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wu3u
05-18-2004, 12:44 PM
Both David Kay, the Bush Administration's former WMD hunter, and Hans Blix cast considerable doubt on the contention that Iraq had large stockpiles of WMD based on recent WMD "finds:"



Inspectors: Sarin possibly left over from pre-Gulf War


Associated Press


The former top U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, David Kay, said it was possible a shell containing ingredients for sarin nerve agent that detonated Monday was a relic that was overlooked when Saddam said he had destroyed such weapons in the mid-1990s.
Kay, in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, said he doubted the shell or the nerve agent came from a hidden stockpile, although he didn't rule out that possibility.

Former U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix agreed the shell was likely a stray weapon scavenged from a dump and did not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles.

Numerous arsenals and weapons depots were looted in the turmoil following the collapse of the regime last April. Some depots still are only lightly guarded. Many of the materials used for roadside bombs were believed to have been looted.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said he believed that insurgents who planted the explosive did not know it contained the nerve agent. The 155mm shell did not have markings to indicate it contained a chemical agent, a U.S. official said.

He said a U.S. military convoy discovered the round, which had been rigged as an explosive device. A detonation took place before soldiers could make the bomb inoperable, producing "a very small dispersal of agent."

U.S. officials believe that the shell was an experimental munition produced before the 1991 Gulf War, called a binary type -- a bomb carrying two separate chemicals that when combined in an explosion produce sarin.

It appears that two components in the shell that exploded Saturday did not properly mix upon detonation, the U.S. official said.

Blix, whose inspection team didn't make any significant weapons finds during months of searching Iraq before the war, said he and his team found 16 warheads that were tagged as used for containing sarin but were empty.

Saddam's government had disclosed binary sarin testing and production after the 1995 defection of Iraqi weapons chief Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majid, Saddam's son-in-law. But Saddam's government never declared that any sarin or sarin-filled shells still remained.

Developed in the mid-1930s by Nazi scientists, a single drop of sarin can cause quick, agonizing choking death. There are no known instances of the Nazis actually using the gas, but that didn't stop other nations from stocking it.

wu3u
05-18-2004, 12:55 PM
More:

Washington-AP -- The former top American weapons inspector in Iraq has his own theory about the source of a roadside bomb that exploded in Iraq over the weekend -- apparently with the nerve agent sarin inside.

David Kay says it's possible the shell is one of the thousands of shells produced during the ten-year Iran-Iraq war that may have been overlooked.

Saddam Hussein was supposed to have destroyed those weapons in the mid-90s.

Kay tells The Associated Press he doubts there is a hidden stockpile of nerve agent weapons. But he's also not willing to entirely rule it out.

n0ov
05-18-2004, 01:05 PM
Concur

If you notice the US Officials are also down-playing this "event"

If their motivation is because this is one of the many shells that were in the stock piles (that were suppose to be distroyed) that is a good things.

There motivation may also be they've received some big black eyes for not finding the WMD used to justify going into Iraq.

What scares me is the information that is not being shared or left unsaid.

Fact is Iraq did have and use chemical weapons in the past and had a nuclear program. Not all components have been found, which means there is some pretty bad stuff out there that hasn't been found yet.

Like it's been said before, it doesn't scare me that someone wants to stockpile weapons of this type. What truely scares me is the person who only wants one.

05-18-2004, 02:41 PM
The former inspectors are quick to downplay it in part because they claimed there were no WMD, and now stand to look like fools.

This weapon was not just left over, it was purposley remarked so as to hide its identity, so as to skirt UN resolution 1441.

n0ov
05-18-2004, 03:45 PM
Bottom line I guess is they have found these.

Wonder what other harmful device or "bug" will surface down the road?

Anyone remember the remote controlled aircraft found that could disperse chemical agents? Wonder where the agents that were intended for those planes are?

wu3u
05-18-2004, 06:48 PM
"It is hard to know if this is one that just was overlooked - and there were always some that were overlooked, we knew that- or if this was one that came from a hidden stockpile," Kay said. "I rather doubt that because it appears the insurgents didn't even know they had a chemical round."

David Kay, Chief Former Bush Administration WMD Hunter

Source: Washington Post

n0ov
05-18-2004, 06:55 PM
LXR

I will bet dollars to donuts old Sadam and his henchman hid alot of things they weren't suppose to have all over that country.

Even shipped a few items to they're good friends in Syria for safe keeping.

Guess the US forces won't be the only ones now searching for WMD.

It's not good to assume something is the way it appears, especially when it could do you harm. Sergeant Major Gill, USA. What do the first three letters of assume spell? Sergeant Major Gill, making his point after recruits are killed for assuming something is safe!