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NA0AA
06-09-2012, 12:53 AM
Actually, he's expecting Pat to. If he were a good dad looking out for the baby's safety, he'd find somewhere to set up home where he felt it was safe for his child.
IF Ben were a "Good Dad" he would be self-supporting his family before he created the critter.
Pat, I truely hope most or all of this is hyperbole, cause it sure does not sound like fun from where I'm sitting.
Actually, he's expecting Pat to. If he were a good dad looking out for the baby's safety, he'd find somewhere to set up home where he felt it was safe for his child.
EXCELLENT POINT!!
But it must be remembered that the XYL is part of this too.
73 de Jim, N2EY
NA0AA
06-09-2012, 12:57 AM
Well, that's the problem with Boys, they are ready to make babies themselves before they are men.
If Ben was a good father, he'd have gotten a job and his own home prior to reproducing.
It's not Pat's job to support his kid, the baby-mama and the baby, and all the saying he should get rid of his stuff in favor of the baby that is not his is simply balloon juice.
Pat, I hope it's all hyperbole.
K9STH
06-09-2012, 01:01 AM
MHZ:
In a number of the photos that you have posted over the years show several examples of an individual model of radio. Now you may not have anywhere near as many of a particular model as you have Heath HW-30 "Twoer" units. However, having more than one model means duplicates!
I do have a number of boat anchor radios. However, the total number of units doesn't approach 100 and those radios don't take up even the majority of a single room in my house. I do have 2-models which are duplicates. The first example is my Collins 75S-1 receivers. One receiver, one with the Waters rejection installed, is used as the receiver when working "split" primarily on 40-meter SSB (DX outside of the U.S. phone band) and the other, which has the Collins 500 Hz mechanical filter for CW, is paired with my 32S-1 transmitter. The second example is my Heath VF-1 VFOs. However, they represent 2-widely different physical "layouts". One is the very early version and the other is the much more common version, the front panels are vastly different.
Over the years, I have sold, traded off, given away, a number of different units examples of which I do not presently own.
My wife doesn't "nag" me about my radios and I don't "nag" her about her clocks. However, the radios do not present any hazard to anyone and, with the exception of the Heath "original twins" station, none are even visible from the main part of the house.
As I posted before, quality is definitely preferred to quantity. Having several radios that are in perfect working order, look good, etc., is a whole lot better than stacks and stacks of radios of dubious performance which will, almost certainly, never be used or properly displayed.
Stacks of radios, just sitting there, is NOT a museum! If you really want to have a museum then you have to present the radios in an appropriate manner. Basically, that means in a building with proper shelving, information cards on each unit, and so forth. Establishing a true museum requires a lot of effort and a substantial financial investment. No matter what one "intends" to do, just having a large quantity of radios does not a museum make! What it really indicates is hoarding!
I have a friend who did establish a museum (it is still around). It basically took years, and a LOT of work by him and his wife, as well as a lot of cooperation and physical effort by quite a number of others, to make it possible.
Every individual has priorities in life. Whether or not those priorities meet the favor of others is, of course, open for discussion. Society generally places one's family, and then their lifestyle, higher than other things. But, what one does with their life is up to them and their family. Basically, one makes choices and then has to "live" with those choices.
Glen, K9STH
Well, that's the problem with Boys, they are ready to make babies themselves before they are men.
SOME boys (and girls!) are like that. Not all, not even most.
If Ben was a good father, he'd have gotten a job and his own home prior to reproducing.
Agreed. But he didn't do that - think about WHY!
It's not Pat's job to support his kid, the baby-mama and the baby, and all the saying he should get rid of his stuff in favor of the baby that is not his is simply balloon juice.
Pat, I hope it's all hyperbole.
The kid has been brought up to expect that practically everything would be provided for him. Who would want to get off that gravy train?
I, too, hope it is all hyperbole. For a while I thought it was all made up. But, looking at the FB page, I don't think it is.
Most important of all, whose side do you think the law would be on if something bad happens?
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What K9STH said in the post just before this one is right on the money.
73 de Jim, N2EY
WB2WIK
06-09-2012, 01:40 AM
Pat's heart is in the right place regarding the collection which is "almost" a museum.
He has gear at two locations as far as I know, and opens the collection for viewing by the general public, so that's museum-like.
If I were to start a ham radio museum, which I probably won't unless I get really bored in retirement (!), I'd probably focus on very old stuff from the 20s-30s-40s and stop around there because stuff newer than that is still in general circulation, and being used quite a bit. I have absolutely nothing that old, although I once did have a Hallicrafters Super Skyrider, an HRO-50, and bunch of ARC-5 stuff and other WW2 surplus. No longer.
My first homebrew "big kilowatt" used parts from a BC-610 including the power transformer which weighed more than I did, but I don't have that anymore.
I think I'd want just one example of everything, restored to operational so it could all be put on the air, and then make it a "working ham station museum" where newbies could come through and use it all to make contacts and see "what it was like in the good old days." Then when they got home to their modern gear they could really appreciate it!
NA0AA
06-09-2012, 03:47 AM
I, too, hope it is all hyperbole. For a while I thought it was all made up. But, looking at the FB page, I don't think it is.
Most important of all, whose side do you think the law would be on if something bad happens?
First off, I'd sure like a like to the FB page, I found a name but cannot see it - I suppose I need to friend somebody?
Whose side? Well, That's the complicated part in CA - actually the boy, even though he's an adult freeloader, has some rights if he puts up a stink, sadly.
I've always like the legal theory known as "Last Clear Chance" in which you plea the responsiblity is the person with the last, clear chance to avoid the disaster, in this case, daddy Ben, taking little sprog out of the dangerous grandpa's house and raise him in a nice, safe house with lots of plug covers and childproof toilet seat lids and cleaning products stored out of the reach of the little one.
From the sounds of it, not much chance of that happening though. Makes the difficulties I had with my kid seem like a cakewalk.
N0WYO
06-09-2012, 04:26 AM
I had no problem finding Pat's FB page. That kid of his is a real piece of work! Whether or not anyone thinks this 'collection' of radios is a museum, or just another example of hoarding is missing the point. This is NOT Ben's house! If he thinks it's too dangerous to raise a kid there, then MOVE! I love my kids dearly, but I wouldn't cow tow to any of them if they had THAT attitude!
I was shocked! He doesn't have a friggin' clue!!!
AC0FP
06-09-2012, 04:31 AM
First I second what STH said! Someone that said "Remember that there are well over 1000 radios here, most in restored and excellent condition. I have spent much of my life collecting and restoring these" would not stack them up on top of one another in a back room.
I think you over value your house, you probably wouldn't get half of what you quoted, particularly if one of the rooms is not fit for human habitation.
I have a house but it only has four bedrooms not five. Of course it also has three baths and a living room, dining room and family room along with a basement where my shack is. The tax assessor says it worth +190,000 but houses around here go for a little over 100k. All areas of the house are suitable for human habitation!
First off, I'd sure like a like to the FB page, I found a name but cannot see it - I suppose I need to friend somebody?
You just need a FB account of your own, go to Pat's FB page, and read the comments.
Whose side? Well, That's the complicated part in CA - actually the boy, even though he's an adult freeloader, has some rights if he puts up a stink, sadly.
From what is on FB, "the boy" has 2 jobs, and the girlfriend went to Phoenix because she has a good job there.
I've always like the legal theory known as "Last Clear Chance" in which you plea the responsiblity is the person with the last, clear chance to avoid the disaster, in this case, daddy Ben, taking little sprog out of the dangerous grandpa's house and raise him in a nice, safe house with lots of plug covers and childproof toilet seat lids and cleaning products stored out of the reach of the little one.
Never heard of that but it makes perfect sense. We can lecture all day about "freeloading", but if there's an option to go to a safer place and Dad doesn't take it, he's negligent.
The kid is 2-1/2 years old, which is prime disaster time.
From the sounds of it, not much chance of that happening though. Makes the difficulties I had with my kid seem like a cakewalk.
It would be really interesting to see pictures of the museum,,,,,
73 de jim, N2EY
I had no problem finding Pat's FB page. That kid of his is a real piece of work! Whether or not anyone thinks this 'collection' of radios is a museum, or just another example of hoarding is missing the point. This is NOT Ben's house! If he thinks it's too dangerous to raise a kid there, then MOVE! I love my kids dearly, but I wouldn't cow tow to any of them if they had THAT attitude!
I was shocked! He doesn't have a friggin' clue!!!
I think you've missed a couple of points:
1) It's also the XYL's house. Community property and all that.
2) The XYL wants the grandkid back, but the only way that will happen is if the house environment changes.
3) (The big one) We're not getting the whole story.
73 de Jim, N2EY
3) (The big one) We're not getting the whole story.
THAT is the biggest understatement of this whole thread...
THAT is the biggest understatement of this whole thread...
Yep! Some of the "details" turn things around - if they're true.
I suspect we'll never really know the truth.
73 de Jim, N2EY
N0AZZ
06-09-2012, 11:00 AM
If I might tell a short story about a close friend who was my best man when I married the 1st time in 1968. He married the next year and they had a child in 1971 he dropped out of high school in his junior year finally got a GED in 1997. He was married for a while and had a child she left him because he could or would not hold down a job in fact all the time they marries they lived with his parents. Oh forgot to add that was the only place he had ever lived and his mother mother insisted that Steve my friend should let him stat as long as needed to get on his feet. Yes they did but everything for him including cigarettes and all his food, clothing, personal needs everything when he did work he used that money to buy drugs.
Over the years they have lived in several areas KS,AZ,TX and now AZ again Tucson they have tried to get him to leave many times but he still follows them every time. Move forward to today 2012 he is over 40 yrs old and still there he faked a disability for several yrs and now receives SSI never worked enough to have any SS in.
Pat it's time for you to act before this exact thing has happened to your last 40 yrs or so while there is still time there is no end. My friend's wife called me 2 wks ago and told me after being married all this time that Steve had asked for a divorce at his age of 65. He had retired finally from his job and also 30 yrs in the Naval Reserve a pension and he could not afford to support her and the son any longer and gave her a choice. I have not heard back from either of them since.
Pat don't cave in I have grandchildren also and I know what that is all about but it's time for you to make a stand or "Forever Hold Your Peace". Tell the wife you love her dearly and the grandchild and son but the time has come for both of you to make him stand on his own 2 feet "Sink or Swim" I had to do the same with my son at the age of 21.
If I might tell a short story about a close friend who was my best man when I married the 1st time in 1968. He married the next year and they had a child in 1971 he dropped out of high school in his junior year finally got a GED in 1997. He was married for a while and had a child she left him because he could or would not hold down a job in fact all the time they marries they lived with his parents. Oh forgot to add that was the only place he had ever lived and his mother mother insisted that Steve my friend should let him stat as long as needed to get on his feet. Yes they did but everything for him including cigarettes and all his food, clothing, personal needs everything when he did work he used that money to buy drugs.
Over the years they have lived in several areas KS,AZ,TX and now AZ again Tucson they have tried to get him to leave many times but he still follows them every time. Move forward to today 2012 he is over 40 yrs old and still there he faked a disability for several yrs and now receives SSI never worked enough to have any SS in.
Pat it's time for you to act before this exact thing has happened to your last 40 yrs or so while there is still time there is no end. My friend's wife called me 2 wks ago and told me after being married all this time that Steve had asked for a divorce at his age of 65. He had retired finally from his job and also 30 yrs in the Naval Reserve a pension and he could not afford to support her and the son any longer and gave her a choice. I have not heard back from either of them since.
Pat don't cave in I have grandchildren also and I know what that is all about but it's time for you to make a stand or "Forever Hold Your Peace". Tell the wife you love her dearly and the grandchild and son but the time has come for both of you to make him stand on his own 2 feet "Sink or Swim" I had to do the same with my son at the age of 21.
Fred,
Good story, but Pat's situation has some important differences.
According to FB his son works two jobs - one full-time, one part-time. His GF moved away because she has a good job there. So it's not like they don't work.
By Pat's own admission, he wasn't all that involved, and the son was pampered the whole time by his mother. So it's a big sea change to make.
Plus the XYL doesn't seem to be on-board at all.
What we really don't know is what the actual conditions are.
73 de jim, N2EY
I suspect we'll never really know the truth.
When my dad hears one of my brothers say something that he questions, he usually prefaces his response with, "If what you say is true..." We ought to do that here. :)
I never watched a soap opera in my life. Never could see what the attraction was.
Now I do. I check this "As the Yagi Turns" before going to bed at night, and first thing in the morning.
When my dad hears one of my brothers say something that he questions, he usually begins his sentence with, "If what you say is true..." We ought to do that here. :)
YES!!
There's also the "lie by omission" part - where a story is profoundly changed by what ISN'T told.
73 de Jim, N2EY
... I have spent much of my life collecting and restoring these, at GREAT personal expense and incredible hours of labor and love. This baby only just came along recently (of which I had no choice in). Before the baby came along, WA6BEN was highly irresponsible. Becoming a father has made a remarkable improvement in him and he is truly a MUCH better father than I ever was. When WA6BEN was a rug rodent, I let his mother do all the baby duties and I was always out at radio club meetings or on the radio. I never saw much of him. That "Cats in a Cradle" song is SO PERTINENT to my life with him. But, unlike that song, he did NOT do the same with his own son. He changes diapers and spends alot of time with him. Ben was treated more like a ROOMMATE, never a child or son. That includes a Hands-off discipline policy where he was allowed to do as he pleased as long as he was contained and did no damage to my stuff.
Again, it is really HIS problem. As I said, the Radios were here long before even his Mother came along, and will be here after they all go. The Museum is my whole LIFE, my life's work, and I continue to collect and restore to this day.
I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet:
"The Amateur is Balanced . . . Radio is his hobby. He never allows it to interfere with any of the duties he owes to his home, his job, his school, or his community."
AF6LJ
06-09-2012, 02:06 PM
I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet:
"The Amateur is Balanced . . . Radio is his hobby. He never allows it to interfere with any of the duties he owes to his home, his job, his school, or his community."
That is Pat's choice; When I left home I all but turned my back on my dysfunctional family in favor of friends I could choose to have in my life. My grandparents were the influence in my life and when they passed into the next world I had no reason to have anything to do with my family.
I totally understand Pat's position.
For those of you who are happy with your family life, I am very happy for you.
Truthfully my life is better without my remaining relatives, I have some of the most wonderful friends on the planet and some of them have been in my life for over forty five years.
W5WPL
06-09-2012, 03:53 PM
Fred is correct in saying that Pat needs to take a stand.
But he should safe the house.
AF6LJ
06-09-2012, 03:59 PM
Fred is correct in saying that Pat needs to take a stand.
But he should safe the house.
I look at all the problems people have because they marry and have children..
They end up with family issues, they can't lead their own life and they ruin good friendships...
You can't tell me marriage is such a good deal.
I would rather have my independence.
KB3LAZ
06-09-2012, 04:05 PM
I look at all the problems people have because they marry and have children..
They end up with family issues, they can't lead their own life and they ruin good friendships...
You can't tell me marriage is such a good deal.
I would rather have my independence.
Many people have a good experience with marriage and the family life as well. I think that much like with anything else, negativity just gets more time in the spotlight.
AF6LJ
06-09-2012, 04:11 PM
Many people have a good experience with marriage and the family life as well. I think that much like with anything else, negativity just gets more time in the spotlight.
I think you are right...
I just don't see it for me.
But then again
Mr. Right hasn't come along, and I admit; I am not looking ether.
As a side note....
One of my best friends who it seemed like would end up being a spinster like me did find Mr. Right before she turned 58. They are a very happy couple now. :)
KB3LAZ
06-09-2012, 05:09 PM
I think you are right...
I just don't see it for me.
But then again
Mr. Right hasn't come along, and I admit; I am not looking ether.
As a side note....
One of my best friends who it seemed like would end up being a spinster like me did find Mr. Right before she turned 58. They are a very happy couple now. :)
I wasnt looking for it, it broadsided me. Lol.
AF6LJ
06-09-2012, 05:22 PM
I wasnt looking for it, it broadsided me. Lol.
Actually that is how it happened with her.
K9STH
06-09-2012, 07:49 PM
LJ:
When I worked for TXU, one of the women had a picture hanging in her office. It showed the skeleton of a woman sitting on a park bench. The caption was: "Waiting for Mr. Right"!
Glen, K9STH
Big wave-out to my BFL friends who have been reading and commenting on the thread. Guys, is this anywhere near the "Pool Party" or the "I'm Foing!" General Discussion threads in sheer epicness?
KM6MB
06-09-2012, 08:12 PM
This could be a No1 bestseller paperback Pat. You could be a millionaire and leave all of them to it when you move into a larger mansion.....:cool:
W5BIB
06-09-2012, 08:28 PM
This could be a No1 bestseller paperback Pat. You could be a millionaire and leave all of them to it when you move into a larger mansion.....:cool: I'm thinking more like a T.V. series i.e.; 'AS THE DIAL TURNS"... (any other suggestions for a title?):cool:
AF6LJ
06-09-2012, 08:46 PM
LJ:
When I worked for TXU, one of the women had a picture hanging in her office. It showed the skeleton of a woman sitting on a park bench. The caption was: "Waiting for Mr. Right"!
Glen, K9STH:)
That's cute...
I'm not waiting for Mr. Right....
I leave it to the universe and GOD to work out. :)
My friend wasn't ether, she just bumped into the guy one day and it was love at first sight.
AE4JJ
06-09-2012, 10:15 PM
Pat
I must admit after reading this thread the you are an expert at "spinning a yarn". You have great talent as a writer (in addition to being an expert "radio doctor") .
However, I also sense that there are REAL and SERIOUS problems behind what you write.
IMHO, the first step is to admit you have a problem.......God bless you and your family......
John
Compulsive hoarding
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Compulsive_hoarding_Apartment.jpg)
Compulsive hoarding (or pathological collecting) is a pattern of behavior that is characterized by the excessive acquisition of and inability or unwillingness to discard large quantities of objects that would seemingly qualify as useless or without value.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding#cite_note-0) Compulsive hoarding behavior has been associated with health risks, impaired functioning, economic burden, and adverse effects on friends and family members.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding#cite_note-1) When clinically significant enough to impair functioning, hoarding can prevent typical uses of space so as to limit activities such as cooking, cleaning, moving through the house, and sleeping. It can also be dangerous if it puts the individual or others at risk for fire, falling, poor sanitation, and other health concerns.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding#cite_note-2)
It is not clear whether compulsive hoarding is an isolated disorder, or rather a symptom of another condition, such as obsessive-compulsive disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive-compulsive_disorder).[4]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding#cite_note-steketee-3)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding#cite_note-steketee-3)
KB1NXE
06-09-2012, 11:27 PM
Actually, since Ben has established his abode in the house (receives mail, bills, voting address, etc) he does have certain rights. He cannot be just 'kicked out'. That's the law, and applies to children just as much as Pat's wife, himself, etc. So, the only way to get him out of the house unless it's under his own steam, is eviction. And that's going to be near impossible with the mother situation. I agree that Ben needs to stand on his own two feet and move out, he ain't gonna as long as it's easy.
The first thing is the eliminate the dogs. They are classified as Dangerous Dog in Calli as I recall (Pit Bulls). If they damage the house or make you feel threatened, you can easily 'evict' the dogs. That's just a call to the dog warden, animal shelter, whatever! Wanna bet Ben goes where the dogs do?????
Not sure Pat's collecting fully qualifies as hoarding as most of it does have value. It most certainly qualifies as compulsive.
Not sure Pat's collecting fully qualifies as hoarding as most of it does have value. It most certainly qualifies as compulsive.
Being one of the armchair psychologists that KC0W says we are :) ...
Since Pat goes out of his way to buy radios over important things like buying healthful foods, buying enough food, paying for car maintenance/repairs, making house maintenance/repairs, etc., it's a little more than just compulsive.
W7JZE
06-10-2012, 01:19 AM
I never watched a soap opera in my life. Never could see what the attraction was.
Now I do. I check this "As the Yagi Turns" before going to bed at night, and first thing in the morning.
^^ Yup, What XT said ^^
Totally addicted, I am http://ae1pt.com/smilies/redface.png.
GL Pat. Tough times. After being married three times myself, I try not to give advice to others in these matters. You seem like a good guy. I hope this all works out for you. GL.
Actually, since Ben has established his abode in the house (receives mail, bills, voting address, etc) he does have certain rights. He cannot be just 'kicked out'. That's the law, and applies to children just as much as Pat's wife, himself, etc.
I did not know that! Is this true in all states?
If so, how come we hear about how someone's spouse/parent "threw them out of the house"? Is it as simple as them not knowing the law?
So, the only way to get him out of the house unless it's under his own steam, is eviction.
I suppose that such an eviction could be legally very difficult. In the case of a landlord/tenant dispute, the grounds for eviction are clearly spelled out in the lease. But when there is no lease, and things have gone on a certain way for years, I can see where the situation would be very different.
And that's going to be near impossible with the mother situation. I agree that Ben needs to stand on his own two feet and move out, he ain't gonna as long as it's easy.
Reading the FB comments, I get the impression that the son is has a job and is trying to move out.
The first thing is the eliminate the dogs. They are classified as Dangerous Dog in Calli as I recall (Pit Bulls). If they damage the house or make you feel threatened, you can easily 'evict' the dogs. That's just a call to the dog warden, animal shelter, whatever! Wanna bet Ben goes where the dogs do?????
Interesting idea!
73 de Jim, N2EY
KB1NXE
06-10-2012, 02:37 AM
In California the law is defined within the Tax Codes. Interesting place to detail this, but hey, who cares. It reads:
"Residence" and "domicile" are distinct concepts for California tax purposes. "Domicile" denotes the one location with which a person has the most settled and permanent connections and where the person intends to remain. [fn6] (http://www.mofo.com/pubs/xpqPublicationDetail.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&pub=6792#6) "Residence" denotes any factual place of abode of some permanency, that is, "more than a mere temporary sojourn.
It also goes on to say:
One can only have one domicile.
So for the purpose of Ca, that is his residence.
I haven't read where his son is considering moving out. I've read many comments that say he should (including my own).
An eviction would be very difficult as there is no agreement between Pat and his wife and his son. So there is no violations to prosecute under CA eviction laws.. Besides, Pat's wife would not evict her son as stated by Pat. Since CA is a community property state, she is inasmuch the landlord as Pat. [Google is great for looking up the laws.]
The girl wanted to leave and picked on the radios to do it. Because she is weak and not wanting to tell the truth (or else Ben made it up to hide the truth!) Good Riddance I say. She is obviously a selfish and immature person (sounds very similar to why my (soon to be ex) wife told me she was not going to join me in the US after the death of her mother in Germany). [My wife remained in Germany when I came back to the US in 2005 to take care of her mother. Her mother died in 2010 and my wife said her mother's dying wish was for her to stay in Germany and be there to tend her grave and not move to the US. My wife said she was honoring her mothers dying wish. I said I wanted a divorce! Which I am still waiting on!!!]
Anyway, I don't think Pat can get his son out of the house, unless Ben does it willingly or Ben commits a crime and Pat has him arrested. Hopefully, if he starts throwing stuff out, he picks on the older, more common and junky radios. To which Pat would need to responds with a swift call to the local PD and has his son arrested.
Anyone taking Bets?
Look - There's Big Foot!!! And Elvis, riding a Unicorn. :rolleyes:
In California the law is defined within the Tax Codes. Interesting place to detail this, but hey, who cares.
They do it that way so there is a precise definition "for tax purposes". You can bet that folks will try every trick to reduce their taxes, and if there isn't a clear and exact definition, those things will work.
For example, to avoid paying taxes in one place, a person might buy or rent a tiny apartment in another town or state and claim it as their "domicile" even though they are there two days a year, don't vote there, etc,
It reads:
"Residence" and "domicile" are distinct concepts for California tax purposes. "Domicile" denotes the one location with which a person has the most settled and permanent connections and where the person intends to remain. [fn6] (http://www.mofo.com/pubs/xpqPublicationDetail.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&pub=6792#6) "Residence" denotes any factual place of abode of some permanency, that is, "more than a mere temporary sojourn.
It also goes on to say:
One can only have one domicile.
So for the purpose of Ca, that is his residence.
Wow!
If what you say is true (and I have no reason to doubt that it is), then the situation is a lot more complex than "throw the kid out"
I haven't read where his son is considering moving out.
Comments on Pat's page on Facebook. You don't have to friend anyone to read it.
Of course what is written there may or may not be true. The son lists his status as "married" - but it is unclear whether there is a legal marriage or not.
I've read many comments that say he should (including my own).
And mine
An eviction would be very difficult as there is no agreement between Pat and his wife and his son. So there is no violations to prosecute under CA eviction laws.. Besides, Pat's wife would not evict her son as stated by Pat. Since CA is a community property state, she is inasmuch the landlord as Pat. [Google is great for looking up the laws.]
Yep, that's my understanding too. A landlord with a lease can evict a tenant who doesn't pay the rent, or who otherwise violates the terms of the lease. But without specific terms spelled out in a lease, there's no violations.
The girl wanted to leave and picked on the radios to do it. Because she is weak and not wanting to tell the truth (or else Ben made it up to hide the truth!) Good Riddance I say.
Maybe - I'm not so sure.
According to the above-mentioned discussion on FB, she had a good job and a nicer place to live elsewhere. The "baby" is 2-1/2 years old, which is prime wander-off-and-get-into-trouble age. We don;t really know what the condition of the house is; per Pat's descriptions, I imagine a relatively large house with radio stuff all over the place, stacked floor to ceiling. Not the safest place for small children!
Some pictures would tell much more than words, but I doubt we'll ever see any.
She is obviously a selfish and immature person (sounds very similar to why my (soon to be ex) wife told me she was not going to join me in the US after the death of her mother in Germany). [My wife remained in Germany when I came back to the US in 2005 to take care of her mother. Her mother died in 2010 and my wife said her mother's dying wish was for her to stay in Germany and be there to tend her grave and not move to the US. My wife said she was honoring her mothers dying wish. I said I wanted a divorce! Which I am still waiting on!!!]
Dang!
I feel for you - but be careful not to transfer your feelings for your "ex" to someone else. In your case, you moved and she refused to follow; in the other case, she moved....
Of course we still don't know the whole story.
Anyway, I don't think Pat can get his son out of the house, unless Ben does it willingly or Ben commits a crime and Pat has him arrested. Hopefully, if he starts throwing stuff out, he picks on the older, more common and junky radios. To which Pat would need to responds with a swift call to the local PD and has his son arrested.
I agree. But even then there may be legal issues. Since it is a community-propety state, what if the son says "Mom told me to do it" and Mom agrees? The stuff is half hers!
Or what if, instead of throwing it out, it is simply moved somewhere else? The garage, a storage pod, etc.?
Anyone taking Bets?
Look - There's Big Foot!!! And Elvis, riding a Unicorn. :rolleyes:
Yep!
Thanks for the legal info.
73 de jim, N2EY
KM6MB
06-10-2012, 11:59 AM
I'm thinking more like a T.V. series i.e.; 'AS THE DIAL TURNS"... (any other suggestions for a title?):cool:
Dallas, whoops that's been done..
WW3QB
06-10-2012, 02:45 PM
For those who may not be familiar with the conditions of this museum, here is a picture:
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They way they are stacked cannot be safe around small children. If a real permit to open to the public was applied for, I doubt approval would be granted for safety reasons.
The is also a video tour at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh200fQRDCM
For those who may not be familiar with the conditions of this museum, here is a picture:
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They way they are stacked cannot be safe around small children.
One picture is worth ten thousand words. Such stacks are definitely a safety issue. If the whole house is like that, I can understand getting a toddler out of there.
If a real permit to open to the public was applied for, I doubt approval would be granted for safety reasons.
A "museum", by definition, is open to the public, and is organized to tell a story in some way.
What is shown is a collection.
The is also a video tour at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh200fQRDCM
I watched it - and cringed.
Not to be critical, but the following leaped out at me:
1) Stacking equipment like that is never a good idea. Besides the safety issue, the units on the bottom are under stresses they weren't designed for.
2) I shudder to think what could happen if even a minor earthquake were to hit.
3) There is no obvious organization of pieces by date, type, manufacturer, intended function, etc. as one would expect of a "museum".
4) None of the equipment seems to be hooked up for actual operation.
5) The part of the collection shown could easily be made safe and attractive. All it would take is some organization and proper shelving, secured so that toppling and falling can't happen.
Here's the big thing: If this were the whole collection, and it was in a lockable room, no big deal. But if the whole house is like this....
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Some may say "it's his house and his collection, who are you to say anything about it?"
I say that when somebody puts such things in public, they become fair game.
73 de Jim, N2EY
WA6MHZ
06-10-2012, 11:10 PM
There are actually 2 parts to the Museum. The East Wing, which is my house, and the West Wing which is here at work. Both have many hundreds of radios in. Yes, there is NO organization as they get stacked up as they came in with no chance to designate "areas" for various themes. But that is why I am still FEVERISHLY looking for a new venue. I have contacted several museums here in town to see if they could offer some space, but they are already maxed out. An ideal place would be an old warehouse that is LOCKABLE to keep tramps/Methheads from breaking in and robbing the place. But serious amounts of publicity and pleading have done no good. They are stacked here because that is the ONLY place I have to put them! The garage if full, everything is full!!! Upstairs too! (though that is all manuals, something like 15 THOUSAND manuals! I have more Ham Manuals than the Library of COngress!!!!
So I would INDEED like to move them out, and there are a MILLION hams out there who would be TICKLED to COME AND GET THEM!!! But, as I said, I have incredible amounts of time and money in these and am not about to just "GIVE THEM ALL AWAY" to some RAT B*****D who would put them on Ebay and make himself a Millionaire! I haven't collected them for that. Yes, MOST DO WORK as I have meticulously restored them. Then they got stacked up. That is where the Heathkit SB-230 is going once it is fully updated and restored. I now have a 100% complete and operating SB-104A Line with all the accessories and now the Kilowatt amp! That all could be put on a table as an operating station. Same for many of the Hallicrafters, Drakes, WRLs, Hammarlunds, etc. etc. All is needed is a PLACE TO PUT IT and VOILA, we have a National Amateur Radio Museum with virtually all the history of Ham Radio including some that date back to the 20s. Oh yes, a 1908 Audion too!
So, no I don't want these stacked up in my house, but WHERE else am I going to put them? In a storage unit? Has none of you seen the series STORAGE WARS? Wouldn't those RBs love to have the locker openned and find 1000 vintage radios inside!!!!!
So, no I don't want these stacked up in my house, but WHERE else am I going to put them? In a storage unit? Has none of you seen the series STORAGE WARS? Wouldn't those RBs love to have the locker openned and find 1000 vintage radios inside!!!!!
Silly rabbit--as long as you pay your rental fee on time no one's going to commandeer your stuff from your storage garage. You do have to make sure you have insurance to cover off-site storage, though.
KB1NXE
06-11-2012, 01:14 AM
I guess, and this is My Humble Opinion, A mother truly worried about the safety of her child would be more inclined to worry about the two pit bulls. Just because there is more incident of pit bull on child mauling than radios on child falling. Yes, I understand the mathematics and statistics. The fact is, the pit bulls are as much of, if not more so, of a danger than the radios. Simply due to the mobility and unpredictability of the pit bulls and the static nature and inaccessibility of the radios (I presume the doors to some of the radio storage is closed). Also, the pit bulls are able to go to the child. And I don't know if anyone has ever determined what sets a pit bull off.
Just saying....
WW3QB
06-11-2012, 02:28 AM
(I presume the doors to some of the radio storage is closed).
Judging from earlier threads stating that the museum fills the house and these pictures (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28064376@N06/sets/72157625045587950/), I think you presume incorrectly.
NA0AA
06-11-2012, 03:11 AM
Mr. Right hasn't come along, and I admit; I am not looking ether.
Wilbur or Orville????
To quote Groucho Marx.
AF6LJ
06-11-2012, 03:13 AM
Wilbur or Orville????
To quote Groucho Marx.
That's cute.......
W5WPL
06-11-2012, 03:31 AM
That's cute.......
Hay baby. I be hear to takes goud cairs of yous. Misster wright be hears to swipe yous offs yo foots.
I bees paper trained. Yous only hast ta change ma depends only once a day.
I likes me sum soup. yous be able to rakes ciars of me?
AF6LJ
06-11-2012, 03:49 AM
Hay baby. I be hear to takes goud cairs of yous. Misster wright be hears to swipe yous offs yo foots.
I bees paper trained. Yous only hast ta change ma depends only once a day.
I likes me sum soup. yous be able to rakes ciars of me?
:eek:
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WA4BRL
06-11-2012, 06:37 AM
I likes me sum soup.
Im kinda parshall ta bizkits 'n musturd.
There are actually 2 parts to the Museum. The East Wing, which is my house, and the West Wing which is here at work. Both have many hundreds of radios in. Yes, there is NO organization as they get stacked up as they came in with no chance to designate "areas" for various themes.
There is always "a chance" to organize. You chose not to. Organization is one of the "support costs" you chose not to pay.
But that is why I am still FEVERISHLY looking for a new venue. I have contacted several museums here in town to see if they could offer some space, but they are already maxed out. An ideal place would be an old warehouse that is LOCKABLE to keep tramps/Methheads from breaking in and robbing the place. But serious amounts of publicity and pleading have done no good.
Think about WHY that is. Think about what you are asking.
Unless I'm mistaken, you want someone to DONATE a large secure space for storage of your stuff for an indefinite time.
They are stacked here because that is the ONLY place I have to put them! The garage if full, everything is full!!! Upstairs too! (though that is all manuals, something like 15 THOUSAND manuals! I have more Ham Manuals than the Library of COngress!!!!
Why did you acquire so many, yet not acquire adequate space and storage for them in the process?
Why aren't they on sturdy shelves, secured against falling, and not straining the ones on the bottom?
I would INDEED like to move them out, and there are a MILLION hams out there who would be TICKLED to COME AND GET THEM!!!
No, there aren't.
There are certainly some hams who would want a few units in the collection. But the sheer volume means that very few would want the whole thing, or even a part of it.
Many hams will express admiration for older rigs. But relatively few want to actually use them, particularly as a primary station. And to most hams today, anything older than about 1992 is an old rig, anything older than 1982 is a "boatanchor", and anything older than 1972 is an antique.
What often happens to large collections is that they are either junked (!!) or auctioned off at a low low price just to get rid of them. Rarely are they kept together.
But, as I said, I have incredible amounts of time and money in these and am not about to just "GIVE THEM ALL AWAY" to some RAT B*****D who would put them on Ebay and make himself a Millionaire! I haven't collected them for that.
Then eBay them yourself. Or put WA6BEN to work on it, and give him a commission for each one sold.
Why did you collect so many more than the available space could hold?
Yes, MOST DO WORK as I have meticulously restored them. Then they got stacked up.
Why weren't shelves built as they were acquired?
That is where the Heathkit SB-230 is going once it is fully updated and restored. I now have a 100% complete and operating SB-104A Line with all the accessories and now the Kilowatt amp! That all could be put on a table as an operating station. Same for many of the Hallicrafters, Drakes, WRLs, Hammarlunds, etc. etc. All is needed is a PLACE TO PUT IT and VOILA, we have a National Amateur Radio Museum with virtually all the history of Ham Radio including some that date back to the 20s. Oh yes, a 1908 Audion too!
That's great - but without a proper venue, it is NOT a "museum", it's just a collection. And when was the last time ANY of that stuff was actually on the air?
So, no I don't want these stacked up in my house, but WHERE else am I going to put them? In a storage unit? Has none of you seen the series STORAGE WARS? Wouldn't those RBs love to have the locker openned and find 1000 vintage radios inside!!!!!
As long as the rent is paid, that simply won't happen. I know folks who have had storage units for years holding audiophile gear (much more valuable per unit than ham gear) and never a problem. Because the rent is paid
The things you see on Storage Wars are units where the rent has not been paid for months, the tenant has been notified repeatedly, etc. They are defaults by the tenants.
What I see here is a classic case of not paying the "support costs" - which means proper organization and storage. The collection is allowed to grow and grow without bound, taking over living space until a crisis is reached.
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Here's another idea: Some of the rarer stuff could be DONATED to a real museum such as AWA (I've been there; it's very different situation). Such donations are TAX-DEDUCTIBLE.
73 de Jim N2EY
N1JBS
06-11-2012, 10:57 AM
The garage is full
I thought the garage was full of Black Widows.........
fixed
I guess, and this is My Humble Opinion, A mother truly worried about the safety of her child would be more inclined to worry about the two pit bulls. Just because there is more incident of pit bull on child mauling than radios on child falling. Yes, I understand the mathematics and statistics. The fact is, the pit bulls are as much of, if not more so, of a danger than the radios. Simply due to the mobility and unpredictability of the pit bulls and the static nature and inaccessibility of the radios (I presume the doors to some of the radio storage is closed). Also, the pit bulls are able to go to the child. And I don't know if anyone has ever determined what sets a pit bull off.
Just saying....
I think it's a matter of the particular dogs and their training, rather than the breed.
Pit bulls have a reputation for aggression because some folks select particularly aggressive ones and then train them to be even more aggressive. The same can be done with any breed of dog.
Looking at the pictures, it seems that the radio stuff is piled everywhere. I shudder to think what would happen if even a minor (for CA) earthquake hit.
73 de Jim, N2EY
N5YPJ
06-11-2012, 01:26 PM
My dear late uncle had a saying about getting to the point of when one's possessions began to own one instead of one owning their possessions. Less is more many times.
K9STH
06-11-2012, 03:23 PM
Looking at the photos, I see quite a number of duplicate models. This is in contrast to MHZ's assertion that, with the exception of the Heath HW-30 "Twoer" units, there are no duplicates.
Just disposing of the duplicates would reduce the hoard by at least 30-percent. The income from the sale of those units would provide funds for things like shelving, rent on a storage unit, etc.
Frankly, I cannot imagine why MHZ's employer would allow him to store so many units at work, especially since he "bad mouth's" his employer from time-to-time.
Glen, K9STH
WA6MHZ
06-11-2012, 03:29 PM
I do have a couple of SB-301s and 401s. A couple of HW-101s, but VERY LITTLE else is duplicate, Glen. I would not purposely purchase duplicates unless they were bought to harvest parts from to make one good one. That is why there are several SB series. Later, I acquired more parts to complete the scrapped SBs to make complete ones. I do believe I have an extra Hallicrafters S-38C. And I do have 2 Polycomm 2s. OH there are 6 Abbott TR-4s which were acquired for the same purpose: Making a perfect one out of several scrapped ones. With UNOBTANIUM Parts, that is often the ONLY way to restore a unit: Get another and combine the 2 to make one good one. So any duplicates are just there because of that use. I would say less than 1% of the collection is duplicates.
WA6MHZ
06-11-2012, 04:02 PM
Earthquakes are very RARE here in Southern SoCal. LA and the Bay area get all the massive quakes, but there has never been a quake that did more than sway the chandelier or rattle the dishes here in San Diego since I have been here (Since 1971). The Easter quake of 2010 did just that: Sway the chandelier. NO RADIOS fell down. Well, you can say, it COULD HAPPEN!!! Lotsa things COULD HAPPEN! A plane could fall out of the sky and crash into my house too!
K0BAM
06-11-2012, 04:03 PM
Well if it were I...
Sell every single one of those on eBay, take the money, put it in a separate account, buy one of those white suits, go to Tuscany and sit in a cafe sipping wine while watching Italian women. Leave the drama behind.
But that's just me.
Pat, if you want I'll create an inventory database for you so you can record all this stuff (including S/Ns and other details.) Just send me a list of the fields you want in it and I'll throw it together.
Well if it were I...
Sell every single one of those on eBay, take the money, put it in a separate account, buy one of those white suits, go to Tuscany and sit in a cafe sipping wine while watching Italian women. Leave the drama behind.
It would be even more enjoyable if he were to leave his wifoid behind.
WA6MHZ
06-11-2012, 05:02 PM
I CAN'T leave her!!! WHO will change the LITTERBOX????
N8CPA
06-11-2012, 05:03 PM
It would be even more enjoyable if he were to leave his wifoid behind.
Jump from the wok into Vesuvius,
because the ladies of the Appian Way
are as crazy as the ones from Cathay.
My wife, from neither of those places,
is the same way. And a man can only choose
which fire shall burn him, he cannot choose
NOT to be burned.
As the middle of 7 children with 0 brothers, 1 ex-wife, and innumerable ex-girlfriends, that is my experience.
N5YPJ
06-11-2012, 05:21 PM
It would be even more enjoyable if he were to leave his wifoid behind.
Immensely so! :p
I CAN'T leave her!!! WHO will change the LITTERBOX????
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95038
G0BXU
06-11-2012, 07:49 PM
I CAN'T leave her!!! WHO will change the LITTERBOX????
I had two cats for 16 years and apart from for a few days when we moved house they NEVER used a litter box.
Pat, can't you train the cat to go OUTSIDE for it's toilet needs?
If you did then you could pack the wifoid off to follow the baby and use the whole house for your (wierd) hobby.
I see no real answer to this saga unless you get the cojones to deal with the errant son and send him away to look after HIS family.
N4BBQ
06-11-2012, 07:52 PM
This thread, along with Pat's whining, needs to die. Sorry Pat.
WA6MHZ
06-11-2012, 09:29 PM
OK kill it. By the way, He got a great new movie that I watched last night, and really gets him ramped up. Called "ACT OF VALOR" which is really good. That is JUST what he wants to do! He wants to blaze away with automatic weapons and KILL TERRORISTS!!! Sounds good to me! I'd like to see a Congressional Medal of Honor in the house!
I would say less than 1% of the collection is duplicates.
You can say that, but the pictures say otherwise.
More important, you're avoiding the Big Point: There's simply too much, and it's not stored properly.
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One of the classic indicators of a problem is when a collection expands beyond space meant for storage into space meant for living. Filling up the basement, attic, garage, and shed is one thing, but when the living space becomes storage, something is very wrong.
73 de Jim, N2EY
OK kill it.
It's not that we're unsympathetic, Pat. It's that you want a miracle.
By the way, He got a great new movie that I watched last night, and really gets him ramped up. Called "ACT OF VALOR" which is really good. That is JUST what he wants to do! He wants to blaze away with automatic weapons and KILL TERRORISTS!!! Sounds good to me! I'd like to see a Congressional Medal of Honor in the house!
If only it were that simple....
73 de Jim, N2EY
N4BBQ
06-11-2012, 09:47 PM
OK kill it. By the way, He got a great new movie that I watched last night, and really gets him ramped up. Called "ACT OF VALOR" which is really good. That is JUST what he wants to do! He wants to blaze away with automatic weapons and KILL TERRORISTS!!! Sounds good to me! I'd like to see a Congressional Medal of Honor in the house!
Well then :
1) Get him drunk (of sorts).
2) Watch that movie.
3) Talk about SWCC and SEALS all the way to step (4).
4) Introduce him to the Navy recruiter!
5) MAKE SURE he joins up.
6) Step back and watch your son become a man.
AF6LJ
06-11-2012, 10:10 PM
OK kill it. By the way, He got a great new movie that I watched last night, and really gets him ramped up. Called "ACT OF VALOR" which is really good. That is JUST what he wants to do! He wants to blaze away with automatic weapons and KILL TERRORISTS!!! Sounds good to me! I'd like to see a Congressional Medal of Honor in the house!
I hope Ben finds something he really likes to do.
If he likes grooming dogs that can be profitable if you are really good...
Get in with the dog show crowd and all. :)
Maybe he ought to watch Edward Scissorhands for inspiration in giving dogs stylish cuts.
Maybe offer a clothing line for them, too.
"Over here we have a low-mutt dress that would make your dog the envy of the block!"
W5WPL
06-12-2012, 01:48 PM
Pat is my friend. I hope what I said to you will help in some small way.
Let this thread RIP.
IB4TL
NA0AA
06-12-2012, 06:30 PM
Well then :
1) Get him drunk (of sorts).
2) Watch that movie.
3) Talk about SWCC and SEALS all the way to step (4).
4) Introduce him to the Navy recruiter!
5) MAKE SURE he joins up.
6) Step back and watch your son become a man.
Sounds like he's good with video games, maybe drone pilot? Basically the same thing but real blood on the far end.
Ender's War anyone?
AF6LJ
06-12-2012, 06:38 PM
Sounds like he's good with video games, maybe drone pilot? Basically the same thing but real blood on the far end.
Ender's War anyone?
Killing people is big business these days.
Sad commentary on modern America.
K6CPO
06-12-2012, 08:57 PM
For those who may not be familiar with the conditions of this museum, here is a picture:
94970
They way they are stacked cannot be safe around small children. If a real permit to open to the public was applied for, I doubt approval would be granted for safety reasons.
The is also a video tour at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh200fQRDCM
Read the comment section under the video. It says a lot...
OK kill it. By the way, He got a great new movie that I watched last night, and really gets him ramped up. Called "ACT OF VALOR" which is really good. That is JUST what he wants to do! He wants to blaze away with automatic weapons and KILL TERRORISTS!!! Sounds good to me! I'd like to see a Congressional Medal of Honor in the house!
Give him this:
US Navy Enlisted Recruiting
415 PARKWAY PLAZA, STE N31
EL CAJON, CA 92020
Tel 619-440-6289
Fax 619-401-2097
So - has anything changed?
73 de Jim, N2EY
Here's an idea: Take photo's of all of the equipment, arrange them in order of age, function, or some other theme. Print a museum style book and sell it. Then, sell the equipment and manuals. It's a win-win-win. You'll get money for the book and selling the equipment as well as clean up the house and work space. Everyone would be happy except possibly, Pat. If he really wants to just "have" stuff, then he won't be happy.
Dealing with the son is another matter altogether.
WA6MHZ
06-18-2012, 07:40 PM
Selling it is NOT an option, nor is giving it away. I have too much MONEY and TIME invested in this. WHY would I just DISPOSE of what I have worked my whole life to attain and care for? I am not doing this so I can look at it. I am doing it to PRESERVE HAM RADIO HISTORY! No where else in the world can you go to see a COMPLETE collection of stuff like this. You can see bits and pieces, but not a COMPLETE COLLECTION!!! If I sold it, or ANY of it, it wouldn't be complete anymore. That is the problem with selling ANY of it (and NO there are NOT alot of duplicates!!!) Once I sold it, I would just have to go find another and buy it again, POSSIBLY for a higher price than I sold off the first unit!
The ONLY option is to move it somewhere that I have ownership and control over, and it is open to the public to come and see. As I said, I am not about to just GIVE AWAY a million dollars worth of radios!!! I am NOT generous or a PHILANTROPIST!
I'm still trying to figure who'd pay money to see the collection. Maybe that's a poll I'll start elsewhere in QRZ for fun.
Selling it is NOT an option, nor is giving it away. I have too much MONEY and TIME invested in this. WHY would I just DISPOSE of what I have worked my whole life to attain and care for?
Because that may be the only way to preserve it.
I am not doing this so I can look at it. I am doing it to PRESERVE HAM RADIO HISTORY! No where else in the world can you go to see a COMPLETE collection of stuff like this. You can see bits and pieces, but not a COMPLETE COLLECTION!!!
Have you ever been to the AWA Museum and Annex? I was there in 2004, and their display of ham gear is very extensive.
And it's a real museum, open to the public.
If I sold it, or ANY of it, it wouldn't be complete anymore. That is the problem with selling ANY of it (and NO there are NOT alot of duplicates!!!) Once I sold it, I would just have to go find another and buy it again, POSSIBLY for a higher price than I sold off the first unit!
You don't "have to". It's your choice.
The ONLY option is to move it somewhere that I have ownership and control over, and it is open to the public to come and see.
And how, exactly, is that going to happen? Who is going to give you a proper museum building, shelving, lighting, etc.?
As I said, I am not about to just GIVE AWAY a million dollars worth of radios!!! I am NOT generous or a PHILANTROPIST!
How much they are actually worth is determined by what folks are willing to pay for them. You may be really surprised by the actual prices a lot of that stuff will fetch.
A million dollars? If you really have 1000 units, they would each have to sell for an average of $1000 to reach that price. Consider that 1000 units means 100 stacks of 10 units each.
I'm not writing this to be nasty, but to help. What you have is a collection, not a museum, and it is doubtful it will ever be a museum of any kind, because of the support costs. Heck, you don't even have the resources to put the units on proper shelving!
All too often I hear sad stories of a ham who passed away, had health issues or fell on hard times, and whose collection was either tossed away or sold for pennies a pound because the family simply had to get rid of it in a short while. Or they got tired of dealing with it. Or they had no idea what it was worth.
You may think it can't happen to you - but it can.
I bet you don't even have an up-to-date inventory.
73 de Jim, N2EY
WA6MHZ
06-18-2012, 08:33 PM
No one should have to PAY to see it. In fact, we should PAY THEM to come and see it!
I'm still trying to figure who'd pay money to see the collection. Maybe that's a poll I'll start elsewhere in QRZ for fun.
The Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. is a national museum and doesn't charge an entry to the exhibits. The problem is that they have so many things in storage and not on display that it would probably be impossible for them to even accept a donation! Pat definitely has a passion for his collection. Passion is what makes life interesting. I have to congratulate him for having the level of enthusiasm and passion for what he has collected.
True, but the Smithsonian is funded...and it has real cool stuff, not just junk radios. :)
There's a broad line between enthusiasm and obsession...the former you get the better of, the latter gets the better of you.
True, but the Smithsonian is funded...and it has real cool stuff, not just junk radios. :)
There's a broad line between enthusiasm and obsession...the former you get the better of, the latter gets the better of you.
True enough. The object here would appear to channel the enthusiasm in a positive manner and remove the problems associated with an obsession. Nothing would be possible from this point without extreme enthusiasm.
WW3QB
06-18-2012, 09:35 PM
I am doing it to PRESERVE HAM RADIO HISTORY!
Preservation includes making arrangements for the collection after you are gone. If it only lasts as long as you do, there is no preservation. You have said your heirs will dump it all.
Preservation includes making arrangements for the collection after you are gone. If it only lasts as long as you do, there is no preservation. You have said your heirs will dump it all.
100% true - so the collection may actually be a way of DESTROYING all those radios.
73 de Jim, N2EY
KC8VWM
06-18-2012, 10:09 PM
Hello, my name is Charles and I used to hoard old ham radios. :)
I started asking myself if I really needed them all. Now I just maintain a choice few that I like. Basicaly, if I don't use them, what's the point in having them taking up space? Another rule I have now is if they don't actually work, and I don't fix them, it's time to get rid of them. So the good news is that everything I own, actually functions and works 100%.
Besides, there are a lot of other hams that could use the equipment I wasn't really using anyways. The way I see things is it's only good equipment if someone is actually benefiting from it. Otherwise it's all just unused antiquated junque regardless of any so called dollar value perception I may have had about them. In the reality of things, I came to the conclusion they were just hulking frames of steel that were simply taking up space.
Ahhh.. I feel much better for saying that now. :)
Besides, there are a lot of other hams that could use the equipment I wasn't really using anyways. The way I see things is it's only good equipment if someone is actually benefiting from it. Otherwise it's all just unused antiquated junque regardless of any so called dollar value perception I may have had about them.
BINGO!
73 de Jim, N2EY
Selling it is NOT an option, nor is giving it away. I have too much MONEY and TIME invested in this. WHY would I just DISPOSE of what I have worked my whole life to attain and care for? I am not doing this so I can look at it. I am doing it to PRESERVE HAM RADIO HISTORY! No where else in the world can you go to see a COMPLETE collection of stuff like this. You can see bits and pieces, but not a COMPLETE COLLECTION!!! If I sold it, or ANY of it, it wouldn't be complete anymore. That is the problem with selling ANY of it (and NO there are NOT alot of duplicates!!!) Once I sold it, I would just have to go find another and buy it again, POSSIBLY for a higher price than I sold off the first unit!
The ONLY option is to move it somewhere that I have ownership and control over, and it is open to the public to come and see. As I said, I am not about to just GIVE AWAY a million dollars worth of radios!!! I am NOT generous or a PHILANTROPIST!You know my answer to this.
Buy that vacant house next door (or close enough), invest in shelving, move the museum into new quarters. This gives a proper display to everything worthy (spares can be stored in the garage), plus space for antennas for the working vintage stations. Set up a repair facility in the basement, where rehabbing older equipment can be demonstrated... possibly for a fee from someone walking in the door with their own dysfunctional equipment.
Pat, you have a collection, and a very nice one at that. You don't have a museum, because you don't have things on display. At least, not in a 'museum' or 'gallery' layout. Take the next step. It's right there in your proverbial back yard... you've gone this far, you MUST take the next step.
Preservation includes making arrangements for the collection after you are gone. If it only lasts as long as you do, there is no preservation. You have said your heirs will dump it all.I have been privately assured from some of Pat's friends (yes, he has some) in his home radio club that arrangements have been made. The details of which I don't know, and wouldn't be mine to reveal anyway.
AF6LJ
06-19-2012, 01:01 PM
WoW this thread is still going............................................. ..
WA6MHZ
06-19-2012, 01:18 PM
I wanted it to die, but the mods won't put it outta its misery! Maybe if we stash some POLLY TICKS into it that will kill it. So WHO has Ur vote? No, NOT HIM!!! HE IS A FLAKE!!!
AF6LJ
06-19-2012, 01:27 PM
I wanted it to die, but the mods won't put it outta its misery! Maybe if we stash some POLLY TICKS into it that will kill it. So WHO has Ur vote? No, NOT HIM!!! HE IS A FLAKE!!!
A Third Party the other two are exactly the same.
If you truly want this thread to die, Pat, let's all have us a discussion regarding the TS-520S' poor dynamic range and lack of effective SSB filtering.
That ought to do it...yep...
N1JBS
06-19-2012, 01:37 PM
I wanted it to die, but the mods won't put it outta its misery! Maybe if we stash some POLLY TICKS into it that will kill it. So WHO has Ur vote? No, NOT HIM!!! HE IS A FLAKE!!!
Here ya go......How Much CB equipment do you have in the Museum??
WA6MHZ
06-19-2012, 01:44 PM
Actually, there are Several vintage CHICKENBAND units. All the Heathkit CBs ever made, plus most of the Hallicrafters and Lafayettes. There is a WRL tube chickenbander. Not many of the transistor ones, I like the tube ones. A RADIO is a RADIO, even if it IS on the Chickenband. It COULD be converted for 10 meters.
Buy that vacant house next door (or close enough), invest in shelving, move the museum into new quarters. This gives a proper display to everything worthy (spares can be stored in the garage), plus space for antennas for the working vintage stations. Set up a repair facility in the basement, where rehabbing older equipment can be demonstrated... possibly for a fee from someone walking in the door with their own dysfunctional equipment.
Pat, you have a collection, and a very nice one at that. You don't have a museum, because you don't have things on display. At least, not in a 'museum' or 'gallery' layout. Take the next step. It's right there in your proverbial back yard... you've gone this far, you MUST take the next step.
I agree 100%. What you wrote all makes perfect sense, and would solve all the problems.
Which is why it will NEVER happen.
73 de Jim, N2EY
W4HAY
06-19-2012, 03:17 PM
...plus most of the Hallicrafters and Lafayettes...
Does one of the Lafayettes look like this?
http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4865180644805002&id=0eea221f638387887eedd01e6ec815ee
If so, it's a cheapened-up version of the Hammarlund CB-23.
WA6MHZ
06-19-2012, 03:26 PM
no that is one I don't have!
K9ASE
06-19-2012, 03:51 PM
Hey Pat I've got a Heath CB-1 that would look nice with your twoers.
WA4BRL
06-19-2012, 04:31 PM
If you truly want this thread to die, Pat, let's all have us a discussion regarding the TS-520S' poor dynamic range and lack of effective SSB filtering.
Wait-what? Denigrate the wonderful TS-520? It was a wonder box compared to my Eico 753. Yes, I used my 753 extensively on SSB and CW and had a ball with it. It was a giant step up from my DX-60B and R-100A station. And yet I shudder to think of how it would fare in a Sherwood Labs or ARRL Lab report. Back then we young and poor hams simply didn't know how bad our rigs really were so we just used them to our sublime unknowing delight.
Wait-what? Denigrate the wonderful TS-520? It was a wonder box compared to my Eico 753. Yes, I used my 753 extensively on SSB and CW and had a ball with it. It was a giant step up from my DX-60B and R-100A station. And yet I shudder to think of how it would fare in a Sherwood Labs or ARRL Lab report. Back then we young and poor hams simply didn't know how bad our rigs really were so we just used them to our sublime unknowing delight.
The TS-520S is in the Sherwood list.
The reason the rig was mentioned is that there was another thread here in which a relatively-new ham demanded that all hams stay a certain number of kHz away from various "nets" on 40 meters. He uses a TS-520, and when it was pointed out that the QRM he was experiencing might be a result of his receiver's performance (IMD, filter shape factor, etc.) he grew indignant.
The '520 is indeed a decent rig - but that doesn't mean it's "just as good" as anything else.
73 de Jim, N2EY
KD4MOJ
06-19-2012, 04:52 PM
351 posts and still going....
http://kd4moj.org/images/bunny.jpg
...DOUG
KD4MOJ
If you truly want this thread to die, Pat, let's all have us a discussion regarding the TS-520S' poor dynamic range and lack of effective SSB filtering.
That ought to do it...yep...You mean the TS-520, not the TS-520S.
I agree 100%. What you wrote all makes perfect sense, and would solve all the problems.
Which is why it will NEVER happen.
73 de Jim, N2EYJim, are you saying that talking to Pat about a solution compares to talking with my (now ex) wife about a solution?
You mean the TS-520, not the TS-520S.
Check out the Sherwood list. TS-520 is there, and it's the version the poster in the other thread was using.
73 de Jim, N2EY
Jim, are you saying that talking to Pat about a solution compares to talking with my (now ex) wife about a solution?
Exactly!
I suspect that in both cases what is wanted are attention and "pity rights", not solutions.
73 de Jim, N2EY
Check out the Sherwood list. Neither is anything to get excited over.
73 de Jim, N2EYI own a 520. I've used a 520S. I don't need to check out the Sherwood list. I already know.
Exactly!
I suspect that in both cases what is wanted are attention and "pity rights", not solutions.
73 de Jim, N2EYI didn't know you knew my ex!
WA4BRL
06-19-2012, 08:22 PM
Thinking more about it, I would like to see a Sherwood Labs report on the Eico 753 receiver. At the time I considered the radio quite agreeable. I wonder about the true depths of its shortcomings (shudder, shudder).
K9STH
06-19-2012, 08:29 PM
BRL:
It might be easier to rate what is right about the Eico 753 rather than what is wrong with it! :p
Now the Eico 753 SSB transceiver is not the absolute low example of a commercially produced (well, kit) amateur radio unit. That honor goes to the Conar 400 transmitter. That transmitter chirps, turned off, put in a box, and stored in one's attic!
Glen, K9STH
Thinking more about it, I would like to see a Sherwood Labs report on the Eico 753 receiver. At the time I considered the radio quite agreeable. I wonder about the true depths of its shortcomings (shudder, shudder).
Be aware that the Sherwood tests only look at certain things (such as noise floor and BDR) and not at things like drift and IF shape factor. The 753 may turn in surprising numbers because it is a single-conversion design with relatively few stages.
Another useful info source is W1VD's BA test site. Note that some highly regarded receivers aren't all that good in certain ways (particularly 2 tone IMD)
http://www.w1vd.com/BAreceivertest.html
Nice pix, too.
W1FIF cured a lot of the 753's ills by replacing the VFO with a DDS board and display.
http://www.vintagessb.net/W1FIF.htm
73 de Jim, N2EY
WA6MHZ
06-19-2012, 08:33 PM
BRL:
It might be easier to rate what is right about the Eico 753 rather than what is wrong with it! :p
Now the Eico 753 SSB transceiver is not the absolute low example of a commercially produced (well, kit) amateur radio unit. That honor goes to the Conar 400 transmitter. That transmitter chirps, turned off, put in a box, and stored in one's attic!
Glen, K9STH
Astonishingly, the Conar 400 still goes for MORE MONEY than a good working Eico 753! I have seen many 400s at $50 and firm. I finally nailed one, and yes, it is a P.O.S. but I am not putting it on the air anyway. Now I need to score the WORST reciever ever made, the matching Conar 500 to have a matched set of the WORST of the Worst. I was outbid at WAY over $50 on Ebay for one!
K9STH
06-19-2012, 08:48 PM
Actually, the Conar 500 receiver is not that bad! Certainly better than the Hallicrafters S-38 series on the 3-amateur radio bands that it covers. The Conar 400 transmitter, on the other hand, is absolutely the worst commercial transmitter made.
If you got a Conar 400, in decent shape, for $50 then you got a bargain. A really clean one can go upwards of $100 and I have seen some go for over $200.
Glen, K9STH
AF6LJ
06-19-2012, 08:55 PM
BRL:
It might be easier to rate what is right about the Eico 753 rather than what is wrong with it! :p
Now the Eico 753 SSB transceiver is not the absolute low example of a commercially produced (well, kit) amateur radio unit. That honor goes to the Conar 400 transmitter. That transmitter chirps, turned off, put in a box, and stored in one's attic!
Glen, K9STH
That's bad Glen.
