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W4CLM
05-19-2012, 12:55 PM
As of this date, May 19, 2012 the FT-DX3000 has NOT been approved by the FCC for
sale. Once the radio has received FCC approval and pricing has been announced,
you will be advised right here on the Fox Tango Users Group.

Join us on the Fox Tango Users Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yaesu_FTdx3000_Users_Group/

(editor note: see brochure here: http://www.hamradio.com/documents/2012.5_FTDX-3000.pdf )

Yaesu's Newest Rig for 2012
HF/50 MHz 100 W Transceiver, the FTDX3000 has only one receiver, a high speed Spectrum Scope is built into the radio. When in the Auto Mode, the Spectrum Scope display is updated in real time. The 3.5-inch wide color LCD displays the operating information and the status of
the transceiver functions, with high resolution (480 x 272 dots) on the screen and The 32 bit high speed floating decimal DSP.

Best Regards
Carol Maher W4CLM
Club Admin http://www.foxtango.org

WF7A
05-19-2012, 12:58 PM
Just an FYI, Carol: Don't be surprised if this thread is moved to a more appropriate forum, possibly Amateur Radio News.

WX4O
05-19-2012, 02:32 PM
A very nice looking rig! Depending on price I may buy one outright or trade my IC-7200

K2WH
05-19-2012, 03:07 PM
Wow, an ICOM 756pro clone.

K2WH

W5ZZ
05-19-2012, 03:13 PM
Wow, an ICOM 756pro clone


Hmm, why would Kenwood want to clone a "garbage" receiver of Icom 756 series?

K7CB
05-19-2012, 03:19 PM
Hmm, why would Kenwood want to clone a "garbage" receiver of Icom 756 series?

I thought this thread was about Yaesu...not Kenwood.

K7CB
05-19-2012, 03:22 PM
Wow, an ICOM 756pro clone.

K2WH

Doesn't look anything like a 756Pro to me...although I'll agree that both Kenwood and Yaesu seem to be changing the look of their radios to be similar to Icom's current line up.

W5ZZ
05-19-2012, 03:24 PM
Sorry my mistake !

KC2SIZ
05-19-2012, 03:46 PM
A REAL S-meter...nice!

K7CB
05-19-2012, 03:46 PM
Sorry my mistake !

:cool: You could easily have been thinking about the TS-990. I'll have to make a trip up to HRO Denver when it comes out so I can see one in person.

K7CB
05-19-2012, 03:48 PM
A REAL S-meter...nice!

I think it's a "virtual" analog meter...but I do like over the typical bar graph meter.

K6OK
05-19-2012, 04:09 PM
Very nice rig! I'm wondering where this fits in the line-up... a replacement for the FT-950 or FT-2000? Looks like the FTDX3000 has a single VFO so my guess it might be a replacement for the 950? Yaesu might give the TS590 a run for its money if Yaesu prices this under $2000...

W2IBC
05-19-2012, 05:52 PM
i got to agree with the "wow 756 clone"

NL7W
05-19-2012, 07:05 PM
Wow... thanks Yaesu.

If it's nearly the performer of the FTdx-5000 on the receive side, it should be a winner.

I suspect it'll come in around $2000 to $2500. I hope anyway.

Let's hope there's no initial transmit spike -- before the alc or tgc circuit takes control.

I think it looks great!

NL7W
05-19-2012, 07:27 PM
Actually, the S-meter appears to be integrated into the color LCD display -- it's not analog. It doesn't matter much to me.

It does look good. Actually, the whole rig looks great.


A REAL S-meter...nice!

SM0O
05-19-2012, 08:24 PM
Hm, no, not impressed. Design looks borrowed to me and colour monitor small.
I was really excited about the "unvailing" of this rig, but it became kind of an anti-
climax....

As far as the specifications and do-dah-s and the fingamajiggs, most new rigs
pretty much have the same high quality, only the options differ more or less....
That is, if you dont go to the real HiEnd stuff with all inclusive like IC-7800 and similars.

Note that every new tranceiver is "first in its class", "unike", "best receiver & tranceiver", "fastest DSP" and so on.
The salespitching in the advert is no exception and makes me belive about half of if :-)

Just my quick toughts / 73 Chris

WB9QVR
05-19-2012, 08:43 PM
Very nice rig! I'm wondering where this fits in the line-up... a replacement for the FT-950 or FT-2000? Looks like the FTDX3000 has a single VFO so my guess it might be a replacement for the 950? Yaesu might give the TS590 a run for its money if Yaesu prices this under $2000...

From what I learned at the show yesterday it's not a replacement for either of them. It it designed to fill a gap in the product lineup between the FT-2000 and FTDX-5000.

KJ4VTH
05-19-2012, 10:04 PM
Looks a tiny bit like an Icom but not much. Photo for comparison:
http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/images/7600_p3.jpg

Doesn't look, to me, like a higher-end radio. Makes more sense as replacement for FT-950 but we've been told this is not the case.

W4AMP
05-19-2012, 10:05 PM
This is a YAESU. It will not look like an Icom, nor sound like an Icom. That is why hams buy them. Kenwood might as well give up. It takes them ten years to come out with a rig. The 590 is so bad might as well not even count it.

W4HUF
05-19-2012, 11:57 PM
the guys were rumoured to be saying ftdx-3000 cost once approved by the fcc be about 4500 dollars...

W6OM
05-20-2012, 01:16 AM
No thanks Yaesu, Kenwood and Icom, I'll keep my Flex 3000 which has hundreds of more features at 1/4 of the price...

Coupled with a touch screen computer I can run rings around the plastic boxes from abroad...

Cheers

Ron W6OM

N9GXA
05-20-2012, 01:20 AM
Wow, an ICOM 756pro clone.


Being late to the party is not always bad. It's a good way to eliminate what doesn't work and produce a better product.

JMO
73 - Paul - N9GXA

NZ9Y
05-20-2012, 01:28 AM
Where is it made? For that matter where is the 5000 made?

AJ4LN
05-20-2012, 01:35 AM
No thanks Yaesu, Kenwood and Icom, I'll keep my Flex 3000 which has hundreds of more features at 1/4 of the price...
The newly announced Flex Radio units (see their web site) look very interesting.

K7JBQ
05-20-2012, 01:48 AM
Given past Yaesu practice of putting replacement rigs in the "same box" (eg 757-890-900), and the single receiver, I'd say it's a good bet that this rig replaces the FT-950. Identical (within a tenth of an inch in depth, height and width the same, weight within 0.4 lb).

If so, and if it prices out in the same ballpark, it has winner written all over it.

73,
Bill


From what I learned at the show yesterday it's not a replacement for either of them. It it designed to fill a gap in the product lineup between the FT-2000 and FTDX-5000.

W4KVW
05-20-2012, 01:52 AM
Hmm, why would Kenwood want to clone a "garbage" receiver of Icom 756 series?

FYI,it's NOT a Kenwood it's a Yaesu & I'll take my ICOM 756 PROII receiver over most ANYTHING I have EVER operated.You have ZERO idea how to operate one if you think it's garbage!

K4YND
05-20-2012, 02:14 AM
Great looking machine.. Analog meter is a huge plus..The new Kenwood is going to be too expensive. If this thing comes in in the 2k range, the Icom 7410 is in trouble. The 3000 in the name scares me. If the XYL ever lets me onto the 3K field, it will be a K3/P3 combo for me.. I have the FT-950 and FT-450D. Yaesu does a good job in the radio/ per dollar catagory. I look forward to seeing one of these on the HRO bench

73
K4YND

AA8X
05-20-2012, 02:15 AM
From what I learned at the show yesterday it's not a replacement for either of them. It it designed to fill a gap in the product lineup between the FT-2000 and FTDX-5000.

With no built in power supply and no second receiver, it falls below the FT-2000. Should cost a lot less than the FT-2000.
Bob, AA8X

N7WR
05-20-2012, 03:55 AM
Rumors of a $4500 price tag seem inconsistent with the features of the radio. It would seem to me that it should fall between the FT 950 and the FT 2000 in price. IMO the FT 950 is a better radio than the TS 590 so if my pricing guess is correct it should kill whatever market there is for the TS 590 and seriously dent the IC 7410 market as well. If it comes in around $1600-$1800 and the initial reviews are good I could be interested.

KK2DOG
05-20-2012, 05:16 AM
Icom's RULE...period.

WA9SDJ
05-20-2012, 10:03 AM
No thanks Yaesu, Kenwood and Icom, I'll keep my Flex 3000 which has hundreds of more features at 1/4 of the price...

Coupled with a touch screen computer I can run rings around the plastic boxes from abroad...

Cheers

Ron W6OM

Which only runs on the world's worst operating system..

WW3ZZ
05-20-2012, 10:14 AM
I really like the Yaesu products. I'm in the neighborhood of picking up a second rig. If the price is in the $1500 - $1800 price range I will consider this new Yaesu product. If not, I will go with the FT-950. I've always heard "it's the best radio for the price". I really enjoy FT-2000 so I'm looking to stick with Yaesu.

K2WH
05-20-2012, 11:04 AM
Doesn't look anything like a 756Pro to me...although I'll agree that both Kenwood and Yaesu seem to be changing the look of their radios to be similar to Icom's current line up.


ICOM was the first to introduce an LCD screen, dual watch and virtual "S" meters to which the others are now emulating.

The other 2 have been moving in with their own screens. Your statement is confusing. You don't think it looks anything like the 756 but then you state and agree that Kenwood and Yaesu are changing the look of their radios to be similar to ICOM's. Which is it? Is it similar or not?

K2WH

N0AZZ
05-20-2012, 11:23 AM
Well as for the Flex and even it's newest 6000 they still have worst audio of any radio on the market other than the $40 Cb's. Icom which I love and have several of even the newest ones an (IC-9100, IC-2820) has fallen far behind in receiver preformance and must do some serious catchup with their flagship IC-77-7800's.

The FTDX-3000 is positioning itself to do several different things at one time. The receiver and filters are the same as the FTDX-5000 top dog but in a single receiver 100w radio. It will do several things, take the TS-590's out of the game for sure and there second mark is the base K3 it will have a better receiver and a lot more features at a lower price in a real radio setup and full size. This could be a serious challenge to Elecraft and the K3 there main line radio and profit point because everything is an add on for it.

If I had my guess they are revamping the line of there HF radios next the FTDX-4000 for the old FT-2000 using the new receivers, filters to update it. As far as pricing you have to remember the FTDX-5000 is selling for close to $4800 street prices in some areas so 2 steps down should give you an idea of where the price point is on the FTDX-3000.

One other thing of note for the first time on the Yaesu HF rigs is a FINALLY USB port that even the 5000 is lacking. It seems now that Yaesu has but one thing to offer the Ham radio market it will do all it can to dominate at least for a while. The president and owner are very capable to do just that very thing.

VE3FMC
05-20-2012, 11:32 AM
I really like the Yaesu products. I'm in the neighborhood of picking up a second rig. If the price is in the $1500 - $1800 price range I will consider this new Yaesu product. If not, I will go with the FT-950. I've always heard "it's the best radio for the price". I really enjoy FT-2000 so I'm looking to stick with Yaesu.

I have a FT-950 which I use daily and IMO it is a good buy for the money. Now I am not a contest guy, and I do not chase DX for a living. But for every day use, rag chewing, and I use it daily with digital modes it is a good solid radio.

The learning curve on it is not small, it took me some time to learn how to get the most of the menu settings on receive.

I get excellent audio reports with a Heil GM-5 mic.

My only wish for the FT-950 is, an analog S Meter (Which the FTDX-3000 has)

KC8YHW
05-20-2012, 12:35 PM
Has anyone actually operated one of these radios, or is this all idle conjecture?

There appears to be many FanBouys of all the major players, and many detractors sounds like a bunch of high school kids bragging about the family car.

Once a few are let out into the wild and reviews are written then is the time, right now you are talking up a not for sale product.

Wow look at all the free advertising..

WS4E
05-20-2012, 01:29 PM
Taking a look at this radio..the MOST interesting stuff I see about this radio is the connections on the back panel for shared RX output and IF output.

That would make it super easy to connect up a $70 softrock SDR for 192khz panadapter display much in the same way I 'modded' my FT-450 to do the same. (http://ws4e.blogspot.com/2011/07/ft-450-sdr-interface-to-softrock.html)

W9CW
05-20-2012, 02:02 PM
From what I learned at the show yesterday it's not a replacement for either of them. It it designed to fill a gap in the product lineup between the FT-2000 and FTDX-5000.

According to two upper-echelon Yaesu employees, the FTdx3000 will "eventually" replace the FT-2000, even though it only has one receiver. It is not a replacement for the FT-950. Rob Sherwood is about to publish his test data on the FT-950, and believe it or not, the receiver dynamics on the FT-950 are superior to the FT-2000.

N4BCD
05-20-2012, 02:40 PM
I drive an FT-950, using it for casual contesting & chasing DX. Having spent 2 days in Dayton & visiting the booths several times, here are my thoughts on the ride home...

Until today there wasn't a radio on the market that could meet my price / performance / ergonomics target. Until today a down converting radio, better dynamic range and good layout was out of my price range.

This year we'll see 3 serious new radios hit the market - the FT-3K, the Flex 6K, and the TS-990. Even though all three were under plexiglass while the developers finish firmware, we can assume that all three will be type accepted in the coming months. The FT-3K is at the top of my list as an affordable & attractive improvement to the FT-950. One shortcoming I saw - still no TX power knob.

A great show and an exciting time for new product offerings.

The only unfortunate thing that happened at the hamfest - someone else won the Alpha tuner at the DX banquet.

N8UMW
05-20-2012, 04:38 PM
Which only runs on the world's worst operating system..

Which one is that? Apple?

N9AMI
05-20-2012, 05:39 PM
I will definitely consider the FTDX3000 as a purchase for the house. I love the look. I dumped my flex 5K end of last year. Now with the so called innovative flex 6000 series of garbage I will never go back to flex and, I have had 3 sdr 1000s and a 5K so I would consider myself a good flex customer. ( x customer) Now they want you to pay yearly for software updates? HAHA.. There went the whole idea of flex radio. I am also interested in the 990 but I think its going to be another 10 grand rig so I would pass if thats the case. I have better things to do with my money and time.

WA9SDJ
05-20-2012, 08:24 PM
Which one is that? Apple?

Ha, your right, it's an even tie, they Apple and m$ suck equally..

VE3FMC
05-20-2012, 09:59 PM
One shortcoming I saw - still no TX power knob.




I own a FT-950 and the lack of a power control does not bother me. I simply set up the CS Menu button for the power level menu. One push of a button and then change power settings with the CLAR/VFO dial.

If Yaesu sets the rig up to enable that option then I have no issues with that.

N1QEH
05-20-2012, 11:17 PM
Hello My name is AL.Williams and call is N1QEH
I am a faithful fan of Yaesu I have all Yaesu rigs I have always like the design of them and how they are set up FACT BUT the FT DX 3000 well I don't like to speak bad but that radio reminds me of an old AM/FM desk radio sorry I would not have one in my shack the design team really needs to go back to the drawing board with that one :confused:

N9WW
05-20-2012, 11:22 PM
I was looking for a backup rig to my K3 SDR and maybe the FTDX3000 will fit the bill. The new Flex 6000 Series looks nice but if they want to charge for updates, I think I'll pass. (I wonder if they figured out the keyer latency issue with the new 6000 or is it a SSB only rig :-) ).

K8WHB
05-20-2012, 11:37 PM
You HAVE to see that Flex 6000 in person to really appreciate it. I was stunned by both the construction of the radio and what it will do. Had a long discussion with one of the Flex engineers where he went over in quite a bit of detail of the design concept and how it was executed. Also (but I think not immediately) Flex will have a receive-only version available as well (the way that radio's hardware is constructed looks like it makes doing a receive only version actually quite easy).

To answer another question that was posted, the Flex radios are, like Elecraft, DZKit and Ten-Tec, made in the good ole USA (in the case of Flex, in Texas).

I personally don't own a Flex right now (though I know numerous folks that do, both 3000s and 5000s) but after using the Kachina 505DSP I have, which in some ways was the grandfather of the Flex, I'm convinced digital signal processing is the way to go. With the 6000, Flex puts the digital right at the antenna connector on RX and the only thing between the digital & the antenna jack on the TX side is the PA (and I'm still waiting for someone to come out with a commercial transmitter that does Class H at 100W - Gates is doing it with commercial AM BCB transmitters at 50KW, but for many 100s of kilobucks).

W4AMP
05-21-2012, 12:33 AM
Nothing has flexibility for connections like the new Kenwood ts990. It has a black sheet of paper on the back, you just plug anything you want into it. : )

I have a FTDX5000MP, and I don't think any rig mentioned in this thread can compete with that model.

KB5UBI
05-21-2012, 12:36 AM
I presently own a FT-920 and a FT-950 so those are what I will use as a comparison. The 920 was easy to use with all the knobs; the menu items were secondary. The 950's receiver is already 2 S units stronger than 100 watts will support. I can copy stations 100% that can't even hear 100 watts. Other than the spectral display, the IF out and the USB interface, I do not see what the FT-3000 has to offer over the FT-950. In fact, the FT-3000's front panel is a step backwards with too many knobs wasted for the DSP adjustments. The DSP controls on the FT-950 are simple and very effective. Yes, there is a learning curve for the 950 and will be for the 3000. For example, I have found two ways on the 950 to use a separate receive antenna and the 950's DSP works flawlessly if you know how to use it.

In review, the FT-3000's spectral display and IF out are a plus, but the rest is a step backwards.

If Yaesu wants to improve an under two thousand dollar rig, add a 500 watt final, a 50 cent IF OUT jack and a real balanced mic input to the 950.

KM6CQ
05-21-2012, 03:08 AM
Flex has some the very best audio I have ever heard on HF. It seems as if they understand a few things.
I use PWR SDR/IF with my panadapter. It works very well.

Dan

N9WW
05-21-2012, 04:08 AM
Flex has some the very best audio I have ever heard on HF. It seems as if they understand a few things.
I use PWR SDR/IF with my panadapter. It works very well.

Dan

They may do audio well (if being 6+khz wide is considered "good audio"), but not CW.
Jim

KB2NHW
05-21-2012, 04:54 AM
Wow!!! Its the Icom IC-718 Deluxe!!!

Thats what it looks like to me. By initial looks alone in the only picture ive seen, id pay about $900 for an FT-3000.

Looks cheapish.

ZL1NZ
05-21-2012, 09:15 AM
Why does the FCC have to approve this radio for sale? Or is that only for lower level licensees? I would have thought US hams, at least the higher level licences, could design and build their own gear. Just curious.

KT1F
05-21-2012, 10:53 AM
Why does the FCC have to approve this radio for sale? Or is that only for lower level licensees? I would have thought US hams, at least the higher level licences, could design and build their own gear. Just curious.

Anyone with any level license can do homebrew here but the FCC imposes emission specs on equipment that is commercially sold.

Edit: After a bit of reading, I'm not really sure if HF transceivers really require certification or just power amplifiers.

W7ARX
05-21-2012, 03:05 PM
Frankly, I find some of the older radios just as "functional" and with HRD or IF Stage SDR you can make your own band scope which is much easier to see....I prefer having some functions external to the radio front panel for real time receive audio evaluation (i.e. width, shift, contour, etc.) vs menus. Adding more eye candy does do much for me....

If the numbers are really stellar, then perhaps, but I bet they aren't....

One think I cannot understand about the major radio manufacturers:

1. Standardize the mic jacks and preamp voltages.
2. Standardize the headphone and key jacks to be the same size (i.e. 1/4 inch vs mini plug).
3. Standardize the Amp Keying jacks (RCA vs DIN Plug, etc.)
4. Why not have true stereo receive in your headsets like the dual watch on the FT-1000 series.
5. Stanardize Up/Down on the radio (i.e. you get to your band, hit up/down and the radio steps up the band (or down) a preset amount on khz, vs using memories or twirling the knob.

The basic list goes on. Instead, they add lots of knobs you never use, eye candy that really doesn't tell you much, etc.

I would like to see HF Radios with OPTIONAL antenna tuners. At 3K and up, who is going to take theirs portable, mobile, field day, etc.?
Adds weight and heat to the radio, not to mention cost. Would like to see a separate Band Scope "monitor" option instead of automatically placing a tiny display on the radio just to add "attractiveness".

Will see what the jury says on this unit as well as the Kenwood....


GL to all...

K0RO
05-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Many seem to knock the rig down, price-point, due to lack of two receivers.

That does not mean it doesn't have dual-watch capability. Icom has had that with the 756 Pro and 7600 for years with a single receiver.

I see this as competing against the IC-7600, but with a receiver nearly as good as that in the FTDX5000, which would come in really handy for contests and other crowded band conditions. The up-conversion and 3khz roofing filter in the 7600 cannot compete with the 5000, the Orion II, the K3 or even the TS-590s when it comes to handling strong signals on a crowded band without creating mixing products that can be heard.

So I am expecting a list price in the mid $3,000 range, with a street price around $3,000. If Yaesu has also gotten rid of the power spike on transmit and the tendency to create clicks, it'll be a contender when someone is looking at an IC-7600. I don't expect it to be a $1500 to $2000 rig, and don't think it should be. A single-RX but equipped K3 is about $3,000, and I expect that is where, or a bit below, this will be.

Funny how people dog it on looks, etc. Might not be for everyone, but the real key will be how good the RX is (and the FTDX5000 is good) and how clean the transmit is.

73
Art, K0RO

M5FRA
05-21-2012, 03:35 PM
A very nice looking rig! Depending on price I may buy one outright or trade my IC-7200

Before you do look at the TS-590S, I traded my 7200 for one.

KA5KKT
05-21-2012, 04:55 PM
I haven't read all of the thread. Given it's 9 MHz IF Output, the FTDX-3000 ought to work well with N8LP's LP-Pan module. This allows output of panadaptor features to a computer via the IF Out from some radios. Check it out at telepostinc.com. Larry Phipps has done some good work with the LP-Pan. Software from Pete, F5VNB is currently working well. That software is named, NaP3.

K8WHB
05-21-2012, 06:18 PM
Even a non-licensed person can construct a transmitter - they just can't put it on the air. The only thing a non-ham is forbidden to construct specifically in the FCC rules is a stand-alone power amplifier.

The FCC does have spurious emisson specs that all radio transmitters must meet (even home-brew ones - though we home brewers "self certify" our gear), plus the Part 15 broadband spurious emission rules. In addition, any radio that has any kind of a scanning feature (and nearly all amateur receivers for at least 2 decades have had at least a memory scan feature) is subject to the constraints of the Telecom Act of 1996 that prohibited scanning receivers that could receive cellular telephone transmissions, so the manufacturers have to certify that the radios do not receive that range nor can they be easily modified to receive in that range.

One thing that is much different than decades ago is that the testing is NOT done by the FCC itself any more. The manufacturers have to get the testing done by a 3rd party testing lab, which has to be on the FCC's approved testing lab list, then submit the data to the FCC for review. The FCC can then come back and ask for additional data if the OET is not satisfied (I went through that routine a couple of times while I was at Mitsubishi). Most of those labs are up to their eyeballs in work (remember, they not only test ham gear but every TV, cell phone, computer peripheral, you name it that uses RF frequencies has to undergo testing). One of the most fun things about being a manufacturer is trying to schedule production of prototypes, get the testing lined up, get all the data in the format the FCC wants and all the other "grunt" work it takes to get a piece of equipment to market. You've heard that old joke "The job ain't done 'till the paperwork is finished"? It is SOOOO true when dealing with the government, including the FCC.

W7ARX
05-21-2012, 06:45 PM
I can tell you from experience, with my older FT-1000MPMK5, with two receivers, in Dual Watch even on the same frequency on both VFOs, the receive capability far beats what I had in the IC-756PRO, FT-2000 and even the K3 (single receiver also). I can hear much better as I have diversity reception and one being analog and the other digital allows me to hear totally differently, weak signals that I could not pull out with either of the aforementioned radios. That isn't to say they aren't good receivers, or good in crowded band conditions (with the exception of the 2000), but for weak signal work, having real time manual adjustable controls vs menu driven, made the difference for me in hearing weak, buried signals.

A better antenna system however, is the key.

K6OK
05-21-2012, 07:11 PM
Many seem to knock the rig down, price-point, due to lack of two receivers... So I am expecting a list price in the mid $3,000 range, with a street price around $3,000... I don't expect it to be a $1500 to $2000 rig, and don't think it should be.

Your well-reasoned post raised good points supporting your $3000 prediction, but you didn't mention the Kenwood TS-590. If one thinks the TS-990 will be positioned in the market against the FTDX-5000, then one would think Yaesu needs a midrange rig to counter the TS-590 with something of similar performance and price. I don't believe the FT-950 is that rig as the rcvr numbers are just not there. Perhaps Yaesu is willing to take fewer sales of the FTDX3000 and fatter margins at $3k and cede the $1600 bracket to Kenwood... ultimately I see the FTDX3000 as a TS-590 plus an LCD spectrum scope, and thus ought to be in the low $2k range if Yaesu wants a lot of midrange sales in this economy. But what do I know? :-) 73 Jim K6OK

NL7W
05-21-2012, 07:31 PM
I'm with you, Jim. All along I've been thinking this new FTdx-3000 will come in between $2000 and $2500... maybe $2700 on the top end. The economy won't support much higher, IMHO.


Your well-reasoned post raised good points supporting your $3000 prediction, but you didn't mention the Kenwood TS-590. If one thinks the TS-990 will be positioned in the market against the FTDX-5000, then one would think Yaesu needs a midrange rig to counter the TS-590 with something of similar performance and price. I don't believe the FT-950 is that rig as the rcvr numbers are just not there. Perhaps Yaesu is willing to take fewer sales of the FTDX3000 and fatter margins at $3k and cede the $1600 bracket to Kenwood... ultimately I see the FTDX3000 as a TS-590 plus an LCD spectrum scope, and thus ought to be in the low $2k range if Yaesu wants a lot of midrange sales in this economy. But what do I know? :-) 73 Jim K6OK

WD9IDV
05-21-2012, 08:58 PM
Yaesu use to make a radio that felt pretty nice. Nice VFO's and knobs and quality case.
There last offerings of the 950 and the Ft-2000 feel cheap and plastic feeling. Quality of build was a disappointment to me.

If the new FT-3000 is built cheaply, I will stay away.

:(

W3RXO
05-21-2012, 09:55 PM
With all the hubbub over the "new" TS990, now this. To me, this is a far better looking radio, than the TS990, but, really, did we NEED another Yaesu HF rig? Geez, it seems to me, that we have a glut of low, mid and top tier HF/6M rigs, was there really a need, for another rig in this class? It reminds me of the IC 7600. Maybe not like the 200W rigs, but, come on Yaesu, this type of rig is already being made. How about something innovative?
Personally, between me, and my circle of radio friends, we have come to the conclusion, that a FAR better idea, would be something more like an old FT736, but with modern accoutrements. Let the buyer pick his bands, from a choice of 10M, 6M, 2M, 1.25M, 70CM, 33CM, 23CM or 13CM, for their all mode rig. Or, how about a modern version of a TM742 Kenwood, maybe even with all mode capability. Maybe even make an all mode version of the FT8900. I can think of dozens of rigs, that the hobby could use, more than another version of the TS2000 (minus 2M, 70Cm and 23CM), or an IC7410, or, or, or, or.....
Sure, I obviously have an affinity for VHF/UHF and up, all mode rigs. I'll stipulate to that. But, geez, there are none, anymore. There hasn't been an all mode 220, since the IC375A. Heck, there hasn't been a truly NEW 220 rig, from the Japanese big three, for a generation.
Personally, I believe we are going to lose the rest of 220, if we don't start using it, more. In major metro areas, like L.A., Dallas, and MANY others, there is no available pair, to put up a new two meter, and often 70CM repeater, if a newer guy wants one. Sadly, someone has to darn near die, and not will his coordination, to someone else, in order to put up a repeater. 222, seems to me, to be the solution. But, none of the big 3 major manufacturers, are making any mobiles or bases. Sure, you have Alinco and Jetstream, but that's pretty much it. And, NO base rigs, nor all mode rigs. The last decent, all mode dual/tri-bander, was the IC910.
I think a FT736 styled radio, would be wonderful, if a buyer could choose his/her band modules. have the ability to choose 3, or 4 bands, for your rig, and work SSB, or satellite, from a rig, where VHF/UHF and up, is not an afterthought.....Now, that would be a hit, and if they incorporated modern technology, it would be an outstanding rig, for those who like the world above 50mhz.
I don't mean to sound negative. Even with this rig, and the TS990, I see very little in the way of innovation, coming out of Japan. Maybe, we could talk Elecraft, TenTec and/or Flex, into doing something like I suggest? But, I would guess not. The Japanese don't seem to care much, for the VHF/UHF and up, weak signal crowd.
Believe me. I do not mean to slam the new rig. I would guess, like any other rig, it will have it's share of fans and detractors, and will likely be a nice rig. Just like the TS990, I just do not see it filling a void, in the market, except, to add a brand name, to a copy of another manufacturer's rig.
(IC7410/TS590/TS990)
I Must admit, though, that I do like the look, and prefer the display, on this depiction, over anything else I have seen out of Asia, in, like, FOREVER. Nice display. Sorry, but this one, like the 990, is just something else, to make me YAAAAWN!!!

K8WHB
05-21-2012, 10:57 PM
How about something innovative? Personally, between me, and my circle of radio friends, we have come to the conclusion, that a FAR better idea, would be something more like an old FT736, but with modern accoutrements. Let the buyer pick his bands, from a choice of 10M, 6M, 2M, 1.25M, 70CM, 33CM, 23CM or 13CM, for their all mode rig.

I think a FT736 styled radio, would be wonderful, if a buyer could choose his/her band modules. have the ability to choose 3, or 4 bands, for your rig, and work SSB, or satellite, from a rig, where VHF/UHF and up, is not an afterthought.....Now, that would be a hit, and if they incorporated modern technology, it would be an outstanding rig, for those who like the world above 50mhz. <snip>

I don't mean to sound negative. Even with this rig, and the TS990, I see very little in the way of innovation, coming out of Japan. Maybe, we could talk Elecraft, TenTec and/or Flex, into doing something like I suggest? But, I would guess not. The Japanese don't seem to care much, for the VHF/UHF and up, weak signal crowd.

Dan,
I feel your pain. After being out of ham radio for 28 years when I got back in I looked to see if something like the FT-736 was still around and was dismayed by what I found. All kinds of "DC to daylight" mobiles (FT-897, IC-7000, etc.) and even the little FT-817 QRP rig (such a unit could never have been built before the advent of SMD) but alas only 2 desktop models that even came close - the TS-2000 & the IC-9100 (the FT-847 had just been discontinued). The price of the Icom is WAY over the top (at least I think so) and the TS-2000 has too many limitations.

The idea of a modular "pick your band" radio really strikes my fancy; and it could be either like the IC-736 or even the IC-900 type form factor with the module stack. For now it appears I'll have to assemble my own with some DEM or Elecraft transverters behind the Kachina or my TS-430S.

K8WHB
05-21-2012, 10:58 PM
How about something innovative? Personally, between me, and my circle of radio friends, we have come to the conclusion, that a FAR better idea, would be something more like an old FT736, but with modern accoutrements. Let the buyer pick his bands, from a choice of 10M, 6M, 2M, 1.25M, 70CM, 33CM, 23CM or 13CM, for their all mode rig.

I think a FT736 styled radio, would be wonderful, if a buyer could choose his/her band modules. have the ability to choose 3, or 4 bands, for your rig, and work SSB, or satellite, from a rig, where VHF/UHF and up, is not an afterthought.....Now, that would be a hit, and if they incorporated modern technology, it would be an outstanding rig, for those who like the world above 50mhz. <snip>

I don't mean to sound negative. Even with this rig, and the TS990, I see very little in the way of innovation, coming out of Japan. Maybe, we could talk Elecraft, TenTec and/or Flex, into doing something like I suggest? But, I would guess not. The Japanese don't seem to care much, for the VHF/UHF and up, weak signal crowd.

Dan,
I feel your pain. After being out of ham radio for 28 years when I got back in I looked to see if something like the FT-736 was still around and was dismayed by what I found. All kinds of "DC to daylight" mobiles (FT-897, IC-7000, etc.) and even the little FT-817 QRP rig (such a unit could never have been built before the advent of SMD) but alas only 2 desktop models that even came close - the TS-2000 & the IC-9100 (the FT-847 had just been discontinued). The price of the Icom is WAY over the top (at least I think so) and the TS-2000 has too many limitations.

The idea of a modular "pick your band" radio really strikes my fancy; and it could be either like the IC-736 or even the IC-900 type form factor with the module stack. For now it appears I'll have to assemble my own with some DEM or Elecraft transverters behind the Kachina or my TS-430S.

W5DQ
05-22-2012, 12:39 AM
Nice looking rig but it appears to be a single rcvr design which would rule it out for my needs. I already have enough dual VFo rigs .... I'm in the market for a dual rcvr design at a reasonable price.

Gene W5DQ

W4ITX
05-22-2012, 12:53 AM
Nice rig but one thing that would turn me off is the fact it doesnt have a power knob,or maybe I didnt see it but if menu driven then its a big turn off for me. 73

KT0DD
05-22-2012, 01:42 AM
I didn't see a DVI port to run the display on an external monitor. The TFT is only 3.5 inches and the bandscope is pretty small. Having the ability to connect the FTDX 3000 directly to an external monitor would be the only incentive for me to sell my FT-950 with the NS3 3k roofing filter installed by AC0C. I have the DMU 2000 unit with my 950 so I can have the scope features on a larger screen.

73, Todd - KT0DD

" I love my country, but fear my government ! "

N6DPG
05-22-2012, 01:43 AM
The picture probably does not do it justice...but on first glance it looks similar to a Yaesu 450. It has many more bells and whistles...and a way bigger price!
Dan n6dpg

W1ABO
05-22-2012, 04:08 AM
The Yaesu Rep at Dayton told me $3000-$3500 available this Fall

W3RXO
05-22-2012, 04:22 AM
Whatever else I said about it, the one thing that keeps coming to mind, is, it is THE BEST LOOKING rig, I have seen, in some time. I think it's idea, is to replace the FT-950. Nice display. I love the look, but looks only go so far.
I predict that the display on this, if it comes to market, as shown, will be the favorite display, for some time to come. With the ability to see the shape of your filters, it adds a new dimension.

N1JGE
05-22-2012, 08:27 AM
The Yaesu Rep at Dayton told me $3000-$3500 available this Fall

I was thinking about one but not for that kind of money. Next time you see this guy tell him good luck.

W7ARX
05-22-2012, 11:14 AM
Whatever else I said about it, the one thing that keeps coming to mind, is, it is THE BEST LOOKING rig, I have seen, in some time. I think it's idea, is to replace the FT-950. Nice display. I love the look, but looks only go so far.
I predict that the display on this, if it comes to market, as shown, will be the favorite display, for some time to come. With the ability to see the shape of your filters, it adds a new dimension.

I think the 3000 may be a decent performer, but will have to wait and see. Hopefully a step up over the poor performance of the 950 and 2000. Lots of folks who got those (me included) were hoping for a good radio with some "features" but in a crowded band conditions, both suffer terribly. Hopefully, Y got it corrected in the 3000.

Have to admit, the Kenwood looks nice but way too busy front panel for me and the cost will be prohibitive. I think I will stick with my proven performer....

K1FBI
05-22-2012, 12:33 PM
I predict that the display on this, if it comes to market, as shown, will be the favorite display, for some time to come. With the ability to see the shape of your filters, it adds a new dimension.

No "new dimension", seeing your filter shape is what the old IC-756PRO did... nothing new here.

N8SDR
05-22-2012, 05:06 PM
No "new dimension", seeing your filter shape is what the old IC-756PRO did... nothing new here.

I'll agree, besides if you want to see what is really going on look at Flex or even better Flex's new offering that is really as they say a "Game Changer"

VE3FMC
05-22-2012, 05:29 PM
The Yaesu Rep at Dayton told me $3000-$3500 available this Fall

As much as I like my FT-950 I will not be replacing it with the FTDX-3000 if it is in that price range. I'd put my money into a K3.

As far as output controls go. I don't have an issue with my FT-950 not having that being controlled with a dial. Simply hit the CS button, power level comes up and adjust it with the CLAR/VFO dial. Hit the menu button and that is looked after. I can do that in less than 5 seconds.

K0RO
05-22-2012, 06:26 PM
Your well-reasoned post raised good points supporting your $3000 prediction, but you didn't mention the Kenwood TS-590. If one thinks the TS-990 will be positioned in the market against the FTDX-5000, then one would think Yaesu needs a midrange rig to counter the TS-590 with something of similar performance and price. I don't believe the FT-950 is that rig as the rcvr numbers are just not there. Perhaps Yaesu is willing to take fewer sales of the FTDX3000 and fatter margins at $3k and cede the $1600 bracket to Kenwood... ultimately I see the FTDX3000 as a TS-590 plus an LCD spectrum scope, and thus ought to be in the low $2k range if Yaesu wants a lot of midrange sales in this economy. But what do I know? :-) 73 Jim K6OK

Jim: Excellent point with comparison to the TS-590S, which from what I see, is a lovely rig. I was torn between a K3, TS-590S and TT Eagle, and came down on the side of the K3 due to future capabilities.

I based my price-point more on the success of the IC-7600; if the IC-7600, which seems feature-similar but with a far less robust receiver (from what we can tell) sells for $3300, I expected similar for this.

As for he TS-590S, the interesting question may not be the comparison/similarities, but the contrasts between the two radios. Will the differences persuade enough people to pay an additional $1500?

Stab in the dark: Someone looking seriously at an IC-7600 may be a different buyer than a TS-590S buyer, and one for whom appearance, TFT and such are more important. Given the looks and features (not specs) of this, I think the target buyer is someone who would already be looking at the 7600.

Thank you for labeling my post well-reasoned...but what do I know?
Art K0RO

W3RXO
05-22-2012, 06:34 PM
Sorry, I'm not familiar with that rig. My only "modern" solid state rigs, of recent years, have been an IC-7000, TS-570D and TS-480HX, plus I used a friend's IC-746 and a TS-2000, a little.
BUT, I still really like this display. I have the poster, of the HIGH-END Icom's, from QST issue, a while back, that is staring me in the face right now, and I still say, I personally like this FTdx3000 display, better than any of the ones on the 7000, 7200, 7600, 7700 and 7800.

KC2TCM
05-22-2012, 07:15 PM
I guess I'm not to the point that I need to spend $2000+ on ONE radio yet. Last two HF rigs I picked up were an 897 with the AT897 tuner for $500, and a TS480SAT for $600. It looks like a nice rig, and looking at the display at Dayton, yea... nice and sharp. I have a feeling I'll be perusing the used market for the foreseeable future, at least for HF rigs.

KD4WDG
05-22-2012, 08:37 PM
The only difference between Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu is what floor they are built on in the factory in China and the logo affixed.

KD4WDG

W9CW
05-22-2012, 09:29 PM
The only difference between Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu is what floor they are built on in the factory in China and the logo affixed.

KD4WDG

Big time... WRONG!

KD4WDG
05-22-2012, 09:50 PM
Prove it!!

You think that the same components, Mfg. in China and Twain have any different values if they are in Icom, Kenwood or Yaesu PB's are worth a 150% Increase in Base Retail Cost?

A Resistor is a Resistor Etc. Etc.

Happy to see you have the disposal Cash to spend on the HYPE!!

Cheers-N_Beers or the beverage of your choice.

73 KD4WDG

K2NCC
05-22-2012, 10:17 PM
A Resistor is a Resistor Etc. Etc.

That's like saying "a bolt is a bolt" while comparing a Honda against a Yugo.

But your point is well-taken. If only in spirit. Like cars, it's more about the price, the features and how it makes us feel, than about the quality.

If you buy any (i.e.) $1000 radio it'll be about the same as any other in the price-range.

NL7W
05-22-2012, 11:31 PM
Was thinking about one, too... but for $1000 cheaper! Not $3000 to $3500, but $2000 to $2500.

And I'm NOT a cheapskate!

Perhaps I'll keep the 850S, and buy a pan-adapter.




I was thinking about one but not for that kind of money. Next time you see this guy tell him good luck.

KE2IV
05-23-2012, 12:33 AM
Why does the FCC have to approve this radio for sale? Or is that only for lower level licensees? I would have thought US hams, at least the higher level licences, could design and build their own gear. Just curious.

The FCC has to approve (type accept) any ham rig offered for commercial sale in the US even if it's been designed by hams. As a commercial product it has to meet various spectrum quality standards etc. Any US ham can "roll his/her own" -- but if they offer for sale as a commercial product -- it has to be type accepted by the FCC.

I would assume that ZL's licensing authority's requirements are similar.

KE2IV
05-23-2012, 12:37 AM
The only difference between Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu is what floor they are built on in the factory in China and the logo affixed.

KD4WDG


I don't understand your point. So what? Many high-quality electronics products are produced in China (think Apple). Last time I checked, ham radio was still a global hobby so I would hope that gear is designed and made in many places. Competition is good -- and if the rig meets my high standards I don't care where it's made.

K2NCC
05-23-2012, 12:38 AM
...it has to be type accepted by the FCC.

Of which many radio manufacturers can do without the FCC ever seeing the radio. They have on-site facilities to self-approve radios to specs, then submit the paperwork to the FCC. Almost just a formality. Gotta love those open-book tests! 8)

W9MB
05-23-2012, 12:54 AM
I think it looks like a toy. Maybe a replacement for the FT 950. Not for me. How ANYBODY can say that this looks better than the TS-990 amazes me.

AC8EO
05-23-2012, 02:26 AM
The only difference between Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu is what floor they are built on in the factory in China and the logo affixed.

KD4WDG

The Chinese have been making stuff for over 5 thousand years. If you get something crappy, it's usually because they build it according to cheapskate USA importers specs.

N2RRA
05-23-2012, 05:58 AM
FYI,it's NOT a Kenwood it's a Yaesu & I'll take my ICOM 756 PROII receiver over most ANYTHING I have EVER operated.You have ZERO idea how to operate one if you think it's garbage!

Agree 100%!!

Just another YAESU gimmick that will disappoint.

N2RRA
05-23-2012, 06:04 AM
I am amused by all the comments on whether to purchase a transceiver or not based on looks. Does real world day to day capability not concern you? How many qso's will you get because the transceiver has a nice look about it?

Good grief folks, get your hands on some real specifications on the receiver and before you part with your hard earned cash, ask around and find some folks who judge equipment based on performance in the real world and have tested the manufacturers claims on the glossy brochure. It pays NOT to be the first and/or early adopter of any new model from any manufacturer. Folks who jumped in early with the FT-2000 got burnt, the TS-590 is not a stellar performer and Kenwood have not done anything to fix the reported issues and Icom simply bring out a new version or model to fix their reported issues.

I for one would be waiting for the test results from independent testing prior to purchase. A pretty screen or overall "good looks" is not a consideration for me. I want value for money in capability. Trinkets and eye candy don't make a transceiver great. On a crowded band full of weak and strong signals I want to be able work them all and it is a transceivers ability to let you hear these signals clearly enough to make the QSO work is what should be our number one requirement. Everything else is superfluous.

Personally I don't compare a PC based transceiver to a real world transceiver with a VFO and the usual suspects supplied on the front of the box. One is virtually restricted to the shack and not suitable for portable operation whilst a 13.8vdc traditional transceiver allows for both and offer additional choices in the flavor stakes.

YMMV....:confused:

Gary

Gary,

It's just humorous how YAESU and Kenwood fans called the ICOM's fish finders and ridiculed them. Now YAESU and Kenwood is following suit and it's now the best thing since sliced bread. Gotta take all this from where it's coming from. LOL!

N9ZP
05-23-2012, 09:18 AM
Personally I don't compare a PC based transceiver to a real world transceiver with a VFO and the usual suspects supplied on the front of the box. One is virtually restricted to the shack and not suitable for portable operation whilst a 13.8vdc traditional transceiver allows for both and offer additional choices in the flavor stakes.

YMMV....:confused:

Gary

Really? All flex radios operate on 13.8 VDC and will run with a lap top. Sounds portable to me.

N2RRA
05-23-2012, 11:27 AM
Really? All flex radios operate on 13.8 VDC and will run with a lap top. Sounds portable to me.

He maybe trying to say is "it is not as portable as your traditional radio", and it's not I agree.

* Running on battery back up your consuming a lot more battery life.
* You have more hook up time running additional cables than needed.
* Most importantly is if your laptop is infected with a virus, runs slow ,or most importantly no longer works your screwed.

* No working laptop, or P.C. "No Flex"!

73!

W7ARX
05-23-2012, 12:09 PM
For me, anyone willing to shell out $5000 or more for a radio, can have at it....frankly, haven't seen any in the past 10 years that really jump up in performance that significantly or offer that wide of options/capabilities. They all can work the DX and most can handle themselves in a contest, some a bit better then others, but for the high price tag, I can live with slightly less contest capability. Did it for years and many years ago and still had contest achievements.

All comes down to how much does it appeal to you and how much are you willing to cough up.....

All about $$....and I suppose bragging rights....

W7ARX
05-23-2012, 12:15 PM
The TS-850 has a cult following and for good reason. Look at the performance numbers and talk sometime to the tech guys at ARRL, as many have the 850 and won't part with them. Non DSP and a sharp, sharp receiver....

Pan Adapter to me is eye candy. You look on the FT_3000 display and the scale increments. About all that scope is seeing is loud stations and noise...you won't see an S-2/3 signal, you will see the noise long before you see that "opening". FOund that out with the 756PRO3, 2000 with Band Scope, etc. They are pretty much useful for displaying radio parameters but pretty much useless displaying a "real opening" where signals are not that strong. Never did understand the hype for a spectrum scope....

Can get that with a pan adapter and IF Stage S/W on a much, much larger display and much more features....

I think the 3000 will be a step up (possibly) from the 950 and more than the 450...but not a top of the line radio....

KC2SIZ
05-23-2012, 12:35 PM
I think it looks like a toy. Maybe a replacement for the FT 950. Not for me. How ANYBODY can say that this looks better than the TS-990 amazes me.

I'll be amazed if this rig comes in anywhere near the FT-950's price point.

KC8YHW
05-23-2012, 12:39 PM
All of this talk about radios that most of us can not afford, find some kit radios, to build or roll your own. I have a lot of fun building kits, try it some of the kits out there will run circles around many commercial radios.

W9CW
05-23-2012, 02:20 PM
I owned a $$$ IC-7800, and after six months of comparing it to my other rigs... some new Kenwood, Ten-Tec, and Yaesu, I sold it. The band scope was nice, as was the 2nd independent receiver, but the overall dynamics of either either independent receiver in the IC-7800 were not up to par with either of the other new rigs - each of which was significantly less costly than the IC-7800.

M6CBB
05-23-2012, 04:05 PM
Sure Not FCC approved is only an issue in the good old US of A so what about the rest of the world as this is an international site...

VE7OR
05-23-2012, 05:11 PM
Garbage sorry but the Icom 756 pro series is a great radio not sure why you could say the 756 series is garbage many who own and used the 756 will agree a great rig and to compare a Yaesu to a Icom is not fair like to hear if anyone eles agrees to my comments or disagrees.
73

W4DNR
05-23-2012, 06:34 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Life is too short for ugly radios with small displays.

Don W4DNR

K2NCC
05-23-2012, 09:33 PM
No working laptop, or P.C. "No Flex"!

If you're running (most) digital modes, you'll need a computer anyway. I prefer having the Internet handy anyway for call-sign look-ups, prop reports, etc. Sure, the Flex is useless without a computer attached, but I haven't had a radio NOT attached to the computer for nearly my entire license (about 7 years). Just recently invested in a microphone for HF!


You have more hook up time running additional cables than needed.

The Flex radio connects all it needs via 1 cable to the computer.


Most importantly is if your laptop is infected with a virus...

Stop surfing porn and downloading pirated software and you won't get viruses. No, wait, I'd lose half my income if not for spyware, so keep at it! 8)

Although the Flex 3k I have is road-rugged, I'd never go portable HF anyway, so I'm not the best witness to the cause.

K2NCC
05-23-2012, 11:13 PM
...but not CW.

I'm not sure where the "...being 6+khz wide..." comes from, but the audio width, both TX and RX, on the Flex 3k is anything between -9999 on the left to +9999 on the right.

I can reduce my RX or TX bandwidth down to 10Hz and as wide as 20K. I can see nearly 100K of waterfall. The big-brother Flex 5000, and surely the newer 6k versions, can do at least twice that.

Pretty much any size TX/RX bandwidth, and any width you want on (about any number of) filters is at your fingertips on a Flexradio.

And that's just one of a 100 great reasons to own a Flex. Having had my share of rigs, I'll never go back to anything but SDR.

Although, in all fairness, I can't speak for the audio quality as I've only used voice once on the radio. Dusty microphone here but just-in-case!

K2NCC
05-23-2012, 11:50 PM
Life is too short for ugly radios with small displays.

No doubt! 22"x2 of everything I want to know at my fingertips. (Thanks to the genius of those that make so much possible.)

Plus I like all the pretty colors. :cool:


93701

LA8NSA
05-24-2012, 07:02 PM
The Yaesu FTDX-3000 has a nostalgic look which appeals to many hams, in particular those who were young in the 1970's. Take it from me. What I want is the look and feel of the past, and underneath is today's technology. I believe that Yaesu is building the 3K upon some previous model, and the clean-cut design tells me the software/firmware is debugged accordingly. I think the model beams quality and restrained purity. Do you want to get on the air, or do you want to fiddle with buttons?

I have a FT-950. Okay. At the moment I also have an IC-7600 on my table, just for the sake of comparison. As a matter of fact indeed, I cannot wait to kick out the Icom. Honest to God.

Oh, finally I go it out.

About what the FTDX-3000 will replace, I think the FT-950 stands on the scaffold. And in the near future we will se a FTDX-4000 replacing the FT-2000. I am sorry to see the analog meter (the real thing) a thing of the past.

LA8NSA
05-29-2012, 06:03 PM
Did I take your breath away? Continue, please. What do you think about that new transceiver?

KB2NHW
05-29-2012, 11:33 PM
I still say the new 3000 looks like an Icom IC718 or a Yaesu ft747 on steroids...lol.

I guess ill have to see it in person, but it still gives me the same sinking feeling as when we went from nice heavy fly-wheel stereo tuners with wood side panels and real transformers caps and transistors, to cheap onkyo and sony and technics plastic crap with ic chips in them for amplifiers.

The old pioneers and marantz and whatnot kicked butt compared to the plastic consumer-grade garbage that came in the late 80's.

The Yaesu 3000 has that cheap consumer-stereo plastic look to it.

I think the Yaesu ft1000d will be the last heavy radio built. No more aluminum knobs and rubber around knobs etc.

Id also never pay over $1500 for any radio because no company of the big three will stand behind the product over 3-5 years. They dont even carry parts for some radios from 2 years ago, or firmware downloads. Its discusting.
They should have supply parts for at least ten years in my opinion.

W3RXO
05-29-2012, 11:51 PM
Careful, around here, some folks take exception, and call those of us who appreciate older technology, curmudgeons, and say we have no right to comment on modern technology, simply because we like boat anchors.

KB2NHW
06-02-2012, 03:38 PM
Careful, around here, some folks take exception, and call those of us who appreciate older technology, curmudgeons, and say we have no right to comment on modern technology, simply because we like boat anchors.


Pshhhh!!! I want a boat anchor with built-in DSP/Auto-Notch!!!

Theres things i like about boat anchors, and also things i like about newer radios.
The new plastic-shaft knobs stink. My old Yaesu FT-757gx2 feels much better than the newer Icom IC-718 and the Yaesu FT-450's.
Id love to see how the Yaesu FTDX9000 and Icom IC-7800 feels. Probably the same plastic cheap knobs as the cheaper radios.

But worst of all, i hate the fact that they dont support the radios that are 5 years old or more.
Thats why i cant buy a radio that i couldnt afford to re-buy in cash every 5 years.
I have to face the possibility that my throw-away radio may break down in less than 5 years and be unsupported and i will have to replace it.

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