A Man Of Conviction

[kc0ebm]

Face to face with a hostile liberal press looking for apologies, or an admission of error, or any sign of weakness, GW faced them and the cameras and said flat out to the entire world, "we will stay the course".

Gone are the days when our President licks his finger and thrusts it into the fickle winds of public opinion before he speaks.

Standing at the absolute lowest point in the polls since he took office, GW is unwavering in his convictions.

Why?

Because he knows that the job that he must finish is even more important than getting reelected. He knows that, to cut and run now, would embolden all of our enemies, it would plunge Iraq into a bloody civil war that would result in a reestablishment of another cruel and wicked totalitarian regime who would use Iraq's vast oil wealth to support terror, it would strengthen all other world terrorist regimes, it would prove to all who hate us that the USA is only a paper tiger with no teeth, and it would put our own shores at huge risk of further terrorist attacks.

Furthermore, it would say to the Talibans of the world that they have won the battle. It would say to the Qadafi's of the world that they need not reveal their WMD programs. It would say to N. Korea that we are no real threat to their nuclear WMD program.

AND! It would tell the Palestinians that Israel's staunchest allie is no longer a threat to their sworn objective to push Israel into the sea.

And worst of all, any sign of wavering would be an unspeakable dishonor to all the American Heros whose blood has been shed and whose lives have been lost in Iraq and Afghanistan in the war on terror!!!

A man of vision. A man of conviction. A man who says what he means.....and MEANS what he says. In plain speech GW tells the world in no uncertain terms what they can expect from this country and its people. And he does it at the rock bottom in the polls!

Now, America and the WORLD must know that this man is no panderer! And neither is he to be trifled with.

If I were a Democrat, I would not attack him on his greatest strengths. And if I were a terrorist, I would find the deepest darkest hole on the face of the earth and stay there until the end of President GW Bush's second term!

[N0PU]

Bull Pucky...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsSto....D=48881 (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=48881)

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

Too many lies too often about too much...

[K3XR]

It is such a pleasure to have an adult in the White House who understands the challenges this nation is facing. #The message is clear from this plain spoken man. #Listen to the hostile questions from the partisan main stream media last night, who were trying to get the President to apologize for an act that was the fault of terrorists. #Why was there such a push on this question, could it be to take the heat off of the eight years of failure in the Clinton administration? #Notice it took less than 90 seconds, when questioning started, for the word Vietnam #to come up. #Is this another Vietnam, no, in Vietnam politicians ran the war based on polling data. #This war is being run by the Generals on the ground. #Thankfully, this country is not run by polls, if it were, it would be a simple matter to check into a web site and vote on the "issue of the day" and there would be no need for elected representatives.

By the way, did you hear, on the main stream partisan media, that one of the members of the 9-11 Commission, Jamie Gorelich, Deputy Attorney General, in the Clinton administration, issued a 1995 memo which established a wall between the criminal and intelligence divisions hindering the ability of the U.S. government to detect the Sept. 11th plot. #This woman should be a witness, to explain her actions, not a member of the committee.

[W3MIV]

I DON'T have to love it or him, though I think he is trying very hard (or, very trying, as the case may be).
Having said that, I will vote for him again. The alternative does not bear thinking about.
I am a pistol shooter (NRA qualified competitor), a trap shooter, and a Life Member of both NRA and the American Legion. John Kerry is anathema to each or either.
Jobs? Ask the lovely fool where HJ Heinz has the bulk of their production and canning operations. In the US? It is to laugh.
Morality? Ask Kerry about the depth of his Catholicism. He boasts of being a faithful Catholic, yet flies in the face of every moral canon. How well does that bode for any other principal he may espouse?
As a veteran, I was very much insulted by his shabby and hollow political stance vis-a-vis Viet Nam, which is a misadventure that I never did support, but as a wearer of the uniform would never have demeaned in the manner he chose.
He is trash, in my view. Ergo, GWB is the ONLY alternative.
Now, let's have all the flames from benighted democrites.

[W8EFA]

Quote by EBM - Face to face with a hostile liberal press looking for apologies, or an admission of error, or any sign of weakness, GW faced them and the cameras and said flat out to the entire world, "we will stay the course".

Gone are the days when our President licks his finger and thrusts it into the fickle winds of public opinion before he speaks.

Standing at the absolute lowest point in the polls since he took office, GW is unwavering in his convictions. #



Exactly what other choice does he have, #now that he has us in this mess? #We are no safer for invading Iraq! #In fact we are in more danger since invading Iraq because we have lost the support of the world and alienated the muslims. #He should have went after the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the actual people who attacked us.
He had this war planned from the beginning, it was on the CD that was discovered in Washington at the beginning of his term.

Wake up and look at the facts!

What's that saying "There are none so blind as those who will not see

[N3TTN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N0PU wrote: Bull Pucky...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsSto....D=48881

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

Too many lies too often about too much... [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


If you believe this media drivel, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you......cheap.

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W8EFA @ April 14 2004,08:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Exactly what other choice does he have, #now that he has us in this mess? #We are no safer for invading Iraq! #In fact we are in more danger since invading Iraq because we have lost the support of the world and alienated the muslims. #He should have went after the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the actual people who attacked us.
He had this war planned from the beginning, it was on the CD that was discovered in Washington at the beginning of his term.

Wake up and look at the facts!

What's that saying &quot;There are none so blind as those who will not see[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Towing the liberal line with that statement aren't we? I still would rather have Bush than what the alternative is.

At least with him I will have the tools I need to go into battle. Will I have that with Kerry? His voting record for supporting the military is less than stellar if you ask me.

[ki4bgo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W8EFA @ April 14 2004,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Exactly what other choice does he have, #now that he has us in this mess? #We are no safer for invading Iraq! #In fact we are in more danger since invading Iraq because we have lost the support of the world and alienated the muslims. #He should have went after the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the actual people who attacked us.
He had this war planned from the beginning, it was on the CD that was discovered in Washington at the beginning of his term.

Wake up and look at the facts!

What's that saying &quot;There are none so blind as those who will not see[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Exactly! Start an unnessessary war without UN approval? He better clean up his mess now! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif I still fail to see why some people practically worship the ground this guy walks on! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[ad4mg]

No ... I don't have to love anything about King George. #To set things straight, I don't believe GW could have done anything to prevent the 9-11 attacks, nor could anyone else on the planet spare bin Laden. #But Iraq is another matter. #I told a friend the day GW was declared the winner of the election after the mess in Florida that it was now a matter of time before junior finished the job that Daddy didn't. #And it happened. #Before I join King George and the Evil Oil Empire, I need to know why we went into Iraq when we did. #WMD's???
Nope. #Links to terrorism??? Nope. #I still await an answer on this one. #He has the blood of all of our dead soldiers on his hands. #I agree that we have to stick it out now, as there are no reasonable alternatives left. #But we shouldn't even be there.

I also regret that there is also no reasonable alternative to GW on the presidential ticket. #That other guy (and I'm a democrat) is so out of touch that he doesn't even warrant discussion.

My $.02 worth.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif What does Mr. Kerry actually offer ( other than promises, and all candidates make promises.) to make things better for JOHN DOE american ? Any one ( including my self or even you ) can have a fine speech writer to point out all the BAD points of the other candidate. Any one with a microphone in their hand can have a lot of &quot; one - liners &quot; to point out this or point out that. Sure, he has all these supporters who ( when the tv cameras are ON ) chant and wave wildly for all to see (( something like protestors, dont get the films mixed up ))...then when the cameras are OFF, just stand there, and mildly wander off after the tv news crews leave. Mr. Kerry is the BEST candidate that that particular political party has to offer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Sure, Mr. Bush is not perfect ( the only one that ever was perfect died on a cross ), but he IS trying. He does NOT back down when things dont go exactly the way it was planned. ( in real life, most things do not end up the way you / I originally planned , mostly for the better. I aint gonna waste my time trying to convince you which man to vote for, fact is I have wasted enuf time already just posting this for your &quot; entertainment &quot; ( like it is my job to entertain you ...hee hee hee ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif **btw; paste &amp; splice the previous message to point out what YOU want to, I know you want to !! **..........PRAISE the LORD ...---ai4ep---

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ April 14 2004,08:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No ... I don't have to love anything about King George. To set things straight, I don't believe GW could have done anything to prevent the 9-11 attacks, nor could anyone else on the planet spare bin Laden. But Iraq is another matter. I told a friend the day GW was declared the winner of the election after the mess in Florida that it was now a matter of time before junior finished the job that Daddy didn't. And it happened. Before I join King George and the Evil Oil Empire, I need to know why we went into Iraq when we did. WMD's???
Nope. Links to terrorism??? Nope. I still await an answer on this one. He has the blood of all of our dead soldiers on his hands. I agree that we have to stick it out now, as there are no reasonable alternatives left. But we shouldn't even be there.

I also regret that there is also no reasonable alternative to GW on the presidential ticket. That other guy (and I'm a democrat) is so out of touch that he doesn't even warrant discussion.

My $.02 worth.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You actually believe this was about oil? That is about as laughable as Art Bell having guests on his show saying we are actually decendants of an alien race from Mars.

I am not convinced the WMD's were never there. Saddam was and is a cold and calculating beast. He had 5 years to hide his goods (which explains his henchmen barring the UN inspectors from checking suspicious spots) before gulf war II. He knew we were going to come for him eventually, so I bet Iran or Syria may have them.

No links to terrorism? I guess Salman Pak training ground was nothing more than empty field being turned into a aircraft boneyard?

Isn't it funny that there are people who blame Bush for not doing anything or enough to prevent 9-11, but at the same time think our policy in Iraq is too bold?

I agree with you on Kerry!

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ki4bgo @ April 14 2004,08:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W8EFA @ April 14 2004,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Exactly what other choice does he have, now that he has us in this mess? We are no safer for invading Iraq! In fact we are in more danger since invading Iraq because we have lost the support of the world and alienated the muslims. He should have went after the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the actual people who attacked us.
He had this war planned from the beginning, it was on the CD that was discovered in Washington at the beginning of his term.

Wake up and look at the facts!

What's that saying &quot;There are none so blind as those who will not see[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Exactly! Start an unnessessary war without UN approval? He better clean up his mess now! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif I still fail to see why some people practically worship the ground this guy walks on! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Why do we need an approval from the UN to defend ourselves?

There are people out there waiting for the opportune time to turn our soveriegnty over to the UN and abolish the Constitution.

How would you like your right to free speech abolished? This issue the FCC is dealing with to wipe out indecency is childs play to what they would do with abolishing the USC. That is what could potentially happen and sadly I think one day will.

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD4LEI @ April 14 2004,09:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why do we need an approval from the UN to defend ourselves?

There are people out there waiting for the opportune time to turn our soveriegnty over to the UN and abolish the Constitution.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
We don't need the UN for much of anything, in my view. And we don't need any help dismembering the Constitution, we seem to be doing a pretty good job of that all by ourselves.

[ad4mg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD4LEI @ April 14 2004,11:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You actually believe this was about oil? # That is about as laughable as Art Bell having guests on his show saying we are actually decendants of an alien race from Mars. #

&lt;snip&gt;

Isn't it funny that there are people who blame Bush for not doing anything or enough to prevent 9-11, but at the same time think our policy in Iraq is too bold?

I agree with you on Kerry![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, I didn't imply that it was about oil. #I simply expressed my displeasure with oil companies in general and GW's &quot;coddling&quot; of the same. #I don't think the rest of the planet would warm up to us taking the Iraqi oil fields for our own...

And, please re-read my post. #I clearly stated that I felt there was nothing GW could have done to prevent 9-11. #I only blame Bush for us being in Iraq ... and I still await proof of WMD's, terror links, etc. #All we have is the arrest of a grossly overestimated tin-pot dictator who was hiding in a hole like a rat. #No threat to us whatsoever.

[N0PU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ April 14 2004,10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I clearly stated that I felt there was nothing GW could have done to prevent 9-11. I only blame Bush for us being in Iraq ... and I still await proof of WMD's, terror links, etc. All we have is the arrest of a grossly overestimated tin-pot dictator who was hiding in a hole like a rat. No threat to us whatsoever.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Finally, someone who can see through all the BS...

The whole Iraq thing was GW trying to be as big as Daddy...and he just ain't got it... The whole thing was about HIS ego... and American folks are dying because of it!

If all else he did was right...and it ain't even close... He should still be dumped for this alone!

[k6pme]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3XR @ April 14 2004,08:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, did you hear, on the main stream partisan media, that one of the members of the 9-11 Commission, Jamie Gorelich, Deputy Attorney General, in the Clinton administration, issued a 1995 memo which established a wall between the criminal and intelligence divisions hindering the ability of the U.S. government to detect the Sept. 11th plot. #This woman should be a witness, to explain her actions, not a member of the committee.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, I have to say that I've been keeping up with the 911 hearings more than anything else. Yes, I heard about Jamie Gorelich but not on the mainstream media.

Isn't funny how one of the single most important acts that hamstrung the FBI was committed by one of the 911 commissioners. Is it partisan? Absolutely! Just look at what they tried to do to Condi Rice.

As it is, the facts are beginning to speak for themslves and it's all going to fall square on the shoulders of Clinton and Reno.

The Crown Jewel of a list of debacles of a horrible 8 year legacy.

[KG4CGC]

I don't know which is worse, havind an ex-pothead in office or having an alcoholic ex-cokehead in office.
No one is perfect but I have been under a lot more scrutiny looking for a new job than these guys were.

well all this goes back to the late 70's and Mr Carter decied to help the Shaw of Iran (opps) then Mr Clinton decited to turn a once most wanted terrorist Arafat into a statesmen. I see these two moves is what has caused nearly all the pain we suffer today.

Nuke em all and pave it, this country was built by folks killing other folks and taking what they want so why should this be any different. Haw LOL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KG4CGC]

Oh yeah, that will work.

[KC2HJN]

KC0EBM,

While you have a right to your opinion, your post clearly shows you really have no clue about what's really going on and WHY those &quot;tough&quot; (not really) questions are being asked.

Hostile media? They have been kissing GW's rear up until recently, and only now are asking questions that should have been asked 2 years ago.

Here are some I would like answered:
(Now before you accuse me of being a &quot;liberal&quot;, think again. I'm republican, have been my whole life, and supported Bush up until I realized almost everything he says is a lie)

1. Why, Mr. President, did you, Cheney, Colin, Rumsfield etc.., claim to have UNDENIABLE proof of Sadams WMD when in fact you had no such proof as shown by the failure to find ANY evidence at all (none, zero, nada) of WMD.

2. Why, Mr. president, did you repeatedly cite Iraq's gassing of the Kurds as evidence of Iraqi atrocities, when in fact the US Army War College in it's own conlusion determined it likely was the Iranians who gassed them during the Iran-Iraq war.

Even so, the Kurds are (were) a revolutionary faction in Iraq and as such were not Sadams &quot;own people&quot;. If a few of our United States decided to revolt against the US Governmnet, would that same Government not wage war against them? (remember what happened to a small group in Waco, which as it turns out actually didn't do anything) Would you think it's ok for another country to bomb Washington for waging war against a revolution?

3. Why, Mr. President, did you say Sadam could attack the US when in fact he couldn't even defend his own country?

4. Why did you, Cheney, Rums., Powell, etc... consistantly use already disproved evidence (mobile weapons labs, long range remote drones, etc..) as justification for an invasion?

5. Why did you consistantly use the fear of terrorism to gain support of an invasion of Iraq when there was no (again, zero, nada) credible evidence linking Iraq to ANY terrorist group. In fact, didn't BinLaden actually condemn Sadam as an Infidel?

6. Mr. President, given the fact there was no proof as you claimed (even the inteligence agencies, behind the scenes, claimed to have no evidence to support the claims you were making) , why are Americans being killed in Iraq?

7. Mr. President, what is going on in Afganistan? What is happening to the approx. 12000 US troops still there. Reports say the opium trade has flourished again, the taliban are still fighting and things are generally a mess. Is this true?

8. Mr. President, how can you claim you had no knowledge of a planned attack on the US when numerous intelligence agents said they personally filed reports and issued warnings, only to be ignored or given other tasks, members of your own cabinet stopped flying commercial aircraft, stock market transactions(which are monitored for suspicious trades) clearly indicated something was about to happen, and foreign intelligence agencies claim to have issued warnings to our government(some very specific)?

Why were these warnings ignored and why have things we learned afterwards been ignored? (like those stock market transactions. Who made those transactions?)

***preparing for the flames***

9. Mr. President. Your claims that the terrorists hate America because of our freedoms seem silly. Do you think it may actually have something to do with our unwavering support for Israel. You condemn Iraq for various reasons already stated but support Israel nearly unconditionally. (Some things to thing about: Israel has WMD, is in violation of over 50 UN resolutions, consistantly viloates human rights treaties, is illegally occupying palestinian territory, has attacked it's neighbors, etc, etc, etc.... and recieves BILLIONS of dollars of aid from the US)

I can go on, I'm sure if you actually think about it you can come up with some of your own.




edit: man, there were a lot of posts since I started typing this...

[k6pme]

HJN:

Waco was committed to take the heat off of an even worse atrocity in that was going on in Idaho at the time.

While I certainly won't argue the points of your post, is there a viable alternative to Bush come November?

[KC2HJN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG6QQL @ April 14 2004,10:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">HJN:

Waco was committed to take the heat off of an even worse atrocity in that was going on in Idaho at the time.

While I certainly won't argue the points of your post, is there a viable alternative to Bush come November?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
About Waco, heard something like that once, but don't really know about it.

As far as no better alternative to Bush, I don't know. I supported him at first, but now... I really can't stomach to even listen to the guy anymore.

[k6pme]

If your interested do a google search on Ruby Ridge, Idaho. There is mountains of information there regarding the murder of US citizens by US Marshalls and the FBI.

[KB9YCO]

Any post that starts with &quot;the liberal media&quot; cracks me up. Especially since the corporations that own the largest majority of stations are blatantly (and often times blindly) conservative. Check the numbers people.
As far as Bush vs. Kerry goes, it's just as bad as the last election; two extremists crying foul and sensationalizing every possible topic, while not truly representing mainstream America or using common sense or an objective view. Makes me sick, they need to start having 'none of the above' on ballots, then we can move on to the next group of scum bag crooks until we maybe find someone that really cares or has a clue.
That's my two cents worth and in today's economy I don't think it's even worth a Jamaican half penny.

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC2HJN @ April 14 2004,09:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KC0EBM,

While you have a right to your opinion, your post clearly shows you really have no clue about what's really going on and WHY those &quot;tough&quot; (not really) questions are being asked.

Hostile media? They have been kissing GW's rear up until recently, and only now are asking questions that should have been asked 2 years ago.

Here are some I would like answered:
(Now before you accuse me of being a &quot;liberal&quot;, think again. I'm republican, have been my whole life, and supported Bush up until I realized almost everything he says is a lie)

1. Why, Mr. President, did you, Cheney, Colin, Rumsfield etc.., claim to have UNDENIABLE proof of Sadams WMD when in fact you had no such proof as shown by the failure to find ANY evidence at all (none, zero, nada) of WMD.

2. Why, Mr. president, did you repeatedly cite Iraq's gassing of the Kurds as evidence of Iraqi atrocities, when in fact the US Army War College in it's own conlusion determined it likely was the Iranians who gassed them during the Iran-Iraq war.

Even so, the Kurds are (were) a revolutionary faction in Iraq and as such were not Sadams &quot;own people&quot;. If a few of our United States decided to revolt against the US Governmnet, would that same Government not wage war against them? (remember what happened to a small group in Waco, which as it turns out actually didn't do anything) Would you think it's ok for another country to bomb Washington for waging war against a revolution?

3. Why, Mr. President, did you say Sadam could attack the US when in fact he couldn't even defend his own country?

4. Why did you, Cheney, Rums., Powell, etc... consistantly use already disproved evidence (mobile weapons labs, long range remote drones, etc..) as justification for an invasion?

5. Why did you consistantly use the fear of terrorism to gain support of an invasion of Iraq when there was no (again, zero, nada) credible evidence linking Iraq to ANY terrorist group. In fact, didn't BinLaden actually condemn Sadam as an Infidel?

6. Mr. President, given the fact there was no proof as you claimed (even the inteligence agencies, behind the scenes, claimed to have no evidence to support the claims you were making) , why are Americans being killed in Iraq?

7. Mr. President, what is going on in Afganistan? What is happening to the approx. 12000 US troops still there. Reports say the opium trade has flourished again, the taliban are still fighting and things are generally a mess. Is this true?

8. Mr. President, how can you claim you had no knowledge of a planned attack on the US when numerous intelligence agents said they personally filed reports and issued warnings, only to be ignored or given other tasks, members of your own cabinet stopped flying commercial aircraft, stock market transactions(which are monitored for suspicious trades) clearly indicated something was about to happen, and foreign intelligence agencies claim to have issued warnings to our government(some very specific)?

Why were these warnings ignored and why have things we learned afterwards been ignored? (like those stock market transactions. Who made those transactions?)

***preparing for the flames***

9. Mr. President. Your claims that the terrorists hate America because of our freedoms seem silly. Do you think it may actually have something to do with our unwavering support for Israel. You condemn Iraq for various reasons already stated but support Israel nearly unconditionally. (Some things to thing about: Israel has WMD, is in violation of over 50 UN resolutions, consistantly viloates human rights treaties, is illegally occupying palestinian territory, has attacked it's neighbors, etc, etc, etc.... and recieves BILLIONS of dollars of aid from the US)

I can go on, I'm sure if you actually think about it you can come up with some of your own.




edit: man, there were a lot of posts since I started typing this...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
HJN Wrote:
&quot;Hostile media? They have been kissing GW's rear up until recently, and only now are asking questions that should have been asked 2 years ago.&quot;

KD4LEI Wrote:
I take it you haven't watched the Today Show (a prime example) and people like Katie Couric and Matt Laurer too much?

The bias has been there much longer than ya might think and I think who you are referring to is Fox News.

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YCO @ April 14 2004,10:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any post that starts with &quot;the liberal media&quot; cracks me up. Especially since the corporations that own the largest majority of stations are blatantly (and often times blindly) conservative. Check the numbers people.
As far as Bush vs. Kerry goes, it's just as bad as the last election; two extremists crying foul and sensationalizing every possible topic, while not truly representing mainstream America or using common sense or an objective view. Makes me sick, they need to start having 'none of the above' on ballots, then we can move on to the next group of scum bag crooks until we maybe find someone that really cares or has a clue.
That's my two cents worth and in today's economy I don't think it's even worth a Jamaican half penny.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't worry, I am sure you will be glad once 2008 rolls around and Hillary runs the show, right?

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W3MIV @ April 14 2004,09:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD4LEI @ April 14 2004,09:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why do we need an approval from the UN to defend ourselves?

There are people out there waiting for the opportune time to turn our soveriegnty over to the UN and abolish the Constitution.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
We don't need the UN for much of anything, in my view. And we don't need any help dismembering the Constitution, we seem to be doing a pretty good job of that all by ourselves.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sadly that is happening via both parties who have people in them with interests in doing just that.

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ad4mg @ April 14 2004,09:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD4LEI @ April 14 2004,11<!--emo&amp;http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You actually believe this was about oil? That is about as laughable as Art Bell having guests on his show saying we are actually decendants of an alien race from Mars.

&lt;snip&gt;

Isn't it funny that there are people who blame Bush for not doing anything or enough to prevent 9-11, but at the same time think our policy in Iraq is too bold?

I agree with you on Kerry![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, I didn't imply that it was about oil. I simply expressed my displeasure with oil companies in general and GW's &quot;coddling&quot; of the same. I don't think the rest of the planet would warm up to us taking the Iraqi oil fields for our own...

And, please re-read my post. I clearly stated that I felt there was nothing GW could have done to prevent 9-11. I only blame Bush for us being in Iraq ... and I still await proof of WMD's, terror links, etc. All we have is the arrest of a grossly overestimated tin-pot dictator who was hiding in a hole like a rat. No threat to us whatsoever.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The oil companies are really peeving me off right now and I don't think you can just blame Bush for this. You can thank the enviromental lobbyist for pushing the price of gas up with their policies that politicians pass via laws and then in turn use that to get that needed vote for another term. Again, it's more than just Bush at this game.

We're not there to take the oil fields and I would then have to make my voice heard if it was.

I don't have to re-read your post on 9-11. I am not saying you stated that but it came to mind as I was reading your post. I posted that response to people who might think and state that in general. Trust me, there are a lot who think that via knee jerk reactions.

I think you grossly underestimate Saddam and what he can be capable of. That clown was just as dangerous (if not more) than Hitler was.

Well, I would love to continue this debate, but I must go and take a trip to the zoo with the XYL and YL.

It's been fun and 73!

[W4MAJ]

Hallelujah, a forum that has nothing to do about CW pro or con! George W. Bush is MY president and MY Commander-in-Chief! When I put on my BDU’s in the morning I feel a little taller and a little prouder than when our former president and past commander-in-chief was in office.

Our past president and the present minority party have no honor and neither does the their ally the national media. What is the definition of honor? Not lying, cheating, stealing, nor tolerating those who do. America’s military is honor bound to do their job the best they can. That is why most servicemen and women cannot tolerate the Democratic Party and the majority stand behind President Bush.

And another thing, the economy is bad? You've got to be kidding! Unemployment and interest rates are at an all time low. The NASDAQ is hovering around 10,400. Folks what do you want? If anyone is hungry and blames the president is crazy! A report released today says that the average American spends two months a year watching television! Couple that with scratching his derriere it is easy to understand why it's hard to make ends meet. Can't find a job? Contact your local military recruiter. We've got TONS of jobs we can't fill and most START around $30,000 a year. Grow up folks.

Flame away if you must, but I know whom I am voting for and why!

[KA9VQF]

A man of conviction?? Why do I read this as warmonger??

[KB9YCO]

&quot;Don't worry, I am sure you will be glad once 2008 rolls around and Hillary runs the show, right?&quot; KD4LEI

Yo Chad! Did you even read my post? I don't recall endorsing any of these idiots, as a matter of fact I believe I referred to them all as scumbag crooks. I then stated that there should be 'none of the above' on the ballots, did you read that part too? Read it again and maybe it will sink in this time.
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, an extreme reaction because what someone says doesn't fit in perfectly with the party line. Your presumption that I would ever endorse CHillary is not only way off base, but is also reactionary in nature and inaccurate.
Here's a crazy idea, how about looking at the facts and making a judgement based on common sense and logic instead of automatically assuming that one party (your party, pick one) is always correct. That seems to be the problem way too much these days, partisan rhetoric with no tolerance or objectivity. Sad state of affairs.

HOWARD STERN FOR PRESIDENT (they'll love that one!)

[KC2HJN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W4MAJ @ April 14 2004,11:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hallelujah, a forum that has nothing to do about CW pro or con! #George W. Bush is MY president and MY Commander-in-Chief! #When I put on my BDU’s in the morning I feel a little taller and a little prouder than when our former president and past commander-in-chief was in office.

Our past president and the present minority party have no honor and neither does the their ally the national media. #What is the definition of honor? #Not lying, cheating, stealing, nor tolerating those who do. #America’s military is honor bound to do their job the best they can. #That is why most servicemen and women cannot tolerate the Democratic Party and the majority stand behind President Bush.

And another thing, the economy is bad? #You've got to be kidding! #Unemployment and interest rates are at an all time low. #The NASDAQ is hovering around 10,400. #Folks what do you want? #If anyone is hungry and blames the president is crazy! #A report released today says that the average American spends two months a year watching television! #Couple that with scratching his derriere it is easy to understand why it's hard to make ends meet. #Can't find a job? #Contact your local military recruiter. #We've got TONS of jobs we can't fill and most START around $30,000 a year. #Grow up folks.

Flame away if you must, but I know whom I am voting for and why![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Nothing wrong with being proud of your nation, but c'mon now. I am very proud to be American. It doesn't mean I have to like our present leaders, or the other guy either. Asking questions of our leaders, and expecting an honest answer isn't too much to ask for, but it seems too much for the Bush administration.

Many germans blindly followed their leader. They believed the propoganda. We all learned how that turned out.

The choices are clear.

Bush or Kerry. All the rhetoric aside, that's what it comes down to in 2004.

Let's leave PERSONAL LIVES OUT OF THIS! (AFter all, during the 1994-2002 Presidential terms we were told that PRIVATE LIVES/AFFAIRS are NOT to be considered as they are just that, private! So let's not look at either Bush or Kerry's private issues. They don't count for the discussion.

All that's left is what they've done.

What has Kerry done? Bitched about how bad Bush is. Complained about how bad Bush has handled (pick one or all) The Economy, The War, The Homeland Security, (fill in the blanks) He has LOTS of complaints.. lots of bitching.. but he's REALLY a little short on 'WHAT HE WOULD DO TO MAKE IT BETTER!'

Bush has, in spite of all the spin done things to make it better.

The tax cuts helped . I'm middle class and the tax cuts put, directly, into my pocket over $3,000 extra for ME to spend on wahtever I felt was best for me and my family.

The unemployment numbers are D O W N dramatically.
The Stock market has resumed an upward growth path (yes, there have been dips and fits and starts, but upward path n one the less!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
An evil man is GONE and although Iraq is struggling to grapple with the new paradigm they are slowly moving that way. (the idiots that are fighting now are just those remnants who won't or can't let go. They shall be defeated.)

We have had to realign our living conditions to adapt to the world as it EXISTS today. Sadly that means that the freedom to move unfettered without some kind of checks have gone but again.. one can look at changes in the world that have driven that. (One can ALSO make the case, rather nicely, that the politicians/courts by their overt refusal to allow installation of basic border/visitor security/controls/monitoring has defeated any REAL forward motion and stifling the influx of 'unpleasant people' into our Country)

Are things better? Yes. Are they perfect. Nope?

Which one has DEMONSTRATED that they are willing to put money and committmenet to the Military where their political rhetoric is? (Hint.. it's NOT the guy whose not President right now)

Which one has done more to restore the national pride in our Military, it's troops, and the ideals for which they stand for? (Hint, it's NOT the guy who tossed his medals over the fence a bunch of years ago)

Which one has actually said 'Hey, Government! It's NOT your money! It's the American people's money and WE should let them keep more of what is THEIRS because THEY know best how to spend it to benefit the American people!&quot; (hint, it's NOT the guy who wants to repeal them - whcih is a tax increase, repenalize married folks, repenalize people's estates, and toss a bigbucket of water on the fire that heats the boilers that run the Nation's economy)

So...pick the better (or if you wish, the less worse) of the two. Neither may be very good, but one is better than the other.

It's that simple.

K3FT
All the rest is smokescreen and diversiionary tactics.

[KA9VQF]

I hate to tell you this but the only reason that the unemployment numbers look better is because people have been unemployed long enough they have run out of benifits. Check the numbers on new welfare claims in your county once.

[W4MAJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KA9VQF @ April 14 2004,13:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hate to tell you this but the only reason that the unemployment numbers look better is because people have been unemployed long enough they have run out of benifits. Check the numbers on new welfare claims in your county once.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Unemployment numbers are down and continue to drop. New businesses, corporate and private, are blooming with the spring flowers. Y'all come on down to Tennessee (http://www.state.tn.us/labor-wfd/news/marchstate2004.htm).

[k6pme]

TAX CUT? FOR WHOM?

Yea, right! Not if your single, work multiple jobs and make over $xxxxx.xx a year. I get to drain my floating savings account tomorrow morning and send it in.

[KC2HJN]

The economy only APPEARS to be doing good right now. The current public debt of the US is over 7 Trillion dollars. That's TRILLION. That means every man, woman, and child in the US has a current burden of over 24,000 dollars because of government mismanagement. The debt increases currently at nearly 2 billion dollars a day.

This can only go on for so long before a crash.

If you have 10,000 in the bank but have a debt of 100,000, would you say your finances are in good order?

[N8YV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0PU @ April 14 2004,09:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bull Pucky...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsSto....D=48881 (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=48881)

Too many lies too often about too much...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh, boy! A relitics-based &quot;news&quot; site. Yessiree, I know I can ALWAYS count on the Christian viewpoint for the straight dope on any subject!

Why, if it weren't for relitics, I might have grown up believing in such silly notions as dinosaurs, archaeology, physics, ancient civilizations, and dancing!

I am so thankful that I'm a TRUE BELIEVAH! Well gotta run now, Benny Hind is coming on soon....
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

KG6QQL.... I fit the profile you described to a 'T'.
I am single, have no real estate, work a main job (and a second one off and on) and my income is at the mid-range of the five-x group you noted.

Yes.. for SOME UNEXPLAINED REASON... I (not rich.. not wealthy.. not one of the 'upper crust rich guys' that everyone seems to feel are gonna get the chunks) saw my refund go up to 3K.

I also saw my NET (in my pocket) take home pay go up by 15 percent NET #(that's REAL, spendable, 'I can do with it what I want') money.

I don't know your financial situation but mine is about average for a single guy and I have more money AFTER the tax cuts than before. (yes.. sure doesn't fit the standard 'tax and spend' liberal line or fit the conventional WAshington, D.C. wisdom.. BUT IT'S TRUE! #Deposit slips DON'T LIE!) #:D

As for the debt (which we owe to ourselves BTW) #Ummm.. gee.

let's see.. just WHAT may have happened to cause that to spike? #Umm.. AHH YES!! #A couple of minor things.. (Does September 11th ring a bell? AHH, thought so!)..

Umm.. let's see... unemployment cuz folks are off the rolls.. well, ahh,, you know.. back when Clinton was pres he signed a 'welfare to work' into law that gave folks in the States 5 years to get off Welfare and seek work.

So THAT drove the numbers down AND people went out and (GASP) got some kind of training and ajob. Perhaps not the CEO of IBM.;. but they got a job and began the journey we all took at the start. We started low and worked upwards.

Let's see. ahh what else... Something about having to repair/rebuilt/restore a lot of infrastucture that was let go during past adminstrations....

OK.. let's see. (well there is that little dealie with Afghanistan, but that's just something folks seem to feel is 'the son's' plan to complete the 'father's' desires.) #But it still costs money..


There are lots of other reasons, the most simple one being that EVENTUALLY when the spending/tax balloon gets so inflated that people just can't handle it anymore they 'go underground' and remove themselvesfrom the rolls of taxpayers. #THAT IS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.

Things are improving.. they take time and they take patience.

problem is.. PEOPLE want it NOW and if they can't have it NOW.. then they declare it a FAILURE and want to scrap it and return to the old ways.

Takes time to turn the Ship of State around. Big ship, small rudder. Constant pressure turns it. it's turning.. slowly, but it is turning.

Argue about things all you want.. Me? As a regular middle class American worker MY standard of living is better, my income is higher, and I've a lot more liberty to do with my resources what I deem appropriate than I did prior to 2000.

Guess I can thank &quot;Botox Forehead Man&quot; for that, right? #:D

K3FT

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ April 14 2004,12:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The choices are clear.

Bush or Kerry....

...pick the better (or if you wish, the less worse) of the two. #Neither may be very good, but one is better than the other.

It's that simple.

K3FT
All the rest is smokescreen and diversiionary tactics.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
One minor emendation, Charles, OM: One is better than the other by more than a magnitude.
Kerry's rating in the Senate is as a more doctrinaire liberal than the senior Senator from Taxachusetts, the winner of the breast-stroke across the Edgartown inlet.
And I am not so sure I agree that their personal lives should be off the record. Bush has, after all is said and done, struggled successfully with many of life's adversities, whether self-made or otherwise; he mastered them, putting booze and the rest behind him. Kerry acquitted himself well enough in Viet Nam, but used this to score political points after in ways that I feel strongly were reprehensible.
I think people should consider the moral fibre of any candidate, whether Wilbur Mills cavorting with Fanny Foxx in a fountain or Bill Clinton with his cigar. We, as a people are better than that, and we should demand better of our &quot;leaders.&quot;

MIV, I agree with you, a personal character is a good means of seeing how they handle PERSONAL issues. Those characteristics DO play a part in how they manage, handle, and view their PUBLIC issues. ( I know you 'get it' but I'm going to repeat the following for those who might not 'get it'. Indulge me just a line or two. Tnx!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


I was making a somewhat subtle reference to the fact that all during 'the previous Adminstration's time in office' that whenever such character issues were brought up the mantra from the left AND from the followers was 'IT'S PRIVATE! IT'S NOT RELEVANT! IT'S THE PUBLIC THINGS THAT MATTER!!!'

I was just endevaouring to maintain a consistent line with the past Adminstration's supporters and cheering section, that's all.

OF course, the private character of a person is decidely a factor in their fitness to be leading something. If a man cheats, lies, and steals in his private life, do you think he's NOT going to be prone to engage in that when in a position of power? Likewise, if a man is honorable in his private dealings.. is it not prudent to expect that those characteristics will tend to be evident in the public forum? Sure they will.

Track record is QUITE valuable for determining a persons POTENTIAL future actions - asssuming the past record is in the same category of the future actions.

Presidents have GREAT power to sway the actions of Military matters, budgetary matters, matters of internal USA policy and the like.

A man with a PROVEN DOCUMENTED track record of favoring the 'tax and spend' mindset and actions can be, correctly, expected NOT to change his character once in office. A man who holds a more left ended liberal record than Teddy can only be expected to continue that once he is President. To assume otherwise is to violate many well understood laws of human nature.

So itcomes down to two things.

Character and track record.

THESE are the two I use and determine whom I shall vote for.
Pretty simple, actually.

Old fashioned, I guess, but simple none the less.

K3FT

[KA9VQF]

let's see.. just WHAT may have happened to cause that to spike? Umm.. AHH YES!! A couple of minor things.. (Does September 11th ring a bell? AHH, thought so!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif..

&lt;I'm convinced that the terrorists were watching the election returns too, and that if Bush had not won it would never have happened.&gt;

Umm.. let's see... unemployment cuz folks are off the rolls.. well, ahh,, you know.. back when Clinton was pres he signed a 'welfare to work' into law that gave folks in the States 5 years to get off Welfare and seek work.
So THAT drove the numbers down AND people went out and (GASP) got some kind of training and ajob. Perhaps not the CEO of IBM.;. but they got a job and began the journey we all took at the start. We started low and worked upwards.

&lt;Many are back on the rolls, most didn't get all that good a job in the first place.&gt;

Takes time to turn the Ship of State around. Big ship, small rudder. Constant pressure turns it. it's turning.. slowly, but it is turning.

&lt;It didn’t take GW long to turn the ship did #it. Remember #how much excess money was in the treasury when he took office. That so called tax refund was an attempt to buy us off!
When you have been #at the bottom for as long as I have you just can’t see the “good” in it.&gt;

[k6pme]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ April 14 2004,13http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KG6QQL.... I fit the profile you described to a 'T'.
I am single, have no real estate, work a main job (and a second one off and on) and my income is at the mid-range of the five-x group you noted.

Yes.. for SOME UNEXPLAINED REASON... I (not rich.. not wealthy.. not one of the 'upper crust rich guys' that everyone seems to feel are gonna get the chunks) saw my refund go up to 3K.

I also saw my NET (in my pocket) take home pay go up by 15 percent NET #(that's REAL, spendable, 'I can do with it what I want'http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif money.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, for SOME UNEXPLAINED REASON, given almost identical situations (I'm a bit more than mid-range) my tax liability went UP 3K. Interesting.

I just doesn't pay to live a debt free life style.

[kc0ebm]

Doesn't it strike anybody as ODD that not one single question was asked by the press about the economy?

If anybody asked, I missed it, but I didn't catch any questions about the economy, did you?

What's up with that? What happened to, &quot;its the economy, stupid&quot;? Yet not ONE question was asked about the economy!

Another thing struck me as extraordinary. Nearly every question posed by the press was asked from a position of presuposition that President Bush had made errors and would he like to apologize, or accept responsibility, or admit culpability. In short, they were the most &quot;PREGNANT&quot; questions that I've ever heard at a Presidential Press Conference.

Far too many of those questions were posed with the same pregnant presuposition. If there wasn't an intentional collaboration of the press to foist that presuposition in the structure of their questions, then it was the most extraordinary string of coincidences that I've ever seen.

I mean, it was almost like one person wrote all the questions and then handed them out to the press as they entered the room. It was almost like the entire press corp was managed by a single entity.

If you stop to think about the implications of this, its SCARY. Last night's press conference was the first time in my life that I can remember being suspicious that the press was being managed. It made the hair stand on the back of my neck.

Am I just paranoid, or did anybody else get the same sensation from the press last night?

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif nah...never mind .

[ky5u]

The political animosity from my party's loss of the last election is still alive and well. #I was against the war but let me bring something to your attention:

1. The Soldier death toll from Iraq and Afganistan combined is still MUCH lower than the number of civilians killed on 9/11!!

2. Until last month, more FIREFIGHTERS died on 9/11 than soldiers in Iraq!!


Obviously, the 9/11 victums are not worth the effort according to my party and the press.....

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ April 14 2004,15:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif nah...never mind .[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Bob!

If fashioning and articulating a coherent train of thought is difficult for you.....then restricting yourself to one line responses is a good idea. Its much harder to contradict yourself with one line responses.

Go with it, Bob http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC2HJN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you stop to think about the implications of this, its SCARY. Last night’s press conference was the first time in my life that I can remember being suspicious that the press was being managed. It made the hair stand on the back of my neck.
Am I just paranoid, or did anybody else get the same sensation from the press last night?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Control of the press is nothing new. Google a search on operation mockingbird.


“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
Richard Salent, Former President CBS News.


“News is what someone wants to suppress. Everything else is advertising”.
former NBC news President Rubin Frank


Asked to give a toast before the prestigious New York Press Club, John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff at the New York Times, made this candid confession [it’s worth noting that Swinton was called “The Dean of His Profession” by other newsmen, who admired him greatly]:
“ There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell the country for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. “


Not exactly a lie, but clear evidence that ABC will not report the news they do not care for!
On Thursday, July 30, 1998, ABC News ran a story claiming that their polls showed that most Americans did not think that perjury was grounds for the President to be impeached. ABC took severe criticism over the fact that this claim was directly contradicted by several online polls which showed that (as MSNBC was reporting) 2/3 of Americans favored impeachment.
So, on Friday Morning, July 31st, 1998, ABC News placed the question of impeachment as their online poll at their website. By noon (Pacific time) the results were beginning to match those found everywhere else.
At 12:15 PDT, ABC removed the online poll regarding impeachment.

CNN/Time - On June 7th, 1998, CNN reported that a Vietnam veteran had accused the Department of Defense of using nerve gas on it’s own troops. While hardly the first time that the US has used chemicals against it’s own people, this story proved to be un confirmable, and in the face of pressure from the Department of Defense, CNN retracted on July 2nd, 1998. Several reporters were fired, but CNN’s Peter Arnett keeps his job by reminding everyone that he just reads what’s given to him and has no way of knowing if it’s true or not. At last report, Arnett, CNN and TIME have been sued for 100 million dollars for defaming the officers accused of the Sarin gas attacks.


CBS 60 Minutes Executive Producer Don Hewitt was caught on video tape bragging about how he edited the Gennifer Flowers segment to help Bill Clinton win the nomination.
Excerpt from “The Clinton Chronicles”; 60 Minutes’ Executive Producer Don Hewitt on video, discusses the handling of the Gennifer Flowers segment.
DON HEWITT (Executive Producer, “60 Minutes”): And they came to us because they were in big trouble in New Hampshire. They were about to lose right there and they needed some first aid. They needed some bandaging. What they needed was a paramedic. So they came to us and we did it and that’s what they wanted to do. When I told Tim Russer that I was persona-non-grata at the White House, he said, “Why?” I said, “The Gennifer Flowers interview.” He said, “You got him the nomination.” I said, “I know that.” As far as I know from the conversations I’ve had, Bernie Nussbaum knew that, Gergen knows that, Lloyd Cutler certainly knows it ‘cause Lloyd had a hand in his coming on that night.
You know it was strong medicine the way I edited it but he was a very sick candidate. He needed very strong medicine, and I’m not in the business of doctoring candidates but he got up out of a sick bed that night and walked to the nomination and as I said to Mandy, “You know if I’d edited it your way, you know where you’d be today? You’d still be up in New Hampshire looking for the nomination.” He became the candidate that night.

[k6pme]

ebm:

Don't you know that the main stream media is liberally biased to the Democratic Party? Of course they won't ask any economy questions since the economy is improving. (regardless of my earlier post's I believe this) The only thing they can hang there hat on is the war in Iraq. Not even the 911 commission hearings are giving them much since it is squarely pointing at Clinton and Reno. Want to really get your dander up? Start reading either the New York Times or the L.A Times. As for myself I read a lot on Newsmax just to get the other side of the story.

This is an election year, you haven't seen anything yet.

[N0PU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8YV @ April 14 2004,13:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0PU @ April 14 2004,09:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bull Pucky...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsSto....D=48881 (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=48881)

Too many lies too often about too much...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh, boy! #A relitics-based &quot;news&quot; site. #Yessiree, I know I can ALWAYS count on the Christian viewpoint for the straight dope on any subject! #

Why, if it weren't for relitics, I might have grown up believing in such silly notions as dinosaurs, archaeology, physics, ancient civilizations, and dancing!

I am so thankful that I'm a TRUE BELIEVAH! Well gotta run now, Benny Hind is coming on soon....
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I am NOT a Christian, Don't wanna be a Christian...

And moreover I resent being represented as belonging to ANY of todays organized religions... And I take what you have said as a personal attack... Please don't do it again...

As for it being CBNNEWS... I try to read all the sides of a problem before shooting off my mouth... I just happen to agree with them THIS time...

I do notice, however that you skipped making comments on the other site that documents the LIES... The LIES that have cost lives... the LIES that are causing further corrosion of the middle class... The LIES that make it better to ship jobs offshore than it is to keep thwem here...

I don't like any of the choices out there.... but Bush is definately NOT the best choice... Whoever runs against him...

It isn't a dem/rep thing with me either... It is a case of stupid decisions made for the wrong reasons...

[KA8NCR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N3TTN @ April 14 2004,08:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N0PU wrote: Bull Pucky...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsSto....D=48881

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

Too many lies too often about too much... [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


If you believe this media drivel, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you......cheap.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
About as much as I believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11.

[KA8NCR]

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Our past president and the present minority party have no honor and neither does the their ally the national media. What is the definition of honor? Not lying, cheating, stealing, nor tolerating those who do. America’s military is honor bound to do their job the best they can. That is why most servicemen and women cannot tolerate the Democratic Party and the majority stand behind President Bush.
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Bush is stealing from your children, your grandchildren. The deficit is robbing them of their future standard of living. Why people can't see this is beyond me, but that single factor about Bush wanting to &quot;protect the unborn&quot; just makes me sick. Yeah, he wants to protect them so they'll be around to pay for his spending today.

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And another thing, the economy is bad? You've got to be kidding! Unemployment and interest rates are at an all time low. The NASDAQ is hovering around 10,400. Folks what do you want?
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For starters, I'd like you to tell me how unemployment is at an all time low when the latest figures show it at 5.6%. That's not an all time low. Interest rates being at an all time low is not an indicator of an economy that is healthy. And what the stock market is trading at means that the stock traders are enjoying a good day because they believe corporate earnings are up. In case you missed it, corporate earnings have been up for a while because they're running at incredible productivity through job cuts and offshoring. And even then, the market has been droopy all week with yesterday and today being downright blue.

Furthermore, I don't know where you get your financial news from, but I certainly hope you're not paying for it. The NASDAQ has never been above 10,000 and is currently hovering around 2,000.

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A report released today says that the average American spends two months a year watching television!
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I'm interested in this report. Link or sources, please.

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Can't find a job? Contact your local military recruiter. We've got TONS of jobs we can't fill and most START around $30,000 a year. Grow up folks.
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You're dillusional. The military is not going to be interested in a 45 year old engineering type that's seen his job disappear overseas. The military is not going to be interested in a 35 year old unemployed factory worker that's seen his welding and fabrication job move south to Mexico. And even if the military were, it's just impossible to have that volume of workers employed by the government. You're grasping at straws here my friend because even though Bush isn't directly responsible for the loss of these jobs, he can be fingered for encouraging the trend.

I don't know any other way to explain it other than the only acceptable answer is a president that discourages it and seeks ways to keep those jobs stateside and make American corporations more competitive with American workers. He's hired by the American people, and he's letting a large percentage of them down. What Mr. Bush has forgotten is that while he has a large number of rich CEO friends, most of the voting population are definetly Joe Lunchbucket types and they are really peeved off. And they are NOT buying the usual drivel about how offshoring jobs is good for the country.

Most middle class Americans realize that a country that doesn't produce anything of value is destined to have its wealth drained on the way to becoming a third-world nation. We're on our way, and people don't like the direction.

Bush has been outspending Kerry by an enormous amount for campaign advertising and the race is very close. Speaking of signs, that's not a very good one.

George will be shown the door in 2004.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif You mean to tell me that Mr. Kerry is his political party ' best person for a candidate to be the PRESIDENT of the U S A ? He is the BEST that they could do ? Are you serious ?

[KA9VQF]

The title of this thread is “A man of conviction, you’ve got to love it”
Well I’d love to see Mr. Bush convicted or better yet unemployed in an area like mine. My job was boxed up and sent to Mexico and the plant closed.

The Mexicans had been making the same parts we were but they kept smeging them up and then they would send them to us to fix. I could never see how the company was making any profit that way.

I wonder if Ford has found another supplier for the parts that they aren’t getting or if production has slowed so much that the demand is down enough that the Mexicans can keep up.

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AG4YO @ April 14 2004,16:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The political animosity from my party's loss of the last election is still alive and well. I was against the war but let me bring something to your attention:

1. The Soldier death toll from Iraq and Afganistan combined is still MUCH lower than the number of civilians killed on 9/11!!

2. Until last month, more FIREFIGHTERS died on 9/11 than soldiers in Iraq!!


Obviously, the 9/11 victums are not worth the effort according to my party and the press.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'm back on a limited basis... Will be heading to bed since I gotta get up early tomorrow.

It seems that Ted Kennedy and the senile senator from my home state of WV Bobby Byrd, seem to keep bringing up Vietnam. &quot;This is George Bushes Vietnam!&quot; They both state

Funny, the last time I checked there were more men that died on a daily basis in Vietnam than those in Iraq on a daily basis.

I agree with you on that!

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KA9VQF @ April 14 2004,18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The title of this thread is “A man of conviction, you’ve got to love it”
Well I’d love to see Mr. Bush convicted or better yet unemployed in an area like mine. My job was boxed up and sent to Mexico and the plant closed.

The Mexicans had been making the same parts we were but they kept smeging them up and then they would send them to us to fix. I could never see how the company was making any profit that way.

I wonder if Ford has found another supplier for the parts that they aren’t getting or if production has slowed so much that the demand is down enough that the Mexicans can keep up.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You know, I have been hearing some rumors that NAFTA has had an impact in jobs going to Mexico. Any truth to that?

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YCO @ April 14 2004,10:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any post that starts with &quot;the liberal media&quot; cracks me up. Especially since the corporations that own the largest majority of stations are blatantly (and often times blindly) conservative. Check the numbers people.
As far as Bush vs. Kerry goes, it's just as bad as the last election; two extremists crying foul and sensationalizing every possible topic, while not truly representing mainstream America or using common sense or an objective view. Makes me sick, they need to start having 'none of the above' on ballots, then we can move on to the next group of scum bag crooks until we maybe find someone that really cares or has a clue.
That's my two cents worth and in today's economy I don't think it's even worth a Jamaican half penny.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well... Since you insist that none of the above be on the ballot, then whom?

Nader?

I'd say Neal Boortz, but he's not running.

[KD4LEI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka8ncr @ April 14 2004,17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">George will be shown the door in 2004.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't count on Bush being shown the door. Bill and Hillary control the Democratic party. I keep hearing rumblings out of the party that Bill will sabotage Kerry's run later this year by bringing his memoirs out. He will take the steam out of Kerry's run by putting the spotlight back on Bill. Other Dems wanting Kerry to win have told Bill to hurry up with getting it to bookstands, but he's late already.

I can be pretty sure the Clinton's will try and railroad Kerry's run at the Whitehouse. Why? Because she wants to step in where they think there will be no challenge from the Republicans after Bush's 2nd term. 2008 is Hillary's year and she will not allow Kerry to win and sabotage her shot at the Whitehouse. You watch, something's going to happen before long.

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD4LEI @ April 14 2004,18:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka8ncr @ April 14 2004,17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">George will be shown the door in 2004.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't count on Bush being shown the door. #Bill and Hillary control the Democratic party. #I keep hearing rumblings out of the party that Bill will sabotage Kerry's run later this year by bringing his memoirs out. #He will take the steam out of Kerry's run by putting the spotlight back on Bill. #Other Dems wanting Kerry to win have told Bill to hurry up with getting it to bookstands, but he's late already.

I can be pretty sure the Clinton's will try and railroad Kerry's run at the Whitehouse. #Why? #Because she wants to step in where they think there will be no challenge from the Republicans after Bush's 2nd term. #2008 is Hillary's year and she will not allow Kerry to win and sabotage her shot at the Whitehouse. #You watch, something's going to happen before long.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'm wid you LEI,

I see the Clinton's throwing a monkey wrench into the campaign to spoil Kerry's chances if it starts looking like he's got a ghost's chance in hell beating Bush. Like you, I'm ready to duck when the monkey wrench comes flying in.

But, it may not even be necessary for the Clinton's to intervene. Bush hasn't even entered the ring yet, much less strike his first blow. When the campaign bell rings, I see Bush takin' 'im out early. If Kerry can't make a good showing in the first round, the Dems will get desperate and bring out all the ultra liberals and they'll self destruct in full view of the entire nation.

Kerry's already shadow boxing himself into a hell of a hole belly aching about all the supposed mistakes that Bush has made. But soon he'll have to tell the world what he'll do to correct everything. That's when his weaknesses will become apparent. Kerry's got a glass jaw! He just doesn't know it yet. Bush will break him and brand him a loser and put him out to pasture with Teddy before the dust even gets raised.

But, I still can't figure out why none of the press asked GW anything about the economy last night. That one's got me stumped. I wish I knew someone who had some inside information on the press' strategies last night. Really STRANGE.

One last thought....I wonder how this whole debate would change if all of a sudden somebody stumbled onto a huge stockpile of WMDs burried in the desert somewhere! You know, we've offered huge financial rewards for Saddam and his boys. I wonder why we don't offer some hooch to the guy that spills the beans on the WMDs? I'd kick in ten bucks....how 'bout you?

One more last thought....wonder where Osama Bin Stupid is right now? Hummmmm!

Tom

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Is it true that Mr. Kerry is CATHOLIC ? ---ai4ep--- praise the lord

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ April 14 2004,22:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Is it true that Mr. Kerry is CATHOLIC ? ---ai4ep--- praise the lord[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In name only.

QQL.. I'm confused!

First you say the economy is bad and then in another post you say the economy is good? Which is it?

Just curious.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[k6pme]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ April 15 2004,04:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">QQL.. I'm confused!

First you say the economy is bad and then in another post you say the economy is good? Which is it?

Just curious.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sorry for the misunderstanding Chuck. That post was a personal gripe about me specifically as I had just received the 'good news'. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Read again, I NEVER said, nor even hinted or referenced, that the economy was bad.

Overall I agree with your post about the economy. Things are looking up as a whole. So much so that it sent me into a new tax bracket!

Which is why I didn't answer that specific aspect of your post. YOU confused ME!

[W3MIV]

I wish all the folks kvetching about jobs moving offshore and hawking for Kerry would ask the HJ Heinz questions. Is he going to bring those jobs that Heinz sent overseas back to the US?

[N8YV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0PU @ April 14 2004,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am NOT a Christian, Don't wanna be a Christian...

... And I take what you have said as a personal attack... Please don't do it again...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I DON'T CARE!

My post was specifically aimed at the Christian-based &quot;news&quot; site you quoted. I couldn't care less what your religious or non-religious affiliations are! Take it any way you'd like, but a &quot;personal attack&quot; is definitely not what my post was about!

Relitical &quot;news&quot; is often tainted, tilted, and twisted to fit the publishers' particular affiliations, in order to sell it to the audience it's intended for. This is true of 95% of the garbage that's published out there, but I have found that relitical organizations are especially adept at phase-shifting facts and figures to pacify their tunnel-visioned subscribers.

If you don't believe Christian-based &quot;news&quot; is rife with distortions, just check out 5745KHz Radio Liberty between 3pm and 9pm CDT on any weekday. Pay particular attention not only to the relitical propaganda, but to the commercial advertisements aired there. You'll soon get my point.

Relitics STINKS!

[n0ov]

How about a Man with No Conviction

Bill Clinton -- we tried to go for a conviction put the public didn't care who he was sleeping with. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Perhaps the terrorists thought he was getting enough heat from Hillary

[ky5u]

On the news this AM, the highest ranking Democrat #of the 911 Commission when asked to grade the Commission said (paraphrase):

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">&quot;For our ability to ask the questions many people want answered, I give us an 'A&quot;. #For keeping partisan politics out of the Commission and our quetions, I give us a 'C'.&quot;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

He was speaking specifically to partisan questioning of Condie Rice.


Last night the chariman said on CNN that they hope the number of witnesses they called gives them &quot;stature&quot; before congress.

Finally, admission that the 911 Commission is about grandstanding and partisanship.

[kc0ebm]

Charlie,

Here we go....agreeing again!

I thought the questioning of Condi Rice was way over the top. It didn't bother me so much that they were being hard on her....she's a genius and handled herself admirably and I expected that she would.

My problem is, that if anything relevant and helpful ever comes out of these hearings, it is essential that partisanship stays out of the mix.

Why would any member of that committee go anywhere near partisanship? It just boggles the mind to witness the self destruction of this committee by the partisans. This is a NON-PARTISAN effort. The American people want ANSWERS....VALID ANSWERS.....not more counterproductive partisan BS.

This committee seeks to find some real or imagined ineptness by the systems responsible for the protection of the American people. But it is totally useless if it is conducted by the ineptness of political partisanship.

What are these people thinking of?

We only want the TRUTH and the FACTS! Can the dad blamed partisan grandstanding and just DO THE JOB FOR WHICH YOU WERE APPOINTED! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[W4MAJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka8ncr @ April 14 2004,18:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
A report released today says that the average American spends two months a year watching television!
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I'm interested in this report. Link or sources, please.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I said in a previous quote that the average American watches television an average of two months a year. Here's the link. (http://www.tvturnoff.org/images/facts&figs/factsheets/Facts%20and%20Figures.pdf)

Do the arithmetic. He or she watches 4 hours per day. Multiply that by 365 days and divide that by 24 hours. It comes to roughly 60 days or 2 months.

I also said that the NASDAQ was hovering around 10,400. Obviously, I meant the DOW. I stand corrected.

[K9STH]

Something to think about:

According to a program on The History Channel a few days ago, the losses to the French Army at the Battle of Verdum were in excess of 375,000 with over 40 percent of those being killed in action! The German losses were almost as high.

During the &quot;D-Day&quot; landings in Normandy, the losses to the United States alone were well in excess of 4,000 killed on the first day.

The number of United States soldiers killed in action during most of the battles for various islands in the Pacific were well in excess of those that have been killed so far in Iraq.

The losses to enemy action in Korea was many times that number who have been lost in Iraq.

The number of persons killed in automobile accidents in the United States each day greatly exceeds that number which are killed in Iraq on the same day. The number of persons murdered in the United States each day greatly exceeds that number of which have been killed in Iraq on any particular day.

The government in Iraq prior to the recent &quot;change&quot; executed, on average, many times what our forces are losing in Iraq every day.

Now, I am definitely not saying that a single United States armed forces member or civilian even being injured in Iraq should not be of concern, let alone someone being killed. However, we also must put the absolute numbers in perspective to what has happened in every conflict that we have been involved in before.

Glen, K9STH

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W4MAJ @ April 15 2004,07:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I also said that the NASDAQ was hovering around 10,400. #Obviously, I meant the DOW. #I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh, DRAT, I gotta call my broker back!

[ka8jhm]

FT;
Economy? Good or bad? How about good and bad?
Or better yet, good and lousy, or &quot; sucks&quot;.
If they say the economy has picked up, let them come to Ohio or any other industrial state and tell the residents how good things are, that is if they have the nerve. If not for the unemployment benefits today, I believe the correct discription of the situation would be &quot; depression&quot;.
Bob ka8jhm

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K9STH @ April 15 2004,08:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However, we also must put the absolute numbers in perspective to what has happened in every conflict that we have been involved in before.

Glen, K9STH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's reason. Reason doesn't work in politics (nor in the code debate). Once upon a time, folks tried to be supportive of a President beleagured by problems similar to those pressuring Bush. But not ALL folks.
The Chicago Tribune caustically opposed FDR throughout the War; on one occasion the paper even ran a story about code-breaking at Midway. Politics, not patriotism, ruled the Trib's publisher's head.
Thomas E. Dewey, on the other hand, lost the election to FDR in 1944 in part because he was noble and patriotic enough to not campaign on the code-breaking information that an &quot;insider&quot; illegally provided in reference to the then-hot Pearl Harbor issue.
Alas, John Kerry is not of the calibre of Tom Dewey.

hi Bob!

Well, the answer is quite simple. The United States has, over the past several years being undergoing a RADICAL change in the types of jobs we have here.

If you look back into American History, as it relates to the job market, economy, and other things in that realm, you'll see that ANYTIME the U.S. economy underwent a MAJOR shift in the emphasis of the marketplace, there were very overt and radical changes to the lay of the land as it related to jobs, where they were, where they showed up, and the like.

When the US changed from an agraian (farming/farm related) economy to a manufacturing (brick&amp;mortar facilities) economy, the population had to make RADICAL moves to 'go where the jobs were'.

Farmers and communities that grew up to service and manage the agrarian nature of the US economic system were severly uprooted as people had to move to find the new jobs in the new system.

This caused SEVERE unemployment in variuos areas of the country as services/support structures moved to where the 'new markets' were now located.

As the mechanical age came into being and became settled, people readjusted and things stabilized. But as all living systems do, changes happened.

The automobile came in, people adjusted, things changed. Economies boomed and busted as various things shifted.

Unemployment in one area usually meant people picked up and moved to other areas.

As the information economy came into frution and the smokestack industries began to decline (due to many factors) people had to move to where the jobs were. There were (and are) areas/States where unemployment is high.

WHY? because, honestly, some folks just don't want to move and they want to stay where they are. The reasons they choose to stay are not relevant, simply that they choose to stay. So they stay.. they need income.. but the jobs they used to do (or can now fill or CHOOSE to fill) are not there.

So they are members of the 'unemployed' and that makes it look bad.

However, those that recognize that the paradigms have shifted, and WANT to adapt or adjust to it, will move and seek the jobs where they are now.

That is a fairly simple explanation and I'm sure others can flesh it out more than I have.. but the bottom line is this.

People have to adjust, adapt, or figure out a way to make a niche for themselves where they are. That's just life and that's just something you can see in American History over the decades.

K3FT

[KB9YCO]

George W. Bush's 50 greatest accomplishments

1. I attacked and took over two countries.
2. I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not an easy task.)
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
7. I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did.)
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by a president in U.S. history.
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in U.S. history.
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of television.
16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other U.S. president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the poorest of the multi-millionaires is Condoleeza Rice, who has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.)
23. I am the first president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
25. I am the first president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the U.S.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in U.S. history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in U.S. history to compel the United Nations to remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in U.S. history.
31. I renderd the entire United Nations irrelevant.
32. I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 elections.
35. I am the all-time U.S. (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1.)
39. I am the first U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
41. I am the first U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people in &quot;old Europe&quot; (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stabilty.
42. I changed U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated U.S. laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for government contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the U.S. has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine ( Texas driving record has been sealed and is not available).
48. I was A.W.O.L. from the National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any S.E.C. investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meeting I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Just the facts folks. There's even sources for most of them, what a concept.

[n0xu]

Howabout those sources, then?

KB9YCO.. I posted this in a new thread, but your post requires me to place it here.

You state a LOT of bad things about GW Bush.

The following speaks for itself.

Comments?

K3FT
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I recently heard some 'other side of the aisle' politician make the statement, in public, that 'President Bush is the worst President in U.S. history!'

That statement was made with the typical impassioned, strident, energetic tone of voice that indicates that the speaker believes it, accepts it, and wants the strength of his passion convince others.

Well, a little digging into American history tends to refute those statements. Sourcing of the historical facts should NOT be required UNLESS you are unaware of the history of the United States.

This material was provided TO ME by a person who found it having been published in a Durham, N.C. newspaper.
K3FT
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Worst president in history?

(The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor. )

One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S history.

Let's clear up one point: President Bush didn't start the war on terror.

Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.
Let's look at the &quot;worst&quot; president and mismanagement claims.
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FDR led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.
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Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.

North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost,
an average of 18,333 per year.
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John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,
an average of 5,800 per year.
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Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.

Bosnia never attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Over 2,900 lives lost on 9/11.
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In the two years since terrorists attacked us,

President Bush has liberated two countries,

Rushed the Taliban,

Crippled al-Qaida,

Put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,

Captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.

Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
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Worst president in history? Come on!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
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[W3MIV]

YCO:
Your post is filled to overbriming with blatant assumptions and unsupported rhetoric.
Please show me the proof of GWB's military deriliction. AWOL in time of way, you say? First president to have alienated Europe? More divided populace than any time in history?
Your emotions have gotten out front of your brain. Look at history. Do you not think the American Civil War divided the population? How old were you in 1968?
And on and on.
Climb down from the soap box before it breaks.

[KB9YCO]

I would agree that some of the statements in that post (I edited and re-wrote some of it for clarity) are emotinally driven, but the factual ones are provable and have sources if you're willing to look at them objectively. Again, I claim no partisanship to either one of the current contenders, But I do think it's scary that these are the most qualified people we have in this country of so many intelligent people. Is there really no one left but these morons? eeesh
I just thought it was interesting and worthy of posting. If you want sources you can go to the ten billion websites that have similar postings with links attached to them.

KB9YCO posted...
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George W. Bush's 50 greatest accomplishments

1. I attacked and took over two countries.

(Well, didn't FDR/Truman/Kennedy/Clinton attack a few Countries and place US troops in there for extended periods? I seem to recall that the US had control of Germany for quite a while after WW2. I seem to recall that the US also had control over quite a bit of Korea during the time we were in there. We also, as I recall, had quite a bit of control of S. Vietnam while we were there.)

2. I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.

(Shall we go look at the REAL deficits and national debt while Uncle Bill signed the LARGEST tax increase in US history?)

5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

(HMMM.. I guess 'Black Friday' and the 'Crash' aren't of any relevance. yes, the market dropped AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL VALUE, but Please.. tell me.. did we suffer the same results as, ahhh. 1929? Lets' compare REALITY to REALITY)

6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

(So? What's the point. If he was tried and found guilty according to the US system of laws and the crime's punishment was death, then what's the problem? You have a problem with the execution of the law as prescribed by the law?)


8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did.)

(Got news for you.. ANY President, no matter WHERE he is located is ON DUTY ALL THE TIME, even when on vacation. You can bet your last dollar that while he was in Crawford TX he was getting daily breifings, making phone calls, handling things only the President can handle. Just because a Chief Executive goes 'on vacation' (meaning AWAY FROM THE MAIN OFFICE) does not mean that his job/work/duties stop.)


9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

(Ummm.. geee.. What about the WTC bombing just afew years ago? Who failed then? What about OKC? Who failed then? The USS Cole? Who failed then? UMMM.. PEARL HARBOR?? Seems we SAW the planes coming in but nobody believed 'em. We HAD awareness that the Japs were going to do something REALLY bad.. but the warnings weren't passed along)

14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in U.S. history.

(umm. lets take a good hard look at the folks on Nixon's staff, Clinton's staff and those surrounding THOSE two guys, OK?)

15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of television.

(so what?)

16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

(UMMM. do the words 'GAS LINES!' in the 1970's with Uncle Jimmy Carter in charge happen to flash through your mind?)


18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.

(Oh.. I guess Congress is exempt from any culpability? HMM&gt; Tell me again.. WHICH BODY OF GOVERNMENT produces the bills and such that are passed and then sent to the President to sign? MY knowledge of American History is a bit rough)

19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

(People overseas protesting the President. WHO CARES! BETTER GAUGE is to look here at home. Guess you were not around - or have not seen - the pictures of the protests that occured in the USA during the Union days. ... the '60's against the war days', or others)

21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.

(Really? Guess WW2 Presidency of Roosevelt was really open too! And I guess those secretive (closed) military tribunals don't count. Secretive this President is ONLY because you are USED to seeing a leaky Government where folks inside kinda forgot the basic rule of protecting the Country - INFORMATION PROTECTION FROM THOSE WHO WILL USE IT TO HURT US)

22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the poorest of the mulitmillionaires is Condoleeza Rice, who has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.)

(So what? A lot of important/rich/famous people have monuments/things/roads named after them. Big deal)

The rest are just SOUR GRAPES because you are upset that Bush is not following the line or methods that YOU like.

Many of the illustrations you pose were done by OTHER Presidents of both parties and MANY are things that are OUTSIDE his control or purview. (You gotta see Congress about a lot of those thigns too BTW.. Congress appropriates the funds.. so go talk to THEM, not the President. He can't SPEND unless CONGRESS ALLOCATES!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

K3FT

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KB9YCO,