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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc8yhu @ Dec. 19 2003,17:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In reply to aa1mn, No i am not being forced to watch. No one is being forced to watch. #The problem is that these horrible words (which by the way do not offend me it is just i don't think it is proper to swear in front of women, children, and in public) are becoming common. #Our society is starting to accept immoral behavior as norms. #Before you know it, children's movies will be like soft core porno's, this sadly is the fate of our society if the liberal media gets their way and are allowed to show what they feel is normal instead of what the people, the american people feel what is right for them and thier famlies.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
One of the problems with the so called "turn the dial", "change channels", etc., is that is nice when one has advance notice of what is coming. Otherwise, it comes without warning, whilest sitting with you children watching tv, etc. The damage is done. You cannot erase what the eyes have seen and the ears have already heard. There is a very simple solution though. Don't allow it on the TV, radio, etc. Why is it necessary to start with? Does it really make a movie that much more exciting to hear the F word every few seconds? Sure, we have all heard it but I don't enjoy hearing it repeatedly all day long.
Funny how individuals will rationalize what they want and put the restrictions on the majority of the population to "change" their ways of living so others can be "free" to "express" filth and trash and the rest of us have to wade through it.
No, it isn't necessary to have that kind of language on TV or anywhere else. It isn't an expressing one's feelings thing, it is just a simple lack of respect and no character to start with. Period.
"Wasn't that due to some sanctions or something? Ever try to buy cuban cigars? The price of oil is determined by its availability on the global market. The more there is the happier the guzzlers will
be. Would you care to comment on the thorn part?"
Opec determines availability and pricing. Iraq to my knowledge isn't a part of Opec at present. USA gets thier oil from YV, 5N and HZ. I am sure there are a few others in there, but we haven't bought oil from YI (Iraq) for some time now.
As to cuban cigars. I can get them. They are pricey because they are good, as compared to "Swisher Sweets, White Owls, Prince Edward, etc. Trash smokes.
How much oil we want or consume isn't a factor. Output from OPEC is the factor.
I would prefer to use our own, but according to my oil industry buds, it costs too much to pump it out so output here in the states is limited.
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 02:51 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One of the problems with the so called "turn the dial", "change channels", etc., is that is nice when one has advance notice of what is coming. Otherwise, it comes without warning, whilest sitting with you children watching tv, etc. The damage is done. You cannot erase what the eyes have seen and the ears have already heard. There is a very simple solution though. Don't allow it on the TV, radio, etc. Why is it necessary to start with? Does it really make a movie that much more exciting to hear the F word every few seconds? Sure, we have all heard it but I don't enjoy hearing it repeatedly all day long. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A valid point, there is not always advance warning ... the thing to do then would be to shut it off when the first bit of vulgarity is heard or are you too lazy to do that or just too dull witted?
Don't mean to be insulting, WC5RR, anyone who lacks the common sense to turn away from such offenses when it's so easy to do really can't be all that bright to begin with can they?
My intent is not to demean you or those like you, WC5RR, who find material like this objectionable but many of us may often wish to view it and DON'T find it offensive (yes, I often do watch, read, and listen to things that many consider inappropriate).
How would you feel if your views were not allowed because others find them offensive or objectionable? Would you sit back and say, "Okay, no problem, I don't mind being censored?"
Chuck, AA1MN
AE4ZV
12-23-2003, 03:27 PM
Thank you WC5RR!
I expressed the same idea and got flamed for it. What I can't understand is how the "flamers" #quote our words, #take the intellectual high road, but still don't seem to comprehend or care that once the horse is out of the barn, it is then too late to close the door. Oh, I'm sorry, is that another lousy analogy? Well, as Steve Martin used to say: WELL, EXCUUUUSE MEEEE! I still say that regardless of what we feel we have a right to do, we still have an obligation to conduct ourselves according to the situation we are in. Once again IMHO. #
73'
Frank.
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 03:36 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I still say that regardless of what we feel we have a right to do, we still have an obligation to conduct ourselves according to the situation we are in. Once again IMHO.
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Yes, Frank, and the key part of this is "according to the situation".
While you and others have a right to NOT view, hear or read "offensive" material, others -- such as myself -- have every right to view, hear or read it when we so choose.
If you (not you personally, Frank, this is the plural form of "you" as I respect those who take views opposite of mie) are not responsible or intelligent enough to handle objectionable material in a reasonable fashion then kindly remove yourself to a place where it does not exist.
Chuck, AA1MN
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ Dec. 22 2003,19:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Dec. 22 2003,12:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ Dec. 22 2003,11http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (lsc104 @ Dec. 21 2003,20:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This topic is just another ruse to keep people preoccupied with inconsequencials while the powers that be raid the treasury blind. #Why no discussion on the raid of the bush cabal on the treasury? #They destroy a souveirgn country for their oil fields and us the witless taxpayers have to foot the bill enriching their corporate buddies with billions of billions. What a sweet racket. #Talk about the mafia. #These politicians need not soil their persons with the tools of enforcement, they are above the law and we are dumb and powerless. <!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Keep this in mind the next time you vote!
Also, don't forget Iraq was a thorn in the side of Israel. It wasn't JUST about oil.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Keep in mind we were not buying their oil, and are not exporting their oil to this country. #
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Wasn't that due to some sanctions or something? Ever try to buy cuban cigars? The price of oil is determined by its availability on the global market. The more there is the happier the guzzlers will be.
Would you care to comment on the thorn part?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The "thorn" part, as I remember, was the fact that the Iraqi missle arsenal consisted of SCUDs able to easily reach Israel.
There were no missles in his stock capable of more than about 600 miles delivery capability. #And, of course, no WMD to be found. #Per Mohammed Barrredi, of the IAEA.
At least we've made a deal to get Khadaffi's real stuff. #That's genuine progress. #Of course, we don't know the price for this deal just yet.
The Justice (just kidding with our present AG) Department should run Halliburton through the False Claims Act process for the apparent overcharging for gasoline. #Speaking of which, did you know what we turn around and sell the gas to the Iraqis for? #4 CENTS a GALLON!!! (House Energy and Commerce Committee, J. Dingell, D-MI)
There's a lot more decadent stuff out there than the Commission's latest "curtsey" to the networks.
AE4ZV
12-23-2003, 04:16 PM
I understand where you're coming from, Chuck. We DO have a right to tune out what we don't want, but what about when it is tossed at us in a "hot potato" fashion, when and where it is not expected and/or permitted? Sure, if I'm watching a movie on HBO, I might expect the big *F* word and what not. But if I'm watching Disney, (not that that would ever happen, but to make my point), I would not expect to hear such things.
That's really all that I am getting at. If you know your audience may include nuns, orphans and ...(well, you get the idea), just behave accordingly. Is that too much to ask, instead of expecting the receiver to dodge things he/she may not be expecting?
73'
Frank.
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 04:28 PM
[B]Frank,
Unfortunately, the unexpected DOES happen on occassion, even to myself (and I'm not easily offended by subject matter as a rule, not by a long shot).
But here, in the United States, in cases like this it is often impossible to know what material will or will not offend every individual who is reading, watching or viewing it.
In cases of the "hot potato" situation (an appropriate term, by the way, aptly describing the suprise scenario of offensive subject matter occuring unexpectedly) the best thing anyone can do is to get up and remove yourself from the situation.
The only circumstance I can think of would be to live in a situation similar to that of strict reliogiously controlled state of affairs ... I'm not willing to sacrifice my right to be offended for that -- are you?
73s,
Chuck, AA1MN
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 23 2003,07:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One of the problems with the so called "turn the dial", "change channels", etc., is that is nice when one has advance notice of what is coming. #Otherwise, it comes without warning, whilest sitting with you children watching tv, etc. #The damage is done. #You cannot erase what the eyes have seen and the ears have already heard. #There is a very simple solution though. #Don't allow it on the TV, radio, etc. #Why is it necessary to start with? #Does it really make a movie that much more exciting to hear the F word every few seconds? #Sure, we have all heard it but I don't enjoy hearing it repeatedly all day long. #[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A valid point, there is not always advance warning ... the thing to do then would be to shut it off when the first bit of vulgarity is heard or are you too lazy to do that or just too dull witted?
Don't mean to be insulting, WC5RR, anyone who lacks the common sense to turn away from such offenses when it's so easy to do really can't be all that bright to begin with can they?
My intent is not to demean you or those like you, WC5RR, who find material like this objectionable but many of us may often wish to view it and DON'T find it offensive (yes, I often do watch, read, and listen to things that many consider inappropriate).
How would you feel if your views were not allowed because others find them offensive or objectionable? #Would you sit back and say, "Okay, no problem, I don't mind being censored?"
Chuck, AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Unfortunately, I see that we (myself) and any others that feel open vulgarity belongs on locked out channels to the general public, as being more censored then the opposition. And "No", I don't sit in front of the TV and state "oops, I should have heard that, oh well". I check on the programming that is scheduled, I try and monitor what the little kids see. I would not dream of kissing their mother after a day of spewing out that trash.
I choose to keep as much as possible from my younger ears in the house. They are impressionable and don't need that type of filth stimuli to learn from the one eyed box in the family room. They hear some of it in the "real world" and fortunately, not too much in their surroundings. So why subject them to it unncessarily, or keep them from enjoying watching programs that they like without the fear of surfing across trash tv. We lock out what we can, but if the Feds decide anything goes, so will go the TV.
I am sure no one would object to a day care worker cussing a storm around a bunch of 3-5 year olds. Yeah, right. Then why is it more "acceptable" to kids (or adults) above that age. It isn't.
My opinion (which means little) is if that stuff needs to be "seen, heard, enjoyed" then by all means, at least put it on channels not accessible by the general public. That way both can enjoy that mode of entertainment, that which is void of such language, etc., and that which is questionable. By all means, partake of it if you so desire, but don't subject the rest of us to it simply because you eat, sleep and live it daily. Some of us don't, nor desire to do so. They have "filters" on computers, why not have them on tv's and elsewhere. Then the choice(s) can be individual and everyone can be happy.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 23 2003,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[B]Frank,
Unfortunately, the unexpected DOES happen on occassion, even to myself (and I'm not easily offended by subject matter as a rule, not by a long shot).
But here, in the United States, in cases like this it is often impossible to know what material will or will not offend every individual who is reading, watching or viewing it.
In cases of the "hot potato" situation (an appropriate term, by the way, aptly describing the suprise scenario of offensive subject matter occuring unexpectedly) the best thing anyone can do is to get up and remove yourself from the situation.
The only circumstance I can think of would be to live in a situation similar to that of strict reliogiously controlled state of affairs ... I'm not willing to sacrifice my right to be offended for that -- are you?
73s,
Chuck, AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You know, the more and more I read this tripe, the more I keep seeing, "if you don't like it leave the room, etc.".
Really now, does it have to be that way to start with?
Sure seems that the agenda is slanted that way.
As I stated earlier, there can be viewing of this sort of material, just as adult magazines in stores accessible by the young public take precautions to keep younger eyes from acessing said material while still making it available to the public.
However, the slant I see here is "anything goes" and if you don't like it, leave the room, turn the channel, etc. With that agenda, I will wear out my remote, the springs in the chair from constantly jumping up and down (hi). Simple limits or controls in place would certainly make more sense then asking the casual viewer to JUMP***HOT POTATO***
Once the "hot potato" happens, the damage is already done. It doesn't have to be that way if intelligently set up in the first place.
PS: I preferred dodge ball over hot potato!
W0UZR
12-23-2003, 05:12 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 23 2003,06:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, we COULD do it but you overlook the fact that some of us, actually a whole lot of us -- myself included -- don't mind obscenities or vulgarities 'cause we realize it's a whole lot easier to ignore that which offends us.
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Chuck, AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
THAT'S the problem...I DO mind obcenities and vulgarities. I say SHAME on the people that don't. And the problem is that there is a LOT of people like you, and we wonder why everything is going to pot. And we have people in the FCC that are worse than we are.
And if it offends you, you say you don't MIND it,?? Or it's easier to just ignore it... Then be a man and say, "If you are going to talk like that, I'm leaving!?" And that's exactly what I do, and I leave with their mouths open.
That's why It doesn't do any good to try to get back to moral and decency, because all kinds of people like what's not moral or decent. So who is going to fight to get things back like they were in the days when people were normal.
I'm very quite ashamed to be living in these days and times with people like that!!
kb0uzr
Real men follow God
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 05:17 PM
WC5RR,
Agreed.
There is a time and place for everything. Your above post states it quite eloquently; "adult" channels and "lock out" technology are adequate and appropriate technologies for use with the television media.
I hold no objection too, would even enourage, broadcast stations to air "warnings" at the start of a show that the program contains material that may not be suitable for younger or sensitive viewers just as a heads up to avoid the unexpected "hot potato" situations as described in previous posts.
Christopher, based on your last post you have a pretty good grip on the situation; there will always be situations in this world we live in that will have to be dealt with as they come along ... the best any of us can do, you and I included, is to deal with them as appropriately as we can when they arise, even if it means taking a moment to explain to our children why we reacted as we did -- doing so, I suggest, will help them grow into productive and admirable citzens, people I would be proud to call "friend".
73s,
Chuck, AA1MN
kc7jty
12-23-2003, 05:23 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6em @ Dec. 23 2003,08:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At least we've made a deal to get Khadaffi's real stuff. #That's genuine progress. #Of course, we don't know the price for this deal just yet.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
They said on 60 minute
They said on 60 minutes the other night that the US gives 2.6 Billion $ every year to Israel. Thats 2,600 million. Its also known that Israel has a sophisticated nuclear capability. (Would be interesting to know how many nukes they have). I'm sure they have all the other "real stuff" as well. How much of that 2.6 Billion do you think is going to enhance their nuclear programs?.... We know the price of that deal anyway.
P.S. What would that 2.6B $ do to ease the health care monoply problem in the USA?
the other night
kc7jty
12-23-2003, 05:25 PM
Whoops.
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 05:44 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Whoops.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You can say that again, BIG TIME !!!
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 05:55 PM
Tis okay though, KC7JTY, happens to the best of us.
AE4ZV
12-23-2003, 06:19 PM
I can't quite grasp having the "right to be offended". I feel people have the right NOT to be offended. I know it's not in the constitution, but it certainly is contained in the unwritten book of common decency. Let's leave the microphone out of the equation for the moment. If I'm in a restaurant with my young grandchildren, for example, and some guy is spouting off, is it not reasonable to ask him to knock it off, or am I supposed to gather up the kids, abandon our meal and leave? Just food for thought , if you'll pardon the expression.
Frank.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE4ZV @ Dec. 23 2003,11:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't quite grasp having the "right to be offended". I feel people have the right NOT to be offended. I know it's not in the constitution, but it certainly is contained in the unwritten book of common decency. Let's leave the microphone out of the equation for the moment. If I'm in a restaurant with my young grandchildren, for example, and some guy is spouting off, is it not reasonable to ask him to knock it off, or am I supposed to gather up the kids, abandon our meal and leave? Just food for thought , if you'll pardon the expression.
Frank.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hi Frank,
I suppose if you are eating your salad, you could try poking cocktail tomoatoes in their ears so the "freedom" of expression can flow uninterupted. Hi.
My point exactly.
Besides, you still have to pay and the amount of time taken for the waiter to return you might already have your dictionary full of "new words" to discuss on the way home!
"There is a time and place for all things"
Unfortunately, man sometimes has the wrong timing and that is why we are in the predicament we are in.
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 07:24 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I'm in a restaurant with my young grandchildren, for example, and some guy is spouting off, is it not reasonable to ask him to knock it off, or am I supposed to gather up the kids, abandon our meal and leave? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, yeah he would have the right to use what language he or she wanted as long as they weren't disturbing anyone (even not "vulgar" or "offense" if spoken too loudly converstion can be disruptive). How would you feel if you were asked to not use certain words or phrases -- like "God" for instance if they were an agnostic or athiest -- because it offended them even though you were using a resonalbe speaking level?
I'm just making the point that as long as it's kept at a resonable volume people have a right to say what they want to say in public.
AE4ZV, in all seriousness, it would not be wise for anyone to confront someone in such a case anyway as you don't know if they are potentional threat to you or your loved ones (e.g. if they are carrying a weapon, are on drugs, have a mental disorder etc.); have a resteraunt worker approach the person on your behalf to ask them to keep it down -- and yes, before any one asks, I practice what I preach on that and have gone so far as to have my seat changed in both resteraunts and movie cinemas because of similar situations.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't quite grasp having the "right to be offended"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This means the right to view, listen to or read material that contains "adult" language or material.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Chuck, AA1MN
AE4ZV
12-23-2003, 08:06 PM
Okay, Chuck, thanx, I think I get it now. Although, if you are indulging in such things willingly, then why would you be offended? Oh, well let's not split hairs! Hi.
Mind you, I too am a firm believer in the first amendment, but I just don't believe you forsake civil rights by practicing social courtesy. Well, we've not just beaten this thing to death, but now we are probably disemboweling its carcass! So I will now sign on this issue.
73' to all and to all a good night!
Happy *^&%$%@*! holidays! (HI)
Frank.
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 08:19 PM
[B]AE4ZV,
Yes, I agree with you, Frank.
And while I do indulge in such things as you say I like to think that I courteous as well, at least to those who deserve it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif And hopefully you and I are a deserving pair of reciprocating courtesay ALL year round not just during the holidays.
Thanks for seasons greetings and right back at ya. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73s & All The Best
Chuck, AA1MN
aa1mn
12-23-2003, 08:40 PM
[B]AE4ZV,
Yes, I agree with you Frank.
And while I do indulge in such things as you say, I like to think that I am courteous as well, at least to those who deserve it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif And hopefully you and I are a deserving pair of reciprocating courtesy ALL year round not just during the holidays.
Thanks for the seasons greetings, right back at ya http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .
73s And All The Best,
Chuck, AA1MN
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ Dec. 22 2003,11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6em @ Dec. 23 2003,08:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At least we've made a deal to get Khadaffi's real stuff. #That's genuine progress. #Of course, we don't know the price for this deal just yet.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
They said on 60 minute
They said on 60 minutes the other night that the US gives 2.6 Billion $ every year to Israel. Thats 2,600 million. Its also known that Israel has a sophisticated nuclear capability. (Would be interesting to know how many nukes they have). I'm sure they have all the other "real stuff" as well. How much of that 2.6 Billion do you think is going to enhance their nuclear programs?.... We know the price of that deal anyway.
P.S. What would that 2.6B $ do to ease the health care monoply problem in the USA?
the other night[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
sounds like cheap insurance to me... $2.6B to have at least ONE friendly nation in the middle east... lets just hope the unfriendly ones do not catch on to the US Gravy Train.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Dec. 23 2003,17:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc7jty @ Dec. 22 2003,11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6em @ Dec. 23 2003,08:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At least we've made a deal to get Khadaffi's real stuff. #That's genuine progress. #Of course, we don't know the price for this deal just yet.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
They said on 60 minute
They said on 60 minutes the other night that the US gives 2.6 Billion $ every year to Israel. Thats 2,600 million. Its also known that Israel has a sophisticated nuclear capability. (Would be interesting to know how many nukes they have). I'm sure they have all the other "real stuff" as well. How much of that 2.6 Billion do you think is going to enhance their nuclear programs?.... We know the price of that deal anyway.
P.S. What would that 2.6B $ do to ease the health care monoply problem in the USA?
the other night[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
sounds like cheap insurance to me... $2.6B to have at least ONE friendly nation in the middle east... lets just hope the unfriendly ones do not catch on to the US Gravy Train.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, you can add $87B to the $2.6B, since as you said earlier, the 'Halliburton War' was launched to take out the Iraqi threat to Israel.
Libya probably won't cost us more than another $1.5B or so per year. #Just chump change.
So there's this man with a parrot. And his parrot swears like a sailor, I mean he's a pistol. He can swear for five minutes straight without repeating himself.
The trouble is that the guy who owns the parrot is a quiet, conservative type, and this bird's foul mouth is driving him crazy.
One day, it gets to be too much, so the guy grabs the bird by the throat, shakes him really hard, and yells, "QUIT IT!" But this just makes the bird mad and he swears more than ever.
Then the guy gets mad and says, "That's it. I'll get you." and locks the bird in a kitchen cabinet. This really aggravates the bird and he claws and scratches, and when the guy finally lets him out, the bird cuts loose with a stream of invective that would make a veteran sailor blush.
At that point, the guy is so mad that he throws the bird into the freezer. For the first few seconds, there is a terrible din. The bird kicks and claws and thrashes. Then it suddenly goes very quiet.
At first the guy just waits, but then he starts to think that the bird may be hurt. After a couple of minutes of silence, he's so worried that he opens up the freezer door.
The bird calmly climbs onto the man's outstretched arm and says, "Awfully sorry about the trouble I gave you. I'll do my best to improve my vocabulary from now on."
The man is astounded. He can't understand the transformation that has come over the parrot.
Then the parrot says, "By the way, what did the chicken do?"
aa1mn
12-24-2003, 04:11 PM
So this cat burgler cases a neighborhood and, as he's cruising down this street in a particulary well-to-do neighborhood he sees an older couple packing suitcased into their car getting ready to go on vacation. Making note of the house number he continues on, sure to come back later on.
Well into the evening when, long after the sun has set and all law abiding citizens have since retired to their cozy cots, the burgler returns to the now vacant house. Carefully checking that the coast is clear he enters the dwelling to quietly make his way about the place to see what can be had.
After a goodly time of looting has passed without incident the thief suddenly hears a voice declare, "Jesus is watching." Astonded and rattled, the ne'er-do-well looks about to see from when the unexpected annoucement has come but, seeing nothing out of the ordinary, continues carrying out his nefarious deeds.
Shortly there after the announcement is made again, "Jesus is watching." Once more, the burgler looks about but, unable to find the source of this amazing statement, moves on about his criminal activity.
A final time the words ring true, "Jesus is watching" rings out. Determined this time to discover from whence this warning is coming the thief switches on his flashlight only to discover a parrot in a cage who has been issuing the disgruntling warning all the while.
In an effort to quiet the bird, the burgler begins to cover the parrot's cage with a sheet but, as he is doing this, he sees a mean looking doberman attentively sitting next to wher the cage is standing.
Upon this discovery, the parrot then says, "Sick 'im Jesus, sick 'im ..."
Chuck, AA1MN
AE4ZV
12-24-2003, 05:14 PM
Great jokes! Love it!
I have a riddle:
What's the difference between Santa Claus and Michael Jackson? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
kc7jty
12-24-2003, 05:51 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 23 2003,10:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Tis okay though, KC7JTY, happens to the best of us.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It was that damn (F'in) word minute. It always looks misspelled to me (I usually like to spell it minit). It looks like my-noot. Anyway I was checking it again in the dictionary and it must have rested on the enter key.
I've got to get most of my spelling right. The pro coders will say "see, he can't spell cause he is a no coder"! Ha ha.
kc7jty
12-24-2003, 06:00 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Dec. 23 2003,17:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sounds like cheap insurance to me... $2.6B to have at least ONE friendly nation in the middle east... lets just hope the unfriendly ones do not catch on to the US Gravy Train.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The way Israel is behaving I don't think having them as a friend is an asset to us.....to the contrary.
I think we give aid to many, many countries. I heard Saudi Arabia gets a nice dish out too. Hard to believe with all the oil revenue they pull in.
kc7jty
12-24-2003, 06:10 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE4ZV @ Dec. 24 2003,10:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Great jokes! Love it!
I have a riddle:
What's the difference between Santa Claus and Michael Jackson? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Does it have anything to do with coming in little white cans?
BTW The first parrot joke has a similar punch line as one of my favorites.... an old timer who was purchasing firewood from a neighbor.
Guess we know where Michael J got his signature "whooo whoo" sound from. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
AE4ZV
12-25-2003, 01:24 PM
O.K. , are you ready for this; It's pretty bad!
The difference is:
Santa bags TOYS for CHILDREN
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Frank.
Thanks Fred for your comment !
The first time that I catch anyone using the F word on one of my repeaters they're gone for good!!! I may not be able to do anything about what the FCC does but I can still order ANYONE off MY MACHINE and I will do it in a flash.
73
AC0Y
wa3hjj
12-25-2003, 10:29 PM
Well, This is very interesting news to the ham family.If this is allowed to happen then I have only one thing to say to the FCC and thats &%##@#%^*&^%$#@%^& ! ! !. Can you imagine your young son or daughter or worse ,your new mother-inlaw tuning in with you on the ham radio and hearing %*&#@$%^&(*(*&^%$#$%$#%^%&&*&&& . Well it seems to me it just keeps getting crazier (is that the correct spelling ) and crazier.If this really does happen my ham radio is for sale to who is ever that vulgar and stuiped enough to buy it. Oh yeah I know a lot of hams will comment on this and thank GOD we still have that right to do so. I just took my son and new daughter-inlaw to the airport to return back to California after spending XMAS with us.He fought for us in war so we can say things like this but can you see me demonstrating ham radio to my new daughter-inlaw and hearing things like %^^&&&***$$%^^... Well thats all I have to say about that and if you dont like it you can &*&^%%@$#$$ your self...TAKE CARE MY RADIO FRIEND.....MERRY XMAS....73 73 DE WA3HJJ WA3HJJ QRT QRT .. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
aa1mn
12-26-2003, 01:04 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I may not be able to do anything about what the FCC does but I can still order ANYONE off MY MACHINE and I will do it in a flash.
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Okay, that would be a good start but, just for curiosity's sake, after you have ordered someone off your machine how do propose to effectively enforce said order?
I mean, aren't there a lot of practical issues that haven't been considered here?
Like, how would anyone be able to monitor a repeater 24/7 365 to be ABSOLUTELY sure said offender NEVER returns to the airwaves of said machine?
Also, should said offender continue to use the repeater what steps would be taken to remove him or her from using it again, short of reporting them to the FCC, which would, in all likelyhood, entail a long legal scramble?
Curious,
Chuck, AA1MN
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 25 2003,18http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I may not be able to do anything about what the FCC does but I can still order ANYONE off MY MACHINE and I will do it in a flash.
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Okay, that would be a good start but, just for curiosity's sake, after you have ordered someone off your machine how do propose to effectively enforce said order?
I mean, aren't there a lot of practical issues that haven't been considered here?
Like, how would anyone be able to monitor a repeater 24/7 365 to be ABSOLUTELY sure said offender NEVER returns to the airwaves of said machine?
Also, should said offender continue to use the repeater what steps would be taken to remove him or her from using it again, short of reporting them to the FCC, which would, in all likelyhood, entail a long legal scramble?
Curious,
Chuck, AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hmmmm. #Ever heard of voice recognition software? #A very basic system could be programmed for not only his specific call, but all offensive words. #Kind of like an email spam filter. #And, if detected, shut down the machine for either a predetermined time or until a control operator resets the system.
It could also be used to enable a tape recorder for documenting what's being said, when, etc.
Just a thought or two. #Hey, maybe a repeater controller add on project in the making.
Repeaters aren't like HF simplex.... #<!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 02:42 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6em @ Dec. 25 2003,19:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmmm. #Ever heard of voice recognition software? #A very basic system could be programmed for not only his specific call, but all offensive words. #Kind of like an email spam filter. #And, if detected, shut down the machine for either a predetermined time or until a control operator resets the system.
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As someone who has continuously used VR software since the mid-90s, let me suggest that this is a good theory that would fail pretty impressively in practice.
For instance, if one of my Irish relatives came to town, the word he would use is pronounced, roughly, "fookin", and yes, that's in English.
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 03:12 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ Dec. 23 2003,10:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">THAT'S the problem...I DO mind obcenities and vulgarities. I say SHAME on the people that don't. And the problem is that there is a LOT of people like you, and we wonder why everything is going to pot. And we have people in the FCC that are worse than we are.
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That's not a slippery slope, you as a religious person, wants to start down.
If you can't imagine why, I'd recommend some reading in the early history of European immigration to this continent.
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And if it offends you, you say you don't MIND it,?? Or it's easier to just ignore it... Then be a man and say, "If you are going to talk like that, I'm leaving!?" And that's exactly what I do, and I leave with their mouths open.
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Where I come from, if you'd pulled that stunt, the only reasons that you'd find open mouths among the users of colorful language is they'd be busy laughing their asses off at the drama queen.
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That's why It doesn't do any good to try to get back to moral and decency, because all kinds of people like what's not moral or decent. So who is going to fight to get things back like they were in the days when people were normal.
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I cannot find a generation on record, going back to the invention of language, that didn't decry the decline of civilization as a result of the behaviors of others, especially the next generation.
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I'm very quite ashamed to be living in these days and times with people like that!!
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Well, you, and only you, can fix that. You can either figure out why jesus hung around with hookers, and take a lesson from that; or you can buy your very own personal copy of the Army's "how to committ suicide" manual.
Merry Christmas
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 03:15 AM
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Funny how individuals will rationalize what they want and put the restrictions on the majority of the population to "change" their ways of living so others can be "free" to "express" filth and trash and the rest of us have to wade through it.
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It's so "funny" that one of the first people in this country to write clearly on the subject was a guy by the name of Thomas Jefferson. You may have heard his name. I strongly recommend you read his writings on the topics of protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority and on free speech.
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 03:19 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE4ZV @ Dec. 23 2003,08:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What I can't understand is how the "flamers" #quote our words, #take the intellectual high road, but still don't seem to comprehend or care that once the horse is out of the barn, it is then too late to close the door.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
d00d! This horse walked out of the barn back before writing, and has been dead a looooooong time.
you're at least 30 generations too late.
aa1mn
12-26-2003, 01:44 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmmm. Ever heard of voice recognition software? A very basic system could be programmed for not only his specific call, but all offensive words. Kind of like an email spam filter. And, if detected, shut down the machine for either a predetermined time or until a control operator resets the system.
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Okay, valid point but again is this practical?
I mean what are the costs involved in getting this software and, even if it's free of charge, is it really practical to shut down a repeater that an entire amateur community uses because of the actions of one or two offenders?
Wouldn't the offenders just move to another repeater?
Or would this lead to ALL repeaters having voice recognition software being ready to shut down at the first time a word is uttered that the trustee finds not to his or her liking?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It could also be used to enable a tape recorder for documenting what's being said, when, etc.
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Could do that too but what ya gonna do with it, turn it into the FCC ... and then what, go through all the time and expense IF they decide to prosecute?
Can be done, but it's a lot of time, trouble and possible expense when it's a lot easier -- for me at least -- to change the frequency or shut the rig off and give the radio a bit of a rest don't you think?
73s
Chuck, AA1MN
aa1mn
12-26-2003, 01:53 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For instance, if one of my Irish relatives came to town, the word he would use is pronounced, roughly, "fookin", and yes, that's in English.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Case in point ... this is a WONDERFUL example of how someone will build a 10 foot wall only to have someone else build an 11 foot ladder.
Seems to me, as I've said before, it's a lot more practical to appeal to the lowest common denomenator, in this case using your own discretion on shutting off what you don't wish to hear by shutting off what you when you don't like what is being said.
It's low tech, but it works REALLY WELL.
Chuck, AA1MN
W0UZR
12-26-2003, 06:39 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Dec. 25 2003,20:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ Dec. 23 2003,10:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">THAT'S the problem...I DO mind obcenities and vulgarities. I say SHAME on the people that don't. And the problem is that there is a LOT of people like you, and we wonder why everything is going to pot. And we have people in the FCC that are worse than we are.
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That's not a slippery slope, you as a religious person, wants to start down.
If you can't imagine why, I'd recommend some reading in the early history of European immigration to this continent.
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And if it offends you, you say you don't MIND it,?? Or it's easier to just ignore it... Then be a man and say, "If you are going to talk like that, I'm leaving!?" And that's exactly what I do, and I leave with their mouths open.
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Where I come from, if you'd pulled that stunt, the only reasons that you'd find open mouths among the users of colorful language is they'd be busy laughing their asses off at the drama queen.
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That's why It doesn't do any good to try to get back to moral and decency, because all kinds of people like what's not moral or decent. So who is going to fight to get things back like they were in the days when people were normal.
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I cannot find a generation on record, going back to the invention of language, that didn't decry the decline of civilization as a result of the behaviors of others, especially the next generation.
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I'm very quite ashamed to be living in these days and times with people like that!!
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Well, you, and only you, can fix that. #You can either figure out why jesus hung around with hookers, and take a lesson from that; or you can buy your very own personal copy of the Army's "how to committ suicide" manual.
Merry Christmas[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
!. Jesus didn't hang around with hookers, how would you know, you most likely don't read the Bible.
2. And ANYone that encourges a person to commit suicide in an awful person, and I'm going to keep your call sign in mind and make sure if I hear you on the radio anytime in my life, to not to talk to you.
You are an awful person to say such a thing and should be ASHAMED of yourself!!
kb0uzr
W0UZR
12-26-2003, 07:04 PM
P.S. AND QRZ should BAN anyone that encourges anyone to commit suicide!
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 08:52 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ Dec. 26 2003,11:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jesus didn't hang around with hookers, how would you know, you most likely don't read the Bible.
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You are, I take it, not familiar with Matthew 9:9-12?
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2. And ANYone that encourges a person to commit suicide in an awful person, and I'm going to keep your call sign in mind and make sure if I hear you on the radio anytime in my life, to not to talk to you.
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It must be small, colorless, and narrow, that view you have of the world. But you are confused. I didn't encourage you to do anything. I only pointed out the logical consequences of your statement.
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You are an awful person to say such a thing and should be ASHAMED of yourself!!
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You are big on shame. That's too bad. Jesus was big on love. If you were to become more like him, you would find yourself a much happier person.
pax vobiscum
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 09:02 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb0uzr @ Dec. 26 2003,12:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just before Christmas I lost my Mother and my best friend.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I am sorry to hear this. My mother died in October, after a long bout with a terrible cancer, leaving me head of the family. My condolences.
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I was so down in the dumps that suicide did cross my mind. And I don't think this funny a BIT.
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It wasn't intended to be funny. It was intended to show the consequence of your negativity.
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And Marty, I'm going to see about getting your phone No. and talk to you about this in person.
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It's not listed. However, you can find me on 40m most evenings.
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Because you sure didn't help me keep my mind off suicide
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If you are still in a state where your thoughts turn so quickly to suicide, I strongly suggest that you get help. At the very least, talk to your pastor.
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And I bet you are such an awful person that you are REAL dissapointed that I didn't go through with it. Arn't you.
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I'm disappointed that the question mark seems to be disappearing from written English. I make no judgement of another's choice to live or to die. You make statements that suggest you want to die, but then others that suggest you want to live. Seek help, learn your real intent and act on it. Just stop being a drama queen.
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I can't see for the life of me why ANYONE would talk to you!!
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A line from The Big Sleep comes to mind; but I think I'll leave it alone.
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 09:06 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 26 2003,06:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean what are the costs involved in getting this software and, even if it's free of charge, {...}
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As far as I know, there is no free VR software.
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Wouldn't the offenders just move to another repeater? #
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In computer security, there is a term: denial of service attack. It wouldn't take someone with a bad attitude long to figure out that they could pretty much deny the repeater to the rest of the community anytime they felt like it.
aa1mn
12-26-2003, 09:19 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In computer security, there is a term: denial of service attack. It wouldn't take someone with a bad attitude long to figure out that they could pretty much deny the repeater to the rest of the community anytime they felt like it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, AE6IP, and that's one of my points against using such a system. I would not appreciate "one bad apple" so to speak having the ability to effectively shut down a reapeater(s) thus penalizing the rest of us good apples, would you?
That's why I support the switch and click method of dealing with such situations ... I've seen it work a few times when a worm got into the apple cart the rest of us changed frequency when we wished to continue the QSO, when not we just cleared till the next time.
Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but all this talk about apples has made me hungry ...
Chuck, AA1MN
AE6IP
12-26-2003, 10:50 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 26 2003,14:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In computer security, there is a term: denial of service attack. #It wouldn't take someone with a bad attitude long to figure out that they could pretty much deny the repeater to the rest of the community anytime they felt like it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, AE6IP, and that's one of my points against using such a system. #I would not appreciate "one bad apple" so to speak having the ability to effectively shut down a reapeater(s) thus penalizing the rest of us good apples, would you?
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I should have been clearer. You and I are in violent agreement on this point.
Now, could you email me an apple? We're out.
marty
aa1mn
12-27-2003, 12:11 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I should have been clearer. You and I are in violent agreement on this point.
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Actually, AE6IP, you are not at fault, it is I who should have clearer ... I understood your agreement and was acknowldeging it in the hopes others would agree as well.
The apple in on it's way, the e-mail should arrive shortly. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Chuck, AA1MN
AE6IP
12-27-2003, 12:30 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Dec. 26 2003,17:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I should have been clearer. You and I are in violent agreement on this point.
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Actually, AE6IP, you are not at fault, it is I who should have clearer ... I understood your agreement and was acknowldeging it in the hopes others would agree as well.
The apple in on it's way, the e-mail should arrive shortly. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Chuck, AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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It was a good apple.
I wish everyone a new year in which their barrel is full of good apples.
Marty
w7chn
12-27-2003, 12:53 PM
Hello to all,
As for FCC authorizing the "F" word in conversation, my opinion is that they are degrading our population. This is one of the things the Communist Countries are wanting us to do, as it will break down our country then they can come in and have control. No, not by force with bombs and aircraft and warships, but through each individual by training their minds. This is called disrespect for themselves and others around them. Their thoughts and actions in time will warp their minds to a repubate status and that is all they will have a desire for. For an example, if you dare to read the Holy Bible which gives us history as well as well being, read Genesis Chapter 19. Then go read Proverbs Chapter 22. Then start reading the whole Bible, apply it to self, then is when a good turn will come into existance for all people. I am not talking about the different denominations, I am speaking of the Word of God which was first given to the English speaking people. Have a taste of it, there is more to be had there than what FCC has given to the people. May God have mercy on all of us as we pass this way, as there is no return,
Jimmie http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
When this person lowers himself to the point of using language like that, on a forum like that, he has lost all credibility in my eyes as a spokesman for the causes that he has been championing over the last few years. Has anyone seen or heard of any apologies from him to all the people that he offended? I know I would have a tough time supporting a movement whose prime spokesperson has the vocabulay of a street thug.
aa1mn
12-28-2003, 05:55 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for FCC authorizing the "F" word in conversation, my opinion is that they are degrading our population. This is one of the things the Communist Countries are wanting us to do, as it will break down our country then they can come in and have control. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Aren't you a little -- and I'd actually say a LOT -- off base saying that considering that communism is all but dead since the collapse of the U.S.S.R.? Considering the few communist countries left in this world and all their own agendas they have to deal with, wouldn't you think that us U.S. citizens swearing would be kinda low on their agenda of major concerns?
If you're really so concerned about people in this country cussing up a storm why don't you support a totalitarian state that forbids swearing, smoking, the eating of read meat and everything else that's bad for you?
But if you did that then you'd have to bad the Bible of which you speak which hasn't to healthy for the human race either considering all the wars it's been the basis of over the past two thousand years wouldn't you?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am speaking of the Word of God which was first given to the English speaking people. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
By the way, wasn't "the Word of God" first "given" to the people of Israel? Did they speak English back there then? Do think so ...
Chuck, AA1MN
KC8YED
12-29-2003, 07:33 PM
I think the FCC is getting way too undermaned and the wrong people are making the decisions. Oh well, they made worst decisions.. But I would hope that our Ham radio family will not let our air waves sound like a bunch of CBers. If someone wants to use cuss words, go to 11meters.
my 2cents
Steve
KC8YED
Yeah...It's amazing how the FCC sets their policy for decency standards for U.S. television.
There's no problem with showing someone getting their brains blown out by guns or other forms of violence, but God forbid any TV program ever shows a woman's bare breast. The FCC needs to wake up and take a peek at Europe & Canada to get a better touch of reality in today's society.
It seems to me there is a total lack of equilibrium in values the FCC deems decent for our society.
73,
Jim (K6VB)
aa1mn
12-30-2003, 12:29 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It seems to me there is a total lack of equilibrium in values the FCC deems decent for our society.
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K6VB, Jim, just want you to know that the following NOT directed soley to you as an individual but, rather, to ALL readers of QRZ.com, I just chose your quote as it so succinctly brought what I wish to say to mind.
For all of the quibbling about the FCC and it's related policies and enforcement procedures why are so many of you so darn willing to hand over the forming of standards -- in this instance what is crude, vulgar or obscene -- to some one else?
Are none of us capable of making reasonable decisions for ourselves any more or has the human race as an entire species devovled to the point that we must now, by necissity, hand over our moral and mental decisions to others?
Sheesh, I understand that laws are necessary, don't get me wrong, but is it necessary to the point of having the authorities come into our own homes, in a sense, to enforce them properly?
Sorry, for the ramble but I don't trust authority -- government, legal, or religious -- because they don't have my best interest at heart (they don't have your best interests at heart either, dear readers, they only have their own interests at heart sorry to say).
I'm not inciting riots nor am I a radical, I just like to hope that most of us out there are capable of rational thoughts and actions without having to rely on good old Uncle Sam to do our thinking for us.
Please tell me I haven't put too much trust in my fellow human beings, I know there's a lot of wonderful people out there, really ... I do.
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Chuck, AA1MN
kd4mxe
12-30-2003, 01:46 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC8YED @ Dec. 29 2003,12:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think the FCC is getting way too undermaned and the wrong people are making the decisions. Oh well, they made worst decisions.. But I would hope that our Ham radio family will not let our air waves sound like a bunch of CBers. #If someone wants to use cuss words, go to 11meters.
my 2cents
Steve
KC8YED[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
well steve I Read your post and cb dose have some bad ones on it, But you need to be on 20m at the Right Time , you will think you are still on cb , check it out some times you might Be suprise at what you will Hear from the big Boys , Bill
AE4ZV
12-30-2003, 03:07 AM
I said I would close on this issue, and as has been pointed out, I'm decades late in dealing with it. Just some final (and really final this time) comments:
Subjects like these sometimes go off topic, and this one was no exception. How the Dixie Chicks ever got into it was creative (to be kind). No matter how anyone, including myself, may feel about their comments, I feel that what they did was an example of what I consider to be the true intent and purpose of first amendment freedom of speech. Though, yes, they did it in another country, the principle still applies. Although some Americans, I'm sure, would have loved to have seen them hung as traitors, the point is they weren't, and legally were protected from such an action. I think my last word will be simply this: Pulling out all the stops--Chucking out the rules--adopting "anything goes", seems fun and advantageous at first. But what will be the end result? Ever watch what happens when parents allow their non-musician children to play somebody's piano during a visit? First the kids make a genuine effort to play something, quickly become frustrated, and just start slamming their open palms on the keys. Soon the room is filled with not so lovely noise! De-regulate broadcasting / ham radio, etc., and you will surely end up with a similar result.
73' Peace--Out
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wa4bs
12-30-2003, 04:02 AM
Well it is a new world. They give the okay to use foul language on the public air waves so that all the little kids can now learn dirty words a long time before they know what context to use them in. Then the State of Alabama questions the vanity ham tag WA4BS because they think that it might be offensive to some people
The song from Bob Dylan, "The times they are a-changing" seems to fit the times now more than ever.
Just my openion, and we all know that openions are like rectal spencters, everyone has one, and most smell.
Barron Smith
WA4BS
k5rna
12-30-2003, 05:21 AM
The two things i really enjoy reading is the letters to the editor in news papers and hhe QRZ opinions.I lkie to know what is on others mind.There is no question the morals in this country have gone down the tube.I am only one tiny voice here but kudos to the moderators for keeping the trash language off QRZ.Tracy
VK4KAC
12-30-2003, 10:19 AM
Sorry to hear that Prophanity is being permitted on USA TV these days, we have had to put up with it for a few years now here in Australia.
After about 20:30 local time it breaks lose. (Usually in Holywierd Movies)
I guess the cutting crews got sick of editing the tapes. HI..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
nauss
12-31-2003, 12:45 PM
Wow, how many pages of replies must we have?
Well, here in Tennessee you would probably get a 2 hour blasting by many users of a repeater if you said that word. #
What about the owner of the repeater? #
If he/she doesn't like that word, even though the FCC sanctioned it, can they make you not use the
repeater? #
Following strict FCC rules, I don't know.
Comments?
Oh yeah, "F---".........forgot to put that in the message. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif [B][B][I]
KG4TWX
12-31-2003, 10:28 PM
Just leave it to the FCC to let it fly. Here is an another Idea just about as smart: Drop part 15 of the rules and let it all fly. Don't you think that would go over real well. Let me put it this way I wouldn't vote to put anything out of Part 15, if you ask me it is too relaxed already. Just my input.
W1CAR
01-01-2004, 12:15 AM
Well f*** me. Isn't this f***ing great.
I'm just exercising my right to say whatever the f*** I want wherever the f*** I want to.
Anybody heard 75 meters lately? The other day I was scanning through 40 meters with my 2 year old son on my lap and came across several hams in a round table talking about f***ing p**nt*ng and backdoor s*x. I about f***ing s*** myself.
Truthfully.. who is going to stop them. I sure can't do anything about it. I've always just changed the channel. If you can do it with television, you can do it on ham radio.
There will always be strong advocates of both sides of the story. There are people who would die to see that CW remained a requirement...there are people who would kill to see it removed. The same goes with the freedom of speech. On a local rock station, I can't understand why it's ok for them to take God's name in vain over the air... but other words with acceptable definitions (f***, s***, and many others) that are just considered vulgar by context cannot be used.
I'll be the first one to admit having a face to face potty mouth. Even so, I make it a point not to curse in front of my wife, son, mother, in Church, and on the air. When it affects others, it's not ok in my opinion. Just like that Madonna/Brittney kiss on national television. Acceptable, yes... but not when children can see it.
Turn the channel.
KC4FSU
01-01-2004, 06:01 AM
I must dissent. I'm not too keen on the goverment deciding what's morally sound and what isn't. I sympathize with those that would like to be able to surf the airwaves without exposure to strong language, but I don't think that a few choice words here and there is going to bring about the apocalypse. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
AC7PN
01-01-2004, 10:03 PM
Just because the FCC does not outlaw certain speech doesn't mean that people need to talk that way. We put too much burden on the govenment when we ask them to make us better than we are. We can be as polite or rude as we want and the government doesn't have the time or money to be interested. That is the will of the tax payers. If society is becoming repulsive it is not the fault of the government it is the fault of the people!
KC0NIB
01-02-2004, 02:06 PM
Ok...
I downloaded the WORD version of the documentation, and looked at it. #I, like most of you should also write both Mrs. Abernathy and our legislators about this. #This simply put means that somebody stepped down on something and compromized their ethics and standards.
We need people in office who are "uncompromising" and ethically positive. This WILL have a detrimental effect on society if it is allowed to continue.
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aa1mn
01-02-2004, 11:51 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We need people in office who are "uncompromising" and ethically positive. This WILL have a detrimental effect on society if it is allowed to continue.
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So who died and left you in charge of what is the "'uncompromising' an ethically positive for society?
Or did are you self-appointed in this elevated task?
Either way, what are your creditials for this position?
Chuck, AA1MN
[I'm not responsible for the ills of this world, I'm just a contributing factor.]
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WD8OQX @ Dec. 16 2003,11:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It just goes to show the sign of the times. When smut like this is allowed & decent stuff is NOT. God said that in the end time "good will be called bad & bad will be called good." This is just more proof that things are going to H*** in a handbasket. God have mercy on us all..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You just perfectly described modern day "liberalism" ( the scourge of our times).
Paul
K3PZ
kb9num
01-03-2004, 03:35 AM
K3PZ said:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You just perfectly described modern day "liberalism" ( the scourge of our times).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Interesting position since the source of all this discussion is a commission under the control of the most conservative, even reactionary, administration in modern times. Nice to know that George W is so liberal.
KC2FBV
01-03-2004, 02:30 PM
Once again, society lowers the bar.
With standards already pathetically low, the FCC is sending the wrong message to the younger generation.
Little, by little, we're lowering our standards as a nation.
As a whole we're rationalizing it by saying "everybody does it."
In this instance, the FCC has ruled it outside their jurisdiction because the "F" Word was NOT used in a sexual context.
They've indicated that the "F" word was used as an adjective.
Well, this method of thinking is absurd, inane and will only further damage the moral fabric of this nation. Rationalizing poor choices only compunds the problem further.
Too many people already have a pathetically inadequate vocabulary ... and it's getting worse with every passing day.
How bad? I work with people in their twenties that don't know what and adjective or adverb are. Their grammar is pathetic and even they admit to having a tough time in college BECAUSE of it.
Do I cuss? I won't deny that I do on occasion. But I do endeavor to keep my vocabulary acceptable when around kids, on the air, with family, and in public overall.
If you still need proof that, as a nation, we've lowered the standards pathetically low ... just look at the kids under 12 years of age.
Many throw violent temper tantrums to get what they want and succeed. I've even seen some even hit their mothers with no action taken by the mother to stop it.
Many curse enough to make a sailor blush. I've seen some
curse out their parents ... again, with NO action taken to curtail the behavior.
Add these observations to the following:
In school, we CAN'T mention God
In school, but we CAN disccuss sex (even in Kindergarden)
In school, we CAN'T say the pledge of allegiance
1+1 can be 5 (If it makes you happy)
As a nation, we're raising a bunch of violent, vulgar, rude, selfish individuals who have underdeveloped, or non-existant skills (primarily math, reading, spelling, & proper grammar) and no sense of pride in THEIR nation or any strong work ethic.
Cussing's just the tip of the iceberg.
If I tried to pull any of the stunts some of these kids do nowadays, my posterior would have been tanned something fierce. I'm only in my 30's and by no means a prude.
But, if we don't draw the line, it isn't going to stop.
Be honest, there was a time when schools didn't need metal detectors, and teachers didn't sleep with their students.
It didn't happen overnight ... it happened one step at a time.
Did you ever notice that freedom of speech is usually invoked for protection when someone usually says something that's usually rude or hurtful?
Just something to think about.
Scott, KC2FBV
p.s. - (TO KC4FSUA) I agree that I don't want the goverment saying what is & isn't morall sound but they already have ... and WORSE still, we're letting them.
If a non-American's patriotic about their nation, it's ok.
If an American is patriotic, it's deemed racist.
If a non-Christian speaks of their faith, they're following their faith.
If a Christian speaks of their faith, they're called fanatics.
I don't mind people believing differently, that's what this nation is about ... but I do mind double standards.
KT0DD
01-04-2004, 09:27 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n0zu @ Dec. 17 2003,03:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>You have to remember #we are ham radio operators
We can #not broadcast and we are not to advertise to sell pop, cars, and anything not related to ham radio
If you remeber when you took your test you are not to use any word like
DAMN, HELL, SH??, PENIS, fu?? AND ANY OTHER PROFANE WORDS
But you hear those words being used on the HF BANDS .
you tell them they should not use these words, and they say the TV and RADIO does so we can to.
WELL YOU ARE WRONG
So you better think before you use those words</span>
<span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'>Remember WE # ARE # NOT # BROADCAST # STATIONS #</span>
<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>maybe they need to retake the tests so they can remeber.</span>
<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>This is part of the reason that some people that have wanted to become a ham operator DON'T.</span>
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I do not use profanity on the air. However, UNFORTUNATELY retesting would not hold up in a court battle. The U.S. Supreme court rulings on free speech/ 1st amendment would hold up, regardless of the medium used, Radio/ Amateur Radio/ TV etc. and the U.S. Supreme Court outranks the FCC. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif 73.
Common sense, mutual respect for others, courtesy, all escape those that use this type of language on the general public where "changing the channel" is a poor excuse/solution to compensate for a general lack of decency.
I can get my point across without the use of such "wording" regardless if I enjoy using it or not.
Simply changing the channel is a band-aid to something that has already occurred. The damage already done. Simply, put this sort of "talk" on guarded channels and then one can decide, individually to watch, listen, participate in such activity. For the rest of us, we would appreciate the same courtesy to view, watch, listen, etc., to what we enjoy without the shock treatment.
Too simple of an approach I am certain!
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9num @ Jan. 02 2004,20:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">K3PZ said:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You just perfectly described modern day "liberalism" ( the scourge of our times).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Interesting position since the source of all this discussion is a commission under the control of the most conservative, even reactionary, administration in modern times. #Nice to know that George W is so liberal.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In all due respect, I am certain President Bush et al have better things to be concerned about rather then to become actively involved in public entertainment. I suppose that is why there is a "commission" in place to start with. They made a poor decision as represented here by the numerous posts.
I am certain this won't be the last we hear of it either!
kb9num
01-05-2004, 02:26 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Jan. 05 2004,06:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9num @ Jan. 02 2004,20:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">K3PZ said:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You just perfectly described modern day "liberalism" ( the scourge of our times).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Interesting position since the source of all this discussion is a commission under the control of the most conservative, even reactionary, administration in modern times. Nice to know that George W is so liberal.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In all due respect, I am certain President Bush et al have better things to be concerned about rather then to become actively involved in public entertainment. I suppose that is why there is a "commission" in place to start with. They made a poor decision as represented here by the numerous posts.
I am certain this won't be the last we hear of it either![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you will read my comment you clearly see that I give credit to the administration, not to the president. He is truly responsible for very little. He just does what he is told. The makeup of the FCC leadership was selected by the same political machine that chose George W. Therefore it is hardly a liberal commission. But this is just as off topic as the cheap shot that caused my reply in the first place.
Interesting that you considered a reply a "cheap shot" which it wasn't nor stated as such.
kb9num
01-05-2004, 02:50 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Jan. 05 2004,07:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Interesting that you considered a reply a "cheap shot" which it wasn't nor stated as such.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wasn't referring to your comments. The cheap shot was the dig at liberals that started this sub thread.
I stand corrected. Sometimes these posts get run together. Imagine that!
kk7ue
01-05-2004, 06:52 PM
I, however, will still agree with the position that liberalism helped get us where we are today, regardless of which political entity is currently in charge. It is a mental illness and should be treated as such. Save America : Stop Liberal Socialism. God have mercy on us all http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kk7ue @ Jan. 05 2004,11:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I, however, will still agree with the position that liberalism helped get us where we are today, regardless of which political entity is currently in charge. It is a mental illness and should be treated as such. Save America : Stop Liberal Socialism. God have mercy on us all # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think (and this is a personal observation) that as a society, we have continued to move closer and closer from conservativism towards the middle ground, which is as you say, more liberal in views and more tolerant of the "anything goes" attitude.
I do believe that those who are conservative bascially complain and do nothing, whereas the liberal front takes action and through the actions of the few, obtain their goals all the while the conservative side sits by and complains all the more.
Kinda like "How to Boil a Frog". You turn the heat up slowly until the frog determines it is too hot, but by then, it is too late. The water is boiling.
I will say this. I don't condone what Rush did with the "illegal" prescriptions, etc., but the government has no business poking it's head into someone's private medical files, that are supposedly, protected via HIPA nowadays. It just goes to show you. It depends on the day of the week. The Feds will do what they want, and when they want, invoke this or that and promote this or that, regardless if it is 180 degrees out of phase with current law.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KT0DD @ Jan. 03 2004,03:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do not use profanity on the air. However, UNFORTUNATELY retesting would not hold up in a court battle. The U.S. Supreme court rulings on free speech/ 1st amendment would hold up, regardless of the medium used, Radio/ Amateur Radio/ TV etc. and the U.S. Supreme Court outranks the FCC. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif 73.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sorry, respect your opinion but can't buy the 1st amendment argument.
The current rules in place place realistic limits on what can be said on the amateur bands -- e.g. cannot be used for business, licensing requirements, what is and is not appropriate.
For the privilege of using the bands I took the test and agreed to operate within the parameters outlined.
Freedom does not imply we are free to do what we will.
Guess there will always be someone walking on the ice to see how far they can go before it breaks.
As for me, I'll continue to exercise my right to hit the power switch or change bands...............
73
KB1HJL
01-06-2004, 05:20 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8CPA @ Dec. 16 2003,12http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WA6TLG @ Dec. 16 2003,11:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From what i understand the f word was originated from the (i believe it is called an acronym, forgive my spelling) Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge. And what would be the meaning of that? Sex of course! It is my believe whether free speech or not it is wrong to use the f-word The fcc should look up the meaning of the word![B] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Wrong! #That's a popular myth, but only a myth. #It actually derives a teutonic term originally spelled with a Latin letter resembling our y. #The phoneme was pronounced more like an oomlatued German u (ue). #It was when the word was absorbed into Anglo-Saxon that the German ch portion of it hardened into the k sound, and the y became short u. #
The other words in the carnal knowledge phrase came into English much later.
Irrespective of its etymology, it does not belong on amateur radio, and regardless what the fleshed out hollywood puppets say or do. #Remember actors and such only have jobs because writers put words in their mouths, and directors pull their emotive strings. #It's when they speak using own their own mental power that their lack of brains become apparent. #Also remember that most directors are ugly actors, and are just as mindless. #They are the archetype of far more style than substance, in what they say or do.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO there! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hi Steve, #
# # I was wondering if you could please tell me where I can find this word; "oomlatued" ? I believe the right word is; "umlaut" #or "lauted". I #was reading your statement #about the word.; f_ _ _ .
Also, Where did they get the "F" from?? #The other is pretty well explained, but you failed to say where the F came from!!
You wrote; (Wrong! #That's a popular myth, but only a myth. #It actually derives a teutonic term originally spelled with a Latin letter resembling our y. #The phoneme was pronounced more like an oomlatued German u (ue). #It was when the word was absorbed into Anglo-Saxon that the German ch portion of it hardened into the k sound, and the y became short u. #
The other words in the carnal knowledge phrase came into English much later.)
Thanks, George # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
ka2vjl
01-06-2004, 12:43 PM
What!!! Are you F__n me???!!!
kd7eze
01-06-2004, 02:55 PM
This thread has gone on much longer than even I could have imagined...<span style='color:red'>WOW</span> For those of you that have read every post, congratulations! We are not all that different, as I too, read every post. This way I have a clear idea of what is going on, before I reply, if at all. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I, for one, never use obscenities over the airwaves, and would hope that no-one else does either. But, this is not a perfect world. Fortunately, I'm not responsible for the actions of others. Constructively pointing out the faults of others, is a possible recourse to the foul-mouth folk, however, even this will push some over the edge. To those, I wish you well, and wonder how you've made it this far in life. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Now, to a horse of a <span style='color:blue'>different</span> color. I just couldn't help myself, trying to bring some good humor to some of the depressing posts.
"What starts with F, and ends with "you see kay"?" #Fire Truck! So, if you ever feel compelled to use the F-word, just say "fire truck". At least you won't offend anyone.
Out!
KD7EZE
KU4XU
01-06-2004, 06:58 PM
Hello All,
All I can say is ," Say it on the radio and see what happens." You might not like it!
73, KU4XU, Daryl
K3BRJ
01-07-2004, 01:51 AM
This Is Indeed A Very Sad Day, Indeed...True, the F Word is used off, but so is the Familiar Bleep, on Show's like "The People's Court," and Judge Judy, to name two. It is sad that the FCC, who I have Long Revered, Now Thinks Some Obscenity is okay. There was a time when NO Obscenity was tolerated on the Airwaces, in any way shape or Form!!!!! I ask that the FCC re-examine what it's done, and reconsider it's decision-Even if It Let's it Stand-this time, Don't Make THE Same Decision Again, I DON'T WANT MY NIECE, OR ANY CHILD HEARING THIS, THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!
K3BRJ
01-07-2004, 01:53 AM
This Is Indeed A Very Sad Day, Indeed...True, the F Word is used off, but so is the Familiar Bleep, on Show's like "The People's Court," and Judge Judy, to name two. #It is sad that the FCC, who I have Long Revered, Now Thinks Some Obscenity is okay. #There was a time when NO Obscenity was tolerated on the Airwaces, in any way shape or Form!!!!! #I ask that the FCC re-examine what it's done, and reconsider it's decision-Even if It Let's it Stand-this time, Don't Make THE Same Decision Again, I DON'T WANT MY NIECE, OR ANY CHILD HEARING THIS, THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!
K3BRJ
01-07-2004, 02:05 AM
This Is Indeed A Very Sad Day, Indeed...True, the F Word is used off, but so is the Familiar Bleep, on Show's like "The People's Court," and Judge Judy, to name two. #It is sad that the FCC, who I have Long Revered, Now Thinks Some Obscenity is okay. #There was a time when NO Obscenity was tolerated on the Airwaves, in any way shape or Form!!!!! #I ask that the FCC re-examine what it's done, and reconsider it's decision-Even if It Let's it Stand-this time, Don't Make THE Same Decision Again, I DON'T WANT MY NIECE, OR ANY CHILD HEARING THIS, THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!
aa1mn
01-07-2004, 02:22 PM
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I don't mind it one bit. As a matter of fact, I rather enjoy viewing, listenting to, and reading objectionable material with foul and obscene references.
So how does it feel to want?
Chuck, AA1MN
preach
01-10-2004, 11:41 PM
I regard to the "F" word...it is simple...out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks---in some cases it is garbage in garbage out.---simple is'nt it.
From somone who has raised 6 children without the "F" word.....We have 6 great children and they are bringing up our grandchildren the same way. "nuff said"
n3ypa
01-11-2004, 03:55 AM
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Two things come to mind. The first is turn the dial if you're offended. Second, foul language is only determined foul by the society or community. I do not see anything wrong with what a majority of the US population may deem as foul though I will refrain from using such language as not to offend others or come into conflict with local decency laws (ie there is a law in Michigan that will land you in jail and/or fine you for using foul language in earshot of minors). One could argue that because there is a split between what is deemed foul language and what is proper, also causes a split in society. It could then be postulated that this split is also the cause of some violence in said society.
W0UZR
01-11-2004, 05:07 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3BRJ @ Jan. 06 2004,19:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">. #There was a time when NO Obscenity was tolerated on the Airwaves, in any way shape or Form!!!!! #I ask that the FCC re-examine what it's done, and reconsider it's decision-Even if It Let's it Stand-this time, Don't Make THE Same Decision Again, I DON'T WANT MY NIECE, OR ANY CHILD HEARING THIS, THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
He said it again, and I will....
The time he is refering to is in late 1969, to 1970. We were hearing the damn word on tv. And my parents joined with the whole town to write to the FCC, the Governer, Senators, Legistators, and Hollywood, along with every other town in the country, boycotting their products they advertise. And in no time, there was no more damn word on the air.
What happened to us? Why can't we do that now? if we don't want our children and grand children sounding like the gudder, then it's up to US!! If my parents and all kinds of other parents didn't do this, the way it is now would have been this bad in the late 70's or early 80's, and now, we probably wouldn't be able to hear anything on tv or on the car radio without every other word being the F word and all kinds of other words.
It's up to you!!! What kind of enviroment do you want YOUR kids to live in???
there is an article today (1-11) on this subject indicating possible legislation. #go to the drudge website and click on "lawmaker tackles dirty words on tv" i think the web site it takes you to is #the san fran. chronicle website, so you can also likely go direct to that site.
dan,k3xr
aa1mn
01-12-2004, 01:12 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's up to you!!! What kind of enviroment do you want YOUR kids to live in???[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'd like myself, and my children, to live in a society where there is the freedom to hear and use whatever language -- obscene or otherwise -- I or they want to use or listen to.
Should you not wish to live in such a society with these freedoms DO NOT TAKE THEM AWAY FROM ME OR OTHERS WHO WISH
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>That says it is for brodcasters
Ham radio operators are not Brodcasters
and we have different rules and regs. to live by
READ THE FINE PRINT
IT TALKS ABOUT BRODCASTERS
NOT HAM OPERATORS</span>
aa1it
01-12-2004, 04:10 PM
Golly gosh darn gee-whiz... I got into this hobby solely to do some straight key morse code... I never thought things would come to this. Is nothing sacred any more?
no big deal, but, you might want to check the original post by aa7bq, which had, mostly, to do with broadcasting.
dan,k3xr
n3lpx
01-12-2004, 09:56 PM
I agreee with the FCC ruling. If you read it, you may agree, too. Like it or not, "obcenity" and "indecency" are not the same thing as "crude," "obnoxious," or "in poor taste."
Yes, it was perhaps in poor taste for the person at the Golden Globes to say what he said---though considering what the Golden Globes are all about, it was right on target. If you haven't already noticed, the whole entertainment "industry" (industry?!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif is "in poor taste"! Maybe the Network should have bleeped---maybe not. That is again their own call.
But the fact remains that the "f" word is neither new, nor earth shattering. It is one of the oldest words in the language--you can find it way back in time. Language is not complete without the presence of "problem" words. And for goodness sake, it is only WORDS! Every generation routinely insults the social mores of the previous generation---and language is part of that---and ever-changing.
Furthermore, we do have a Constitution, and it is very strong on Free Speech. I would counter by saying that the rules we (HAMS) have been following all these years have in fact been illegal.
By the way, I have heard many 4 letter words in ham radio--even from persons I knew myself--and they were never fined. I do find cursing on the air extremely distasteful---not for ethical reasons, but rather for aesthetic reasons, and I typically just tune out when it is happening (14.330 or thereabouts used to be full of this sort of thing).
HAM radio is a great thing---and so is free speech. I will always support both.
ai4ij
01-15-2004, 04:43 PM
Let me say first off, that I am in partial agreement with the FCC ruling on this issue for a variety of reasons:
1 - One of the founding principles of this country was, and is, FREE SPEECH. When we let go of that freedom, all the rest will follow.
2 - Offense is a CHOSEN emotion. And, it is chosen by the one who is offended, and not by the "offender." If you do not like being offended, then do not choose the emotion of offense.
The "problem" of "offensive" language is entirely limited to those who would use it, and those who would choose to be offended by it. The rest of us are completely unaffected. To me, it is a laughable issue.
3 - CHILDREN (and, many adults) FREQUENTLY USE such language, so the argument that you do not want your children to be exposed to such language, and it should therefore be prohibited, is fatally flawed. You cannot protect your children from exposure to such language. BUT, you can guide them in how to react to it. You can point out that it is typically the mark of an uneducated or unintelligent person that speaks that way, and that if they do not wish to be viewed as uneducated or unintelligent, they should refrain from using such language. You have the opportunity to USE the "offensive" language of others to illustrate the point to them. They will get the message easily enough, as they see it demonstrated by their young friends - and now, even on television.
I mentioned earlier that I am in partial agreement with the FCC decision. I disagree entirely with their limitation on the use of the "F" word in regards to sexual references (it feels silly to even have to refer to it as the "F" word even when discussing it). Sex and sexuality are among the most basic of issues to us, and among the most natural. To repress issues of sex and sexuality is a misguided effort. And, it is the spawn of religion, and not logic, reason, or rationality. The separation between church and state intended by our founding fathers would seem to indicate that such religious influence on our society, as it is governed, is completely inappropriate.