What does everyone think

[KC0OFZ]

It has now been a few days since the news of the suggested plan to the FCC. #The larger question is will it work? #I for one am not sure. #It may work out fine and this pissing match we are all in becomes a bad dream. #It may on the other hand NOT work out and things will be a might unsettled. #There is argument on both sides. #I believe in the code test but can let it go, I am concerned on the written tests. #
If this is approved and there are new operators on HF I hope that they are good examples of how an operator should be. #Don't coppy the current lids, I feel they should be kicked off the air anyway. #I just have some concern about how the new operators will act and the HF bands. #I may be worrying about nothing, if so, I will be happy to be wrong.
I am one of the net operators for the SD NEO session net and if there are new operators wishing to check in, I welcome you. #Also, if you have any questions on procedure, catch me after the net and I will be happy to help you out best I can. #If I don't know the answer I will do my best to find out for you. #Whether or not I agree with this plan, this is the attitude that I will have towards the new operators that will be joining us.
I would like to ask others now. #
To those on HF now, will you join me in welcoming the new crowd even though we may not agree with how they got their privileges.
To the new HF crowd, will you guys act in a civil manner and work to gain the respect and acceptance of your peers?
I for the record, do not agree with the petition but can learn to accept it and do what is possible to keep the hobby and service moving forward.
73
KC0OFZ

[K6UEY]

I don't have any faith it will do any more to solve the problem than applying another band aid. This does not address the foundation of the problem, as stated elsewhere, this all began with the inception of a NO-CODE license, that is where the corrective measures should begin.To use your example this is more pi$$ing into the wind.

ORV
K6UEY
ARRL Life Member

[KC0OFZ]

Orv
I do agree, it may be just a band-aid. However I will treat the "new" kids on the block fair and with respect if they do the same to the "old" kids on the block.
73
thanks for the comments

[n5tjd]

As a no-code tech, the proposal just doesn't sit very well with me. The biggest question I have is what have I done to deserve being upgraded to more privaleges without taking a test?

I think it is a slap in the face of the General class license-holders who worked hard to learn the code and take the written exam. Why couldn't the tech. license stay the entry-level license and just gain very small portions on some of the HF bands (mainly cw, with some digital and voice at limited power)?

Frankly, I have no problems with the way things are now, but if the license structure is going to change, I'd rather have it the way I just stated.

[K6UEY]

KCØOFZ,
OH ! I most whole heartedly agree, there is only one excuse as I see it to avoid courtesy and that is when you are attacked first. Do unto others before they do unto you, may be the politically correct action to take in these times, but I still feel it is right to give the other guy enough rope, then if he smarts off, wrap it around his neck. I have run nets on 75 for many many years and I always tried to accept any one with a clean slate, I was disappointed a few times but the average was a positive one.
NO I commented on the problem at hand, in my 50 years, with the exception of the 1967-68 Fiasco I have never seen such a divided controversy as we have had since the no-code proposal was put into action. In my opinion it has attracted many undisireables, who for disinterest or ignorance really do not fit into Amateur Radio.Their future of ever becoming a HAM in my estimation is very bleak, the primary reasons seems to be ignorance as to what Ham Radio really is and just plain bad attitude, many have a defensive chip on their shoulder, which precludes making any contact or progress toward educating them in my opinion.

ORV
K6UEY
ARRL Life Member

[ae4fa]

WZB:

Way to go! I really LIKE that attitude! Hope to work you one day.

[KC0OFZ]

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Orv
That statement just cracked me up. #Thanks for the laugh, it brought some humor to me today. #I am not ashamed to say that a good portion of my time is spent talking to and helping techs out. #They are an asset to ham radio if they have the right attitude and are willing to learn. #Of course one could say that the old timer is valuable if he is willing to teach and has the right attitude as well. #Oh well, I will keep trying. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N7CPC]

OFZ,

The last change initiated a pissing match which did fade into bad dream stattus.

The wild part about this one, is that there a lot Advanced Class types, myself included, who don't want to be handed anything.

Seems the no-coders could take a lesson from the grownups and finally allow the code issue to fade into not-so-fond memory. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[K3UD]

Assuming that the ARRL plan as it is right now does not get changed by the FCC and is approved, several things might happen.

1. The Novice class (or whatever it is) license holders might run into the same kind of reception on HF that the first no code Techs did initially when trying to use 2 meter repeaters. There were many OFs on 2 who gave then a rather hot reception and did everything in their power to drive them away. Many were doing this .... so much so that the ARRL had articles in QST which literally pleaded for tolerance on the new comers by the old hands.

Eventually, by sheer force of numbers, a lot of the old hands either gave up 2 meter repeater operation or were run off. We could also see this with the Tech classes to some extent, but since the license will come up as General in the database, it might be difficult for those who would single them out for abuse because of the grandfather upgrade. The worst mistake the FCC can make is to list the previous license in the database on all those who get grandfathered.

If the Novice license proves popular, it will be interesting to see how it works out, especially in the 3.9 to 4.0 slice of 75 meters and maybe of some areas of 40 meters. Eventually we may see a complete repopulation of that spectrum if the 2 meter situation repeats itself.

2. The old hands on HF will welcome the Novice and mentor them
much in way Novices who upgraded to General under the old system were mentored until their on the air skill and technical understanding
started to take root. This is the best possible outcome INHO.

3. We could see a version of the class warfare that happened with the advant of incentive licensing. As soon as barriers went up on the HF bands between formally congenial Generals, Conditionals, Advanced (Class A) and Extra's, the charges of snobery began. Those Advanced and Extra's who came up into the General Class portions were sometimes very discouraged as to coming back again.

We could also see hams who just refuse to accept things and leave ham radio altogether, as some did back then. Some might take refuge in CW and give up phone. Oddly enough, Novices who choose to learn CW and get on the air with it will most likely be welcomed with open arms and mentored even by the crustiest OF.

4. There is always the possibility that life goes on as before. I have little doubt that the phone segments might be expanded a bit to help accomodate all the new comers to HF. There is also the possibility that due to a variety of factors, only a small percentage of Novice/Tech ops actually get on HF. In fact, there is some statistical evidence that the vast majority of the Novice/Tech population are not active and have long since given up interest in ham radio. We may see far less new comers on HF than we think.

73
George
K3UD

[KD7WHQ]

I wouldn't be any worse an op than now, and I'm dealing with hams licensed for up to and including 40 years http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BUT, I did comment on the ARRL petition, and stated that at least element three should still be required for General class.

Not everyone grew up with ham radio. I suspect I am a rare one.

I can run a net, pass traffic, and am on the technical committee with the repeater group.
And, I even have radiogram forms here.

A lot of this is experience. Even starting off raw, the curve is there, and it takes elmering to shape an op. Something to consider. Sorry YT*, the CQ on the repeater still has me rolling http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Was a real party getting the Rohn-45 down today, as a BTW.. The jin pole is the only reason the exercise succeeded without incident.

But, how many other techs can say the same? Not a slam to my kindred, but I wonder. Element 3 should still be a requirement.

And I am taking element 3 on the 6th of March. Passing with no problems on the practice tests..

[DocRF]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC0OFZ @ Jan. 24 2004,10:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Orv
I do agree, it may be just a band-aid. #However I will treat the &quot;new&quot; kids on the block fair and with respect if they do the same to the &quot;old&quot; kids on the block.
73
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I will treat the new kids on the block with respect NO MATTER HOW THEY BEHAVE.

After all, they are learners - and we are the teachers.

When was the last time you expected a student to arrive on the first day of class, ready to pass the final exam?

Courtesy means treating people nicely all the time.

If you are only nice &quot;when the other guy is nice&quot;, then you are a vengeful person who is holding back, until the other guy slips up.

Doc

[K6UEY]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif DOC RF,
I guess your right Doc, Now lets all hold hands and dance around the May pole. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KG4CGC]

We have a saying in the South,
# You can give some people a ticket to Heaven and they'll STILL ask for envelope to put it in.
# # # # # # # # # #KG4CGC

[KC0OFZ]

Doc RF

You are correct, thank you for the correction I will do my best to remember it. Instead of acting the same if the person is a bone head I will just kindly break contact bid 73 and spin the old VFO
73
KC0OFZ