View Full Version : Does the rest of the World have LIDS
Why do you think the DX stations, after an hour of trying to talk over morons who keep giving their callsigns while a contact is being made, start calling "QRZ anywhere but North America" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
73 AB3BK
K9STH
12-10-2003, 03:28 AM
Yes there are "lids" everywhere. South America and Central America have some, there are a number of European countries that have a fair number, some in Africa and Oceania. There don't seem to be very many in Asia, it may have to do a lot with the "culture". The "Brits" have a fair number some of whom have shown up on QRZ.com at times and caused a number of problems. Also the Australians have had a few show up on this site as well causing problems.
Glen, K9STH
XV2PS
12-10-2003, 04:44 AM
Here Glen, I caught you:D :
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There don't seem to be very many in Asia, it may have to do a lot with the "culture".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This time, you have to talk about propagation
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif <----(this is just a joke, don't get it serious)
Asia is about the farest place to the US if I am right (except poles paths), that is maybe the reason you cannot get them up to you so much.
I read in another post "QRZ anywhere but North America". For me, most of the time I "QRZ America ONLY". Still, some lids on the middle of the path jump on me. Sometimes, although I am leading the pile up, there are some big idiots who simply break with "quuuuuarrrrzeeed". Then whistle if you ignore,....
Cowards are everywhere.
Being a "Lid" usually begins with the person using the name. It proves the old saying that when you point a finger at someone, at least three fingers are still pointed back at you.
XV2PS
12-10-2003, 04:58 AM
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This is having sense of humour
I think that historically, the reason that DX stations have specified "anyone but the US" is because there have always been so many more US hams than hams from other countries.
One reason this has been so is because of the mere population and area of this country. If a DX station is working "Gray Line" propagation, he can be working US stations for 5 or 6 hours, but may only get a chance to work someone in Senagal ( for instance ) for maybe just an hour or so before the propagation changes on him.
Another very obvious reason is the relative wealth of this country. There have just been so many more people that could afford the type of station that could be used to swamp out anyone else on the frequency. Let's face it, a "full gallon" transmitter, pushing RF into a 6 element beam at 100 feet, is NOT a low cost operation!
It's true that several other countries are catching up, but we are still far ahead in the mere ability to overwhelm the DX station with U.S. calls!
People are people everywhere, and I would suspect that, proportionately, just as many hams are Lids in whatever part of the world they live. But that is just my humble opinion!
And there is my slant on it!
73 from Jim AG3Y
w5alt
12-10-2003, 08:05 PM
Having operated from outside the US, I can attest that US hams are no better nor worse as a group than any others. I've worked and heard my share of inconsiderate European and South American operators, as well as many fine operators from everywhere.
As far as calling non-US, for me, it has nothing to do with lids or not. Lots of times I just want to work someone somewhere else and the US signals just overwhelm things. I rarely call any sort of "directional" CQ, though - not even CQ DX. If I'm looking for a specific area, I find it much easier to tune around and find someone than try calling a special CQ.
73,
ai4ep
12-11-2003, 01:21 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ...well...if you want to go a " percentage ratio " of ( for example 1 out of 1000 is a lid ) the population, then the USA would have more " lids " simply by the total number of amateur radio operators in this country, compared to other countries ; some of which have no more TOTAL amateurs in their country than we have in ONE state ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif But that is not all bad news, for even though we might have one lid in 1000 operators, that is 999 GOOD operators, which definately outweigh the good from the bad. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif But then, on another foot, folks pay more attention to the ONE "lid" operator than the 999 GOOD operators. Kind of like weather forecasting, your local tv weatherperson might get the forecast right for a whole month, but the viewers only remember that ONE time he got it wrong. ....or... the cops can sit by the roadside running radar, he can let 1000 cars drive by , but he is after that ONE speeder in the group. {less than 2 weeks till Christmas } ... kd4amg http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
K9STH
12-11-2003, 01:50 AM
AMG:
Japan has more amateur radio operators in total as well as per-capita than the United States.
Glen, K9STH
ARE YOU GUYS F'ING KIDDING ME??
Look, I love my ham radio brethren around the world, and I do everything I can to foster International Goodwill, but I'm gonna tell you right now - Lidness is NOT a USA-only thing. There is a certain European country (won't say what it is, but if you work HF, you can probably guess) where horribly overdriving the audio on SSB is a kind of religion.
In many parts of the world, calling "out of turn" (loudly, and for a long time) in a DX pileup is a common practice. Some of these guys continue the loud, long calling while the DX is in QSO. I've had more than one juicy DX QSO trashed by this kind of blind, moronic calling.
Oh, we DO have our share of lids here in the Good Ol' USA. Bet on that. But to suggest that we have cornered the market is ludicrous.
I can't tell you how many times I have heard rare DX stations screaming at the Europeans to SHUT UP AND LISTEN, but the offending stations jus keep blasting away at the wrong times.
So what I'm saying is there are great ops, so-so ops, and guys who need to take a Wouff Hong "where the sun don't shine" just about everywhere in the world.
(Asians ARE very polite though....)
Out.
KI4BOO
12-11-2003, 02:23 AM
Considering nearly all Amateur Radio equipment is built there these days... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The Japanese can probably get a good HF rig at their equivalent of Wal-Mart, if the real thing hasn't infiltrated over there yet. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ke4pjw
12-11-2003, 03:43 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Dec. 09 2003,20:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In many parts of the world, calling "out of turn" (loudly, and for a long time) in a DX pileup is a common practice. Some of these guys continue the loud, long calling while the DX is in QSO. I've had more than one juicy DX QSO trashed by this kind of blind, moronic calling.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't think more true words have been spoken. I take it the person who started this thread ain't worked too many pileups. It dosen't take long to figure out lids are a world wide phenomenon.
XV2PS
12-11-2003, 04:32 AM
Actually yes, it also has something to do with culture. The same about driving, courtesy, way of eating, way of smiling, way of dieing,....
Also has to do with education.
I too must admit that Japaneses are among the most educated.
AB8RU
12-11-2003, 05:23 AM
LIDS ? try 27.285 Mhz. ( CB Ch. 19 ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KD5KUF
12-11-2003, 04:36 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AB8RU @ Dec. 11 2003,00:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LIDS ? try 27.285 Mhz. ( CB Ch. 19 ) #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That is channel 28. I think you meant 27.185. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Well, granted, Chicken Band channel 19 is the MECCA of Lid-ness. Other than the occasional Smokey Report, no meaningful communication has EVER taken place on that frequency. (See Guiness Book of World Records.) If your car breaks down, or you need directions, you had better pray to The Lord J.H.C. that your Chicken Band Radiddio has some OTHER channel it can transmit on. (Not that you are likely to find someone intelligent or civilized or willing enough to help you on another channel. I'm just saying it's DEFINITELY impossible on Channel 19.)
By the way, I should mention the time a couple of Central/South Americans deliberately QRM'ed the crap out of me during an ARRL SSB Sweepstakes. That was International Lid-ism at its finest.
I know it's very chic to paint the picture of the "Ugly American" these days, but yes, Lids are everywhere.
BRIEFING OVER.
Out.