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WB2SFS
04-11-2004, 12:51 PM
New licensing proposals are turning up everywhere. Here is the ultimate in bizarre proposals, as written in the monthly newsletter of Palomar amateur Radio Club (PARC), in San Diego, California. Looks like the San Diego hams are in the forefront of change!

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The newly formed Society for Preservation of Amateur Radio Traditions (SPART) recently published an editorial on their web page http://www.spart.cwisalphaomega.org castigating the FCC for the lowering of technical knowledge and operating acumen evidenced in the liberalized licensing process. Of greatest concern to SPART is that the many “instant upgrades” to Extra Class licenses is seriously undermining American ham radio leadership among international and developing countries.

Likewise, SPART cites the recent examples of failure of public services to communicate in disasters (as in the California fires), and security alerts, as reason to re-invigorate the extensive volunteerism traditionally seen in the ham radio community, a tradition they deem present in all sectors of the hobby. Touting the current emphasis in Washington circles to look beyond routine problems and focus on education, advanced space technology, and homeland security, SPART approached the ARRL and FCC with a surprisingly innovative though highly unusual four-tier license structure proposal.

Under SPART’s approach, and in line with the current ideas surrounding the Novice license, they propose doing away with the Novice license as known, and instead allowing anyone who wishes to operate radio in the ham bands to operate as a Citizens Unlimited Band (CUB) licensee. For this first tier license, no code requirements would be established, and licenses would be given to anyone who asks for one and presents a social security card as identification. As a CUB, operators would enjoy voice privileges on the 160M, 80M, and 40M HF bands using AM as the operating mode. They would have no power restrictions. They would also be allowed to operate on the WARC bands, but only the CW portion (no speed restriction). The idea here is that in so doing, CUBs would appreciate the fellowship of DX on WARC, and be inclined to improve their CW skills without onerous testing. SPART maintains this will prove the long held view of the value of CW, and how world class CW ops become proficient because of their devotion to the joy of CW. (Sounds to me like the an answer to “Why CW?” Simply: “Because it is”)

The second tier license would be the Serious Amateur Performer (SAP). This license would be reserved for CUBs who have completed five or more emergency operating exercises (supervised by Homeland Security Communicators), show proof of citizenship, qualified for DXCC on their allowed HF bands, and expressed an interest in ascending to higher class operations. SAPs would continue to enjoy CUB privileges, but would also be able to operate VHF/UHF satellite modes on CW. VHF/UHF would be limited to 500 watts ERP.

Third tier licenses would be available for CUBs, SAPs, or unlicensed people who are U. S. Citizens, legal immigrants, or visitors. This license class would be known as Real Amateur Telegraphers (RAT) class. They would be expected to pass a written exam, proctored by the VE examiners with a Homeland Security Proctor present. The exam would consist of code copy and transmit test at 15 WPM, essay questions concerning radio theory and practice, and a 100 multiple-choice questionnaire on U. S. history. Under discussion with the FCC is consideration of including a practical demonstration of homebrew building projects. Preliminary homebrew projects under consideration (the actual project to be performed at the test would be a surprise announcement at the test session) are construction of a vacuum tube, use of a vacuum tube in a Colpitts oscillator, construction of an 11m linear amplifier, or sip-n-puff vacuum tube code practice circuit.

Under SPART rules, the fourth license tier would be the pinnacle of amateur radio excellence. This would be the valued Extra Class License. An Extra Class License would be issued to any of the above licensees, or to anyone else, who ignores all that stuff, and takes a comprehensive theory and rule multiple choice exam, administered by a VEC as is done today, and passes a 25 WPM code exam. Extra Class Licensees would be eligible for all the privileges of today’s Extra Class, and could refer to themselves as “real extras”. They would be barred from the 11M CW band..

The only unusual requirement for the Extra Class license approval as proposed by SPART is that the exam must be taken on April 1st. of any year, and must be witnessed by an IOOK* VP.

ARRL and FCC are requesting comments and suggestions to this idea. They should be forwarded to ARRL via email at http://1aprilnote@arrl.fool.org

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(If you read this far: Happy April Fools Day).
73 de WB2SFS
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W3MIV
04-11-2004, 02:29 PM
Damn! I mean, Drat!, and I already filed a comment in support!

KM5FL
04-12-2004, 12:16 AM
So typical of California... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

An hour late and a dollar short.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


KM5FL

W5HTW
04-12-2004, 12:31 AM
He isn't late. In California it is ALWAYS April 1st.

Ed

05-29-2004, 06:35 AM
Gee everybody is more worried about new proposels for 6 land than the 6's The state is suffering from repeater costipation which would be cured by a bit of judicious purging.I go to Mt.Diablo ,4000 feet elevation and get every one in the valley pissed off.I will bring up 2 or 3 repeaters on the same frequency.

What do the techs do as novices?The tech could only recieve 5wpm not send it.The FCC and the ARRl did it again.Looks like FCC is repeating the CB foul up with FRS.and GMRS Fortunatly the cell phone take care of most of the stuff.
OLD GYPSEY CURSE-May you live in interesting times.

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05-29-2004, 07:23 AM
Well! could these old crocks pass a test like that?
Once they get their hats they couldent pass Calc.101
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W0UZR
05-29-2004, 04:43 PM
If either one of those proposals go through, the one in California or ARRL, Then,,,I'm pretty much out of the hobby...Cause,,,

I will only do REAL radio.

AB8RU
05-30-2004, 12:24 AM
I have a New Org in mind how about

CARRL ? CALIFORNIA AMATEUR RADIO REPEATER LEAGUE ?

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k6pme
05-30-2004, 12:37 AM
CUB and SAP? Sheesh.......Only out of the other California would something like that come out.......

Now about that RAT test, I don't think many people around here could pass the history portion (After this morning I don't think many people could pass a 5 question test on the US Flag Code)

I guess thats why the rest of us Californians get such a bad rap. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

ai4ep
05-30-2004, 01:51 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif dont feel to bad...in some parts of ALABAMA there are some repeater frequencies where you can bring up 2 ( two ) repeaters !! ( wow !!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

But getting some one to actually ANSWER you is another topic in itself.

There are NO repeater ( 2 meter ) frequencies available in Alabama...they are all taken ( from what I was told );
however the chances of YOU actually getting an answer on 98 3/4 % of them at 1 pm or 1 am is very very slim.

In the local area, there are 4 repeaters that I THINK you might get an answer 24/7 and they are:

146.940 Huntsville
147.240 Huntsville
146.610 Florence
146.880 Birmingham

I try to monitor 146.960 18 hours a day, ...BUT... if you hollar and do not get an answer, it will possibly be one of the 240 minutes I am away from the rig ( lol ) ..or...I recognise your callsign and ignore you !!( hee hee ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

* did he just print that ? ...yep, I think he did...look back...yep it is still there *

I am a fairly nice person to talk to, as long as you agree with what ever I happen to say at that given moment. But you folks already knew that.

( dern where IS my medicine ) ??

73

---ai4ep---

AC4BB
05-30-2004, 07:10 AM
Even stranger there is no WB2SFS. Phoney callsign.

05-30-2004, 07:22 AM
Typical, harebrained CA originated scheme and, believe me, California knows how to scheme, especially the legislature and elected officials.

Of course, If I had a RAT license, possibilities exist..How about ARATRL instead of ARRL?

Heh, better not get started.

k6pme
05-30-2004, 01:22 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8GHB @ May 30 2004,00:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">believe me, California knows how to scheme, especially the legislature and elected officials.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And how would you know this? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

ai4ep
05-30-2004, 06:49 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I think that &quot; no-code-techs &quot; should have no less than 10 years to UPGRADE or lose their license. No exceptions, no bargains. It would also help bring the price DOWN on 2 meter rigs, since they would have to sell them if they did not upgrade.

I just can t see spending $150 or more for a 2 meter rig, when yeasu ft - 1500 did cost as low as $119...but look at them in the &quot; used-for-sale&quot; area, folks are asking $150 for a used one !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

I also think that GENERALS should have NO LESS than 5 years to upgrade to EXTRA or lose all of their license.
That would help bring the prices of used HF gear down a bit.

I also think that all new EXTRA class operators in the first 3 months of the year 2004 should get NEW gear free, but only to a $3000 limit. ( that includes ME ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif )
Plus get new computer equipment, including laser scanner and printer and paper.

---you folks are waay too high on yer USED equipment...sure it is all in MINT condition ( heck, it just sits on a table, it dont roll over and over on the floor and want to go outside )...but no need in ripping your fellow amateur radio operator off in selling / trading him/her a USED radio. Treat others like you want to be treated or are you already doing that ? Sheesh !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif What do they have inside of these high-priced USED rigs: GOLD relays ? TITANIUM cw filters ? It appears that the &quot; all-mighty dollar &quot; has taken the place of offering decent deals these days.

I guess it is like with the old days with the &quot; C B stuff &quot; ... the ancient words of : your equipment is junk but mine is great...give me your stuff and still BUY mine at no discount !! some things never change !!

---ai4ep---

KI4DYA
05-31-2004, 06:24 AM
What's with all the whining lately about the price of gear?
You either pay what they're asking or you don't, no one's forcing ANYONE to pay more than they wish.

It's a free, capitalistic society (here in the US anyway), and people can charge whatever they feel like for whatever they want. I'm getting tired of the 'gimme gimme' attitude that's become so prevalent lately.

Guess it's just one more sign of the times.