ARRL CD "Amateur Radio Today" [Archive]

w0tdh

11-13-2003, 04:21 PM

While visiting my friend, W4OP- Dale the other day, he handed me a CD titled Amateur Radio Today es says Walter Cronkite narrates it. He had received CD from ARRL.

I went home es put CD on the computer. I was not prepared for what I saw. #It was only six es a half minutes of video, but very powerful stuff. As old as I am, a tear came to my eye. Don't know if it was just seeing es hearing Walter again or the sum of all of its parts that stirred me so much. #Whatever it was, all Hams should see this CD. Congress as well. I called ARRL es they suggested to look at URL;

http://www.arrl.org/artoday

You can down load video for free or purchase a CD.

Video has been out since this Spring per ARRL, but I was unaware of it.

Tom - K0PJG

P.S. Well done Walter es thank you.

KC8WSZ

11-18-2003, 01:17 AM

I saw this video while attending the ARRL Emergency Communication Seminar in Ft Wayne, IN this past Friday. I liked it and thought it was very well done. It is a good resource to use while giving a presentation on Ham Radio. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

kb6ssn

11-18-2003, 01:22 AM

This may actually hurt our cause more than help it. Since America has discovered what an anti-American Communist liar Cronkite is, this video may have little credibility with our populace!

KG4VLQ

11-18-2003, 03:05 AM

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KB6SSN,

Cronkite caused more damage during Vietnam than the enemy did. He depicted them as "little freedom fighters in Black PJs". Of course we were all "baby killers". I agree, anything with him on it is not worth the media it is superimposed on.

73
frank
KG4VLQ

AE6IP

11-18-2003, 05:31 AM

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Last time I checked, Walter Chronkite was still thought by the American populace to be one of the most outstanding TV news anchors in history, and has a higher credibility rating and positive recognition than almost any other American.

kb6ssn

11-18-2003, 07:54 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Nov. 17 2003,22:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb6ssn @ Nov. 17 2003,18:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This may actually hurt our cause more than help it. Since America has discovered what an anti-American Communist liar Cronkite is, this video may have little credibility with our populace![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Last time I checked, Walter Chronkite was still thought by the American populace to be one of the most outstanding TV news anchors in history, and has a higher credibility rating and positive recognition than almost any other American.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Then you have very old data. US Veterans have despised the man for decades! And ever since he came out for the UN over the US the rest of the country has come of age as well. And there is a very good documentary out named "The Father of Spin" which chronicles his reams of dis/misinformation he spewed forth upon the American public as well as how Dan Rather is using the same techniques. And his latest treatise on how the US Consitution should be abolished is quite enlightening as well. The man is just slightly left of Kruschev! A traitor and a liar! The people who say he is so trusted are the same people that claim that Hanoi Jane Fonda was woman of the year! In what country? Vietnam? LOL! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w6em

11-18-2003, 12:57 PM

Perhaps the term "baby killers" wasn't so far adrift. #After all, there were innocent people killed in 'Nam, just like there were in Iraq.

You should look further at what motivates/motivated US foreign policy to be in such conflicts in the first place. #To protect a small dictator? #To overthrow one? #Or, was/is it rooted in the almighty dollar?

Clearly, our present invasion is rooted in the financial performance of Halliburton along with the protection of Israel. #Vietnam probably had a few fiscal motivators attached to it as well.

I thank God for the presence of the media in this country, whether I agree with their perspective or not. #And that goes for Rush (on what?) Limbaugh and the radical right gestapo cadre.

Without anyone to question government decisions and report the perspective as they see it, we might as well break out the swastikas. #I respect our Constitution for what it says, and that doesn't mean necessarily, respect for elected officials. #After all, they are human, you know.
And have egos, desires to become financially secure, etc.

Perhaps you should look beyond a call to 'abolish' the Constitution. #Maybe you'd find some facts about a system that hasn't followed the Constitution for some time. #And, by that I mean our elected leadership and the Courts. #So, maybe it wasn't so far out to imply it needs changing. #The only change needed IMHO is to strictly follow it.

Walter, my friends, is no traitor; but a brilliant journalist. #We should have more like him to continue to question those in office and their policies.

What Ms. Fonda did was clearly to give aid and comfort to an enemy and to assist it in degrading and demoralizing US prisoners of war. #No argument there. #But, she's not at issue here. #Only Mr. Cronkite.

I have only seen snips of the video, but intend to get a copy.. No, maybe several copies. #Especially to give to those in local government, as they, most of all, need to see it. #At this point, they represent the greatest threat to the existence of amateur radio via their ambition to declare anything on or in private property, besides a cracker box and a few well-trimmed weeds, a public nuisance.

Lee
W6EM

kc5hqk

11-18-2003, 04:06 PM

As a US Navy Veteran and a person who does not despise Mr. Cronkite, I could not agree with w6em more on several items.

"I thank God for the presence of the media in this country, whether I agree with their perspective or not. #And that goes for Rush (on what?) Limbaugh and the radical right Gestapo cadre. #Without anyone to question government decisions and report the perspective as they see it, we might as well break out the swastikas. #I respect our Constitution for what it says, and that doesn't mean necessarily, respect for elected officials." #

I did not serve in Nam, and I have a great deal of respect for those who did. #I did however experience our government’s actions in the 1980's and the media's failure to report all of the truth, and the results that have come about since. #It has gone far to make the world a better place.

As I look back at the history of The US and my own family history (here in the US since 1703, long before it was the US) I am thankful for all the sacrifices made, not just those in my family, but also our troops, and our people. #

I am thankful that there are people like Walter, KB2GSD who have dedicated their life to making the place I live a better place, in spite of all the discontent they have to deal with, they continue to make the world better by doing the same thing my forefathers did, standing up for what they believe in.

I heard someone recently say that if your opinion cannot stand up to being challenged, then maybe you need to rethink your opinion?

My opinion is this, Walter IS one of the most respected Journalist on the air today, the American populace is not all comprised of veterans, The truth hurts especially when reported, and any means that the message gets out to the public about the volunteer work and sacrifices of the amateur radio community is making the world a better place.

Take a closer look at the whole system before bashing one of the players.

Mr. Cronkite, My Hats off to you sir, thank you for the many years of service to our nation and our people, although I may not always agree with your opinion, I am thankful you do the things you do.

I hope everyone takes the time to see the video, I personally will be sending out links to my friends, mostly verterans who are always willing to hear the truth.

w8rca

11-18-2003, 06:28 PM

Once again instead of taking this video for what it is, (to promote amateur radio) we will turn it into a forum for bashing each other for our political leanings. Give me a freakin' break, this is not or ever should have been the place for such nonsense. This is a sight to promote amateur radio. If you want to make political comment go somewhere else, where you ideas and views belong. This sight is about AMATEUR RADIO or what's left of the hobby these days......geeeeeeez

wa6itf

11-18-2003, 07:39 PM

To K0PJG:

As one of the producers of "Amateur Radio Today" -- and on behalf of my collegues / co-producers Dave Bell, W6AQ. Alan Kaul, W6RCL, Bill Baker, W1BKR, and our Video Editor Kieth Glispie, WA6TFD, please let me thank you for your very kind words. #

When Dave, Alan and this writer sat down to lunch in late 2001 to discuss the possibility of a short video explaining ham radio to the non-ham world we had no idea where it would all lead. #"Amateur Radio Today" was a true labor of love for our all-volunteer production team. #Your words, more than any others, make us know that the time we spent on this project was well worth it. #

Thank you again...

de
Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF

kb6ssn

11-18-2003, 09:33 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8rca @ Nov. 18 2003,11:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Once again instead of taking this video for what it is, (to promote amateur radio) we will turn it into a forum for bashing each other for our political leanings. Give me a freakin' break, this is not or ever should have been the place for such nonsense. This is a sight to promote amateur radio. If you want to make political comment go somewhere else, where you ideas and views belong. This sight is about AMATEUR RADIO or what's left of the hobby these days......geeeeeeez[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
So if we make a video with Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden promoting Amateur Radio then that's OK too? LOL! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I want to see the one with Billy Jeff Clinton promoting Amateur Radio! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif "I keep in contact with all of my girls via Ham Radio!" ROTFLMAO!!!

I do truly appreciate the efforts of the producers of the clip. But you might as well have chosen Joseph Goebbels to host it as Cronkite! He liked radio too! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w6em

11-18-2003, 10:23 PM

The prior post is yet another testament to the First Amendment, I suppose.

Bill, since you "had" been listening to this thread, yours and the others' efforts to put the video together are greatly appreciated by the vast majority of us.

Thanks for a Herculean effort. #Walter Cronkite was, still is, and probably will forever be the most respected television journalist, bar none. And, the best possible choice to have narrated your production. #The new guys just don't have the knack......

But, then again, here's an opportunity: Take aim on getting a high profile spokesperson in CA government licensed: #For instance, your new governor. #Just think with radios in every Hum Vee he owns, what a PR bonanza that would be!

Lee
W6EM
Bradenton, FL

kb6ssn

11-18-2003, 11:27 PM

Walter Cronkite:

"I think most newspapermen by definition have to be liberal; if they're not liberal, by my definition of it, they can hardly be good newspapermen."

Naw! There's no bias there! Just plain old down home wholesome COMMUNISM! LOL! I wouldn't trust the man to forecast the weather! The man is an anti-American Liberal Elitist! An embarassment to our nation!

AE6IP

11-18-2003, 11:34 PM

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Last time I checked, Walter Chronkite was still thought by the American populace to be one of the most outstanding TV news anchors in history, and has a higher credibility rating and positive recognition than almost any other American.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Then you have very old data. US Veterans have despised the man for decades!
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Last time I checked was late last year when he inaugurated the Herb Caen lecture series in San Francisco.

I suppose there are some US Veterans who despise Conkrite, but none of the ones I know do so. In fact, most of them respect Conkrite because CBS Evening News was careful in its reporting to respect the soldiers while decrying the failures of leadership.

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And ever since he came out for the UN over the US the rest of the country has come of age as well. And there is a very good documentary out named "The Father of Spin" which chronicles his reams of dis/misinformation he spewed forth upon the American public as well as how Dan Rather is using the same techniques.
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Ah. Black Helicopter time. Say no more.

By the way, the only documentary I'm aware of by that name is the biography of Edward L. Bernays.

I tried Google on "The Father of Spin" + Cronkite but came up only with references to Cronkite in interviews with the author of the book.

AE6IP

11-18-2003, 11:39 PM

Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF,

The video makes me uncomfortable because it echos too many of the beliefs held by amateurs that give the hobby a bad name with professionals.

That said, I would like to thank all involved in this obvious labor of love for doing it and doing their best.

seventy three

Marty, AE6Ip

kb6ssn

11-18-2003, 11:40 PM

Walter Cronkite Denounces The War
By Notra Trulock
April 9, 2003

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America’s "most trusted journalist," Walter Cronkite, has denounced Operation Iraqi Freedom and blistered the Bush administration for its "arrogance." He questioned the military’s ability to overcome Saddam Hussein and pronounced America’s future in the aftermath of the war to be "very, very dark." He also said that the smartest president he ever met was Jimmy Carter.

All these remarks came in an recent appearance before a college crowd in Madison, New Jersey. The 86-year old Cronkite unleashed his broadside against the Bush administration during a speech at Drew University. He expressed doubt that the war on Iraq would go smoothly and said the military is "always more confident than circumstances show they should be." Ironically, military spokesmen have been far more cautious in their predictions about the war than most of their counterparts in the media.

Cronkite opined that French opposition to the war "signaled something deeper, and more ominous, than a mere foreign policy disagreement. He accused Bush of "arrogance" and of trying to dictate to the French and others. He labeled the policy of a preemptive strike on Iraq "a pretty dark doctrine." He also says that he is worried that Congress has ignored the potential costs of the war and warned that "our great grandchildren’s are going to be paying for this war."

His pessimism about military operations in Iraq echoes his reporting in the aftermath of the 1968 Tet Offensive in Vietnam. Cronkite’s pronouncement of the Tet offensive as a "defeat" for us is widely credited as a turning point in American support for the war. In a famous half-hour news special, he declared that in the aftermath of Tet "it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate." Lyndon Johnson was reported to be dismayed at the prospect of losing Cronkite’s support for the war. And indeed, public support for the war dropped 25% following Cronkite’s declaration and media coverage of the offensive in general.

Cronkite admitted that the media does "tilt toward liberalism," although he denied any political partisanship. Elsewhere he has claimed that he never allowed his own "strong opinions" to color his broadcasts. But over the years, Accuracy in Media has documented Cronkite’s pronounced liberal bias. During the Cold War, Cronkite repeatedly passed on Soviet disinformation about U.S. defense policies. He pronounced the "Soviet threat" a myth and told Soviet journalists that the American people were muddled in their thinking about the Cold War.

In 1999, Cronkite came out of the closet and exposed his leftist bias. AIM reported Cronkite’s call for a world government and for the U.S. to renounce "some of its sovereignty" in pursuit of that goal. He called for a revision of the veto procedures in the United Nations Security Council to prevent the United States from blocking actions intended to move toward world government. It should be no surprise to find Cronkite echoing the far left in its support of Saddam Hussein.

AE6IP

11-18-2003, 11:45 PM

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"I think most newspapermen by definition have to be liberal; if they're not liberal, by my definition of it, they can hardly be good newspapermen."

Naw! There's no bias there! Just plain old down home wholesome COMMUNISM! LOL! I wouldn't trust the man to forecast the weather! The man is an anti-American Liberal Elitist! An embarassment to our nation![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
d00d, I got some bad news for you.

Liberal does not equal communist. Most of the founding fathers of this country were liberal, and despite the right's attempt to demonize the term, I stand proud to be counted in the same camp as Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and Benjamin Franklin.

Journalists are, by definition, not neutral. They would not be good at what they do, if they didn't have a point of view to report from. Shall we condemn Bill Buckley and the New Republic as facists since they are so clearly and proudly conservative?

Oh, and I wouldn't trust Cronkite to forecast the weather either. He's a journalist, not a meteorologist.

AE6IP

11-18-2003, 11:49 PM

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April 9, 2003
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I would guess, off the top of my head, that posting the entire article qualifies as a copyright violation. You probably don't want to do that, since you can get yourself and (given recent court rulings) QRZ into trouble that way.

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America’s "most trusted journalist," Walter Cronkite, has denounced Operation Iraqi Freedom and blistered the Bush administration for its "arrogance." He questioned the military’s ability to overcome Saddam Hussein and pronounced America’s future in the aftermath of the war to be "very, very dark." He also said that the smartest president he ever met was Jimmy Carter.
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Sounds like Uncle Walter's still as sharp as ever.

Good thing, that. We need a little skepticism in this country to counter balance the jingoism.

kb6ssn

11-19-2003, 12:25 AM

I do find it interesting that you managed to ignore the entire body of the text infavor of the opening remarks. Typical. And as far as posting material is concerned, the author is listed. That is all that is required. See AP vs Marlin Firearms for the case law on that.

And to answer the previous poster, yes, Liberalism in it's modern form is Communism. Plain and simple. The founding fathers you mention were so far to the right of modern liberalism they would not even recognize you as an American!

w6em

11-19-2003, 01:58 AM

Notra isn't Nostradamus, although he may be vying for a close second. #Having been a DOE victim myself, I can (and did) empathise with him in some respects. #But, articles like the one quoted here help to demonstrate, perhaps, an extreme desire to create substance, where there isn't much.

Walter Cronkite's perspectives on the Halliburton War and leadership attitudes seem reasonable, believable, and make sense to me. #(They just might be shared by many of us, including me).

However, his twisted logic to make it appear as though Walter Cronkite supports Saddam Hussein is particularly disturbing. #Especially in light of the fact that Trulock was once Chief of Counterintelligence for our Department of Energy. #(Responsible for gathering accurate evidence on foreign espionage directed towards DOE facilities.)

I'm sure that Walter Cronkite has no love for someone like Hussein. #Nor does France, Russia or Canada, for that matter. #More than likely, though, he's a proponent of a different approach to the situation besides the one taken by our leaders. #In fact, a rather highly decorated retired Army General (Wes Clark) happens to take exception to the Halliburton War, for the most part.

Enough is enough. #I'm outa here.

Long live amateur radio. #Even if we have to resort to clandestine QRP to get on the air.....

KD7VKR

11-19-2003, 03:20 AM

If I had a complicated machine running in a hard environment, and it was broken, I would ask the company that built it, that had the original blueprints, that maybe still had the same guys on staff that built it and knew what each valve does, I would have that company (Halliburton) in to fix the machine.
It is my understanding that the big Red, Halliburton, did build a lot of the Iraqi oil production systems. (Big Red because they make their own distinctive paint). Prove me wrong, I could be. But it pisses me off to read you blasting a well respected Oklahoma company because it suits your political bend.
KD7VKR

AE6IP

11-19-2003, 04:40 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb6ssn @ Nov. 18 2003,17:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do find it interesting that you managed to ignore the entire body of the text infavor of the opening remarks. Typical.
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I didn't want to continue the copyright violation. But if you need me to say Cronkite was right in his understanding of the meaning of the Tet fiasco and that now almost everyone recognizes that he was, I'll be happy too. The report on the failure of the first Tet offensive ranks with Murrow's reporting on McCarthy among the great feats of American journalism.

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And as far as posting material is concerned, the author is listed. That is all that is required. See AP vs Marlin Firearms for the case law on that.
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I would suggest you find yourself a lawyer who is familiar with copyright law and become familiar with fair use and the requirement to have permission before quoting an entire article. I'd hate to see you get yourself and (given recent court rulings) QRZ into trouble over such a simple thing.

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And to answer the previous poster, yes, Liberalism in it's modern form is Communism. Plain and simple.
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You need to update your boogie men. Communism is so last millenium. But in a world as simple and plain as yours, if Liberalism is the modern form of Communism, then conservatism is the modern form of fascism.

Of course neither oversimplification is true; but it is clear how easy it is to manipulate some people just by simplifying for them and demonizing differences.

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The founding fathers you mention were so far to the right of modern liberalism they would not even recognize you as an American![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Have you read Jefferson or Paine? The gentleman from Virginia would be quiet comfortable with real modern liberalism. And, he would even recognize you as an American.

w6em

11-19-2003, 05:00 AM

Let me see if I can add address your anger.

First "big red"'s primary business is oil field logging. #Geophysical mapping of wells. #The same primary business as "big blue", Schlumberger. #(pronounced slum-burr-jay). #Schlumberger is a French company, as I remember. #Both France and Russia had significant oilfield developments in Iraq. #Anyway, anything "big red" did in Iraq was many years before it absorbed Brown and Root.

Halliburton acquired Brown and Root, a broad based, consulting engineering and service contracting firm a few years ago. #B&R does refinery and general industry design, engineering and construction management. #Lots of other, large firms do also. #Bechtel, CH2-M-Hill, Black and Veatch, Bechtel, Parsons, to name just a few, just in this country alone.

Now, if you examine what's happened in the last year or so, via published accounts, "big red"'s Brown and Root division was given a HUGE contract, non-competitively to do infrastructure work in Iraq. #All such solicitations are supposed to be competitively bid, so that we taxpayers get the most for our money.

No excuse for such an award. #Other than, perhaps, its ex-CEO just happens to be our VP. #And, I'd bet that he has deferred compensation held, of course, in a 'blind trust' left over from "big red" that will rise (or fall) on "big red's" bottom line.

Too simple? #Too hard to ignore the obvious.

Oh, one last thing. #You might want to know that a certain Congressman John Dingell, the Ranking Minority Member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee wrote a rather pointed letter last month to the White House Budget director questioning why the White House itself asked for an EXTRA 2.1 Billion dollars for "big red"; above and beyond what the Corps of Engineers had asked for.

Are you still angry? #I still am, because I voted for the guys....

Dingell's Letter (http://www.house.gov/commerce_democrats/press/bolten.10.15.03.pdf)

Dingell's Latest Letter (Somewhat scary) (http://www.house.gov/commerce_democrats/press/102903.rice.ltr.pdf)

w8rca

11-19-2003, 03:14 PM

Well you folks have proved everything said in my first post was more than true. For anyone reading this string of crap from both sides of the fence, I appologize for the ever adding my name or call to it. The CD is a very good tool to promote amateur radio to the masses, use it. Thanks to the folks who spent the time to put it together, and shame on all of you who have taken it down this path of name calling and mudslinging and political crapola. I am ashamed that you felt the need to go there.

w6em

11-19-2003, 03:41 PM

Well, W8RCA, add this to your shame: #Shame on YOU for not defending the production of the CD, which, if you read all of the posts here, was viciously attacked.

So, sit by, and bash those of us who tried to point out how ludicrous the individual was to condemn the video and especially its narrator Walter Cronkite. #And its whole production team.

I'm sorry that it got to matters of national security, perhaps, but the idiot took it there by continuing to attack Walter Cronkite's person.

Now, to your "silent majority" approach. #I think you should be ashamed if none of us spoke up to defend the production of the ART video. #It's just this kind of sit still and say or do nothing behavior that you want that allows irrational claims to be assumed, by default if not countered, to be true.

Very 73.

Lee
W6EM

KF6KDA

11-19-2003, 07:26 PM

btw folks, no one has mentioned that this is a 66 meg download, those on dial up wont have fun trying to download it....

K7LAS

11-19-2003, 11:04 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6em @ Nov. 18 2003,05:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Perhaps the term "baby killers" wasn't so far adrift. #After all, there were innocent people killed in 'Nam, just like there were in Iraq.

You should look further at what motivates/motivated US foreign policy to be in such conflicts in the first place. #To protect a small dictator? #To overthrow one? #Or, was/is it rooted in the almighty dollar?

Clearly, our present invasion is rooted in the financial performance of Halliburton along with the protection of Israel. #Vietnam probably had a few fiscal motivators attached to it as well.

I thank God for the presence of the media in this country, whether I agree with their perspective or not. #And that goes for Rush (on what?) Limbaugh and the radical right gestapo cadre.

Without anyone to question government decisions and report the perspective as they see it, we might as well break out the swastikas. #I respect our Constitution for what it says, and that doesn't mean necessarily, respect for elected officials. #After all, they are human, you know.
And have egos, desires to become financially secure, etc.

Perhaps you should look beyond a call to 'abolish' the Constitution. #Maybe you'd find some facts about a system that hasn't followed the Constitution for some time. #And, by that I mean our elected leadership and the Courts. #So, maybe it wasn't so far out to imply it needs changing. #The only change needed IMHO is to strictly follow it.

Walter, my friends, is no traitor; but a brilliant journalist. #We should have more like him to continue to question those in office and their policies.

What Ms. Fonda did was clearly to give aid and comfort to an enemy and to assist it in degrading and demoralizing US prisoners of war. #No argument there. #But, she's not at issue here. #Only Mr. Cronkite.

I have only seen snips of the video, but intend to get a copy.. No, maybe several copies. #Especially to give to those in local government, as they, most of all, need to see it. #At this point, they represent the greatest threat to the existence of amateur radio via their ambition to declare anything on or in private property, besides a cracker box and a few well-trimmed weeds, a public nuisance.

Lee
W6EM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Dude, what type of medication are you taking?

As a proud member of the VRWC, I find it very interesting that you make no mention of the disaster called Bill Clintoon. #That would be a good place to start if you want to talk about the Constitution and the health of this country - don't ya think?

Cronkite = Rather = major Blather - just more slant for the left on the part of the media. #All ways has been.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KC8WSZ

11-19-2003, 11:55 PM

To the crew that put the CD together. Thank you! I believe you made the right choice of narrators to you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w6em

11-20-2003, 12:32 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K7LAS @ Nov. 19 2003,16http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dude, what type of medication are you taking?

As a proud member of the VRWC, I find it very interesting that you make no mention of the disaster called Bill Clintoon. #That would be a good place to start if you want to talk about the Constitution and the health of this country - don't ya think?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
lol Only on non-prescription aspirin.... No "Rush" here. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

And, the only thing I launder is my clothing. lol

WA9SVD

11-20-2003, 06:15 PM

What was the original topic? I can't remember. I always thought Amateur Radio was supposed to be an instrument of International Fraternity ABOVE political agendas. My mistake.
But Mr. Pasternak, thanks for making the video. (I hope that's not too political a statement.)

WA7CS

11-21-2003, 02:17 AM

I urge the QRZ.com moderator to permanently blacklist those posters that continuously stray from Amateur Radio topics.

This partisan political BS can only serve to diminish Ham radio.

It is the message that matters, not the messenger.

Carl
WA7CS
Pasco, WA

w6em

11-21-2003, 03:26 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WA7CS @ Nov. 20 2003,19:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I urge the QRZ.com moderator to permanently blacklist those posters that continuously stray from Amateur Radio topics.

This partisan political BS can only serve to diminish Ham radio.

It is the message that matters, not the messenger.

Carl
WA7CS
Pasco, WA[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I would suggest that you read the vicious attacks on the ART narrator, which should not have gone unanswered. #And, of course,were answered. #Including those references to events of current public interest.

This isn't about politics, but about defending a very high quality product and those whose expertise made it possible.

I'll try to make posting 113 totally non partisan.. #At least 108 of my others were. #And, yes, politics. #Very much a part of amateur radio today.#If ARRL didn't lobby politicians we'd have been robbed of our spectrum long before now.

Perhaps the ARRL could find a way for Public Television to air the ART video as a public service announcement. That way, lots of non-hams could see it conveniently.

I know when I hear Walter Cronkite's voice, even if I'm not watching, I'll drop what I'm doing to see what the program or subject is.

Well, I guess if the moderator wants to ban me, well, go ahead. Your call.

By the way, PM me if you want more specifics on some of the points in my postings, as they aren't BS and are well documented.

Lee
W6EM

K0RGR

11-24-2003, 04:17 AM

I think that the attacks on Cronkite, a fellow ham trying to help the hobby, are simply nonsense.

We used to have a principle in broadcasting called "the Fairness Doctrine". It required broadcasters to provide an opportunity for responsible spokespersons to rebut the partisan political rantings of anyone appearing on the air. Acting on suits brought by billionaire broadcasters, the Supreme Court threw out this doctrine, arguing that it infringed the rights of the billionaires to tell us whatever they could afford to tell us.

The immediate result was Rush Limbaugh and his copycats. These people would not be on the air if the Fairness Doctrine was still in place.

If conservatives are truly concerned about democracy and truth in this country, they should be ranting about the Fairness Doctrine.

Cronkite operated under the Fairness Doctrine during his career. Should he utter anything that might be considered partisan, the opposition party - be it Republican or Democrat - could demand equal time, and surely would have. I don't remember either party ever doing that, and I think that speaks to the fairness of Cronkite's coverage.

You may not agree with Cronkite's beliefs. You may feel that he is wrong to criticize the war in Iraq. You may feel that his fairly moderate beliefs make him unsuitable to work as a journalist. However, if you believe that he should be silenced because he does not endorse your pet crackpot theories, then you are way out of line.

Moussolini, the Italian dictator, defined fascism as the perfect marriage of governmental power with corporate power. As the influence of the billionaire's money in broadcasting continues to grow, we get ever-closer to that fascist ideal.

Here's a laugh - one of the radio talk darlings, Michael Savage, last week devoted part of his show to 'proving' that Hitler and the Nazis were liberals! The Nazis were the 'National Socialist Party' of course. So they were really liberal communists. That's right, according to Michael, the Jews were murdered by the German liberals.

And nobody could call the network and demand equal time!!!

Unlike my fellow liberals, I absolutely do not endorse any form of gun control. I believe we may need them to defend ourselves from talk-radio-inspired mobs in the future. Please pass the M-16.

Please take the time to listen to these goofballs - Limbaugh, O'reilly, Savage, etc.. Make note of the ridiculous stuff they say, then write to their advertisers. Most of them won't care, because they are peddling their own brand of snake oil or overpriced vacuum cleaners, but some of your local businesses might get upset if you object to the junk they sponsor.

Maybe you might just strike a blow for freedom!

kc2tr

11-24-2003, 06:23 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6em @ Nov. 18 2003,05:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Perhaps the term "baby killers" wasn't so far adrift. #After all, there were innocent people killed in 'Nam, just like there were in Iraq.

You should look further at what motivates/motivated US foreign policy to be in such conflicts in the first place. #To protect a small dictator? #To overthrow one? #Or, was/is it rooted in the almighty dollar?

Clearly, our present invasion is rooted in the financial performance of Halliburton along with the protection of Israel. #Vietnam probably had a few fiscal motivators attached to it as well.

I thank God for the presence of the media in this country, whether I agree with their perspective or not. #And that goes for Rush (on what?) Limbaugh and the radical right gestapo cadre.

Without anyone to question government decisions and report the perspective as they see it, we might as well break out the swastikas. #I respect our Constitution for what it says, and that doesn't mean necessarily, respect for elected officials. #After all, they are human, you know.
And have egos, desires to become financially secure, etc.

Perhaps you should look beyond a call to 'abolish' the Constitution. #Maybe you'd find some facts about a system that hasn't followed the Constitution for some time. #And, by that I mean our elected leadership and the Courts. #So, maybe it wasn't so far out to imply it needs changing. #The only change needed IMHO is to strictly follow it.

Walter, my friends, is no traitor; but a brilliant journalist. #We should have more like him to continue to question those in office and their policies.

What Ms. Fonda did was clearly to give aid and comfort to an enemy and to assist it in degrading and demoralizing US prisoners of war. #No argument there. #But, she's not at issue here. #Only Mr. Cronkite.

I have only seen snips of the video, but intend to get a copy.. No, maybe several copies. #Especially to give to those in local government, as they, most of all, need to see it. #At this point, they represent the greatest threat to the existence of amateur radio via their ambition to declare anything on or in private property, besides a cracker box and a few well-trimmed weeds, a public nuisance.

Lee
W6EM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Baby Killers? You Bet.. Especially if those "babies" shouldered an AK-47..I was in NAM. we walked through a small village looking for NVR. The villagers consisted of several old ladies, young kids around 14-18 yrs. old and NO men. They told us which way the NVR went. Then opened up on us with AK-47's..Right in the back. We lost 7 GI's, They lost everbody. Baby Killers you say? I say "You Bet".

w6em

11-26-2003, 10:25 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc2tr @ Nov. 23 2003,23:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wasn't referring to women or children who happened to be Viet Cong donning AK-47s, but merely the memories of napalm dropped on villages. #And, a massacre or two which took civilian lives.

I lost two high school friends. #One from a bullet. #The other from the effects of Agent Orange 30 years later.
And, a professor of military science who would have been an even greater leader had he survived his second trip to 'Nam.

Let's get back on the topic or shut it down.

W8AB

11-27-2003, 01:31 AM

I cannot believe all the Rush wanabees that would put down both Ham Radio and Walter Cronkite due to their bizarre right wing ideas.

These folks want America to become a one-party government and consider anyone that is not Republican to be traitors.

Long live Democracy and long live freedom, never let the weird right wing undermine your understanding of freedom of speech….

AC7QI

11-27-2003, 09:37 PM

I love amateur radio.
I liked the video.
I liked the message.
The ultimate censorship: TURN IT OFF IF IT OFFENDS YOU!
Moving on now .... back to amateur radio... back to a wider interpretation of all things neo quazi rewritten pseudo factual non history.

w8rca

11-28-2003, 02:00 PM

To AC7QI.....ahmen brother....I keep coming back to continue to read the postings on this thread and keep reading the same thing being beat to death. it is a CD to promote amateur radio, it's as simple as that. I've read statemants about "Rush" want to be's, baby killers and such for over a week. It all started with some folks trying to promote the hobby, and look where it has taken us. People seem to forget that Rush is in the radio business for one reason, to make money, and to do so he must have big ratings. If people would LISTEN to the Rushman himself, he laughs and tells people it's all abou RATINGS baby!! He is not, nor has ever been a hero, He's a TALK SHOW HOST trying to get bigger numbers than the other guy, to keep the money train rolling, after all this is AMERICA, it's usually about the money. Remember "it's the economy stupid" is not a saying to be taken lightly. Please enjoy the CD for what it is, a promotional tool for amateur radio period.

k4rjj

11-30-2003, 01:58 PM

WA9SVD

11-30-2003, 09:33 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k4rjj @ Nov. 30 2003,06:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WA7CS @ Nov. 20 2003,19:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I urge the QRZ.com moderator to permanently blacklist those posters that continuously stray from Amateur Radio topics.

This partisan political BS can only serve to diminish Ham radio.

It is the message that matters, not the messenger.

Carl
WA7CS
Pasco, WA[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
But thats what this board has become! #A well thought out post supporting a good thing soley to further and promote the #HOBBY will be brought down to a political battle in 3 reply posts or less.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Unfortunately, I concur. What WAS (or should have been) an announcement on a positive note of Amateur Radio Activity, and exposure to the public was IMMEDIATELY turned into a political arguement about the narrator, not the ART video.

OH, the ART video isn't important; it's the politics (perceived or otherwise) of the narrator that's the REAL issue.

It lessens my respect for Amateur Radio Operators, individuals, and in the whole, for this entire "discussion."
And it WILL affect how I perceive the hobby on the whole; perhaps with a little less enthusiasm or fervor; if there are those that are so quick to bring their own personal agenda into an announcement about a video to explain Amateur Radio to the public, then the hobby s truly in danger. IMHO, it should be ABOVE personal political feelings.

mau

12-01-2003, 08:04 AM

Who's Conkrite?

"Amateur Radio Today" is international.
I had to stand in line to get one of the first copies.
We've been showing it at the Amateur Radio Exhibit
station VE3JW at the Canada Science and Technology
Musuem in Ottawa. And recently, we've been showing
it at local malls with our Amateur Radio Display. At both
places, visitors show great interest. They can relate to
the "Ice Storm" and to the recent forest fires in B.C.

It's not for you, you're already a ham. It's for the new
ones to come so that we insure continuity of this great
service and hobby that is Amateur Radio.

Thanks to all those who have participated in ART.

vry 73 de ve3vig at ve3jw