE, without any means to determine who is legit and who is not.

I am as uncomfortable as you are about privacy issues, but it's the better of two evils. #As long as there are dishonest people in this world, the Government has no choice but to keep track, I am afraid.

As a matter of fact, US citizens don't need a Social Security Number to work. The only people actually needing one to work are aliens authorized to work in the US. (green card/H1B etc) Take a look at www.cjmciver.org and his "Life without a social security number".

I keep reading that Amateur Radio is just a hobby. Last I checked I thought it was a public service. Does anyone really believe the FCC would spend thousands of dollars each year to maintain and control a hobby?? Maybe CB is a hobby. Maybe that is why the FCC doesn't issue license for it. But as for Amateur Radio I feel alot lot of folk don't take it serious enough. Ham radio in the historic past has always been on the cutting edge of technology. Because of many hams we have things like Televison, FM radio even some medical equipment was results of experiments of hams. And what about in times of disasters?? Hams have always been one of the first people on the seen to asist in communications. After the attacks of 9-11-2001 there where many report comming out of NYC where ham were pass health and welfare information to family and friends of people with our phone service. So a hobby I would say not. But a service I would agree in.

73,
Jamie R. Dean - KE4HTM

[KC2JCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I keep reading that Amateur Radio is just a hobby. Last I checked I thought it was a public service.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It's a hobby that provides a public service in times of need.


73, Jim - kc2jca

[kj5t]

The question here is he a fake? I think so,I looked up another call off the top of my head,VK2EE. The way his details were set up was totally different from VK8NT.

Is that enough proof? I don't think so;but then again if the ACA has no record well then proves my theory.

Someone said that the callbook 2000 had terrys call. That thows my ideas right out the window.

Now I am just confused I don't know what to believe;but I will say that if terry is a fake then next time we all should think twice next time we see a callsign we are curious about.

73
Steve

[KB3GHK]

Hmmm seems like KC2JCA has something smart to say about everything. #Even though he thinks that NJ isnt a suburb of NYC, he might think that North East PA is his personal vacation land! (I wish they would go back to NJ)
Anyhow, #I bascially despise anyone that frequents the 14.3025 truck drivers net, #they constantly QRM with a net that ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE.... the Maritime Mobile Service Net on 14.300 # I love it when their amplified truck rigs splatter all over emergency or important maritime traffic. I have heard a few of them 4-5kc off the center freq of 14.3025... #Also, about our pal Terry.... #Isnt there some sort of "residency and lic. expiration" like there is for Drivers Licenses? #I think you should be able to get to a VE session and take the tests or even get your lic. transferred if you are moving here in excess of say 120 days.... Does anyone else have a few opinions on this??

[GI7OMY]

I'm confused here - I started raeding this thread which seemed to start with someone with an unrecognised call appearing in the QRZ database.

OK - maybe he is unlicensed and hasn't taken the exam but I sort of gained the impression that everyone has flown off at a tangent and got well away from the point

The point is - does one require a pass in the Radio Amateur's Exam to post to or join an Internet site or database?

Has anyone actually HEARD him on air?

Daithi
GI7OMY

[kb0vvk]

The one hobby I know of where you half to jump through hoops to join in on.

[ME812]

Oh please, you all sound like a bunch of old women. Just think of all the time you have wasted here. Wouldn't you guys have rather been on the air shooting the breeze instead?

Todd

[n0zoa]

yea i agree with the rest of the comments, but i did find it interesting that that call and a couple of other australian calls dont have what class they are or when there ticket expires it almost looks like they dont have any restriction (sort of like CB) i hate saying cuss words on here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73 NØZOA

[VK6EN]

Just a quick note to regarding Australian Licencing conditions etc.

Required: an Amateur Operators Certificate of Proficiency (AOCP) is a lifetime issued certificate for passing a technical theory and regulations exam. I assure you all this is not a trivial exam and is not "CB". This is called a licence number by the ACA and has a licence category associated with it eg. Limited, novice etc. look up an ACA client to see his standing here

http://www.aca.gov.au/database/radcomm/client.htm

I have not seen an instance where the database does not give an expiry date or licence category an example would be helpful.

The reciprocal licence table for VK Licences in the US is here
http://www.aca.gov.au/publications/info/visit_tableA.htm

Reprinted below
United States of America Original licence granted before 15 April 2000
Amateur Extra Class operator = Unrestricted
Advanced Class operator = Unrestricted
General Class operator = Unrestricted
Technician Plus Class operator = Intermediate
Technician Class operator = Limited
Novice Class operator = Novice

Licences granted on or after 15 April 2000
Amateur Extra Class operator = Intermediate
Advanced Class operator = Intermediate
General Class operator = Intermediate
Technician Plus Class operator = Intermediate
Technician Class operator = Limited
Novice Class operator = Novice

Quick outline of our categories

Limited = Theory + Regs = VHF tech call = VK$T,U,X,Y,Z plus 2 letters

Unrestricted = above + 5wpm = VK$J ,VK$K plus 2 letters

Intermediate = above +10wpm = VK$ plus 2 or 3 letter call sign ($ = state) with remaining available letters from other categories

Novice = 5wpm + Regs + basic theory = VK$L,M,N,P,V plus 2 letters

For more see here

http://www.aca.gov.au/publications/info/amateur.htm

I'll ignore all off thread discussions.

"Why bother with if the call is fake and only on the Internet?”

Well does anyone remember Boogis St in Singapore in the 70's. Basically a bunch of guys doing some false advertising in high heels with hormones (in the breasts not the heels) completely harmless of course, but I don't think they had to have a ticket... you just had to guess !!!. To me it's the same thing (although some people like that sort of thing, some even are bold enough to say its OK).
Did someone say greencard? Geez more paperwork.
OK I can't resist.... for all the unreconstructed gun toting Montana Militia and McVeigh apologists ... hop into bed with Gore Vidal here
http://www.abc.net.au/arts/books/stories/s432193.htm
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/08/09/vidal/

To paraphrase Dr. Evil in the movie "The Spy Who Shagged Me" .... "You just don't get it do you ? Gore"
[This is actually irony with a twist for those who just don't get it, get it?]
Why Gore ? At least he can string 2 words together.
If your going on about "freedom" etc etc try and sound as though you've got all your marbles. And really, I can't remember when fundamentalism was a part of Amateur Radio.

KC2JCA ..... YOUR AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND. Your welcome around my place any time!

Now lets check
1. Fire extinguisher... check
2. Anti spammer software ... check
3. Thermo nuclear underwear in case above doesn't work check

he he
send










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[VK6EN]

Blast...
Correction to last post.

Intermediate = above + 5wpm = VK$J ,VK$K plus 2 letters

Unrestricted = above +10wpm = VK$ plus 2 or 3 letter call sign ($ = state) with remaining available letters from other categories

[W5ATX]

I used to get accused of bootlegging - on CW! - when I would tell other ops my age during a contact. I will brag here a bit and say my operating was important enough to me to be good at it. I prided myself on my fist, etc, and I was unhappy with myself if I wasn't the best I could be. I got my ticket at age 13 - when Novices had only cw privledges - and as such I DID get good at CW. And when I would tell someone I was only 13, 14, whatever, I was questioned. Mind you, this was during the CB boom, so I guess not so many "kids" were into hamming and CW in particular then.

If you're not sure, keep thy trap shut. You may well just embarrass yourself.

And yes, DOD issues calls to military in their areas. I wonder which genius says they don't. Hmmmmm

73,
Chris

[ad5tj]

I just may step on some toes here, but I just have to say somthing. I have been a ham since about 1997. I started out as a "no code tech" The older Ham crowd groaned, I then learned the code thanks to probably one of the greatest Hams among all of you, he opened Ham radio up to me, not ignoring the "new guys" I am now a General class and yes I got mine at the 13WPM before the new 5wpm took effect. I am someone alot of the "older crowd' would have never allowed into the fold of Ham Radio. One thing that sickens me about this hobby is the guys who refuse to change because of his iron fisted shout "they'll ruin the bands!", also there are some 300year old guys who sit on the radio monitoring and looking up everycall sign that comes across the air. Well let me tell you,our hobby is dying because there are a whole lot less new operators coming in as it is going out. AND AND isnt this a website or are we realy on 20meters packet??? Dont you remember when Ham radio was fun?? Well lets go back then. All we have to do is adjust our attitude tuner.. We have to or we wont have a hobby for long..........Sorry if I offend.....73

[N9ILS]

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A quick English lesson for this guy.

LOW CODE GENERAL SAID:
Mr Jim, I haven't broken any laws first of all , secondly your spelling isn't 100 % either third yes my scope is right on so If I were like you and decide to take the law into my own hands and start capping freebanders(which I personally have nothing against) Believe me you would be the first to know.By the way should is spelled should not shuold.I don't own a Galaxy.And when the comander and chief lies in the court of law, and claims not to have inhailed I don't respect their idea of whats right and wrong but I don't Impose my opinnions on them either. But I guess I should ask my self why I would be telling you this you probibly are a politician and there fore politically perfect.By the way what exactly is your point anyway?

I say:

You cant form a sentence very well at all, and your punctuation is horrid. Maybe you should go back to grade school and learn the basics of English before you come out here acting so high and mighty. You sound like some uneducated redneck. Go back to school.

Just wondering how many of the "holier than thou" "hams" out there who are making it hard for "nonhams" like myself to even join their "elite" ranks. I Enjoy QRZ and other sites for the information that I can gleen from them to make radio more fun as well as educate myslef. When I see fourms go into the directions that this one has gone, I swear that if there was audio, one would have a hard time telling that these are "professional" radio operators, not CHANNEL 19!!! If you want to get nit picky, how many of you use your turn signals, obey the speed limits, or even look in your mirror before you change lanes??!! Driving is not a HOBBY and by not doing those are in fact guaranteed illegal! Remember, "remove the plank from your own eye before you try to remove the spilnter from your neighbors eye". Reading this load of petty squabbling makes me wonder if I'll ever get licensed or just stay "freebanding". # Posted by an "uneducated" high school drop out with only a "GED", but one who has at least some common sense to know that he is not infected with "optical rectalitis" and that certain parts of my anatomy do not resemble excavations of dirt.

[VK6EN]

VK8NT is an
****** UNUSED AND AVAILABLE********
callsign in Australia's Northern Territory for anyone who is legally entitled to it.

That means if you are a "Technician Plus Class operator" or above and you intend to Travel to Australia

ITS YOURS !!!!!!!

I'd take it myself but I can't justify being in the "NT" for more than 4 months just to prove a point.

Am I the only one on the topic ?

oh Q.E.D.(Thus it is proved) N.(T) Thomas is NOT VK8NT

[VK6EN]

BLAST AGAIN Make that GENERAL CLASS or above
a Technician Plus Class operator could have VK8JNT or VK8KNT

Listen to yourselves.

This started as a topic of bandwidth being given unnecessarily to "fake" operators here at QRZ.com

VK6EN - you may be smart, but don't be a smart ass.

How could we allow ourselves to go so far off topic?

Basically, if you don't wish to speak of unlicensed operators or "fake" callsigns on QRZ.com, SHUT THE F*** UP!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif