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KG6JTB
12-13-2003, 05:06 AM
According to Shelly Floyd, a freelance technical writer based in Eugene, Oregon, CB radio is "ALIVE & KICKING".

Her article appears on this webpage (http://www.safarimotorcoaches.com/adventures/archive/02aprilmay/tcb.html) for a motorhome seller, encouraging would-be adventurers the value and benifit of a CB radio.

One of the things that I "took away" from this informative article is that the CB radio can be an effective way for other motorists to inform you that your baggage compartment doors are open as you are motoring down the expressway. Or this descriptive definition of SWR, "Imagine the wings of an eagle gracefully flowing up and down as the majestic bird takes flight. This swooping wing movement is identical to the transmission waves exiting from your antenna and is called Standing Wave Ratio (SWR)". Friend and fellow radio amateurs, you will not find these facts in any ARRL handbook.

I simply could not resist posting this information. You can go to the website, or simply read the article posted below. I'm sure you'll be amused!!!.

Dave - KG6JTB


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ALIVE & KICKING
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THOUGHT TO BE EXTINCT WITH RECENT TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS IN COMMUNICATION, THE CB RADIO IS STILL AROUND AND AS VALUABLE AS EVER.
by Shelly Floyd

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In these days of cell phones and e-mails, it’s easy to overlook the valuable communication tool sitting right at your fingertips – your CB radio.

Citizens Band Radio channels are used for two-way, short-distance communications. Citizens band radio, or CB, as it is commonly known, was initiated in the United States in 1947, when the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) opened the UHF (ultra high frequency) 460-470 MHz band to licensees from the general public. In 1958 the FCC reallocated part of the 11-m band (27 MHz) previously shared by amateur radio and industrial users to the Citizens Band Service. By the early 1980s more than 20 million CB sets were operating on 40 channels in the U.S. However, the CB fad was waning by that time and in 1983 the FCC ceased requiring licenses for CB operation. At present CB users consist of truck drivers, recreational vehicle users and folks seeking to communicate with others within a limited range of distance. CB radio channels are open to all citizens.

"In these days of cell phones and email, it's easy to overlook the valuable communication tool sitting right at your fingertips- your CB radio."

Remember the fast action highway movies when everyone had a CB radio, a call sign and a friend zooming alongside playing the red herring to outfox the police? Those movies spawned a craze as frenzied as rock and roll, and it wasn’t long before everyone had towering antennas swaying from their vehicles or house tops and the country started communicating like mad. Of course, the airwaves became jammed and bridge clearances were a concern, but it was a unique opportunity for travelers and locals to briefly meet over the air and discuss the latest politics and weather. Most of us avoided the mad rush and preferred to stay out of the heated debates. Those CB radio fanatics have now replaced their antennas with laptops and turned their attention to Internet chat rooms. The CB channels have reached a peaceful calm and now is the time to tune back in.

Operation of the CB radio is simple. The radio has an off/on/volume control switch. It must be turned on and the volume adjusted to a comfortable hearing position. It should be noted that volume control deals with hearing and has no effect on the transmission level.

Next, there is the squelch control. This control is first turned up to a point where static or background noise is heard and then reduced to a point where the static disappears.

The channel selector is used to select the channel of operation (1 through 40). Channel 19 is the principal location used by most travelers and is helpful in monitoring information concerning traffic delays, construction, lane closures, etc. An undesirable effect of monitoring this channel is the language sometimes heard. CB radio users are generally courteous and polite, but there are always exceptions. When traveling with others, it is wise to use a channel other than 19, to allow for conversations without interruptions.

The radio microphone enables you to monitor traffic conditions without requiring a reply. If you want to transmit your own message over the CB radio it will be necessary to take hold of the microphone and depress the switch located on the side. Once the switch is depressed the radio converts from a listening device to a transmitter and anything spoken into the microphone is transmitted from the radio over the channel selected. To carry on a conversation it must be remembered that after each transmission the push button switch must be released to return the radio to receive mode. The radio cannot listen and transmit at the same time. Conversations should be brief as only one radio can occupy the airwaves at one time.

"The CB radio is a low powered transmitting device that works well within a line of sight of the person being spoken to."
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Turn on the CB radio when you head out for the day and leave the radio on until you park for the night. Some of the more obvious reasons to do this would include having other travelers alert you to a baggage compartment door being left open or coming open during transit, the entry step being out, a low tire or problems with your tow vehicle. In return, you will be able to alert others about vehicle problems you yourself spot, or potential road hazards you pass.

Operating Procedure for Emergency Communications:

1. For Emergency communications, set radio to Channel 9.

2. When asking for aid on Channel 9 it is suggested that you request a React base to respond by saying “Break Channel 9 for a React base” and provide the CB Distress Data (called “clip”):

CALL SIGN – Identify yourself and vehicle.

LOCATION – Be exact.

INJURIES – Number of injured persons. Type of injuries. Advise if any passengers are trapped.

PROBLEM – Be detailed and explicit in help required. Air CLIP repeatedly to assist monitors.

The CB radio is a low powered transmitting device that works well when within a line of sight of the person being spoken to. There are many factors which limit the range of the CB radio such as terrain, trees, other vehicles and weather conditions. The radio itself, as well as the type of antenna used (see picture on page 27), plays a hand in determining the distance of receiving and transmitting. As was noted previously, only one radio can occupy the airwave at one time and consequently the radio with the greatest power and best antenna will always overpower the weaker one.

Other factors that enhance or detract from the effective range are the environment that the CB is used in, interference from other CB radios, tall buildings and trees. Certain atmospheric conditions such as pollution and haze can also limit the effectiveness of your CB radio.

If we were able to eliminate all negative environmental factors, a properly set up base station could transmit 10 to 15 miles, a mobile unit 5 to 7 miles and a hand-held unit approximately 2 miles with the only variable being the type of antenna used with your unit. Of course, these optimum conditions rarely exist and the range of your unit will be less depending on the conditions you are operating in.

All CB radios transmit using the maximum FCC allowable power output of four watts. The amount of power is determined by the type of antenna used, condition, location, the physical length of the whip—and more importantly—the proper matching of the standing wave ratio, or SWR.

To get the maximum use from your CB radio, always purchase the best antenna you can afford. The caliber of your antenna will influence the performance of your CB radio.

"During severe weather the... forecast is interrupted with special warning messages."

The primary consideration when preparing to purchase your antenna is the intended location of the antenna on your motorhome. You are not limited in where to place the antenna. Available are antennas that mount to the roof gutter, vehicle bumper, mirror, etc. With a magnet mount the antenna can be put on any metal surface of the vehicle body. If you don’t have the option of attaching the antenna to a metal surface it is sufficient to use a groundless plane antenna which is designed for special applications where grounding the antenna is a problem.

Antennas are available in a variety of sizes and shapes. Your objective is to obtain the largest possible range of transmission. In order to achieve that goal you will need to determine the length of your antenna, because the length of the antenna whip determines the range received. However, keep in mind that the longer lengths of 102 inches are generally not practical for a motorhome.

"Don't let your CB radio gather moss, use this... communication tool to enhance your motorhome travels."

A center loaded antenna is recommended for mobile radios equipped with weather reception. A dual band antenna works fine for good weather reception and regular CB distance. If you’re interested in distance only, a base loaded antenna is sufficient.

Imagine the wings of an eagle gracefully flowing up and down as the majestic bird takes flight. This swooping wing movement is identical to the transmission waves exiting from your antenna and is called Standing Wave Ratio (SWR).

In order to set the Standing Wave Ratio—or SWR—on your CB radio, you will need either a CB radio with a built-in SWR meter or an external SWR meter. External SWR meters are available at electronic supply stores. Alternatively, your local service repair shop may have an external SWR meter for your use. Using an external SWR meter will also require a short piece of coaxial cable with CB-plugs on both ends. Attach the external SWR meter per the instructions included with the meter.

After properly mounting and grounding your antenna, position the motorhome in an open area away from obstructions. Turn off all appliances, electronics, air conditioning and furnace fans. Close all doors and windows. The SWR meter easily attaches to your radio.

Set the CB radio to the CB mode and tune to channel 20. Push and hold the “push to talk” button on your microphone. This will cause the SWR meter’s needle to swing to the right. By turning the knob adjust the needle to the calibration mark on your meter.

A reading of 3 or above will impact the performance of your radio and should be adjusted downward. A reading of 1.5 is average and acceptable under most conditions. A reading of 1 is ideal.

To reach the optimum setting it may be necessary to extend or retract the antenna whip. Move the antenna in small increments while repeating the procedure after each change until you reach the best setting you can. If you have to retract the antenna to get a better reading it is acceptable to clip the whip in small increments to obtain the proper length but try to avoid doing so as many antennas have adjustable rings to set the SWR.

Check the SWR reading on channel 40 and channel 1. If either of these channels is above 1 to 3.0 you may want to adjust the antenna so that you have an acceptable SWR setting for that channel while maintaining the lowest reading possible on channel 20. It is important to note the adjusting for the optimum SWR setting on one channel will affect the SWR setting of another channel on the other side of the dial. Thus if you optimize channel 1, channel 40 will suffer. Try to get the best you can across all channels.

If you cannot obtain an acceptable reading, recheck the antenna mounting and more importantly grounding of the antenna. It is extremely difficult to get an acceptable SWR reading without a properly grounded antenna.

Weather Alert is a unique feature that alerts users of a weather emergency as defined by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce commonly know as NOAA.

How your CB Radio Can Best Serve You:

Warn of traffic tie-ups ahead.
Provide weather and road information.
Seek fast assistance in the event of emergency break down.

Locate good spots to eat and sleep.
Make long trips more inter esting, and help keep you awake.
Make friends as you travel.
Provide “local information” to find your destination.

Communicate with friends and family traveling with you.

Help police by reporting reckless drivers

NOAA maintains a system of approximately 380 stations throughout the United States that transmit continuous broadcast of the latest local weather conditions 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The broadcast is made on one of seven high band FM frequencies and are tailored to suit the local needs of its listeners.

During severe weather the normal NOAA forecast is interrupted with special warning messages. At this time NOAA will transmit a 10-second signal which can be picked up by CB radios equipped with the Weather Alert feature. This signal can be picked up whether the radio is turned on, off or on in the CB mode. During the transmission of a weather emergency the radio will emit a high pitched tone to alert the user to tune to one of the weather channels to listen to emergency information. It is normal for a Weather Alert CB radio to beep for a second when the unit is turned on or when power is first applied to the unit. This is only a self-check tone.

Channel 9 is the universal emergency channel and should never be used for normal communications. Channel 9 is monitored by state patrols, local police and citizen volunteer groups who will assist you in your call for distress.
Because the CB radio is open to all users, it is imperative that rules of common courtesy be applied in order to make the system work for everyone. There will be exceptions to this rule, but you can do your part in keeping the airwaves friendly by following the basic rules of operation.

You are not allowed to carry on a conversation with another station for more than five minutes at a time without taking a one-minute break for others to use the channel.

You are not allowed to blast others off the air with illegally amplified transmitter power or illegally high antennas.

You cannot use the CB to promote illegal activities, use profanity, play music, sell merchandise or professional services.

Don’t let your CB radio gather moss, use this powerful communication tool to enhance your motorhome travels.

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Shelly Floyd is a freelance technical writer based in Eugene, OR. She specializes in RV-related subjects and is a regular contributor to Lifestyles and Holidays magazines.[B]

w3sy
12-13-2003, 06:06 AM
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Not buyin' it. Tried a mobile CB back when I was too f'ing cheap to buy a 2 meter rig. Wasn't worth a damn. Period, full stop.

Never been able to raise any help on Channel 9, so I got a good, hearty laugh out of THAT point in particular.

You might get a Smokey Report on 19, but forget about getting help or directions there too. "Bindar Dundaat" is the name of the guy behind the counter of the local 7-11, and also describes my experience with trying to have meaningful and useful communication on CB.

Did the article mention that 19 is also a good channel to use to monitor truckers cursing "them dang four wheelers" and hear their plans to hassle passenger car drivers that displease them?

That "five minutes on, one minute off" rule -- Yeah, that gets pretty strict compliance on CB. HAW!!

To be fair, if this article were written in, say, 1968, there might be some truth in it. Today, it flunks the "laugh test."

Hey, that Cobra CB sounds Neato Torpedo! I just tossed my FT-1000MP in the dumpster, and am heading out to the nearest truck stop on I-95 to try to find one. Can't wait to plug it in and get them thar eagle wings a-flappin'. Fer shurr, fer shurr!

<chuckle>

Out!

w8amd
12-13-2003, 07:50 AM
CB! NO, not CB! 30 years ago I was ignorant enough as to give it a try. It only took me a couple of months to get out. Back then the crowd was divided into 2 groups....Those who sounded like they took sensual pleasures with their sister or brother as the case may be, and those who tried to act like they knew something, possibly did, but all they did was violate.

HMMM!

ai4ep
12-13-2003, 03:57 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ....duh...wait a minute sir with your question till JERRY gets over there with that cordless microphone....ok sir what is your question?... ( crowd slowly quietens down after shaking their fists and calling " Jerry, Jerry , Jerry " )...If these 10 wheelers, 18 wheelers, etc. with these Citizens Band radios are all law - abiding folks, with current drivers licences, c d l licences, insurance, legal tag on the vehicle, the vehicles are all legal with tread on the tires, legal exhaust systems, proper balanced load, and not too much weight on the vehicle... then WHY are they worried so much about where the POLICE and D O T folks are at ? If they ( including the four wheelers ) aint doing any thing wrong, why worry about the COPS ? ..... the crowd gets REAL quiet ( almost scary ) and JERRY says " we will have the answer to that question, right after this commercial break ".... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w3sy
12-13-2003, 05:04 PM
Here is how I would get all the Channel 19 truckers cursing at me at once:

I'd key the mic, clear my throat, and say, "It is my fervent desire at this time to ascertain the precise geographical position of any and all duly appointed law enforcement officials, either in clearly marked patrol vehicles, or those lacking such clear marking, in the event that I may develop a spontaneous desire to exceed the speed limit, as posted."

Hot damn, they called me every name in the book! It was HEE-LARIOUS.

I wish I had received one TENTH the response any time I asked for directions. Haw!

Hey, how was I to know all you're supposed to say is, "Howzit lookin' over yer shoulder, driver?"

<cackle>

Out.

ka8jhm
12-13-2003, 05:47 PM
Could be that's the reason so many are involved in accidents, too busy looking over their shoulder instead of where they are going, or " aiming".
Bob TBTM

kc9esf
12-13-2003, 09:13 PM
on long trips i quick rig up a cheap CB for directions. as soon as i get close to a location I ask for local landmarks and such. Usualy because the internet printed directions are still back at the home QTH http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

for DXing? right, sure. emergency assitance? maybe on 19 but not on 9.

an then there are the LIDs in chicago. 5 second long roger beeps on echo mics owned by a guy who feels the desire to sing with a footwarmer that bleeds over 4-6 channels.

boy i love small towns

ki4bgo
12-14-2003, 02:40 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd0ct @ Dec. 13 2003,02:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For non technical type folks, this is a good article. As the sunspot cycle continues to decline the cb will be even more useful.

I know a young man that has a Cobra cb. The thing has [in addition to the 40 channels] 7 noaa channels and dsp noise reduction that works as well as any hf rig.

Having a cb on a trip seems at least as useful as having a 2 meter rig.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree, although some don't use them anymore, I have a CB in my truck, right alongside my 2-meter rig. So, help is there if I need it, and no airtime $$$! (My phone is at the house, where it belongs!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

nx6d
12-14-2003, 03:39 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Dec. 13 2003,09:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here is how I would get all the Channel 19 truckers cursing at me at once:

I'd key the mic, clear my throat, and say, &quot;It is my fervent desire at this time to ascertain the precise geographical position of any and all duly appointed law enforcement officials, either in clearly marked patrol vehicles, or those lacking such clear marking, in the event that I may develop a spontaneous desire to exceed the speed limit, as posted.&quot;

Hot damn, they called me every name in the book! It was HEE-LARIOUS.

I wish I had received one TENTH the response any time I asked for directions. Haw!

Hey, how was I to know all you're supposed to say is, &quot;Howzit lookin' over yer shoulder, driver?&quot;

&lt;cackle&gt;

Out.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Steve:

As a certified smart-ass, I feel qualified to rag on you about this posting. When you (supposedly) made your inquiry regarding directions, what kind of response did you expect? Sounds like you just were giving these guys a hard time. What for? Sounds a tad like jamming...

I realize you've had your call since 1977, but trashing cb'ers is SO 1981! I'm not clear why this topic continues to come up! Who cares?

&quot;out&quot;. Sounds like you spend too much time listening to Jim Rome.... ewww....

WX7B

w5alt
12-14-2003, 04:14 AM
Steve, Steve, Steve,

You should be ashamed of yourself. It's no surprise that your sarcastic attitude alienated all those nice CBers. When are you going to take my recommendation and be a kinder, gentler person?

You should have read them the Part 95.400ff rules.

73,

KI4BOO
12-14-2003, 06:14 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Dec. 13 2003,10:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey, how was I to know all you're supposed to say is, &quot;Howzit lookin' over yer shoulder, driver?&quot;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, no ya' Mud Duck. Ya' got it all Bass Ackwards.

It's &quot;Hey thar Good Buddy! What's it look like over yer donkey?&quot; Ya' copy that?
::beep::

w9ass
12-14-2003, 10:20 AM
AWWWWWWWWDIO....AWWWWWDIO.....

How bout ya DX land? How bout ya DX land...943 around Chicago gettin' up...How bout ya handcuffs? 943 readin tha mail...

KC9DGM
(aka number 943 round this Chicago town!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

w3sy
12-14-2003, 01:15 PM
Yo yo yo WX7B,

Welcome to the smartass club! You should come to our meetings more often. har...

Actually, in the example I gave, I wasn't asking for directions. I was asking for a smokey report.

So, um, what was I guilty of? I didn't verbally abuse the gentlemen. I spoke only when the frequency - whoops, CHANNEL - was clear. I used no profanity. That's not jamming. All I did &quot;wrong&quot; was speak proper English. Did it get on their nerves that someone on their channel sounded like he got further than 5th grade? Yeah. &lt;snicker&gt;

And I only made the one transmission, then sat back, smiled, and listened to the avalanche. Sorry, but I fail to see the violation. HAW!!!

Other nits to pick -- Yes, it IS a bit &quot;1981.&quot; That's about when this happened. MAYBE as late as 1984 or so. But it's a timeless diversion, and could be enjoyed again and again today with similar results. Also, I've been licensed since 1970. I've had the current call since '77. Just wanted to set the record straight.

Regrettably, I haven't been listening to Jim Rome much lately. He's no longer on the station that was carrying him. But I DID enjoy his show! I also love Howard Stern. I sometimes like Don 'n' Mike, but sometimes they get boring and I have to switch to the local sports show. I have an hour commute, so I do enjoy reading the mail on the FM and AM broadcast band.

So why does this topic come up? I dunno. It's fun? I guess that's why. CB'ers are a never-ending source of amusement. i hope they NEVER go away.

Good day to YOU, sir.

Out.

N1XHF
12-14-2003, 02:16 PM
That article had it all wrong!!!!!! If for emergency reasons something happens channel 9 is no longer used. It's 28.150 on your galaxy radio and if you want to hear fowl moulth truckers channel 19 has been moved it's any freq between 27.900 and 28.600. I'm suprised that it did not turn into a freebander advertisement for copper.com http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

w3sy
12-14-2003, 03:59 PM
Hey good point!

I bet the 28 MHz interlopers have been taking gas this weekend with the contest going on. Haw!! Bet they didn't know what HIT 'em!

N8CPA
12-14-2003, 06:06 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Dec. 14 2003,08:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey good point!

I bet the 28 MHz interlopers have been taking gas this weekend with the contest going on. Haw!! Bet they didn't know what HIT 'em![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
100% correct! #This weekend it has become a hobby (frustrating idiots) within a hobby (contesting) wrapped in a hobby (amateur radio)* to sit and run on the &quot;company channels.&quot; #I call &quot;CQ TEST&quot; right in the center of the bandpass of the reverbs and roger beeps. #They apparently think it's some other clown like them &quot;throwing a carrier.&quot; #So they start doing likewise, occasionally cussing. #It really gets their goats! #And...it nets me a lot of contacts. #

Yea, The Brass Sacrament is holy. #The roger beeps and reverbs of the cesspool of the accursed shall not prevail against it. #Thus speaketh Morse.

*And all while occasionally posting here.
!!

N2YNA
12-14-2003, 08:10 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Dec. 13 2003,10:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here is how I would get all the Channel 19 truckers cursing at me at once:

I'd key the mic, clear my throat, and say, &quot;It is my fervent desire at this time to ascertain the precise geographical position of any and all duly appointed law enforcement officials, either in clearly marked patrol vehicles, or those lacking such clear marking, in the event that I may develop a spontaneous desire to exceed the speed limit, as posted.&quot;

Hot damn, they called me every name in the book! It was HEE-LARIOUS.

I wish I had received one TENTH the response any time I asked for directions. Haw!

Hey, how was I to know all you're supposed to say is, &quot;Howzit lookin' over yer shoulder, driver?&quot;

&lt;cackle&gt;

Out.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
To make it fair, we need to take a good look (or listen) to our own local 2 meter repeaters. While not to the extent of the garbage heard on CB, there are quite a few instances where listening to the 2 meter dribble makes me wish i never turned the damn radio on. For example......

Why do hams on the repeaters have to constantly remind us , and update us on the driver in front of them? Constant rambling of how the driver is going too slow. For gods sake,some of these guys cant even complete a sentence without updating everybody who is on the repeater on what another driver is doing. Like anybody cares!!

Hearing about other peoples problems. Ok Bill (made up name). We know your on a ventilator, you have no job, you just coughed up a lung, your wife is on her death bed, your dog just croaked etc etc etc......Listening to this makes me want to check into a depression clinic. I think some of these hams get on the air just to vent there problems. And on a repeater we have no choice but to listen (unless we are smart enough to turn off the radio.

1 hour weather reports. Snowing throughout the region. Yet the drivetime crew finds a need to talk about it during there entire commute. OK folks its snowing we know...on to something else please.

You mentioned directions. Ever try to ask for directions on a 2 meter repeater?? What a joke. One guy comes in and gives you directions to your destination. Then another &quot;helpful&quot; ham comes on with a supposedly easier route. Before you know it you got 6 different hams giving you directions. Your confused and where probably better off not asking for directions at all. Each idiot thinks they got a better way to get to your destination. You say &amp;*$@ it turn off the radio and pull out old Rand Mcnally.

Auto patches......Now if you want to make a complete and utter fool out of yourself, just use the auto-patch. How many times does do we hear some Jack ass calling his old lady telling him that he is on his way home and will be home in about 5 minutes. What is the purpose of this?? My guess is that the guys wife is seeing some other guy, and that he calls her to give her enough time to finish up (and clean up) and have him scurry out the back window before he gets home. Or how about the shmuck who needs to call himself just to see if the phone is working? How about the idiot who needs to interrupt a conversation to make a patch. He has a weak signal, dials it up, but cant bring up the patch. Over and over he states his call and says &quot;into the patch&quot; Finally after about the 5th try he gets through, only to tell the wife that he's on his way home (but by now hes in the driveway and tells her that hes coming in the door) Auto patches are a complete and utter joke, and should only be used for emergencies, NOT for calling the old hag and giving her enough time to get rid of the guy shes been sleeping around with!!!

How about the guy who has an &quot;emergency&quot; and needs to call 911 for a stranded motorist. Oh!!! This is another classic!! This is *static* ham radio operator *static* can you hear me? Im sorry sir what was that? This commences 3 or 4 times and the operator finally understands what the dummy is saying. &quot;there is some lady on the interstate with a flat tire&quot; The operator is asking : &quot;is she in danger? Or blocking traffic&quot;? Of course the lady is not blocking traffic and is in no danger whatsoever. The dummy making the call just wanted to be helpful, which in turn ties up the 911 center and prevents someone from making a legit emrgency call for a REAL emergency situation.

give me a break

*rant over*

w3sy
12-14-2003, 08:28 PM
And a good rant it was!

My all time favorite is the husband-wife fights on the repeaters. Another &quot;benefit&quot; of the 2 meter FRS-Deluxe service.

N8CPA
12-14-2003, 08:44 PM
Quick! Get on 28.085.5! I'm calling CQ test. Some illegal goober is running KWs trying to interfere. I have worked Norway MT UT through his garbage running 100W.
Boy is he mad!

!!

N2YNA
12-14-2003, 10:23 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Dec. 14 2003,13:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And a good rant it was!

My all time favorite is the husband-wife fights on the repeaters. Another &quot;benefit&quot; of the 2 meter FRS-Deluxe service.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Ahh yes...the husband and wife arguments.

Im waiting for the day when instead of hearing a simple tone at the end of each transmission, we instead hear a *ding, ding, ding......which of course will tell us that the fight is about to begin!!

w3sy
12-17-2003, 04:52 AM
I use the term &quot;fights&quot; loosely. They are usually more of a wife-on-husband beatdown. Makes you glad that No Code Tech privileges weren't granted on 20 meter SSB. The poor schmuck could suffer WORLDWIDE humiliation.

WA6CAW
12-17-2003, 05:39 AM
Yeah, ham radio will really handle your emergency with swiftness........

I called &quot;QRRR, QRRR, WA6CAW requesting emergency help&quot;, and several complained about the jerk with a weird call jamming the frequency.

I flipped on my CB, and got a quick response.

N8CPA
12-17-2003, 01:33 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WA6CAW @ Dec. 16 2003,22:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, ham radio will really handle your emergency with swiftness........

I called &quot;QRRR, QRRR, WA6CAW requesting emergency help&quot;, and several complained about the jerk with a weird call jamming the frequency.

I flipped on my CB, and got a quick response.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I thought QRRR was replaced by &quot;Break, Break, Break.&quot; I've only read about it. I've never heard it used in 25 years of activity. It isn't even on most Q-sig lists nowadays.

That's still no excuse for the behavior of the folks you asked for help. I heard something similar on a local repeater a few years ago. A group of computer techno-marvels were discussing their latest and greatest toys
when a ham hit a deer.

The driver was a sherrif's deputy pinned in the car by the deer's carcass, which had broken through the windshield and landed in such a way that it blocked the official radio. He couldn't tell his blood from the deer's. He was able to reach his HT.

He jumped between transmissions with &quot;Break, break, break&quot; and his call sign. The next geekoid simply acknowledged the incomer and went into a 2 minute soliloquy about dumpster diving, nearly timing out the repeater. He then turned it over to the deputy who was able to make his autopatch. And the repeater's scheduled control op then kept the air clear until the ambulance reached the deputy.

The lid found himself pretty much ostracized thereafter. But he found another repeater to discuss his latest midnight acquisitions. Last I heard he was leaving town--seems he dove in the wrong dumpster.

So the licensees like you describe eventually get theirs.
But just desserts are usually served a little too late to do any good at the time you need help, unfortunately.

!!

w4glm
12-17-2003, 02:45 PM
CB, always was JUNK always will be JUNK......

w3sy
12-17-2003, 05:49 PM
OM WA6CAW.... Well, it takes all types. In general, sounds like you have a better breed of CB'er out there on the Left Coast than we have here.

I have ALWAYS had a beef with the 2 meter repeater practice of &quot;acknowledging&quot; a breaker, then making a transmission, THEN turning it to the breaker. I've always thought that if someone breaks in, it's for a REASON, so I always turn it over the breaker immediately. &quot;Yeah, breaker K3SOB recognized... So anyway, me an' Mike are gonna go out and get drunk and do some hunting this Saturday. Weather will probably be pretty good. We gotta put some lard on the cat's boil that morning too, so I hope I'm not too hung over from Friday night, hi hi. So Jeff, how long is your old lady gonna be in the slammer this time? I heard the judge said he was sick of seeing her back in his courtroom again so soon .....&quot; and so on. That practice is stupid and rude.

But on CB, at least around here, you don't even get acknowledged.

Pick your poison, that's what I say! As for me, I don't leave the house without a cell phone these days.

Dit diddle dit dit, dit dit.

ki4bgo
12-17-2003, 08:03 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Dec. 17 2003,14:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for me, I don't leave the house without a cell phone these days.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Not me...Don't have one... WON'T have one! The phone at the house is annoying enough, don't need it following me around! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

WA6CAW
12-18-2003, 06:49 AM
Thanks all for the comments,

I have to admit it was a few years ago, which makes me an OM, and so the result from CB was a tad better than what you might get now. Plus the population on ham bands was a little less than we have now.

Yes, we have the cb'ers that now go breaker, breaker, on the 2m repeaters, and wonder why they get a cool reception.

But I have to admit that I have &quot;guided&quot; many of my customers into the ARS from CB, and they in it today. I started my personal CB business in 1976, and closed it in 1980. I grossed approx 350,000.00 a year during the peak of cb. I could list a bunch of call signs that were cb'ers and now &quot;hams&quot; .

Nice to reflect....................wwhen your are an OM, the past seems more relevant.

n0ov
12-18-2003, 02:04 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w4glm @ Dec. 16 2003,08:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CB, always was JUNK always will be JUNK......[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree for the most part.

However I have a CB and antenna I keep handy, along with an FRS and GMRS radio for potential use in an emergency

Never had to use it -- nice to have the capability just in case it's needed.

(Besides -- the old CB is lots of fun when someone complains they can't make contacts on Field Day -- it's fun to see the reaction when you had them an old Charlie Brown and suggest they may have better luck on this..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

ac3p
12-18-2003, 05:36 PM
Gotta agree with the posts about the 10 meter contest driving the illegals crazy.

I was on CW when I noticed an AM carrier. Flipped the AM mode on and heard some guy complaining that that freq. 28.065 Mhz. was as high as he could go.

I immediately went from hunt and pounce mode for qsos to calling cq test. After a few cq's the interloppers were gone.

We need a 10 meter contest every weekend, if not everyday.

And how about lifting the contest restriction on 12 meters too? Could use some actual ham activity there as well.

N8CPA
12-18-2003, 06:29 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ac3p @ Dec. 18 2003,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Gotta agree with the posts about the 10 meter contest driving the illegals crazy.

I was on CW when I noticed an AM carrier. Flipped the AM mode on and heard some guy complaining that that freq. 28.065 Mhz. was as high as he could go.

I immediately went from hunt and pounce mode for qsos to calling cq test. After a few cq's the interloppers were gone.

We need a 10 meter contest every weekend, if not everyday.

And how about lifting the contest restriction on 12 meters too? Could use some actual ham activity there as well.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
As I said, it was a hobby within a hobby within a hobby.
And it was a blast! In fact, I got a scary amount of satisfaction stepping all over their KWs with my 10-100W.

I normally make a lot more Qs H&amp;P. But when I'd hear those characters, I did the same as you, stop and call CQ. And never did an illegal signal stop a Q, though they sometimes tried to time their carrier bursts with the signals of stations answering. I was even able to copy the weak ones.

It may have meant fewer Qs for me due to the waiting for an answer factor, but the rewards of chasing them off were worth more than mere contact points. I only wonder how many stations failed to answer because of the extraneous illegal noise. Their loss!

!!

ai4ep
12-22-2003, 02:07 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif 5 great uses for CB radios that any AMATEUR can use them for around the house : 1) great door stops ... 2) so-239 antenna connectors can be used for AMATEUR rigs ...3) some mike plugs can be used for AMATEUR rigs ...4) a FEW ( very few ) parts inside the CB rig can be used for other radios ( scanners, AMATEUR rigs, etc ) ...5) something for the JUNK table the next time you or the neighbors have a community yard sale. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

N8CPA
12-22-2003, 06:55 PM
Deverminate was a verb coined in the local public office of the Bell operating company. After modularization of home wiring, it became necessary, when customers would return malfuntioning telephones, to store the things in varmint bags until they could be examined for infestation by roaches, mice, etc. There was a procedure for &quot;deverminating&quot; the bag before the telephone was removed for repair or disposal.

A CB cabinet might be useful to house a homebrew kit of some kind after it has been through such a procedure.

But be advised! Reuse of such may cause the recycler to lose significant mental capacity. And if you later sell a kit housed in such a case, you are obliged to attach a label advising of potential mental dysfunction and IQ drop, which may result from being in close contact with anything ever used on those frequencies. So-239s
and DIN connectors appear to be exempt from such hazards, but the rest of the circuit should be discarded.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

!!

KG4CGC
12-22-2003, 07:40 PM
CB is the only mode that will get through when others won't.

ac3p
12-22-2003, 07:57 PM
Yep. Those U.S. Navy Construction Battalions have that &quot;Can Do&quot; spirit.

W5HTW
12-22-2003, 08:39 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4CGC @ Dec. 22 2003,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CB is the only mode that will get through when others won't.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well the &quot;signal&quot; might get through. But getting through with &quot;Aiiii=yeaaaah, 10-4, roger ten, I'm keying down and you ain't gonna talk, there, &amp;*@^^$, cause I got the hammer down, and this do be Shorty 34 in the cold and the bold, with the man with the plan, roger-four?&quot; doesn't get any more communication across than a monkey waving a pair of bananas.

Merry 10-4 Christmas and roger-ten Happy New Year's, 10-4?

Ed

KG4CGC
12-23-2003, 11:15 AM
Gee,
Sorry Ed. I thought it was funny! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Newpy Hap Year http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

N8CPA
12-23-2003, 11:32 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ Dec. 22 2003,13:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4CGC @ Dec. 22 2003,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CB is the only mode that will get through when others won't.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well the &quot;signal&quot; might get through. #But getting through with &quot;Aiiii=yeaaaah, 10-4, roger ten, I'm keying down and you ain't gonna talk, there, &amp;*@^^$, cause I got the hammer down, and this do be Shorty 34 in the cold and the bold, with the man with the plan, roger-four?&quot; doesn't get any more communication across than a monkey waving a pair of bananas. #

Merry 10-4 Christmas and roger-ten Happy New Year's, 10-4?

Ed[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks, Ed! #Your turn of phrase has put me in peril.

I'm prone to a condition of hystercial laughter when certain images pop into mind. #It can happen randomly. There is a medical term for it--which I can't think of because I'm laughing so hard over that image of a monkey waving bananas while using 10-codes. #

ROTFLMAO! #I've fallen and I can't get up!--my cane is on the other side of the room and I need the A I have left. #Help! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

!!

[Don't worry I'm exagerating. #That is a funny image!] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

w3sy
12-23-2003, 05:09 PM
Quote #1:
&quot;CB is the only mode that will get through when others won't.&quot;

Quote #2:
&quot;Well the &quot;signal&quot; might get through. But getting through with &quot;Aiiii=yeaaaah, 10-4, roger ten, I'm keying down and you ain't gonna talk, there, &amp;*@^^$, cause I got the hammer down, and this do be Shorty 34 in the cold and the bold, with the man with the plan, roger-four?&quot; doesn't get any more communication across than a monkey waving a pair of bananas.&quot;

Two HILARIOUS quotes! One funnier than the next! Haw!!!

MFC, ONE AND ALL!!