FCC PERMITS CERTAIN OBSCENITIES

[AA7BQ]

In a recent television show, "The Golden Globe Awards", one of the winners came up to the microphone and said: "Thanks for this f---ing award!".

A torrent of complaints went out to the FCC and in a move that some find incomprehensible, the commission has all but authorized the use of the F-word so long as it does not depict sexual activities.

No, I'm not making this up. #You can see the FCC's actual statement on the subject in a MEMORANDUM OPINION (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2003/DA-03-3045A1.html) on the FCC's website. #Pay particular attention to paragraph 5, where the use of the word is rationalized.

This FCC opinion is not limited to commercial broadcasters. #It in fact applies to all such "indecency laws" and as a result, also to amateur radio. #So, the next time you hear someone using the F-word on the air, just note that it's a free speech issue, and a word which the FCC says is OK, depending on the circumstances of it's use and whether or not there is an actual sexual connotation to the remark.

Personally, I don't know how you can separate the two in the context of the F-word, but, the FCC apparently has figured it out. #It appears that the Hollywood has again succeeded in lowering national community standards by yet another notch. #What's next? #

See: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2003/DA-03-3045A1.html for the complete opinion.

P.S. - Despite the FCC ruling, QRZ will continue to prohibit the use of the word on this website.

-fred

[K8YS]

why not... the FCC has no power with politicians or Hollywierd.

[rant mode on]

The "F" word on the Golden Globe Awards, John "F-U" Kerry, wire taps made from cell phones and given to congressmen.. let some TAX PAYER try that move.

The FCC is a paper tiger. #

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[n0ov]

Wow -- don't know whether to use that "term" to describe what I think of the opinion or..............

Some strange things have been coming out of the FCC lately -- from not charging traditional teleco taxes and fees on Internet based phone calls, to this.

One things for sure -- once an Amateur exhibits this behavior the sanctions will fly.

Kind of makes you wonder if all their grounding rods are hooked up.



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[KB9WVK]

Unfortunate.

[WD8OQX]

It just goes to show the sign of the times. When smut like this is allowed & decent stuff is NOT. God said that in the end time "good will be called bad & bad will be called good." This is just more proof that things are going to H*** in a handbasket. God have mercy on us all..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K2WH]

I understand this completely. #Look at the following instances.

1) "F" this
2) No "F'n" way
3) I'll be "F'ed"
4) You're "F'ed" up
5) "F" me
6) What the "F"
7) Holy "F"
8) You're out of your "Fn" mind.

And so on. #None of the above "F" word groups contain any relation to sexual conduct or content for that matter. #So, the FCC in it's infinite wisdom has done the correct thing.

So I guess I'll get on the air with my "F'n" Kenwood with the rotten "Sh--ty" finals.

K2WH

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WD8OQX @ Dec. 15 2003,12:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It just goes to show the sign of the times. When smut like this is allowed & decent stuff is NOT. God said that in the end time "good will be called bad & bad will be called good." This is just more proof that things are going to H*** in a handbasket. God have mercy on us all..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Does this mean that John Wayne can say Damn without the fear of being edited for Television?

Or, based on the FCC ruling, it is OK to Dam the river but NOT OK to Damn the enemy.

[N7QF]

My father once told me that people who use such language
aren't smart enough to speak the language correctly.
I will add that as we gradually begin to allow this to happen,
our society will suffer. #When we use such language we show
that we are regressing and becoming more like animals than
the height of creations our creator intended us to be.
This is just another issue facing us today, along with several
others, including gay marriage, etc.
I have written my representatives about these items, and they
are in full support. #All of us should make our feelings known
Write your reps.

[ki4bnh]

Well, Puritan I'm not but I sure know how to edit myself while on air. If this becomes de rigeur (can I say that? it's FRENCH!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif it will be a sad day...

I was a Program Dir. back in college at a major market college station (Atlanta)

We received a call from the FCC office when one late night one of our announcers played "Capt Jack" by Billy Joel. Seems a young lass was riding with her grandmom & asked what masturbate meant. Ye Gods!!!

We avoided citation but we were always VERY conscious of the Carlin 7 words before & after.

As I say, I curse too frequently but it was always nice & gentile to have a safe zone.

Doug Mr. Mint Julip KI4BNH
(Top Progressive Music at the Bottom of your dial)

[W7WV]

KW2H,

Watch out for your #3 & #5 example.
In some areas, it may get you arrested for solicitation!
But I guess it's OK on the bands now.

73 Ken http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7QF @ Dec. 15 2003,12:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My father once told me that people who use such language
aren't smart enough to speak the language correctly.
I will add that as we gradually begin to allow this to happen,
our society will suffer. #When we use such language we show
that we are regressing and becoming more like animals than
the height of creations our creator intended us to be.
This is just another issue facing us today, along with several
others, including gay marriage, etc.
I have written my representatives about these items, and they
are in full support. #All of us should make our feelings known
Write your reps.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Good constructive advise.

73

[n9lya]

I thought I would never agree with what I read about the Whitehouse taking over the duties of the FCC... But just maybe this is a ploy to help induce that...



Maybe FCC has a differnt meaning today then it did yesterday

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[WA6TLG]

From what i understand the f word was originated from the (i believe it is called an acronym, forgive my spelling) Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge. And what would be the meaning of that? Sex of course! It is my believe whether free speech or not it is wrong to use the f-word The fcc should look up the meaning of the word![B] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[N8CPA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WA6TLG @ Dec. 16 2003,11:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From what i understand the f word was originated from the (i believe it is called an acronym, forgive my spelling) Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge. And what would be the meaning of that? Sex of course! It is my believe whether free speech or not it is wrong to use the f-word The fcc should look up the meaning of the word![B] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Wrong! That's a popular myth, but only a myth. It actually derives a teutonic term originally spelled with a Latin letter resembling our y. The phoneme was pronounced more like an oomlatued German u (ue). It was when the word was absorbed into Anglo-Saxon that the German ch portion of it hardened into the k sound, and the y became short u.

The other words in the carnal knowledge phrase came into English much later.

Irrespective of its etymology, it does not belong on amateur radio, and regardless what the fleshed out hollywood puppets say or do. Remember actors and such only have jobs because writers put words in their mouths, and directors pull their emotive strings. It's when they speak using own their own mental power that their lack of brains become apparent. Also remember that most directors are ugly actors, and are just as mindless. They are the archetype of far more style than substance, in what they say or do.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO there! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kf6hcd]

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Here's the definition of the word in question. Long one, so here is just the link.

http://education.yahoo.com/referen....00.html (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/95/f0349500.html)


We hams need not use this language in our conversations; neither may we prohibit such as it is defined in our constitution. But for now it seems that neither Congress nor the FCC may prevent the use therof.

Personally, as a former member of the US Navy, I have no problem with either the word or its use in "proper" venues. But, as my father told me on more than one occasion, widespread use of foul language is the mark of a lower class of person.

Just because a word is in the "dictionary" does not imply its propriety in "polite" company. We must all censor ourselves, but must not permit others to censor us.

Personally. I will not use this word in my communications, just for the simple reason that children may be listening on their scanners.

[k5xs]

K2WH

I don't know you, and you're likely a fine fellow, but good grief, how can we reason that "So, the FCC in it's infinite wisdom has done the correct thing."

There is no reasonable way that allowing language like that on the air is "doing the correct thing."

It seems to me we are slouching our way to decadence by reasoning what twistied interpretation can allow the most promiscuous behavior anyone can conjur.

Using the "F" word on the air is wrong in my view, and rationalizing how it has nothing to do with sexual behavior manifests us as a decaying society.

[WB9UDJ]

Network Censorship is a lousy way to try to control what is said. If you want censorship do it in the way that really works.... TURN OFF YOUR TV. When enough people do that then the shows will self correct. The Victorian style Censorship that is practiced in this country is ludricous. History points to the fact that the King of England had a trist with the up stairs maid and got the child that he called Victoria. This bastard of a Queen then became a leader of morality for many zealots. How many politicians here have fathered kids that they hope the voters never know about. Old Segregationist Strom hid his bi-racial bastard child for 78 years.

This brings up the question of how we are not allowed to show naked people on U.S. TV but we can show BBC programs on U.S. Educational TV that use all of the words and nudity that are not allowed on our TV's. Many of the moralists drool at watching animals copulate on The Animal Channel. Now if that is not a sick thing to get excited over. You would be hard pressed to find much else that is a more perverted way to get your jollies.

I get a chuckle how any topic on here can be twisted into a debate over religion, guns, birth control, abortion, morals of out youth and any other number of topics.

[kc9dfj]

One thing to mention.

The FCC discussion talks about "what is patently offensive as #measured by #contemporary #community #standards".

Not an exact quote but I think what this means is the Ham radio "community" can decide what is acceptable or not. #I think that it is not a matter of legal or illegal, but a matter of what is polite and appropriate for ham radio.

There are people that use foul language on the ham bands as it is now, and very little is done to stop them.

When I hear such conversation, I respond by not talking to the individual.

I believe that most operators would refrain from using this kind of language for fear of being shunned by the "community".

I think that the bottom line is that this ruling should have no effect on what is considered to be "good operating practice" for ham radio.

Lenny

[N7XCF]

Leave us not forget that life itself is in fact XXX rated, and many of our problems can't be discussed in polite company at any time, and without discussion they can't be solved. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w6th]

-----------------------The Word-------------------


Use that word to my ears and forget about a conversation. I won't judge you, but will look upon you as a low classed individual. Hate that word.

Yes i hate that word

.:

[W0LC]

Oh well. Another sign of the times. I suppose that falls under the "freedom of speechh" non-sense.
I think it is time to do some background checks on the folks at the FCC and see what they're smoking!

Let's see what their possible score card is:

1. Drop CW element from amateur license testing parametrics
2. Endorse back ground checks on amateur applicants
3. Remove reference to callsigns of offending (offending what?) amateurs in enforcement notices
4. Grant amateur licenses and while you at it, have a f***ing good day and you can quote that on the air
5. Grant BPL open license to pump anything into the ionosphere
6. Endorse more freebanding since they aren't willing to take steps to limit or eliminate it


Sure sounds like there must be some pot fields on fire, and the smoke has been drifting off Gettysburg, PA for months!

[W0LC]

P.S. - Despite the FCC ruling, QRZ will continue to prohibit the use of the word on this website.

-fred

Fred Lloyd, AA7BQ



Fred: Thank you!

It's not like I don't hear that word 100 times a day, there are just some places I really don't need to hear or see it!

[kd5jxu]

I hate to see that our goverment has lowered to the standard of using words with more letters than the IQ level of those that use the words.
I feel I have betrayed. While I was single I ran the Chicken Band in my Ford. Not yet being introduced to Ham Radio, I threw all those radios away. When I was introduced to this hobby I went full tilt. My wife has her own station and will grab up a soldiering iron with out even thinking about it.
Our Love of this is that we don't have to listen to the garbage of CB. We are in constant communications anywhere we are. Too bad I can't say that for the Cell Phone Service.
Please help keep this offensive noise off the Ham Bands. Not only does my wife monitor, my Bisquet Snappers do too. Please have the respect for them.
I know that the 40 and 80 meter bands have to much of it on there.
Between the no ID, Reports on their prostrate, the cursing and just rude to some one that will ask them when they plan to ID. I could care less to join the ranks of HF.
This is one of the reasons code should not be dropped, most of them don't have the time to send four letter offensives..
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[ki4bgo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7XCF @ Dec. 16 2003,16:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Leave us not forget that life itself is in fact XXX rated, and many of our problems can't be discussed in polite company at any time, and without discussion they can't be solved. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
...Anyone who needs those type of words just to discuss something had better find someone ELSE to discuss it WITH! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[KB1KKU]

How can a word be offensive? It’s only the meaning of a word that can be offensive. The “F” word is only offensive if you interpret it as such.

[W0LC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1KKU @ Dec. 16 2003,13:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How can a word be offensive? #It’s only the meaning of a word that can be offensive. #The “F” word is only offensive if you interpret it as such.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Try yelling it out over the din of the crowd and state "Have a f***ing* good day and see what the reaction is. Should tell you something is out of place.

Better yet, if "how can a word be offensive" isn't the case, try using the N word to an African-American, and see the reaction.

Unfortunately, there are many in our society that don't see "appropriate" and "inappropriate" as being two different situations.

Sad, sad, sad.

[KC5JSR]

Hi all, I dont watch TV anymore, since there's nothing worth watching. If I want entertainment, I go to the movies, jump out of airplanes sometimes fly them or come to the talk and opinions forum right here.
I do have one question, who is this moron that said this?
that way I know who not to go see, or buy their music or whatever.
Hit him in the pocket book. Well that probably wont work since there are way too many that enjoy this kind of junk. I'ts disgusting, that children should be subjected to this in, what I thought, was an industry regulated by the almighty FCC.
I know some are going to say their going to hear it at school and in the hood, well the FCC has no recoarse when it comes to that. But I was under the impression they did when it comes to this kind of absurd behaviour.

Oh well, entertainment has taken a nose dive over the last 15-20 years.
Does anyone know a good attitude readjustment therapist? I guess I'm going to need one.
73'
John C.

[w1epm]

Another victory for Howard Stern. #He is going to love this!!!

[w0tlo]

As the attached article shows, the public reaction has begun. I also read that there are a few congressmen discussing a congressional mandate to the FCC requiring them to revisit the ruling.

73 de W0TLO
John
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Congress Urged to 'Clean House' at FCC Over Profanity Ruling
By Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor
December 15, 2003

(Editor's Note: The following contains references to language the reader may find offensive.)

(CNSNews.com) - A pro-family group is calling on Congress to "clean house" at the FCC. The demand follows the FCC's ruling in October that the "f-word" does not violate the commission's obscenity standards.

The issue took on new life this month, after unbleeped and unedited profanities, including the f-word, were broadcast live to the East Coast on the Billboard Music Awards program.

Focus on the Family's appeal to clean house at the FCC came after Nicole Richie, star of the Fox TV reality show "The Simple Life," used the words "cowsh-t" and "f---ing" during a live version of the Billboard awards show last week. The words were bleeped on West Coast feeds.

"This latest assault on American families is just another indication that the FCC does not take its job seriously," said Tom Minnery, vice president of public policy for Focus on the Family, in a statement Friday.

"Each year, TV broadcasters grow bolder and bolder, but the FCC acts as if nothing is happening. The Enforcement Bureau has become like Nero, playing his fiddle as Rome burns," Minnery said.

The FCC issued its controversial ruling on the f-word in October, after family groups filed a complaint over last year's Golden Globe Awards, in which performer Bono used the profanity.

The ruling stated that the word did "not describe or depict sexual or excretory activities and organ...[O]ffensive language used as an insult rather than as a description of sexual or excretory activity or organs is not within the scope of the Commission's prohibition of indecent program content."

"We feared that [the October] ruling would open the floodgates to a further coarsening and degradation of the nation's airwaves, and what happened Wednesday confirms those fears," Minnery said.

"It's clear that the FCC is completely ignoring its mandate to protect Americans from broadcast indecency. There is a total breakdown in standards. Congress needs to clean house at the FCC and remove those responsible immediately," Minnery added.

Minnery called on the public to flood the FCC with calls and emails to demand the reversal of the ruling and to investigate the "Billboard Music Awards" broadcast. He also encouraged Americans to contact their U.S. senators and ask them to initiate hearings on the FCC's lack of indecency enforcement.

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5jxu @ Dec. 15 2003,14:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hate to see that our goverment has lowered to the standard of using words with more letters than the IQ level of those that use the words.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Monica Lewinski, OJ Trials, reality tv, etc.

I'd say the standards have been getting progressively lower over the past 10 years -- this one just got our attention.

On a positive side -- if you don't like what's on TV, you can always get on the radio.

Hey -- maybe this will allow us to get more operators http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kd5sdi]

I can't really throw any rocks at the guy for saying it, since I am a potty mouth. However, I would not, and do not use it on the air, or around my child, since I inherited my potty mouth from my dad.

[K0RGR]

I go along with those who said that you won't have much of a conversation with me if you use that term too much, however, my dad always referred to that as "the word that won the war", and those of us who lived through the Vietnam era should be happy that we outgrew the ability to use that term as a verb, an adjective, a noun, and an adverb, all in the same sentence.

I'm constantly amazed the places where I find references to it. You will often find variations of the term "FUBAR" embedded in the source code for popular software products - it was used in the published examples for a popular programming language, and has carried forward. I would bet that few programmers had any idea what the WWII term "FUBAR" or "FOOBAR" means ("F*'d up beyond all recognition").

Now, before you get too excited, you should visit the 'urban legends' website to see where this story really originated. Here's a URL:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/f-word.asp

I think it is important to understand that the "FCC", that is, the Commission, did not do anything. The Enforcement Bureau decided that they could not prosecute a particular incident. If you disagree with their arguments, perhaps you should petition the Commission to amend their rules to prohibit the use of this word, because it inherently refers to sexual functions.

Yes, I'd rather not ever hear the 'f' word on public TV or radio, either. One wonders how long it will be before we adopt the standards of some European countries where pornography is sold on all the magazine racks and nudity on TV is commonplace.

[kf4vgx]

Heard alot worse on HF .

[KD7EFQ]

I don't know about elsewhere, but using the F word to the wrong person in out here in WY would probably get someone's A** beat up real good. :-) 73.

[K2WH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Dec. 15 2003,12:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I understand this completely. #Look at the following instances.

1) "F" this
2) No "F'n" way
3) I'll be "F'ed"
4) You're "F'ed" up
5) "F" me
6) What the "F"
7) Holy "F"
8) You're out of your "Fn" mind.

And so on. #None of the above "F" word groups contain any relation to sexual conduct or content for that matter. #So, the FCC in it's infinite wisdom has done the correct thing.

So I guess I'll get on the air with my "F'n" Kenwood with the rotten "Sh--ty" finals.

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Just so everyone knows, I posted this tongue in cheek. I do not in anyway condone this ruling by the FCC and it should be reversed. However, I can't help think that this is part of a long range plan by the FCC to bring "fairness" and "equality" (Hollywood style) to the airwaves.

It is indeed a sad day for all.

K2WH

[k5co]

Who said the FCC is a "paper tiger"? More like a bunch of PC left wing lillies. How long American, how long?

RC
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[KG4JYE]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Dec. 16 2003,16:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1KKU @ Dec. 16 2003,13:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How can a word be offensive? #It’s only the meaning of a word that can be offensive. #The “F” word is only offensive if you interpret it as such.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Try yelling it out over the din of the crowd and state "Have a f***ing* good day and see what the reaction is. #Should tell you something is out of place.

Better yet, if "how can a word be offensive" isn't the case, try using the N word to an African-American, and see the reaction.

Unfortunately, there are many in our society that don't see "appropriate" and "inappropriate" as being two different situations.

Sad, sad, sad.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Now we're getting into inner-race relations.

The use of the "N" word may be acceptable...but only if used by an African-American. Let a caucasian use it, and watch as the Watts riots start again.

[kg4fjk]

I'm a firm beliver in the First Amendment. I have no problem with bad language used in a certain context - I have been known to use certain words loudly and with gusto #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
# # # # # # # # **BUT**
On the air, I *always* assume that kids are listening. I would sure hate to go to a Jamboree (where I would watch my sailor talk) and go on about what a fun and instructive hobby it is, and then when looking for some QSO's dial across such language. Parents already have to worry about TV and the schoolyard, they shouldn't have to worry about the Bands.
'Course, I learned all my words from my old man. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
73
Jaime

[KC5JSR]

Reality TV, I don't get it. It seems stupid to me.
I knew a single mother of two daughters that would totally ignore her children when something like survivor, or 'Mo billionaire or someother totally useless piece of program hit the airwaves.
Then when she would wake up from her dream world, and realize her children had burned popcorn in the microwave, she would come unglued.
One night in particular, the forementioned event happened, when I was visiting, I thought this being was about ready to end this childs life. Seriously.
I'm not going to go into details, but it wasn't something a loving parent would say.
I reminded her that I used to be a Police officer and she needed a time out from herself.
It really made me worry about her children, I dont know, this is one of the reasons I had to quit the force. I hate seeing children being neglected over some stupid program, if you want to call it that.
FCC! You guys need to get off your duff and get a grip on what's happening.
Enough, is enough.
We pay your saleries, now get to work.
73'
John C.

[W0LC]

I was always taught to show respect for anyone that deserved it, meaning, show respect for a fellow human being. When they stop acting civilized, then that respect goes away. It is regardless if it is someone like Saddam that is obviously screwed up, or some nit wit on 75 meters with a potty mouth. I don't respect anyone like that. I pity both. What made them into what they are is something I am not privey to knowing, but I certainly don't have to tolerate or listen to them.

There is no need to use filthy language on amateur radio let alone TV, regardless of "freedom of speech" nonsense. You can convey your sentiment without using it. It doesn't mean from time to time some of us use it in a moment of anger, it just means in most instances, your brain should do the work instead of your mouth.

I just shake my head when I read stuff like this. All these years the Feds have sent out warning notices to amateurs, who in all fairness, have a much more limited audience then TV, and now the Feds totally step backwards and tell the hollywierd tv industry, "say what you want".


Kinda reminds me of a guy, not too long ago that had a problem with the word "is".

[K4VU]

The FCC was right on with this one and I agree 100 percent.

Personally, I feel that it is about time the FCC loosened up a bit, and at least made room for content on the airwaves to better reflect mainstream society. It also provides an opportunity for media organizations to build and enforce their own standards, depending on the tastes of their audiences. Even more importantly, affords audience members the opportunity to do something that they rarely seem to do in this country (instead of just complain): that's right, take responsibility for themselves (and their families) and just turn the f---ing channel if they don't like what they see or hear instead of trying to hoist their own personal morality and standards on the rest of us. These days, most programming has all sorts of content warnings associated with it, so if you are one that is offended by profanity (or if you are trying to protect your kids), just check out the warning and avoid the broadcast like the plague if it doesn't suit you. Regulate your own environment by your own standards, and let the rest of us make our own decisions about what we deem acceptable. Not every situation is sqeaky clean and unrealistic like Leave It To Beaver or The Brady Bunch.

Consequently, it doesn't mean I want to hear it on NPR, the nightly news -- or even necessarily on the ham radio bands (but have you listened to 75ssb lately??). Nor would it necessarily be a good idea to have the F-word as part of Big Bird's vocabulary. Its all about context. Sometimes only certain words can give full expression to an emotion or message that is trying to be communicated. For example, if a film clip shows a big, burly man moving a refrigerator(sp?), and he drops it on his foot, its very unlikely that the first words out of his mouth will be 'gosh darnit'. Or if your yacking away on 20 phone in your not-so-well-grounded shack, and you get an nice little RF bite on your lips, you're unlikely to say 'gee whiz, that hurt bunches'. And even squeakly clean Bill Cosby commenting on every mother's neurotic obsession with her child's clean underwear says that if your see your about to be hit by an oncoming truck, first you're gonna say it, then you're gonna do it. Ah, context!

Context is the great clarifier, and the FCC finally figured out that the world is not black and white (as much as some folks may want it to be), and that people should be left to their own devices in describing their particular situations. Context means that I don't use the F-word around my mom (or my fiance's mom), on the air or around my ham buddies' kids -- but it does mean that around my close friends, software engineering colleagues, fellow djs and music producing friends, it is free to flow in an attempt to help me communicate more effectively with them.

Now, I've got to go finish writing some f---ing code before this f---ing deadline catches up with me.

73/robin/k4vu
thomas jefferson's biggest fan, the civil libertarian from h3ll and jerry falwell's worst nightmare

There ya go I knew it was a matter of time.
If the FCC is letting this stuff go on ham radio well Then all I can say for Ham Radio is goodbye.
The FCC is going to take us all back to Channel 19 CB where cussing is an everyday thing and no one seems to care.
There and repeat there is no place for that kind of language on ham radio lets not forget FCC there are 7 years and possibly younger children who hold a ham License so nope Im sorry no matter what it mean the F word is the Fword and theres no place for it on ham radio thank you.

Remember years ago the word "pregnant" was not allowed on TV ? They used the term expecting or with child.

If a scene showed a husband and wife going to bed for the night they had to be in separate beds !

Now you just about see the entire sexual episode.

Now today go outside when the kids are walking home from school, every other word is the "F" word. These are kids from 6 years and older.

I've been hearing it on 75m for years.

The word may have place under certian circumstances but using it on the ham bands just degrades our hobby.

Just hope the ham bands don't get like the 11m band.

[kg4rpe]

Like many other hams which I know often my family and/or freinds are listening to the radio at the same time that I am. I do not want to hear this type of language myself and I especially would be embarressed to have my family or friends in the car or my office with me and have them to hear it. It is true as my daughter gets older she will hear this type of language but I hope to be able to teach her that this is not the appropriate kind of laguage for a lady to use at any time.

[trooper]

I just f-ing noticed that my f-ing post about the f-ing fcc giving the green light for the f-ing f-word was f-ing removed . . . heh . . f---!

How are the f-ing Official Observers going to manage f-ing abuse of the f-ing spectrum if there is no f-ing standard of moral f-ing decorum?

I can see it now . . . "Welcome to the Saturday Night f-ing net. Please give your callsign in f-ing phonetics, followed by your f-ing name . . ."

Or better yet . . . C f-ing Q DE KD f-ing 7PLU . . .

What a failure . . . . What a sad f-ing failure . . .

I can imagine how this will be abused on the prime-time cop and drama shows . . .

[kg4rpe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N4HLF @ Dec. 16 2003,15:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember years ago the word "pregnant" was not allowed on TV ? They used the term expecting or with child.

If a scene showed a husband and wife going to bed for the night they had to be in separate beds !

Now you just about see the entire sexual episode.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I still can not bring my self to talk about certain subjects especially in mixed company because my parents taught me that it was not polite to talk about these things especially in mixed company.

I wish in some ways we could go back to the day's of "Leave It To Beaver" and "Mayberry".

[w5zzq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Dec. 16 2003,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I understand this completely. #Look at the following instances.

1) "F" this
2) No "F'n" way
3) I'll be "F'ed"
4) You're "F'ed" up
5) "F" me
6) What the "F"
7) Holy "F"
8) You're out of your "Fn" mind.

And so on. #None of the above "F" word groups contain any relation to sexual conduct or content for that matter. #So, the FCC in it's infinite wisdom has done the correct thing.

So I guess I'll get on the air with my "F'n" Kenwood with the rotten "Sh--ty" finals.

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I can't f***ing believe it. What is this world coming to?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K3CAV]

All right, I gotta say something here. I really don't agree that use of that word should be allowed on TV/Radio. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it.

But, several responses that were more or less condoning use of the F word said that they do not say it around their children. WE don't use it around our children, so lets allow entertainers to use it at will. We have just made Ozzy Osbourne's day, no more bleeps for him and his family.
OK, I guess I am old fashioned. Yes, I was beat by my parents when I failed to show respect to them and others. Yes, I was beat by my teachers (nuns, Catholic School). Yes, I do believe in a Supreme Being!
I will continue along my narrow-minded path of not allowing that kind of language in my house. I have a 13 year old grandson who is just itching to emulate the words and actions of his favorite rap star.
I am a moderator on a Vietnam Veterans chat and WE will not allow the use of it there. One of the rules, "use language that you would allow your grandkids to hear".

Ed/K3CAV

[KC5JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Dec. 16 2003,15:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was always taught to show respect for anyone that deserved it, meaning, show respect for a fellow human being. # When they stop acting civilized, then that respect goes away. #It is regardless if it is someone like Saddam that is obviously screwed up, or some nit wit on 75 meters with a potty mouth. #I don't respect anyone like that. #I pity both. #What made them into what they are is something I am not privey to knowing, but I certainly don't have to tolerate or listen to them.

There is no need to use filthy language on amateur radio let alone TV, regardless of "freedom of speech" nonsense. #You can convey your sentiment without using it. #It doesn't mean from time to time some of us use it in a moment of anger, it just means in most instances, your brain should do the work instead of your mouth.

I just shake my head when I read stuff like this. #All these years the Feds have sent out warning notices to amateurs, who in all fairness, have a much more limited audience then TV, and now the Feds totally step backwards and tell the hollywierd tv industry, "say what you want".


Kinda reminds me of a guy, not too long ago that had a problem with the word "is".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thank you, WELL said
73'
John C.

If the fcc had done their homework they would have found that the F word was first used by the New York City Police Dept to Highlight sexual offense files(rape) and the F word meant forced unlawful carnal knowledge".
How in the world can this word not be used in a sexual nature. But then again what the h--l do I know. Is this what amatuer radio and society is coming to? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[WD8OQX]

I had another post on here that was a joke to prove a point but after thinking about it, it was what I was pointing out so I deleted it. My thought on it was that there are kids that read these (I know because my daughter does) & I can see them asking what all these letters stand for or if old enough put it together themselves. We are starting to do what we are complaining about (be it that it is censored to some degree).

In a totally adult environment I can tolerate doing this (I'm not perfect either) but I think we should let the kids be "Innocent Kids" as long as possible. They grow up to fast & learn the nasty stuff to fast as it is.

With this I vote to keep it clean!!!!

Watch out Howard Stern will abuse this LOL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ka2gxe]

I've been taught that ham radio and access to the public airwaves is a privilege, not a right. My license is a privilege, not a right. Just because we have rights doesn't mean it's proper to push the envelope and abuse the privilege. We are known by the language we use. And the whole world judges us by what they hear on the air. I expect the person I speak with to converse with me as though we both had young children in our presence. In short, he keeps it clean or he can eat static. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kg4ivt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kf4vgx @ Dec. 16 2003,14:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heard alot worse on #HF .[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, frankly I'd rather hear someone do a rendition of George Carlin's Seven Dirty Words thing than hear some OF ramble on about his myriad of physical ailments that would probably make their proctologist (or whatever) blush........or vomit.

Wanna keep the bands clean? #Do the world (and everyone's mind's eye) a favor and keep your ED to yourself.

[k4oss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w0hsn @ Dec. 16 2003,17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If the fcc had done their homework they would have found that the F word #was first used by the New York City Police Dept to Highlight sexual offense files(rape) and the F word meant forced unlawful carnal knowledge".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Uhh, I think you're the one that needs to do your homework.......

[K3RGG]

The FCC says it's a free speach issue ? Well maybe, but I don't see a need for it on TV. Anything for ratings ? Who keeps lowering the bar ?

[n0klu]

And all those Pro-Coders thought that it would be those pesky No-Coders that would turn Ham into CB land....
Looks like the FCC Just did in one fell swoop to alow the very launguage that I left CB because of back in the late 70's early 80's. too bad, and I thought that Ham was better than that.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[n5qxp]

What's the big deal?

Has anyone listened to the group on 28.410?

Ho-hum....yawn.

[kd4mxe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n5qxp @ Dec. 16 2003,19:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's the big deal?

Has anyone listened to the group on 28.410?

Ho-hum....yawn.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
no They were to Busy listening to C b ,

[n5vkn]

Hello All! #Most Movies or TV Shows that have possible offensive content in them do have a warning at the beginning of them. This allows us to view the show or not. I am a little confused....should we announce that foul language is about to be used? Would this be in keeping with FCC rules? Sounds crazy doesn't it? Too many listen to our broadcast that would take offence to bad language so just don't use it on the air. I have young kids in my home that are interested in ham radio. I know they would not think much of ham radio if they heard bad language on the air. We are Ambassadors of Ham Radio. Do the right thing. 73's All and May God Bless.

[kc4kmg]

Down the slippery slope we continue to go! I've worked in the broadcast business for 30 years, and see no "useful" purpose for that language in commercial radio, or amateur radio.

[K8YS]

This whole issue is too funny for words... and words mean something, or else the word would not exist.

In this current over sensitive society, when a minor faction wants "God" removed from our money (it offends), sports teams names are under attack (oh these offend too), but words that ARE offensive and were previously banned, are now OK to use - oh, provided it is an insult, and not a action.

Here is how I assume were are to know what is acceptable and what is not. NOUNS are BAD, VERBS are GOOD.

[kc2kvz]

The "f word" is much much older than the NYPD's use of it....it's an old german word meaning, of all things, to fornicate. But I digress. The FCC should be held to task for this unfortunate slip in brain functioning. It is indeed a sad day for TV, radio etc. What's next, the congressional record?? Just my $0.02

Of course if you dont tune in next year they might get the point at the network. ACTIONS really do speak louder than words. By the way I think that word is a very
colorful adjective and use it often myself. Just not on the air or in mixed company. Common sense sure is a valuable tool to use.

[kb3jgp]

Having returned to Ham Radio recently i have believed the standards for operation were held in very high regard. Ifind no need for this profanity in our hobby which can only lead to the degredation of the high operating standards. Further more i am appalled at the behavior that exists on the Citizens Band .There may be a time and a place for that type of behavior and language but i do not believe that it is in Ham radio.
Disappointed KB3JGP

[wixy]

so let me get this straight
the f-bomb is covered under free speech
but #i cant use the word dam on the air to describe the dam tour i went on at hoover dam

[K0RGR]

As I recall, the tour guide at Hoover Dam referred to it as the "dam tour", too. The day we were there, the official temperature in line for tickets was 130F. Dam!

When I was in Flanders, I soon discovered that F*! is a common Dutch word that means the same thing there that it means over here. We always say "excuse my French" when we use vulgarity, but in fact, we should probably be saying "excuse my Dutch". Many of the insults and words for bodily functions seem to have been brought to America by the Pilgrims, who picked them up in Holland while passing through - though it may also explain the colorful language of cab drivers in old 'New Amsterdam', too.

No, I'm usually in the liberal camp, but you can put me on the list that would prefer not to see this word on public TV or radio. But, if you want a real danger, get the 'unedited' version of some of the most popular rap music out there. Rape is a much uglier word than F*!, and the gansta's all talk about raping their bitches and ho's. It will be a miracle if we don't spawn a generation of sex killers from listening to that horrible stuff.

[AB0SI]

So, commercial TV can now use the same terms as 75m phonehas been using for years? Seems fair to me. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Paul AB0SI

[kc0ebm]

Thanks Fred for maintaining a standard on this board. #Just wish we could enforce a reasonable standard on the air.

I'm glad to see that we have finally reached "the threshold of offense" and the silent majority has awakened and they are ready to speak out in protest.

I, for one, will not QSO with a ham who uses profanity.
Instead, I listen carefully to their QSOs and record their other violations and send them in. #A ham who cares so little for the sensitivities of others also cares nothing about the amateur radio rules. #Eventually, usually immediately, they commit an actionable violation and I submit it to the FCC for enforcement action.

I suggest others do likewise. #Eventually, the cost benefit analysis will reveal that its much safer to express onesself without the use of profanity rather than continue to use profanity and risk being taped and filed upon for actionable violations.

We don't have to rely of the FCC to enforce a reasonable standard. #We can do it ourselves. #And that's what I intend to do.

73

Tom Friess KCØEBM

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Guest @ Dec. 16 2003,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of course if you dont tune in next year they might get the point at the network. ACTIONS really do speak louder than words. By the way I think that word is a very
colorful adjective and use it often myself. Just not on the air or in mixed company. Common sense sure is a valuable tool to use.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
d00d. i got some bad news for you: very few hams fit the demographic that the network cares about.

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3RGG @ Dec. 16 2003,18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The FCC says it's a free speach issue ? Well maybe, but I don't see a need for it on TV. Anything for ratings ? Who keeps lowering the bar ?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
consumers.

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka2gxe @ Dec. 16 2003,18:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just because we have rights doesn't mean it's proper to push the envelope and abuse the privilege.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

A right never exercises is no right.

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Dec. 16 2003,19:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This whole issue is too funny for words... and words mean something, or else the word would not exist.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Of course words mean something. Most of them mean more than one thing depending on context. The irony of the FCC decision is that they did point out that the word being considered, when used in context like the case at point, is no more than a tired overused adjective.

Kinda like the word 'bitch', which is either a perfectly ordinary term of art in dog breeding or an insult; depending on how you use it.

[N5RLR]

<span style='color:blue'>[Gets out book and pencil] Okay...anybody want to give odds on how long this thread is going to run? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Seriously...I'm one of those who, admittedly, is known to use "colorful" language on occasion [try remaining cheerful when grabbing the wrong end of a soldering iron or banging a knuckle when a wrench slips]. #But, as others have mentioned, it's done for the most part in context; around those who will tolerate it [friends and family, usually male], but almost always never around business associates or those whom I don't know very well [especially female]. #Self-censorship? #No, self-restraint. #Just because one can do something, doesn't necessarily mean one should.

Of course, not everyone believes this; there are those who will pretty much do as they will, just because they can. #But it doesn't follow that everyone will join them. #Or, tolerate their actions.

I believe that the FCC's allowing the "F" word, pretty much steps over the line of common decency. #Notice I said, "common." #What is "decent" to one, may not be "decent" to another; but along the way there has to be a median standard that all can agree upon and adhere to.

I say, let 'em know about it...complaints may have an effect, and then, they may not. #But at least the sentiments of the taxpayers will be made known.

I too, appreciate Fred, AA7BQ for upholding a standard on QRZ.Com.

Now...pardon me while I pop a bag of popcorn, sit back and watch the fur fly...[just kidding!] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif</span>

[kl1y]

This is a copy of the email that I sent to the FCC Chairman and Commissioners.


Mr. Chairman,

I am disappointed by the ruling of the FCC that the "F" word be allowed as a term of free speech when expressed with no sexual reference.

We should be able to decide what our children will hear and what we want to hear. Appropriately labeled movies allow us to be forewarned of profane language and indecent scenery.

It is my understanding that it is OK to use the "F" word in radio broadcast and in Amateur Radio now also. Young children are licensed as radio amateurs. If I had known that a radio operator could use the "F" word or any other obscene word at will, I would not have allowed my son to be licensed at the age of 11. I will not be able to monitor my amateur radio while driving my pastor around either since it would be embarrassing if he heard an obscene comment come from the radio. I am extremely proud of the moral standards upheld by the amateur radio community. Please don’t open the way for the demise of our morals.

Please help stop the erosion American values.

Respectfully,

CW3 Roderick Mitchell, KL7YU
U.S. Army
Ft Wainwright, Alaska

[kb2wye]

foul language - sounds like 75-meters... on a recent contact with a young lad from Oregon - "thanks for the f'ing QSO"

[k4iii]

Anyone using terminology in line with this one on my repeater (without being in a major accident or disasterous situation at the time) will be BANNED and EVICTED whether the FCC's ruling allows it or not. Also he or she can expect a letter to the FCC if he or she continues using the system after a letter of notification is sent!

Keep profanity in the adult shops, car, cell, and at work or wherever it is used! As for many of the recent musicians, Belefonte, Dixie Chicks, etc... They can take their "high school drop-out" vocabulary and "wanna-be" politician & lawyer advice and have conversations with their pets for all I care. Maybe the Grammy's should be titled the "Garby's"?

I will also not talk with anyone or continue talking with anyone using vulgar terminology. If you agree, do the same and make them pick up a cell phone and call someone else to spit at...

[n0zu]

<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>You have to remember #we are ham radio operators


We can #not broadcast and we are not to advertise to sell pop, cars, and anything not related to ham radio

If you remeber when you took your test you are not to use any word like

DAMN, HELL, SH??, PENIS, fu?? AND ANY OTHER PROFANE WORDS


But you hear those words being used on the HF BANDS .


you tell them they should not use these words, and they say the TV and RADIO does so we can to.


WELL YOU ARE WRONG


So you better think before you use those words</span>

<span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'>Remember WE # ARE # NOT # BROADCAST # STATIONS #</span>

<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>maybe they need to retake the tests so they can remeber.</span>

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>This is part of the reason that some people that have wanted to become a ham operator DON'T.</span>

A few months ago I was talking to someone on 2 meters when the other person started in with the foul language. I didn't want to hear it so I gave my call sign, said "clear" and turned the radio off.

If the people who are offended by the use of foul language on the air stop talking to the people using it, they might get the message that such language isn't acceptable.

[ne1ll]

I ca't believe it. The FCC is prejudice, it has allowed it's self to be bullied.

[W0LC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n5qxp @ Dec. 16 2003,19:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's the big deal?

Has anyone listened to the group on 28.410?

Ho-hum....yawn.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Didn't hear them. Probably some no-coders trying out their soon to be given, voice privs! Hi.

Seriously though, this is another reason I have so much "faith" in the Federal Government.

They always seem to now and then, stick their head in the sand and fart. Great thought process and great decision. I am sure this will open some doors previously locked in broadcast TV.

Common sense just doesn't rule any more it seems.

[AE4ZV]

A wise man once said:

Never protect by rights, what is wrong by reason.

If you are out shooting a game of pool with the guys or whatever, then it's no big deal. But on the air, you don't really know who's listening. Even in this day and age, a lot of people are still shocked and offended by certain words and phrases. With me, it's simply a matter of respect and consideration (does anybody remember these things?) for others, not to use them on the airwaves. What we have a "right" to do is one thing. What we CHOOSE to do, reflects upon ourselves in the positive or negative.
We have rights, that's true, but we also have certain social responsibilities that need to be addressed.

73' #Frank./ AE4ZV

[w4dlh]

For a group that prides itself on "communication" I can not imagine needing to use such language. Perhaps those individuals need to work to choose words that more clearly communicate their thoughts.

The FCC position is the minimum acceptable. Are we just minimum?

73,
KG4GTQ

[KU2S]

Okay boys and girls... Here's how I see the matter...

The FCC is right on in their ruling. Obviously they had a choice to make... Protect free speech (on the part of the award winning potty-mouth), or fine the network big time for a missed edit.

Now understand this: Simply because the ruling allows use of the word on commercial TV and radio does NOT make it acceptable. The use of the word can STILL be found to be obscene and therefore use of the word can STILL be actionable under FCC rules. Understand that the FCC has allowed the use of the word in CERTAIN cases. It has not been given a blanket approval and in all cases, it's the CONTEXT, not the actual word that is to be judged.

The fact of the matter is that if an operator were to present himself on the ham bands with F-this and F-that, he could be reported for purposeful interference AND for obscene communications and the FCC COULD still take action on that operator.

Now, are we Vulcan clear on this?

[ac3p]

One of the reasons I stopped trying to say "good luck" in morse. When I first started I had trouble with mixing up "F' and "L".

Seriously, we should keep that kind of talk off the ham bands. Kids may be listening. My kids certainly are.

[wd4gun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N4HLF @ Dec. 16 2003,15:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember years ago the word "pregnant" was not allowed on TV ? They used the term expecting or with child.

If a scene showed a husband and wife going to bed for the night they had to be in separate beds !

Now you just about see the entire sexual episode.

Now today go outside when the kids are walking home from school, every other word is the "F" word. These are kids from 6 years and older.

I've been hearing it on 75m for years.

The word may have place under certian circumstances but using it on the ham bands just degrades our hobby.

Just hope the ham bands don't get like the 11m band.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
duh--------------- if you have been hearing it on 75 mtrs. for years. don't that mean its been there for a while !!!!!! hey ya'll guys wake up, when the cb crave started dying,its only because you guys got an amateur license,lets face it ,whats happening on the amateur bands is only because the operators don't have anything good to talk about, lets quit downing something or someone that you yourself use to be..... and yes don't curse---it shows your i q , GOD #pleaseeeeeeee help us all, we are all guilty of some sort of bad, but the only way to clean up is to start at your own door---if you don't reply to bad -->it will leave <-- ( still don't know why you listened to it for years)

[KD7EFQ]

Well, I guess Singapore ranks above the U.S.A. at least on decency laws. You'd get publicly whipped by a martial arts master with a bamboo pole for this type of behavior. We could learn something from Singapore. 73.

[kf4vgx]

The Radio Amateur is:

Considerate... Never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others # ( Or Post )
Loyal... Offers loyalty, encouragement and support to other amateurs, local clubs, through which Amateur radio in the United States is represented nationally and internationally.
Progressive... With the knowledge abreast of science, a well built and efficient station and operation above reproach.
Friendly... Slow and patient operating when requested; friendly advice and counsel to the beginner; kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others. These are the hallmarks of the Amateur spirit.
Balanced... Radio is an avocation, never interfering with the duties owed to family, job, school, or community.
Patriotic... Station and skill always ready for service to country and community.

I truly beleve in this #! # As I agree that the world has changed . #But I also beleve posting blank words that resemble foul language are not good for the QRZ fourm.
Any young person can fill in the blanks.
I'm no saint as far as using profanitiy .
But we have #(young ) and Public Eyes eveywhere these days.
I just respect the public and Ham Bands enough #not to disrespect the rights of others to hear it.!

[kd5jxu]

I can't wait till ELMO, Barney, Clifford the Big Red Dog and other have there FCC rights to teach my children these below IQ level words. Its bad enough when my 8 year old comes home from school and sneaks me to the side to see if a word is good or bad. 9 times out of 10 I wouldn't repeat the word myself except on a sailing vessel or a truck stop.
Let's help keep our bands clean. It looks like we are going to have to resort to public humility to get rid of the HF abusers. I suspect that the FCC don't care much anymore. Typical goverment work, do as little for them and then we will take possesion of what they are not using.

[ki5f]

I am proud to say that I have never heard that language on 2 meters in NE Mississippi. I monitor the local repeaters most every night. It may go on on simplex, but I've never heard it.

I am new to HF. My question is why do people use such bad language on 75 meters? When I finally get an HF rig, I will never use that language on the bands.

Tim
KC5IJP[B]

[K3ESE]

This wouldn't have happened if there were still the 13- and 20-wpm code tests, and you all know it.

[W0LC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3ESE @ Dec. 17 2003,08:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This wouldn't have happened if there were still the 13- and 20-wpm code tests, and you all know it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I seriously doubt you could actually mean that......
This issue has been on amateur radio bands for years.

Unfortunately, with the FCC's recent abandonment of sanity, this may increase due to precedence being set.

[K7PIG]

Again I'll state this:"This Country is at the bottom of 'ALL DECENCY.'
No chacater, No Morales, No Responsibilty, nothing but obscentities.
I don't not put any blame on Foreign amateurs not desiring to speak with Amaerican amateurs at all. Americans have their own obscene ways of telliing others to just go get F---KED.

Deplorable discipline in this Country.
Your free to live in another Country and see how far you can push youy filthy American words.

[k5co]

One wonders how many of the FCC Commishes we inherited from the Clinton Administration . There was nothing vulgar about blue dresses in the oval room and on and on.

How long will all of you stand for this? As for myself, I've written to the FCC and will continue to do so. They are about as f--=ed up as can be (fouled up)! Such Paragons of decency for the next generation to follow. Your kids are learning from them.

RC

[WF7I]

Part of the problem is that Hollywood and the record industry have created an image that to be dumb is cool, and the foul language is associated with the whole dumb & dumber "dude" mentality. Kids have bought into it since their single mom parents keep them plugged into a TV 24/7 to shut them up. And society seems to reward those who are increasingly unqualified/inept and the mass media keeps defining almost anyone who does their job adequately as a "hero".

I'm neither liberal nor conservative but I do know that using the "f" word and other such behavior is dragging us down as a society. The rest of the world largely sees us as a bunch of morons (I know this from dealing with LOTS of foreigners in my line of work). It's embarassing but sadly it seems like the momentum down this road is still increasing.

The ham bands reflect some of this behavior as well. Ask any old time ham and he will reflect on the increasing rudeness on the bands.

All we can do as hams is not join in with the "f'in" trend and continue to try in our own way to maintain a high level of conduct.

[K4GF]

I'm beginning to think that those in the FCC are losing it!

How can anyone in their right mind try to separate the meaning of a cuss word into "acceptable" and "unacceptable" usage? Try this reasoning when raising your children and see how far it goes. I

The FCC's action in this matter shows how far down the cesspool our "so-called" leaders are willing to take us in their efforts to "enlighten" the masses.

Merry Christmas to everyone! (oops, did I just offend anyone by saying this with this? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

Steve, K4GF

[wb9eck]

So what! #You people better crawl out from under the rocks you've been living under and get a grip!

[K4GF]

So what?

I respectfully submit that my head has been out of the sand for a long time.

The FCC's ruling is a reflection of where our society has been heading for some time. Frankly, I'm sick of it and of those in power who are trying everything to corrupt our society even further by lowering the bar on what they deem is "acceptable" when, in reality, it is not.

The people with their heads in the sand are those who continue to either ignore or openly support actions such as what the FCC has done. These peopler are the ones that many of our "enlightened" leaders would love to control since they are choosing not to think for themselves.

Steve, K4GF

[K3ESE]

Hey! Anyone out there who thinks this isn't about code vs. No-Code, you better wise up!

Sounds to me like someone needs to study the broadcast standards a little more closely. The FCC gives certain exemptions to "obscene" language when it is used during a live event, such as a newscast or I would guess, the Golden Globe awards. For junk like the MTV Video Music awards where they know some idiot that is half drunk, like Pink or Eminem is going to probably use the F-word, they usually have a delay. Try using the F-word on the amateur bands and see how long you hold a license. I used to run audio at a TV station and we had a remote truck engineer say the f word one time when he didn't realize his mic was on in the truck. We didn't get fined luckily, but I bet he got a good talking to by the news director, after I recovered from my heart attact at the audio board. Please don't curse on the ham bands folks. The bands are bad enough now as it is, we don't need them becoming like channel 19 on the C.B. What does all this have to do with amateur radio to begin with? Hmmmm.

[K4JSR]

I guess this just goes to show that FCC stands for,
"F Citizens Completely"!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
73, Cal K4JSR

[w0aew]

Sticks and stones may break my bones,
but words will never hurt me.

I'm sure there are more serious things to fret about.

[KG4UYW]

A quote from someone famous (can't remember who):

" cursing is a weak mind, straining to express itself ".

[n3wjl]

Well I know a lot of HAMs will use the F word once the FCC removes the CW requirment.

[K4VU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4gtq @ Dec. 17 2003,06:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
KG4GTQ>The FCC position is the minimum acceptable. Are we >just minimum?

exactly. i'm 100% behind the FCC's new ruling (as stated in a previous post), but in my 25+ years of being a ham, my experience is that the vast majority of amateurs are a cut above, and we have always been pretty good at regulating ourselves. of course, there have always been exceptions, and there always will be (remember WA4?'s long no-this and no-that CQs back in the early 80's on 75 phone, or folks who intentionally tune up their kw on top of a dx pileup just to create QRM -- not exactly profanity, but much more offensive in spirit than any four-letter words could ever be).

what really bothers me is not that i am in the minority opinion on my views about this -- open debate is a beautiful process, and a very essential part of free expression (and exactly what i am trying to get at). what bothers me is all of the gloom-and-doom in this thread about what is going to happen to ham radio as a consequence of the ruling. I have always been of the opinion that hams were a notch above the noise, and that we didn't need a lot of 'thou-shalt-nots' in order to regulate ourselves. we generally do the right thing and the vast majority of us rise to our best behavior while on the air. again, there are exceptions, but there always have been. personally, i believe that this ruling won't change too much of anything for us.

my grandfather -- a wise, kind-hearted man who served in china as a seabee in wwII -- once told me, "never crap in your own bed -- you'll never get rid of the smell". maybe i think more of hams than most, but i just don't see the bulk of us taking a dump in the sheets.

73/robin/k4vu
the bill of rights rules -- or at least it should.

[N9TTX]

One hears the 4-letter words all the time on broadcast radio stations...so apparently it is all right to do so in this day and age. I think the rules for them need to be tightened up also. On a related point, I heard a blurb on radio one day that is related to this thread. Emo Phillips (remember him??) was in the studio, and they wer talking about comedians and their language. He said that in his opinion, a comedian that uses and relies on the F-word (or any obscenity for that matter) is like a martial arts expert who needs a gun. I think the commission should have their heads examined...at least in this issue. My 2 cents worth.

Dave...N9TTX

[W0LC]

Thank goodness most of the folks on here are clear minded enough to understand what is appropriate and what isn't!

The bad apples you will hear on 20/75 phone are just that, the bad apples. Those you will always have. I just hope this whole thing gets more serious attention and we all move on to bigger and better things to do. Sounds to me like someone at the FCC screwed up, plain and simple.

And yes, I do know what the meaning of the word "is" means. Hi.

[KC5JSR]

For anyone interested, check out,[URL=http://onemilliondads.com

[KU2S]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (michael1998 @ Dec. 17 2003,12:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sounds to me like someone needs to study the broadcast standards a little more closely. #The FCC gives certain exemptions to "obscene" language when it is used during a live event, such as a newscast or I would guess, the Golden Globe awards. #For junk like the MTV Video Music awards where they know some idiot that is half drunk, like Pink or Eminem is going to probably use the F-word, they usually have a delay. #Try using the F-word on the amateur bands and see how long you hold a license. #I used to run audio at a TV station and we had a remote truck engineer say the f word one time when he didn't realize his mic was on in the truck. We didn't get fined luckily, but I bet he got a good talking to by the news director, after I recovered from my heart attact at the audio board. #Please don't curse on the ham bands folks. #The bands are bad enough now as it is, we don't need them becoming like channel 19 on the C.B. #What does all this have to do with amateur radio to begin with? #Hmmmm.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Exactly. Like I said... There's a very real and, to the FCC, significant difference between a missed edit and purposefully foul and abusive language on the airwaves..

[kg4kww]

<!--QuoteBegin--n3wjl] #Posted: Dec. 17 2003+11
[Well I know a lot of HAMs will use the F word once the FCC removes the CW requirment.--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n3wjl] #Posted: Dec. 17 2003 @ 11
[Well I know a lot of HAMs will use the F word once the FCC removes the CW requirment.)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I don't know where you have been lately, but, code has not kept the HF bands free of toilet mouth people. So, dropping CW or keeping it will not make bit of diff.

I don't care for the foul language, but, in the U.S. we have freedom of speach, and that's what this is about.

[ag4hy]

kc5jsr
a good old nashville slugger baseball bat is a real good one http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
willie ag4hy

[aa1mn]

What is the BIG DEAL abou this?

It is certainly understandable that people, myself included, find certain things objectionable wheather it be language, pictures, commentary, etc.

Barring somce exceptions, none of us are made to listen, read, or watch such material or deal with such people in our private lives.

When someone doesn't have the base intelligence to change the channel, shut it off, stop listening to it, not read or watch it then there is NO sympathy -- on my part any way -- that is going to be extended to such an individual(s) who lack the brains to walk away.

People have the right, within the law, to be obnoxious but none of us has to subject ourselves with it.

Deal.

73s,

Chuck, AA1MN

[W0LC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n3wjl @ Dec. 17 2003,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I know a lot of HAMs will use the F word once the FCC removes the CW requirment.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That may be true, at least it will be in CW where only a few will understand it. Hi.

[NO7S]

Follow the money$$$$

As soon as we hams are able to generate the kind of revenue it takes to line the pockets of the politicians, which in turn line the pockets of the lobbyists, which in turn line the pockets of the entity which governs our hobby...... oops. Guess it wouldn't be a hobby anymore.
(But then, I still would have no reason to say it.)

Like Gordon Summoner once said... "...they all look like game show hosts to me."

Bob

p.s.b.t.w.: Mr. Haynie, you always look smashing in that tie, sir.

[kc7jty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa7bq @ Dec. 16 2003,11:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This FCC opinion is not limited to commercial broadcasters. #It in fact applies to all such "indecency laws" and as a result, also to amateur radio. #So, the next time you hear someone using the F-word on the air, just note that it's a free speech issue, and a word which the FCC says is OK, depending on the circumstances of it's use and whether or not there is an actual sexual connotation to the remark.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Looks like the CBers were well ahead of their time! I don't really think this way but I couldn't resist the shot.

Harper's magazine doesn't shy away from printing the "F" word, but with them it is good in my opinion that they don't. Even the "F" word can be used properly. Harper's ain't Hollywood though.
Bill

[kc7jty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 17 2003,13:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the BIG DEAL abou this?

It is certainly understandable that people, myself included, find certain things objectionable wheather it be language, pictures, commentary, etc.

Barring somce exceptions, none of us are made to listen, read, or watch such material or deal with such people in our private lives.

When someone doesn't have the base intelligence to change the channel, shut it off, stop listening to it, not read or watch it then there is NO sympathy -- on my part any way -- that is going to be extended to such an individual(s) who lack the brains to walk away.

People have the right, within the law, to be obnoxious but none of us has to subject ourselves with it.

Deal.

73s,

Chuck, AA1MN

[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
When it becomes so widespread that you can't walk away from it then what?

[w8kir]

All I can say is what do you expect from a "if feels good do it" #society. If you look at how are children are taught English grammer in our schools you can't expect anything more than colorful #medaphours out of their mouths. Listen to your child's teachers, they don't know how to #use proper grammer themselves, how do you expect them to teach our children.

# # I remember something that my Father taught me as a child and I will Never forget it, it goes like this.


# # "PROFANITY IS THE EFFORT OF A FEEBLE MIND THAT TRIES TO EXPRESS ITSELF FORCIBLY"

I think that says it all.

Bill NØMBW

[W3LOW]

All:

Let's face it folks. #If we used the 'F' word in school, we would be told about it. #Or at least when I went to school we were. #So are we now going to accept it in schools? #Where are the limits? #Those who want to lie to themselves, thinking that using foul language is acceptable; my feeling are of sorrow for you. #Those of limited vocabulary or just too plain lazy to talk intelligently and should remain off the air. #We don't want you. #We don't need you. #The problem is that foul language is too widely accepted and used in today's world and now obviously accepted by the FCC. I don't care how the FCC slices it, it is still unacceptable vocabulary. # Amateur radio is filled enough with garbage mouths and the FCC is not helping matters with this ruling. #If I hear anyone, using that language on the air, they will be told that it is offensive to me and please don't use it or it will be the end of the QSO immediately. #In a world of ever decreasing morals, we don't need a ruling like this from the FCC. #It was first BPL now this. #Wish those in charge in the FCC would wake up and get with it!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif [B]

David, W3LOW

[kc7jty]

Anyone care to deal from the race deck? I'm thinking it wasn't a white guy that said it, and I have no idea about who it was.

[W3LOW]

All:

Let's face it folks. #If we used the 'F' word in school, we would be told about it. #Or at least when I went to school we were. #So are we now going to accept it in schools? #Where are the limits? #Those who want to lie to themselves, thinking that using foul language is acceptable; my feeling are of sorrow for you. #Those of limited vocabulary or just too plain lazy to talk intelligently and should remain off the air. #We don't want you. #We don't need you. #The problem is that foul language is too widely accepted and used in today's world and now obviously accepted by the FCC. I don't care how the FCC slices it, it is still unacceptable vocabulary. # Amateur radio is filled enough with garbage mouths and the FCC is not helping matters with this ruling. #If I hear anyone, using that language on the air, they will be told that it is offensive to me and please don't use it or it will be the end of the QSO immediately. #In a world of ever decreasing morals, we don't need a ruling like this from the FCC. #It was first BPL now this. #Wish those in charge in the FCC would wake up and get with it!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif [B]

David
W3LOW

[KH2D]

Anyone care to deal from the race deck? I'm thinking it wasn't a white guy that said it, and I have no idea about who it was.

I think the last time we checked, Bono was still a white boy, but I'm sure Fred and the moderators here wouldn't mind a good racial "discussion" since there aren't any See Double You arguments going on right now and the background check discussion suddenly disappeared, hopefully on the advice of somebody's lawyer. Pageviews, pageviews, we need those pageviews.....

By the way, this incident didn't happen "recently", it happened a year ago. Read all about it in the Urban Legends department at:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/f-word.asp

Shucks. Maybe you will still get your weenie whacked if you use the F word on the repeater. That sucks, especially after Fred told us it's OK.......

73, Jim KH2D

[k2ctr]

Thank you for your vigilance on trying to keep this forum enjoyable for me and my family, and restricitng the use of foul language.
Mark
K9ZY

[WA3MME]

I have spent over 50 yrs in construction work. Most of us who have are notoriously known for our explicit vocabulary. Unfortunate, YES, but it gets the point intended to some where more pleasent words will have no effect what so ever. How ever, we as Ham radio ops in my opinion, must stay aloof from such activity. We perhaps should express our agree/disagree of this rule via our ARRL area Directors, and have them bring what ever action the majority indicates before the FCC, requesting an "EXCEPTION" to the Rule as concerns Ham Radio. An example of the detrimental effect if left stand as is=(And the first place it's going to happen) Let us suppose some one uses the phrase on some Repeater frequency, which the Trustee or Control op takes exception to and shuts down the sys. Now, are they going to have to risk a CLASS ACTION suit for denying "Free Speech" with possible monitary liability individually. If thus is the case, it will I forsee, rapidly decline the desire of anyone to continue with or consider presenting these systems to the general useage of their fellow hams. "The Mouse Ears has spoke" Tks Fergy

It's a matter of choise; to be intelligent or not.

[w6em]

Fred: #Thanks for your vigilence (in keeping this site free of filth).

We all need to recognize that commercial broadcasting is all about money. #And, new ventures such as BPL are also all about and driven by money. #Our commissioners are the best that money can buy from both political parties.....

Now, having said that, the amateur community is no match for commercial interests. #My recent posting about FCC Background Checks (which you deleted) was designed to illustrate just how far the FCC can and probably will go where only one almost defenseless individual can be singled out. #Even with our ARRL, we are no match for the wealth of Hollyweird and Wall Street when it comes to commission influence.

So, if we don't want to be used as whipping boys, we had best tow the line, so to speak, and keep our transmissions clean.

And, to the lawyers out there, if you think 'equal enforcement' would be a defense, well...... without big bucks behind you, you haven't a prayer. #Don't bother calling Newington.

Just ask the Texas ham who's serving time who will soon have his license pulled, yet Rush continues to rant on (and will even if found guilty of what's he's been charged with by a Florida court.)


Lee
W6EM

[kd4mxe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd4gun @ Dec. 17 2003,06:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N4HLF @ Dec. 16 2003,15:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember years ago the word "pregnant" was not allowed on TV ? They used the term expecting or with child.

If a scene showed a husband and wife going to bed for the night they had to be in separate beds !

Now you just about see the entire sexual episode.

Now today go outside when the kids are walking home from school, every other word is the "F" word. These are kids from 6 years and older.

I've been hearing it on 75m for years.

The word may have place under certian circumstances but using it on the ham bands just degrades our hobby.

Just hope the ham bands don't get like the 11m band.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
duh--------------- if you have been hearing it on 75 mtrs. for years. don't that mean its been there for a while !!!!!! hey ya'll guys wake up, when the cb crave started dying,its only because you guys got an amateur license,lets face it ,whats happening on the amateur bands is only because the operators don't have anything good to talk about, lets quit downing something or someone that you yourself use to be..... and yes don't curse---it shows your i q , GOD #pleaseeeeeeee help us all, we are all guilty of some sort of bad, but the only way to clean up is to start at your own door---if you don't reply to bad -->it will leave <-- ( still don't know why you listened to it for years)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
wd4gun I think you got it right there ,

[KB2KAB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n0zu @ Dec. 17 2003,03:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>You have to remember #we are ham radio operators


We can #not broadcast and we are not to advertise to sell pop, cars, and anything not related to ham radio

If you remeber when you took your test you are not to use any word like

DAMN, HELL, SH??, PENIS, fu?? AND ANY OTHER PROFANE WORDS


But you hear those words being used on the HF BANDS .


you tell them they should not use these words, and they say the TV and RADIO does so we can to.


WELL YOU ARE WRONG


So you better think before you use those words</span>

<span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'>Remember WE # ARE # NOT # BROADCAST # STATIONS #</span>

<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>maybe they need to retake the tests so they can remeber.</span>

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>This is part of the reason that some people that have wanted to become a ham operator DON'T.</span>
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
[B] #:angry BREAKER 19, BREAKER 19, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE HAM RADIO IS? THIS IS SOUNDING LIKE HAM RADIO IS GOING THE WAY OF C.B.

THIS IS NOTHING. YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO SOME OF THE LOCAL REPEATER HERE ON STATEN ISLAND. YOU WOULD CRY. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K4VU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Dec. 17 2003,14:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n3wjl @ Dec. 17 2003,11http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif5)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I know a lot of HAMs will use the F word once the FCC removes the CW requirment.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That may be true, at least it will be in CW where only a few will understand it. #Hi.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
...and then we'll just make up an abbreviation for it, cuz we can't be bothered to spell out an entire word. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

new Q-signals anyone??

[KH2D]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn2207 @ Dec. 17 2003,18<!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's a matter of choise; to be intelligent or not.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Anonymouse morality. Always the best kind.

As for Q signals, I imagine QFU would be a good starting point. Some new Q signals could take the boredom out of all this DX stuff....

QRZ
YO QFU
YO QFU2
TNX
PSE QSL
R QRZ

73, Jim KH2D

[K4VU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KH2D @ Dec. 17 2003,19:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for Q signals, I imagine QFU would be a good starting point. Some new Q signals could take the boredom out of all this DX stuff....

QRZ
YO QFU
YO QFU2
TNX
PSE QSL
R QRZ[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
...and also, for those who wish to express themselves without hitting the 7-words:

QBM -- bite me (excellent in mixed-company situations)
QAH -- referring to someone acting like his rectum
QFT -- referring to that awful smell in the shack an hour after eating the fritos and bean dip.
QBS -- self-explanatory

...and not to forget the folks in G-land

QBH -- bloody 'ell (in that michael palin kind-of accent)
QPO -- piss off (when you just want that lid tuning up on the DX station to go away).

with all of that, i can't wait to get back on the air. #anyone for 14.030??

happy holidays, everyone -- and don't forget to put K4VU in your cybernanny content blocking program if you have lil' chillen' in da house (i did see the word 'smart-a$$' displayed on the CNN ticker today, so i guess that one is okay since one of furher bush's guys said it first).

[wd5kca]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ag4hy @ Dec. 17 2003,13:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kc5jsr
a good old nashville slugger baseball bat is a real good one http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
willie ag4hy[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thought it was Louisville Slugger...they make hockey sticks too.'http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif'http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[wd5kca]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ Dec. 17 2003,15:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone care to deal from the race deck? I'm thinking it wasn't a white guy that said it, and I have no idea about who it was.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It was a white boy.

[WD8OQX]

OK, I'll ask the 6 million dollar question.
Just who DID say it? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[kg4cbj]

This is a great word to hear in a comedy club. I have no problem with its use in an appropriate context. Television, broadcast media and our bands will never be a place for the the F-word. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

I do not agree with the FCC's position, however I understand their position regarding the prosecution of of this alleged offense. Tons of our tax dollars down the drain for some one to say " sorry I won't do it again (until next time)."

[wd5kca]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa7bq @ Dec. 16 2003,11http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In a recent television show, "The Golden Globe Awards", one of the winners came up to the microphone and said: "Thanks for this f---ing award!".

A torrent of complaints went out to the FCC and in a move that some find incomprehensible, the commission has all but authorized the use of the F-word so long as it does not depict sexual activities.

No, I'm not making this up. You can see the FCC's actual statement on the subject in a MEMORANDUM OPINION (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2003/DA-03-3045A1.html) on the FCC's website. Pay particular attention to paragraph 5, where the use of the word is rationalized.

This FCC opinion is not limited to commercial broadcasters. It in fact applies to all such "indecency laws" and as a result, also to amateur radio. So, the next time you hear someone using the F-word on the air, just note that it's a free speech issue, and a word which the FCC says is OK, depending on the circumstances of it's use and whether or not there is an actual sexual connotation to the remark.

Personally, I don't know how you can separate the two in the context of the F-word, but, the FCC apparently has figured it out. It appears that the Hollywood has again succeeded in lowering national community standards by yet another notch. What's next?

See: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2003/DA-03-3045A1.html for the complete opinion.

P.S. - Despite the FCC ruling, QRZ will continue to prohibit the use of the word on this website.

-fred[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I have been surfing the net for many years and this is the first time I have seen a system administrator troll his own system.

And very successfully I might add.

[wd5kca]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WD8OQX @ Dec. 17 2003,20:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OK, I'll ask the 6 million dollar question.
Just who DID say it? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Bono

[K4VU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd5kca @ Dec. 17 2003,21:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WD8OQX @ Dec. 17 2003,20:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OK, I'll ask the 6 million dollar question.
Just who DID say it? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Bono[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
hmmm...guess the folks who gave U2 the 'christian artists of the year' award in 1986 will be wanting their crystal jesus back.

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n0mbw @ Dec. 17 2003,15:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you look at how are children are taught English grammer
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Drat. Another irony meter broken.

Someone remind me. How many irony points does misspelling 'grammar' in a grammar flame get?


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"PROFANITY IS THE EFFORT OF A FEEBLE MIND THAT TRIES TO EXPRESS ITSELF FORCIBLY"
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Someone here hasn't been keeping up with American literature.

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I think that says it all.
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Indeed. When does the book bonfire start?

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4UYW @ Dec. 17 2003,10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A quote from someone famous (can't remember who):

" cursing is a weak mind, straining to express itself ".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
d00d!

This whole discussion started with a quote from a famous person.

It may shock you to know this, but famous people use colorful language.

[AE6IP]

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