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12-30-2003, 08:54 PM
We would love to see more like these!

http://www.thespectrum.com/news/stories/20031218/localnews/61043.html

QRZ

N0OV
12-30-2003, 08:59 PM
This is absolutely great!

Take a good look at the folks this article is talking about -- this is the future of Amateur Radio!

N3TTN
12-30-2003, 09:15 PM
I agree as well, a great article. I just hope this does not start or turn into another "Echolink is not ham radio" debate.

73, N3TTN

AG3Y
12-30-2003, 10:14 PM
No, I will not argue that "echolink is not real ham radio" but I sure do wish that there was a "real" ham radio transceiver sitting there instead of a computer.

I can remember back to my High School days when there was a whole room full of radio equipment, all connected to several beams, dipoles, and vertical antennas on the roof of the Shop building!

When we talked with other people around the world, we were really in direct contact with those people. Not using some sort of computer aided fancy telephone network.

Heavy Sigh. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif And now I will take off my "OLD PHART" costume and put it back in the closet! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif



73 from Jim ( old Phart ) AG3Y and Happy New Year !

DocRF
12-30-2003, 11:30 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AG3Y @ Dec. 30 2003,15:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No, I will not argue that &quot;echolink is not real ham radio&quot; but I sure do wish that there was a &quot;real&quot; ham radio transceiver sitting there instead of a computer. #

I can remember back to my High School days when there was a whole room full of radio equipment, all connected to several beams, dipoles, and vertical antennas on the roof of the Shop building&#33;

When we talked with other people around the world, we were really in direct contact with those people. #Not using some sort of computer aided fancy telephone network.

Heavy Sigh. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif # And now I will take off my &quot;OLD PHART&quot; costume and put it back in the closet&#33; #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif



73 from Jim ( old Phart ) AG3Y and Happy New Year &#33;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It IS a real ham radio in the photograph. #Look again. #The photograph is a little small for my old eyes, but I think it&#39;s an Elecraft K2. I don&#39;t see a computer in the photograph at all.

The text of the article says:

&quot;The after-school ... radio club ... learns how to talk ... worldwide through the computer on Echolink, and through the radio station donated to the class by &quot;W7KBM&quot;...&quot;

Echolink is mentioned only that one time - the rest of the article is about radio. I think an article about technology that does not at least bring up a computer once, is not likely to be taken seriously, so this one reference to echolink was the &quot;token computer reference&quot;.

I completely agree with Fred&#39;s sentiment. #We need much more like this.

I have put a ham station into about half the junior and high schools in the three cities where I spend most of my time. #They&#39;re good for a newspaper article about every three years when there&#39;s a new crop of students.

Doc

12-30-2003, 11:43 PM
You say you want to see more? Happy to do so.

Jim Haynie, W5JBP - ARRL (and more to be added soon) Is there a school in your area? If so, they would love your help. They do have HF in the school and WAS is important to all.

ARRL Big Project Schools

No #School Name #Contact Person #School Address #City #State
1 #Allendale High School
Brian Brethauer, KC8NPH
10760 68th Ave.
Allendale
MI

2 Astronaut High School
Bill Canfield, W4RUN
800 War Eagle
Titusville
FL

3 Blackburg Middle School
Richard Beamish K4FCP
3109 Price&#39;s Fork Road
Blackburg
VA

4 Bloomington High School South
Neil Rapp, WB9VPG
1965 S. Walnut St.
Bloomington
IN

5 Bluford Elementary School
Richard Auslander, WA2BJN
1901 Tuscaloosa St.
Greensboro
NC

6 C-4 Columbus North High School
Michael Riley, N9LTT
1400 25th St.
Columbus
IN

7 #Carl Hayden High School
Allan Cameron, N7UJJ
3333 W. Roosevelt
Phoenix
AZ

8 #Central Square Middle School
James Kuhl, N2STK
248 US Rt. 11 South
Central Square
NY

9 #Clark Wood Elementary School
Sylvia Wood N3ZXK
110A Ellison Rd
Elkland
PA

10 Coronado Middle School
Jeff Fancy KG6KVJ
550 F Avenue
Coronado
CA

11 DeGolyer Elementary School
Sanlyn Kent, KD5LXO
3453 Flair Dr.
Dallas
TX

12 DePaul Catholic High School
Joel Wagoner, N2IAG
1512 Alps Rd.
Wayne
NJ

13 Eagle Ridge Middle School
Robert L. Will N9WHB
800 Fruta Road NE
Rio Rancho
NM

14 East Central Heritage Middle School
Fred L. Crawford K5CWR
8004 New Sulphur Spring Rd.
San Antonio
TX

15 Elkins Middle School
Morris Kittle AD8T
308 Robert E. Lee Ave.
Elkins
WV

16 Franklin Elementary School
Dave Condon, KI7YP
12434 NE 60th
Kirkland
WA

17 Gowanda Senior High School
Scott Barto, KB2KOL
10674 Prospect St.
Gowanda
NY

18 Grant Middle School
Marilyn Barletta
2400 Grant Blvd.
Syracuse
NY

19 Greenfield-Central High School
Gary Wynn KB9YNK
2756 E. 625 N.
Greenfield
IN

20 Halifax County High School
Charles Lowery, NM4V
P.O. Box 310
South Boston
VA

21 Iowa St. School
Phil Leonelli WF6L
321 N. Iowa St.
Fallbrook
CA

22 Irving High School
Charles Brown KD5OPG
900 N. O&#39;Connor Rd
Irving
TX

23 J.E. Richards Middle School
Sharon Carter, KG4HKO
645 Martin Field Dr.
Lawrenceville
GA

24 James B. Castle High School
Bridgette Iseri
45-386 Kaneohe Bay Dr.
Kaneohe
HI

25 Jamesville-DeWitt Middle School
Mark Erickson, KC2KLP
6280 Randal Road
Jamesville
NY

26 Juniper Intermediate School
Elizabeth Hellyer, N6PMN
39066 Plam Tree Way
Palmdale
CA

27 Marlington High School
Douglas Bowling, AB8CJ
10450 Moulin Ave. NE
Alliance
OH

28 Morgan County R-2 School
Mark Reger, WD0MR
913 West Newton
Versailles
MO

29 Musselman Middle School
Bob Johnson, KF8I
8784 Winchester Ave.
Bunker Hill
WV

30 N. Garland Magnet School
Steve Mininger
2109 Buckingham Blvd
Garland
TX

31 Newington High School
Ronald Gombotz, N1SQF
605 Willard Ave
Newington
CT

32 Orono Middle School
Richard Glueck, N1MDZ
14 Goodridge Dr.
Orono
ME

33 Richwood High School
Don Wheeler, Jr KD5MWL
US Hwy 165
Monroe
LA

34 Shelbyville Central High School
Steve Watson, WB4ILS
100 J.G. Helton Dr.
Shelbyville
TN

35 Silver Stage High School
Patrick Peters, KD7QDI
3755 West Spruce AV
Silver Springs
NV

36 South Davie Middle School
Robert Hupp, KJ4RW
700 Hardison Dr.
Mocksville
NC

37 Southern Baptist Educational Center
Sam Wrigley
7400 Getwell Road
Southaven
MS

38 St. Antoninus School
Bob Schroeder, W8CRO
5425 Julmar Dr.
Cincinnati
OH

39 St. Pius X High School
Robert Lah, KD5HAW
5301 St Joseph&#39;s Dr NW
Albuquerque
NM

40 Stehekin School
Ron Scutt
P.O. Box 8
Stehekin
WA

41 Sunny Hills High School
Chris Peoples KE6BAQ
1801 Warburton Way
Fullerton
CA

42 Sussex County Tech. School
Wendie R. Blanchard
105 North Church Rd.
Sparta
NJ

43 University High School
Stephen Lalonde, WA7WKX
10212 E. Ninth
Spokane
WA

44 Vallivue High School
Edward Livingston, WB6NNW
1407 Homedale Rd
Caldwell
ID

45 Wade Hampton High School
Keith E. Nicholes, WH6CQ
P.O. Box 338
Hampton
SC

46 Wasilla High School
Mike Lutes/Dan Schutt
701 E. Bogard Rd.
Wasilla
AK

47 #Webster Intermediate School
Lana Zimmer, KD5VEM
400 S. Walnut
Webster
TX

48 #William Byrd High School
Richard Turner KZ4VT
2902 Washington Av.
Vinton
VA

49 Winchell Elementary School
David Clark W8DO
2316 Winchell St.
Kalamazoo
MI

50 #Worcester East Middle School
Robert Cavallaro, K2UOR
420 Grafton St.
Worcester
MA

12-30-2003, 11:45 PM
And all the above have been funded by amateur radio operators like you. A big thanks&#33;

73

Jim Haynie, W5JBP

DocRF
12-31-2003, 12:04 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w5jbp @ Dec. 30 2003,16:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And all the above have been funded by amateur radio operators like you. A big thanks&#33;

73

Jim Haynie, W5JBP[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Jim, we don&#39;t want to see a longer list of schools - we want to see the long list of articles about them in the public press. What does that list look like?

I&#39;m a supporter of the Big Project but I&#39;ve not yet seen much in the way of media hits from it. Maybe you should consider maintaining a website listing those hits? It would be a real incentive for many of us to get more involved in the BP instead of just doing the one-person bit as I do.

Doc

KD7WHQ
12-31-2003, 03:36 AM
David Condon has not only been in the news, but I was working a number of his kids this last school year. One TA as well. Franklin Elementary, Kirkland, WA.
I rather suspect she might have been inclined to get her ticket http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The project works. Given.

The problem, is keeping them interested.. Of the six kids I talked to, only one is sporadically on the air.

And, three got their own rigs.

Retrospectively, I think their biggest kick was working each other across the playfield on handhelds, but that might be just me.

But, I&#39;ll be back in there this next year, egging them on, and this time QSL cards will go out. Can&#39;t hurt, might help.

Any other ideas as to what else might keep them in? Amateur radio has some hard competition with Playstation, internet, etc with the kids...

AG3Y
12-31-2003, 03:12 PM
My apologies if I read the article wrong or saw something in the photograph that wasn&#39;t there. ( or didn&#39;t see something that WAS there&#33; ) My eyes were not in the best shape yesterday&#33;

It seems to me that there are two mindsets at play here. One is that the &quot;medium is the message&quot; and the other is that &quot; the message is the important thing&quot;.

The &quot;medium is the message&quot; seems to be the Amateur Radio mindset. That is why so many of us get a big kick out of sending our name, qth, rig brag tape, signal report and weather report. That information is not earth-shaking and will probably not change the world around us, but we strive to get it across to the other station with CW, RTTY, soundcard digital modes, SSB, AM , FM etc. etc.

The other mindset is exemplified by the kids that use internet chat rooms, echolink, cell phones, etc. etc. They could not care less about what technology is used to get the message from point &quot;A&quot; to point &quot;B&quot;, but are vitally concerned that &quot;Susie&quot; knows that &quot;Bobby&quot; broke up with &quot;Amanda&quot; the other night&#33;

I am not sure how one goes about converting a person from one mindset to the other, or whether it is important to do so. I firmly think that the person who is the most concerned about the protocol or technology that is used to get the message from point &quot;A&quot; to point &quot;B&quot; is the one that is most likely to become the ham radio operator of the future, and the one who wants to tell Susie about Bobby will probably never become more than an appliance operator at most, no matter how hard we try to shove technology down their throat&#33;

Our job is to try to sort out the one type from the other, and focus our efforts on the one that is most likely to embrace the technology for technology&#39;s sake. Otherwise we are just wasting a lot of time and effort&#33;

Just my humble opinion, and thanks for allowing me to share it with you.

73 and Happy New Year

Jim AG3Y

KD7RPN
01-02-2004, 01:59 AM
Just to clear things up. W7KBM (send him a e-mail and thank him for me knoliver@netutah.com) donated an Icom 730 along with a tri-band vertical. We do most of our work on the 20 Meter band.

It is rare that we are able to make contacts outside of the United States. We have hit Japan a few times.

We also have access to EchoMac. If the band conditions are bad, or if the kids want to talk to someone in another country, we use the computer.

I have two students who are getting ready to take their first test.

I hope to hear you on in the future. We try to call CQ on Tuesday&#39;s around 2230 Z.

73,

KD7RPN

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