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G0GQK
12-18-2012, 07:52 PM
For weeks now while I'm reading newspapers the "box" on the left of the PC which shows which site I've been looking at fills up with garbage like the following

http://ad-emea.doubleclick.net/adi/N484

http://ams1.ib.adhxs.com/if?enc=cD0K16N

I assume I'm being tracked by some organisation, I have to close the computer and begin again because they won't allow me to remove them

Can anyone suggest an answer, Avast doesn't stop them ?

Regards, Mel G0GQK

KJ3N
12-18-2012, 08:00 PM
http://ams1.ib.adhxs.com/if?enc=cD0K16N

"Server not found"

When was the last time you ran Malwarebytes, or Spybot Search & Destroy?

KA9JLM
12-18-2012, 08:48 PM
For weeks now while I'm reading newspapers the "box" on the left of the PC which shows which site I've been looking at fills up with garbage like the following

http://ad-emea.doubleclick.net/adi/N484

http://ams1.ib.adhxs.com/if?enc=cD0K16N

I assume I'm being tracked by some organisation, I have to close the computer and begin again because they won't allow me to remove them

Can anyone suggest an answer, Avast doesn't stop them ?

Regards, Mel G0GQK


WWW.WinForce.net (http://WWW.WinForce.net)

It don't bog your system down, and you can select a Host Block file on the fly.

The Internet is getting to be a Unsafe Place to Be.

KJ3N
12-18-2012, 08:50 PM
The Internet is getting to be a Unsafe Place to Be.

It was never safe to begin with. Nothing's changed.

It's people's own stupidity that generally gets them into trouble.

KA9JLM
12-18-2012, 08:55 PM
It was never safe to begin with. Nothing's changed.

It's people's own stupidity that generally gets them into trouble.


I agree, and the law is about to come down on them.

I think that a person does need some private tho.

No Virus Software can fix stupid...
.

KJ3N
12-18-2012, 09:14 PM
I think that a person does need some private tho.

Then stay off the Internet. You might want to live in a cave as well.


No Virus Software can fix stupid....

No argument there.

WA6MHZ
12-18-2012, 10:07 PM
A title like that could have been said by my WIFE!!!!

The answer?

Take out a CONTRACT on me!

G4COE
12-19-2012, 02:39 AM
If you don't want folks trackin' n' knowin' try Googling for DNT+ (Do Not Track Plus) also, did you know Flash stores your browsing data not in one folder but two? Why two I ask?

Two folders to delete is 'Shared objects' and 'Macromedia.com', rather than explain have a shufty here... it *may* make your hair stand on end!These folders are hidden and can be found in the users Macromedia folder

http://www.wired.com/business/2009/08/you-deleted-your-cookies-think-again/ another opne worth reading is http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/2011/01/15/ebay-paypal-and-amazon-secretly-track-you/ (http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/2011/01/15/ebay-paypal-and-amazon-secretly-track-you/) they follow every transaction you make!

I configured Crap Cleaner to delete these two folders on start up, here's how to do it http://techtrickz.com/how-to/completely-remove-flash-cookies-with-ccleanaer-how-to/ I understand the latest edition of Chrome browser also lets you delete them, but do check to make sure.


See how Google uses your data:
http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-evil-side-of-google-exploring-googles-user-data-collection .

Even documents can be traced back to the printer it was printed on!!!!

Thought I'd throw the others in for good measure.

Dave

KT1F
12-19-2012, 12:15 PM
For weeks now while I'm reading newspapers the "box" on the left of the PC which shows which site I've been looking at fills up with garbage like the following

http://ad-emea.doubleclick.net/adi/N484

http://ams1.ib.adhxs.com/if?enc=cD0K16N

I assume I'm being tracked by some organisation, I have to close the computer and begin again because they won't allow me to remove them

I assume the "box on the left" is the browser history. They're just ads on the sites you visit. DoubleCick is Google's ad server. I don't know who the second one is. It doesn't resolve to an IP address and adhxs.com doesn't even appear to be a registered domain.


Can anyone suggest an answer, Avast doesn't stop them ?

Don't worry about them. Just clear cookies in your browser regularly if you're worried about being tracked. Avast won't do anything because they're not a virus or malware. Avast might block the cookies they leave (I don't know about that) but it won't stop your browser requesting those ads when you visit a site. Some sort of ad blocker might do that.

KT1F
12-19-2012, 12:35 PM
If you don't want folks trackin' n' knowin' try Googling for DNT+ (Do Not Track Plus) also, did you know Flash stores your browsing data not in one folder but two? Why two I ask?

Two folders to delete is 'Shared objects' and 'Macromedia.com', rather than explain have a shufty here... it *may* make your hair stand on end!These folders are hidden and can be found in the users Macromedia folder

http://www.wired.com/business/2009/08/you-deleted-your-cookies-think-again/ another opne worth reading is http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/2011/01/15/ebay-paypal-and-amazon-secretly-track-you/ (http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/2011/01/15/ebay-paypal-and-amazon-secretly-track-you/) they follow every transaction you make!

I configured Crap Cleaner to delete these two folders on start up, here's how to do it http://techtrickz.com/how-to/completely-remove-flash-cookies-with-ccleanaer-how-to/ I understand the latest edition of Chrome browser also lets you delete them, but do check to make sure.

The latest versions of FireFox, Chrome and Internet Explorer all delete Flash cookies when you do the standard clear cookies action within the browser. You really don't need extra utilities to do that. FireFox has been doing it for a year or two. I don't know when the others started.


See how Google uses your data:
http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-evil-side-of-google-exploring-googles-user-data-collection .

That's a little misleading and scaremongering. A lot of the stuff he lists is what happens if you have a Google account and are using their sites for their intended purpose. If you buy something through Google Checkout then of course it records ("tracks") your transaction. If you login to Google Finance and enter data then of course it remembers that. If you're not logged in to Google then most or all of the other stuff depends on cookies. If you're an anonyomous user on Google Translation then the only way it associates what you did with you is via a cookie they gave you. They still don't know who you are. They just know that you're the same person (same computer) if you return with the same cookie. Clear cookies and they won't know when or if you come back.

K8ERV
12-19-2012, 04:19 PM
A title like that could have been said by my WIFE!!!!

The answer?

Take out a CONTRACT on me!

I think two would be needed.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

G4COE
12-19-2012, 05:06 PM
I use Firefox but not the latest versions so I wouldn't know if they deleted them or not, are you sure the delete both of them I ask? It was written somewhere that Firefox became as bad as Phorm used to be, my last read ups going back sometime was Firefox and Google are now best buddies and share collected data.

If you think about browsers aren't free for nothing, they are free for a reason I'd say! Crap Cleaner takes very little space and well worth it because you have it doing it on start up... in fact *some* websites can tell you a little more about the machine your running let alone the user & browsing history - why would they want to do that?

True, half the time folks get paranoid about cookies but more than many are trackers. Take Google, you go on to a site.... your wife comes to use it and there's all the naughty adds on the right hand side - no tea, no supper and peaceful silence for a week or two, what good fun!

Dave

KA9JLM
12-19-2012, 05:38 PM
That is funny Dave.

I guess there is a upside to everything.

You are correct.

I use Firefox and it is a hog.

The cookies are not needed in many cases. Site Blocking is a sure way to not get the cooties in the first place.

Don't forget to block the Facebook site also, Even if you don't use it your computer goes there.


Your wife may not like FB blocked on her computer, But it could get You a month of silence.


paranoia will destroy ya.

KT1F
12-19-2012, 05:57 PM
I use Firefox but not the latest versions so I wouldn't know if they deleted them or not, are you sure the delete both of them I ask?

To see what Flash cookies and other Adobe stuff your browser is storing, go here:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html#117118

Then click on some of the links, especially the privacy and storage settings. You'll probably see some Flash cookies listed. Clear cookies in your browser and refresh the page. If your browser deletes them then they should be gone.


It was written somewhere that Firefox became as bad as Phorm used to be, my last read ups going back sometime was Firefox and Google are now best buddies and share collected data.

If you think about browsers aren't free for nothing, they are free for a reason I'd say!

I think Firefox used to get lots of money from Google but that's because of the default home page showing Google. They (Mozilla Foundation?) get paid something every time someone used Google search from that page. Of course Google make their money from ads on the search result page. I think that money flow to Mozilla may have stopped now. I don't think they're sharing data. FireFox is open source so they'd never get away with that.


Crap Cleaner takes very little space and well worth it

Maybe. I've heard lots of people using it so it's probably okay but I generally recommend avoiding oddball "cleaner" and "we'll fix your computer" type products.

G0GQK
12-19-2012, 09:33 PM
Thanks for all the help, I put the recommended sites into favourites and I'll read them later.
I'm not so much worried about being tracked, the only stuff on this PC are newspapers and magazines, ham radio sites. I don't buy on the internet, and never click on adverts
Tonight after visiting all the newspapers there is nothing in the browser box, I couldn't remember its name !. But one newspaper The Independent, not only is it slow to load, it has all the garbage. It fills up the browser but doesn't allow me to get back to Google, I have to return to the desktop. I never go near E bay, Amazon or Paypal.
I checked Avast and the only item in the chest is a year old

Anyway thanks for all the replies, Mel

KA9JLM
12-20-2012, 06:05 PM
To see what Flash cookies and other Adobe stuff your browser is storing, go here:

http://www.micromedia.com/suport/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html#117118 (http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html#117118)

Then click on some of the links, especially the privacy and storage settings. You'll probably see some Flash cookies listed. Clear cookies in your browser and refresh the page. If your browser deletes them then they should be gone.



Why would a person want to go to a website to see what cookies are on a machine ?

To give the site a chance to save them, before you delete them ?

If you don't keep up with your own cookies, Then your cookie jar is broken.

G4COE
12-20-2012, 07:01 PM
I agree Don, why would one go to a website to find what cookies they're storing when they are on ones computer? Take it or leave it anyway you like, I don't trust Flash with a bent penny or dime - why would they want to know what I get up to, they or anybody for that matter, why should Google spy on one so they know what ads to bombard them with.

Ya oughta know by now now't ain't free for now't... folks round here don't go dishing free meals out, or do they?

If Flash wants to know what I've been up to, they'd better come quick or their beloved cookies will get cleared. Maybe we're straying off-topic here but going back to the op how come he's getting bombarded, the data has gotta be held somewhere and computers ain't that clever yet!

Dave

K8ERV
12-20-2012, 07:07 PM
The cookies will all be gone after Santa visits.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

G4COE
12-20-2012, 08:09 PM
I reckon them reigning deers will eat em all up.

Dave

KA9JLM
12-20-2012, 09:01 PM
The cookies will all be gone after Santa visits.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo


You crack me up Tom.

That is funny. You are the best.


As far as Free Software goes, I only offer my software free because people should not have to pay, just to use their computer, for the intended reason that they bought it for.

People have rights and most of even the paid for stuff has Spyware.

Don't be fooled just because you pay for it.

KT1F
12-20-2012, 10:19 PM
Why would a person want to go to a website to see what cookies are on a machine ?

To give the site a chance to save them, before you delete them ?

That site, macromedia.com is Adobe. For all people might complain about them, I don't think Adobe is a bunch of crooks. Those pages are the official tools, supplied by the manufacturer of Flash, to see and manage what their products have left on your computer.

KA9JLM
12-20-2012, 10:28 PM
That site, macromedia.com is Adobe. For all people might complain about them, I don't think Adobe is a bunch of crooks. Those pages are the official tools, supplied by the manufacturer of Flash, to see and manage what their products have left on your computer.


That is good.

Why can't they just have a local app for that ?

Adobe Software is the worst for being copied, and they protect there copyrights and track who uses it.

They do manage their products, I have to give them credit for that. Watch out for PDF files that people make.
.

KT1F
12-21-2012, 03:16 AM
Why can't they just have a local app for that ?

I don't know much about Flash but I think I'm correct in saying that the whole idea of Flash is that it runs in the browser in a sandbox using some sort of plug-in API.

Let's say someone comes to Adobe's web site looking for a way to clear their Flash cookies.

Which makes more sense?

1)
Click here.
Cookies are deleted via the proper APIs within the sandbox.

2)
Download this executable.
Follow these instructions and screenshots to install with all the uncertainties of non-technical people downloading and installing.
Ignore warnings from Windows about downloading and running programs from the internet.
Run.
Cookies are deleted directly from the file system using assumptions about where they are and what to delete.

How could option 2 possibly be better?

Of course neither is necessary now that browsers do it directly just like normal http cookies.

KA9JLM
12-21-2012, 07:02 PM
I don't know much about Flash but I think I'm correct in saying that the whole idea of Flash is that it runs in the browser in a sandbox using some sort of plug-in API.

Let's say someone comes to Adobe's web site looking for a way to clear their Flash cookies.

Which makes more sense?

1)
Click here.
Cookies are deleted via the proper APIs within the sandbox.

2)
Download this executable.
Follow these instructions and screenshots to install with all the uncertainties of non-technical people downloading and installing.
Ignore warnings from Windows about downloading and running programs from the internet.
Run.
Cookies are deleted directly from the file system using assumptions about where they are and what to delete.

How could option 2 possibly be better?

Of course neither is necessary now that browsers do it directly just like normal http cookies.


Neither is all that good.

Don't really take that much for a plugin to clean up after itself.

Flash is a waste of a webpage, Unless You say to load it.

When it displays ads then, It is not useful to me. Most ads are off the page but get loaded anyway.

I keep my computer set to ask if I want it to run.

Not everyone has a Gig of memory to load a webpage.

KA9VQF
12-22-2012, 09:40 PM
Hummm,... I have 4 gigs of ram and a terabyte of disk to store it on once its loaded. if I want to that is

KA8NCR
12-23-2012, 02:30 PM
Don't worry about them. Just clear cookies in your browser regularly if you're worried about being tracked. Avast won't do anything because they're not a virus or malware. Avast might block the cookies they leave (I don't know about that) but it won't stop your browser requesting those ads when you visit a site. Some sort of ad blocker might do that.

Tracking is way more sophisticated than just cookies, they now also rely upon cached Javascript elements and points of single-signon like Facebook and Google. They also fingerprint the user agent along with the IP address. All of these little clues eventually betray your identity.

If you truly don't want to be tracked, the first thing is to selectively stop the execution of Javascript. Every site in the world pretty much beacons your presence to Facebook whether you use Facebook or not, whether you're logged into Facebook or not. Browser extensions like NoScript allow you to knock that off rather quickly, but its use takes practice because Javascript is so prevalent that careless use will cause many sites not to render properly.

After that, you can further protect your privacy with VPN tunnels or TOR. It takes a lot of effort, because tracking you even if it's just a non-personally identifiable token, is hugely profitable.

G4COE
12-23-2012, 05:21 PM
KT1F
Doubt if Avast stops cookies! Malware yes, but not cookies... I agree with KA8NCR, I never let Java script run and nor other services that isn't essential.

I get the impression there's a bunch of folks out there collecting what data they can and then colluding with each other to stash in one big file, doubt that governments wouldn't mind one bit, but getting to know what 'they' get up to they wouldn't like themselves... just my thoughts, even ISP's are at it.

Dave

KA9JLM
12-23-2012, 07:06 PM
KT1F
Doubt if Avast stops cookies! Malware yes, but not cookies... I agree with KA8NCR, I never let Java script run and nor other services that isn't essential.

I get the impression there's a bunch of folks out there collecting what data they can and then colluding with each other to stash in one big file, doubt that governments wouldn't mind one bit, but getting to know what 'they' get up to they wouldn't like themselves... just my thoughts, even ISP's are at it.

Dave


The new one I see around now is when a PDF opens in the browser it executes java commands in a command prompt window, to do who knows what.

It is just getting started, I am sure there is more to come.

Some of their work is amazing when you look at their code.

KT1F
12-23-2012, 07:56 PM
Tracking is way more sophisticated than just cookies, they now also rely upon cached Javascript elements and points of single-signon like Facebook and Google. They also fingerprint the user agent along with the IP address. All of these little clues eventually betray your identity.

If you truly don't want to be tracked, the first thing is to selectively stop the execution of Javascript. Every site in the world pretty much beacons your presence to Facebook whether you use Facebook or not, whether you're logged into Facebook or not.

Yes, you're probably right. This project reveals a lot. https://panopticlick.eff.org . I've tried that with multiple computers and browsers and I'm aways "unique". It would be interesting to know if the big names online like Facebook and Google really use those techniques. Anecdotally, it seems that when I clear cookies, the next ads I see are randomly selected and have nothing to do with my past browsing habits. Also, I don't see ads obviously based on browsing habits of other members of my household or workplace where we're all presenting the same external IP address. That makes me wonder how significant IP address really is in tracking. Maybe I'm naive but it still seems to be mostly based on cookies and if you're logged in to a site that also delivers ads on other sites. It seems like if these more sophisticated techniques were widespread, they'd do a better job of targeting ads when cookies are cleared.

I guess Google knows plenty about my habits because I'm usually logged in to Gmail. Most sites use Google Analytics or DoubleClick ads so I guess Google can connect the dots. But ... Google doesn't sell the data to anyone else, they just use it to target me with ads so I don't feel too worried about it.


Browser extensions like NoScript allow you to knock that off rather quickly, but its use takes practice because Javascript is so prevalent that careless use will cause many sites not to render properly.

True. The need for Javascript is only going to increase to the point where almost any useful site will need Javascript enabled. The modern way to make websites is going to be to have it all rendered by Javascript on the client. The server will provide pure data, and leave markup to Javascript on the client. The browsers could probably reduce the leakage a lot if they wanted to but I guess the server sometimes has a legitimate need for some of the stuff it reveals (what version of Flash do you have?) so whether or not that would still leave enough entropy to identify people ... I don't know.

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