Wisconsin Ham Arrested for Radio Crimes [Archive]

kd5sdi

11-16-2003, 02:13 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka1kjz @ Nov. 16 2003,09:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif7--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7EFQ @ Nov. 16 2003,06http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif7)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm really glad they got the guy, but I feel for the innocent woman involved. Sounds to me like she was harassed as if she were guilty until proven innocent. Get ready for more Nazi SS tactics brought to you by your local P.D. and John Ashcroft. ("Those who give up their liberty for a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security - Benjamin Franklin.") Now, Hang the crook, but make amends to the innocent. 73.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh here we go again, yawn...

If you don't like it here, LEAVE![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, that isn't the best suggestion. I get really sick of the
"nouveau patria" bs of telling me to leave if I disagreee. Why don't we change things rather than leave. If you ran a restaurant and some guy said he didn't like your pizza you wouldn't say that, you would ask why. Then hopefully if you were truly interested in running an establishment that was good for the local economy, and good for your bank account you might adapt to the local palatte. I don't know you, or anything about you. You might be the greatest patriot there ever was, if you are, great. Certainly, however you owe it to yourself and the rest of the country to make this the best place it can be, and it isn't done by telling somebody that you dont know, and don't know anything about, to cart their arse cause they don't think like you. It is truly impossible to please everyone, but I do believe that a workable solution can be fashioned with some effort, rather than the lazy approach of merely suggesting that everyone leave. Oh, and by the way, the founding fathers were into finding solutions to the problems at hand, which it doesn't seem most purveyors of "don't like it? leave!" are into so I think we are all well aware of who needs to leave, lazy folks that have no intention of trying to make anything better.

N8CPA

11-16-2003, 02:24 PM

If you're going to make allegations, at least spell them correctly. The phrase is "Sieg Heil, Mein Fuehrer," which translates, "Hail to Victory, My leader!"

Furthermore, the interrogation of a roommate does not constitute gestapo tactics. More than 1 person apparently lived at the suspected address. They had to determine which one was the culprit.

I'll bet she'll be more selective next time she chooses a roommate. Since his sentence, if any, will probably be light--mental defect defense, in all probability--she should sue the b@$tij for putting her in that position.

!!

KD7EFQ

11-16-2003, 02:44 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8CPA @ Nov. 16 2003,07:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you're going to make allegations, at least spell them correctly. #The phrase is "Sieg Heil, Mein Fuehrer," which translates, "Hail to Victory, My leader!"

Furthermore, the interrogation of a roommate does not constitute gestapo tactics. #More than 1 person apparently lived at the suspected address. #They had to determine which one was the culprit.

I'll bet she'll be more selective next time she chooses a roommate. #Since his sentence, if any, will probably be light--mental defect defense, in all probability--she should sue the b@$tij for putting her in that position.

!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ok, Pardon me for my Fau Pax. I'm probably not using that correctly either. but people with average common sense got the point that I was stating. His all or nothing no compromise attitude was exactly what Hitler's attitude was. ( or only compromise when it benefits him)
73, Todd

"The Rat Race is over... THE RATS WON!"

K2WH

11-16-2003, 02:57 PM

Jesus Christ! #I can't believe this posting has already turned into a debate about Hitler, and it's only the beginning of page two. #You people really bite the big one.

This is a non-event for ham radio it doesn't give ham radio a black eye anymore than the arrest of any other member of any other group. #Every group has it's jerks and members who perform illegal acts.

I guess I will get blasted now for bringing Jesus into the debate. #Why don't you guys get a life and debate the original issue. #And KD7EFQ, you need to be more tolerant of authority and people who enforce the laws of this country. They are there to protect ilk like you.

K2WH

KD7EFQ

11-16-2003, 03:12 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Nov. 16 2003,07:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jesus Christ! #I can't believe this posting has already turned into a debate about Hitler, and it's only the beginning of page two. #You people really bite the big one.

This is a non-event for ham radio it doesn't give ham radio a black eye anymore than the arrest of any other member of any other group. #Every group has it's jerks and members who perform illegal acts.

I guess I will get blasted now for bringing Jesus into the debate. #Why don't you guys get a life and debate the original issue. #And KD7EFQ, you need to be more tolerant of authority and people who enforce the laws of this country. #They are there to protect ilk like you.

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
K2WH:
It's all just a matter of perspective. And quite frankly,
I'm not the least bit interested in YOUR perspective.
I'm Outta Here!

"The Rat Race is over...THE RATS WON!" (Obviously!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

ad5td

11-16-2003, 03:13 PM

The funny thing here is, never was it mentioned that this guy was a Ham!!! This is just some loner with a computer and a police (ham?) radio. Not everyone that uses a (ham) radio is a ham. This guy is just a nutcase.

wb0iip

11-16-2003, 03:26 PM

Sorry OM, but apparently he is a HAM. A quick search of the QRZ data base reveals:

Callsign: KB9DJE Class: Tech Plus Codes: HAI USA
Name: RAJIB K MITRA
Addr1: 3225 OLD LANTERN DR
Addr2: BROOKFIELD, WI 53005
Country: USA

I agree however, that this one loser cannot seriously damage the "HAM Reputation". All groups have "losers" in them. The remaining significant majority do and will continue to make up for negative impact of this JERK!

WA9SVD

11-16-2003, 04:17 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n9zxk @ Nov. 16 2003,05:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i wonder how many more cases there are like this. sure does put a knife in the side of ham radio. the good thing is he is in jail. this hits home to me as i live 60 miles from madison. this guy must be sick or just dumb.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't think it's that bad in regards to P.R. Sure, it's a case I would rather not have happened, but the article ALSO said that Amateur Radio Operators helped track down the culprit.

AB0XT

11-16-2003, 04:17 PM

How about we lock this guy up and force him to listen to babies crying for hours on end? With intermittent say, two-minute carrier squeals mixed in - just like he jammed the radios (only louder and longer).

This young man is both a coward and a closet predator. Did I mention a type of terrorist? Anyone want to try to guess the gain on an antenna by tying him to a beam at 100 feet (so we don't irradiate ourselves while we watch from the ground) and turning on two gallons? No, that would be illegal. Just a gallon and a half on 20!

'73 from the old west...

AB0XT

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KC0PTO

11-16-2003, 04:29 PM

Just my opinion, but more harm is done to Ham Radio by the hateful and arrogant posts like those seen on this and other forums than this individual act did. #Can't we clean up our act and act like gentlemen to each other?

Just my opinion, so "Flame Away" !

kc0ebm

11-16-2003, 04:37 PM

I'm just glad that amateurs were involved in DFing and eventually fingering this PERP. #I think its time for amateur radio to clean up its own back door. #When a LID brings dishonor to the service by using his privileges to violate the law, it should be amateurs who help law enforcement bring him to justice and restore honor to the service.

KUDOS to all hams who carry the burden of enforcement.

KCØEBM

K0ZZE

11-16-2003, 04:37 PM

what a sick perverted retard. he had to share is naughty time with all that was listening,guess he was lonely http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
well god only knows he was a tech plus maybe he was pounding it out on his key too!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

n0xas

11-16-2003, 04:48 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7EFQ @ Nov. 16 2003,08:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fau Pax[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ah, so close, and yet... "faux pas", no capitalization. It's French for "false step". You're on the Internet anyway, folks... try this: Webster's (http://www.m-w.com/)

Have a great day!

73,
Dale - NØXAS

K0RGR

11-16-2003, 05:20 PM

Since the news article mentioned that the miscreant was a ham, it was nice of them to hunt down and point out another ham who helped to catch him, even though it sounds like it was not the hams that caught him.

Years ago, most communities with active repeaters had folks with good DFing gear, and regular foxhunts to test it out. I think we need to rebuild that capability, so that we can be more self-policing. The complicaton here is that the problem was on public service frequencies. Here in Minnesota and 18 other states, it is illegal to have a receiver capable of receiving public service frequencies in your car, at least without some form of permit.

I don't know what drives people to become jammers. This has to be satisfying an extremely juvenile impulse of some sort. Years ago, it was hard to have a successful repeater without drawing a few jammers, many of whom turned out to be non-hams that had somehow acquired radios. This activity appeared to go away in most places, but now, we seem to be seeing a slight upsurge in this midnless activity. We should be as prepared as possible to help eliminate these problems.

ke4pjw

11-16-2003, 06:08 PM

Here is a little more information..... (http://www.channel3000.com/news/2638726/detail.html)

Kinda suprised they were not using a convetional radio system. Never heard of someone "jamming" a trunking system. The other article made it sound as if he was following them around from channel to channel. In a way I guess he was, from their perspective.

w6th

11-16-2003, 06:08 PM

-----------------Attention---------------------------

I dislike this kind of posting on QRZ.COM.

# # # # # # # # # # # Why?

Because there must be better knowledgeable subjects we can discuss to educate our minds. Are we that bad off for conversation? Sure looks that way.

God bless America and this new generation in progress in the precious name of Jesus we pray, Amen and Amen.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # ...

n8ary

11-16-2003, 06:39 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm just glad that amateurs were involved in DFing and eventually fingering this PERP. I think its time for amateur radio to clean up its own back door. When a LID brings dishonor to the service by using his privileges to violate the law, it should be amateurs who help law enforcement bring him to justice and restore honor to the service.

KUDOS to all hams who carry the burden of enforcement.

KCØEBM [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

While I think it's pretty cool that Amateurs were involved in Direction Finding, my experience with FoxHunting tells me that DF'ing is not going to hold up in court. Unless you actually SEE the guy transmitting or can identify his voice or equipment by other evidence, I don't think there is much of a case.

I spend a lot of time around my computer and radios, but I don't jam anyone's communications. The fact he spends a lot of time alone in his room with Radios and Computers means nothing.

N8HE

11-16-2003, 07:00 PM

Looks like this is going to turn into another arguement thread. Anyways, hats off to those that done the leg work in foxhunting this guy. Sounds as if they had problems locating the transmitter after fingering the suspect. The hams, having no athority to make arrests, or searches can only do so much.Furthermore, instances like this can only make for more rigid laws of not being able to receive emergency signals, thus one more leaver in getting our scanner exemptions removed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

W5HTW

11-16-2003, 08:34 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7EFQ @ Nov. 16 2003,08:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Nov. 16 2003,07:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jesus Christ! I can't believe this posting has already turned into a debate about Hitler, and it's only the beginning of page two. You people really bite the big one.

This is a non-event for ham radio it doesn't give ham radio a black eye anymore than the arrest of any other member of any other group. Every group has it's jerks and members who perform illegal acts.

I guess I will get blasted now for bringing Jesus into the debate. Why don't you guys get a life and debate the original issue. And KD7EFQ, you need to be more tolerant of authority and people who enforce the laws of this country. They are there to protect ilk like you.

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
K2WH:
It's all just a matter of perspective. And quite frankly,
I'm not the least bit interested in YOUR perspective.
I'm Outta Here!

"The Rat Race is over...THE RATS WON!" (Obviously!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Someone said "if you don't like it, leave."

He didn't like it. He left.

Works for me.

Ed

KC9ASI

11-16-2003, 08:43 PM

Gee whiz, and I thought Madison was a quiet little town.

Thanks for the article, Matt.

William

w9ass

11-16-2003, 09:32 PM

What was the original topic again? I couldn't tell through all the boo-hooing and whining....

Feds:1 Mitra 0. That's the way the cookie crumbles, he was a dummy in the first place but no one fights John Q. Law...

73,

KC9DGM

kf4wxd

11-16-2003, 09:38 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka1kjz @ Nov. 16 2003,06:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif7--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7EFQ @ Nov. 16 2003,06http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif7)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm really glad they got the guy, but I feel for the innocent woman involved. Sounds to me like she was harassed as if she were guilty until proven innocent. Get ready for more Nazi SS tactics brought to you by your local P.D. and John Ashcroft. ("Those who give up their liberty for a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security - Benjamin Franklin.") Now, Hang the crook, but make amends to the innocent. 73.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh here we go again, yawn...

If you don't like it here, LEAVE![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No thanks, I reckon I'll stay and help make the country better by re-instituting the Constitution and the rule of law. And now, back to amateur radio...

K8CRM

11-16-2003, 09:44 PM

Let me see if I have this right! Now, from all the comments that I have read, if I don't aggree with everything the government does, I'm supposed to leave the country. WOW, I'm sure glad I've been enlightened on this. I should also leave because my spelling and grammer is not very good either! I better get down to the Kroger store and get some more boxes.
I love it here, and was hoping I would not have to leave.
Oh Well! BYE

nx6d

11-16-2003, 10:49 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6th @ Nov. 16 2003,10:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-----------------Attention---------------------------

I dislike this kind of posting on QRZ.COM.

# # # # # # # # # # # Why?

Because there must be better knowledgeable subjects we can discuss to educate our minds. Are we that bad off for conversation? Sure looks that way.

God bless America and this new generation in progress in the precious name of Jesus we pray, Amen and Amen.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # ...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you don't like the posts, then don't read them.

I choose not to read your theological rants, it's my choice.

I'm sure we all spend our days worrying whether or not Vito disapproves.

Get real.

WX7B

w6th

11-16-2003, 11:06 PM

----------------------WX7B------------------

# # # # # # #I am out of here David. It is all yours.

# # # # # # # # # # # #Gotcha

# # # # # # # # # # # # # Enjoy

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ...

kb6ssn

11-16-2003, 11:41 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7EFQ @ Nov. 16 2003,06:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm really glad they got the guy, but I feel for the innocent woman involved. Sounds to me like she was harassed as if she were guilty until proven innocent. Get ready for more Nazi SS tactics brought to you by your local P.D. and John Ashcroft. ("Those who give up their liberty for a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security - Benjamin Franklin.") Now, Hang the crook, but make amends to the innocent. 73.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
John Ashcroft had nothing to do with it. This problem started long before he came along. The Police have turned from the "Protect and Serve" roll to the private army of the legislature. They will enforce any law no matter how immoral or evil. And they will use any force including murdering you to enforce that so called law. The biggest threat we suffer in this country is from the Police! You have a much higher chance of having your life ruined by a Cop than by a criminal!

W9JCM

11-16-2003, 11:43 PM

Quote -"I'm really glad they got the guy, but I feel for the innocent woman involved. Sounds to me like she was harassed as if she were guilty until proven innocent."

I do believe that the police pulled there usual harrasment antics to get the job done. If I were the girl I would file a case against the police and city. But the police were trying to get to this jerk and they did. No I am not a police hater I have brothers that are on the job. But some depts over step the legalities and find out the hard way later in courts how they screwed up. Sometimes, the one busted walks because of it.

W5OTR

11-17-2003, 12:51 AM

The man was 45 and the girl was 21?!? Roomies or not does that seem strange?

Chris Leslie
KD5OYH

N3IVK

11-17-2003, 01:36 AM

If you ask me, it's a good story of Local Law Enforcement, City Government, Federal Government and local hams working together to find this "ham" giving our hobby a bad wrap.

Granted, it doesnt affect every ham on the planet, but for the local hams around Madison, trying to give a good impression of the hobby, it helps. Every little bit of good PR we can get, I think we should be proud of.

I lived in Madison for three years before moving to NY, I would move back in a heartbeat if I could. (job, apt...etc). #Madison is a nice city, the local hams are great.

The City of Madison and Dane County government have been good to the local ham community, I can personally attest to this. The hams have a good working relationship with the local governments, and this only makes the bond stronger. #

I posted this article with care, knowing it would be flamed...I kept it short and sweet and provided a URL to do the dirty work ;-) Thanks to those who showed positive feedback.

Anyway, #73's to all...
Matt Orr N3IVK
Oneonta,NY

kc8vjd

11-17-2003, 01:51 AM

You know, I have been a truck driver for over 15 years now and we have had a bad reputation because of a few bad apples. I consider myself to be a professional at it. Now people like this come along in the ham community and stir up trouble like this. I am trying to advance in the ranks from Tech to General to Extra and hate to see people trying to give us a bad name. I hope to see that justice is properly served in this case and he is made an example of.

n7wsb

11-17-2003, 01:51 AM

w4jnk

11-17-2003, 02:07 AM

If this guy is found guilty---I hope they take his "Ham"
ticket.

Someone needs to follow up on this.

The ACLU will probably defend this poor, miss guided, international student against the evil United States for infringing upon his "Civil Rights"---

W4JNK

WA9SVD

11-17-2003, 03:28 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w4jnk @ Nov. 16 2003,19:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If this guy is found guilty---I hope they take his "Ham"
ticket.

Someone needs to follow up on this.

The ACLU will probably defend this poor, miss guided, #international student against the evil United States for infringing upon his "Civil Rights"---

W4JNK[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
"Snivel Rights" don't extend to interfering with Police, Fire, Ambulance, or other Public Services, or anywhere else where one does not have appropriate equipment and license to operate.
Sorry, but there's NO justification for interfering with or even operating upon Police communications frequencies. It can endanger the Police Officers, and ultimately can endanger the public.
I don't think the ACLU usually bothers with such cases, as they are usually indefensible. There has yet to be a case where unlicensed transmitting on frequencies assigned to Police or other Public Services has been "allowed" as a Civil Right.

KC9AXZ

11-17-2003, 06:33 AM

I just read about this on two different websites. This whole situation is a outrage. I hope they nail this person real good. This was obviously a well though out case of intentional interference. Most large cities are moving from V/UHF radio systems, to EXPENSIVE 800 MHz trunked systems. They pay this huge sum of money to avoid these situations, among other reasons. For a person to attempt to jam on these radio systems, they have to have some degree of knowledge as to how it works. You are not going to find some little kid playing with daddy or mommy's modified ham rig doing this. To make matters worse, it had to be a licensed amateur operator. Just sickening! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Jon KC9AXZ

W0LC

11-17-2003, 01:02 PM

Amazing. A fellow posts a forum topic regarding a licensed amateur using his radio equipment (and other equipment) to jam/interfere with police frequencies and the forum turns into a chaotic mess, Hitler, God, Gestapo, etc.

I am sure QST will post much the same in their rag and on their website. They have just as much info as we do about this incident.

I think the "girl friend" probably knew about what was going on, but then again, that is for the authorities to determine.

Whatever the end result is, it did show that local amateurs and the police worked together to catch this nutzo.

It is one more reason to limit modification of equipment to only those requiring it (i.e. MARS operators). Extended frequency coverage isn't required by any amateur license I know of.

Outta here.

11-17-2003, 01:17 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Nov. 17 2003,06:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Amazing. A fellow posts a forum topic regarding a licensed amateur using his radio equipment (and other equipment) to jam/interfere with police frequencies and the forum turns into a chaotic mess, Hitler, God, Gestapo, etc.

I am sure QST will post much the same in their rag and on their website. #They have just as much info as we do about this incident.

I think the "girl friend" probably knew about what was going on, but then again, that is for the authorities to determine.

Whatever the end result is, it did show that local amateurs and the police worked together to catch this nutzo.

It is one more reason to limit modification of equipment to only those requiring it (i.e. MARS operators). #Extended frequency coverage isn't required by any amateur license I know of.

Outta here.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
My girlfriend has no concept what I am doing in my ham shack and could care less, so why should his?

Anybody who QRMs ANY public service frequency is an ahole and should pay the price. He will probably get some sort of diplomatic imunity from rich daddy in arab land somewhere.

Now we can add arabs to the list of misconstrued topics on this already off base topic.

W0LC

11-17-2003, 01:32 PM

Not sure what you might be doing in a "Ham Shack" if you aren't a "ham" (soontobeaham).

In any event; your "girlfriend" must be very understanding or totally divorced from your hobbies. #I don't care to guess.

My wife knows what I am doing in the ham shack (operating on the radio), albeit, she may not know about amateur radio technical issues, I am sure she would be able to discern my playing audio tape, video (auido) over a keyed down mike held up to the speaker. #In any event, this clown's girlfriend is a material witness and the police have every "right' to ask her some questions. It didn't say "girlfriend of 2 years, or 2 months" so it is hard to determine just how long she was in the environment there. But, she was there and they will be asking her questions I am sure.

Not sure why Mr. Ashcroft's name what thrown into the hopper in some of the other posts, but I suspect personal issues there.

Sounds more like this guy had some serious problems other then just jamming.

Have to wonder why all this stuff happens on 2 meters? #

Probably one of the many reasons I don't use it either!

Kerchunk!

KB2KAB

11-17-2003, 02:02 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif What is going on here! Ham Radio Operators,transmitting on frequencies that they do not belong on. The guy was totally WRONG! He should be punished for what he did. If someone was hurt or even killed because of this, There would be articles all over the country asking one question. HAS HAM RADIO TURNED INTO "CB". Where rules do not exist. We are all better than that. Lets bring this subject down to this, Ham radio frequecies are for Ham Radio operator's. Emergency frequencies are for, POLICE, FIRE, & EMS. THEY DO NOT COME ON OUR FREQUENCIES. NOR SHOULD WE GO ON THIER'S. The man was wrong, and now, that he was cought, should pay the price. This is a big black eye for Ham Radio. You can do one hundred things right. But just remember one thing, once you do something wrong, that is the only thing they remember. Try to see what will happen when the next emergency comes along, like a power outage, and the local radio club or A.R.E.S.goes to give a hand. I for one would like to know how they get accepted. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Remember in other countries they have taken some bands away from ham operator's. And if something like this is giong to continue, I for one would not like the F.C.C. to come and take bands away, and give them to others, like comercial radio or t.v. We don't have much! let's try to keep what we have.

kd5sdi

11-17-2003, 02:08 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Nov. 17 2003,09:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Not sure what you might be doing in a "Ham Shack" if you aren't a "ham" (soontobeaham).

In any event; your "girlfriend" must be very understanding or totally divorced from your hobbies. #I don't care to guess.

My wife knows what I am doing in the ham shack (operating on the radio), albeit, she may not know about amateur radio technical issues, I am sure she would be able to discern my playing audio tape, video (auido) over a keyed down mike held up to the speaker. #In any event, this clown's girlfriend is a material witness and the police have every "right' to ask her some questions. #It didn't say "girlfriend of 2 years, or 2 months" so it is hard to determine just how long she was in the environment there. #But, she was there and they will be asking her questions I am sure.

Not sure why Mr. Ashcroft's name what thrown into the hopper in some of the other posts, but I suspect personal issues there.

Sounds more like this guy had some serious problems other then just jamming.

Have to wonder why all this stuff happens on 2 meters? #

Probably one of the many reasons I don't use it either!

Kerchunk![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Have to wonder why some people jump to conclusions. If you had read the link a few pages back you would see that it was 800 Mhz trunked. Also he was a code op too. So, take your predjudices and cram them. You don't like two meters, don't use it; however, don't insult others who do use it and enjoy it. Also, if you don't like two meters because of some operating style or another then why don't you try and help the situation by providing a good example? My guess is that would be alot harder than typing a few lines of ignorant rambling.

W0LC

11-17-2003, 02:46 PM

SDI:

Trolling, trolling, trolling...but nevertheless....

FCC Mulls Responses to Complaints Alleging
Interference

NEWINGTON, CT, Nov 14, 2003--The FCC is considering the
explanation of a Maryland ham in the wake of complaints that he
disrupted an Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) net in
September during Hurricane Isabel. FCC Special Counsel for
Enforcement Riley Hollingsworth had written Charles E. Cox Sr,
WA3AE, on October 16, enclosing complaints alleging deliberate
interference to emergency communications that W3AAC at the Anne
Arundel County emergency operations center was conducting on the
146.805 MHz repeater in Millersville.

"The allegations, if true, raise serious questions about your qualifications
to be a Commission licensee and warrant enforcement action,"
Hollingsworth told Cox. The US Postal Service returned the FCC's
certified letter to Cox as undeliverable. Commission personnel
eventually tracked down Cox to a residence in Laurel, Maryland.

In a handwritten note, Cox told the FCC that he was on the
air--although he claims it was on the 147.105 MHz repeater in
Davidsonville--but he asserted that he was only trying to help and didn't
believe he was interfering with the emergency net.

"There is a major misunderstanding," Cox wrote the FCC. "I did not
cause deliberate interference, me being an Extra class operator and I felt
it was my duty to help during the hurricane." Cox said the situation was
being blown out of proportion and that he had done nothing wrong
intentionally. Cox also said he would change his mailing address with
the FCC.

Several complainants--two off-duty FCC employees among them--tell a
different story. They said a station identifying as WA3AE came on the
net and uttered "irrelevant comments many times," according to one net
control station, who also said that the operator was rude, "seemed
intoxicated" and used inappropriate language. Cox told the FCC he has
a speech impediment that makes him sound inebriated. The NCS contended that Cox ignored numerous
requests to keep the frequency open for emergency communications, but Cox disputes that.

Two FCC agents who happened to be monitoring the net also heard the station break into emergency
communications between the EOC and hams deployed at shelters around Anne Arundel County. The
FCC agents attempted without success to reach Cox at the telephone number in the Commission's
database. "The ham identifying as WA3AE sounded inebriated," one of the FCC agents noted.

Hollingsworth said the FCC has Cox's response to the complaints under review.

The FCC also is reviewing a response from a California licensee in another enforcement matter. On
October 15, Hollingsworth wrote Angel Carballo, KG6QKR, of Fremont enclosing a complaint alleging
interference on 2 meters during a two-hour period. The complainant told the FCC that two repeaters in
the south San Francisco Bay area "were being kerchunked." The amateur who complained said he was
able to track the source of the interfering signal to an unoccupied vehicle sitting in a corporate parking
lot. He said the transceiver appeared to be in cross-band mode, and he was able to spot the transceiver's
display blink momentarily each time the repeaters were accessed.

After the complaining amateur approached corporate security and threatened to report the incident to
the FCC, security personnel asked him to hold off while they tried to "solve the problem internally."

"A while later, they brought a guy out who walked over to the vehicle to shut off his radio," said the
complainant, whom the FCC did not identify. The FCC apparently was able to locate Carballo through
the license plate and vehicle description the complainant provided.

In an October 25 reply to the Commission, Carballo told the FCC he believes he "made a mistake in the
setup of my radios" and that he did not intend to maliciously interfere. He indicated that he had set up
his mobile transceiver as a cross-band repeater on VHF and UHF frequencies--one of them 146.94
MHz--and monitored both frequencies from a handheld transceiver in his office.

Carballo said his transceiver is not capable of transmitting on two frequencies within the same band, so
he could not explain the interference to the 146.23 machine. He also offered his apologies and asked the
FCC to extend them to the complainant as well. (FCC Enforcement Letters has tons of 2 meter "issues").

AF4K

11-17-2003, 02:50 PM

Hi KD5UJX - you are mistaken. The article DOES say
that he is a ham, and if you look him up on QRZ it gives his callsign, address and everything.

It's a pity some of the other guys on here can't be a bit more polite when they disagree, but then...
Viva La First Amendment!

C'mon guys, we are in the world's BEST fraternity and obnoxiousness is NOT a virtue (grin!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

W0LC

11-17-2003, 02:55 PM

Additionally, it isn't prejudice as you incorrectly stated. It is rationale why one chooses not to use a particular mode/band, just as some prefer not to use code.

But for additional info, and mind you, only a snippet of info:

RE: Amateur license KD5QJG
Case Number EB-2003-637
The complaint alleges deliberate interference and harassment to repeater users on W5QO, 144.650/145.25 MHz, which is functioning as an IRLP repeater.

RE: Amateur license WA3QCV
Case Number EB-2003-636
Enclosed is a complaint about the operation of your station on two Amateur repeaters, WB2IXR (147.015 MHz) and KG4IDD (145.470 MHz), linked through the Echolink system. The complaint alleges threats and obscene language.

RE: Amateur license W2KV
Case Number EB-2003-635
Enclosed is a complaint about the operation of your station on the Two Meter Amateur band. The complaint alleges deliberate interference to weak signal operation on the lower portion of that band.

RE: Conclusion of One Year Suspension: Amateur Radio Operator license KI8DI
Case# EB2002-441
On September 25, 2002, we notified you that monitoring indicated that on numerous occasions in March 2002 you had deliberately interfered with the K8CLA repeater system in Cincinnati, Ohio.

RE: Amateur license KE5KR
Case Number EB-2003-637
Enclosed is a complaint about the operation of your station on the Two Meter Amateur band. The complaint alleges deliberate interference and harassment to repeater users on W5QO, 144.650/145.25 MHz, which is functioning as an IRLP repeater.

"only the facts mam"...

n9kpn

11-17-2003, 02:56 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5oyh @ Nov. 16 2003,18:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The man was 45 and the girl was 21?!? #Roomies or not does that seem strange?

Chris Leslie
KD5OYH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
While I will not comment on a 45 to 21 age difference as being strange, I need to correct this statement. Try re-reading this story:

http://www.channel3000.com/news/2638726/detail.html

The man was 25, not 45.

WA9SVD

11-17-2003, 03:08 PM

The Wisconsin Amateur apparently was deliberately interfering with Puiblic Service frequencies, and should face the consequences, both on the local AND Federal levels. There's NO excuse or defense.

In regards to the WA3 in Maryland, if you check into a net (especially an Emergency Net) and are told to stand by, that's exactly what you should do. It's up to the Net Control to determine who handles traffic, and further unnecessary or unrequested transmissions constitute interference. The fact that the operator was an Amateur Extra Class Operator is especially damning, as he should have known better.

The Fremont CA situation sounds like it was a treemendous "OOPS!!!" situation, unintentional in nature, and since the Amateur responded with apologies, and apparently rectified the problem as soon as he was made aware, probably needs no further action, uinless the problem arises again.

K0ZZE

11-17-2003, 03:47 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w4jnk @ Nov. 16 2003,21:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If this guy is found guilty---I hope they take his "Ham"
ticket.

Someone needs to follow up on this.

The ACLU will probably defend this poor, miss guided, #international student against the evil United States for infringing upon his "Civil Rights"---

W4JNK[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
if he is a international exchange student does he even have civil rights? mitra is the last name of the doctor that my two kida used to have. he was from india and a nut case to boot. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

W0LC

11-17-2003, 04:07 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wa9svd @ Nov. 17 2003,08:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Wisconsin Amateur apparently was deliberately interfering with Puiblic Service frequencies, and should face the consequences, both on the local AND Federal levels. #There's NO excuse or defense.

# #In regards to the WA3 in Maryland, if you check into a net (especially an Emergency Net) and are told to stand by, that's exactly what you should do. #It's up to the Net Control to determine who handles traffic, and further unnecessary or unrequested transmissions constitute #interference. #The fact that the operator was an Amateur Extra Class Operator is especially damning, as he should have known better.

# #The Fremont CA situation sounds like it was a treemendous "OOPS!!!" situation, unintentional in nature, and since the Amateur responded with apologies, and apparently rectified the problem as soon as he was made aware, probably needs no further action, uinless the problem arises again.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's exactly correct!

Amazing how so many can read a brief news article, in print, and yet, there are mis-communications.
I suppose even after being married 21 years that is why the XYL and I mis-communicate and don't understand each other's intent sometimes. Hi.

In any event, the clown should be locked up. As to jamming emergency nets, everyone that I have ever encountered pretty much understands the procedure to "stand by" unless called upon. The NCS even reiterates that. With two (2) Feds having witnessed the situation first hand, he will be hard pressed to come up with a good excuse.

As to two meters in general, look over the FCC'c Enforcement Letters/Logs and you will see a growing trend on 2 meters with interference, repeater "wars", etc. It is sad indeed and that is also one reason why many don't use 2 meters in some areas, at least repeaters. The enforcement and control has for years been lax and now the Feds are putting the hammer down. About time. Hope they do it on HF as well where there are well documented and infamous fueds that have gone on for too long!

Maybe some day the FCC will be what it use to be. Enforcers of rules and regulations and the amateurs' friend, not enemy.

Oh, sorry, I was day dreaming there...

ke4pjw

11-17-2003, 04:10 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Nov. 16 2003,07:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is one more reason to limit modification of equipment to only those requiring it (i.e. MARS operators). Extended frequency coverage isn't required by any amateur license I know of.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't even know of a ham radio that can transmit in the 800Mhz band. So why would limiting modification of ham equipment make any difference in this case?

W0LC

11-17-2003, 05:35 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ke4pjw @ Nov. 17 2003,09:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Nov. 16 2003,07http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif2)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is one more reason to limit modification of equipment to only those requiring it (i.e. MARS operators). #Extended frequency coverage isn't required by any amateur license I know of.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't even know of a ham radio that can transmit in the 800Mhz band. So why would limiting modification of ham equipment make any difference in this case?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wasn't addressing any frequency in specific, but I have seen numerous reports of interference in the aviation band, etc., all from modified equipment, including transmitting in the CB band, on cordless phone bands (i.e. below 50 mhz), etc.

The issue is modification to extend transmit capability. Should be allowable in amateur equipment and why?
The use in MARS is typically just above 4 mhz, slightly above 148 mhz and below 144 mhz. I think that some mod (MARS) for those typical frequencies should be available with lock out elsewhere.

It just seems there is "too much information" on frequency tranmission outside of the amateur bands that is "too readily" available. The Wisconsin "ham" situation is only one small incident as compared to the out of band transmissions as a whole.

dseagrav

11-17-2003, 06:58 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7EFQ @ Nov. 16 2003,06:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Zeig Heil Mein - Fuhrer!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Good citizens don't complain if their freedoms are temporarily restricted to prevent terrorists from restricting their freedoms indefinetely.

n9lya

11-17-2003, 07:38 PM

The direction thread is going, gives Ham radio a Bad name in and of itsself..
I do not see how QRZ can even consider continuing to host Hams who do nothing but make asses of themselves..
I am thankful that qrz is doing their part to keep this crap off the air....

Note to original poster... Nice post thanks for info..
My responce is here in Indiana we have had two or three police officers either arrested or fired for soliciting protitutes and drugs... And in chicago IL over the weekend I heard where a Police officer was fired for robbing a bank and faces criminal charges... there are bad apples in every part of the world...

73 Jerry

AB9FH

11-17-2003, 07:40 PM

I agree with the author, it is a good story, with the right end result. I have some sympathy for the female roommate, I hope she has learned about guilt by association and being more careful about choice of roommates.

When I was at Madison, a popular t-shirt defined the place as "xxx acres surrounded by reality", and that is still so, I am sure. It is a very family friendly town: they can count the number of murders each year on one hand or less, there used to be more bikes licensed than cars, lots of artsy activities. Like many college towns there are an unusually large number of people who are used to living off the government while condemning it.

I am glad to hear the local ham(s) could help track this guy down. Whoever said that DFing wouldn't be useful in prosecuting obviously doesn't read the FCC enforcement letters. It has been a few years since I was there, but there used to be several buildings near the Capitol building with roofs covered with antennas, and the address mentioned in the article would not be too far from there. There are many large buildings in the area and it would not be the most friendly environment for tracking somebody down. Not to mention this guy moved in the middle of it. Good job shutting this guy down! He will lose his license once he is convicted, if not sooner.

Howard Parks, AB9FH
1 Peter 4:10

W0LC

11-17-2003, 08:34 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n9lya @ Nov. 17 2003,12:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The direction thread is going, gives Ham radio a Bad name in and of itsself..
I do not see how QRZ can even consider continuing to host Hams who do nothing but make asses of themselves..
I am thankful that qrz is doing their part to keep this crap off the air....

Note to original poster... Nice post thanks for info..
My responce is here in Indiana we have had two or three police officers either arrested or fired for soliciting protitutes and drugs... And in chicago IL over the weekend I heard where a Police officer was fired for robbing a bank and faces criminal charges... there are bad apples in every part of the world...

73 Jerry[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Jerry,

Have to agree also. Original post was only to provide everyone with some "heads up, check out this article". No judgement was intended, etc., yet, some of the posts slammed, flamed, broiled the poster for bringing it forward. Personally, thanks for the info. ARRL has the same information so I suppose they are wrong for bringin it forward as well(?).

Regardless if this individual used ham gear or not, he should not be allowed to continue to be licensed as an amateur radio operator since he obviously abuses the frequencies allocated to him and everyone else.

As to the roommate; regardless of whether she knew anything about what her "boyfriend" was doing, she is still a witness that can/might be able to provide the authorities with information on the incident.

Kinda like when a child is missing; they speak to both parents, not just one. Would not be much of an investigation or sloppy police work if they only addressed one parent!

Remember, wherever you go, there are you.
If you are there, you're not here. And if you are here, you aren't lost!

kd5sdi

11-17-2003, 08:57 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Nov. 17 2003,10:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Additionally, it isn't prejudice as you incorrectly stated. #It is rationale why one chooses not to use a particular mode/band, just as some prefer not to use code.

But for additional info, and mind you, only a snippet of info:

RE: Amateur license KD5QJG
Case Number EB-2003-637
The complaint alleges deliberate interference and harassment to repeater users on W5QO, 144.650/145.25 MHz, which is functioning as an IRLP repeater.

RE: Amateur license WA3QCV
Case Number EB-2003-636
Enclosed is a complaint about the operation of your station on two Amateur repeaters, WB2IXR (147.015 MHz) and KG4IDD (145.470 MHz), linked through the Echolink system. The complaint alleges threats and obscene language.

RE: Amateur license W2KV
Case Number EB-2003-635
Enclosed is a complaint about the operation of your station on the Two Meter Amateur band. The complaint alleges deliberate interference to weak signal operation on the lower portion of that band.

RE: Conclusion of One Year Suspension: Amateur Radio Operator license KI8DI
Case# EB2002-441
On September 25, 2002, we notified you that monitoring indicated that on numerous occasions in March 2002 you had deliberately interfered with the K8CLA repeater system in Cincinnati, Ohio.

RE: Amateur license KE5KR
Case Number EB-2003-637
Enclosed is a complaint about the operation of your station on the Two Meter Amateur band. The complaint alleges deliberate interference and harassment to repeater users on W5QO, 144.650/145.25 MHz, which is functioning as an IRLP repeater.

"only the facts mam"...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Only the biased facts, see you have provided less than me. Does that mean that more hf operators break the rules, probably not, but like yourself I only included what supports my argument. This is called selective inclusion, yes they are facts but they do not prove anything by themselves.
On a separate matter, the assertion that it is not a predjudice, it is a rationale, you cant have it both ways bobbie boy, your posts on pro code threads indicate extreme predjudice, you do not respect others "rationale" to choose their own operating mode, class, frequencies etc. So, great big fat raspberries to you.
http://dallas.hard-core-dx.com/archive/1998/msg02716.html

EDEN PRAIRIE, MN: The FCC sent a Warning Notice November 2, 1999, to General licensee Darrell E. Berg, N0KED, citing evidence that the licensee had been "deliberately and maliciously interfering with the radio operations of other licensed Amateurs on 3.950 MHz." The alleged interference "has occurred at various times in the last
several months and includes broadcasting and unidentified
transmissions," said the letter from Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement Riley Hollingsworth. Hollingsworth warned that continued operation of the type described could result in a fine or license revocation proceeding, and he requested that the licensee contact him to discuss the allegations.

Warning Notice
Dear Mr. Rich:
Information before the Commission indicates that on September 17, 2003, you
operated on 7.116 MHz, a frequency not authorized to Technician class
operators.
Such operation reflects adversely on your qualifications to retain an Amateur
Radio license. Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended,
gives the Commission the authority to obtain information from licensees about
the operation of their station. Accordingly, you are requested to respond to
this letter within 20 days of its date submitting any information you wish to
be considered in regard to the above operation. Address your response to 1270
Fairfield Road at the letterhead address.
The information you submit will be used to determine what action to take in
this matter. Please be advised that Congress has made punishable a willfully
false or misleading reply to a letter of this type.
Additionally, please be advised that such operation my lead to revocation of
your license or a monetary forfeiture, and no renewal or upgrade application
will be considered until this matter is resolved. Please call me at
717-338-2502 if you wish to discuss this matter.

RE:
Amateur license KR4IS
Dear Mr. Polen:
Enclosed is a complaint we received about the operation of your station on
September 9, 2003, on 3.867 MHz. The complaint alleges deliberate interference
to communications that had been in progress for approximately 20 minutes.
Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, gives the
Commission the authority to obtain information from applicants and licensees
about the operation of their station. Accordingly, you are requested to review
the complaint and respond to this office within 20 days.
In an inquiry of this type we are required to notify you that a willfully false
or misleading reply constitutes a separate violation made punishable under United
States Code Title 18, Section 1001.

Dear Mr. Hening:

Information before the Commission indicates that on
September 7 and 10, 2002, and May 8 and August 7, 2003, you operated on
frequencies on 20 Meters that are not allocated to General Class operators, as
follows: 14.187 MHz on September 7, 14.217 on September 10, 14.2007 on May 8
and 14.2030 on August 7.

Such operation reflects adversely on your
qualifications to retain an Amateur Radio license. Section 308(b) of the
Communications Act of 1934, as amended, gives the Commission the authority to
obtain information from licensees about the operation of their station.
Accordingly, you are requested to respond to this letter within 20 days of its
date submitting any information you wish to be considered in regard to the
above operation. Address your response to 1270 Fairfield Road at the letterhead
address.

The information you submit will be used to determine
what action to take in this matter. Please be advised that Congress has made
punishable a willfully false or misleading reply to a letter of this type.

Additionally, please be advised that such operation
my lead to revocation of your license or a monetary forfeiture, and no renewal
or upgrade application will be considered during the pendency of this matter.
Please call me at 717-338-2502 if you wish to discuss this matter.

Dear Mr. Harper:

Please contact me as soon as possible at
717-338-2502, by e mail at rholling@fcc.gov
or provide a number where we may reach you.

We need to discuss possible enforcement issues
related to the operation of your Amateur station on 3.975 MHz.

Dear
Mr. Stinson:

On
June 20, 2003, at 0116 UTC, you operated radio-transmitting equipment on 14.210
MHz. Under your General Class Amateur
license, you are not authorized to use that frequency.

You
are cautioned that such operation could not only lead to revocation of your
license or a monetary forfeiture, but would also jeopardize any attempts to
obtain an upgraded Amateur Radio license.

You
are requested to call me at 717-338-2502 to discuss this matter.

Mr.
Ronald E. Shapiro
P. O. Box 208
Kerhonkson, NY 12446

RE: Amateur Radio license N2CQT
Dear
Mr. Shapiro:

Information
before the Commission indicates that on May 24, 2003, you deliberately
interfered with and harassed operators on 3.906 MHz. It appears that you were
operating under some type of impairment, and during the transmissions played
music, made transmissions to no one in particular and deliberately transmitted
on top of ongoing communications. These transmissions began at approximately
1http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0 A.M. local time and continued nearly an hour.

Section
308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, gives the Commission the
authority to obtain information from licensees about the operation of their
station. Accordingly you are requested to respond to this letter within 20 days
explaining the circumstances of the operation detailed above. The information
you submit will be used to determine what action to take in this matter.

Please
call me at 717-338-2502 if you have any questions about this matter.
On January 24, 2003, the Detroit Office received information that
deliberate jamming to a Canadian amateur net operation was occurring daily
on the frequency 7.055 MHz. The complaint also indicated that bearings
tentatively put the source of the jamming in the Canton, Ohio area. On
January 25, 2003, and January 26, 2003, the FCC's High Frequency Direction
Finding ("HFDF") Group observed music being played and
deliberate jamming occurring on 7.055 MHz. The long distance direction
finding bearings that the HFDF Group obtained indicated that the source of
the music and jamming was emanating from a station operating in the
Cleveland, Ohio area, near the intersection of Interstate 480 and
Interstate 77.

W6ORG

11-17-2003, 09:05 PM

Sad to hear things like this. I checked our customer data base and found that this individual - KB9DJE - bought a 1 watt ATV transmitter board from us back in June of this year. I hope it was not used to transmit or record any of his porn and that ATVers will be on the lookout and report others that use the ham bands illegally.
Tom W6ORG
P. C. Electronics (http://www.hamtv.com)

w9car

11-17-2003, 09:24 PM

HEY GANG !! #Have you noticed how the ORIGINAL subject matter in this thread has become almost invisible? Prior to my post here, there has only been ONE ham from Madison, besides myself here and now, who has jumped in here. Matt - N3IVK, hey buddy I hope all is well with you. We miss your voice on the Madison systems!

Now, to help some of you who are going to jump into the perp's corner, he has a record of this behavior going back some 4 or 5 yrs in the Milwaukee area where he is from. Brookfield is a Milwaukee suburb. We also had a problem with someone with this kind of behavior last summer. No one was ever caught, but he is being investigated for that too. The communications gang was working in the manufacturer's arena instead of the malicious interferance area. The cell tech/ham operator, Ralph, other Ralph-not me, happened to get involved this time because it was first thought the Sprint cell site in the immediate area was at fault. He checked it out and determined it was not. Then the perp began with the tones and x-rated broadcasts as he became more confident in his "hidden" location. That is where Ralph's amateur radio direction finding experience came into play and the guy was caught, red-handed. We do practice d-fing around here on an annual basis and sometimes it pays off. #This perp was aledgedly a UW student. Not so! The UW has no record of him. He is just a poor misguided soul who will be spending a lot of lonely years making Federal License plates and being some cellmate's boyfriend after answering to 16 felony counts and the FCC is not even involved yet.

OH! The Madison ham community and UW campus is invaded like this from time to time. Last time about 7 or 8 yrs ago, we had a problem child come to campus and begin his escapades on the Madison VHF ham repeaters and the local hams swung into action. He was nailed in less than a week by the massive local ham participation and for some reason he left school and Madison!! #We never saw or heard him again!

This situation though, could have ended up being a real life-threatning problem. Fortunately this guy was caught before there was any loss of life this time. The Madison Wisconsin ham community of which I have been a member of for over 45 yrs is proud of the relationship we have created with the Fire, Police, and Civil authorities in times of need. They do not look at us as amateurs when disaster strikes. We have proved our professional abilities in several storms & problems. The atmosphere you encounter on the bands when you come to Madison, WI is friendly and helpful at all times!!

73, #Ralph #K9VDD

W0LC

11-17-2003, 09:48 PM

Ralph,

Glad to see you have a strong relationship with the various authorities there in your area, as we do here also! I don't think (but I could be wrong after stepping through some of the smelly tripe on here) that anyone was implying that the police were wrong in being involved or in it's handling. We don't have the complete picture and none of us were there either.

The amateur community has had long term relationships with many local law enforcement and fire departments in many of our communities, helping in locating missing children, storm watching, etc. I think that relationship will continue as long as our amateur radio community doesn't become dysfunctional.

It is good that another amateur op helped with the DFing of this character, regardless of whether he was using his amateur gear or not. It wasn't appropriate and was illegal. It is just good that he was rounded up before an emergency occured that cost someone their life!

I use to use 2 meters way back when it was just becoming synthesized. Back then it was fun. Today, when I go mobile, I would be hard pressed to find much activity, which is one of the many reasons I haven't much use for it today. It is unfortunate that such a useful band is also becoming abused by the few, just as 75 and 20 meters have been for years. It was bound to happen I suppose!

Where I use to live, we had a local that was always jamming a repeater, a particular individual was the target, specifically. He would scratch his nails across the mike, kerchunk repeatedly, make threats, etc. Letter after letter to the FCC was written, visits from the Feds, nothing worked. He finally died. That worked!

It's sad the FCC isn't more into the enforcement activity as they once were. Seems since the 1980 era budget cuts, they never recovered and never were again as active in amateur radio enforcements.

I think this original post example proves a point that we need to perform self "policing" of our own fraternity. I am glad the ham in Wisconsin that helped decided to get "involved" and to do something. I hope that fact comes out more as time goes on!

KG4TGY

11-18-2003, 02:01 AM

You know, some of us newbies come on here reading these posts and wonder why we even bothered getting a ham license. Here or the airwaves it's the same. I can get this kind of crap on channel 19. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

ad5td

11-18-2003, 03:04 AM

You know that's right

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kf6zlb

11-18-2003, 03:58 AM

From the bottom of page 26 in the Adobe document at

www2.norwich.edu/mkabay/iyir/1998.PDF

apparently young Mr. Mitra has been in hot water before:

"1998-11-06
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
http://www.jsonline.com/archive....kerinco (http://www.jsonline.com/archive/oct98/news/wauk/981031brookfieldhackerinco)

"Rajib Mitra, 20, was convicted of hacking into the University of Iowa's systems while on probation for having hacked into the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee in 1996. A news report by Lisa Sink of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that '. . . Mitra gained access to others' computer accounts, created an illegal account with full administrative authorities and altered records to cover up his security breaches. . . . To enter the off-limit areas, Mitra tapped into his parents' Internet account at their Brookfield home and used it as a conduit to access Iowa's system, prosecutors said.' Mr Mitra pleaded no contest to the charges. According to Sink's report, at his hearing, Mitra showed little sign of contrition: 'He did not apologize for his crimes and said very little in court.' His parents immediately paid his $1,000 fine."

KD7SYD

11-18-2003, 05:44 AM

For those that think that the female roomate of this criminal was treated unfairly, consider the severity of what was done. Interfering with public service emergency communications is gambling with people's lives! This is not someone saying four-letter words over their radio every now and then. Until the officials had a clear and complete understanding of who was involved and who was not, I would have thought that everyone in that building would have been a suspect.

Granted, a person who is a "suspect" and has no knowledge of that's going on is truly scared and confused. There is no way around this if an investigation is to be successful, and the guilty person successfully prosecuted. Let's be glad that this person was caught, that other innocents that knew/lived with him were cleared, and the problem is over. Someone could have died due to this communication sabotage. I am really suprised that someone has not termed this "domestic terrorism", as many attacks on government functions are called. May Rajib Mitra spend some quality time in a small cell with his new boyfriend, Bubba...

KG4FET

11-18-2003, 12:24 PM

The most disturbing part of all of this was the fact that they did not catch this guy when the police comms system was down for 20 minutes. Here in Jacksonville, FL. the city knew who to call as soon as something like this occured and got people out and DF'ing the signal. The people handling the DF were for the most part Hams and fixed stations and mobiles cooperated in the "hunt."
Needless to say most if not all of the people causing the interference were caught.
Sandor KG4FET

W0LC

11-18-2003, 12:40 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4FET @ Nov. 18 2003,05:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The most disturbing part of all of this was the fact that they did not catch this guy when the police comms system was down for 20 minutes. #Here in Jacksonville, FL. the city knew who to call as soon as something like this occured and got people out and DF'ing the signal. The people handling the DF were for the most part Hams and fixed stations and mobiles cooperated in the "hunt."
Needless to say most if not all of the people causing the interference were caught.
Sandor KG4FET[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sandor,

It is hard to interpret from the article, brief as it may be, how long the DFing activity took to catch the character. Even the Feds sometimes have problems locating a source when it is off and on. I assume the interference was sporadic and intermittent. That makes it harder to get a 'fix' on its location.

I am just glad the busted the lid, ham or no ham and that no one's life was endangered because of his stupid activity!

Unfortunately, we have all kinds in this hobby too!

Slingblade

11-18-2003, 03:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0ebm @ Nov. 16 2003,09:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm just glad that amateurs were involved in DFing and eventually fingering this PERP. #I think its time for amateur radio to clean up its own back door. #When a LID brings dishonor to the service by using his privileges to violate the law, it should be amateurs who help law enforcement bring him to justice and restore honor to the service.

KUDOS to all hams who carry the burden of enforcement.

KCØEBM[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
sounds funny coming from a known 75 meter QRM'er.

kg4kkn

11-18-2003, 03:16 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wc5rr @ Nov. 17 2003,08:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Have to wonder why all this stuff happens on 2 meters?

Probably one of the many reasons I don't use it either![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, none of this is happening in two meters. Two meters is a ham band, not a public safety band. If you are finding police agencies operating dispatch on the ham bands, they'd better have a darn good reason.

So the correct question is, why does this always happen near two meters? To quote Jesse James, because that's where the money is. Two meters and 70cm -and it happens there too, not just on 2m- happen to be adjacent to some of the main public safety bands. Thus, those PS bands (and commerical, private, GMRS, etc) suffer intrusions.

It has everything to do with easily modified ham radios and operators with less than pure morals and nothing to do with the wavelength in question. No doubt, police agencies on HF would suffer the same problems. This problem will largely go away on it's own as public safety agencies migrate away from the ham bands, and/or start using encryption and other things. Of course, the money for that comes out of your taxes. Pay up, sucker! (That's a quote from the other Jesse James.)

KF7CG

11-18-2003, 04:13 PM

Just to play Devil's Advocate for the fellow that was accused of interfering with the emergency net in Anne Arundel County. Take a look at the two frequencies mentioned in the reply. One repeater was 910 khz from the other repeater! This is a "magic" frequency difference for inexpensive equipment. Many of the less expensize FM units use 455 khz as a final intermediate frequency and therefore are readily susceptible to image interferance from signals that are 910 khz above or below the tuned frequency (the direction of the difference is dependent on which beat frequency is used in the receiveer design).

If you were handling emergency traffic to a net on one repeater and inadvertently getting into another repeater things could sound very strange. Don't know the facts, but just a very plausible theory to add to the mix.

In this day of crowded VHF frequencies and multiple repeaters in different closely space services sharing the same sites, intermod can either make good operators sound bad or give cover to LIDS or do both.

ke4pjw

11-18-2003, 05:42 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kkn @ Nov. 17 2003,09:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It has everything to do with easily modified ham radios and operators with less than pure morals and nothing to do with the wavelength in question. No doubt, police agencies on HF would suffer the same problems. This problem will largely go away on it's own as public safety agencies migrate away from the ham bands, and/or start using encryption and other things. Of course, the money for that comes out of your taxes. Pay up, sucker! (That's a quote from the other Jesse James.)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Um, THIS case was in the 800 Mhz band, not the bands adjacent to the 2 meter and 70cm ham bands.

Do you guys not realize how easy it is to program some commercial radios for the public safety bands? They need no modification to go into these bands and cost little money. Much less than what you would pay for a new ham rig. Just look for an old Regency or Wilson at the next ham fest. $15 later, you have a front panel programmable VHF or UHF public safety rig. Type accepted and everything.

It has nothing to do with the rig and everything to do with people's behavior.

11-18-2003, 06:28 PM

Wow! This guy even took the time to learn the code.
I cant believe nobody jumped on that bandwagon yet!
It's too bad we hams are always so divided on almost
all issues. "Can't we all just get along" -Rodney King

KG4RYT

11-18-2003, 07:40 PM

It is sad when a Ham #turns bad this close to Thanksgiving http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

WA9SVD

11-18-2003, 10:46 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4TGY @ Nov. 17 2003,19:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, some of us newbies come on here reading these posts and wonder why we even bothered getting a ham license. Here or the airwaves it's the same. #I can get this kind of crap on channel 19. ???[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, you (and any newbies) should consider the other side of this situation.
Other Amateurs helped track down one of the very few "bad apples" that was operating illegally and interfering with Public Service communications.

It should be (both) an inspiration (and a warning) that the majority of Amateur Operators are law-abiding, and do not condone or tolerate such illegal activity; and that the Amateur Radio Community WILL actively help in identifying anyone who DOES perform such illegal acts.

kg4kkn

11-19-2003, 01:46 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ke4pjw @ Nov. 18 2003,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Um, THIS case was in the 800 Mhz band, not the bands adjacent to the 2 meter and 70cm ham bands.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
His comment was, why does this -which I took to mean interference- this always happen on the 2m band.

Apparently the 2m band itself is somehow to blame for how people misbehave everywhere on the dial. I don't see the connection myself.

KG4TGY

11-19-2003, 02:48 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wa9svd @ Nov. 18 2003,18:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4TGY @ Nov. 17 2003,19http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif1)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, some of us newbies come on here reading these posts and wonder why we even bothered getting a ham license. Here or the airwaves it's the same. #I can get this kind of crap on channel 19. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, you (and any newbies) should consider the other side of this situation.
# # Other Amateurs helped #track down one of the very few #"bad apples" #that was operating illegally and interfering with Public Service communications.

#It should be (both) an inspiration (and a warning) that the majority of Amateur Operators are law-abiding, and do not condone or tolerate such illegal activity; and that the Amateur Radio Community #WILL actively help in identifying anyone who DOES perform such illegal acts.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Let me clarify. I am glad to hear they arrested the idiot. I am also glad to hear that hams helped to do so.
I was refering to the bickering in most all of the posts here and the same that goes on over the airwaves. I understand that people are not going to agree on alot of subjects. I also understand that there are ways of discussing differences without "flaming" (for lack of a better word) one another.
Maybe it's my fault. I always held ham radio operators up to a higher standard than I did all the CB'ers out there. That was what I was taught when I was young anyway.
That's why I'm a bit dissapointed.

K5YY

11-19-2003, 03:27 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif To the ham who thought he will get a "hand slap", this was a FELONY and I doubt he will go free, perhaps 3 months local jail and probation at a minimum
...

To the ham who feels this will stimulate others to do the same act ... if they are stupid enough , knowing that they will ultimately get caught, then let 'em be one of those idiots out there who does not value friends and family and prefers to flirt with a jail cell. This article in the newspaper notified a lot more people than the space on this website did. I am glad it was posted.

Sorry the intruder is a ham and wish there was a way to do such from getting a license. But, remember, it does NOT take a ham to do this, since any ill-hearted human can get transmitters anywhere and do the same thing. Just takes a nut with nothing but a lot of free time on his hands and a sicko mind... He needs psychiatric help for sure!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

W0LC

11-19-2003, 04:25 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4kkn @ Nov. 18 2003,18:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ke4pjw @ Nov. 18 2003,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Um, THIS case was in the 800 Mhz band, not the bands adjacent to the 2 meter and 70cm ham bands.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
His comment was, why does this -which I took to mean interference- this always happen on the 2m band. #

Apparently the 2m band itself is somehow to blame for how people misbehave everywhere on the dial. #I don't see the connection myself.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
KKN:
Um, that was my typo. I knew it was 800 mhz, but I was typing faster then my mind was thinkgin!

But to answer your attempt to be snide, I don't attribute anything that goes on across the dial with 2 meters and I don't see any connection or attempt thereof.

There are however, multiple, numerous, etc., individuals in trouble with the Feds on 2 meters. There are also some on 75 and 20 meters, but not to the extent I have seen published.

For what that is worth. It isn't implying anything other then we have nuts across the entire spectrum. A few reside on the internet at times also! Hi.

Hope this helps.

k4kyv

11-20-2003, 12:51 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8CRM @ Nov. 16 2003,14:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let me see if I have this right! Now, from all the comments that I have read, if I don't aggree with everything the government does, I'm supposed to leave the country.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Good luck in trying to leave the country. #Regardless of your motive, you will have an extremely hard time finding any country in the world that will let you stay beyond a few weeks on a tourist visa. #It has become virtually impossibe for U.S. citizens to emmigrate even to friendly countries like Canada and the UK.

kd5sdi

11-20-2003, 12:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k4kyv @ Nov. 19 2003,20:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8CRM @ Nov. 16 2003,14:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let me see if I have this right! Now, from all the comments that I have read, if I don't aggree with everything the government does, I'm supposed to leave the country.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Good luck in trying to leave the country. #Regardless of your motive, you will have an extremely hard time finding any country in the world that will let you stay beyond a few weeks on a tourist visa. #It has become virtually impossibe for U.S. citizens to emmigrate even to friendly countries like Canada and the UK.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, funny how that works. When you collectively give the whole world the finger and do what you want.

KB9VSB

11-20-2003, 02:28 PM

At The risk of being accused of "Racial Profiling" . Sounds a littlebit like Terrorism to me.

WA9SVD

11-20-2003, 02:47 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka1kjz @ Nov. 16 2003,06:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you don't like it here, LEAVE![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't want to start a flame war, but I've heard that since the 60's. And it makes the assumption that ALL government is ALWAYS right in whatever they do, and dissenters are somehow unpatriotic. If you love something, such as your country, you try to make it better, not just accept it as it is.
If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and all the country's forefathers had that attitude, the U.S. would STILL be a British colony.

ehidle

11-20-2003, 05:32 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka1kjz @ Nov. 16 2003,06:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh here we go again, yawn...

If you don't like it here, LEAVE![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You would feel quite differently if you were the one sitting in the hot seat being harassed and intimidated by your local friendly FBI agents for something you had nothing to do with.

Rome did not fall in a day, it took years of trading freedom for false security for the house of cards to come tumbling down. "Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it," remember?

This guy deserves everything he gets. His roommate deserves a written apology from Mr. Ashcroft.

11-21-2003, 01:23 AM

OK I come here to read about Ham Radio, and I get political opinions yes we have free speach but lets speak it in the right forum. Come on lets stay on track. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

nx6d

11-21-2003, 02:41 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wa9svd @ Nov. 17 2003,07:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"># #The Fremont CA situation sounds like it was a treemendous "OOPS!!!" situation, unintentional in nature, and since the Amateur responded with apologies, and apparently rectified the problem as soon as he was made aware, probably needs no further action, uinless the problem arises again.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
As a native of lovely Fremont, I can say the "oops" is living there in the first place...

WX7B

AE6IP

11-21-2003, 09:29 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WX7B @ Nov. 20 2003,19:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wa9svd @ Nov. 17 2003,07http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif8)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"># #The Fremont CA situation sounds like it was a treemendous "OOPS!!!" situation, unintentional in nature, and since the Amateur responded with apologies, and apparently rectified the problem as soon as he was made aware, probably needs no further action, uinless the problem arises again.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
As a native of lovely Fremont, I can say the "oops" is living there in the first place...

WX7B[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
bah. Fremont's nice, compared to Milpitas. I know. I spent 10 years living there. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

marty

n9ovr

11-22-2003, 09:33 PM

There are alot of messed up people these days that like to make life hard for others. We have the same problem with someome Jamming Police and fire among other stuff we have been trying to track this person or persons. I live up north of madison in the city of Wausau. Wisconsin.

N3IVK

11-23-2003, 10:24 PM

Here's an update....

Looks like the 16 Felony counts are now 2 Federal Charges. #
Here's the URL from the CAPITOL TIMES in Madison...

http://www.madison.com/captimes/news/stories/61835.php

I'm not too worried about the locals and the feds battling it out over who gets credit, but it does confirm he's getting some federal charges.

Matt N3IVK

WA9SVD

11-24-2003, 03:32 AM

Maybe after he serves his time on the local and Federal charges, he should be turned over to Hams.
Then again, maybe not. Cruel and unusual punishment (even if deserved) is not legal. But I've always wanted to see a "Rettysnitch" in action!
All seriousness aside, I DO hope he gets appropriate punishment, and some sort of psychiatric counselling.

kc8www

11-24-2003, 04:09 PM

Maybe its just me but this didnt give ham radio a bad name. The media or anyone who says he's a ham operator did. He wasnt acting as a ham when he did this. anyone could do that, not just a ham. Thats like saying that anyone that robs a bank gave his or her profession a bad name. A crime is a crime regardless of who commits it.

AB8RU

11-25-2003, 03:08 AM

Say people first it is 2 Meters, now It's 800 Mhz. and the Press has everything so messed up next week it probably wind up on the 49 Mhz. Cordless band http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

as to Looney Toon here's a test site Looney Toon Test (http://www.gotjokes.net/tests/looney_toon_pt.php3)

anyway now it's up to the courts to convict this guy or his lawyers get him off the hook, and lets not forget it's the Jury if there is one or the Judge ( he'd hang himself for not having a Jury ) would decide based on Evidence alone.

Look at Kevin Mitnick, came out with War Games the Movie and wound up in prison for so long after the Computer world sprang him, lets see how long before this gets to that point , another movie ? a book ? stay tuned folks as we see where Slow loading snail paced web pages vs. that hairspray the journalist used for 10 years.

Well its a case of study that has interest alright. as to sweet poly I betcha she will probably dump him to save her reputation unless she likes him for his bank account.

will the FCC have to decide to terminate his license thru a Notice of Apparent Libility proceedings, or will that slip thru the cracks unnoticed?

Sheesh sounds like a oldie TV show. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

kd7jnr

11-28-2003, 04:36 PM

Since the whole situation has denegrated into commentary on politics I would like to point something out. I have lived in third world countries and traveled there after from time to time. Even with the new security measures some out there have no clue of what it really means to live in a police state. Both of them would have been shot on the spot in cmany plaecs. Get real people and get your heads out of the liberal muck. Life stinks. Get used to it.

AD5IN

11-29-2003, 06:41 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W6ORG @ Nov. 17 2003,14:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sad to hear things like this. #I checked our customer data base and found that this individual - KB9DJE - bought a 1 watt ATV transmitter board from us back in June of this year. #I hope it was not used to transmit or record any of his porn and that ATVers will be on the lookout and report others that use the ham bands illegally.
Tom W6ORG
P. C. Electronics (http://www.hamtv.com)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
"Sad to hear things like this. I checked our customer data base and found that this individual - KB9DJE - bought a 1 watt ATV transmitter board from us back in June of this year. I hope it was not used to transmit or record any of his porn and that ATVers will be on the lookout and report others that use the ham bands illegally.
Tom W6ORG"

At least you're not an internet service provider. If you were, you would have violated your companies privacy policy. As such, I'm not going to buy from someone who broadcasts my private purchases on a public forum.

Why do you care what he transmits with his ATV board? If he's licensed, in band, and following the regs, why is it any of your business?

W2PFY

12-01-2003, 05:32 AM

Ok, but what is his call sign? I didn't see that his call from the police report. Was he really a ham. Perhaps he was a Hamboner? I connot believe everyone saying he gave ham radio a bad name. It seems to me the police gave ham radio a bad name by thinking he was a ham without doing their homework.

2e1sdx

12-01-2003, 03:52 PM

CRAZY... that is the first word that springs to mind regarding this idiot. why go to all the trouble of sitting exams to obtain a licence then through it all away with immature actions that could #put lifes at danger,this guy wants a good kick in his balls...i cannot believe a radio amateur would stoop this low and endanger lifes in emergency situations playing porn on emergency frequencys and being a complete moron..

jim,2E1SDX
England.

WA9SVD

12-02-2003, 11:47 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W2PFY @ Nov. 30 2003,22:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, but what is his call sign? #I didn't see that his call from the police report. Was he really a ham. Perhaps he was a Hamboner? I connot believe everyone saying he gave ham radio a bad name. It seems to me the police gave ham radio a bad name by thinking he was a ham without doing their homework.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The fellow apparently DOES have a call sign; read some of the previous posts.

But I'm disturbed by the post from someone at P.C. Electronics. I feel ANY purchase I (or anyone else) make with a merchant is confidential, and considered a secure and private transaction. And unless that information is subpoenaed by a court and made part of the public record, I do not expect ANY transaction, my own, or anyone else's, to be made public, regardless of any "sensationalism." To do so reprehensible and IMHO VERY unethical.

lsc104

12-08-2003, 05:38 AM

Why not eliminate the court and jury system and try every accused on qrz forum? The guy is already guilty of countless felony charges, profiled as a 45 year old arab terrorist of dubious moral character and this is early december. According to the article, all he had was a room full of computer equipment.

kb7rky

12-08-2003, 06:11 AM

It's always one person that spoils it for everyone else...though, in this case, I use the term "person" rather loosely.

Those who choose to intentionally interfere with "official" radio traffic deserve what's coming to them. Of course, he'll hire some shyster who'll put on the "it was an accident" defense and try to convince the jury he shouldn't be incarcerated.

Of course, with our laughable justice system, he'll get a slap on the wrist and told, "No no", or given community service, or some such idiotic sentence, while the police rake his lady friend over the coals. Wanna bet she'll be the one they actually stick it to?

Doug, KB7RKY

lsc104

12-08-2003, 05:16 PM

Yeah Doug. One for sure will feel the wrath of the criminal system. Cops are famous for planting fake evidence. Guns, drugs, pamplets etc. Lucking for the girl salem witch trials are out of style. She'd be burned to the stake by now for besmirching womenhood virtues.

KG4PNC

12-28-2003, 05:58 PM

[B][I] why wont they do the same to kg4leg here in tampa , he is such a disruption on the 64 repeater?

kk4ken

01-26-2004, 05:56 AM

First off, it doesn't matter if he is a ham or not, interfering with police radio traffic is illegal. #Apparently, he is a ham, so all we can do is hope that this doens't make people involved in the trial (and who happened to have been involved first-hand) think the worst about hams. #I don't think I've seen many good news articles about ham radio operators, but as soon as a ham operator does something stupid, it's out there and everyone knows it. #Public eye is always looking for negative publicity, not positive publicity. #I bet if this guy had been using his radio to operate a helpful service to his community, it would have never been published in his local newspaper and there would be no discussion about how good he is. #Why? #Because praise is never forthcoming in our hobby. #Bottom line, we are expected to operate on a certain level and that level has no ceiling, so where do you draw the line at when to give a ham credit? #And yes, I am aware that lots of hams helped during the 9/11 crisis and that was mentioned quite a lot during that time. #Well, that's one example of the public realizing where the ceiling is. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Secondly, if a company I purchase a radio from decides to post on a public board that I had bought a radio from them, so what? #Are they doing anything illegal? #I don't remember any law being passed that said they couldn't post their client information publically. #If they have a policy against that, then this person at P. C. Electronics might have stepped over the line, but I think it would depend on the *company's* policy about such things. #And you should always investigate company policy on any new company you are planning to purchase something from *before* you purchase from them. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Ken
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