Are We Alone?

[kg4kww]

This is a article from Sky News London England.

You read and decide, if what is being reported is on the up and up!!!!



Are they among us?


I like the comment from reader #2 --- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ARE WE VISITED BY ALIENS?

A town in Scotland has been named the place with the most alien sightings in Britain.
The oft-visited folk of Bonnybridge report more than 100 sightings each month, and data from other places would suggest they are not alone.


Here are your views on whether we are all alone in this universe and the chance that they are among us:

It is unreasonable to think we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy - let alone the universe. If they can get here we must assume they are far more intelligent and advanced than we are. If they came down tomorrow and started talking to world leaders and religious figures there would be worldwide uproar and massively differing views on how to treat them. Unfortunately our most common reaction is likely to be panic and aggression.
Ian Gibbons, London

Of course they exist, I married one!
Graham Randall, Hatfield, Hertfordshire

The only little green men I¿ve seen in Lewisham have been school kids in their green school uniforms after rolling in the grass up in Blackheath, and yes, lots of flashing lights from police, fire brigade, planes, Canary Wharf and the traffic on the A2. I would have thought that living right at the top of Blackheath I might have seen something or even have been visited Still waiting but happy to invite them in for a cup of tea.
Jose Franca, Blackheath, London

It's rubbish! UFOs do not exist, the only interesting thing about the whole UFO scene is the human copy cat mentality. One person sees something, suddenly everybody sees them.
Paul Mumford

The media is guilty of conflating the issue down to UFO means alien - it really means unexplained. People who see these things aren't making it up - why would they? They're normal people who cannot explain what they saw. Such phenomena are often seen by groups of people not one person alone. The issue should be taken more seriously.
Martin Bolchover, London

It is only 100 years since humans developed powered flight. We only learned to fly faster than sound 50 years ago. A more advanced civilisation may have developed a ship than can fly faster than light. Also remember, it was only a couple of centuries ago when European man stood on the west coast of Portugal, gazed out over the Atlantic and said in great confidence there is nothing out there. Our ignorance then told is if you sailed out there, you would fall off the end of the world.
John Smith

It is not just a question of how many planets contain intelligent life, but how advanced they are. We are preparing to colonise Mars and we utilise 10% of our total brain capacity. Who is to say that life-forms from other systems don't need to colonise a planet that already contains semi-intelligent life? We are undoubtedly, not alone.
Richard Booker, Reading, Berkshire

Is there any link between the number of sightings and the consumption of scotch?
Steve West, Oxfordshire

The vast distances between star systems make it impossible for any creature from one solar system to meet a creature from another. However, communication systems may present realisitic opportunities to contact other life forms from outside of our own solar system, should they exist. It can be said with great confidence that no alien from space has ever visited Earth. Those people who report otherwise may have vested interests for saying that they have met aliens.
Fred Copley, Newcastle

If Bonnybridge reports 100 sightings a month for UFOs that¿s more than three a day, then there must be loads of photographic evidence. Oops! Silly me, they must be using a special force field that stops photos being taken.
Russell, Maryland, USA

Of course aliens are real, I think it is totally ludicrous to believe that humans can be the only form of life in a universe that expands over infinity. I'm from Norfolk which has seen several sightings of other life, one in particular was a spacecraft sighted in the town of Harleston which both my father and I were privileged to witness.
Andrew Brown, Harleston, Norfolk

The surest sign that there's intelligent life on other planets is that it hasn't tried to contact us.
Brian Neale, Halewood, Liverpool

I know aliens exist - I got hold of one at the Lacey Lady.
Simon Milner, Ilford, Essex

For the first seven years of my life, they had me believe that there was this guy who flew to every house in the world in one night delievering presents on his sleigh. I believed it, so why would there not be aliens?
Paul Kelly, Derry, Northern Ireland

There's one place missing from the list - 10 Downing Street!
Pat Knight, Düsseldorf, Germany

I believe the country with the highest concentration of street lighting is Belgium, which also has a high number of UFO sightings. Bonnybridge is close to the refineries in Grangemounth, whose fires can be seen on a clear night for miles around. I've seen this from Cumbernauld and it does look otherworldly. The theory here is that UFOs are attracted because this area can be seen at night from very high up. Cumbernauld and Bonnybridge are situated just south of the Campsie Fells, a range of highs used for test flights. A friend of mine swears he saw a fast moving black triangle over these hills, which to me, sound like a spy plane.
Steve Stewart, Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire

All I can say is that news of our soft benefit system and non-existent immigration policies have obviously spread further than I had feared.
Iain Clover, Kent

Even if only 1% of all these claims are true, then it proves something is going on. At one point in time, humans naively thought the world was flat and that it was the centre of the universe. Are we now being naive to think that in the vastness of space, we are the only intelligent life form?
Simon Lunn, Hampshire

Of course they exist, They have amateur radios too!
A. Tilly, Hatfield, Hertfordshire
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[KA9VQF]

When I see things like this I wonder why I volunteered to come to this planet and study you people.
KA9VQF

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Welll....if there are INTELLIGENT beings from other planets out there...they see how we ( as Earthlings ) treat our fellow man/woman every day and night, just from watching our television newscasts. They see how " aggressive and war-like " we are among our own people. With this scenerio being able to be watched EVERY day and night, If I were an alien, I would stay away from Earth. It is abvious that we here on Earth do not want peace, or we would not be fighting our selves so much ( if at all ). There are other ways to settle disputes, in a peaceful fashion ( you already know this ). I really do not blame aliens from staying away, or just showing up " here & there", taking an Earthling every now and then for scientific research, then returning them later to Earth. We as Earthlings DO hold potential for advancement, BUT we have to stop fighting omongst our selves all the time. If we want to be recognized as a PEACEFUL planet, we have to SHOW it with our actions, not just mere words or written proclamations. I know they are out there, just waiting for us to show our advancement toward peace, but obviously we have a long, long way to go. When we show that we can get along with our fellow earthlings, then after a long period of time, the aliens MIGHT let us join them . or at least let us know they ARE out there. One way we can show how smart / advanced we are is to stop bicvkering amongst our selves over the morse code issue, just keep it, and grow up.

[KA9VQF]

I’m not sure if there are advanced extraterrestrial life forms out there or not. I’m also not sure that they haven’t been here. I just wonder why if they are so advanced an all to make the trip here why do they seem to take the least educated and down right stupid people when they ‘abduct’ someone. Why not take a world leader or some kind professor that would have some kind of credibility when he is returned.
I must admit that I have seen some things that I can’t explain, even when I wasn’t in some kind of alcoholically altered state. I never got around to messing around with any other pharmaceutical {illegal or prescription} drugs and still can’t explain some of the things I’ve seen in the skies. It is beyond belief that we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy let alone the universe.
My dad always said if you get to feeling to big for your britches just look at the sky on a clear night and think about how tiny and insignificant you really are. #
Um…I think I might be rambling again. Hey hun, bring me another beer ok?
KA9VQF

[KA7RRA]

I just read the weekly daily news

They saying that John Kerry is a Allien becuse of his long face and robotic movement
kA7RRA

[KC9ECI]

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!

[kc0ebm]

I know this thread is somewhat tongue in cheek, so I don't want to spoil the party

BUT

The Bible is loaded with references of other "non-earthly" life forms.

I know that, not everybody believes what the Bible says, but for those who do, the question of whether or not we have been visited is utterly ridiculous.

And we know that the world is literally teaming with spiritual entities" constantly. Some even make their presence known occassionally. And some even allow men to see them as they are.

Those who don't take seriously the Bible must find a way to rationalize the existence of other worlds. Science cannot explain it, because the spirit world does not conform to the scientific model. Uncertain terms like, "UFO" and "Alien" are the only way we can explain life forms more advanced than our own. Man's carnal mind is not capable of even conceiving the heavenly realm, let alone explain it.

But the answer is given to us. The Bible says, "that which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit is spirit". While man is subject to the "Law of Physics", the spirit world is not bound by that law.

The Bible even tells us how we may escape the "Law of Physics" and join the heavenly realm of the spirit world. But that is another subject for another day.

While I don't claim to understand the spirit world, I understand that it exists and I accept that. I have never seen a spirit being that I am aware of. Neither have I ever seen any so called "UFOs". But when I do, I won't be viewing them as something which cannot be explained or understood. I won't be viewing them as something that man has never seen before. Nor will I be viewing them as something totally foreign to the Earth. I will be viewing them from a Biblical perspective, because the Bible is the only reliable source of knowlege about the spirit world. All other sources are suspect, especially if they are carnal sources.

I sure hope I didn't spoil this thread by being so serious.
But you guys touched on a subject that just fascinates the pants right off me and I had to say SOMETHING http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 09 2004,23:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...I'm from Norfolk which has seen several sightings of other life...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think this holds true for OUR Norfolk as well!


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[K4TET]

It is hard to decide which would be more daunting -

that we are not alone

or that we are.

Chris

[K3UD]

Maybe we are alone. We might be the first! Maybe it our destiny to be fruitful and multiply to eventually populate the universe.

Take a look at the book &quot;Rare Earth&quot; (why life may be uncommon in the universe)

73
George
K3UD

[WA2ZDY]

I think it is rather arrogant for us to think that out of zillions of &quot;other worlds,&quot; ours would be chosen to be the ONLY one with life and that we should be chosen to be the only true intelligent (yeah yeah, I know . . .) beings in the entire universe.

What I think of though is this. When we see movies about &quot;aliens,&quot; the aliens always seem to sort of look like us. There's nothing that says they would have to look like us.

We read the science news and learn that this place or that might have the necessary things to support life. Maybe they should say life &quot;as we know it.&quot; Who says other life forms would have to resemble life &quot;as we know it&quot; at all?

So theoretically, they could already be here. But since we are arrogant about it, we are only looking for what WE believe life should be.

As for the comment above about aliens seeing us as warmongering folks and turning around without visiting, that's an interesting point. We in the US have been considered by many to be the &quot;cops&quot; of the world. Iraq for example. The leadership in that country was busy killing their own people, so we went in to save the day. What would happen if an alien race decided to come straighten planet Earth out in much the same way?

(As it happens, I believe in our efforts internationally. I don't want this to turn into a Gulf War thread. But the analogy could make for good food for thought.)

For us to beleive we're the ONLY ones blessed with existence is just arrogant. True or not I don't know. It's not something I think about often. But when I do . . .

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WA2ZDY @ April 10 2004,05:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think it is rather arrogant for us to think....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
On these posts, you could just fill in the phrase with any conclusion at all and be pretty near the truth!

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Right now, somewhere out there, a group of Xylinglions is arguing over whether or not Zymurgian Code should be continued or dropped as a requirement to obtain an intergalactic operator's license.

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[W3MIV]

Note, please, that I was both tasteful and charitable in my refusal to draw this thread into the CBer bashing modes.

That is, of course, because there are no CBers out there in that great void.

They all came here!


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[W4MAJ]

If we are alone, what a terrible waste of space.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif How do we know that alien life forms will half way resemble our versions of man/ape configuration... they might resemble a lion, a giraffe, or even a hippopotamus (sp), be water breathers like a fish and with a short temper like a crocodile when cornered. We just dont know, they may be telepathic and can read our minds better than all of our words/ paper documents. They may know what we are going to do even before we do it. Then we may get caught on one side or another of an intergalactic war, that dont even concern us. We may get invaded by folks who are of the opinion that &quot; all white folks should die, no questions &quot; and assimilate all the white folks in your area...or...C B radio operators running 75,000 watts might make the &quot; first contact &quot; with an alien race and tell them where to land their ship, which happens to be at a truck stop in west Texas at 2 am . They may have been here for almost 100 years, and dont like our &quot; high tech &quot; ways, preferring the simple life, disguised as the AMISH. ......or.... they may come to our planet, and kill all the women, knowing that with out them our race will become extinct within 100 years, then the aliens can take over and turn the entire planet into an &quot; intergalactic truck stop &quot;....we just dont know.

[N0KLT]

To cure the UFO sighting problem in the little town in Scotland, simply send enough portable video cams so that every person in the village has one to carry with them at all times. The presence of video equipment has cut down the number of sightings here in the US, so no reason it won't work in Scotland. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73

Gary NØKLT

[KG4ZQZ]

- i'm still waiting for the Loch Ness monster... 'Nessie' could help make news around the world and paralyze the world media...

- of course, Nessie wouldn't last long, because of folks using the bumper sticker:

Nuke the Gay Baby Whales!

:-)

[ka1kjz]

All Your Base Are Belong To Us!

Forget SETI, lets search for Terrestrial Intelligence!

[W5HTW]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 09 2004,23:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is a article from Sky News London England.

You read and decide, if what is being reported is on the up and up!!!!



Are they among us?


I like the comment from reader #2 --- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ARE WE VISITED BY ALIENS?

A town in Scotland has been named the place with the most alien sightings in Britain.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Are we alone? Not me. Got a wife and six cats.

Aliens? Yep, plenty of them. Most of them speak Spanish.

Ed

[N0KLT]

If there is intelligent life out in the vast universe, it is my fervent prayer that their females look like 7 of 9. Now that's my idea of an alien.

[w5klb]

I have seen one and only one UFO. It was in the early 70's and was spotted west of town. My Mother had one those portible Radio Shack &quot;Astronaut 6&quot; that you could pick the police band on and we heard them talking about it. Yep, there it was. Looked like two bright lights and they were too brilliant to make out a shape. It must of hovered for about 5 minutes and then it took off and was gone!

We are not alone. We can't be. To many stars and the universe is so vast. But I do think that if they ever decided to pay us a visit and see how we humans treat each other, they would probably think &quot;Oooops...wrong planet!&quot; http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[KB1GYQ]

If there are aliens out there, they've been watching our TV shows for years and have determined SOL 3 to the the insane asylum for this end of the galaxy... I think there are many aliens living on our planet at the moment, as TV and movie writers and producers.

[KA9VQF]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0KLT @ April 10 2004,18:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If there is intelligent life out in the vast universe, it is my fervent prayer that their females look like 7 of 9. Now that's my idea of an alien.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Me too I think I'd love to be turned down for a date with a really attractive unit like that.

[KC9ECI]

I'd settle for Janeway if I couldn't get one that looked like 7 of 9. Shucks, I'd even take the Borg Queen.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Like the man said in the earlier post...IF camcorders were given out to every one, reports would fall to nearly zero ( bettery died, forgot to take lens caps off, etc ). And if aliens can recieve our radio / tv programs...after they watch a few &quot; mork &amp; mindy or partridge family &quot; tv shows, listen to Howard Stern a few times, and talk to a few choice C B radio ops; it would be NO WONDER they are staying away ( but laughing while they are staying away ). That would be our luck, first contact would be to some 75,000 watt SHOOTOUT folks who are on drugs, and give the entire human race a bad impression http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ---you never know !! They may have already been here, and left.

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ April 11 2004,12:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...listen to Howard Stern a few times, and #talk to a few choice C B radio ops....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I like the way you worked that in; damn, that's talent!

[N5LNL]

Well, I wasnt alone last night, darnit she was good. ha ha ha, sorry!!!!

[N0KLT]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5wpw @ April 10 2004,23:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have seen one and only one UFO. &lt;snip&gt;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I see a lot of UFOs. Every time we got to the local all-you-can-eat-buffets, esp the oriental ones, we see lots of UFOs (Unidentified Fried Object)s


73

Gary NØKLT

[KG4WRA]

If aliens came to visit earth every so often, don't you think our satellites, or the astronauts aboard the ISS, would be able to see something float by the window on it's way to our atmosphere?

I'm not ruling out the possability of other life out there in the universe, but I think we would know it if they decided to take a round-trip vacation to earth.

[ae4fa]

I remain amused that only two paradigms seem to be in play whenever other life is discussed.

The UFOlogosts subscribe to the one that assumes 'the others' are far more advanced than we.

Many cinemagraphic [sp] efforts (StarTrek, etc.) assume we are the most highly intelligent of all, while others are gaining. The funniest StarTrek was the one with evolved dogs as the adversary . . .

Both assume all life is carbon based.

Really not much range of thought going on lately. Where are Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, et al when we need them?

[w5alt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ae4fa @ April 11 2004,21:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The UFOlogosts subscribe to the one that assumes 'the others' are far more advanced than we .[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, the assumption is that if they got here first, then they must be better, because we can't get there. On the other hand, maybe ending up here isn't so smart after all. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Many cinemagraphic [sp] efforts (StarTrek, etc.) assume we are the most highly intelligent of all, while others are gaining. #The funniest StarTrek was the one with evolved dogs as the adversary . . . [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, obviously, if we can go there before they get here, we must be smarter. Then again, maybe we're the only ones not smart enough to get out of the sewer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really not much range of thought going on lately. #Where are Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, et al when we need them?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
One of my favorite short SF stories was one by Asimov that ends with the expression &quot;Dumb a**es!&quot;

73,

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I still wonder why we can not launch our NASA space shuttles from the top of the &quot; modified 757 &quot; jet airliner they have used to transmport the shuttle from the Mojave desert, back to Cape Canveral ( sp ) in Florida. They can use it to carry the shuttle like that, so why can not the modified air liner be used on take - off ? The idea is relatively simple : Fly the modified airliner up as high in the atmosphere as it can go with the shuttle riding &quot; piggy back &quot; , un - lock the &quot; holding clamps &quot; that clamp the SHUTTLE to the craft, the air liner begins a rapid DESCENT ( fall ) back toward earth, while the SHUTTLE fires its engines and goes UP toward the areas where it would orbit the earth. The only complicated part would be the &quot; unlocking of the clamps &quot; to seperate the vehicles. No external fuel tanks would be required ( no more falling tiles ). Maybe it IS too simple.

Fuel still needs to be carried inside the shuttle, and I do not know that the 757 could lift the shuttle and enough fuel.

But the concept you describe is far from impossible - in fact, it's commonplace. It is used all the time for launches using the small Pegasus launch vehicle. It rides under an airplane and then takes off.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif That is what I am talking about, fuel in the shuttle to fire the shuttles engines, but the total elimination of the &quot; external tanks &quot;. It could not be any worse than what they are doing now. Plus, IF the shuttles engines did not work, coast in for a landing in Florida / California. ( some one is gonna jump in about now and say &quot; listen to those ham radio wannabee rocket scientists &quot; ) ( hi hi )...but I dont mind ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ---in many ways the simple ways work lots better!--- ===ai4ep===

I am a rocket scientist... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Almost. Another year and I'll have my degree in astronautics.

Sometimes I think the only reason I signed up for this insanely hard major is so that whenever someone says &quot;you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out&quot; I can reply disappointedly &quot;but I am!&quot;

Going back to the topic of are we alone: in one of my classes, we have space news discussions for a few minutes every lesson. We proved that there IS life beyond Earth: Back when the Spirit rover was having problems, we figured out that martians were sneaking up at night and unplugging stuff.

[kg4kww]

<span style='color:red'>Here's an update from Sky News London.</span>

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ALIENS HEAD FOR HIGHLANDS # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

A Scottish town has landed the other worldly accolade of being named Britain's top spot for alien sightings.

Bonnybridge has racked up an average of more an 100 UFO sightings each month.


Not content with that impressive feat, the Stirlingshire town has also nabbed the title for greatest variety of spaceships spotted.

Its 5,450 residents have described seeing everything from flying saucers to cigar-shaped craft in the skies.

Firemen and a police helicopter pilot are among the people to have reported sightings, breaking the stereotype of the normal UFO watcher.

Bonnybridge was named in the list compiled by Grolsch which featured Cley Hill, Wiltshire, second home to more than 50 years of sightings over an Iron Age fort.

Third was The Great Orme in Llandudno, North Wales, where a family claimed to have lost five hours after being followed by a triangular aircraft.

But standing out from the rest is Bonnybridge, whose residents are so proud of its status that councillors are trying to get it twinned with that other famous sci-fi Mecca - Roswell.

The findings were compiled by Nick Pope and will form part of a book called How To Be Abducted By Aliens.

<span style='color:blue'>Top 10 spots for alien sightings

1 Bonnybridge, Stirlingshire

2 Cley Hill, Wiltshire

3 Great Orme, Llandudno

4 Bedhampton, Hampshire

5 Walthamstow, London

6 Bonsall, Derbyshire

7 Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk

8 Bexleyeath, Kent

9 Glastonbury Tor, Somerset

10 Lewisham, London</span>

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif oooook...now...where in the continental U S A are the most U F O sightings in the past year, or even back to the year 2000 ? ((send those folks some cam corders , that will scare those U F O s away !! ...hee hee hee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ) )) ---ai4ep---

[kd7eze]

Beam me up...Scotty http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[AI4AQ]

Well..........

According to the Drake Equation, there should be between 5 and 5000 intelligent civilizations in the galaxy. And according to spectrographic analysis, there is Glycine and Alanine (2 amimo acids) in the starforming region behind the Orion Nebula, about 820 parsecs away. However, I think the distances between are so vast that the only means of interaction would be electromagnetic. And think of that for a minute. The nearest sun like star is Alpha Centauri, about 3.2 light years away. That means 6.4 years between &quot;Hi&quot; and &quot;Well, Hello&quot; Another 6.4 years for &quot;how are you?&quot; another 6.4 years for &quot;Not bad, how are you?&quot;
Well, you see where I'm heading with this, and that's only the nearest star.....

If there is an intelligent civilization out there in the relatively near distance, their scientists are trying to decipher the secret meanings of The Honeymooners and I Love Lucy......

73, and keep looking up http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
AI4AQ

[W0UZR]

Ever get a hunch that some people that post here are from a different planet?

Well anyway,,I have a sort of a friend, (known him for years), that's a retired research physicists. And he claims that he was one of the people that was with the military on that Roswell thing. He swears up and down that he's seen what was there and it wasn't a weather balloon.

So, who knows. With all the weird thing that happen on earth, why not. If you listen to Art Bell long enough, he will have you convinced that there is terrestrials around.

Back to my &quot;Friend&quot; again. He thinks that the way the aliens from other galaxies can get here is because there are black holes up there that are a warp in space and time. And all they have to do is go through the right black hole, and they are here in no time.

[w5klb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 11 2004,22http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1208058.jpg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wish they'd quit taking pictures of my ex-wife. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #

She doesn't always look that way-sometimes it's worse. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[kg4kww]

kd5wpw, if your Ex looks like that, then you need to stop using CW and switch to PHONE as means of communication and get some glasses buddy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #Also, there could be a look alike for your ex somewhere out there on a distant planet. Remember they are out there!!

They could be on MARS watching the rovers from a distance, and we don't know it!!

Where's capitan Kirk when you need him. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kn6z]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ April 11 2004,20:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That is what I am talking about, fuel in the shuttle to fire the shuttles engines, but the total elimination of the #&quot; external tanks &quot;.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you drop the shuttle from six miles high, at a leisurely 500 mph or so, with no external fuel tank, it would have no chance of making it into a 200 mile high orbit. You haven't said whether you want to eliminate the solid boosters as well. Without the external tank, the shuttle only has enough fuel to maneuver after achieving orbit, and for the retro burn that brings it down.

[kn6z]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w5alt @ April 11 2004,19:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ae4fa @ April 11 2004,21:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The UFOlogosts subscribe to the one that assumes 'the others' are far more advanced than we .[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, the assumption is that if they got here first, then they must be better, because we can't get there.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Not only that, but if any other technology does exist, the chances are exceedingly small that its state of developement would match ours. Virtually any other state of developement it might in will exceed ours because technological civilization on this planet is brand new (on the cosmic time scale).

[ai4ep]

to kn6z: you do understand my basic idea, that is all I am trying to do...thanks for your input !! ---ai4ep---

[kn6z]

I do understand your thinking. You just need a bigger, faster, higher-flying plane. And you may need to help it along with solid boosters, and an external fuel tank...

[kg4kww]

dudes, once again you missed earth orbit http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Ok, the problem that needs to be solved, is to be able to have a space plane that can take off like a plane and when it gets to a certian altitude, the pilot hits the switch and fires the main impluse engines. Now, hard is it for you to visualize a space plane with jet engines under the wings and rocket engine exhausts in the rear for the impluse engines.

Gees, do I have to tell you guys every thing!!!

Ok, better yet, lets try and capture a UFO when it lands!!

later

[k5rna]

Gee.IF any aliens ever do come here from another planet and try to learn the english language from watching our tv programs they will only learn four words.F,S,HS,and MF.

[kn6z]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 13 2004,18:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the pilot hits the switch and fires the main impluse engines.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Impulse engine. What's that?

[VE7LFN]

Oh sure, they're out there. The question is.. does dubya lay awake at night wondering if they have weapons of mass destuction #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kg4kww]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kn6z Impulse engine. #What's that? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Gees, haven't you ever watched Star Trek?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

If Capitan Kirk can have it, why can't we.

Also, note, on Star Trek, Star Wars and all of our space missions of the present century and past, they have used phone, not CW http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Wow!! maybe NASA is sending a message to the amateur world!!!

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif ....uh...has any one told him that &quot; star trek &quot; and &quot; star wars &quot; are not reality ? They are just tv shows / movies .......If not, some one has to break him the news. ---ai4ep---

[kn6z]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 14 2004,07:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kn6z Impulse engine. #What's that? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Gees, haven't you ever watched Star Trek?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

If Capitan Kirk can have it, why can't we.

Also, note, on Star Trek, Star Wars and all of our space missions of the present century and past, they have used phone, not CW http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Wow!! maybe NASA is sending a message to the amateur world!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh sure. I've seen every episode of the original many times. I just didn't know whether to take you seriously or not.

Well, umm.. in the Star Trek movie about 'VEEJUR' they didn't use 'phone! It was a binary code. I mean it had 'ones and zeros' (just like a certain code we all know about!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif where the 'ones' are the sound of the tone and the 'zeros' are the silent parts between the tones. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

So it took a 'binary code' to SAVE THE EARTH! From the scope display on the 'Enterprise' the display of the binary code going out looked SUSPICIOUSLY what the GRAPHICAL representation of CW wojudl look like if you tapped your audio line and watched a scope display and sent 20WPM code groups from a keyer.

You'd see the same type pattern on your scope that the Enterprise folks saw on theirs!

SO, CW SAVED THE DAY!!!!

S O T H E R E! (brrappppp!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w5klb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 13 2004,14:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kd5wpw, if your Ex looks like that, then you need to stop using CW and switch to PHONE as means of communication and get some glasses buddy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #Also, there could be a look alike for your ex somewhere out there on a distant planet. Remember they are out there!!

They could be on MARS watching the rovers from a distance, and we don't know it!!

Where's capitan Kirk when you need him. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Say it aint so!!!

For years I've tried to tell my ex-wife that the Earth was full and she needed to go home. Durring our &quot;marriage&quot;, it was suggest to me to notify the Health Department before she went out anywhere.


&quot;Beam me up Scotty, there's no intellegent life here.&quot; http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #

[kg4kww]

DUDES, CAN WE TALK, like there are other forms of life out there in space some where, we on Earth have just not found a way to communicate to them.

I would hope that space people, would be advanced enough to use PHONE and not require CW as a form of granting one of their space people a radio license to communicate to other worlds.

DUDES, there is life out there somewhere and they are watching us to see how advanced we are.

So, think about it, by the time we put a person on MARS, most of us will more than likely be pushing up daisys. I would like to see it done in my life time but, the wind bags in congress keep getting in the way.

So, for now just sit back and turn your stacked arrays to the heavens, crank up the amp to 1kw and let rip. Who knows maybe you might get lucky.

Cheers

Also remember in Independence Day, we used CW to tell all the other countries around the world how to beat the aliens!!! They even showed guys tapping it out on keys.

[ac3p]

I think there is life out there, but in the Creator's infinite wisdom we are spaced so far a part that one planet's intelligent life cannot contaminate another.

Except for that Martian Air Defense Command that has a pretty good record of foiling those space invaders from that planet that keeps blocking their view of the Sun.

73

Frank http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ac3p]

On the other hand, with all those amateur astronomers out there every night with their telecopes and photographic equipment, why is it that they never report seeing UFOs ?

Could it be that they have a good knowledge of what's up there so they are IFO's instead?

73

Frank AC3P http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kg4kww]

DUDES, like I said before, Earth folks just don't have the correct gear to detect alien life forms. And as for the flick Independence Day, how hokey can you get. Like, alien space ships are going to have rigs with keyers. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The aliens and other advanced life forms use PHONE, they realized light years ago, that CW was outdated, and had their versions of the FCC get rid of it.

As for Martian air defense, you could be right!! After all it does seem a little strange that so many craft have crashed while attempting to land on MARS!!

Think about it.

Later, my dish antenna is getting a signal from plant ALFA-X.

Exactly! The evil aliens could not understand CW, so we beat them by using it!

[kg4kww]

In the movie Frequency, they used phone to catch the bad guy and save the day, NOT CW!!!

Now, as I was saying, aliens are to advanced to use an outdated mode of communication(CW). They use phone transmitted by brain waves, thus the the need for the two vertical antennas on their heads. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Now, on a more serious note, I belive that their are life forms out there some where and who knows, maybe they have received transmissions from Earth and have attempted to respond. The problem could be that our equipment is not good enough to receive their signals. Think about it.

73

In one of the Star Trek movies, Scotty sends a message to Bones and Kirk being trapped in a cage or something. Bones recognizes the CW and translates &quot;stand clear&quot; just as Scotty blows the wall and effects the rescue.
Gotcha
N7SYY

[kg4kww]

Key Pad Communicators on Star Trek ? I don't think so!!
Unles the budget hit an all time low or maybe the show did!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Now, like I said In the movie Frequency, they used phone to catch the bad guy and save the day, NOT CW!!!

HEHEHEHEEEE!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Now, on a more serious note, I belive that their are life forms out there some where and who knows, maybe they have received transmissions from Earth and have attempted to respond. The problem could be that our equipment is not good enough to receive their signals. Think about it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Remember we are not alone!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[K6UEY]

Could part of the problem be our Amateurs spend too much time, wasted on the Internet,and not enough time advancing their knowledge and status, so they could intercept and comprehend the Alien response? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Amateur Radio offers a vast amount of knowledge and skill to be learned, but those who stay at the entry level status are only doing a half vast job of being an Amateur Radio#Operator !! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was a binary code. I mean it had 'ones and zeros' (just like a certain code we all know about![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Well, first, don't take this as a flame, it's really not.

Second, don't take this very seriously, it's just my half-baked brain's attempt at 'theory', just stuff I ramble over in my head while I'm working on a project or something, remember, I'm a code geek, so I think weird stuff sometimes.

Anyway, I at first thought of CW as a form of Binary, but it's really not. #Binary = 2 possible signals, on or off, while CW offers a variety of signal possibilities, on-short, on-long, off-short, off-long. #Maybe some strange variety of Hex? #Since the on-long is 3X on-short, when you add the iterations you come up with 6 notations, as long as you count the off-short and off-long as a single null value.

Bah, anyway, I've just had fun thinking of this, and have been playing around with simple CW-Hex (which isn't true Base16, but it's fun to A-F convert anyway, and doable even if it makes no sense and is useless.) conversion routines.

Well, the only real reason I jumped in, is because you really can't do a binary-CW comparison because binary offers no viable way to include the null values required for spacing.

Ahhh, just thought some of you might get a kick out of it, wasn't trying to sound like an insufferable know-it-all. #I'm heading back to my little hole that I code in now...

73.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif We as humans are such a &quot; war - like &quot; culture, no wonder they stay away. They see how we treat our own people. ---ai4ep---

[KA9VQF]

Yes I, i mean my people, no we, ….the aliens yeah the aliens have indeed been here and decided to post a few or us, I mean them on this backwater planet in the far reaches of the galaxy to see if you,.. I mean we really shoot first and ask questions later when it comes to extraterrestrial life like on so many of your, I mean our movies.

[N8CPA]

I mentioned this in another thread. #There was an episode of Star Trek, &quot;Space Seed.&quot; #In the opening segment, the officers are standing on the bridge discussing an object directly ahead of them.

Suddenly the speaker comes to life: #&quot;-.-. --.- #-.-. --.-&quot;
Uhura says, &quot;It's old Morse code. #CQ CQ...&quot;
&quot;We all read it, lieutenant,&quot; #Kirk rebuffs with a roll of his eyes.

As far as life on other planets, I say definitely. #In the last 30 years, we discovered creatures living in pressure and heat environments that expanded the paradigm of where to look for life. #They were found living near undersea volcanoes, at extreme depths, far from the penetration of sunlight. #The basis of their food chain is chemosynthesis, rather than photosynthesis. #

However, since we all live in the same universe as any extraterrestrial civilizations, and have had the same amount of time to develop technology, it is unlikely that they are so much more advanced than we are. #So it is unlikely that we have been visited by any such beings.
We also share and work against the same known laws of physics and it has yet to be proven in practical way, that the speed of light is only a barrier to be overcome. There are theories, but no practical ways to test them.

I expect that some time in the next decade, that there will be an announcement that some microscopic fossils have been found on Mars. #All we know about natural water pockets on our own planet, is that they invariably mean life. #I doubt Mars will prove any different.

Steve

[kn6z]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8CPA @ April 17 2004,04:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However, since we all live in the same universe as any extraterrestrial civilizations, and have had the same amount of time to develop technology, it is unlikely that they are so much more advanced than we are.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It is very likely that if we detect another technological civilization, it will far exceed our own. This planet has had technology for only a blink of an eye compared to the age of the universe. Other technologies could have been developing for the billions of years that passed before we got here.

[KG4WRA]

Simple answer... yes, we're alone here on earth. As for out there in the universe, who the heck knows.

[w6ez]

Isn’t the rule that more advanced civilizations find the lesser advanced ones? I doubt we will find anyone brighter than us.
I don’t recall ever hearing that the Bronze Age folks in the new world sailed across the sea and discovered Spain.

[kn6z]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6ez @ April 17 2004,10:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I doubt we will find anyone brighter than us.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Then we'll find no one at all. A technology much behind ours can't send any signals.

[w6ez]

That's probally true.
Too much time between us.

[w5klb]

Have any of you heard of a planet called &quot;Peg 51&quot;? I forget how many billions of light years away it is. It's a planet in the constellation Pegesus. It resides in a solar system that appears to be very simular to ours. They detected it by watching it's parent star and noticed the &quot;worbles&quot; in it's orbit. They suspect that there is life on it now, or has all the stuff for life such as an oxygen atmosphere and water. If we are alone (which I doubt), we won't be alone for long. Also if anyone's interested, there is the SETI project-Search for Extraterrestrial Intellegance. For a price they will send you the software so you can see what they are looking at right off your home computer.

Neat, huh? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KB1GYQ]

What even happened to the &quot;Search for Terrestrial Intellegance&quot; project? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w6ez]

&quot;...I forget how many billions of light years away it is...&quot;

You mean, may be or was... billions of light years means it may not even be there now.

Same with a radio signal detected from across the galaxy, or from another galaxy, or what ever..the signal started out so long ago the point of origin may not even exist now.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to know there was someone else out there, but the distances are too vast for any discovery of a radio signal to be anything other than a curiosity, unless it was &quot;local.&quot;

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5wpw @ April 18 2004,03http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif1)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Have any of you heard of a planet called &quot;Peg 51&quot;? I forget how many billions of light years away it is. It's a planet in the constellation Pegesus. It resides in a solar system that appears to be very simular to ours. They detected it by watching it's parent star and noticed the &quot;worbles&quot; in it's orbit. They suspect that there is life on it now, or has all the stuff for life such as an oxygen atmosphere and water. If we are alone (which I doubt), we won't be alone for long. Also if anyone's interested, there is the SETI project-Search for Extraterrestrial Intellegance. For a price they will send you the software so you can see what they are looking at right off your home computer.

Neat, huh? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That system is only 50 light years away. So they are watching I Love Lucy and stuff. And if they have invented radio in the last 50 years, we should be able to catch their signals with a big enough antenna.

However, the planet we found there is about the size of Jupiter, and is as close to its sun as Mercury is to ours. Not a chance of life on that planet. But that does not rule out the possibility of a smaller, terrestrial planet in a more distant orbit, which could possibly sustain life.

As for the seti thing, for a while I was running that SETI@home thing which analyzes data from the Arecibo telescope, right on your screen. As I remember it was free, but I don't know if they still do it anymore.

[kg4kww]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features/images/dsn-70m-150.jpg This is my DSN / EME Dish, and trust me dudes, they (aliens) are out there watching and listening.They prefer VOICE to CW, as CW went out years ago and they (the aliens) have progressed way past the stone age communication mode called CW. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

We are not alone, point your beams and dishes to the heavens and listen, you might be surprised.

I wonder if the ISS has picked transmissions from deep space and kept that fact a secret? This is not as far fetched as it sounds, think about it.

Imagine if we put a 70 meter dish on the moon, what it might pick up? What a scarey thought. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

We should put a HUGE dish on the moon. Back side, so it would never receive interference from earth. With the reduced gravity, we could build a giant structure with much less the support it would need on earth. Perhaps a 10 kilometer dish! All you need is the frame, and a wire mesh to reflect. Man that thing would be excellent.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 14 2004,07:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kn6z Impulse engine. #What's that? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Gees, haven't you ever watched Star Trek?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

If Capitan Kirk can have it, why can't we.

Also, note, on Star Trek, Star Wars and all of our space missions of the present century and past, they have used phone, not CW http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Wow!! maybe NASA is sending a message to the amateur world!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Umm, did you also know that they didnt even use radio. Nor did they use SSB, digital, SSTV, etc....

I suppose when CW died in the future, so did the entire HF spectrum.

[kg4kww]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> N7IC ... #Umm, did you also know that they didnt even use radio. #Nor did they use SSB, digital, SSTV, etc.... [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'> http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Then how were they able to send and receive messages if they didn't use radio?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

WOW!! imagine a world with out CW, now that's cool!!

CW gives me gas!!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

WOH, it stinks in here, I knew I should have stopped sending CW to mars!!!

[kg4kww]

Catchy Tune KD5WPW I like it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif However, think about this, NASA has a probe on it's way to Saturn which is due to arrive at the ringed planet around the end of June. Do you think it might pickup radio signals from the planet? Will the people of Saturn shoot down the probe?
Do they have hams on Saturn? Would it be cool to have a 6 meter repeater on Saturn? Remember we the people of Earth have never seen the surface of Saturn. And have you ever wondered why NASA has not attempted to land a probe on Saturn? Could there be life on Saturn and NASA is keeping it secret? The answers to these and other burning questions we hope will be answered when the probe arrives. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/saturn/images/PIA05385.jpg
Saturn The Ringed Planet. Could there be life on Saturn?

I'd FORGOTTEN about the episode where the entire bridge crew copies the CQ-CQ-CQ in CW that Lt. Uhura has emanating from the speaker!

So, in Star Trek they DID have to know CW and at a decent speed too! As I recall it was being sent at about 10WPM Or so..

Good thing that United Federation of Planets got smart and raised the requirement for knowing CW higher than 5WPM or else the Enterprise would have been destroyed!

No matter HOW far in the future you go.. CW is still there!

For 'Guest'.. CW is 'Interrupted Continuous Wave' with 'ONE' representing the &quot;ON&quot; state (TONE) and 'ZERO' representing the &quot;OFF&quot; state (lack of tone).

So, while the semantic differences you note may be true, CW 'IS' binary. It has 2 parts (Bi) and they are represented by discrete states of 'ON' and 'OFF'. The fact that the mechanism is 'presence of tone' for &quot;ON&quot; and 'absense of tone' for &quot;OFF&quot;, does not negate the fact that it IS binary.

one could also make it fit that CW (ICW to be accurate) is 'DIGITAL' as well since it has TONE ON for a '1' and TONE OFF for a 'zero', although I grant you can make a case that CW does not depend on a 'upper level max' for it's recognition of being 'on', since the brains' response to sound is logarthymic and once a certain level is reached it takes far more sound to be perceived as a higher amplitude. Therefore it may not be 'digital' in the sense of needing to reach a specified amplitude to be identified as a '1' or below a level to be a 'zero'.

But CW *IS* BINARY and I believe would fit the DIGITAL definition (butI allow that it can be argued it's not digital)

K3FT


Of course, that PEG51, about 50 light years away, is STILL trying to figure out just WHAT does 'TEN FOUR! BRING IT ON BACK TO THE ONE DOWNSHIFTER! HOW BOUTCHA SKIPLAND??!!! SKIPLAND!!! HOW BOUCTHA SKIPLAND!!!??? &lt;pinnngg.... squeeealll...&gt; mean. They may view that as indicators that humanity is still in the stage of devopling communications skills and not want to come see us until we do!

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ April 20 2004,07:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No matter HOW far in the future you go.. CW is still there![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Fly fast enough and far enough and you could intercept Guglielmo Marconi's first transmission, or listen in on the last transmissions from RMS Titanic, perhaps eavesdrop on the relays from Cape Race.

[ac3p]

Or all of our OF's first shakey CQs in the Novice Band.

73

Frank http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kg4kww]

Now that sounds cool if we were able to catch up with those transmissions. You might even be able to see the first TV Pictures, now that would be cool.

KD5WPW, I think Jupiter is a very interesting plant too. And I have wondered why we haven't landed a probe on the surface of Jupiter. I would like to see what the surface looks like and wht type of life forms if any would or could be on the planet. I would love to see some pictures transmitted back of the inside of the big red spot, I think that would be very interesting.

I think it would be neet to put a repeater on each of the planets and have a intersteller repeater system. I wonder if it would speed up transmissions to and from Earth?

Later
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/jupiter-flyby/images/iss_001023A.jpg

I'd like to go far enough ahead to be able to send a reply back to the question 'What hath God wrought?' which would be 'The start of the code/no code battle!' http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

K3FT

[kg4kww]

Oh http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

K3FT, Do you think some one on Jupiter will answer? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gifhttp://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/jupiter-flyby/images/iss_001023A.jpg

KWW, they might.. but I don't know what emission type they'd use. I guess they'd use some prefix like 'JO' for Jovian, unless that gets into the realm of teh already allocated JA range of prefix's for Japan.

K3FT

[n0ov]

If there are INTELLIGENT beings they are either shaking their heads or laughing their butts off at us.

Little earthlings -- so little we know.
Play nice with the other little earthlings -- don't blow yourselves up!

[af2cw]

KWW, since the red spot is a storm on the planet that is
constantly moving across the planet I doubt they would
be able to receive pictures from it since the camera would
be destroyed.

[WF7I]

yes

[KA9VQF]

Something to think about,... the earth spins on its axis once every 24 hours. It also progresses approximately 1/365th of the way around the sun. Now the galaxy and the universe are also expanding.
From observing my little lawn sprinkler that is shaped like a tractor and is self-propelled as it distributes the water over my grass, I got to thinking that the emissions from our radio and televisions must have the same type of spread.
I’m pretty sure that is why NASA uses those large focused dishes to beam their information at a part of the sky that their spacecraft are going to be {not where they are right now} sort of like leading a clay pidgin at the skeet range.
I suppose an advanced enough race could have a craft that could nip along at the proper speed to catch the emissions, but I’ll bet they wouldn’t do it for very long.

I don't think that Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune even have surfaces in the terrestrial sense that we know them. They are gas planets and as I understand it their density increases exponentially as you go deeper into them - from a tenuous atmosphere, to a thicker and thicker atmosphere, reaching an extremely compressed, superhot gas at the core. I don't think that these planets have surfaces to land on in the way that all the small planets do.

But they all have plenty of large moons, and we could certainly land stuff on these moons.

An interplanetary repeater system would be a good idea. It would not speed communications, but it could relay them so that you have a much stronger signal at the destination. Thus you don't need as big antennas or as much power at either end.

However we would need them not only on planets and moons, but also in random orbits around the sun, to fill the dead space.

[kg4kww]

kg2hg -- I agree that a camera might get destroyed but, why can't NASA use a radar beam sent with high intensity(serious power) from a probe to give us an image of the surface of Jupiter and its Storm. I mean they do this type of imaging of the ocean floor so, why can't it be done from a space probe?

KC0RIQ -- like I just said why can't they use radar to image the surface of Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus?

K3FT -- you are right we don't know what type of transmitters #beings #from another world might be using but, it would be fun to find out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Maybe NASA should try to fly a probe straight through Jupiter or Saturn to see if they even have surfaces in the terrestrial sense that we know them.

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/jupiter-flyby/images/iss_001023A.jpg

[kn6z]

It takes next to no effort to read about the internal structure and properties of these planets: temperatures, pressures, and physical state at various depths.

[kc9ewy]

If you ever want to talk to the &quot;ailiens&quot; go to the FRS band, there all over there http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kg4kww]

Thanks -- kc9ewy -- I wondered what all that noise was... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think we are being watch by other being who may have infiltrated our ranks. It's possible you know.

I would like to see the gear an alien would to talk on, Don't you think that would be cool?

[KG4CGC]

I would like to see the gear an alien would to talk on, Don't you think that would be cool?
# # # #They use telephathy. Thought, you knew that.


Who is watching us? Big Brother of course, through the power grid.

[oz1kse]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ae4fa @ April 11 2004,18:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I remain amused that only two paradigms seem to be in play whenever other life is discussed. #

The UFOlogosts subscribe to the one that assumes 'the others' are far more advanced than we.

Many cinemagraphic [sp] efforts (StarTrek, etc.) assume we are the most highly intelligent of all, while others are gaining. #The funniest StarTrek was the one with evolved dogs as the adversary . . .

Both assume all life is carbon based.

Really not much range of thought going on lately. #Where are Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, et al when we need them?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I assume the gentlemen in question are presently en route to their home galaxies.
They probably gave up searching for intelligent life in this solar system.

[kg4kww]

Really KG4CGC, BIG BROTHER is watching us through the power grid? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Is that why we had a blackout last year? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Could aliens has zappedsome power from us for their space ship? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Are the people in IRAQ aliens? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

If aliens use brain waves to communicate, then where are their verticals? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

I think we will find some really strange stuff when the probe reaches Saturn in JULY. Don't you?

What do you all think about establishing a intergalactic repeater system?

Later Dudes

[kg4llq]

Let's consider this:
Assume the &quot;Big Bang&quot; theory is reasonably correct/accurate. With this in mind, then the universe would have been created within a short space of time. What we see now from the Hubble telescope, as it searches the far far reaches of the universe is light that was sent eons ago.
Now, based on this assumption, then other civilizations, if they exist, will be of similar age as ours and in a similary condition. Their technology would be similar to ours in terms of advancement.
Therefore, if we can't send manned vehicles further than the Moon (which we can't even do NOW), how can other civilizations travel to us?
If some wise person would explain this paradox away, then please let me know (in layman's terms).
73,
Ken - KG4LLQ

[W3MIV]

LLQ:

In the first place, your hypothesis stands upon the creation/appearance of life on Earth, which was only possible within the narrow window of opportunity offered by the creation of our local star, the Sun. Something like 8 billion years, give or take a few.

Other stars in other galaxies are far older than our Sun, thus could have spawned planetary systems long before our star was ever created. Right now, even as we pursue this thread, new stars are being born in far off clouds of hydrogen. In billions of years, they too might coalesce in a pattern that yields planetary debris and eventually gives rise to life.

No one can put a date on the hypothetical &quot;big bang&quot; that may have started all of this, and no one can find enough matter to arrest the current expansion and reverse the process to a hypothetical &quot;big crunch.&quot;

Some folks believe that the expansion/contraction of our &quot;universe&quot; is cyclical; if true, how many advanced civilizations have already come and gone? How many are out there right now, waiting for BPL to plug the ears of our radio telescopes so that their invasion fleets can proceed earthbound without timely detection?

Will the earth be conquered? Stay tuned for the next episode of

QRZ Unleashed

Brought to you by Lava Soap...

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[kf5er]

So the aliens land, ask you to take them to
your leader. Who do you take them to?
ARRL?

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kf5er @ April 28 2004,14:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the aliens land, ask you to take them to
your leader. Who do you take them to?
ARRL?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
To Schubert, of course.

Oh, wait a minute, you said LEADER. Sorry.

[N0PU]

For their sake and ours DON'T take them to the White House...

They'll turn them over to Ashcroft, who'll lock them up as 'war criminals', and Bush and company will plan an invasion of their homeland...

[kg4kww]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> KF5ER -- So the aliens land, ask you to take them to your leader. Who do you take them to?
ARRL? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Michael Powell http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[w6ez]

I don't really understand why we have to spend all the money we do on exploration. All we really need to do I refer to George Adamski's accounts from the 1950's at or near Mt. Polmar Ca and all our questions will be answered.
We are on the wrong track with all this long distance stuff.
There are &quot;locals&quot; we should be contacting if only the goberment would fess up.

(hard to type with tounge so firmly pressed into cheek...)

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif When the aliens arrive and say those famous words &quot; take me to your leader &quot;...just say &quot; our leader wont talk to you,. he/she thinks you dont exist; he/she is too busy to waste time with you. Here, hide your space ship over yonder ( points in a discreet direction ) and sit here, have a cold one, and visit us for a few days. This is how the ordinary folks here on planet EARTH exist. You will learn far more by spending a few days here with the ordinary folks than with a few hours with the &quot; leaders &quot;. We can take you to town, ride through the country, let you watch our tv news broadcasts, read our newspapers, listen to our radios ) am/fm &amp; { of course } amateur radio { but not 75 meters } ( hee hee hee ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif , and see what goes on in an ordinary week amongst the common folk here on EARTH. You can learn how we eat, sleep, work, play and generally enjoy our lives. Then after a few days, you might still want to see our LEADERS, or you might just want to go back to your space ship and leave. Us earthlings really arent all that bad, just a few make the rest LOOK worse than we really are. You problably have some &quot; trouble makers &quot; back on the planet you came from.

Aliens might like that kind of treatment far more than being sent to meet with our &quot;leaders &quot; who might just give them the wrong impression about all human life here on earth.

Let an alien sit n your back porch and watch the sun set, listen to the birds sing, a cat curl up in its lap and go to sleep...let a puppy dog bark at it in a friendly way and go chase a stick. Let the aliens ride a horse, drive a farm tractor, change the oil in a car, wash dishes in a sink. Let them sweep a floor, fix cereal for the kids, play jump rope in the yard; go to a baseball/football game. The LEADERS of our fine planet wont let them do that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Think about it.

73

---ai4ep---

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ai4ep @ April 28 2004,15:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif When the aliens arrive and say those famous words &quot; take me to your leader &quot;...just say &quot; our leader wont talk to you,. he/she thinks you dont exist; he/she is too busy to waste time with you. Here, hide your space ship over yonder ( points in a discreet direction ) and sit here, have a cold one, and visit us for a few days. #This is how the ordinary folks here on planet EARTH exist. #You will learn far more by spending a few days here with the ordinary folks than with a few hours with the &quot; leaders &quot;. We can take you to town, ride through the country, let you watch our tv news broadcasts, read our newspapers, listen to our radios ) am/fm &amp; { of course } amateur radio { but not 75 meters } ( hee hee hee ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif , and see what goes on in an ordinary week amongst the common folk here on EARTH. You can learn how we eat, sleep, work, play and generally enjoy our lives. #Then after a few days, you might still want to see our LEADERS, or you might just want to go back to your space ship and leave. Us earthlings really arent all that bad, just a few make the rest LOOK worse than we really are. You problably have some &quot; trouble makers &quot; back on the planet you came from.

Aliens might like that kind of treatment far more than being sent to meet with our &quot;leaders &quot; who might just give them the wrong impression about all human life here on earth.

Let an alien sit n your back porch and watch the sun set, listen to the birds sing, a cat curl up in its lap and go to sleep...let a puppy dog bark at it in a friendly way and go chase a stick. Let the aliens ride a horse, drive a farm tractor, change the oil in a car, wash dishes in a sink. Let them sweep a floor, fix cereal for the kids, play jump rope in the yard; go to a baseball/football game. The LEADERS of our fine planet wont let them do that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Think about it.

73

---ai4ep---[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Think about what http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[W3MIV]

IT

[kg4kww]

Dudes, My Fellow Hamsters, Like, lend me your frequency for a moment (I like it so, far http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) !! Like, those of you who are old enough to remember that the government has already tried to do a cover up on alien landings on our planet? remember New Mexico!!! Helloooooo, they have been here to Earth and for all we know, they could have assumed our form and be among us. Yes, dudes, you may have done the wild thing with a alien and didn't know it!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif And guess what they didn't have to use CW for communications, now that's what I call being advanced.

As for Mt Polmar, that's a cool place but it needs to be updated with the latest gear.

Lets see what the NASA Probe that heading to Saturn discovers when it arrives in July. We may strick pay dirt.

[w5alt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 28 2004,21:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">... #Like, those of you who are old enough to remember that the government has already tried to do a cover up on alien landings on our planet? remember New Mexico!!! Helloooooo, they have been here to Earth and for all we know, they could have assumed our form and be among us. Yes, dudes, you may have done the wild thing with a alien and didn't know it!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Is that a testimonial? Or are you just speaking from personal experience?

73,

[af2cw]

Now Walt, you know Commander Zoomie (aka kww)of the Space Cadets has all the latest info on all of this.
I bet he's still trying to get his antennae up like Martin
from My Favorite Martian!!! Keep trying Commander,
you'll get it sooner or later.

[w6ez]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 28 2004,18:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dudes, My Fellow Hamsters, Like, lend me your frequency for a moment (I like it so, far http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) !! Like, those of you who are old enough to remember that the government has already tried to do a cover up on alien landings on our planet? remember New Mexico!!! Helloooooo, they have been here to Earth and for all we know, they could have assumed our form and be among us. Yes, dudes, you may have done the wild thing with a alien and didn't know it!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif And guess what they didn't have to use CW for communications, now that's what I call being advanced.

As for Mt Polmar, that's a cool place but it needs to be updated with the latest gear.

Lets see what the NASA Probe that heading to Saturn discovers when it arrives in July. We may strick pay dirt.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I can't wait until the first manned landing on the sun.
I know timing is critical and such a landing can only be done at night due to the intense heat.

[af2cw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6ez @ April 29 2004,01:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't wait until the first manned landing on the sun.
I know timing is critical and such a landing can only be done at night due to the intense heat.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's why NASA is planning on doing the landing on the
dark side of the sun. It's cooler there than on the light
side. Full details to be published soon.

[KC2KQH]

I wonder if they will follow our bandplan, or worse, what if the FCC has not advised them that it is illegal to listen to wireless phone conversations? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73, Ryan -KC2KQH

[kg4kww]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> <span style='color:red'>I wonder if they will follow our bandplan, or worse, what if the FCC has not advised them that it is illegal to listen to wireless phone conversations? #
73, Ryan -KC2KQH</span>[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

KC2KQH - Maybe you should point your antennas in their direction and send them a message, asking that same question.

Dudes, stop it already, like my sides are hurting from laughing so hard at your rather inane comments about landing on the sun and kg2hg who's the leader of the space cadets talking about him self.

What do expect to find on the SUN ? Fire people?

DUDES, DUDES, like be real, when the probe reaches Saturn we shall see what it finds in the way of life. And I hope the life forms will show you CW types how to communicate with out CW. #Luke Skywalker didn't need it and he beat the evil empire.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[af2cw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ April 29 2004,15:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">#Luke Skywalker didn't need it and he beat the evil empire.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
kww, how can you expect anyone to take your seriously
with the fine examples you give for not using code? Your
statement of &quot;get rid of CW or give me death&quot; is also
truly funny. Can't you see that there are people that are
laughing at you not with you? I can't speak for the
others here, but I am beginning to wonder if there is
anything between your ears other than a black hole.

You take in information yet there is nothing there to
indicated any intelligence. If you would refrain from your
use of Star Trek and Star Wars maybe, just maybe some
would take you seriously. I know I'm having a good
laugh at your posts Dude.

[kg4kww]

Folks I have included a link to a NASA site that will show you a video of the expected approach to Saturn of the NASA CASSINI probe.

Expected Approach To Saturn Of NASA CASSINI probe (http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/movies/cass2sat.mpg)

Now to be serious for a moment, all kidding aside, I think it will be interesting to see what this probe uncovers as it explores Saturn and it's moons. Titan so, they think may have the building blocks for life, if true, that would be quite a find as was the find of water once upon a time on MARS.

There is life in the solar system, we just haven't found it yet, or maybe we have and don't know it. If there is life out there somewhere, it would be interesting to find it and find out if the aliens out there have ever picked up any of our broadcasts from mother Earth. I for one would like to know. Wouldn't you?

73

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Facts on the table...I would not be surprised to know that aliens had been here and left...after seeing how lousy we treat our fellow human beings.

simple and to the point

73

---ai4ep---

[kc0ebm]

Are we alone?

If we were alone, then we would be the SUPREME BEINGS of the entire universe.

And if we were in fact the supreme beings of the universe, wouldn't we know it somehow?

The fact is, we are NOT alone. We were CREATED by the SUPREME BEING in the universe, who created the universe too.

And before He created us, He created innumerable other living species of creatures. Some of their names and some of their characteristics and attributes are recorded and known in the world.

And sometimes throughout history, they have visited us and have even spoken to us.

At one time, some of those creatures even made wives of our women and reared children by them. But they are gone now.

Are we alone? NO.....Not even close!

73

EBM

[w2wtf]

Visited, no your not being visited.........No where can i get some fuel for my fusion rocket to return home.

[kc0ebm]

Hey,

Have you guys heard the latest news about Iran being host to an unusually high number of UFOs in the last several days?

Wonder why all of a sudden the little green men are so interested in Iran?

Its being reported in the press with lots of cool pics of wobbly flying dinner plates and such.

Made a believer out of me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Take me to your Ayatolla http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kc0ebm]

Are we ALONE?

This should answer a few questions!

http://www.bibleufo.com/guide.htm

Enjoy

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ May 01 2004,06:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Are we ALONE?

This should answer a few questions!

http://www.bibleufo.com/guide.htm

Enjoy[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oy vey!

[kf7qq]

i am vrom Voltar!

[kg4kww]

kc0ebm -- Could the reason for all the interest by UFO'S in IRAN, be, because, they the aliens are checking out the ISLAMIC fath ? Maybe they are going to take over IRAN or send a rescue mission to take the aliens that they planted among those folks home?

Maybe it's a new secret WMD the IRAIANS invinted and it's being tested out?

Oh well, whatever. I know that we are not alone in the universe and one day we will find life out there some where.

[kc0ebm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ May 01 2004,20:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kc0ebm -- Could the reason for all the interest by UFO'S in IRAN, be, because, they the aliens are checking out the ISLAMIC fath ? #Maybe they are going to take over IRAN or send a rescue mission to take the aliens that they planted among those folks home?

Maybe it's a new secret WMD the IRAIANS invinted and it's being tested out?

Oh well, whatever. I know that we are not alone in the universe and one day we will find life out there some where.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If the recent UFO activity in Iran is really true, it may have a lot to do with Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Why you ask?

Many UFO sightings in the USA and other nuclear countries has occurred at high security nuclear installations. It just stands to reason that the same would be true in Iran.

Doesn't anybody have any comments about the interesting site that I posted?

http://www.bibleufo.com/guide.htm

I'm very surprised that people haven't reacted to it. Maybe nobody has checked it out.

If you are an open minded enthusiast of the Bible, you will find it spellbinding.

73

ebm

[kg4kww]

kc0ebm -- the reason I asked about all the UFO sitings in IRAN is that area of the world seems to be a hot bed of communications, that aliens could receive and follow,
they could see the expolsions from sapce. Who knows why there have been a lot of sightings in that part of the world. I think it very interesting. Maybe the gov has a secret that has not been let out of the bag yet!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Think About it.

Anyhow the probe is getting closer to Saturn and hopefully we will see some great pics soon.

[kc0ebm]

Oh, I know the US has lots of secrets that they haven't told us about. But I think these are genuine unknown phenomena.

I used to think all this UFO stuff was trash and fantasy or drug induced halucinations, but my paradigms have shifted.

I've recently discovered what I've learned to believe are primitive descriptions of UFOs in the Bible.

Now I listen with guarded interest when I see and read discussions about UFOs.

Sounds wierd, I know. I'm still somewhat embarrassed to admit it, but, the Biblical references have forced me to open up to the possibility.

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ May 05 2004,14:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, I know the US has lots of secrets that they haven't told us about. But I think these are genuine unknown phenomena.

I used to think all this UFO stuff was trash and fantasy or drug induced halucinations, but my paradigms have shifted.

I've recently discovered what I've learned to believe are primitive descriptions of UFOs in the Bible.

Now I listen with guarded interest when I see and read discussions about UFOs.

Sounds wierd, I know. I'm still somewhat embarrassed to admit it, but, the Biblical references have forced me to open up to the possibility.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
There are some who believe the bible to be &quot;trash, fantasy or drug induced halucinations&quot;... that is another possibility, nu? People have a tendency to see what they are looking for, regardless or whether it is actually present or not.

[kg4kww]

KB1GYQ - I'm shocked beyond words about your comments on the bible. Your comments and folks who feel about the bible as you do, are part of the reason, that the world is having the problems that have caused so much pain and sorrow world wide. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

kc0ebm - I would like to know what books, chapters of the bible you are making referance to?

Who knows, maybe UFO's did come here and land thousands of years ago. If so, did they leave traces of their visits that we have just not come accross? I find the heavens to be interesting beyond imagination.

Who knows, maybe some distant planet of aliens picked up an EME broadcast that bounced off the moon and missed Earth.

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kww @ May 05 2004,22:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KB1GYQ - I'm shocked beyond words about your comments on the bible. Your comments and folks who feel about the bible as you do, are part of the reason, that the world is having the problems that have caused so much pain and sorrow world wide. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Shock can be a good thing.... remember most things can be read several ways... What I posted can be read as you just did, to say the bible is trash - or it could be read to say that some people say it is, as EBM had thought of UFO's; and that the search for hidden things will often find things that aren't there - because that is what the seeker is searching for.

Logicly if A implies B and C implies B, there is still no relationship provable between A and C. -or- Just because someone believes the bible to be true, and someone else believes the bible to contain proof of UFO's does not mean that it does, nor that you should believe them. -or- If the UFO's are trash and the bible speaks of them, it must be trash.

People see what they are looking for... be careful what you look for.

[edited to improve clarity]

[kc0ebm]

To GYQ: That's clarity? So much for clarity http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

To KWW: Here's a link. http://www.bibleufo.com/index.htm

Its a new paradigm. I'm not endorsing it, just trying to have an open mind. You must make your own judgments on this.

However, I would be interested to know what you really think about it; just curious, that's all.

Tom

[KB1GYQ]

Is there no place for logic in faith?

Please resolve 2 Kings 8:26 vs 2 Chr. 22:2. Then, remembering that there are many other such instances, consider the following:

The inerrantist argument usually runs:

1. Jesus was (and is) God's son;
2. Jesus believed that Scripture was inerrant;
3. Therefore Scripture is inerrant.

However the argument has a corollary:

1. The Bible contained errors;
2. But Jesus believed that Scripture was inerrant;
3. Therefore Jesus was not God's son.


Faith that cannot stand up to simple logic is not a very good idea... and allowing blind faith in a text to substantiate someone else's ideas without further proof is the blind leading the blind. Many absolutely crazy things have been &quot;proven&quot; in that manner over the years, and that, to quote KWW is what has &quot;caused so much pain and sorrow world wide&quot;.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'> traditionally attributed to Shlomo (aka Solomon)

[n7zsd]

&quot;Danger, Will Robison!&quot;...Ya'll forgot that one, didn't ya?

#Of course there is life on other planets. According to my weird neigbors, all of the antennas above my house are for monitoring for alien activity. Just for fun once, I put an 11 element beam in my front yard, and pointed it straight up. Next time I'll hook a 2m reciever to it and let 'em listen to packet bursts. I wonder if I can get a wav file of the tones from Close Encounters to play along with it.

#Well, gotta go, Sasquatch and I are going out for a beer!

[kc0ebm]

GYQ: Is there no place for logic in faith?

EBM: #Of course there is room for logic. #God gave us a brain and He often challenged us to use it. #But, to rely totally upon logic to ascertain spiritual truth is futile. #Spiritual truth is spiritually descerned.

GYQ: Please resolve 2 Kings 8:26 vs 2 Chr. 22:2. Then, remembering that there are many other such instances, consider the following:

EBM: #You are correct. #This is an anomaly. #And you are also correct in that there are others. #This book is ANCIENT. #It has been translated countless times. #Errors have krept in. #But that does not nullify the authenticity of it, nor does it prove the inerrant word of God to be in error. #God gave us His perfect word without error. #We are told to compare scripture with scripture. #When irreconcilable errors are found, we must admit that WE have corrupted it.

GYQ: 1. Jesus was (and is) God's son;
#2. Jesus believed that Scripture was inerrant;
#3. Therefore Scripture is inerrant.

EBM: #Can I tell you a secret? #Jehova (Yhova) inspired all scripture. #He is the AUTHOR of it. #ALL of IT! #Jehova became the incarnate Christ (Jesus). #They are one and the same! There is no error in Him, and in Him there is no guile. #Therefore, it must be the human scribes that did err. #Do make note of those errors, so that we don't add error upon error. #But don't let man's error destroy your faith in the perfect work that God Himself gave us. #

GYQ: However the argument has a corollary:
#1. The Bible contained errors;
#2. But Jesus believed that Scripture was inerrant;
#3. Therefore Jesus was not God's son.

EBM: #Don't blame God (Jehova/Yhova/Jesus) for the deficiencies and error of men. #Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus guarantee that the scriptures would never be corrupted with error. #As a matter of fact, Jesus warned us not to add to, or take away from HIS INNERANT word. #Now, LOGICALLY, if it were not possible for man to corrupt His word, why would He warn us against it? #See, there IS logic to be used in faith!

GYQ: Faith that cannot stand up to simple logic is not a very good idea... # and allowing blind faith in a text to substantiate someone else's ideas without further proof is the blind leading the blind. Many absolutely crazy things have been &quot;proven&quot; in that manner over the years, and that, to quote KWW is what has &quot;caused so much pain and sorrow world wide&quot;.

EBM: Simple logic is a tool to be used. #But the exclusive use of logic to descern spiritual meaning is, dare I say, illogical. #Blind faith is merely accepting a premise without the immediate proof to back it up. #But, God REQUIRES us to accept Him by blind faith. Now, you may not choose to exercize blind faith in God or His word, but you certainly demonstrate blind faith in just about every other aspect of your life, don't you? #Think about it. #The concept is not at all foreign to unbelievers and doubters. #As a matter of fact, its an everyday certainty for every man.

The blind leading the blind are those who lead, and those who follow that leader, who don't accept the premise, either by blind faith or otherwise, and therefore, they search blindly without any direction at all. #Its trial and error. #And having only threescore and ten years to find salvation by trial and error and blind luck seems, dare I say it again, illogical if not foolish to the extreme! # # #

As for the pain and sorrow of this life, can I tell you another secret? #God allows pain and sorrow to inspire us to seek His mercy! #Now, tell me the truth; if it were not for the pain and sorrow that unregenerate man is made to feel as a result of his own rejection and disobedience to God's instructions, do you seriously think man would care at all to seek anything more than instant gratification? #God gave us the pain of hunger and thirst so that we would eat and drink and not die. #God gave us urges so that we would be fruitful and multiply and not go extinct. #God gave us pain and sorrow so that we would admit our error and turn to the truth and obey Him and accept His merciful redemption. #I ask you again, if it were not for pain and sorrow, would you even be participating in this discussion? #Would you even give a single thought of God at all? #NO! #We would all just move from one drink to the next; from one sandwich to the next; from one woman to the next; and then, after threescore and ten years of seeking instant gratification, we would die the eternal death. #You better thank God for pain and suffering my boy!

GYQ:Quote #
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. #
traditionally attributed to Shlomo (aka Solomon)

EBM: #Ah yes! #The God given wisdom of Solomon! #He's right, you know. #The simple do believe every word. #And, the prudent man looketh well to his going! #INDEED!
So, GYQ.....where is it that YOU are going?

Like Solomon, I have looked well to my going. #And with simple childlike faith, I believed every word first, accepting it as truth. #That is how I am able to recognize the proof and the confirmation when it is revealed to me. #Without first believing, I wouldn't recognize the proof or the confirmation. #I wouldn't recognize it at all, neither would I even see it. #But, by faith, I know what to look for, I see it, and I recognizing it in due time. #The result....my understanding grows, so does my trust, and so does my faith. #Therefore, I know precisely where I am going, and why, because it is written. #And I know exactly whom to thank for it too. #By the grace of Almighty God go I. #And neither to the left nor to the right do I turn. #He makes my paths straight and He lights the way so that I don't stumble. #And I can't wait to get Home!

Shalom

Tom

[W3MIV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ May 05 2004,22:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The inerrantist argument usually runs:

# 1. Jesus was (and is) God's son;
# 2. Jesus believed that Scripture was inerrant;
# 3. Therefore Scripture is inerrant.

However the argument has a corollary:

# 1. The Bible contained errors;
# 2. But Jesus believed that Scripture was inerrant;
# 3. Therefore Jesus was not God's son.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The foundation statement in each case is a surmise, not a fact, thus your argument remains